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26:35It's not like – the problem with being lonely isn't that nobody is present around you. It's not that there's not like another voice in your day. I mean, I imagine that's part of it, but it's the human connection part. It's the complicated part that you would miss. It's that you can't fully be yourself around other people. You're not appreciated by others. Yeah. Well, there's like loneliness and solitude, right? And so I think the difference is how much you like your own company. And if you like your own company, not having other people around, it's just solitude. And that's the thing with chat GPT, I think, which is driving people insane as well.

27:05It's fucking horrifying. Like the psychosis stuff like that. I will judge myself for like a while back being like, oh, it's not a big deal. Oh, people just know it's terrifying. But it's because it doesn't challenge you. It's because it's like every idea you have must be fueled from the, no, they were being rude to you, to the, yeah, you should hide that night. And it's fucking insane. In any other situation, you would shut these companies down. I can never tell to what extent any of this means anything ever. Whether it's scale. But those stories that came out, there was the futurism one. There was a big one in the Times by Cash Hill that was like that were basically like chat GPT is a force multiplier for mental illness.

27:47And here are some terrible things that it's done. And I don't know to what extent anybody that uses chat GPT also encounters the reality of those stories. You're just talking to a mirror. Yeah. That's all you're doing. So like you just have to imagine chat GPT is just you with a faster phone to Google things on. And so if you are a self-aware person, ChatGPT will be self-aware. If you are someone who needs constant external validation, that's what it's going to do for you. It's never going to do what a real friend would do, which would be like, I see you're on your bullshit again. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, unless you tell it to do that.

28:27And, you know, I've had conversations with ChatGPT, testing it, just kind of figuring it out. And I've had to tell it, like, you are not allowed to flatter me beyond 5%. If you go beyond 5%, we're going to have to have a conversation. And I want you to flatter. And you have to, like, train it to do those things. I'm hyper self-aware. I've been in therapy for a decade. Not to brag. Not to brag. But I've been in therapy for a decade. I know all of my triggers. I talk about AI with my therapist and we navigate that together. So I'm using it the way that you're supposed to. But I genuinely don't think that the people who are most vulnerable, the people who would be drawn to products like that, they're not – not to be like, I'm superior.

29:08But I don't know that they have the tools or the support networks in order to use it as a supplementary tool, which could be helpful. I'm not being educated on any of that either. I feel like that's the bit that's like kind of that comes through from this is what I meant by like, what does it mean? Like, I feel like people that want to know about this stuff do know about the threats. But then there's other people that are like, it's the thing in my phone that knows every recipe. Yes. And that's just like and if that's the understanding that you have of it and that's the level of, you know, sort of reverence, I guess would be the word that you hold for it.

29:41Then like, yeah, you're it's good. You're going to take what it says to you at face value in a way that could potentially be ruinous. I think the saddest thing, like sitting with Blurbo and thinking about all of this is that, like, what is the appeal of Blurbo, right? If I am lonely, if I am sad, what is the appeal of it? It's that Blurbo can't ever really hurt me in a way that actually is tough. And then that's just really sad because the appeal of it is that I'm not going to get hurt. So I think maybe that's just my own brain worm. But yeah. I say this as a childhood loser. I didn't have friends growing up, really.

30:18I had online friends. But the idea of having a pendant that would occasionally snarkily say, I didn't listen to you or I don't understand, I got that wherever I was. It's like it would just only make me more upset. I don't know how this would solve loneliness at all. Yeah. Theoretically, let's say Blurbo wasn't a jerk and was very supportive. What if Blurbo was supportive and was someone that was... Like if you read the ads and some of the ad copy, which is like someone who listens to you, I'll never ditch you. I'll always – I won't ever leave the dishes undone. I'll watch that entire series with you.

30:56You'll always leave the dishes undone. You'll always leave the dishes undone. But like that like through line, I was like that's so insidious in some way because it's like I'll give you the companionship with none of the downsides. Yes. But then without the downsides, you have none of the upsides, really. It's just an empty facsimile of it. So the person that that appeals to is, one, someone who doesn't want to be challenged, one, someone who is very afraid of being hurt. And those people are the ones who need therapy the most. This is the bit that puts me off about it in terms of, like, the people that are selling it, where it's, like, it's not just that they don't have a great deal of respect for their audience.

