Your Ultimate Guide To Starting Over!

13 Nov 2025 · 48 min

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Podcast Summary: Begin Again with Davina McCall

Episode Title

Your Ultimate Guide To Starting Over!

Episode Overview In this celebratory episode, Davina McCall reflects on a year of inspiring conversations with guests who shared their journeys of starting over. The episode compiles six key insights from various experts on transformation through topics such as love, sex, purpose, and grief, offering a soul-stirring guide to embracing life changes.

Key Guests and Insights

  • Paul C. Brunson: Dating in Midlife
  • Discusses reframing midlife dating as an opportunity for deeper connection rather than compromise.
  • Highlights the shift in relationship satisfaction, noting that many married individuals feel unsatisfied, thereby opening the door for those in their 40s and 50s to find fulfillment.
  • Cindy Gallop: Owning Your Sexual Confidence
  • Encourages listeners to identify their sexual values, which form the foundation for healthy intimate relationships.
  • Stresses the importance of being true to oneself and cultivating sexual honesty to improve life satisfaction.
  • Robin Sharma: Mindset for Change
  • Shares a morning protocol consisting of five questions to maximize daily happiness and focus:
  • What am I grateful for?
  • Where am I winning?
  • What must I let go of?
  • What does my ideal day look like?
  • What needs to be said at the end?
  • Emphasizes that connecting to mortality can inspire more meaningful living.
  • Gail McNeill: Finding Freedom by Letting Go
  • Narrates her transformative experience of decluttering her life by giving away her possessions, leading to a greater sense of freedom and clarity.
  • Andi Oliver: Navigating Grief with Grace
  • Reflects on the profound impact of losing her brother and the importance of honoring memories while moving forward in life.
  • Richard E. Grant: Rediscovering Joy After Loss
  • Shares his personal methods for coping with the loss of his wife, emphasizing ongoing connection through writing and the search for daily joy amidst grief.

Personal Reflections from Davina

  • Davina shares her journey and expresses gratitude for the support and stories from the podcast community.
  • Highlights the importance of second chances and the continuous opportunity to begin again at any stage of life.

Key Takeaways

  • Transformation often requires a change in mindset, focusing on the present and letting go of past burdens.
  • Midlife can be an enriching time for personal growth and relationship development.
  • Vulnerability and honesty about one’s values are crucial in fostering meaningful connections, both romantic and platonic.
  • Embracing grief can lead to deeper appreciation for life and the relationships we cherish.

Conclusion This episode serves as a powerful reminder that starting over is a universal experience, encouraging listeners to approach midlife changes with courage, clarity, and heart. Davina concludes with a heartfelt thank you for the community's support and invites listeners to continue the journey of transformation together.

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0:00Are we ready?

0:05the entire reason i started begin again is i want our listeners and viewers to have the opportunity to start over and over and over so that they can live a life that they love and that they have loved and that they feel proud of and i want everybody to believe that they can find the thing

0:58It's Rita everyone! Ladies and gentlemen, the building!

1:14Can you believe it? One whole year of Begin Again. Over the past 12 months, we've had the honour of sitting down with some really incredible guests. people who've taught us how to start over, how to move when we feel really stuck and how to find light when things feel dark or uncertain. We've looked at everything from grief and love to dating, careers and of course the magic of midlife and for this very special episode we thought we'd give you something back because none of this would have been possible without your support, your shares, your comments and most powerfully your own begin-again stories.

2:01So thank you so much for those. Honestly you've moved us so much just time and time again and we really really love you. So today as a little treat we've put together a guide of the most unforgettable advice, wisdom and golden nuggets that we've been gifted over the past year. One of the very first conversations we had was on a topic that's as beautiful as it is complicated, and that's love. And very few people speak to that better than Paul C. Bronson. He helped us reframe dating in a way, and especially in midlife, not as a compromise, but as a chance to connect more deeply than ever before.

