CZM Rewind: Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron on Enshittification and the Rot Economy

27:26Washington's got a really good one. All of those things start at these grassroots levels, and it's getting involved as a polity that makes a difference. I know it's easy to despair if you think you can't solve things individually through your own consumption choices. We've been told this for 40 years, that you have to vote with your wallet. The reason rich people want you to vote with your wallet is they have thicker wallets than you. You are always going to lose that election. So don't vote with your wallet. Be a citizen. Someone in the reception before this asked me about what advice I would give to tech workers, and statistically a bunch of you are probably tech workers.

28:05So the tech workers did have this chance to consolidate their power, and they missed So for a long time, one of the forces that constrain in shitification was workers themselves. Because tech workers are this uniquely constituted workforce historically. The tech sector has always had very low union density, but an enormous amount of worker power. And that's because tech workers were both very scarce and very, very valuable. The National Bureau of Economic Research estimates that the average tech worker in Silicon Valley in Seattle was adding a million dollars a year to their employer's bottom line.

28:38But that's why they gave you free kombucha and massages and why they'd hire a surgeon to freeze your eggs so you could work through your fertile years. It wasn't because they loved you, right? It was because they were afraid of you getting a job across the street. Now we know how tech bosses treat the workers they're not afraid of losing, right? That's the Amazon driver who's got the AI camera that takes points off if they look away from the road to check something to one side or the other and it decides that their eyeballs were in the wrong orientation. It's the warehouse workers that are injured at three times the rate of other warehouse workers in the sector.

29:14It's everyone who pees in a bottle. It's people who assemble iPhones in China and have suicide nets around the factory. That's how they treat the workers they're not afraid of. So there was this opportunity at one point for tech workers to use that power and consolidate it through a union and they missed it because tech workers thought that they were temporarily embarrassed founders. They didn't think that they were workers and they thought that because their bosses would meet them in monthly town hall meetings where they could ask impertinent questions about corporate strategy, that their bosses thought that they were peers.

29:46But your boss didn't think you were a peer. Your boss thought you were a problem to solve. And after half a million layoffs in the tech sector, they're not afraid of you anymore. There's other workers who will take your job. You can no longer say, I refuse to inshittify that thing I missed my mother's funeral to ship, and you can't hire someone else to replace me because they'll just fire you and hire someone else to replace you. And so now is the time to unionize. And it can... Yes. Also, if you have anything pertaining to the revenues or spend of Anthropic or OpenAI, you could email me that information.

30:22And I could add shit, piss, and fuck between the numbers. They love it in the podcast. And so, you know, it might feel like a bad time to be unionizing because we no longer have the National Labor Relations Board. as it was constituted under Biden. In fact, it's been so illegally denuded of commissioners that it can no longer form a quorum and investigate unfair labor practices. So it can feel like this is a bad time. But here's the category error Trump is making. Trump thinks that the reason we have unions is because we have the National Labor Relations Act. It's backwards, right? Long before unions were legal, we had unions, right?

30:59And the union piece represented by the National Labor Relations Act was brought about because bosses were scared of what their workers were doing to them at that point because militancy had gotten so intense that they sued for peace and that peace came in two parts part of the National Labor Relations Act describes what your boss can't do to you but a lot of the National Labor Relations Act is about what you can't do to your boss and one guess which half of the National Labor Relations Act has been most vigorously enforced so Trump thinks that we fired the referee and so that means all the players have to leave the field he's wrong when you fire the referee it means there's no more rules right and there's a reason that fascists attack unions first it's because the opposite of fascism is solidarity

31:52yes excellent answers all around and just to summarize what I heard was don't vote with your wallet unionize so take that out the door and EFA.EFF.org Plug it. Okay, my next question for you is one that a lot of people have been thinking about, which is the bubble. The bubble is coming. We've all heard about the bubble. Is the bubble real? This is Ed's department. What is going to happen? If we are tiny investors that have our 401k and index funds, what the fuck do we do? Buy long poles to dig through rubble with canned goods. Let's try again, Ed. Go back in time. But if you can't, know that gravity exists.