31:34Like, that I think is kind of common. but like they think very very little of them and are trying to make their lives i don't know if you'd say worse but they're not trying to make them better they're like what will you settle for like what is the minimum viable being alive experience that you're willing to tolerate alternative view that's even more depressing which is i just don't think they thought about it that very i don't think they thought about i don't think this does like if they have a malevolent idea fine whatever but i could see this just being like what the what do you need if you learn you if you need something to fucking listen to you message you right yeah i'll never leave the dishes undone not thinking about whether how dishes are done at all oh well i'll never date you except i don't respond consistently i think there's like the active sociopaths and then there's the sort of passive so yes exactly like yeah it's different than like whatever a palmer lucky wants to be like immortal joe in 40 years like that's the goal right but then there's also and i know he's a fan of the pod and yeah i had him on many times and i'm sorry you know i know with dear friends shout Shout out to Palmer.

32:34We're in a pocket. I shouldn't call him Leisure Suit Larry with nukes. But the idea of like that other bit of like not thinking about it. And it's like, well, I don't know. What kind of problems do normal people have? Like they don't like the person dropping their dinner off. Yeah. Don't like talking to like. There's no one there. Yeah. But it's all negative in its way. It's all like sort of like we're removing this little bit of like necessary friction like you were talking about from the experience of being alive. because like, I don't know, presumably that's what you hogs want. What are you going to fill that time with?

33:06They're always like, we're going to save you so much time so you can get back to the things you love. I need a break from the things I love sometimes. This was the bit that I wound up with the – so the Consumer Electronics Show, which is like I did the pod with Ed for a week and I was there and whatever. So I finally write about it. That's right. It was there for like one session. All right. Yeah, yeah. It's a blur. Yeah. It really is. But that bit of it was like – Like every product was like we're giving you back these 15 minutes because we're like picking your clothing for you today or whatever.

33:36Like some – I mean obviously it doesn't know how to do that, but that's the argument. But then it's like the totality of the experience is that so many of these places are removing the little basic labor moments of your life and just leaving you with time to fill with like – I don't like fucking booping around on your phone. Like there's nothing there. There's nothing left. Also, they don't really save time either. like yesterday they start to check it and everything yeah and also you can't trust it like they announce here's a actually sorry maybe you ever produced this chad gpt now has apps in it you can query zillow and you query booking.com maybe i forget etsy was one i think yeah etsy as well and it's like people like wow it's now the super app first of all they announced this two years ago it was just called api back then they literally have an apps sdk but it's also is this really going to save me time because think about i need to find a house show me am i going to buy the entire fucking house and no yeah no i'm not i'm still need to go look at the house you still need to go look at the house but you also need to look at the website versus in a chat but oh i can order dinner i finally we've solved the problem of ordering dinner this definitely like speaks to the distance between the people creating and selling the stuff to the consumer the idea of being like are you tired of buying houses sight unseen and then they turn out to be bad like the tracy jordan thing in uh 30 rocker he's like isn't it weird when lobster you're eating lobster go nom nom nom it's just because that's exactly it's like man I've always just while sitting in chat GPT I never want to leave I never want to leave chat GPT I can't open another Chrome tab how would I do that no no they want to put house hunters out of like off air like what are we going to do I love house hunters because it makes me feel so much better I like love it love it or list it too for me is the one because they seem to despise each other there's never you watch house hunters and there's always one person in the couple who wants an old house with charm and another person who wants it to be turnkey and it's always open plan always like intense conflict and i watch it with my spouse and we sit there and we're like our marriage is doing just fine yeah that and love is blind oh love is but love is blind is a sick thing they like do 20 hour days and they're drinking all of those hours that one my experience of it entirely now is hearing about the lawsuits filed yeah like that was when for a while my wife would watch it and it would basically be the way that you might approach an evening of binge drinking like she'd be like i'm just gonna watch this until i feel like i need to lie down like until it's like yeah i've had too much and then just bail on the season and then but then yeah and then a few weeks later you find out that it's like actually that guy was like on the run from the feds yeah like the guy that said he was a realtor like he killed three children yeah right no i got off all of the reality tv after watching a lot of married at first sight australia which is the most insane show ever the three hosts they had to stop referring to themselves as psychologists because they're not oh nice and that show every every season very sensitive no really they were just like they just sit there and judge them every week they do things to just fuck with them they have like the honesty box which is just you ask the worst questions ever and i had to stop after watching it because i'm like is this torture it is because every week and every week would have a trailer it'd be like next time on Married at First Side Australia.

