411: How to “Quiet Quit” Your 9-5 Job and Become a Full-Time Boss

24:33If you look at traditionally how Americans talk to each other, when we meet each other. The second or third question that we ask each other is what you do for a living, you know? And so that was something that I always grappled with when I was still a nine to fiver and being a content creator. It's like people were like, yeah, but like, what do you do for work, work? And then it'd be like, okay, I do this. And they're like, yeah, okay. Like I understand. And it's like, no, that's just like a third of what I'm doing all day. It doesn't even represent who I am. So that will be more and more a thing with Gen Z.

24:59So what I'm saying is like the idea that we have of work-life balance today is awesome. It's like, you know, you can work at 10am instead of 9am because you have a dentist appointment great stepping stone I think that that's awesome and Gen Z will come in and really show like you're you know we talked a little bit about like quiet quitting and stuff like that it's like no I hear I'm here to do my job responsibilities if we want to do anything more than our job responsibilities that increases our pay because that's how it makes sense and then if not like I want the space to be able to you know create side hustles for myself or do passion projects on my own I want that space to be able to do that And so that's where we're getting all these like quiet quitting and all these different crazy trends that are going on right now.

25:36But anti-work is basically like a riff off of there's r slash anti-work, which is like a subreddit community. It's crazy if you've ever I definitely like when you're bored, like go in there. It's just nightmare work stories and just crazy stuff that goes on. And like I used to work in retail and a lot of them are like retail focused and just the whole gamut. So it's like that plus the whole millennial term girl boss, which was like the whole concept of climbing the corporate ladder. So it's kind of the balance of the two. But at the end of the day, I'm just teaching people to be more discerning.

26:06Like, hey, what do you want to do from nine to five? What do you want to do throughout the day? What are you interested in? Are you getting full ROI? And the ROI means return on investment. Like, are you getting a full return on investment on what you're doing? Are you fulfilled? If not, how can you create that for yourself? Stuff like that. And just to kind of piggyback off of what both you and Scott just said, Scott made a comment that where he said that Gen Z is a little more skeptical. And I think that is so spot on, especially with everything that you talk about, because you guys are skeptical, you know, and I'm a millennial as well.

26:37So you guys are skeptical in that you're like, well, wait a minute, working 4000 hours a week is like not fun. Zero out of five stars don't want to continue doing that. How do I how do I not do that, but still live a life that I want to live? And I think you guys are balancing that so perfectly. So I love the whole anti-work girlbossing, the whole quiet quitting, like let's just, you know, do the work we were paid for and still be allowed to live our life as humans. So I love all of that. But I do have another question for you, which is I feel like right now, if you're somebody who wants to rely on a nine to five, you know, going into tech is looked at as super sexy because there's all these different perks that you get.

27:17But also it's really tumultuous. Becoming an entrepreneur and a content creator is really sexy because you get to work for yourself and do things that you're passionate about. But both of those things are also like really volatile industries. So what would you recommend to someone who was interested in going and pursuing the life of their dreams, doing the quiet quitting, working, but also following their passion? What would you say? Because both of those things are hard. It's all hard. And yeah, to be totally transparent, Amanda, because that's so true. It's like, I don't want to sit up on here and like sell this dream of like, oh, you just get to do this thing and like choose it and it happens for you.

27:54Like it takes some it takes some work. It takes some focus and it takes trial and error. And it's also OK to fail sometimes. And, you know, and that's that's how it is. So at Anti-Work Girlboss, like we really preach this idea of a lazy girl job. And so what I mean by that is it's safe. It's equitable. It pays your bills. You can, there's room for work-life balance. You have a great, you know, you have a great transparent and honest relationship with your boss. So you can, you know, articulate clear boundaries back and forth to each other. So I'm still on the team, you know, tech jobs will fulfill that.

28:30I know that obviously the tech industry has gone through quite the gamut in the last year. So it may be a little bit harder to find jobs like that. But for me, I always preach like, hey, there's something in the tech industry that you can do because there's people that, you know, are in like literally unsafe jobs trying to make things work or hustling in a way that just isn't safe for women, especially. So that's something that I really try to make cool is like, what's wrong with like making 75K as a marketing associate and then the extra time that you do have just figuring it out? I mean, that's literally how I figured it out, you know, so I'm just like, it doesn't sound as sexy, right?

29:03It's not that cool yet because it's like you're kind of spread then and you're doing all these things. But like, why can't we normalize a nine to five that pays your bills and is, you know, super soft? It's kind of like that soft life and stuff like that. Like there's something really sexy to that. And like when you become self-employed, you have to wait two years anyways to buy a house traditionally because you have to have that average and stuff like that. So when you're thinking about the other stepping stones to adulthood, it's like, you know, it could make sense to stay in a salary job. So for me, I mean, I always preach that to my community.

