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4:55Bobby Lee:Look to my right! To my right, it's an Irish Irish laughter. To my right

5:03Khalyla Kuhn:You didn't even look right He's looking right That's why he's looking And then you looked You laughed and then you looked You piece of shit dude. That's not cool dude Are you okay? I said are you okay In laughing.

5:19Bobby Lee:Watch, listen to the rest Are you okay? Honestly concerned Fuck, we said. Hands on hips, nervous.

5:35Bobby Lee:Carlos, laugh. See? See? It's all, are you okay?

5:44Khalyla Kuhn:Look at the Mexicans. Look at the...

5:51Bobby Lee:Look at the Mexican dudes laughing. Look, he's right there. I know, but you...

5:57Khalyla Kuhn:Ah! Ah!

6:01Bobby Lee:Ah! Dude, look at him laughing! Look at these Mexican guys laughing! I know, dude, but... Trump! Do your job, Trump! And get these guys! They're cracking the fuck up! No, wait! Yes, he is! Zoom at that guy! Right now!

6:16Khalyla Kuhn:Freeze!

6:17Bobby Lee:Zoom in on the other guy! Okay, from what I see... There's two of them! He ain't laughing, dawg! Yes, he is. 100%, he's laughing. Yes, he was. Everybody saw it. Oh, go back to the fall though. Oh my fucking God, dude.

6:29Khalyla Kuhn:Here, we have this different angle.

6:35Khalyla Kuhn:This is what?

6:38Bobby Lee:Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Are you okay? That's the first thing you hear. No, I can't feel my fucking finger. Well, I asked, are you okay? I'm the first one.

6:49Khalyla Kuhn:Are you okay in a laughing hyena style? Laugh, dude. Rewind the laughter. Three are you okays.

6:55Bobby Lee:Get the audio up, dude. So many are you okays. Shut the fuck up, dude.

7:00Khalyla Kuhn:Dude, you're a piece of shit. So many are you okays. You're not a friend of mine. You okay, Bob? Volume.

7:05Bobby Lee:See? Are you okay, Bob? We're concerned. Go right to that fall again. All right, everybody, don't laugh. Don't laugh. When the fall happens, do not laugh.

7:15Khalyla Kuhn:If you smile, I will literally... No, put your shirt down. Any of you, you guys smile. I'm... Dude, I'm gonna leave Dude, if you guys laugh You're gonna go You're gonna get deep shit No more, I'm not even fucking kidding

7:36Bobby Lee:Hold on Play the video and if anybody in the fucking booth laughs

7:42Khalyla Kuhn:You're fired Any enthusiasm You can't cover your mouth Nothing Show your face you cowards Alright, go

7:51Bobby Lee:Oh my god. Oh my god

8:00Bobby Lee:Carlos you're fired See look and I'm concerned are you okay five are you okay? Why are you crying because I'm sad you got hurt

8:15Bobby Lee:One more for the other angle you okay hold on I have a third, there's a third angle. Hold on, play this out.

8:20Khalyla Kuhn:Yeah.

8:23Bobby Lee:Oh my God. See, fancy smiling. Yeah. I need, um.

8:27Khalyla Kuhn:Party, dude. No, these guys are laughing.

8:30Bobby Lee:The Mexicans, dude. What did you do, man?

8:32Khalyla Kuhn:Did you break your wrist? I think I did. I'm sorry, dude.

8:38Dude,

8:40Khalyla Kuhn:you literally aren't a friend of mine. It's so sad. It's so fucking sad. Those guys are laughing and it made me laugh. No, dude. You laughed at impact.

8:48Bobby Lee:That's not true. We just watched it again. I didn't crack a smile. Watch the first one again. Watch the first one and I won't laugh. Okay. Watch.

8:55Khalyla Kuhn:Listen to it right when I fall. You're the one. You're the fucking dick.

9:01Bobby Lee:Pause. Pause it. Jump over the curb. Start it over. McCone yells. It doesn't matter. Jump over the curb and I go, yeah, jump over the curb. I repeat what you said. That is true. Jump inside the volcano. Yeah, jump inside the volcano. It's the same fucking thing, dude. I thought it'd be cool if you jumped over the volcano. You went in. Okay, go ahead. You didn't even get near the volcano. See, he just said jump over the yellow one. Jump over the yellow one. Jump over.

9:29Jump over. Jump over. Jump over. Jump over. Jump over. Jump over. Jump over. Jump over.

9:36Bobby Lee:Fuck you, man. Stop it. Sit down. Please sit. Dude. Let's move forward. That's insane. Look, we all learned a lesson. no more gifts this was this was retaliation if I'm being honest from how much my heart hurt when I bought you those Arsenal shoes and you didn't like them that's kind of what this was oh really and I knew that you'd fall on these and I bought them knowing you'd fall

10:00Khalyla Kuhn:yeah one Christmas I bought probably four or five thousand dollars worth of gifts to you and yours is worth what three four hundred dollars we can get into it

10:07Bobby Lee:I've gotten I've given you more gifts consistently than you've ever given me I do it in chunks

10:11Khalyla Kuhn:in big chunks

10:12Bobby Lee:you do it once You did it one time.

10:14Khalyla Kuhn:Oh, my God. I'm sorry that you feel bad.

10:16Bobby Lee:You need to put ice on your hand again, though.

10:17Khalyla Kuhn:Yeah.

10:18Bobby Lee:You just ice it.

10:19Khalyla Kuhn:Oh, my God. That was terrible, dude.

10:21Bobby Lee:Anyway. That's not what it's like when you go to the roller rink. No. It's way more smooth. It's smooth. It's not bumpy. Well, chiseled concrete is not the move.

10:31Khalyla Kuhn:I was doing some moves out there even, too. It looked good. Yeah, I was slicing it out and everything, too. And then the middle part of the thing I can handle. But when it got bumpy and when I heard the little weasel go, jump on the curb jump over the red yellow thing bud that was him yeah jump over the yellow thing buddy yeah he was in he was instigating you weren't even attempting to jump you just fell in the middle yeah i'm not a fucking professional rollerblader dude not anymore so i think even me saying that is ultimately irrelevant because you didn't even you didn't hurt yourself jumping over the yellow thing you just couldn't even get over the middle of the street oh my god don't please

11:06Bobby Lee:Please don't.

11:06Khalyla Kuhn:Oh my God. We're done. We're done.

11:09Bobby Lee:No, no, no, please. Oh my God. Shit. I'm this close.

11:19Khalyla Kuhn:I'm going to throw a fucking pipe in there. Okay. You're fucking at it.

11:23Bobby Lee:You know, I got to tell you something. Yeah. Can I tell you something why I love you so much? Shut up. I was having a real, real bad day. Fuck off. Okay. Do you want me to level with you for real? My dad had a heart attack last night. Jesus. And he's in the hospital. So I was having a crazy day. Which one? What do you mean which one?

11:39Khalyla Kuhn:Stepdad or real dad?

11:40Bobby Lee:My real father. Okay. What is that? You laugh now? The one that abandoned you? And see, you laugh? Yeah, yeah. The reason that you laugh - Say it again. The reason you laugh - Say it again. Is why I laugh when you fall on rollerblades. Yeah, say it again.

11:59Bobby Lee:My father had a heart attack last night. Hey, you think it's funny? See? Now, are we even now? Now we're even.

12:06Khalyla Kuhn:Oh, is he okay?

12:07Bobby Lee:He is okay, yeah. Really think he'll be okay, though? We'll find out. All right, sorry. No, it's okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's why I laugh at you when you fall. Yeah, a little different. Because you're actually a bad person. No, you're a terrible human being. Like, you're genuinely a bad person. You're a terrible human being.

12:20Khalyla Kuhn:Well, you'll be hearing from somebody.

12:21Bobby Lee:Whom? Whom? Your assistant can't even answer your text.

12:24Khalyla Kuhn:What, are you going to go get a fucking lawyer? My sister, so Andrew texts my assistant on Monday. She doesn't reply until Friday.

12:31Bobby Lee:That's right, one week.

12:33Khalyla Kuhn:I go, hey, what's Bobby's schedule? She has a shit, he has a shit storm. You know what I mean? Enrage, right? To whom? About my assistant. I didn't say anything bad to her. I just go, don't worry about it. No, you said great assistant. To when I called you. Five days. Yeah, five days. Right? And I called my - Five days? Yeah, yeah. I called my assistant. I go, great job. Continue the work, my friend.

