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Better Offline - Episode Summary: "Monologue: It's The Beginning Of History"
Podcast Overview Better Offline is a weekly podcast that examines the tech industry's impact on society, particularly focusing on the culture of growth at all costs among tech elites. Hosted by Ed Zitron, the podcast combines storytelling, interviews, and panel discussions to dissect the complexities of the tech landscape.
Episode Details
- Title: Monologue: It's The Beginning Of History
- Host: Ed Zitron
- Description: In this episode, Ed discusses the decline of the tech industry's hypergrowth era, critiques generative AI as a business model, and urges listeners to stop relying on historical precedents to predict the future.
Key Themes and Discussions
- End of Tech's Hypergrowth Era
- Decline of Growth: Ed argues that the period of rapid expansion in the tech sector is coming to an end. He expresses concern over the sustainability of businesses built on inflated expectations and immense capital investments.
- Generative AI Failures: Critical analysis of generative AI, asserting that it has not provided the anticipated economic benefits and remains unprofitable for most companies involved.
- Critique of Major Players
- Anthropic and OpenAI:
- Ed discusses recent controversies surrounding Anthropic's dealings with the Department of Defense, including its role in weaponry and surveillance.
- He highlights discrepancies in revenue reporting, suggesting that Anthropic misleads investors about its financial health.
- Critiques the leadership of Sam Altman (OpenAI) and Dario Amadei (Anthropic), portraying them as out of touch with the reality of their businesses.
- The Financial Landscape of Tech
- Debt and Financial Mismanagement:
- Ed cites alarming statistics regarding the debt accumulated by software companies, pointing out that much of the growth in the tech sector has been funded through leveraged buyouts.
- He contemplates the looming financial crisis within the tech sector, which he believes will have significant repercussions.
- Call to Action for Tech Enthusiasts
- Need for Data-Driven Arguments: Ed challenges proponents of AI to provide current, concrete examples of success instead of relying on outdated narratives or speculative promises about the future.
- End of the Era of Easy Growth: Emphasizes the necessity of adapting to a new reality where sustainable growth is more critical than ever.
Key Takeaways
- Reality Check on AI: Generative AI is not the savior it was marketed to be, and the industry is far from profitable.
- Economic Implications: The surge in debt levels among software companies indicates a troubling trend that could lead to widespread financial issues across the tech sector.
- Importance of Accountability: Encourages listeners to critically assess the claims made by tech leaders and demand transparency regarding their revenue models and business practices.
Conclusion Ed Zitron concludes the monologue by asserting that we are at the beginning of a new historical phase, encouraging listeners to ground their expectations in reality rather than nostalgia. He emphasizes the importance of evaluating the fundamentals of the tech industry as it navigates this challenging transition.
Listeners are reminded that the landscape is shifting, and staying informed and critical is essential in this era of uncertainty.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOWelcome to Better Offline
2:01 to 2:31
Host Ed Zitron discusses his recent absence and expresses gratitude to listeners.
“Organic Valley small family farms protect the land and the plants and animals that call it home.”
Feeling Isolated in Tough Times
2:32 to 3:04
Zitron shares thoughts on isolation and the importance of support in difficult times.
Personal Struggles and Current Events
3:05 to 3:56
Zitron reflects on personal challenges and the overwhelming nature of current events.
AI and Military Surveillance Controversy
3:57 to 5:26
Discussion on the ethical implications of AI in military surveillance and war.
Anthropic's Financial Revelations
5:27 to 6:31
Exploring Anthropic's claimed revenues and expenditures amid controversy.
Critique of AI's Profitability
6:32 to 7:20
Zitron critiques the profitability of AI companies and their financial claims.
“on February 12th 2026 which works out to about 1.16 billion dollars.”
The State of AI Technology
7:21 to 8:35
Discussion on the current state of AI technology and its economic impact.
“Because, I don't know, I trust this CFO in an affidavit far more than the leaks of annualized revenues.”
The Decline of Software Viability
14:15 to 16:44
Analyzing the unsustainable growth of large language models and software.
“I do not see a path out of this for large language models.”
The End of Software's Hyper-Growth Era
16:44 to 19:03
Discussing the financial realities affecting the software sector now.
“a completely different era when there were tons more lands to conquer and tons of growth ideas still left to build.”
The Reckoning Ahead
19:03 to 20:04
Encouraging a shift toward fundamental analysis in technology.
“You need to start looking at the fundamentals.”