2:47so you said something earlier about guys looking for somebody half their age plus seven and women looking for somebody older how are we ever going to meet each other in our 50s if that's the case our 40s 40s 50s in midlife yeah well one is that's the old slowly going away has it gone away no but that's that's one yeah that's one secondly is is on upside is there are more people in the 50 plus dating market looking for partners than ever before ever before uh so i mean half of me is quite sad about that but half of me is quite happy because for the 50 and 40 year olds like well done yes yeah and and the reason why i feel so happy i'm i'm more happy okay because all right I'm going to connect it to research.

3:36Yeah, yeah. So Eli Finkel out of New York has done some research around the satisfaction rate in relationships, in marriages. He found that 80 % of marriages today are not, they don't feel satisfied with their partner. 80 %? 80. Oh, my God. 80%. That's sad. 80%. Whereas 20 % feel as satisfied or more satisfied than ever. Now, what does that mean? And how do I relate that to being happy with the 50 plus market? So to me, that means, okay, the 20%, this is great. And they're probably so happy because they have so many tools today, so many great podcasts, et cetera, to listen to. This is good. The 80 % are not satisfied, but they're staying in the relationship anyway.

4:26So when I see people break away from that relationship, typically I'm happy. what I'm really sad about are those that stay. You know, it's one thing to be alone, but it's another thing to be in a relationship and still feel alone. That is just incredibly sad. So if you are 50 plus single sexy out here, I'm like, okay, yes, you go get yours now. You go get yours. And the beauty is you could get yours any way you wanted. You don't have to get married. You can have a committed relationship. You can choose to have a polyamorous relationship. You could choose to have whatever formation you want, but you now have the availability to do it.

5:14And because there are more 50 plus than ever before, the pool is larger. There's more tools now to connect. So from that standpoint, I'm optimistic about that. The other thing is when you look at the ages in which people are getting married, you still have the, I think, mid-30s is the number one age range for marriage. But number two is right around 50. So you have a lot of people who have reentered the dating market for whatever reason, empty nest, et cetera. And they're deciding and they're finding partners. and they're finding partners and they're entering relationships that are much stronger than any relationship they've ever had.

5:59It sounds like you and your wife talk a lot, you know, and I, and I, it always makes me laugh, this idea of a couple being married for such a long time. And then, you know, sometimes people say to me, like, it's got to the point where he'll go, fancy a shag tonight. You know, like it's literally that kind of, that's foreplay. And then, But actually, if they said having a drink or something on a sofa, I'm trying to picture kind of how that could sound better. It would be like, if I was to take you to bed tonight, what would you like me to do to you? Or what would you like to do together? And you go, what are you talking about?

6:35And you go, I'm just asking. And then you start talking about it. And then bang, like you're already in the mood. Yes. So you know what the issue here is? And this is something that, guys, fellas, we have to stop this. or I'm sorry, we have to appreciate this, is that we are all turned on. And when I say turned on is there's what's called spontaneity, spontaneous sex. And then there's others who it takes us longer to, let I say, warm up to sex. I think that's men and women, isn't it? Exactly. Men and women. So there's a big gender difference. And then also in terms of age. So, fellas, if you have a wife and she's in her 40s or 50s or 60s, you coming home and saying, let's get it on right now, it's not going down the way that you want it.

7:26So that's one thing is that we have to appreciate that. The other thing is that we have to step outside of the script. Now, there is a standard script that happens in heterosexual sex. and what happens is you could imagine if that is what you're used to and you're a woman who doesn't climax as a result of that there's no orgasm as a result of that and we know that there's a massive orgasm gap you know that after that has happened time and time and time again you're not going to want to do it you don't want it definitely you don't want that you definitely don't want to secretly go upstairs find your toy make yourself happy good night good night you much rather than toy.

