Simon Squibb: The Education System is Failing us! This is Why We Need to Rethink School

30:43Yes. She would clap every time I had a success. It was the first time I experienced that. Always makes me a bit emotional, that. I never felt it. It's such an emotion. Someone that when I did well, she was happy for me. You know, and I never had that. Even my brothers, as much as I love them, we were competitive. We'd be competing. How are you doing versus how? And my mum, of course, my mum wanted me to fail. She wanted me to go back with my tail between my legs and go home. And I can even think of my school friends, you know, and they'd probably be listening. But I know they didn't want to see me succeed.

31:16I went back to my hometown recently to launch my book. And it was lovely. People were coming to me, congratulations. But I could also see, even now, 30 years later, a slight envy. So when I met someone that actually wanted to see me succeed, to her detriment, by the way. So she would actually sacrifice her own life, time, things that she wanted to do to help me succeed. So I did a big tour of America. She just let me do it. I had this lovely drive around America, went and did all loads of fun stuff while she stayed at home. And did she want to come to America? Yes. Did she sacrifice that time for me?

31:52Yes. Simon, I really want to point something out here because this is a really good message for men, women, people in relationships with a partner. And a sacrifice that you see your partner making to help cheerlead you and where you want to be. to acknowledge your partner's sacrifice, that it's not that they're working with you or that she comes on the tour with you. She stays at home and doesn't do something to enable you to do something, that you really love and respect her for that. Yes. And this is such a beautiful and important thing to point out because sometimes I think people forget that the person at home is sacrificing something.

32:43Queen Hall. Yeah. and that that is a gift that not doing something you know I just wanted to kind of flag that because that's a really beautiful thing you just said there about her and it what it shows me is your respect for each other yeah and I say this a lot on this podcast but my dad always said four things in love friendship carnal love trust respect and if any of those aren't present you need to work on it i couldn't agree more i think there's also not enough said about how powerful a successful relationship can be oh yeah there's so much online i see it you know with influences in particular lots of boyfriends lots of girlfriends lots of dating lots of tinder swipes left and right it's it is hard work to have a deep relationship but a deep relationship is so rewarding.

33:37It is so worth it. And I just don't hear that very often. People are always busy thinking that the next big, next beautiful younger person, whatever it is, there's always someone better. No, what you've got, you can make it great. You have to work at it. But the person has to want you to succeed. This is important ingredient. I think with Helen, the reason we've been together 23, four years almost, yes, and it is, I feel it's an achievement. If you ask me my biggest achievement, I would say I actually have my relationships worked. And so I would also say if she stopped enabling me or I stopped enabling her or stopped respecting me and I stopped respecting her, it would be over.

34:19Yes. Right. It would be over. If she changed in this way, I would compartmentalise it and say, we had this great time, but now you don't want me to succeed. And I would leave her and she would leave me and I would expect her to. Because, you know, she's now a trained kinesiologist. She's a healer. And when she first told me about this, I remember my first reactions like, oh, so like a doctor? And I was a little bit sceptical about, you know, preemptive care medicine. And it took me about six months to fully understand what she was talking about because she's actually smarter than me. It took me a little bit of time.

34:51But what I'm saying, the reason I explain this is I think there was about six months in our marriage, maybe about 10 years ago, where I didn't support her. and I was like I don't understand this preemptive medicine you know what what are you talking about how does it work how does holistic medicine work what do you mean you take nettles you know what's nettles why why why nettles make you healthy I don't understand and so I didn't support her and it almost broke us and I think thank god I realized she's onto something and I should learn from her and then I supported her because she actually left the company that we started together She said, I don't want to work at Fluid anymore.

35:26I've done my time there. I want to go and do this health and well-being stuff. And I was like, what are you talking about? We're one of the most successful companies in Asia. You're a brilliant designer. What are you doing? I literally, that was my tone. And so I didn't support her. I didn't support her wish to change. And so your point you're making there, and I want the listeners to also pick up on it, you have to accept that person's dream and you have to support them. No matter what it is. And you have to genuinely support them. Not be rooting for them to actually fail to prove your point that you were right.