12:55Bobby Lee:And then she texted me and was like, I'm so sorry. I'll never do this thing. She went camping. Yeah, and I - She can't go camping? Brother, she's been camping. Oh, is it another fucking weight joke? What? I don't even know what she looks like. I've never seen her in my life. You body shaming. You know what's interesting? I've never seen what she looks like. And here Bobby is saying how he feels. So you're projecting. No. Oh, interesting. Really? I've never met this human in my life. I don't even know who it is. It's an apparition. As far as I'm concerned. You've never met Melanie, my assistant.

13:25Bobby Lee:When would I have ever met fucking Melanie? Well, then take that out. Oh, fuck you. No, that at least stays in. You feel that way. Yeah, you do. You body shame people. Never seen her in my life. Don't even know. By the way, as far as I'm concerned, she's chat TPT. I don't even know if she's fucking real. I've never even known this human to be real. Also, fat people don't go camping. Bam. Oh, my God. Bam, dude. This guy's shooting the fat gun. Dude, put away your fat gun, dude. You asked me for restaurant recommendations.

13:57Khalyla Kuhn:Oh, my God. Did I send you to a good spot? We can't go for negative to positive that quick. That's the best part of the show. No, no, no, no. I don't like it. The part of the show is - I can't change my food that quickly.

14:07Bobby Lee:You fall. You make fun of my dad that has a heart attack. No, no. He's in the hospital right now. You capped like a little child at a playground. Were you okay? Are you okay from the fall? Is your daddy going to die? Maybe. Maybe. Huge difference between the two. You falling in the parking lot. He abandoned you. Yeah, and you fell, you little fat jelly roll.

14:26Khalyla Kuhn:Yeah, I got, now, how is it that he's more mad than me? No, no, I'm not mad. If you shoot at me, I'm going to shoot back.

14:32Bobby Lee:You shot at me first! How? You were gackling when I was falling. It's hilarious. It's hilarious. When a short little fat guy falls on rollerblades.

14:42Khalyla Kuhn:Let's see if it's funny.

14:43Bobby Lee:Huh?

14:43Khalyla Kuhn:You want to watch it again and see if it's funny? No!

14:46Bobby Lee:See what I mean, dude? Dude, it's funny! All right. It's fucking, this is inherently funny.

14:52Khalyla Kuhn:Yeah, yeah. That's good, that's good, that's good.

14:58Bobby Lee:Oh no! Oh no! Oh no! I fall. I fall. I fall on the ground. I go for the yarrow thing. I fall on the ground.

15:16Bobby Lee:Laugh into the mic so we know you're laughing. Will you cut it out? Having a blast. Man, okay. And a beautiful sunny day, no less.

15:25Khalyla Kuhn:Yeah, yeah, yeah. In front of my two favorite Mexicans. Embarrassing. All right, jump to something fun. Imagine if they were like a group of like hot chicks. I mean, come on. That would have been so sad for me.

15:37Bobby Lee:No, no. See, I disagree. Hot chicks would have found it endearing that we were having fun with it. And they would have been like, are you okay? Are you okay?

15:44Khalyla Kuhn:No, they'd be like, are you okay? No, it's not high school. That's why. That's high school. What? They would have got the ick. They would have got the ick for sure. If they were, if they were. A guy with no balance. People want balance. How about this? That's what they look for, a job, you know what I mean? Security, balance. Look up traits that women love in men. Balance is not on there. Yeah, balance is on there, dude.

16:04Bobby Lee:No, it's not. Traits that women love in men. Ready? Confidence, kindness, intelligence, balance. Oh, my God, it is. It's the fourth one. Yeah, yeah. Sense of humor. Sense of humor.

16:13Khalyla Kuhn:See? You fell, we laughed. I know, but not that. It would give, right? Carlos backed me up, but ick. Ick. Yeah, it's totally ick. If they're, okay. A producer, ick. Not get a job. How about this? Ick if they're, ick. You know what I mean? He's gotta run across the field with a fucking M16.

16:29Bobby Lee:You know what the producers of karate ghosts, they'd be like, we gotta put this guy in the movie again. Look, you mid air, you did a kick. You did a karate kick. I did a kick, dude. My legs, both my legs kicked out. Do women find it important for men to have balance? Do women find it important for men to have balance? We'll find out. Oh, fuck. There's a rock in there. Oh, there's a piece of skin. Yeah, you want some? No, thank you. Yeah, I'm gonna put it on your body. All right, and I'll punch you. Why? I don't want your skin. Yeah, put my skin on your body, dude. I don't want it. That makes, that's blood brother.

16:58Bobby Lee:Look, generally women find it important for men to have a healthy work-life balance. And you do. Work and life. Work and life out there.

17:05Khalyla Kuhn:Oh, my God.

17:06Bobby Lee:You have a band-aid or no? I doubt this place has a band-aid. Okay. I don't even know if we, we don't have like proper anything here. Okay. You know, someone else said that. Who walked in the studio and goes, this is how you guys operate? Yeah. This place is a joke. It's a joke. Yeah.

17:19Khalyla Kuhn:People go, oh, congratulations. You know, you got a great podcast. and I'm like we work in a dump. We work in a dump. In an alleyway. But don't you like it? Isn't this good? It's the way it is. I would rather this than the other thing. It's like Sesame Street. Like we went down Sesame Street. Right? And then there was like a door there. What's up?

17:39Bobby Lee:He's got paper towels. Please. Do you want some? Get him some Purell. Purell is alcohol. It's going to hurt. But you got it. Oh my God. You have to clean the cut. Oh, you do it. I'm going to close my eyes. Fuck. Give it to me. Do you have a tetanus? When was the last time you got a tetanus shot?

17:56Khalyla Kuhn:I've never gotten one.

17:58Bobby Lee:Oh, shit. Okay. Ah! Sorry, sorry, sorry. Yeah, but you have to. You have to clean it. Ah, sorry. Punch him. Take it out on McCone. Take it out on McCone. Anyway, let's go to positive. Let's go to positive. You called me up. You said, I need a good breakfast restaurant. I suggested it. It was called Miracle Bakery. Yep in Burbank

18:24Khalyla Kuhn:So I was with somebody I'm seeing And we were in Burbank And we were shopping I bought a 2012 Godzilla statue Shut up how big It was like this big Wait is it at your house now Yeah I also got a Master Blaster statue Dude where did you go shopping It's called It's called Blast from the Past

18:45Bobby Lee:Oh in downtown

18:46Khalyla Kuhn:Yeah I know exactly where it is Yeah yeah I got a Master Blaster And then I got a Transformer Old Transformer and then I got a bunch of stickers and whatnot. Hot. And then I got that.

18:57Bobby Lee:Whoa.

18:58Khalyla Kuhn:And then my date was like, she was like, I want something breakfast-y. I go, I don't know anything around here. Let's just get tacos. I want breakfast-y. Yeah, you got to do what they want. When they want breakfast-y, you got to give it to them. I called Andrew, and he brought me to a place that was really good.

19:15Bobby Lee:And I'm going to be honest. Let me be honest. When you ask me about a spot, don't I deliver? Typically, I said -

19:21Khalyla Kuhn:That's the thing about you. that's why I call you I know I love you especially in the Burbank area because you used to live in that area love Burbank that I know that you know the spots there I think you know globally like if I'm in if I'm in like Indianapolis I think you know

19:33Bobby Lee:I got you

19:33Khalyla Kuhn:yeah you got me anywhere in the cities I think you know

19:36Bobby Lee:yeah the rurals are gonna be hard for me even like even places like Taipei if you're in Taipei I can hook it up too

19:40Khalyla Kuhn:you can hook up Taipei yeah

19:41Bobby Lee:so Miracle Bakery phenomenal stuff breakfast was great go say hi

19:45Khalyla Kuhn:also they um they treated me like a king well they

19:49Bobby Lee:well you are no they were just nice to everybody. They're great people. They make phenomenal food and they cook it all there. We disagreed with the donut. What happened? Well, this is not a really... You're a donut purist. It's different. Yeah. I disagreed with the donut. But their specialty was all the other... The breakfast items are their best.

20:06Khalyla Kuhn:Yeah.

20:06Bobby Lee:What was wrong with the donut?

20:08Khalyla Kuhn:It was like a faux nut kind of a... The consistency wasn't what I was looking for. I know.