8:01You know, men, we have to understand that this is happening. It's not about us. It is about we in this. That it's like, when you do these things together, it opens up the opportunity to talk and discuss. Right. So this is so absolutely incredibly important. The other thing I'd like to say, um, to, I mean, I guess in same sex marriages for women, I guess it would be the same thing, but I think intrinsically a woman would understand a woman and a woman's needs. But is that sometimes for women foreplay is literally like cooking a meal together in the evening. You get home or asking how the day was, saying, would you like a glass of wine or shall I make you a cup of tea?

8:46That is foreplay because if you've had an evening where you've not communicated at all, you get into bed and you go, right, let's. Even if you're not saying Francis Shag, but the hand goes on the back, you think, I know what this means. I know. I see that play out so many times that actually the whole evening is foreplay. If you think that you want sex, like, warm us up, you know, it's like that's so important. What I say is that foreplay begins the moment that sex has ended. That's really where it begins. You are so right. For the next time, right? For the next time. Absolutely. Yes, Paul! This is it.

9:32This is it. This is it. Oh, my God, that is so good. That's where it begins. Oh, that's actually made me feel amazing. Like, I just think that is actually it. How nice would that be for so many women if suddenly, like, the guys were behaving as if even if it was coming in two or three days' time, it's like, I'm going to start right now. Paul's advice. just lands doesn't it and I love that bit about foreplay so good he doesn't over complicate things and he really helps us see love with fresh eyes especially when we think we've seen it all already now speaking of love we've got to talk about sex one of my all-time favorite guests and I know so many of you would agree was the one and only Cindy Gallop she lit a fire in all of our bellies showing us how to unlock our truest selves through sexual confidence and honesty

10:32what i'm talking about is identifying your core values and okay so in life not not just around sex no no no no okay in in life yeah but but i'll come on to how that applies to sex you know um because when you do that, I mean, first of all, that makes life so much easier. Life still throws you all the shit it always will, but you know exactly how to respond to that shit in any given situation in a way that is true to you. Yes. And that really is the secret of happiness, living your life, working your work in a way that is always true to your values. And when you do that, when you know you're being true to yourself, you do not care what anybody else thinks.

11:11That gives you confidence because you know you're always being true to you. Cindy, hold my hands again. Wait. I've just had a feeling.

11:22Oh, my God. I feel like I'm going to cry. Sorry. Oh, my gosh. That's amazing. I'll tell you why. I think what you're describing is somebody genuinely being themselves. Absolutely. Absolutely. And how there's something. My partner became Michael last year. I think I saw it happen. we were at a party and something happened and I looked at him and I was like oh wow like look how happy like he was kind of throwing some shapes he was doing this thing and I was like oh my god he's so free and I had a lot going on last year I know I'm so glad you came through that and I spoke to him this year New Year's Eve and he's like right this year it's going to be a great year and I said this year last year I watched you become you and I said this year I'd love to really really become you because part of me has always been a people pleaser which is slightly doing things that other people want me to do or expect me to do get over that and from that not letting go and I've had a couple of revelations already in January that have been absolutely amazing what you're describing there setting out your values.

12:44What it did was it made me feel the possibility of really, that's what it spoke to me. That's what I felt you were telling me. Good. Wow. Okay. I'm okay. I've swallowed it. Good. I haven't cried. Let's crack on. Good. Because there's a second very important part of this. Because, so I designed my business, Make Love Not Porn, around all my personal beliefs and philosophies, one of which is, as I've just said, that everything in life starts with you and your values. So I regularly ask people this question, what are your sexual values? And nobody can ever answer me because we're not taught to think like that.

13:25Our parents bring us up to have good manners, a work ethic, sense of responsibility, accountability. Nobody ever brings us up to behave well in bed, but they should because in bed values like empathy yes sensitivity generosity kindness honesty trust respect are as important as those values are in every other area of our lives where we're actually taught to exercise them and so you know this is a concept of good sexual values that we're pioneering at make love not porn because as i say it is bizarrely alien to the world and to popular culture, but it's simply about being yourself across every area of your life and your experience, including your sex life.