36:00Yes. Right? And so I think that people need to learn this. If you want a good relationship, I think that's the number one bit of advice. Support the person you love's dream. No matter what it is. And encourage them to change. Because we do change. How did you see that it was going wrong? And how did you turn that around? Because I think there'll be a lot of people out there that are going through something similar. You know, you love somebody, but you think, what are you doing like? I think I saw my mother in me. I remember Helen telling me she was leaving the business and she wanted to do this holistic care.

36:36And I remember trying to convince her not to do it, which is initially fair enough. I think that's normal. Yeah, at first. But then what went from convincing went from manipulation. Because then I would start to use language that I think I picked up in my childhood, which is, well, if you do that, you know, you'll probably end up broke. If you do that, the business we've built up will fail. Now this starts to be manipulation. And did you know at the time you were doing it, did it feel wrong? No, I think I basically caught myself. I caught myself using a line that my mum used to use against me.

37:12And I remember thinking, that's exactly how my mum used to speak to me. And I was like, of course, as a kid, you know, like we have our subconscious years, which is zero to seven. All this stuff that happens that makes us subconsciously do things. We're blinking now, breathing now without thinking about it. It's all our subconscious. You know, we get scared of things because our subconscious notices something, remembers it, so we protect ourselves from that thing. And so I picked up all this stuff, all this language that my mum would have towards my dad, towards me, towards my brothers, towards whoever.

37:41And it became part of me, even though it isn't actually part of me. And I found myself using it on her. The amazing thing is, is you saw that? Yeah, I remember it clicking because basically I said to her, you should stay in the business. And she said yes. And I saw this little light in her die. So she did it for me again. She said, yes, OK, you're right. I'll stay in the business for now then. And I saw this thing. I want to ask people what their dream is. Do you know what? The reason I'm so addicted, why I will never stop is because I see a light come on in people's eyes when we figure out what their dream is.

38:18Literally a little bright light comes on in their eyes. I'm so addicted to it but I saw it die in Helen's eyes I saw it go off and I was like hold on a minute no no no this is wrong I'm accidentally now manipulating you to do what I want I want you to stay in the business because I like working with you because we've been successful under this formula because I'm insecure and she is the person I've got to like big up Helen as well because I'm assuming that you could then tell her that and she is a person that would go thank you yeah Like she wouldn't scream at you or close things at you. She'd go, I'm really pleased you've noticed because that is kind of how I felt.

38:57Like is that how it… Yeah, I think Helen is someone who is so dedicated and loyal to her friends, to me. I think she, and this is to her detriment, I say this negatively about her, she will sometimes give up on her own dreams to support others. And now I'm the opposite. I fight for her to have dreams and do things. Like I've just forced her to go to Paris for five days and have fun. She's such a good mother. She feels bad being away from our son for five days. I'm like, go and have fun. Oh, I should be at home looking after our son. No, I'm going to do it. I can do it. You know, leave it with me.

39:37And so she's so, she's got opposite problem, I think, to where I've come from. I've tried to pull myself to the middle where I'm not as selfish, but I've grew up in quite a selfish environment. My mother was selfish. Yes. That's bred me into this. And she is the opposite problem. She also had a father who was a drunk. And it was very erratic. So she would always, like, succumb to his craziness. Yes. Because he's an alcoholic. It's a chemical imbalance, right? Alcohol causes a chemical imbalance. She can't rationalise with him. So she would become subservient. Yes. I've spent the last 24 years pushing her back the other way because she's very smart.