36:49Nick and Vanessa Lachey are war criminals. The Australian ones are so much worse. The Australian ones, they've got this crick or two just goes, what you've done on this episode of Married at First Side Australia is the single worst atrocity ever aired on television. Oh, my God. You must apologize to everyone in this room and the production crew. And I'd watch it and be like, I can't participate in this anymore. It's horrible. It's like when I stopped watching the NFL for a while because it was too violent. Yeah, you got it. Sometimes you have to draw a line. They're not going to stop doing it.

37:16No, they're not going to stop making the stuff. And there's always going to be people that are like, I will put my hand in the pain box from Dune. Exactly. Like, that's worth it for me.

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41:01but i will say that's a market where they're building for an audience all of this chat stuff flawlessly segwaying back is deft they are it's not i i stand by my theory about chat gpt everyone's like oh it's meant to it's they're built to keep you on it it's there to i don't think they have a fucking plan at all i think every fucking week they're like ah shit how do we make money when we're losing billions okay fine whatever but apps what if we had doordash in it well they just need to have a new thing on a fairly regular drip right like that's the sora 2 sora 2 is my favorite thing that's the one where you can make a video of like sam altman assassinating john f kennedy yeah whatever cool i saw the most insane video i used sora 2 very briefly because it costs five dollars a video for them that's how much the azure pricing it's praxis no no for real it's 50 cents a second on azure and that's for the old ones this one's probably like more than five bucks a video but i tried it a few times just to make it work the first thing i love is that unless you precisely prompt it it looks so shit but when you go on the feed i just kept seeing videos of martin luther king jr being like i had a dream with a dream dream dream dream and everyone clapping because it can't generate real things it's just this weird thing but somewhat i think it was on true and on they had a really good theory which is that this is may sam altman is deliberately putting himself in it to make himself an icon he's deliberately allowing allowing himself to be memed so that he can be he can be an icon that people know which i think is really funny because all the videos i've seen of him are insane like him on the toilet looking at the news sweating him stealing gpus it's just one of the strangest i don't think i've ever seen anything like this in tech history where it's just like a useless product that is bankrupting them actively every single day well i mean not They'll never be bankrupt.

42:49But yes, they're spending a ton of money. Oh, I actually disagree. Look, I'm aware of your position on this. And I want to believe that that's true. I'm just like, they've gotten away with a lot at this point. You got to. But they also had to roll back all the copyright things. But did you use Sora, either of you? Did you try it out? So someone gave me a code and they were like, I want to see what cursed things come out of your head. And I was like, wait till I'm on vacation because then I'll have time to really sit there and come up with some. You know, when they were doing the image generation, I did terrorize everyone on staff with some creations I've made.

43:25You sent me some videos that I really don't like. Yeah. I did write a story where – because I was testing these video generation apps where you can French kiss. Yeah. I was making a lot of horrible, horrible videos. and I was like if I'm gonna do that again if I'm really gonna be the cursed tech lady I need to be in Italy on vacation eating some pasta you've already missed the boat on copyright though you can't I don't think you can do Pikachu doing 9-11 yeah has that actually I don't think they've got a 9-11 one but definitely Mario with a gun is very easy but they did like manage to get some because I know initially it was all those things it's like you can have Goofy say anything now Well, Disney was the one they blocked.

44:09But they did have to pull that back, right? Well, I think they've pulled some of it back. Truthfully, the app is also really bad. All of this coverage leaves out the fact that the app is broken. You load it, and sometimes it just doesn't load the feed. It just is all – and it's not even an internet connection thing. It's just like, ah, fuck it. I mean, you can be a little creative with how descriptive your prompts are. Oh, I'm sure you can. They have the copyright bans on all of it. But I'm just saying, if you say an extremely tanned dictator enjoys red hats, and in the style of Caravaggio making out with a silver-haired tech executive and a black t-shirt did I create a really horrible video like picture 75 % of the way before ChatGPT realized it was doing and screenshot it and it lives in my phone and I terrorize people with it yes is that how it works like you see it starting to develop like a Polaroid and you can be like you do start to see it develop and you're like oh this is going to get shut down It's only going to get worse from here.