20:12Bobby Lee:It's probably a little healthier. Probably. That's why it's not good. Well, look. Healthy stuff that's supposed to be unhealthy. But everything else was excellente oh no whoa it's vacation marin it's your shorts i've never worn slippers what the

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24:41Khalyla Kuhn:Oh, okay. You go right to the throat? That's fucking cruel. And let me tell you something. That's cruel behavior. And lastly, I have to say, Peter Shore came up to me and goes, that's six minutes I've never even seen before. I know. And they're strong. He told me today I just spent four hours with him. Yeah. And did he say something about my act? He said he did new material. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then what's the slam about, guy? I thought it would roll right off you because it's not true. No, but I should do more. The outfit should be more. Dude, Aaron. He's clever. He's so good at what he does. He's shifty, dude.

25:12He is. Boy with comics, you want me to be open? I can be open. Yeah, you can fly free on this show. I feel that. I feel safe with you guys. You should. That's when I was driving over here, I thought this is going to be a supportive, safe room. Yeah.

25:23Khalyla Kuhn:Yeah. You can say whatever you want. Say whatever you want. No, I got nothing. Do you guys have a plan? we do we got a plan for the yam the question to me is why would you end I want to say something before I even say that I want to say that I feel like there's two people that are the pioneers in terms of comedy that inspired this generation to do it which is a generation below you

25:51Bobby Lee:it's you and Mario Batali his podcast is so good I think we all, we probably all owe it to Tom Green. Yeah, we do actually. I did Tom, yeah, yeah, right. Tom was first. With the video pocket. With the video, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, who, me and who else? Rogan. Okay. Who's that? Joe Rogan. Joseph Rogan? Yeah, he's out of Texas. Oh, Texas. Got it, I got it. Got it. You love Austin, don't you? He's running half the planet out of Texas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got a tight hold on the enlightened meathead. Dude, Marin's disdain. It's not disdain. It's reasonable criticism. Reasonable criticism.

26:31Bobby Lee:Yeah. When was the last time you spoke with him? I don't know. That's a good question. I guess it would have been at the store. I never talked to him in Austin. I don't go into the club. I don't really think I'm on his radar. So I don't - Something tells me you are. Oh yeah. Yeah, something tells me you are. Yeah, something tells me you are. I don't, you know, it's weird that you get lumped into a certain thing and maybe it's my assumption that his army of healthy fellas. Is that their title? Army of healthy fellas is so good. No, you just gotta stay and keep the machine. The machine's gotta be good.

27:08Khalyla Kuhn:Yeah. That's a shot at Burt, go ahead. What do you think the Austin shelf life is gonna be? Well, I don't know. I think that it's so effectively tribalized at this point. It really comes down to material. I mean, at what point, like at what point it's like whatever they represented in terms of policy and i'm it's not a stretch it's like they won trans people are frightened they have no ability to get health care anymore and and they uh they're afraid of being alive and have no freedom left so that's done when do you stop with the jokes when like immigrants okay well they're being ripped away from their homes and yeah and they're you know and they're all terrified and and okay so that's done, when do you stop with the jokes?

27:51Right. I mean, it's one thing to pick on the vulnerable and the marginalized, but I mean, they're down. I mean, like, why do you gotta keep hitting them unless you're a hack? Now there's a question.

28:06Khalyla Kuhn:Mark. Mark, wow. It comes in swinging. Yeah, swinging. No, so I don't know the last time I talked to Joe. People for a while were like, you know, why don't you go on Joe's show? And my answer to that is like, why? why right well you it doesn't service you well no i i don't need him and also it there's no there's no way for me to like what am i going to talk to him about and there's no way for me to to to to sort of not walk out of there and be like all right i guess i'll look at my phone oh fuck how long is this going to go on for you know like right but it's like martin luther king and malcolm x made me meeting at once one point don't you think let's go historical with it say it again Malcolm X and Martin Luther King meeting.

28:49Khalyla Kuhn:They met at one point. Yeah. Well, that's right. Pioneers of the civil rights movement.

28:53Bobby Lee:Which one is Malcolm X and which one's Martin Luther King? I don't really think - That's not Martin Luther? The analogy doesn't work. No, no. He's so bad analogies. Let him keep going with this. It's going to get funnier as it goes on.

29:04Khalyla Kuhn:Okay. Let me go with more analogies.

29:06Bobby Lee:He's like, this is if Hitler's and Goebbels had to hang out off the work site. One of those is right. Yeah.

29:15Yeah, I think you got half that analogy. Thank you, dude. Why could you just once support me? You know what I mean? With an analogy. Shut up. But that was just wrong. It brought race into it in a very profound way. Yeah. And I would. Mine was angled and funny and distant. It went somewhere else. Yeah, I think on one side of that, there's a guy that's aggressively fighting for the civil rights of victimized white people. God knows they've had it hard enough long a time. For a long enough time. But has Joe asked you? No. Oh. Here's a better angle.

29:46Bobby Lee:Adam used to go like, hey, what? And I'm like, no, why? Well, because it's interesting being someone like us on the outside of it and watching you guys. Oh, you got one foot in, baby. Well, yeah, it's right up your ass. Yeah, that's the other foot. I think what it is for me is I would love to see you guys chat, but I'd love to see you guys chat in neither of your arenas. It would be the only way it'd be legit. Because if you have to go to his show, not gonna work.

30:09Khalyla Kuhn:Very good.

30:09Bobby Lee:He has to go to your house, not gonna work. You guys would have to do this thing. It's like setting up a mob meeting here. Yeah. No, seriously. They should do it here. Moderated mob. You should do it here at Bad Friends. They should do it here. It would piss both of them off so fucking much. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at the art behind them. I know. It would just be of us behind them. This would be good neutral ground. But you do have to understand something. I have known Joe since he started. Yeah. I mean, literally since he first set foot on stage. In Boston. I was there. In Boston. Yeah. Yeah.

30:37And I remember my initial issues where there was another guy. Kevin Flynn, who was out of the game, and he was like a soccer jock. And at that time, Joe was like a regional kickboxing champion. And my initial reaction was like, what are these guys doing here? This isn't for them. All right. It's like Louis once said to me years ago when Jay Moore started in New York when he was like 17. He's like, it's not for them. It's not for the good looking guys. It's not for the jocks. This is for us rejects, us guys who don't fit in. That's what comedy was.

31:13Bobby Lee:By the way, was Jay Moore that good looking? Am I crazy? He was cute back then. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Okay, but let's be honest. Let's go back to the truth tree then. Marc Maron is a good looking guy. Not always. I'm a little sweaty.

31:24Khalyla Kuhn:You're a good, dude, why are you getting TV shows every fucking second, man?

31:28Bobby Lee:And we'll get to that. Not for my looks. We'll get to that in a second.

31:29Khalyla Kuhn:It is, this company, your face, I've seen you on screen. No, he's a handsome guy, it's annoying. You have great angles on your face. When you were young. Now.

31:37Bobby Lee:Yes, you're right, you matured. When you were young, you were hideous. You were a hideous man to look at. I was sweaty and bloated and long hair. But getting back to Joe, look, I imagine - All right. Sex machine, dude. That was okay. Ladies, who's that? That's a hot - But look, I really couldn't land on a look, could I? Yeah. God, you really rotated. Now go to the Comedy Central photo down below. Yeah. Awful. Awful. Awful. That was a bad night. Awful. I mean, this is what anti-Semites dream of. That's not quite a full Jew. I would say full G Look at the one of me And Sam Kennison That is me At my drugged out Fucking best Wow

32:17Khalyla Kuhn:What a legendary photo That's such a good photo What a crazy I was out of my mind I know Out of my mind Everything had a reason Was that at Crest Hill? Did you live in Crest Hill? Yeah I did That was in the back lot Yeah Wait hold on Was that Fitz Was that you and a young Fitz Yeah yeah That was in Boston Me and Fitz Look at that dude

32:34Bobby Lee:Oh my god dude I've never seen this photo Look at how jacked Fitz looks Wow And then up there on the, where's that one of me and Dave Cross in the red shirt? Dave Cross, it was probably in the mid nineties. Yeah. Hey. Oh my God. Yeah. Wow. But that night for the Comedy Central, the first half hours, I was, I fucked it, man. It was so sad, dude, because I got out here. I wasn't living out here and I was still doing Coke then, right? And I had one guy who would get me the blow here, right? And it was, you remember Bob Baker? Oh yeah. Sure. Bob Baker. Bob Baker did. I couldn't trust Chewy, but Baker had other connections.

33:13Chewy had other connections.