40:12So you're really good yin and yang. Again, I think people need to hear that, right? Or the chaos, right? Yeah. You can have someone completely different to you. I think the key is moral code. You've got to have the same moral code. Oh, absolutely. Talk about that a bit. Like, what is a moral code? Well, to me, moral code is you can accept that you're wrong. Probably is probably on a fundamental conscious level. It's the most important thing, I think. Yeah, you can go back. If somebody says to you, yesterday I said this thing and I'm really sorry about that. Yeah. I am so in awe of somebody owning something.

40:42100%. That you would immediately. And then I remember the first time I messed up with my kids. And it would be something like, I forgot to pick up the thing that you really, really needed for the play tomorrow and I haven't done it. And they go, don't worry, that's okay. Thanks for telling me. 100%. You think? It's actually really liberating to let that go. Yes. Yeah, but people don't realise it. You often talk about pain when you're talking to people about finding their dream. is that from your childhood and kind of the pain that you felt around your mum that somewhere it's connected? Yes so I would say pain is what drives purpose right so what in your life has been painful often you'll find your dream lives in that place where that pain lives yes so for me of course 15 years old kicked out of home so I have empathy for the homeless definitely part of I tried to help the homeless.

41:40I'm working with Shelter right now trying to help the homeless. But my also my big driver was that the education system had not prepared me anyway for the world I suddenly found myself in. And here I am 35 years later and the education system has not changed. Oh, I want to talk to you about the education system because my middle daughter's dyslexic. Obviously, Richard Branson set up the university for dyslexic thinking. like dyslexia is having a moment i feel like but the education system isn't changing i feel like the university system might be changing a little bit or thinking out of the box i think um employers are thinking differently about people with dyslexia and the type of thinking that they can bring but school isn't what would you do in the education system and if you need any help doing it yeah call me i'll be right next to you because it's the place that needs like reforming i get very very upset about the education system and where we're at right now and it's it's about to get a lot worse it's about to get very scary and i don't think people realize and i think if we don't by the way no no one person can fix the education system we have to do it as a community we have to and the The thing that I guess scares me is the way the school system starts off.

42:58So I home educate my son now. And anyone listening, I'm going to hopefully get rid of their biases about home education. Home education is the best thing I ever did. And it's for everybody. Anyone can do it. So when people hear it, they first of all think I'm at home all day teaching my son. And they think I'm alone doing it. Absolutely the opposite. It's community driven. That's the best way to home educate. How do you mean it's community driven? So I'm not sitting at home educating my son all day. I moved to a part of England where there are communities of people homeschooling their kids. So my kids, his seven years old homeschooling experience is he wakes up and I ask him, what would you like to do today?

43:32And he says, I'd like to go to the forest and maybe meet John if he's available, his friend, and we'll do sword fighting in the forest. I'm like, sure. And I just text the mum and say, you know, is he available to play sword fighting? Yeah, sure. OK, four o 'clock. Perfect. Meet you in the forest. And basically, I think we've lost the tribalism that used to make us happy. So community is very important to humans. So what used to happen is we used to live in tribes of 500. And that tribe of 500, you have four-year-olds, seven-year-olds, 10-year-olds, 14-year-olds and 18-year-olds. And you wouldn't have as much bullying because the community, those kids would regulate each other.

44:06The 18-year-olds would look after the 14-year-olds, 14-year-olds would look after the seven-year-olds, and the seven-year-olds would look after the three-year-olds. And there was a sense of community amongst them. Now, don't get me wrong. There was fighting, right? But in school, we have put all the kids the same age in the room. And there's no regulation. And then the worst thing we do is we tell them all to study the same thing at the same time that they're probably not all interested in and they can't all learn in the same way. So my son, when I first took him to school, he was four years old.