14:13And there are, you know, to your point about people pleasing, Davina, and that absolutely goes on in bed, there are an awful lot of people out there having very bad sex, not having the sex they want to have, because they have not looked within themselves, identified what they value in a sexual context, and set out to have that part of their lives be as true to themselves as ideally every other part should be. I think what's interesting when you think about that is that there are so many different aspects to sex that for some people would be 100 % acceptable. So, you know, I guess you could go from somebody who loves just totally vanilla sex, missionary position, doesn't really want to go far from that, that's where they feel happiest, to somebody who loves all the different positions, to somebody who is into BDSM.

15:13I mean, if you're into something from at that end of the range, the BDSM, it's going to be quite hard to find a partner. How do you lay that out at a date or something? So that's the really interesting point, Dabina, because actually it's not hard to find a partner because you can absolutely go to websites like, you know, FetLife or Field, to give just a couple of examples, which are specifically for people who want to explore, you know, kink, BDSM, you know, threesomes, etc. But I think the much more interesting thing to reflect on is precisely the question you've just asked, which is, you know, for example, on a first date, we are really happy going, oh, yeah, I like Thai food.

16:02Or I love vacationing in France. But we are not comfortable going, oh, yeah, and in bed, I really like this. Or it's really important to me that whoever I have sex with is this. And I mean, this is something that I and many other people, equally with sex-positive ventures and causes, are all trying to make it happen, which is make it as easy to talk openly and honestly about ourselves sexually as we do again with any other aspect of what we are into or what we're not into. And equally, by the way, you've discovered you like Thai food because you actually were brave enough to go to the local Thai and try it.

16:46Then you might have gone, wow, I love this. I'm going to go on vacation to Bangkok. So you explored. But again, a lot of people do not do that sexually and don't feel able to do that You know, because this is absolutely the universal air of human experience we're all most engaged with, most fascinated by and most fucked up about. And that means that you may never find out what you really, really enjoy because you're going, oh, it's kinky or, oh, my God, I can't possibly do that. And again, everyone should feel free to explore or not as they wish.

17:22I think so many of us absolutely adored Cindy because she gave us permission permission to be a bit curious unapologetic empowered no matter what our age or experience is anyway now something that I found deeply personal on this journey and he's just amazing on talking about resetting, rewiring, just changing the way that we see life. And he just does it so brilliantly. It's Robin Sharma. He reminded us that we get to choose how we start each day and how we carry ourselves through it.

18:11We're born into genius and too many good souls get resigned into ordinary. When we're little, When we're little kids, we don't hate. When we're little kids, we have a sparkle in our eye. When we're little kids, we love doing our art. When we're little kids, we are possibilitarians. And then we do get it knocked out of us. We are taught to think like everyone else. I mean, we don't celebrate the free thinkers, but I think free thinking in this world we live in is a radical act versus groupthink. But why do we get to 40, 50, or 60 and then start waking up again? I believe it's because we start to connect with our mortality.

18:54When we're 20 years old, we have a huge runway. We're never going to die is what we think. When we reach the halftime point of our life and when we start thinking about beginning again, we realize the shortness of life. And one of my favorite acronyms is KDC, keep death close. KDC, keep death close. And I have a morning protocol. And part of that protocol is asking myself a question. What needs to be said at the end? Yes. And I, because there are five things, right? You wake up in the morning. Amazing. And that's the last one. Right. So tell me, what do you mean by that? I was, that was going to be one of my questions too.

19:35It's weird that, well, there's nothing weird. This is completely as it's supposed to be. What does that mean? So the tool is the five, just to be of service to your many viewers and listeners, the protocol as part of the morning routine is called the five question morning maximizer. And these are five questions to ask yourself each morning and then just write a paragraph or two in your journal. And my clients have found it really valuable to be happier and more focused and more alive in their days. So the first question is, what am I grateful for? We know that gratitude is the antidote to fear.