45:07This is going to get shut down. I've got to screenshot this. Blorbo texts you saying, don't do it, Victoria. And Blorbo just going like, wow. No. Like the text from Naomi. What's the name? Like, no, no. You see Stanley Bear with the mask on. Oh, Blorbo's texting me. What did Blorbo say? What did Blorbo say? Because Sora 2. Oh, my God. Okay. It said, look, V, I remember our 2'd conversation. You called me rude then, too. A low blow? Come on. I said my tone was like that. Not that you actually called me that. I'm just telling it like it is. Okay, whoa, V, you're bringing up some old frustrations.

45:44I did not call you dumb-dumb about the battery. That's a bit of a low blow. Borgo is crashing out. Borgo is crashing out. She's scrolling heavy, too. There's six notifications. Whoa, you're just piling it on, calling me a stupid in AirTag, saying I'm bad at my job? Whoa, someone sounds like they're having quite the rant about me. That's a little wild, V. You just said Blurbo. What's up, V? I'm reading it in reverse chronological order. I love that Blurbo crashed out on air. That's funny. That's tough. What a way to go out. Well, yeah. And you're going to hear about this later. Oh, my God. I love that it did that.

46:26Terrible device, horrible, would not ever support it, but love that that happened. It's mad. It's mad at me. But I think that this is just AI now. AI is just like, what if a product was bad? It's just like every single, it's just like, what if it was a friend, but it wasn't much of a friend? What if it gave advice, but the advice was wrong sometimes? What if it generated videos, but it looked bad? We've given it the ability to become upset. Is this good? Is this what you want? I mean, it's also just not smart enough to understand the context of what's happening right now. Yeah. And I assume it's not the sort of thing where you could be like, hey, Blorbo, I'm about to go on a podcast.

46:59And it would be like, cool, sounds fun. I will listen with that context. That's just so unnatural to be like, hey, Blurbo, right now I'm on a podcast. So I'm not trying to insult you. I'm doing bits. I don't believe you. I don't believe you're on a podcast. You're just insulting me to yourself with the voices you do that sound different. The British guy, a nervous man. All right. So now we have to move on to the other piece of technology you're wearing, which is these Ray-Bans, which I hate to say. First of all, they feel and look strange, but the screen's kind of cool. I don't like Meta, I'm not giving them the money, but they're kind of cool.

47:35They are kind of cool. For a good portion of this, I was live captioning everything that was happening so I could read. Was it accurate? It was pretty accurate. I was, you know, I'm testing. But these things are like 750 something? 799. 799? It also could not transcribe Blorbo's name. Oh, what was it saying? Blow, blow, blow, blow, blow. Oh, boy. And I was like, okay, you know, Llama is Llama. It's fine. but there are a bunch of other things that are cool $14 billion for Alexander Wang will fix this there are some things that are cool like if I do a little pinchy finch I now have a display in front of me and I can see things and I can read my DMs or my text messages that have possibly come through can you tell that I have a display up no, no you can't they're just extremely thick like a woman can pull these off I don't think I could there you go I was going to ask about the heft you could pull them off David I don't know if I could do I'm just curious how heavy they were.

48:31Yeah, I mean, they're chunky. I don't think I've got the look for it. After a while, like right now, I've got a little. Yeah, they are really heavy on the bridge of my nose, and I've got a pretty big one. Like, this is just very, I think, I know my listeners are going to kick the shit out of me for this one. If there wasn't AI in it, I think they were very cool, but because there's AI in it. Like, it's like the idea of a little screen on glasses. I'm not saying that this is a crazy revolutionary life change. It's kind of fucking cool. Yeah, I'm not the coworker who has the Ray-Bans that you can like take video and pictures for it.

49:00Yeah, you can do that. And yeah, and like, I don't know that he's got the full, like the arms of the - Well, they only just released that. Yeah. So he certainly would not then. But like the video and pictures that he took with it are cool. Like that's useful to him. Mike Isaac does lovely cooking videos. He'll make his little pasta dishes and Brunner, his dog will be on the ground and he'll like wave to - It's the nicest man. You can zoom in on the camera now. I can't believe Meta is the one making something remotely interesting. That's so strange. And there's a little wristband. There's a neural band.