44:33And this is when I knew for sure this was my destiny to fix this. The teacher was lovely. It was a private school. And it was a lovely teacher. The classroom was smaller than most. It was about 13 kids because it was private. and so even in private school this is what i saw play out all the kids sit down all having fun saying hello to each other the teacher says right everyone stop playing listen to me right i want to hear from each of you what do you want to be when you grow up i literally saw my four-year-old look at me for the first time in his life look stressed he had to come up with an answer that everyone in the room was going to somehow like resonate with like what are we doing asking kids this question i also see adults asking kids this question every single day what will you be when you grow up what do you want to do when you grow up it's the wrong question the fundamental part of education needs to change is this question needs to change the first question we should ever ask our kids is what problem you'd like to solve when you grow up now kids aren't trapped to one job that's so good into one idea into one conveyor belt to get the thing that they said at four years old they want to do when they're 28 years old?

45:38When the education system is going to, AI is going to completely change everything. Why are we setting kids on this trap? Oh, I want to be a lawyer. Oh, I want to be a doctor. Oh, let kids think about the world and what's out there, how big the world is, all the different ways you can contribute to the world. And then you can have eight or nine different careers to achieve that goal. So I ask my son pretty much every day, what problems do want to solve when he grows up what kind of things does he say he makes me laugh because he's like daddy i haven't decided yet i'm still thinking about it i'm still looking around you know the important thing is for kids is to figure out what they like to do and i mean literally what they like to play what they like to learn i just quickly want to tell you about tilly because she's the one that absolutely loves you and um tilly when i asked her when she was little i was like what do you want to do my oldest wanted to help people then i said to tilly sorry because I was asking the wrong question until he was like, I want to be a tiger.

46:33I want to be a tiger. Perfect. Yeah. And that carried on for a very long time. You know, I was like, this might be a problem, but go for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I like that, you know, that's imagination, which gets squashed in kids. You know, like I think about eight or nine years old, kids start getting told that the only way to succeed is if you sit down in a desk and do an exam and get an A. You know, in England, it's the 11 plus. It's like there's so much pressure. Kids are killing themselves because they get bad GCC results. results like i don't know about you but i never hired anyone based on their gcc results i don't even hire anyone based on their university degree i based on do they care about the mission i care about and are they easy and nice to work with are they friendly are they kind and do they have a skill that we can help develop that's it i mean it's fascinating isn't it because um i i loved what i love what you say and believe about university university isn't for everyone there's so much pressure on kids nowadays truly and if you don't get a degree you're not going to get a job That is what we hear all the time.

47:30You're going to miss out by not going to university. There's another pitch. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like you're going to miss out on friendship groups and like all the fun you can have and getting really drunk. As if I had no friends at 18, 19 years old because I didn't go to university. Of course I did. I didn't go either. Yeah. And my dad didn't go either. And that was really helpful. Yeah. Because he was like, don't worry about it. Like, just go find your thing. And I was like, firstly, I wanted to be a singer. Then I was like, I want to be a presenter. And he never rolled his eyes once. They were just like, follow your dream.

47:56I mean, he was, my dad and my stepmum were such good parents in that respect. They were just like, you know, if that's what you want to do, but really go do it, attack it. Yeah, dedicate. That's a good thing to encourage. Dedication, commitment, you know, try and, if you're going to be a tiger, be a real tiger, you know, go for it. Be everything a tiger. But you know what I mean? I love that whole, like, dedicate is a very different lesson to, like, rolling your eyes, oh, that probably won't work out. I think that's the idea of good parenting. in my opinion, good education too. Don't tell them they can't do it or they shouldn't do it.

48:30Give them all the tools to follow their dreams. And if they fail, they fail, but at least they tried. Don't want to live a regret in life, right? And how brilliant is failing? I love failing. I completely agree. We're so terrified of failing. And I have... The other thing is letting your children go. Make mistakes. Yes. And I think we've all become so frightened of that. Yes. And it's hard to watch. But I now know that calamities are an asset in your life. And if I was to start at school, the first thing I would teach is what failure looks like and how to love it. What would you look for then?