33:14Khalyla Kuhn:House of Blues, you can get in there for free. Yeah, but I don't know what happened to Baker, but he wasn't a dealer, but he was here, and I would say, I'm coming out, try to get some. So I was really dead set on trying to keep clean before that special, and I thought I did, because I was like, I'll just do a little the night before, but I'll stop at like six at night. you know and but needless to say i didn't sleep much and i tanked i didn't tank but it was not good it was the same that was like the same night that that hedberg whether it was that night or the night after did the special that made him yeah but he didn't do well either but he was him i was at that special yeah that was at the ivy yeah on he bombed so bad well yeah he talks about it in the special right doesn't he talk about at one point and comes out again it was weird but it took on mythic proportions that special yeah yeah really was what put him on the map but that was the same bunch of taping so i was kind of sweaty i did okay i really didn't have my voice in totally i was still kind of bitter but the saddest thing about this is like you know after you do a set like that you want to go into a room full of friends and like and they had food there too and and i'm like all right i finished the set and i walk into where the food is no one's in there but baker and he's going, they got roast beef.

34:33And I'm like, wow.

34:35Khalyla Kuhn:Wow, that's the victory party. So what years were you a doorman at the store though? I got out here, I guess it was 86 and 87. Yeah. So I got out here in like the summer of 86, became head doorman and she made me head doorman. I had to get all these idiots jackets. It was a different thing there. She tried to open one in Universal City. wow like in a hotel there so it was my job to make the schedule for the door guys there was no security or anything and nobody wanted this job wow so it was me rod blackman who wasn't a comic and evolver uh mike jeselnik do you remember that guy no he was he became a he was a lawyer he's in cleveland uh you know um jay pope was another guy i can't believe i'm remembering these names but like you know she was like man you gotta get him jackets and i'm like i gotta get jacket so I'm down in fucking Chinatown trying to find black blazers for these idiots and uh yeah and then like I was living in Culver City with Steve Brill and then they they kicked me out of the the apartment uh because like Pete Berg you know the director yeah Steve Brill is also director I went to college with Steve and we were best friends we actually started doing comedy together but he's killing it now he does all right yeah yeah like he does he did a few Sandler movies he did Sandler's last special but Berg is definitely killing it definitely he's got a real he was your college roommate wow no Steve Brill was my good friend in college so Brill lived out here and there was a whole crew of them including Berg when I met Berg he was like he was running he was trying to act I took pictures of those guys and he used a picture I took of him as his headshot for years out in Culver City but him and and Brill were friends and I was living with Brill in Culver City in a building his uncle owned or his mom or something and what happened was Berg needed a place to live so all of a sudden they're like you can stay on the couch and it was so sad because i i was trying to get in and doing stand-up the way i got the job as a doorman at the store is like mitzi i was doing pa work this is a funny story like i didn't know what the fuck to do when i got out here i just wanted to be a comic and i didn't know how to get on and know anything and i when i got out here i'd showcased at the store and i showcased i don't even think it was a real showcase at the improv um and i just like didn't know what else to do there wasn't any other options and i started doing pa work and so the the first job it has a pa was on uh and i it doesn't matter yeah tell me yeah yeah we have to know it was on a shoot for it was for it was a series of videos called kid songs music videos for kids kids song kids song yeah like kids bop yeah whatever something like that yeah and this one was the circus themed one and they were shooting at the the circus vargas which was on it was not it was what do you call it when and they're not in season.

37:25Off season. Off season. So, I know, it's hard. I'm getting old. I see why you're ending the show. That's pretty good. Thank you, thank you. I'm gonna give me -

37:36Bobby Lee:Wait, wait, save it, come on, just finish the story. Give me five minutes. Don't attack me. So, it's just all these circus people, and these kids, and the director's all coked up, and it's all crazy, and I'm just a PA running around getting things, but it's like really, it's all circus people, and the kids are running around. and then after a day of shooting there were two clowns and uh and there after we we wrapped the clowns come up to me and they're like you want to get high and i'm like yeah okay yeah yeah i've never been high well that's that's the fucked up thing like we let's go to our trailer so i go to the clown trailer and they're in there and the one dude just starts rolling in joy and i go like hold on you got to take the makeup off i can't be still staring at you guys in fucking clown i can't do the clown the nose still on everything oh wow that's insane so anyway so i get another pa job for mitzi and i didn't know it i just got a job you get into this this circuit of pas and she was shooting at that time where where what is over there now where the petri is petri used to be the house of blues and before that it was a house it was it was called it was it was john barrymore's old house an old hollywood house that mitzi owned and she put a restaurant in there called barrymore's and wow for a while there no one would eat there was it good i don't know there's a full restaurant no one would fucking eat there wow well they tried to offer packages like you know dinner and the show so you all wow and then you go to the main room show but it was it was a restaurant for a little while and there were production offices underneath it and she was trying to produce the comedy store channel so she had all the guys that were working at that time doing all kinds of sketches and all kinds of shit it was this big undertaking ollie joe prater yeah probably yeah yeah i'm trying to remember who was well she was fucking danny stone at the time oh my god danny was like you know how are you all he did was like uh oh my god rodney danger fit yeah he has that kind of vibe yeah always wearing a suit and sweaty yeah

39:36Khalyla Kuhn:bug-eyed and you know but i heard jimmy schubert ate her pussy but i don't know if i can all right

39:41Bobby Lee:mark finish your story yes he diverts and it's sorry sorry yeah no no schubert will cop to that yeah yeah yeah really i think so oh that was urban myth okay no no he used to say i had a pager on my dick wow wow but um i don't want to talk out of school but i think that's public information sure It is now. So anyway, so I had auditioned for Mitzi. Yeah. And I was running around doing PA on this weird shoot. You know who was around? Charlie Burnett. Charlie Burnett. Yeah. Remember the guy from Washington Square Park? Yep. He was in DC Cab, I think. He was a comedy store regular, old street performer.

40:17And I just remember he was around, Ollie Joe was around, all of them, Jan Hart, Karen Haber, all that crew of the late 80s. Freddie Asparagus? No, he wasn't part of that. Okay. But I did some blow with Freddie once up at Crestville. All right. You know who that is? I know Freddy Asparagus yeah I've heard the name

40:33Khalyla Kuhn:Three Amigos he played the bartender

40:35Bobby Lee:you know what that scene where he's like I gotta get out of this town it's too dangerous I remember he's a good guy he died right so anyway so I know I auditioned for Mitzel all I want to be is a comic so I'm like I see her she's running around moving slowly around and her boa. Sashaying around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I go, Mitzi, I finally get a minute. I'm like, Mitzi, I'm Marc Maron. Do you remember me? I auditioned for you. She goes, oh yeah, you're funny. Go talk to Becker and be a doorman. Wow. So I went up to Mike Becker's office. Was it a big deal back then? Yeah. Wow. Because that was the entry level position.

41:21Wow. So I go meet with Becker and I said, she wants me a doorman. He's like, all right. and then he's like, can you be head doorman? I'm like, yeah, sure. And I'm fucking in Chinatown buying jackets for guys. But so that's how I got in. Wow. And what had happened where I was living. So. Crest Hill. Wait, how old were you? No, this is before I moved to Crest Hill because I was still with, they made me move to the couch. Okay. At Brill and Berg's house. But then they just started bringing parties home, bringing chicks home and they'd wake me up and Berg would be like, play some guitar. You know, I'm like, what am I doing?

41:57Why am I the bitch in this situation? Get us laid, dude. This is late 80s, right? Yeah, and I didn't know how to get an apartment because I was a moron. I was like a feral. And I'm like, I had to get out of there, so I go look at apartments, but I don't know how to look at apartments. And then an apartment opens up down the hall. Some woman needs a roommate down the hall from Berg. So I go take this apartment, and within days, I'm doing blow. She's supposedly sober. I get her fucked up on blow. and like I drank all her champagne for her party and then there was literally an intervention. Like her and her boyfriend and their friend said, you can't live here anymore.

42:33Wow. And I'm like, all right. And then Mitzi was like, you can live at Cresthill and I'm like, great. So that's when I - Who was living there at the time, Cresthill?

42:42Bobby Lee:Well, for people that don't know, Cresthill is a house that the comedy store owned and it's Mitzi Wood House. More on the hillside above the store.