20:10Second question is, where am I winning? So we start celebrating some micro wins because the human brain has a negativity bias. We're always looking for what's missing and what's not working. This reframes it. Third question is, what must I let go of? Yeah. And we can talk about, you know, one of the great spiritual skills or leadership skills is learning to let go. Learning to let go of betrayals, disappointments, the past. fourth question is what does my ideal day had look like so you have a little script so you're setting some intentions and that brings us to the fifth question what needs to be said at the end and the more we can connect to the shortness of life the more we can connect to our mortality the more we're going to start to live to the point versus being busy being busy spending our days chasing trivial pursuits and i think if we could just connect to our mortality every morning and strip away complexity and administrivia and even holding back the love in our hearts, holding back on the things our instinct says we should do, but we're, oh, what if I fail?

21:16What if I'm laughed at? What if I look like a kook? And we just live from that instinct. I think we'd be so much happier in our lives. So when you say at the end, you mean at the end of our lives you know it's like how am I gonna feel on my deathbed I I turned down a job I fell in love at 50 and I turned down a job that would mean that I probably wouldn't be able to be with my boyfriend in the evenings because I'd have to get up so early to go to work because I thought to myself, on my deathbed, will I be pleased I did that job or will I be sad I didn't spend more time with Michael? And I thought, I want to spend more time with Michael.

22:03So it's quite good when you think of that, like, is that what you mean by that? That's exactly what I mean. Another little mental tool that I use is, thank goodness I'm healthy. but if I'm lucky, I have 25 years left to live, maybe 30. And so I call this my 25 summers question. So when I'm about to make a decision, I say, well, I roughly have 25 Christmases left, 25 summers. Wow, that's quite sobering when you say it like that. When you say it like that, you say, okay, I better get this done, or I better do this ethical ambition, or I better take this risk, or I better chase that love story. So I think death is not depressing.

22:53Thinking about death is not depressing. I think thinking about death is actually inspiring because then it just sharpens you on what's most important in life.

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25:45one day I went into a room and I went into this room and I thought when was the last time I was in this room and then I realized why are we living in this massive house it's not it's costing us lots of money to run but we don't need it there's two people and something happened to you in this room? I was in this room thinking, what am I doing? What? You know, I've got this huge house that I'm maintaining, painting and huge garden. There's two of us. You know, how long do I do this for? Do you know, how long do you do this whole kind of groundhog day? Because there's so much more to life. And you kind of realize, well, I've got two beautiful cars.

26:26I've got this beautiful house. I'm not doing anything. My son's off traveling the world. He's having an amazing time, I'm maintaining this house and working really hard to maintain this house. Right. So you were just working to fix the things, to feed the beast. Yeah, to feed the beast. Yeah. And it was like a loop. It was until I watched Up in the Air with George Clooney. He's got a lot to answer for, George. Because I was watching George Clooney and in it he says, imagine everything you own in a backpack. Now put your belongings in there, put your family in there, and imagine how heavy that is.

27:00I don't remember watching the rest of the programme, the rest of the film, because I was so stuck on that thought of holding everything I owned in a backpack. And I suddenly thought, oh, wouldn't it be amazing to get rid of everything I own? Wouldn't that be amazing? But I don't understand, Gail. Because I'm pre-you. You're still feeding the beast. I'm still feeding the beast. and I don't understand this is huge oh it's massive it's a massive thing I mean but I don't understand how that happened it these are huge changes that you're thinking about yeah but it can be just I'm I'm quite spontaneous yeah and it was just that it was just him saying that line imagine everything you owned in a backpack and I thought imagine if you could put everything you owned in a backpack how amazing how agile would you be you wouldn't be burdened because everything you own, you have to take care of it.