32:36Right now the market is going absolutely batshit insane. I'm not a stock analyst. I cannot give you financial advice. But right now number going up. So maybe you could... I don't own stocks. I'm a psychopath. They live in cash. They invest in words. The problem we have right now is that NVIDIA is the largest stock on the stock market. There has never been a more problematic fact than that. 88 % or more of their revenue is selling these fucking GPUs. You want to know what happens when you plug those GPUs in? They start losing you money. Nobody, not a single company, other than Nvidia, is making any kind of profit on AI.

33:12In fact, they're burning billions. The reason I tell you this is you can't really navigate away from the bubble right now, other than just selling, I imagine. So know what you're going into. Everything you're reading Oracle say right now about their relationship with OpenAI is bullshit. and to get specific is Oracle has a five year long $300 billion contract with OpenAI. Sounds amazing, right? They just need four and a half gigawatts of data center capacity. Any guesses how much they have? 200 megawatts. Now, don't worry. That's less than 400 gigawatts, right? That's a lot less. That's a lot less.

33:49And I must be clear, I actually mean power. IT load, they've got about $1.30. So, not to worry though, because OpenAI also doesn't have the money. Nevertheless, the stock is run. AMD now has a deal where they're going to sell chips to OpenAI Who the fuck knows who's paying? Nvidia, same deal Whenever you see OpenAI involved, just don't Just don't do it There is no avoiding a bubble popping now There just isn't So the smartest thing you can do is Stick to the fundamentals We're going to get into the more hysterical phase now We're going to see some crazy shit I had someone suggest the other day That OpenAI may do a SPAC IPO I think it's insane, which is why it's possible do not let your money touch open ai under any circumstance that company is cancer i'd say the same thing about anthropic but just be aware that right now the stock market and all of the associated media is going to tell you oh there's a bubble i've read many places oh there's bubbles can be good they can never be good that's we don't call them bob i'd see it in multiple headlines like yeah but this is a good bubble yeah you know i've got the good kind of cancer I got the good kind of diarrhea Anyway The point is Knowledge is power here And you're going to look at the media And the media is going to say AI number go up, everything great Broadcom is going to ship 10 gigawatts of chips To open AI by the end of 2029 Costs 50 billion dollars In two and a half years To make a gigawatt of data center capacity Everyone is going to feel like they're saying That this is inevitable Know that it's not I realize I can't give you much better advice than that but just know that gravity exists this cannot succeed on top of the fact that everyone's unprofitable it's not actually that popular either chat GPT is very popular because a lot of people love being driven insane or trying to fuck it I think and terrible subscribe

35:46for me that's what my friends sorry Caleb but it's frustrating as well because I'm sure all of you have felt the poison of generative AI within your workplace and these people will tell you that you must learn, AI's coming you must learn to use AI, the reason it's not able to do your jobs is it's shit like I realise that all of this sounds maybe very elementary to you, sounds like most of you get it, you're going to keep reading that it's not the case, that it's replacing coders, it isn't, that is a fucking lie, everyone's saying it's Sundar Pichai, Sachin Nadella, Andy fucking Jassy. These chunder fucks love to say this stuff.

36:26It's not true. So really the advice I can give you is this is going to pop. It's going to happen. And act accordingly. So let me advance a theory of the less bad and more bad bubble, if not a good bubble. That would be nice. So some bubbles have productive residues and some don't, right? So Enron left nothing behind, right? Now, WorldCom, which was a grotesque fraud, some of you will remember, right? They raised billions of dollars claiming that they had orders for fiber. They dug up the streets all over the world. They put fiber in the ground. They didn't have the orders for the fiber. They stole billions of dollars from everyday investors, people who just wanted to go through their old age without starving to death or not having a roof over their head.

37:09The CEO died in prison, and it was good riddance. But there was still all that fiber in the ground, right? So I've got two gigabits symmetrical fiber at home in Burbank because AT &T bought some old dark fiber from WorldCom because fiber lasts forever, right? It's just it's glass. So once it's there, it is a productive residue, right? So what kind of bubbles are we living through? Well, crypto is not going to leave behind anything. Crypto is going to leave behind shitty Austrian economics and worse JPEGs, right? AI is actually going to leave behind some stuff. So if you want to think about like a post AI bubble world and I'm just I just got edits from my editor I wrote a book over the summer called the reverse Centaur's guide to life after AI and and I and if you want to think about a post AI world imagine what you would do if GPUs were ten cents on the dollar if there were a lot of skilled applied statisticians looking for work and And if you had a bunch of open source models that had barely been optimized and had a lot of room at the bottom, right?