42:49Khalyla Kuhn:It's right above the store. It was a great old place. At the time, what was funny because i got a really good room the room right off the kitchen had its own bathroom it was a good room and then uh crossed away todd todd lemish the todd tamayo lived upstairs tamayo and then across the hall who the hell was that well todd there was another todd the sound guy he lived downstairs and eventually schubert was living upstairs in the porch room for a while nancy redmond was there for a minute yeah i'm trying to remember who lived in that main bedroom but that was sort of the crew at the time but i remember one time because that's why that's why kennison was always up there and why i had to go get the booze and everything because he was you know with tamayo and they were always broken up so he would like come up there and we'd do blow for three days and he just ended up like pounding on our door like tamayo ridge oh my god look at it are you from the future no it's a slick ridge wallet and they

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48:28I remember one time, I was such a fucking cocky dick. One time in the kitchen, Clapton and Phil Collins had come to see Sam. Wow. I don't give a fuck about Collins. But Clapton a little bit. A little, but not much. What? Eric Clapton? Yeah, but he's Eric Clapton. but like if I'm a guitar player, so I have him in a certain place. I tend to play more like him than I want to, but whatever. So he's back there. James Taylor, would you, James Taylor is somebody that would be impressed by him? I interviewed him. He's a lot darker than you think. Is it? Yeah. What does fire and rain mean? Dude, full on depressive junkie for years.

49:13Couldn't get out from under it, dude. Wow, wow, wow, wow.

49:15Bobby Lee:Couldn't get out from under it. Isn't that Clapton's story too? Yeah, but like Clapton. He was a dark, dark guy. Yeah, I guess, but why does he play? He's kind of a hack. I love this. Clapton is a hack. I love that. A blues hack, yeah. Yeah. Wow. I mean, he had pretty good phrasing, but I think that his best work, oddly, was with John Mayall and the Blues Breakers, the first band he was in, when he first realized, if I just crank this, I can still play these old dumb blues licks and sound like a genius. Wow. What? I love you. He'll cop to that. Joe Bonamassa. Bonamassa is a savant, but I don't know who he is, do you?

49:51Bobby Lee:No, but that's kind of why I like him. That's why I don't like him. You think he keeps himself hidden in an order for us to not find out? No, I just think he's a sort of like naturally gifted guitar player. Yeah. Who can play the fuck out of anything and he's a good mimic and he's like, you know, he can play like anybody. He's a savant, yeah. But like, I don't, if you can fake feeling, who do I believe? you know like you got to figure like freddie king yeah could only play freddie king and when freddie king plays freddie king you're like holy fuck this guy's really in it so bonamassa can play exactly like freddie king i'm like yeah but you're not freddie king it sounds right right but the feeling's not there right well who makes sense yeah who's your who's your who's your god then who's the guitar god well that's a good question or who are the gods plural then who are the three gods if there's a little mount rushmore a little whatever who three four gods in terms of guitar playing yeah hendrix look you know in terms of uh blues you know i'll go with those old guys you know i like freddy and i like albert and i like um who else do i listen to first names give me the last name too man but i like helen wolf i like his guitarist hubert someone i like uh what he's just deep cut like i'm sorry any of these fucking albert hooms albert king oh albert king was stevie ray's guy you know albert king he was stevie ray's guy you do yeah yeah and freddie king like it was pretty pretty great he's clapton's guy but i like i like dirty shit i like hound dog taylor oh wow that i mean i like dirty fucking blues i'm a big keith richards guy and he's not really a lead player but i love him yeah i like hendrix a lot i mean you can listen to hendrix that stuff's crazy it's still but he's doing buddy it's so funny i saw buddy uh buddy guy you know because you know hendrix got a lot of buddy guy in him and uh it was just it was it was very funny when i saw a buddy guy in junior wells when i was in college at in uh in cambridge they were both shit-faced it was second show and buddy was like you like hendrix i'll show you hendrix and he just started doing these looks like holy shit those are your those are your licks you know and but hendrix was a genius so you don't like pop bands then like when nirvana came about

52:09Khalyla Kuhn:Did you like it? That's pop. No, I like Nirvana. Sure. Okay, okay. Oh, yeah.

52:13Bobby Lee:I listen to popular music. Well, they became very popular. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no. I listen to all the music, dude. I'm a big Iggy Pop fan. Okay, good. Big Sturges fan. Yeah. Did you ever find yourself - I used to listen to, like I was listening to Skinner the other day. I grew up in New Mexico, dude. So I had to - All right, dude. But I knew a guy at a record store who was like one of these like weirdo art guys, Steve LaRue. And he turned me on to all the sort of art rock stuff and Bowie and then, but on the radio you were skinnered and all that other shit so i'm pretty well versed in all of it what do i go back to the most i think i honestly i i listen to more stones and then i just stones more than anything well i go back to the montan acdc huge angus young fan he's definitely one of my guys okay angus young on the lead guitar and a fucking performer no less but you can't beat that guy and his licks are just straight up blues licks but man he's the he's one of the best good performer fuck it yeah great guitar player yeah great guitar did you find yourself ever liking john prine or no yeah sure okay i like john prine i could see you liking him oh he's good i interviewed him great guy because i feel like he's kind of your style of of guy where uh he does whatever he's clever no no that's not what i would say i would say no he just doesn't give a fuck uh if it if it feels like it's supposed to be the right way if it's like i'll do it my way He does it his way and some of his songs are fucking great.

53:35Angel from Montgomery.

53:37Khalyla Kuhn:Why don't you end your podcast? Sorry about that, Mark.

53:41Bobby Lee:Oh, let's get back to what we started with. Yeah, let's go with the original stuff. I don't know what -

53:44Khalyla Kuhn:I drifted from it. It's just like John Prine, this and that, feeling. I don't know about that. Well, we're just chatting. I don't like it. Let's go back to - Fuck you. But the thing with Joe, the thing with Joe - Yeah. Is I don't know that we have a lot to talk about because of my idea of what he's done to comedy. Sure. And I don't think it's great. I think that it's tribalized. And I think that he's created a sort of army of people that think they know comedy, but they only know a specific thing. And what they think is good is not necessarily good. It may be what they're like, what they like.

54:22But on the outside of that, most of the sort of sensitive weirdos that we all grew up with in comedy have been sort of pushed aside and the space for them has become limited. And it's a little - But there was a time though that alt comedy was the - Not alt comedy. I'm not even talking about the alt people. Okay. I'm talking about just like interesting standups. Right. You know, weirdos. Yeah.

54:45Khalyla Kuhn:Like Brent Weinbach has a great special hour. Sure. I think he's so weird. Joe Mandy. Yeah, Joe Mandy. And now it's like kind of this, there's this cultural idea of what comedy is.

54:54Bobby Lee:Is there a world, and I understand what you're, I get your perspective. is there a world where both these things exist and it doesn't fucking matter? So this is what I always say. Like, I get that you don't like that world. That's part of why I love you because you're like, fuck that and you'll shit on it. And that's what's great about comedy. There's some good comics in there and there's a lot of middle section. There's a lot, I believe that we all exist in the same world. And it doesn't matter is my point. I get why you - It's not all on him. No, no, no. The culture has changed. Right. And I don't necessarily think for the better, but it's changed in a lot of ways in that look you know there are comics that only drive clips and and that you know only do crowd work and they don't care if they do other people's jokes because the traction is with the clip and what they don't realize i think and what a lot of people don't realize is that you're just you're you're the you're the internet's bitch you're the platform's bitch so in the sense that if you're not able to fucking confidently do an hour without worrying about getting clips so you can get people come see you to do crowd work.

55:57What are you really? What is your voice? Who do you work for? You'd like to think you're working for yourself, but you're just a platform bitch who doesn't really need to find who they are up there or do anything interesting at all. That's a problem. And the bigger problem about what you're saying is I think we all still do exist, but the nature of the comedy business is fragmented and some of it's tribalized, but there used to be a lot more weirdos around who were kind of exciting and interesting and took it a different place. I would argue with just talky talk comedy, there's not that many people bringing it to a different place, dude.

56:32Right.

56:32Bobby Lee:There is some good ones that like, I think that kid, Casey Rockets, really entertaining and fun and different and unique. I think they're there, right? Yeah. I think the problem is you were, there's so much sludge. There's so much shit. There's way more noise than we've ever fucking seen. Yeah. So it's hard to appreciate or even care because all that's really being shown is kind of the constant like, give it to him, give it to him, give it to him, give it to him. I'm tired of the attitude. I thought you were going to say violence in this country. No, no, no.

57:02Khalyla Kuhn:I'm tired. They come up back to LA. One guy, I want to name his name. I go, oh, you seem like you're thriving. He goes, I'm killing it. Killing it. You know what I mean? And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, dude. You moved out because you couldn't survive here. Yeah. This is a different.