49:08Say somebody's come out of school, they're 18, they are an inspired person, you know, they're focused, they're kind of, they want to work. I think often every generation thinks that the next generation aren't as good as their generation because we had more problems to look at or you had it easy because you had this or, well, we didn't have mobile phones. And I hear a lot with my generation that this next generation, they don't like hard work. Not true. Well, I'm in a building here, right, full of young people. I've never seen such hardworking young people. I don't know how this image has got out there.

50:00So what qualities are you looking for in someone and how can you tell? Because if they've not got the university degree and they've not got all the A stars, what can they bring to you to show you who they are? So when I was younger, I was a very bad manager. So 15 years old, I tried to hire people to help me with the gardens because I started a garden. Oh, yes. Can you just tell us how you started that? I love this. This was your first entrepreneurial endeavour really, wasn't it? Yeah. And I think it's important to, you know, my first ever business, I didn't want to be an entrepreneur. I needed to be an entrepreneur.

50:36Yeah. So you've got to make a want and need. And I had no choice. The first ever business I started wasn't my dream. No. But I started something. I think that's another lesson for people. Sometimes you just need to start. It doesn't do some broadcasting. Do anything you can to get close to something you enjoy doing. And I think for me, I didn't enjoy gardening. So I didn't think, oh, I want to garden. I'm going to do a gardening business. I thought I need to eat. I need to get out of this situation. I can't sleep on friends' couches or in the street anymore. I've got to figure out a way to get out of this situation.

51:10I couldn't get a job. I couldn't get help from social services. so literally the entrepreneur muscle woke up in my brain for the first time ever and it said it spoke to me i can i can even now it still does this it might sound like i'm a crazy person but it will say but once you turn it on people all the time come up with ideas well if you come up with ideas a lot this entrepreneur muscles got turned on in your brain then you have to learn to control it because you have too many ideas right but basically there's a big house and it had a really messy garden and my brain spoke to me and it said that's a very valuable house those people that own that house have money that garden's really messy maybe they don't have time to keep it tidy so why don't you offer to tidy it up and get paid that was it i just knocked on the door fearful but leaning into fear and the person who answered the door i said hi my name's simon i'm starting a gardening company i wondered if i could take care of your garden and the guy looked at me up and down i think he knew you know that i wasn't a gardener but just maybe felt sorry for me and see I was trying to help myself right and said sure how much so I haven't had time to do it so sure how much you're gonna charge me and I just picked a number 200 pounds a month and he said sure let's try it he gave me a break that was it I was like okay so a lot of the times in my videos I'm trying to be the first customer for people because I imagine if he had said no I might have lost my confidence I'm knocking the door someone says no this is a silly idea I'm back in the street but the person said yes they became my first customer so a lot of people criticize me about I only give£100 or£200 to people.

52:38Now, I gave someone yesterday£20 ,000. So I give a lot more than£100. But sometimes that's all someone needs. They need just someone to be their first customer. If I give them all the money, it might make them weak. But if I become their first customer, just like that person did for me that day, it can be transformation instantly. That person said yes. Do you know the next five people all said no? I went and knocked on other doors and they all said no. But because I had that one person who believed in me, I knew it was possible. I just need to perfect my sales pitch, find a house that actually needed it, match the sales to the demand.

53:11And so without that person saying yes that day, who knows what would have happened? I've just had a revelation. So I did an audition for The Big Breakfast and I'd never had any live experience. I'd never done any presenting. I was a booker at a male model agency. It was with Chris Evans. I auditioned with Chris Evans. I remember Big Breakfast very well. And I loved it. And I didn't get it. I didn't have the experience. I was like, it's just brand new and everything. But one of the guys said, I think you're good. Right. And he said, I'm going to write you letters and let you know other people who are looking.

53:46And that one guy saying, you haven't got the job, which I didn't mind, but I think you're good, meant so much to me. What a difference. Every failure I got after that, 37 failures. Yeah. I just thought I just haven't got the yes yet. It's often the, I've interviewed 200 of the world's most successful entrepreneurs. And when I dig into this point here, nearly every single person has had that moment happen to them that was successful. So this is why I took off self-made millionaire from my bio. It's not possible to be self-made. Impossible. Anyone that's been successful, anyone had someone believe in them.