Transcript
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2:31sorry i missed last week's monologue everyone i was sick and in truth i'm still kind of sick but the work is important i also want to thank all of you have sent very kind words via the email inbox and the reddit i really do appreciate you so much and actually that's a good place to start everything's rough as you know you've seen everything the horrors are many remember to be there for the people close to you and as isolated as the world might make you feel right now there are millions of people feeling exactly like you our subreddit r slash better offline is a great place to start as i assure you that if you feel that isolation the castigation the irritation by the push to put ai in everything you're anything but alone we are all feeling it i'll admit i've been kind of reeling myself i've had family stuff to take care of all while being sick for the best part of what is now three weeks i think it's tough to take a break when you have so much to do especially when the stuff you have to do involves keeping up with the current events and motherfucker we are in an event heavy era i missed the premium newsletter for the first time in months and the monologue for the first time since we started doing them felt guilty which is ridiculous you'll all tell me off for saying it but this show is built on sincerity so i'm gonna say anyway so give yourself a little bit of a break everything is fucking rough not me though not taking one of those don't get those now as i wrote in this week's newsletter which i called the beginning of history things appear to be reaching a breaking point let's catch up a few weeks ago anthropic and the department of defense got in an argument because anthropic wouldn't allow them to use claude for domestic mass surveillance or to control autonomous weapons the former of which is a stretch of what llms can do and the latter of which is totally out of their capabilities as a result of this flimsy defiance anthropic was designated a supply chain risk by the department of defense this immediately led to a depressing amount of people doing bullshit we stand with anthropic jess we claude commentary suggesting that this company was in any way ethically opposed to blowing things up let me be blunt about how wrong you are if you think this way anthropics claude llm was used in the war in iran it isn't clear how but it's more than likely it was handed a bunch of data coordinates images targets and so on and asked what to do this does not mean it is powerful or accurate or really anything other than a means of escaping the responsibility for choosing who to kill dario amadei really make no mistake about this loves war enables war and is a full supporter of the u.s military and i quote using ai to defend democracy which can mean literally anything that america wants it to just look at the history of fucking america similarly clammy sam altman immediately swept in to take anthropic's business once the dod kicked anthropic out i don't want to go into the nitty-gritty because it's weeks old but from what i can tell chat gpt will support all legal uses it's i really just fucking despise everyone involved here i think they're absolutely disgraceful i think sam ortman's mewling bullshit online about claiming he didn't actually agree to all legal uses and would go to jail you know what sammy if you go to jail i'll come visit you you little shit yet something interesting happened as a result of all of this bullshit anthropic soap who were designated to supply chain risk filed a lawsuit against the department of defense to fight him and in doing so had to include a sign and a sworn affidavit from its chief financial officer krishna rao which revealed and this stunned me that anthropic has had five billion dollars in lifetime revenue to date with to date referring to march 9th 2026 now this flies in the face of basically every reported revenue including the information story and i like the information I pay for it but this is important that Anthropic had made 4.5 billion dollars in 2025 and Anthropic's own statement that it hit 14 billion dollars in annualized revenue on February 12th 2026 which works out to about 1.16 billion dollars.
6:44Interestingly Anthropic also revealed it spent 10 billion dollars on model training and inference which is the process of creating an output in the same period now the exact phrase was exceeding five billion dollars to date and my god my god if your argument there boosters is oh yeah well that could mean six billion or seven billion shut the fuck i'm sorry can you please can you put down the sherwin williams you've been eating for a fucking second and think anthropic is incentivized in this case to say it's making a lot of money because all of this is in a filing begging the government to not remove its ability to monetize public sector work but pretty much war i really need to be clear i've been arguing with people about this for days if you add up all the annualized revenues you get 6.66 billion dollars spooky probably more if you include missing months and such it's very obvious that Anthropic is misleading people.
7:41Because, I don't know, I trust this CFO in an affidavit far more than the leaks of annualized revenues. I don't see the same alarm in the tech journalism world, or the business world. I just don't see it. I don't see anyone giving much of a fuck about this, despite this very likely meaning everybody has been misled for years. Let's simplify. anthropic has raised more than 60 billion dollars with 30 billion dollars of that arriving on or around february 12th it made five billion dollars in revenue all time and spent 10 billion dollars in training and inference costs alone just think about that for a second previously before that new money they had 30 billion dollars they spent 10 billion on inference and training and they made five billion dollars of revenue so just i guess like tens of billions of dollars just fucking annihilated there this company's a dog it's very obvious that its leaked revenues have either been inflated or outright lies and in the end anthropic is just kind of a piece of shit you know what it's time for a little rant and while i think you'll all enjoy this this is really targeted at those be that are yet to be swayed by my arguments i hear all of this crap about ai changing everything but where's the proof wow anthropic managed to turn 30 billion dollars into$5 billion and start one of the single most annoying debates in history.
9:07Where's the money? Who is actually getting a profit out of AI? NVIDIA? The companies that make RAM? Because it doesn't seem to be the companies who are buying the GPUs. It doesn't seem to be the AI companies either. I don't think it's true, but if you believe it, you believe that code is truly being automated away. To what end? What are the actual documented economic effects we can point to, and what are the actual meaningful changes to the world. Also, are you not a little bit concerned about how much code might be written that people do not read, let alone understand? Because I'm learning a little bit about code right now, very slowly learning to code.