57:17Bobby Lee:It's an animal. It's an animal. Well, I think the weirdos you're referring to, by the way, we're birthed, and I defend this till I'm fucking blue in the face. were birthed at the comedy store. A lot of them. I think the biggest mistake that's made whenever I go back East is the New York guys that I have very close friends out there, they make fun of the store and blah, blah, blah, blah for all the years. And I'm always like, dude, you'll never find a bigger group of fucking lunatic all over the mappers. When I started, when I moved here in 06, it was Wackadoo Central. The late nights were fucking insane.

57:47Bobby Lee:In fact, the front patio, you were like, is this illegal? Whatever this is. Do these people live here? yeah this is crazy yeah and i think i always push i was like people don't know that about the store they think they hear this like corporate bro bro and that happens internally in la a lot too where they're like the store is a fucking you know whatever sellout factory of fucking bro comics because i anymore no but there was a wash of it that came through and i think yeah joe they moved to austin but i think no i think i think i think even i think even even up to a few years even when i was starting out and the largo guys or the east side guys if i go to east side shows they would make fun of me going back because i had a lot of good friends that were east side guys yeah and we started because they couldn't cut it couldn't cut it at the store i know but they still would hate on me for going they go they'd be like why the fuck you go in there santino it's all fucking loot and i hate it because i was like you don't get it that place is diverse and insane and weird but the bottom line is you got to do the job you got to do the east side you don't got to do the job right you got a bunch of like-minded people that'll sort of watch you worm your way through a personal story that goes nowhere.

58:49Right. And find, you know, love. The whole issue, whatever alternative comedy was, it didn't deliver the goods because it ain't around anymore. And that weird argument, it wasn't that alternative comics were open micers. They were just trying to do something different. Right. But if you're brought up with the working ethic of like, you know, you open, you middle, you headline, and then you fucking do the job, that wasn't the same sense of purpose. so when you do the store and the reason why i've never stopped doing it and i was always a club

59:20Khalyla Kuhn:comic from the beginning but you're like blade though you live in both worlds that's right well i helped build the alternative world in new york but but i'm just saying there's some comics like you that do both sure i wonder why i mean there's you i think zach lives in both gafranakis pat oswald lives in both yeah but some of them don't live in both well some of them don't live anywhere anymore i'm not sure what they're doing but they're back on that couch baby but but the truth is is that like in my mind it's like you got to be able to do the job for whoever right so like the idea and sometimes at the store it's hard it's not always easy at the store there's tough there's a lot of times where most of the room doesn't know who the fuck i am but that's the job right i mean you know i do have my my people and i go do theaters and stuff of course but you want to go put yourself through the i still have that weird ethic it's like because a lot of people like why would you go to the store anymore i'm like i don't know because i gotta do the job yeah and i've it's a way to make to know whether shit really works if you can make it work over there

1:00:19Bobby Lee:yeah it's gonna work anywhere i think that's it i think everyone that got successful at the store that became a store person or store name yeah they have that like unrelenting i have to be a comedian i have to do it yeah like even when wives and girlfriends and friends are like what you're going to the fucking now? Yeah, that's why I don't have any of those things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you want to transition to stick? Real fast, yeah.

1:00:45Khalyla Kuhn:Well, I can even tell you what it is. Go ahead. He was a very masterful golf player. I know. You do? I do, I know he's a good golf player. He's also a great bowler. He's good at everything. Yeah, he's got all those white guy sports down. Right, right, right, he does, right.

1:00:58Bobby Lee:I have some of the black ones.

1:01:02Khalyla Kuhn:No, no. He's also, I don't know if you know this. great actor

1:01:06Bobby Lee:okay that's not that part's not I think you are

1:01:09Khalyla Kuhn:we've talked about this you're a great actor yeah but anyway he should have gotten something on stick yeah but it has nothing to do with you I kept telling them you know where's Andrew

1:01:16Bobby Lee:they kept saying no thanks no thanks no thanks I was mad we saw the show stick it's a great show it's on Apple of course our good friend Mark Maron is on it you wouldn't have played my part though no no no no no you would have played Owen's part that was a tough sell yeah I think it was attached early yeah it was either me or Owen basically no No. There's no other, the joke is there's no other parts. It's a young, it's Owen and a young child and him. It's like a fucking. There's no one liner? You could have easily done Timothy Olyphant's role. Yeah, fuck you, Timothy. And you could have done the kid's dad's role too.

1:01:50Who's that? What's his name? I forget the actor, he's great, but I mean, I'm just thinking like you could have done those.

1:01:55Bobby Lee:Thanks a lot, recommend. I'm the only fucking comedian that, me and Nate Bargasi, the only comedians that golf. It's so funny, I sent Nate a picture of me and Owen. No, I don't even know the guy's name. This is going to piss me the fuck off, I bet. Yeah. Be a guy that I like. Well, I'm sure you like him. The fact that I can't remember his name is not great, but hold on, let me see if I can find it. Holy shit, I didn't know him and I talked.

1:02:16Khalyla Kuhn:So Happy Gilmore 2, you should have gotten a real golf part in that too.

1:02:19Bobby Lee:Yeah, why didn't you get a role in that? Not going to say anything bad right now if Sandoz was listening, okay? Thank you, Adam. Thank you for everything. Thank you for everything. As if Adam would ever fucking hear this. No. You know what's so funny? What? He's got his finger on the pulse. he's pretty he's not listening to our show he's pretty good though Adam knows he's so good Adam knows he's smart I'll be honest with you I thought that last special that Josh Safdie directed was one of the best things I've ever seen yeah fact I'm serious and nobody watched it and it was so weird and it was so clear that he had an agreement with Adam to be like I'm gonna do some shit during the show and he's just gonna react to it well the special before that got a lot of love cause it was more oh that's Colin Morikawa yeah Yeah, so I sent that picture to Nate, and Nate says, this is my happiest day.

1:03:05Bobby Lee:Oh, that's... I never in a million years thought I would see this picture. You with Colin Morikawa is so funny. And Colin Morikawa, of course, is... A human. Asian. Yeah, Asian. He's like you, bud. Damn it. I got it right. Just like you, big guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:03:16Khalyla Kuhn:It's like if you got a photo with Thierry Henry or something.

1:03:20Bobby Lee:It would change your life.

1:03:20Khalyla Kuhn:It would piss me off. Yeah. God, I hope I do one day. He's one of the greatest French soccer players of all time. Yeah, I'm not a sports guy in any way. I'm just saying if you had - I know that. Well, golf's not a sport.

1:03:32Bobby Lee:It's an activity. But I mean, I'm athletic, but I don't do - Yeah, we get it. Okay. Okay. He has been working out a lot more than usual. I know. Look at your legs. I thought we were cutting down on the zins though. We're not. No. The no is, no, we're not. And we're not - Now I'm starting to see them all around my yard because I don't even spit them in the right place. I'm just like - You know you got a problem where you're like, is that a zin under my pillow? My buddy told me. Why did it end your podcast? Time out. Hold on. Let me finish this stick sink. Yeah. We're going to get there. Am I a bad interviewer?

1:04:04No. No, no, no. No, no, no. I'll be honest with you about the stick casting for me. Is that like, okay, so I get offered that role of mitts.

1:04:14Bobby Lee:Mm-hmm. And it's the role of a caddy. So I immediately said, like, I read some of the scripts. I'm like, I don't know anything about golf. And I was basically saying, no, I can't do it. I don't want to do it. And they're like, doesn't matter. And I'm like, okay. but you know i have a podcast i can't do it and they're like no we'll figure it out and i'm like and i kept telling them i couldn't do it but ultimately what became appealing was a couple of things that if i want to act i should do it you know what i mean yeah the business is so anemic now if you get an offer and you say no you're like all right well then we're then you shouldn't do anything right because this is it yeah it's one of them yeah but the thing that was appealing to me was outside of the i don't really need to play golf in it no but the the friendship between two guys who are sad for very deep reasons and have stuck by each other for this long through thick and thin and through these emotional cycles well that was kind of compelling to me to be able to play that and I thought I could play that and the nature of a caddy is it like fundamentally codependent I mean you're there to to service the dude yep so that dynamic with Owen I thought was really interesting and could be kind of touching and that was really what drove me to it and i learned enough about golf to to sell it but it wasn't on me to carry the golf of that show uh pun intended carry as a guy yeah you didn't have to carry the golf the show but it didn't matter because honestly like anything else you got a straight offer bro what's that straight offer can i finish the thing with him and i so we can have a good you know what i mean a good rapport out of it in the middle of in the middle of the thing am i a bad interviewer to the guys in the booth.