29:32I don't expect everyone to, like, come into this, like, content creation space with me. It's not ideal for everyone. And it's actually, like, not as glamorous as it seems all the time. And you understand that very, very hard. But I hope that that, like, answers your question in, like, a fair, practical way. Because that's what I really try to maintain. at Anti-Workable Boss, I'm not here to like sell a story. I love that. And actually, you know what, I probably jumped the gun. I should ask you, can you define for everyone what quiet quitting is? Okay, well, like the definition of it is like, you don't go above and beyond anymore at your job.

30:06So typically, obviously, like what we do at corporate jobs is like we're promised, you know, you go above and beyond, you do the extra work, you do all of that. And one day you will get the promotion, one day you will get the raise and stuff like that. That's one way, right? Like, I'm not saying that that's wrong, but really what Gen Z coin is this term of like, no, I'm staying discerning in what I'm doing. You've hired me to do X, Y, and Z. I'm going to do that. And then the rest of the time, I'm either making a family or making a side hustle or something like that. There's more of that creation and that multifaceted thing that we were talking about earlier.

30:40So that's really what it is. And so quiet quitting as a whole, I don't really put my stamp of approval on because it's interpreted in many different ways as, you know, as content is. So it's not something that I'm necessarily like, hey, kids, go out there and quiet quit. I just mean like, hey, figure out what you want to do outside of work, too, if like work's not fulfilling for you. I've also made content in the past before where I'm like, why are we putting so much weight on our jobs anyways to make us happy? Like, it's kind of not really what it's there for. Like it's there for the transaction of your work and your pay.

31:13Of course, like having nice coworkers, of course, you know, having someone of a fulfilling intellectual job is like super awesome. But like what just happened to, I don't know, just just facing it, you know, actually like viewing this at face value and just being like this is the job and it's not here to like fill my cup up to the fullest. That's like my job outside of work and stuff like that. And so that's why I try to stay practical with it. But why quitting is just super interesting for Gen Z because we've we've entered the workforce at a difficult time. So I entered the workforce at 2019.

31:44That's when I graduated college. So that summer we were still going into the office because it was before the whole, you know, go home kind of thing. So I remember like going into the office and like putting my outfit on and being like, oh, I'm doing this for the next 40 years or whatever. And then, you know, March 2020 happened and there was no raises. There was layoffs and stuff like that. So we've had quite a wild ride. And so I think Gen Z is really staying, I don't know, staying observant of that and trying to be safe with the time that we're giving and what the actual payment back is. I think millennials, like you all too, like the 2008 recession was kind of your version of that.

32:20And so I think that there was that kind of coming of age and, you know, that almost uproar of like, hey, this is what we want, corporations, that really started this stepping stone for Gen Z. So it cycles, it happens. Let's, I'm a CEO. Let's pretend that I'm 30 years older and we'll add the adjective crusty to my demeanor here. I'm not familiar with the term quiet quitting and I learned that Gabrielle is quiet quitting on our company. What does that mean? Does that mean like she's going to do a bad job? Does that mean that she's going to, you know, skip out? Does that mean that once she finishes the assignment that I give her, she's going to start working on her side blog during work hours?

32:59Like, how should I understand this as a skeptical, you know, Gen X or, no, I'm not Krusty yet, baby boomer. They're not Krusty either. Sorry. None of those. But just tell me how, like, someone who's maybe not as in the know with this should interpret it, maybe at another level. Is Krusty your first name or is that just like a nickname? My brother's name is actually Rusty. but yeah not yeah so funny um okay so my interpretation of it is if I were you know if say I was your assistant and I'm prepping you on on the meeting that's going on I would be like hey so Gabrielle is doing her tasks and she's doing them well she's staying active at work she's not not showing up to work right like she's there but she doesn't seem motivated to do extra stuff she's not really checking in with her manager for extra work um it doesn't really seem Like there's a lot of co-collaboration going on, but she's doing her work and she's getting the job done.

33:52Okay. Fair enough. Do you think this is a power dynamic shift between companies and employees over the last couple of years and that it may be reversing? Or do you think that this is here to stay? Such a good question. I think about this every day. I literally think about this every day because it like haunts me. I'm like, because my thing is like, what's respectful and what's fair? What's responsible, right? Like, I think Gen Z has a lot of leverage to come in and be like, you laid off everyone, so I'm going to sit here and do nothing. Like, what are you going to do about it? Like, there's tons of leverage for that, but that's not responsible.