54:26Now, ideally, your parents. But sometimes the parents don't know what belief looks like because if you take advice, you've got to take advice from people who have a life you want. Sometimes they haven't got the life you want. They don't know how to advise you. Maybe your parents weren't broadcasters. They don't know what that looks like. But that person, by the way, they sent their list out for free, right? Yeah. What did they get out of it? Nothing. Sometimes the most amazing value, I get this. I mean, I started helping people with their businesses 25 years ago. As soon as my first business made money and people started asking me, or how do I write a letter to get people to buy my product?

55:01I started giving people advice a long time ago for free. How can I use what I know to help someone? Now, I always encourage people to give five, right? It only takes five minutes. You can be rich or you can be poor. Everyone's got five minutes today and they've got some sort of knowledge or skill or the ability to listen. Sometimes that's just half of it. Just listen to someone's problem and be there. Right? You don't have to. I give money and I give my time. You don't have to do that. You can just listen and help. Yeah. Right? And to me, it's like, again, I've got 17 million people that follow me.

55:31Imagine if we all helped one person today. Imagine everyone here. There's about, between my team and your team, there's about 10 people here. Yeah. Imagine if we all go outside and find one person struggling today and help them. Between us, a little bit of money, a little bit of encouragement, a little bit of support and filming, maybe an introduction to someone. we could change someone's life today in 10 minutes. I mean, we saw it before we recorded this today. We were outside in the street. Yeah. Well, the guy that you met, and he does that amazing business, and he helps kids, doesn't he? Yep.

56:00And kids that can't afford to go to the school. Exactly. Or where they want to go. And you were like, I'm going to get in contact with you, or you get in contact with me. If there are any kids that you think need my help, like, I can help you. Done. And I was like, ah! Exactly. You know. And it's not hard. And actually, do you know what's really, I want people to really pick up on this. It's like helping someone isn't you doing a good deed. It will make you sleep better. Yeah. Like I think half the antidote to all people's problems is just like, stop thinking about yourself so much, think about others.

56:30And, you know, we were talking about the embers in here and somebody blowing on the embers. It really blows on the embers and like feeds the fire in your soul. Yes. Well, I was using light in your eye. So good. You feel it, right? It's like being at a fireplace. Yeah, but you light the people's eyes. That's what's amazing. But at night you go to bed and you feel the warmth. And, you know, giving is receiving. You don't have to get something back. Just the act of giving is the warmth. You're amazing. I know you find compliments hard. I'm sorry. I do, I do. I'm just going to, like, shower you with them.

57:13I'm going to try and accept them. I think my community is amazing. This is the thing I find that keeps me going. Because I do get a lot of hate online and I find it really odd. And I'm like, I think because people just assume it's a scam. There's lots of negative vibes around people that are trying to do it. It's very hard for negative people to accept that somebody is just good. And I'm constantly wondering on this podcast, I ask a lot, how are you a nice person? How are you positive? How are you grateful? And again and again, it comes from darkness. Yes, of course, pain. Pain. Pain powers purpose.

57:53It's 100 % where it comes from. And I am just grateful for fucking everything. Yeah. Being grateful is a very powerful thing. Oh, God. Yeah, even like I would say when I was younger, I was actually grateful that I was alive, you know, the fact that I wasn't living how I wanted to live. just that I think that kept me going through some difficult times actually that being grateful thing like you said earlier when I had that small room I was so grateful but maybe I would never have been appreciative of that small room if I hadn't had difficult moments before you know like that that being grateful thing is so it's so hard to do in the moment because sometimes if you're having a hard day or you're having a hard time being grateful is very difficult yes but you know and And it's easy to say it.