1:05:53Bobby Lee:No, you're the best. Anyway. It's a conversation, Bobby. Okay. Yeah. Ask away, whatever else. No, go ahead. No, no. We were going to tie it up, but it's - Tie it up, dude. Put a button in it. Yeah. You see a button in it. You see how good he is at the thing? On it. Yeah. Fuck, dude. It's good. I think this whole comedy team thing works for you guys. And it really does. It does, yeah. We're not, we don't, we're our own little ships. And nobody wants to be on this boat, by the way. like when people say like you know those worlds have been kind of um i don't want to say like corporatized or whatever eaten alive by other bigger things yeah and bobby sometimes will say how come nobody wants to buy our show yeah and i'll say buddy we don't we're not really sellable we're not really like no but you thank god because now you just run your own ship and cash your own checks whenever someone says this is kind of funny we don't ever have politics on the show we never do it because we just are like that's not for us yeah go over there yeah i don't like it on this show.

1:06:51Bobby Lee:And we had a few offers of like people, politicians wanted to come on the show. None of the big ones. Yeah. But anyway - I only did a sitting president. Yeah, I know. We remember. Yeah. But it was unfortunate because it was the - What? It was the - The black one? It was the black one. Yeah. You said it, not me. Yeah, you were the one. Take it away, Mark. It was great. No, he was fucking amazing. It was one of the best interviews of all time. No, but I said, I said we shouldn't have politicians on. You know, he obviously agreed. He's like, yeah, I don't want that shit on here. And then I also thought, I thought, have they seen this show?

1:07:20Bobby Lee:Like this is not. But that's the thing, they don't give a fuck. All they want is your audience. That's right. They don't give a fuck. Because politicians will talk right through you. They don't give a shit. They're gonna say what they wanna say no matter what. And you can say whatever you want and they'll be like, yes, but I'm going to say this now. Right, I'm gonna say what I wanna say. And also, why'd you quit your podcast? That was Bobby's question. I know, but Bobby, go ahead and ask it. Well, because - I texted you, didn't I? And what did I say? You said - It was very nice. Yeah, he said congratulations I said thank you podfather Congratulations and good luck in the future Did I say anything?

1:07:54Bobby Lee:No, you fucking did, of course you didn't text me No, you were like, why?

1:07:58Khalyla Kuhn:Yeah, that's right I'll tell you why I was mystified by it Is that right word? Sure, that works Yeah, I love when he tries It did work, but I love it If it were the 40s, you guys would be the best team Because you'd be like, what Bobby?

1:08:12Bobby Lee:You'd be like All right Don't you think we're a good throwback to old

1:08:17Khalyla Kuhn:That wasn't even an Asian thing. No. That was just a tone. It sounded like Asian. No, it was just a... Yeah, yeah. I've heard villagers say that.

1:08:25Bobby Lee:We are like a good comedy duo from the old days. Totally. Of like the old stupid wackadoo. You're the straight guy and he's the wacky guy. Right. Yeah. Classic. You're like Marty Allen. Go ahead, wacky guy. Hello there. That's Marty Allen. Hello there.

1:08:41Khalyla Kuhn:See, that was racist. Do you see what he did? Yeah, I see what this is now. Yeah. No, no, that's a team up. It's an old school team up. it's a team i'm up go ahead bobby let's be serious so let's be serious for a second um uh because you've had i think the best guests i mean you could imagine thank you um you've had leo right brad pitt barack obama yep right in that order by the way yeah it goes leo brad pitt the best one of the best moments of the podcast we had barack obama on and then president obama and then we did me and my producer did a sort of post talk about what it was like to have the president on and people were like who are you going to put on after that and we're like i think rich boss wow wow wow rich was very funny little drop though best a little drop from the president of the united states boss is so funny i you know i've known him forever he's so funny so funny i knew him when i was starting out in boston he used to come up from new york and back then he had like this jerry curl italian ponytail little italian horn necklace so but he was always something but But it was so funny, I had a great interaction with him.

1:09:47Cause you know, he knows Norton and I'm friends with Norton and I haven't talked to Norton in a while. And I saw Voss at the Comedy Store and I'm like, how's Jimmy doing? Is Jimmy doing all right? How'd I heard from him? And he goes, Jimmy's great. He's got a beautiful wife with a huge car.

1:10:03Bobby Lee:All true. All true, yeah, yeah, yeah. Why'd you make the decision? Your hair looks good, buddy.

1:10:08Khalyla Kuhn:Please stop. It does. Stop with this. It does. You know what guy? Oh boy. Oh boy You're misreading me again No I'm not misreading you Yes you are You always think that I'm like You know condescending Or I'm busting your balls I'm being honest Oh it's because of the history We once had Yeah but At one point you didn't like me No that's not true That was all in your head Okay

1:10:26Bobby Lee:At one point he doesn't like everybody That's not true But then he learns to like you A little bit I'm just guarded It's not that I don't like You've never had a point Where you didn't like him Or you didn't like me I never didn't like you I didn't know you Like I There we go That's how he does it That's how he does it

1:10:43Khalyla Kuhn:Yeah Alright good I didn't know you either. I treated you like shit. And here's the problem. I would argue that I didn't treat you like shit. I may have come off as a lot of people think arrogant, but it's not. I'm just like, I'm just guarded. If everybody thinks it, may it be true? But you know me now. I do. Yeah, yeah. I love you. I'm a pretty softy guy. Great, great guy. Once you get the key to me.

1:11:06Bobby Lee:But here's the problem, Mark. Yes, that is to be true. The problem is losers like us. No. Yes. But we fucking loved you through it because we were like, I still really like him and I really want him to like me. But I don't think he likes me. And we did that.

1:11:19Khalyla Kuhn:And we all did that. Although I was so, did I tell you about Oklahoma City? No. I'm shooting the Green Day movie in Oklahoma City. Yeah. I'm at the hotel. I have the day off. And I'm coming out of my hotel room. And from afar, I see the back of his head. But I thought there's no way that's not wearing. Yeah. He turns around and it was the most exciting. I kind of. I was excited. I speed ran towards you. It was unbelievable. Yeah. He was doing a show there. I was stuck in a hotel.

1:11:48Bobby Lee:Yeah.

1:11:48Khalyla Kuhn:It was a great meeting. It was great.

1:11:50Bobby Lee:But he had the other times when he didn't look at you in the hallway.

1:11:53Khalyla Kuhn:Oh, yeah, yeah. You remember those days? Yeah. Well, I think that you didn't like my style of comedy. I'm very needy on stage. I use little tricks. I am too. Who isn't needy on stage? Yeah. I use tricks on stage that you wouldn't, you know what I mean, do. Let's be honest. What are some of the tricks? Right. Just like, you know what I mean? It's not a Marc Mara trick that you do. Well, I kiss people on the lips. You do. Different things like, you know. Cube shot. Cube shot. Yeah, show the belly. Show the belly. The little tricks that - But I want you to know that once you guys, anybody, any comic, once you figure out the trick of me and you figure out how to bust my balls, it's over.

1:12:30Khalyla Kuhn:Yeah, it is. I don't believe that. I believe you softened. No, no, no. No, yes, yes, yes. No, he's saying there's, look, dude.

1:12:35Bobby Lee:He's saying - He softened. He's saying there's a fucking code and you got to get to the - And once you get the, you know what it is in video game? Like once you found out where that extra thing was in Mario and you were like, I know how to get that fucking thing. Oh, right, right, right. But it looked threatening and hard. But once you get the thing, yeah, yeah. You jump on the mushroom, you get to the thing. Then you can, then you get it. You got the thing. That's what it really is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's Mark's thing. Doesn't that make sense? Yeah, it does. Yeah. And you got to get there.

1:13:00Khalyla Kuhn:But also when I knew you, right, it was like, I knew you when WTF was new. Yeah. Even before when you were married to me. Yeah. Right?

1:13:11Bobby Lee:weird what are you fucking doing? I thought maybe it was a secret or something.