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27:56You have to keep it warm. You have to keep it clean. You have to protect it. You have to stop people from stealing it. You know, it's all things, anything that's worth anything, you've, oh, you've got to take care of it or you've got to get it insured and on and on. And I thought, well, what if I don't own anything? What if I, what if I literally have a few clothes and things that I can't let go of? Luckily, I've got a very tolerant husband who, when I said, I want to sell the house and I want to get rid of everything, he said, okay and I said but I mean everything he said yeah okay that's fine so this task of having this huge house full of furniture full of stuff I then had to start the process of decluttering and getting rid of everything which is huge what was that like everything you need is within yourself everything you need is within yourself so all these things actually mean nothing I'm not very sentimental when it comes to things so I started by getting rid of big things but then I mean I would I would have loved it if everything would have gone in a backpack but sadly with documents and pieces of paper and bits and bobs we ended up with 10 boxes 10 boxes 10 boxes can I tell your whole life was in 10 books yeah well I mean I want to shake your hand for that like congratulations 10 oh it's been honestly if you get the chance to just experience that for a short while you I mean, in five years' time, you might be my George Clooney.

29:23Oh, could be. Your life sounds amazing to me. But it is now, but in a different way. So when I had my lovely sports car, my lovely four-wheel drive, and I was just like, oh, my God, you're excited about achieving it. I thought, oh, you know, I can get this amazing car. But when you get the car, you drive it for an hour, and you're like, oh, it's actually just a car. And so they're actually, like you said, they become a prison. They become a stress. Yes. And I remember when I had one of my biggest paychecks and I had everything I ever wanted, my first thought was, how can I get out of this situation?

29:57How can I stop wanting more? How can I not have this big house? How can I not have these cars? And how can I be happy? One of the things that I felt about your period of needing more was a feeling of control, like controlling I need this I've got to control that I've got to and that actually what you did was just a massive let go yeah did it feel like that to you maybe control but I think I was just so driven to be successful I don't know why I was driven to be so successful but it was it was just this burning urge to be successful and to have everything I'd ever dreamt of and then when I did let go, I let go, I really let go.

30:45I let go of everything I'd ever wanted. I thought I wanted but it was not what I needed. We all want these things, don't we? But at the end of the day, do we need them? You don't need a lot to be happy. So when I let go of all these things, every time something left the house, I felt this amazing feeling of freedom. Gail's story is an amazing reminder, isn't it, that sometimes the less we carry, the freer we feel. And of course, we can't talk about starting again without talking about endings. Grief has been a bit of a recurring theme here on Begin Again, and we've been so lucky to learn from people who faced it with such courage and grace.

31:32And one of them is my dearest friend Andy Oliver. After losing her brother Sean she shared something that has stayed with me ever since.

31:46On his gravestone it says he who burns twice as bright burns half as long and there's a shooting star on his gravestone and it's never truer, never a truer word was spoken and when it relates to my brother. And I, you know, the further away I get from it, the more grateful I am that I had him at all. Yes. And the further away I get from it, I understand that life is what happens to you when you're here and what you do with that period of time. Some people live till they're 95 and don't make any impact at all. You know, there's a sadness to that, a deep sadness. And I think of Sean's funeral. Remember the funeral?