38:15Corey, I've got to push back on this. Okay. These AI GPUs are mostly owned by private equity firms and big tech. The majority of the GPUs are not owned by people who will let them enter the market. And there are really not a ton of, like, if the idea is that GPUs, someone will work something out. Sure. But you don't think all the King's Horses and all the King's Men would have come up with something else? Because that's the thing. The thing that I worry about, the thing that terrifies me about this bubble is, this is not useful infrastructure at all. Everyone loves to say, oh, it's just like the dot-com bubble.

38:48It's nothing like that. It's not even like, at least the fiber was somewhat useful. These GPUs, the amount of power alone, and one of the reasons that OpenAI and Anthropic have been able to have their monopolies is because they have the capital. And no one's going to have the capital to run these things. I mean, they'll be selling A100s. they'll be paying you 50 cents an hour. It's just, what terrifies me is the, and I'm not saying you're doing this, that there are people already trying to rationalize this and say, well, and you were the one that actually told me the stories of the dot-com, where there were useful service space, because it was before AWS.

39:25I don't see that usefulness here. So I take your point. I think that there's going to be a lot of firms in receivership, right? I don't think that private equity bosses' preferences are going to enter into it. I think that there's going to be a lot of firms in receivership and I do think that when you contemplate the intersection of optimization of existing open source models you know think about what happened when when DeepSync entered the market right you've got Chinese firms that are prohibited from using the more advanced GPUs so rather than doing this sort of display of how serious they are about AI by spending as much money as they can they went they said okay well what can we juice out of, you know, previous generations of GPUs?

40:07And then they got some pretty impressive results. Yeah, but what result? Like, so they made it cheaper, sure. But what actually happened as a result of DeepSeat? Other than everyone, all of Silicon Valley went, didn't happen. Sure. They can't do it cheaper. They're Chinese. So my point is not about the market reality, it's the material reality. So I'm talking about what happens after the market pops, right? So, you know, I have seen people do interesting and useful things with AI. I think you've probably seen people do some useful and interesting. I'll give you an example. I was writing an essay, and I couldn't remember where I'd heard a quote I'd heard in a podcast.

40:41I couldn't remember which quote it was. So I downloaded Whisper, which is an open source model from OpenAI to my laptop, which doesn't have a GPU, right? A little commodity laptop. Through 30 hours of podcasts that I'd recently listened to at it, I got a full transcription in an hour. My fan didn't even turn on. That's awesome. Yeah. So I know tons of people who use this. And the title of the book, Reverse Centaur, refers to this idea from automation theory, where a centaur is someone who gets to use machines to assist them, a human head on a machine body. And so, you know, you're riding a bicycle, you're using a compiler.

41:13I thought it was a horse with human legs. Yes. And a reverse centaur is, that's right, a machine head on a human body. It's someone who's been conscripted to be a peripheral for a machine. Right. And when I, you know, I should say, you talked about good cancer, I have the least bad kind of cancer. I've got a very treatable form of cancer. But I'm paying a lot of attention to stories about cancer and, you know, open source models or AI models that can sometimes see solid mass tumors that radiologists miss. And if what we said was, we at the Kaiser Oncology Department are going to invest in a service that is going to sometimes ask our radiologists to take a second look to see if they miss something such that instead of doing 100 x-rays a day they're going to do 98 right then i would say as someone with cancer that sounds interesting to me i don't think anyone is pitching uh any uh oncology ward in the world on that i think the pitch is fire 90 of your oncologists fire 90 of your radiologists have the remainder babysit ai have them be the accountability sinks and moral crumple zones for a machine that is processing this stuff at a speed that no human could possibly account for, have them put their name at the bottom of it and have them absorb the blame for your cost-cutting measures.

42:32And so you know when I hear people talk about AI, right, I hear programmers talk about AI doing things that are useful. Like one that I've heard many programmers say is I had one data file in a weird format that for one as a one-off I needed to get into a different format and I had ways that I could check it and tell what was going on. And so I asked, I one-shotted it with an AI, I did some checksums and it was great and it saved me an hour. That's a centaur, right? Sure, but here's the thing. How many of those anecdotes actually exist in any given time and how many of them are... The DGX box that NVIDIA's launched, like, I could see a future where large language models are run locally, sure.