1:13:16Khalyla Kuhn:I'm through it. You're through it. Yeah. Yeah. He's through it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which, you know, I have feelings about, but, uh, yeah, but I knew when you weren't as successful and, you know, the reason why you started WTF is because you weren't in a good place. Bad place. Very bad place. Yeah. And you were a little angry and sad. Yeah. Right. And so I think that once you got through the divorce, yeah. You're right. and then you know WTF started taking off then you were getting TV spots and you were all the things that you deserved you got yeah okay and then you softened well I softened with age and I softened with a lot of stuff but yeah I but I but also the the primary intention of WTF at the beginning was to sort of settle these scores of people that either I did have problems with or people had problems with me and most of the time when I thought I had you know caused some trouble for somebody or they didn't like me they didn't even know what i was talking about and i'd be yeah yeah you know i'd bring up these events and be like oh yeah okay i guess and it was like i had decided somehow that i was an outsider of the community you're not and no i'm not but but i'm crazy okay so that's true you're a leader well yeah you are you're a leader in the community

1:14:33Bobby Lee:you're one of the forefathers but you're also crazy you're crazy lines up yeah yeah a little bit

1:14:38Khalyla Kuhn:All right, so say it. So say it.

1:14:40Bobby Lee:What? What? Why? Why did I stop? Just why? Why are you done? Why? Oh, oh. Well, the truth is, like, we've been doing it 16 years. And, you know, when we set out to do it, it was not, there was no money to be made. It was really just an act of trying to create something, you know, honest and interesting. And it evolved over time. And my producer and I were audio guys. And he's a very specific type of producer. He spends a lot of time with these interviews. he crafts them and the and over time it developed a very personal style and it was sort of a a sort of the arc of my life and my engagement with these people but it was ultimately a lot about me and the thing about the show is that we we've worked very hard at it there we never wanted to do video it was never part of our thing we're not content generators we're not we don't put things into the world to make money really.

1:15:37And the fact was, is three years ago, we got that deal with the platform and it was something we deserved and it was not a huge deal, but it was a good one. It was a good one. And, you know, we got in under the wire on that. And, and right before we took the platform deal, we were like, you know, we don't have to keep doing this. We've done an amazing thing. We've helped sort of create a foundation for this medium. We've created a style of doing it that a lot of people copped. And, you know, we're still operating at the quality has never shifted. The audience has never gone away. But it really becomes a question of like, how long do we need to do this?

1:16:15And the arc of the deal with the platform is three years and it's coming up on that. And we made our money in a way, but it's it's it becomes the I think the landscape's different you know we do what we do and people still do it come to it audio is a great thing but after a certain point it's like we've interviewed everybody and my producers like we're a little exhausted it's consumed our entire lives and we just thought like in terms of our our legacy why not just let it be done you know why you why do you want to end up like down the line having and people going like, oh, Maren's still doing it?

1:16:56Who the fuck needs that?

1:16:56Khalyla Kuhn:Yeah. God, that's fucking wild.

1:16:59Bobby Lee:That's wild. By the way, he gets regarded as an interviewer in public and you and I are at the airport and people go, Bobby's mom. That's what we hear. Yeah.

1:17:06Khalyla Kuhn:You know what I also get? The reason I'm doing a special is because podcasters come see my show and then afterwards they go, wow, we didn't think you could do standup. I know.

1:17:15Bobby Lee:They never knew you did it.

1:17:16Khalyla Kuhn:Yeah, they never even knew I did it. And that's the most important thing in our life. Yes. When's yours coming out? I shoot it in January. Sorry. Is it gonna, how long is it gonna be?

1:17:30Khalyla Kuhn:You don't want headline on the road, Mark. How many openers you've been? Two or three. No, no, no. Yeah, I do. Three or four. Yeah. You have to understand something. I think you're fucking hilarious. Okay. And you don't believe that. You're doing a special.

1:17:47Bobby Lee:Oh, he doesn't want the attention. I don't want the attention. Yeah. You're doing a special. I shot a special New York. Yes. And I think it's one of the best I've done. Wow. Where is it at? Where'd you shoot it? I shot it at the Bam Harvey. It's like, it's in Brooklyn. Okay. I was going to do it at Town Hall again, but I didn't, I didn't, I don't love that space. And I said, isn't it like an 800, 900 seater anywhere in New York? You only did one show? No, I did two shows. Okay. But the theater is like this old theater from the early 1900s and they've maintained it, but they didn't restore it. So it almost has sort of a half a ruin feeling.

1:18:18And they had this back wall that looked like a fucking piece of modern art. And I'm like, that wall is the whole thing. We got to make that part of it. And the production design on it, it's fucking genius. Wow. The guy, like the production design guy, he saw the space and he wanted to integrate it. And I'm of the mind that you can't really make those things look that much different than anything else. No, leave him alone. But this guy was genius. He goes, I'm thinking Katsuki. And I'm like, I don't even know what the fuck that is. So I Google it. And it's this ancient Japanese art of restoring ceramics with gold to to in the cracks right it's all any and i'm like all right well that sounds good you just do that so we just created this vibe that was amazing i did a full fucking 73 minutes i had it in my mind 73 well they wanted an hour and like i believe this is what we work for and that's why i love hbo is because they they curate shit yeah they're still producing good shit yeah and i and they're they're like you're gonna do an hour and i'm like yeah i'm gonna do an hour but then i was like i think it should be 73 because my last special was 73 so i got it in my head that that was that's what i could do 73 and uh they were like all right fine do it and it's so fucked up and i guess it's just a testament testament to how long i've been doing this like i had like an hour and 45 for the tour and i knew a few weeks going into it that i had to get it down and i just got the redundancies out i found the callbacks but i swear to god both shows that I did that night, 73 minutes.

1:19:45Wow. Like on the fucking dot. Wow.

1:19:47Bobby Lee:No cognizant of the time. You were just rolling. No. Wow. And I look at the clock and I'm closing at 73. I'm like, I know how to do this. 73 is phenomenal. Yeah. It's good though. And I just want to tell you. It's going to be on the HBO. HBO. It premiered August 1st. August 1st. August 1st. Go check it out. Yeah. What's it called? Panicked. Literally perfect. It's perfect. And by the way, for the record, Go see Watch Panicked right now on HBO. A great name is hard to find. We're trying to find his name for his special. Yeah, we'll figure it out later. No, give him, come on. Could you call it Bobby?

1:20:24Bobby Lee:Yeah, that's good. With a lot of E's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bobby. It was gonna be called Trauma Llama. Yeah, that's pretty good. Trauma Llama's really good. AI generated that unfortunately. We asked what AI thought it would be. What's in the running though, really? I have no idea. Yeah. Well, no, we had a few. The Slept King he likes, Tramalama, Chink in the Armor. Tiger Daddy. I think that one's very funny. I do think that one's very funny. AI came up with all these. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, watch Mark. What was the other one? Tiger Daddy. Tiger Dad. Oh, that's pretty good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tiger Daddy.

1:20:58I think you should capitalize on the name of these shows.

1:21:01Khalyla Kuhn:Yeah, you should. Yeah. Well, my nickname on Tiger, but my other podcast is The Slept King. Right. Yeah. what is that slept yeah because i'm not woke i'm the opposite it's too complicated

1:21:14Bobby Lee:see what i'm gonna get hard to find yeah it's hard to get the panicked panicked on hbo i see it i get it okay and i'm sure you name that yourself i did we had a few things in the running but i i kind of stuck with that one i'm like let's just do this what was the other one yeah what was the other one you don't have to clear it with hbo right they don't care they say you got oh you do yeah and i yeah you definitely got to clear it with hbo but we were going with one that I thought was too long and now I can't even remember. Equanimity in the bird theory or whatever? Exactly. Yeah, no, I just was, but it's really hard to find those one word ones and you kind of feel like you need to.

1:21:47But there's so many of them done already.

1:21:49Bobby Lee:Right, or it's two words, but it's quick. It's gotta be pop-pop. Yeah. Yeah, it's gotta be fast. Yeah, I can't remember the fucking other names. It's so crazy. But when I got panicked, I'm like, this is it. Panicked is perfect. Thank you. Panicked is perfect. Go see Panicked on HBO. All right, thanks. For those of our fans and friends. That was very nice. We love you. Yeah. We always say thank you for being a bad friend to the audience, and I want you to do it because it'll be a nice sign-off for us. Thank you for being a bad friend. That's it. No, don't cut him off. That's it. Fuck. You don't do more?

1:22:21And I'll be honest with you. These two guys are good friends of mine, and if I was in a pinch, I know I could call either of you. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. We love you.

1:22:34Khalyla Kuhn:Wow, that was good. Yeah, woo-hoo. Yeah, woo-hoo. Yeah, woo-hoo. Yeah, woo-hoo.

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