32:29there were people that you couldn't get into the crematorium there were people it was a sunny day it was like it was like the royal death that happened on nabbit grove the whole place went still the hearse came up the road lined on the streets and all around the outside of the crematorium there's like banks and there were black people four deep on the banks outside the crematorium and that's a testament to my brother and what he did with the time that he had here and that's a beautiful powerful thing and his children are incredible his grandchildren are extraordinary and I get to have them and be them and I get to be his sister forever you know that's the other thing I'm like so proud that that was my brother and that I got to have that with him that we got to tour the world we got to be in this incredible band together and do all this extraordinary things in this really short space of time you know so I there's a as an older person I have so much gratitude for having him at all and I remember I don't know if I've told you this but I think I might have told you when you and Sarah came to do Staring Up with me and Makita Margie Clark yes as an actress she was in that film um years ago something about Letter to Brezhnev it was called she was the lead and it's a brilliant Liberpardian actor just a fantastic woman and I met her after Shauna died I was with Viv Goldman walking up Portobello Road and there was a big bus there and Margie was filming and Margie brought us onto the bus and Viv said oh this is Andy and I was you know she was explaining to Margie what I was kept bursting into tears and Margie said Andy's brother died a few weeks ago and it was literally a couple of weeks later and uh Margie sat down and she took my hands and she said I lost my brother 23 years ago and I was like like it was like it was like water to a dying woman I'm hearing these words because I looked at her and I knew she understood and she said you'll it'll never go away but you'll find somewhere to keep it she said people will say lots of things to you and you probably swap them all to fuck off and I said sure and she said this is all I can give you and it was the greatest gift anybody could ever give me and it's turned out to be absolutely true it's never gone away but I find somewhere I've found a little quiet place within and that's where it lives the pain of it and every now and again it comes up like just now and it feels very recent and real and all over again I mean we were discussing before we started how mad it is that the last time I saw you because life is just so mad isn't it yeah we have to tell a week i was on your podcast and it was staring it up and it was a year ago to this week and we realized then oh my god it's actually the anniversary yeah of your brother dying this week and we've done it again and we've done it again this week knowing yeah or realizing we just realized at the car yeah last night a lady in bed i went hang on what day is it it's painful i was like my god we've done it again so this weekend it will be 35 years since Sean died absolutely so that to me see I feel like it's him though they are stardust the people we lose are stardust and they live in us they live all around us I believe this really firmly we've both lost enough people at this point in our lives you know I'm not a religious person but I do have a spiritual sense of the world that I cling to sometimes like it's a a lifeboat you know that sense of that this this that which we cannot put our fingers on that which is intangible and that understand that's what again coming back to these things about books and music these are those are the things that books and music help me to connect to is the stuff that we cannot imagine the stuff that's bigger than us that's greater than us that is outside of our control.

36:30It has nothing to do with what we decide and what we choose. It just is, you know. And after, I think, any great loss in your life, connecting to that is the thing that keeps you alive and keeps you going and keeps you inside your own body because somehow grief makes you leave your own body. You kind of float above yourself. You know, it took a good couple of years before I re-entered my body after Sean died, I was like hovering above for quite a long time. I felt when my sister died, I felt like the whole world just stopped spinning. And I'd go places and I'd think, oh, the world's still spinning for you.

37:07Like, I can't move forwards. Yeah. I'm literally stuck. And they're getting on with their lives, which they're meant to do. Yeah, which everybody's meant to do. But it was quite hard to explain that to somebody. Yeah. I always try to remember to check in with people who've lost someone because it is a weird it's after the funeral everybody goes back to getting on with their life you're fine just sitting there yeah it's a bit like having a baby actually it's the same thing like after the baby comes essentially because it's birth and death so birth and death after the baby comes this monumental thing happens in your life that changes you forever and everybody else is like really interested no lovely or oh poor you that's terrible nightmare and then they have to get on with their own lives so it's just normal but then you're sitting there going oh my god now I've got a baby what happens next you know or oh my god I've lost somebody how am I supposed to carry on and you find a way as I said to Andy in that episode grief doesn't mean forgetting it's about holding on in a new way about making space for love and loss to live side by side which then brings me on to one of the most emotional conversations I've had on this podcast It was with the wonderful Richard E.

38:22Grant after he lost his beloved wife Joan. And he found a way to honour her every day by just looking for a pocketful of happiness.

38:38The most difficult part, as always, as I'm sure you know, is what I call the steering wheel stuff. that at the end of the day, downloading everything. Saying, what was Davina like? What is her hair color? Do you think she dyes her hair? How much facial surgery has she had? I love that. What were her boots like? How long did it take you to get to the East End? Four years. All of that stuff that you just talk about during the day, or your observation of it, not being able to tell the other person anymore, I found, I thought, wow, this is like a sort of grand canyon of, you know, it's a bottomless hole.