43:09Also, I question how much of the cancer-related stuff would actually be generative, but that's a separate discussion. Because one of the things these people do is they conflate AI, which has been around for a while, with generative. And my concern is that, I don't know, a lot of the anecdotal one-shot stuff, Carl Brown, Internet of Bugs, if any of you have ever seen it, fantastic YouTube channel, you should look him up, he's fucking brilliant. He said it makes the easy things easier and the harder things harder. If we could have that as client-side, awesome. But I don't really think any of this GPU infrastructure, even in receivership, you can already get Discount A100s, H100s, H200s.

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46:36I'll give you another example. I'm going to put my fingers between the tigers here. I really want to squeeze out one more example here. It's a really good one because it's about a non-profit people should be supporting as well. So there's a non-profit called the Human Rights Data Analysis Group, hrdag.org. It's run by some really brilliant mathematicians, statisticians. They started off doing statistical extrapolations of war crimes for human rights tribunals, mostly in The Hague, and talking about the aspects of war crimes that were not visible but could be statistically inferred from adjacent data.

47:08They did a project with Innocence Project New Orleans, where they used LLMs to identify the linguistic correlates of arrest reports that produced exonerations, and they used that to analyze a lot more arrest reports than they could otherwise, and they put that at the top of a funnel where lawyers and paralegals were able to accelerate their exoneration work. That's a new thing on this earth, right? It's very cool. And I'm like, okay, well, if these guys can accelerate that work with cheap hardware that today is out of reach, if they can figure out how to use open source models but make them more efficient because you've got all these skilled applied statisticians who are no longer caught up in the bubble, then I think we could see some useful things after the bubble.

47:48That's my argument for this is fiber in the ground and not shitty monkey JPEGs. Thank you both. We got there. So what I think I heard was we feel like the GPU infrastructure is just kind of fucked. That's not going to be useful afterwards. but also the actual technology itself could possibly be useful in a number of use cases that could be socially just. If workers get to decide how they use their tools, they generally will be able to make some good decisions about it. And new tools for workers who are skilled and get to decide how they use them, that's great. Look, I met a video editor who changed the eyelines of 200 extras in a crowd scene using a deepfake.

48:34and he was like yeah I was sitting over with the director we thought wouldn't this scene be really interesting if they were all looking that way instead of this way and they were able to do it and I'm like okay that's a new tool on this earth. Was that generative? Yeah it's a deep fake right they just move the eyeballs. Yeah but the deep fake is that generative AI because this is a really important point it's just because. Well they made new pixels where pixels didn't exist before by making an inference right. Right but that doesn't mean it's a transform of AI. The The reason I say this is not because you're wrong about that.

49:04That example's great. It's just, these pigs have got rich, conflating the useful with the useless. Okay. Okay. All right. Corey is also right with that. Thank you, sirs.

49:16I do have one small anecdote to add myself. Yes, I am of value. I work in the video games industry. Of course you are. I work in the narrative department, which means I write a lot of dialogue. and in my pipelines we've actually we have found a use for generative AI that doesn't steal anybody's work and makes us work about 15 % faster so what we've done is we got permission from our SAG actors to train our personal closed generative model on their voices plug that into what we call robo voice so our lines that do speech-to-text instead of the horrible Amazon poly monstrosity that's like hello my name is robot and what we're able to do is hear the lines and iterate on them faster so that we're done by the time we actually get to record with the sag actors at their sag fees and nobody has lost any work so i think my point is that's cool right like generative ai absolutely does have some uses is it worth burning down the planet i can't answer that for you it's a wednesday right but there are there are like there's baby and there's bath water and i think it behoves us all to continue to have the discussion right to not a hundred percent close the door and On that note we are going to switch to answering questions from the audience and I have one picked out already Since we're all adults here.

50:37I thought I would start with a spicy one which is Wouldn't slowing AI development in the United States just allow China to dominate all of us good. Oh Good good. So I I love hearing shit that was said about the Soviet Union said again, Oh no, what if we don't have chat GPT like China? Oh no, what would we ever do if we don't have a chat bot we can fuck like China? It's nonsense. The reason that China is pulling ahead of America in any way is because they have a massive renewables initiative and also terrible working conditions. But putting all that aside, that whole thing is built on an inherently xenophobic idea and also just nonsense, which is that America does not have the resources to get this.