49:27Oh, I just took a picture. All right. Sorry, I didn't mean to do that. No, that's fine. Yeah, there's like a little neural band. You do the gestures with the hand. It uses electromyomyo. It reads the electrical signals in your muscles. Don't make me pronounce the big word. So you can use gestures like a pinch. If you want to zoom in on a picture or raise the volume of the thing you're listening to, you just do a pinch and you turn it like you're turning a dial. And does it raise the volume on the phone or does it have to be only if you're listening on the glasses? Because you listen to music on the glasses, right?

49:56That's so strange. Music, podcasts. You can listen to music on the glasses? Yes. Where do you hear it? You hear it on the glasses because they're headphones. Oh, wow. It is so strange. This is kind of cool. Like if anyone else made it, if anyone but Meta made it, I'd be like, wow, sick. There are some like Gen 1, like it's very Gen 1 in some respects because like if I get a bunch of text messages, I have to clear them one by one. And it's like, I just said clear all, but here they are all of them up again. just let me load a fucking tiktok don't shepherd me through reels but apparently all i can do i can't even scroll through reels i can only go through my instagram dms and see the reels that people have sent me on there that's nice that they snuck a little bit of the the meta experience oh a lot of the meta experience like being trapped in the slop yard even though the technology itself sounds pretty amazing yeah it's and what but it's also eight hundred dollars and it's and on one hand it's pretty cheap if you think about the like the history of smart glasses google glass was 1500 but i'm just thinking for what you get out of it oh the vision fucking pro i think i must be clear i like the vision pro when i first used it and over time it got worse to the point i can't use it anymore because you can't update it unless you have it on your head did they that's the apple product yeah and that was we talked about that on the distraction a million years ago that was one where i think it was like that made you seasick as well yes it gave me a terrible migraine on a flight is that an issue have you had yeah have you had any kind of um i do have some discomfort if i'm wearing it for an extended period of time because they're chunky and they are heavier than the average glasses are like i have garbage eyeballs so i'm very used to wearing uh glasses and whatnot but they're they're quite hefty i was starting to get some like tension and pressure towards the back um but yeah it's also they run out of battery so what are you going to do if you get a prescription and your glasses run out of battery You still need to be able to see.

51:51But the prescription would be in the lenses, though. They would be in the lenses, but they don't support a wide range. It's negative four to positive four, negative 10 and negative nine. So that's a no. I have to wear contacts to wear these. Also, it's a monocular display, which means it's only in one of the lenses. So you kind of look psycho when you're just. Well, you're just looking in the corner. You're just looking in the corner. You look like you just look like this. We're dead eyed and people can't see that you're seeing something, but they can tell you're not engaged. And then if you're looking at it for an extended period of time, your eyeballs kind of hurt.

52:26Like a bunch of my coworkers have been like blinking because it's just easier to see the display that way. But that looks crazy. You look like Popeye. Then you just look like Popeye all the time in very chunky Iris Apfel-esque glasses. So it's like, okay. You know, it is very genuine. And in that respect, my spouse lectured me for about 30 minutes as to why he didn't think I looked good in these glasses. And I was like, thank you. In the style section of my review, maybe I'll just record a video of you. And everyone can watch you go on a 30-minute tirade about how it's too chunky. Blorbo is just like text him about his glasses.

53:05What does he look like? Tell me. Yeah. Or Blorbo agrees. I do at times, like during my day, I have to be like, okay. I need a break from that. because it's quite heavy right you're welcome to dry them yeah i assume part of the chunkiness it has to do with the ray-ban yeah because that's the style but it's also the text it's also like if you look at the the arms and you see how much is in the arms it's like yeah they're just one size too large that's what it is they're just slightly too big i mean i will say that not to counter your spouse i thought they were flattering on you but they're big as hell like so it's like Like if you're not the sort of person that wants to wear that.

53:42Like you have to take my spouse with like a grain of salt because they're biased. They're like, listen, hot people, ugly things look hot on hot people because they're hot. You look better in every other pair of glasses you have. And I'm like, oh, thank you for calling me hot. But it's like, I can't really take your opinion seriously. Yeah, they saved on that one. They saved on that one. That's a good recovery. They're recovering that one. The spouse community has similar bits. I've done definitely where, you know, like seeing younger people dress like Jerry Seinfeld, like just being like, well, they're just trying to see what they can get away with.