58:34Be grateful. But I could be grateful. I think it's also finding gratitude in the smallest things. I could be grateful for a smile. If you're having a bad day and someone in an office smiles at you or you have a meeting and they smile at you or they ask you how you're doing, be grateful for that. Some people don't get anything for weeks, you know, or they're alone all the time. Or I don't know. There's always something to be grateful for. But what I think is interesting is that it is the hardship that gives you the gratitude because it's been bad for you. And you have to get out of the hardship to see it.

59:12That's the thing. But how do you get out of the hardship? It's something I see a lot of pain in people. And sometimes the pain. You believing in them. That's what I was going to. Yeah, totally. That's it. Sometimes, you know, pain, it can be used to fuel you. and even the smallest of pains I don't want people to think it has to be a really really bad pain it can be any sort of pain it can power you up and people should leverage it Yes, well that's an interesting word leveraging your pain that's making a positive isn't it I did quickly want to, before I end I feel like I want to help you a little bit with these people that don't like you because it's a really interesting thing.

1:00:01You are a good person doing good things that wants good things in the world. And it's a really weird energy when people, but there are just, I'm just letting you know, because I've been in this business and I know that probably 50 % of people, I'm like Marmite. I am fucking annoying to 50 % of people. And then 50 % of the people really like me. and that is just accepting that this is what everybody's like not everybody's going to like you or what you do but for some people abusing people online is a sport I have in my in past years I have and I don't do it anymore because I thought why am I doing this but I have engaged with someone they've gone oh god really sorry I didn't think you'd see it or oh I didn't mean to do it So it's put on the golden cloak.

1:00:59So my shield, I have a really cool looking cloak that's invisible, but I can see it. And it's got a hood because the head's really the important bit as well. So I put it over. It's really lovely. It's flowing. It's sparkly, obviously. It's sparkly. It's kind of lit a bit and it's sealed down the front and it covers me completely. and things bounce off it and it just bounces off and I don't feel it anymore. And it used to, it didn't hurt me and it didn't kind of stop me from doing something, but it annoyed me a bit because I thought, oh, I'm not that person that you think that I am. And I want to let you know that I'm not that person and you're not that person.

1:01:47And I'm just like reassuring you of that. Thank you. And I can make you a coat and telepathically cloak, send it to you if you like. I think when you hate on people, it's such an awful way to live. Just focus on what you can do that's good. Also, I do feel honestly that like a little fire, when people are like that, there's not even a cinder to blow on. Like it's gone out. And when that dies, something in you dies. and you're not going to be well in your skin or you're going to make yourself sick with negativity because we now know, we've seen enough podcasts and everything full of lovely people who tell us about positive thinking and you're saying you just need one person to believe in you.

1:02:34The power of that. So this person is coming along and I'm going, I'm going to be one person that doesn't believe in you. That they are trying to infect people with something that's been infected in them. You know, I'm going to finish this interview. I mean, I know what the answer is, but I would just like you to answer it by saying what's your dream? My dream. I mean, primarily, I would like the education system updated. I want people to be given more tools to live the life that they want, to realise that their dreams are possible. I want them to be asked what their dream is at school. I want them to realise that they're capable of anything.

1:03:14I don't want them to be trapped into a treadmill. Yes. I want the education system updated. The one that let me down when I left school at 15, it's not right. It's not right. It wasn't right when they invented Google. We didn't need this memorization exam system. It's not healthy. It's not good. It needs to be updated. At the same time, I want my son to grow up in a world where we're kind to each other. Like I want to leave him a place where actually being nice is normal. It's not the exception. And running businesses that actually do good in the world, that make a difference in people's lives, that care about their employees.

1:03:44These companies that just make money for the sake of it, they're wrong. They should do something with that money to help society. I want my son to see that world so he can be a part of a world that's nice and kind. Yeah. Thank you, Simon. Thank you for having me on. Oh, my God.