51:26Nowhere ever has anywhere near this much money been shoved into one thing forever for years. Not the dot-com boom, not the Post-Telecommunications Act, which Corey probably knows way better than I do, but the other thing is$400 billion put into that nonsense. Nobody has ever had more chances and more money to do anything. Using China as a convenient excuse to spunk money every month is a fucking stupid idea, but also to develop what? Look at the last releases from open AI atlas. Oh wow a fucking web browser great I've never used one of those. Oh it can read the web page and then fuck up and not buy a thing Wow I can just take five edibles if I want to not use Amazon properly But in all seriousness, there is no development to be made that is not being made in America.

52:16Shit tons of talent. Tons of it Chinese, by the way. Tons of Chinese engineers, as you all know. Like, it's a very common thing. There is no development that's being missed. There's no... What are we going to... Oh, no. We can't hand Anthropic$5 billion a year to destroy it for no real reason. There's no... It's not a cogent argument because... look at what China seems to be doing about the same thing as America is with large language models with way less. That just, that says more about large language models than anything. So there's, there's a long history of saying that we should subsidize and protect America, large American firms to defend America against foreign firms.

52:58So for many, many years, the argument against breaking up AT &T was that they were our national champion and that they were keeping us safe from foreign aggressors. In the mid-1950s, AT &T was almost broken up. The DOD intervened to say that if we lost AT &T, if it wasn't intact, America might lose the Korean War. So AT &T won the Korean War because they got another 30 years, right? The only people arguably who won the Korean War were AT &T, including both sides in the Korean War. So somebody did. When the 80s rolled around, there was this long, 70s and the 80s rolled around, and we were once again thinking about breaking up AT &T, there was this long argument about how there was this belligerent foreign power in the Pacific Rim that they weren't original, they stole our IP and cloned our technology, and they would destroy our high-tech industries if we did not have a giant company to defend us against them.

53:57That country was Japan. Now, it turns out that the major project of AT &T was not defending America from Japan. It was preventing Americans from getting modems. Because AT &T really did not want you and anyone else in America to be able to provide a service to one another without them being able to veto it or charge rent on it, right? If you think about like the rollout of caller ID, $6.99 per month when it rolled out, right? This was what it cost you to find out who was calling you before you picked up the phone. You can't do that once people have modems. There is no caller ID for email, right?

54:34If your email provider says, until you click the message in the list pane, you don't get to find out who the from address is. You would just change email providers. So by controlling the network, by centralizing the network, they were able to just basically like kneel on the throat of the American tech industry. And so it is always the case that when we defend monopolists in order to prevent foreign firms from destroying our high-tech sectors, what we're actually doing is we are defending the firms that are structuring and controlling the market domestically for our own innovation. So these very large firms that are doing AI now, AI is only like one of the things they do.

55:15Obviously, we have Anthropic and OpenAI, but Microsoft, Google, Apple, Oracle, these are firms that are effectively market structures. They get to decide what products exist and what products don't exist, how much they're going to cost, and who can see them and who can use them. And when we defend them in the name of preventing China from pulling ahead in AI, what we're effectively doing is we're saying that we should maintain this shadow FTC that has more power than the FTC ever managed to exercise, but that never exercises it in the interest of the American public, but only in the interest of their shareholders.

55:48Thank you.

55:53All right, we have about five minutes left, and I run a tight ship, so this is the last question. So the question is, I have a high school senior who is technically minded. Ten years ago, I would have told her to get a CS degree and go into tech. What should you tell someone to study now? Finance. It's interesting. I want to tell you a little story. So I taught myself economics in this past year and a half. I'm a fucking idiot. I just want to be really clear I'm don't consider myself particularly smart. I have you feels up to you point is the world right now the media Tons of analysts tons of tech founders don't know shit from fuck those are technical terms In all seriousness finance is not as difficult or complex as it sounds and indeed the world runs on money But also these corporate structures are run fairly simply, but they dress them up in these confusing and annoying terms that actually when you break them down are pretty simple.

56:52There are people to blame. They've got houses. They're very flammable. But in all seriousness, these people, they're empowered through ignorance. They're not powered through ability, intelligence, or even making good products. They're powerful because we have, and I'm not trying to sound paranoid, this is just the truth, media that in many cases does not understand the things they're writing about or indeed have the capability of reading an earnings statement. This stuff seems very scary. You may say, I'm not a numbers person. I couldn't possibly. You are a numbers person. It's not that. It really isn't.