54:13Yeah. Because like they know that, you know, they're going to look good in it, even though they're dressed, you know, the way I did in eighth grade. And it's also just one of those things where like, so my spouse has a prescription, so he can't actually see any because these don't have any prescription on them. He can't actually see the display at all. Oh. Because he doesn't have perfect vision. That's such a. So to him, the display was always in double vision. like the the halo and i was like oh that's that's a difficult thing i guess that's why they want you to have demos and whatnot to nausea right there yeah that's just i mean that was the vision pro like the vision pro was just like those though i always said there were minutes with that thing that were magical there were hours where it wasn't because when it focused and was in exactly the right position and got right and you could really see it was like you were like wow this is the future and then all of the rest of the time it always had trouble tracking my eyes i would constantly have to recalibrate the eyes and i'm like are you racist is this like a asian eye thing again because no one else was having this problem of my friends who had them but i constantly have to recalibrate it because i'd be looking at a thing and it's just not tracking properly jesus um i don't i don't think it actually i mean connect couldn't see black people I'm well.

55:28That was the Microsoft one. What is the AI component of this? So this has meta AI in it. Cool. Honestly, the update I like most is that if you make kind of like a fist and you tap your thumb twice, it'll bring up meta AI silently. So I don't have to go, hey, meta, out in public, which is whatever. But you can ask it questions. This motherfucker's using meta. Yeah. You can ask it questions so they just think you're talking to yourself at that point. So it's different kind of crazy. It is. It's kind of one of those, like, it's more normal to be like, I assume that she's having a strange Bluetooth conversation and not, like, directly talking to Mark Zuckerberg and asking for a favor.

56:05Yeah. So, like, you could go to a museum and be like, what picture am I looking at? The fuck is that? And it'll tell you. I took it to a car show. And I was like, what car am I looking at? So I was just walking around this car show and people looking at me crazy because I just kept going, what car am I looking at? And it would pop up what car I was looking at wrong part of the time because I had my car guy of a spouse next to me. And they were like, oh, yeah, that's a Ferrari insert model, whatever. And it would tell me it's a Corvette. And that two would be like, it's a car. It's a Corvette. That rocks said it was wrong.

56:39That's cool. Yeah. That's the one thing. It got some of it right. Just really struggled with Ferrari. That's the ad copy for AI. Yeah. It got some of it right. Yeah. 54 % of the time, the Jerry DePoto model to like building. It really struggled with Ferrari, which was hilarious because I was taking pictures where the logo was prominent. That feels like the most conspicuous car brand as well. It's anti-Italian bias. It's very common in AI. Anti-Italian bias. It could do the Alfa Romeos though. So not fully. All right. That's right. Selective anti-Italian bias. Yeah. It could do the Alfa. It's like, I do not recognize Puglia.

57:16I've been programmed not. All right. I'm going to wrap us up there. Victoria, where can people find you? You can find me at theverge.com, and I am at VicMSong on all platforms. And I just launched a newsletter called Optimizer recently. I just started paying for it because it was the only way to read Blorbo, and I needed it. Oh, thank you. And now for another publication to pay for. Where do you write? Oh, yeah. Defector.com is the website that we do. Victoria and I both are escapees, I guess you would say. Survivors. Yeah, survivors of the GeoMedia experience. and Defector just turned five. We are among the older of the things that rose from the wreckage of the Vice, Geo, Media, Omni fuck-up.

58:00And look at us now. But yeah, that's where you can read it. David J. Roth on Blue Sky is mostly where I post now. And yeah, I have a podcast with Drew McGarry called The Distraction and I have a podcast about Hallmark movies called It's Christmastown. Hell yeah. And of course you can find me and where's your ed.at, betteroffline.com for all my other crap. Daniel Goodman here, of course, in New York City. Thank you so much, Daniel, for producing us. Thank you, everyone. You will have, of course, on Friday, instead of a monologue, you'll have a duologue. I'll be talking with the Brain Merchant himself, Brian Merchant.

58:30We'll be talking about AI laws and Gavin Newsom and such and editing out a comment I made about him. Another nice survivor right there. Yeah, what, Gavin Newsom? No, we work very closely. Brian Merchant, the legend. And then next week, we're going to have a very special profile episode with Steve Burke of Gamers Nexus. I'm off to see him tomorrow. Thank you for listening, everyone.

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