9:45And the more I learn, the more I realize that it's important to understand what it fucking does. But you know what, AI boosters, if you're listening, I don't know how many of you do, but please, if you talk about the magic of AI and why we should be excited about AI. I need you to start talking today and use real data. Something from today, please. You are legally banned from saying the word soon or in the future. All of my stuff has to be in the present. So you should too. Point to one thing from today, from today's models, that even remotely justifies burning in nearly a trillion dollars and filling our internet full of slop and creating the moral distance from an action that might have blown up a fucking school in iran and empowering the theft of millions of people's work and having to hear every fucking day about sam altman and dario amadei two terrifyingly boring and annoying oafs with no culture and no whimsy in their wretched little hearts oh wow so you can code a clone of an open source software project all set up with an llm that may or may not get the code right Do you really need this?
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14:14I want to be clear that my position is sincere. I do not see a path out of this for large language models. I have sat and thought about how I might be wrong far more than I've searched for how I might be right. This industry cannot sustain itself and is not in any way trending towards viability, let alone profitability. This is not a game for me. I am not on a team. I think you are all cresting the wave of the end of the software industry's growth era. I think you think Sam Altman is your friend. I think you think OpenAI is your sports team. I think you think large language models are something you need to align with.
14:54I think you think this is fucking fun. It isn't. It's a waste. OpenAI and Anthropic are not selling great software. And even if you somehow think that they are, their software business sucks absolute ass. Anthropics spent$2 for every dollar it made just on training and inference. And that's before sales and marketing. That's before real estate. And that's before the actual people. That's not just crap. It's shit. How much of what you love about AI is actually rooted in the present? Are you having fun? I'm having fun because I enjoy writing and reading my podcast. If I worked in the technology industry full time right now, I'd want to cry my fucking eyes out.
15:37It's a depressing, ugly time where bosses talk endlessly about stuff that doesn't work and force their workers to push it on their customers, all while losing money. It's a fucking cult built on debt and theft, and I'm sick of hearing about it, and even more sick of hearing that I should be scared of it. I'm not scared of AI. I'm scared of the financial apocalypse to come. I recently read a terrifying stat the other day from Apollo's asset manager, Apollo Asset Management's John Zito, who said that between 2018 and 2022, software accounted for 30-40 % of private equity leveraged buyouts, the specific era in which venture capital stopped providing reliable returns and private equity's own growth started to slow.
16:23Worse still, the largest software leveraged buyouts of 2021-2024 were financed with anywhere from 50 % to 90 % debt. In very simple terms, PE firms bought into software companies and bought software companies they believed would grow forever, pumping them full of debt, taking on debt to buy them, and did so based on the growth trajectory of software companies from 2005 to 2018, a completely different era when there were tons more lands to conquer and tons of growth ideas still left to build. That was a weird noise, but I'm going to keep it. We're past that, I think we're running out if we haven't run out already.
17:05As I said a few years ago in the Rodcom bubble, I believe we're at the end of software's hyper-growth era and the comeuppance has begun, with$46.9 billion of software debt now marked as distressed, which means unlikely to be paid even. All of this has also been happening as software growth has slowed across the board because there are only so many things you could sell and only so many people to sell them to. Generative AI was meant to be the solution here. It was meant to be the panacea that would restart growth in the software sector, allowing software-as-a-service companies to upsell their clients, create new SaaS companies that venture capital and private equity could invest in, and usher in that new era of hyper-growth.
17:47Instead, large language models are unprofitable, lack significant or innovative features that make selling new software possible, and outside of OpenAI and Anthropic do not appear to have much revenue potential at all. Most businesses don't even break out their specific AI revenue. IBM literally just stopped doing so and 80 % of their generative AI revenue was consultancy services hocking it to people that didn't really need AI but they needed to start doing AI because their shareholders would kill them. But here's a good example. Salesforce, which makes tens of billions of dollars a year, well they revealed that they had 800 million dollars of annualized revenue for their agent force chatbot that works out to about 60 something million dollars a month that's poopy that's dog shit and if you disagree you don't know fucking finance and you're living in a dream but who is the dreamer we are both at an end and a beginning a reckoning for decades of hubris and a punishment for those who believe that all software would grow in perpetuity.
18:52I don't know what happens next, but I do know that we're at the beginning of history and that looking at the past as a way of confirming your biases about everything is a mistake. You need to start looking at the fundamentals. If you don't, if you're a booster, if you're an AI fan listening to this, if you're someone that writes about tech and you're still in the AI camp, you need to start proving your arguments because when this collapses and i'm confident it will you're going to look like a fucking idiot now some of you might be not so bad there are many of you that won't many of you have taken a kind of middle ground a centrist position we all know how those work out it's time to start looking at the fundamentals and it's time to stop looking at the dot-com bubble or looking at uber looking at whatever little myth you have to pretend that all of this is going to work out if you can prove me wrong i look forward to reading it or hearing it but it's been years and nobody appears to have tried i really don't know what will happen next but i'll be here to explain what i know every single week thank you for listening
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In this week's Better Offline monologue, Ed Zitron talks about the end of tech’s hypergrowth era, generative AI’s failure as a business model, and why we need to stop looking to the past to prove that the future will work out.
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