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Episode Title
Monologue: ChatGPT's Growth Is Collapsing In Europe
Host
Ed Zitron
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Overview In this episode of *Better Offline*, host Ed Zitron discusses alarming data from Deutsche Bank indicating that OpenAI’s ChatGPT subscription growth is stagnating in Europe. The conversation critiques the sustainability of OpenAI's business model, particularly in the face of declining user acquisitions and reliance on advertising revenue.
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Key Points & Discussions
- Current State of ChatGPT in Europe
- Stagnant Growth: OpenAI's subscription growth in major European markets (UK, Germany, France, Italy, Spain) has flatlined.
- Statistics:
- Growth dropped from 10% in June 2023 to below 0% in August 2023.
- Minor recoveries were noted, but overall trends indicate a steady decline.
- Significance: This trend is notably different from other software revolutions (e.g., Facebook, Uber), which typically see steady growth, albeit with periodic fluctuations.
- Factors Influencing Decline
- User Demand: European users appear unwilling to pay for ChatGPT, despite its features being largely unchanged from other markets.
- Regulatory Environment: While GDPR is mentioned, it is clarified that this isn't the primary reason for the lack of subscription growth.
- Advertising as a Revenue Model
- Skepticism Towards Advertising: Zitron expresses doubt that advertising will successfully salvage OpenAI’s financial situation.
- Comparison to Competitors: Google and Meta have established advertising models that OpenAI lacks, including decades of data and customer engagement strategies.
- Current Revenue Performance: OpenAI's attempts to monetize through ads have resulted in minimal success ($20,000 in 2024).
- Future Outlook for OpenAI
- Concerns Over Viability: Zitron raises concerns about the long-term sustainability of OpenAI's business as growth falters.
- Infrastructure Investments: The push to build a data center in England is questioned, especially given that OpenAI's partners lack experience in non-crypto data centers.
- Broader Implications
- "Air Escaping the Bubble": Zitron likens the current situation to a bubble that may be bursting, hinting at a potential reckoning for Silicon Valley's tech giants.
- Call to Action for Listeners: Encourages audience engagement and feedback, particularly regarding the focus on AI topics.
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Conclusion Zitron concludes with reflections on the precarious state of OpenAI and the broader tech landscape, setting the stage for future discussions on the evolving role of AI in society and its potential pitfalls.
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Final Thoughts Zitron's analysis underscores the importance of not only tracking technological growth but also understanding the underlying economic and social factors that influence user engagement and business sustainability.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00This is an iHeart Podcast. Wells Fargo announced a new$20 million program in 2025, teaming up with nonprofits to support small business owners. That's how Wells Fargo is helping strengthen small businesses and communities. Wells Fargo, the bank of doing. Learn more at wellsfargo.com slash say do. Call Zone Media Hello and welcome to this week's Better Offline monologue. I'm your host, Ed Zitron.
0:40And sorry that there hasn't been a monologue for a few weeks. These massive episodes I've been putting together took up my time in a way that made them a little impractical. And as far as the show goes, I know it's been very AI-focused. I can't even say AI right sometimes. But anyway, this is likely going to continue for a while. Because as you can tell from the news, crazy shit keeps happening every day. every day Sam Altman tells somebody he's going to give them a billion dollars. It's all so silly, and I do feel like it's not being covered very thoroughly, so I'm doing my best to do so. Nevertheless, I promise I'm going to find a way to bring in more non-AI stuff.
1:15I'm not really sure how it's going to make it in there. I'll do my best, and I'm already working on CES 2026, which I think is going to be probably the best tech podcast thing ever. Got some incredible guests, Chloe Radcliffe, of course, Edward Nguesso Jr., David Roth. And yeah, those guests I can't quite talk about yet, but they're going to make you really happy. And it's going to be about more than just AI. That being said, next week's episode is likely to be AI focused, as I've had a lot of people request to do an episode that's a simplified guide to the AI bubble, something that they can share with people that aren't sticking their head in the technological or financial septic tank every day.
1:50And look, I think you're going to love it. You can please listen to it anyway. I need the downloads. But in all seriousness, I think it's going to be something, and I've been working on it for a few days now, that's quite short and sharp, but will speak to people who are not technical or financial at all. I think it'll be great. And if not, show's free, you'll enjoy it. But I also do just want to say, I really appreciate how many of you listen every week. I really appreciate your patience with the AI stuff. You seem to all really enjoy it, but I do love to hear from you whenever I can. So reach out.