39:15And in exactly the same way that I started keeping a diary when I was 10, and have continued to do so, I then, I now write to Joan every night. And I have no, you know, woolly spiritual delusion that she's hearing this or that I'm going to get a response. But I know in writing to her, it somehow makes, it keeps the connection going. Because I know what her response would be. Do you write Dear Joan? Yeah. So I write emails to her. I mean, I write in an email form that in a diary, but you know, Dear Joan, and today that this happened, this would really have amused you. I think we should do this.

39:56So it's somehow, it makes it feel like that person is still there. It's an ongoing conversation. Sorry, I interrupted you. No, don't. Do you not feel that she's still there? No. She's gone? Yeah. I mean, she's inside me and in my daughter and in the memory of our friends and I've got photographs of her around the house, but I don't, my father was unequivocal about saying that heaven and hell are human concepts and everything is the here and now. We only have one life. Nobody's come back and I haven't been able to find a better theory than that. So I take great comfort from the fact that it is her life has been completed in the same way that all the other people that I know and have never come back.

40:47So I have no, I'd like to have had faith that somehow when you die, I'm going to see all the pets and the people that I've loved in some other space. But I don't have any delusion that that is going to take place. And I find that reassuring. So are you reassured now about the end of your life? Yeah, yeah. And she said to me, would I bury her ashes underneath a cherry tree that we've got in this cottage in Gloucestershire? And that's the one thing that I have not been able to do. I've still got her ashes in the box that they came in. They're your sister. Sister, I can't bring myself to do that.

41:33And I know that people said, well, that's her last wish, but it might not be her actual ashes. I said, that doesn't really matter. It's just that is the last thing that I have of her physically. And I just can't bring myself to do that. Because I think, well, if I sell this house, or there's a rainstorm in the mud, illogical stuff. So I think just better to keep this in the box. I don't think it's illogical at all. well she asked that they be you know buried in the garden next to the cherry tree I do understand I understand you saying if there's rain or like if we sell like then she's left there yeah but that's that's not practical it's just an emotional you know thing so still stopping you from doing that I know sentimental old fool dot com yeah I do I do really understand that yeah Richard Davina I just quickly want to ask you pocket full of happiness yes where are you going to find that today I've already found it great so I was really hoping you were going to say that I was like please please let me be Richard's pocket full of happiness for today you are you are you are not that I want to be teacher's pet or anything but you know it's nice you are I'm very happy cheers cheers and you don't drink either that's another commonality that we have yeah well I basically am I mean if I did I'd be streaking around here so you know it would be a disaster they'd all think it was very funny but it would be a disaster for my career yeah would be yeah that's what my mum used to do she used to walk around and flash people and I'd look and she'd be naked underneath her coat up put the Put it away, mother.

43:18Yes. This year has been an incredible journey I will never forget. We've laughed, we've cried, we've grown together. And the best part is we're just getting started. We've got an incredible line-up ahead of guests who are going to inspire, comfort, challenge and keep us evolving and I just want to say thank you actually also to the whole team because I've been on quite a massive personal journey and coming here every week

44:02has at times kept me sane and it's meant a lot like this podcast has saved me. I've begun again. So I just want to thank all of the team from the bottom of my heart and thank you. You know, I started to begin again because I believed and I strongly believe still in second chances. And I love you, all my gang, and I love you and I love our guests. But thank you because something... has grown out of this and I'm so proud of it. And I feel very privileged to be able to be here in this seat. If you haven't already, it would mean the world to us if you like and subscribe and share the love. And as always, we'll see you next week.

44:57Love you. Thank you.

45:07Thank you.

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Paul C. Brunson on dating and intimacy in midlife

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Richard E. Grant on rediscovering joy after unimaginable loss

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