57:27If I can do it, I failed mathematics years and years in a row. It really is fairly straightforward. They literally format things to make them boring. They word them to make them seem confusing. You can pick apart corporate structure. Any one of you can do it. That is where anyone can have an effect. I think a high schooler could do it. You want to change the world, you pull away their power, you take away their ability to obfuscate their wealth and the way they accumulate power by learning how these things work. I've written a lot about it. Everything you read, it's so long because I'm learning as I go.

58:00It's 10 ,000 words because I'm teaching myself like, what the fuck is this? Anyone can do this. You want to teach a young person anything? Honestly, teach them who the fuck Milton Friedman was. Teach them how the world got the way it got but also learn about how companies are structured it is not that complex and the reason that you get knocked off course is because the powerful people go no it's not it's not that simple it's actually very mystical sam altman is not just a con artist he's not just a guy that's really good at convincing rich people to give him money he has secret brilliance no he doesn't these people none of these people do they're mckinsey eggplants like these fucking people long story short learn finance seriously and you don't have to go to school it's good advice you know there's this idea uh from the finance sector this acronym migo my eyes glaze over it's when you it's when you lard so much complexity in a prospectus that no one can get through it and they assume that a pile of shit that big has to have a pony underneath it i have i have different advice though uh so my daughter started college this year and she wasn't sure what to do.

59:05We had a lot of talks about what to do. She didn't take my advice, but I'll tell you what I told her, which is that if you don't know what you want to do at university, don't go to university, go to college and become an electrician. Absolutely. There is so much work for electricians and we are going to be solarizing for the next 40 years. There's going to be infinity work for electricians. It's like being a plumber, but you don't have to touch poo. You can be, an electrician who just does emergency call-outs when money's getting low and you charge 500 bucks an hour. You can be an electrician on a cruise ship.

59:39You can be a theater kid. You can be an electrician on a job site. You can be an electrician for the government. You can be an electrician on a battleship. You can go abroad and be an electrician because electricity is the same, right? There's so, and it's interesting work, and you get paid on the job, right? You get paid for your apprenticeship. And you can be in a union. And if you decide later you want to learn more and you like it you can become an ENG And if you don't you can put yourself through college by being an electrician and learn finance and one other thing Seriously, I've talked to basically every power analyst that's this point or read their work And I will say there's always space for someone who knows electricity and 100 % you will make so much I'm not kidding.

1:00:27There are people who pay you$1 ,500 an hour. Yeah, so it's crazy or or hvac hvac electricity oh hell yeah that is a that is a killer combo no really you'll make so much money i'm not even getting it's so like the electricity stuff that's hard i can do that the numbers easy peasy like just go yeah yeah if you get your numbers wrong you don't electrocute yourself no one ever fell off a roof doing math it's true well ed cory we have time for one more question okay that's sneaking that in there we were at time okay oh no now you're making me panic okay oh no i gotta log in sign in and shitification at work anyone use a computer we're going we're going

1:01:17hang on hang on i texted sam oldman the other day and uh he didn't take back to me just a fact I'd share with the audience Dario Amadeus PR Anthropics PR this is a short answer lightning round which is if you had to guess what is the timeline we were looking at for the AI bubble to pop make your bets people no later than Q2 2026 so I I'm a firm believer that the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent So I'm not going to try and guess, but I think it's coming. And I also think the number, so to your point, Ed, I would say that the number of foundation models that will be around after the crash very likely could be zero.

1:02:06I'm not saying that it must be zero, but I think it very likely could be zero. No, the open ones will be around, but... Yeah, the open models, you can't kill an open source model if people like it and contribute. Like a French murderer, they'll kill Claude. Yeah. Yeah. All right, so we have immediately and later then you can stay solvent. So don't try to guess. Yeah. Save your stocks. Don't try and short that market. Buy poles. Practice digging for canned goods and rubble. Use that time effectively. Become an electrician. I had both my hips replaced and my cataracts done just in case civilization was about to fail.

1:02:41I saved one of my femurs. I had a cane topper made cast in brass. I had it scanned at 3D if you go to archive.org slash doctora-femur you can get a 1200 dpi STL file You can print my diseased femur. I wanted to make soup stock, but my wife said no

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