2:23Please don't be too mean, though I do have a heart. But yes, this week's monologue is somewhat of a big story. So two days ago, Fortune published a story saying that, according to data from Deutsche Bank, which is a very, very large bank, that OpenAI subscription growth in Europe has stalled and is, and I quote, flatlining in the major European markets over the past four months. To quote Fortune, the data was drawn from transactions processed by third-party financial institutions, really nailed that word, in the UK, Germany, France, Italy, and Spain, representing 15 % of ChatGPT users. And if you're wondering, the top software markets in the world are US, China, Germany, UK, France, and Italy, and then there's Canada and some others.
3:04To be clear, this specifically refers to people paying for ChatGPT subscriptions, the 20 buck a month one most likely. And in a graph I'll link to in the show notes, you really should look at it. OpenAI subscription growth in Europe has been pretty rocky from the beginning, dropping from 10 % in June 2023 to below 0 % in August 2023, meaning growth had declined, only to recover slightly, well, pretty well, I guess, the 20 % in December 2023, then drop again to below 0 % in February 2024. Otherwise, OpenAI barely scraped 10 % growth outside of some spikes in September 2024 around the launch of their reasoning models, which got them to about 15%, the launch of their useless agent operator in January 2025, which got them somehow to around 18%, and then the launch of 04 Image Generation in March 2025, which by the way was the Studio Ghibli wank, and that got them back to only 10 % though.
3:55I realized that was a lot of numbers, and like I said, the chart is in the episode notes, I swear, but in June 2025, OpenAI faced negative growth of subscribers in Europe, barely recovering to 2-3 % in July 2025, and then back to 0 % in August 2025, which looks like there may be a mild recovery coming to around 3 % in September. Now, while I'm not quite declaring victory or blasting not like us, I am having trouble finding a way around how bad this is. I can find no example of a successful software revolution that started with high growth and tumbled into the abyss in Europe. It didn't happen with Facebook, and it certainly didn't happen in Uber's case, even though European governments actively tried to reject it, and some of them still are.
4:37It didn't happen with the smartphone or cloud computing, or really any other software revolution or device. they would start from kind of nowhere and then grow and then there'd be wobbles but they'd keep growing steadily this is a steady decline and to be clear this is nothing to do with europe's general data protection regulations or the gdpr robert evans once taught me to spell everything out i've independently confirmed with european jet gpt users that the product is basically identical over there europe just happens to be rejecting jet gpt they don't want to pay for it and as you'll see when you look at the graph the boosts that open ai gets from throwing out new products, they're becoming less pronounced each time.
5:14Other than operator, that one kind of surprised me. But even then, 18 % growth. And I think it's month over month. If it's year over year, it wouldn't be year over year. It's month over month. Now, the GDPR, by the way, will make it difficult for OpenAI to launch advertising, which I will add will not be the saving grace for this company because Google and Meta's massive advertising revenues come from decades of data and expertise in forcing them down customers' throats, as well as having a very compelling product and thousands of salespeople. And also in Google's case, thousands of miles of underground cable and under the sea cable, I believe as well.
5:47People that are easily scared of suggesting that OpenAI's data on users is rich because they feed so much into it. This point makes the assumption that this data is useful and that OpenAI can actually do anything with it despite having absolutely no expertise in selling ads. As a reminder, perplexity that an AI search engine you'd think would be the perfect place for ads. They made 20 grand,$20 ,000 selling ads in 2024. That's bollocks. It's terrible. You'd make more selling dogs. Anyone watch the day today? Might be auctioning dogs. Anyway, my rambling aside, it's very easy to get scared of this company and just think, oh, they have a lot of money and users, even though they lose billions.
6:24They'll just put ads in and that'll fix everything. I must caution you to immediately be a doomer there. I see no real evidence that they're going to find another business line, mostly evidence by the fact they've never been able to find one. And while this isn't declarative proof that this company is circling the drain, I don't know how else to look at it as anything other than their growth story in Europe is dying. And they're building a goddamn data center in England, I think, with Nscale, a company that's never built an AI data center in their life. To be fair, that's also the case with Crusoe.
6:55In fact, all of OpenAI's partners pretty much never built a data center of any kind other than crypto ones, which are completely different. Also, no one's built a GigaWatt data center. ah that's going to be a future episode forgive me i want to educate you on data centers one day but every time i start thinking about them my brain starts playing the uh that music from kill bill when she looks at anyone she's mad at someone's going to email me and say it was perry mason christ the great thing about these monologues is i could just talk about whatever i want to they say i should do this which is what i'm going to do but in reality back to the thing we're talking about it really is hard to read this as anything other than air escaping the bubble it's being pierced I swear to God.
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In this week’s Better Offline monologue, Ed Zitron walks you through data from Deutsche Bank that shows ChatGPT’s growth is flatlining in Europe, and how advertising isn’t going to save OpenAI.
OpenAI’s ‘flatlining’ subs in Europe: The AI boom’s poster child may be struggling to recruit new subscribers, Deutsche Bank warns
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