34:22That's not efficient. That's not helpful. That's not anything. So I always think about with that lens as well of, like, what's the end goal? Like, what's the end goal of quiet quitting? Like, how is it actually going to affect us in the future? What started quiet quitting? You know, and we've talked about it a lot. It's like, it's the economy and, like, what happened and what Gen Z really values. I think workplaces also, I mean, like the great resignation happened. And so I think that that was a huge shift for workplaces as a whole and employers. I work with a lot of people who are trying to get into the tech industry or have just got laid off from a job or whatever.

34:57And there's companies that are just shutting computers off. Like, I'm sure you've just seen news like that, where they're just they're shutting the computer off and you actually don't even know that you got laid off until 8 a.m. that day. so I don't know like we're seeing a lot of retaliation on both sides um I wish I had a magic wand to like help everyone out at the same time but again it's it's such a loaded question but it's it's a question that needs to be talked about more for sure because I think especially me and other creators in my place like there's a lot of people that look up to us and I try to be really conscious of what I'm saying because especially on TikTok there's some young young kids and I don't want to create this whole like well Gabrielle Judge said that I could just close my laptop kind of thing.

35:37Like, that's not what I want to do. But I also want to teach kids of like, stay discerning to what you want to do and be really clear about your work boundaries, because it's open now. Like we can start doing that. I love all of that advice. And I have to say that you made a comment that Gen Z was really interested in quitting. And I feel like I have to speak on behalf of all millennials that we are interested in following your guidance here because you are on to something I think. But I I have to ask, how does one set those boundaries appropriately within workplaces that might not be as forward thinking?

36:13I think about that a ton. So I always am really careful, too, when I make content. I can really only speak to the tech industry when it comes to professional stuff because that's what I've been in since 2019. I have a computer information systems degree. That's what I went to school for. Prior to that, I mean, I was in the restaurant industry. I've done tons and tons of customer service jobs, but it was a different lens. It was a younger me. so it's hard for me to give advice on something that I don't know so that's something that a lot of times like I do get comments sometimes where it's like well not everyone you know works in tech industry and like absolutely super fair and never going to delete that comment never going to you know make them feel bad for that like absolutely that's such an important thing I mean one thing that I do is like I teach people how to use chat gpt and other free tools to like leave their job for a better job and so that's that's a huge solution that I try to do with people of like how can we practically get you out of that job in that situation if there's like no way to negotiate these things that you want, how can we get you out of that job?

37:05I'm actually like with, you know, our offering of being able to quit jobs with AI, I'm actually doing a lot of research with people who work in other areas of STEM. So like science, technology, engineering, and mathematics for people who don't know what the acronym is. And I'm working a lot with like medical people right now because I don't understand that world at all, but I want something for them because I I feel like there's a lack of career guidance in that industry as a whole. It's very educational and it's very like scholarly. And I think that there's a lot of like career gaps in that. And so I'm working with like a small group of people in the medical field right now, too, because I'm trying to roll out like way better messaging for people beyond the tech industry.

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42:32So can you walk us through how you've leveraged the tool to be able to help people with their job hunt and other things? Yeah, everyone hates getting a new job. Everyone hates interviewing for a new job. Everyone hates that horrible, horrible position you're in where, like, you are fully committed to a job. You are working 50 to 60 hours a week and you have, like, zero time to look for another job because everyone knows that is like a whole part-time job in itself. You know, like that's a whole thing. Yeah. So I've been thinking about that a lot last year. Basically, when I first got started as a content creator, I did one to one like career coaching.

43:04So I helped people break into the tech industry that have, you know, not as traditional background. So when I mean traditional backgrounds, like they don't have a four year technical degree and they're not like fresh out of college, you know. So these are like people that are doing career switches or, you know, they have a background in something else and they're trying to leverage that in stuff like that. and I really burnt out really quick and I was like how can I find a way to like serve a ton of people at once so I'm not just spending my time on these one-on-one things and how can I make a really affordable offering for everyone um so that's where you know chat gbt rolled out what end of last year early this year yeah end of last year and so new year's eve I spent the entire week of the new year just learning it and writing this program because I was just like we're doing this like I finally found a way that we can like leverage this and do it so to really like talk about what it is I mean it's for every step of the process right so it's like resume creation LinkedIn profile optimization like all the discoverable pieces right of of actually applying for a job typically those things take hundreds if not thousands of dollars if you're in the tech industry to do like that's such an archaic thing of like literally when I first got into the tech industry I think I spent like six hundred dollars on two resumes like that was such a thing.

44:18And I was like, this is ridiculous. Like with this program, like you can do it on your own and you can do it in an unlimited amount of ways. You don't have to sit there and like go back and forth via email with an agency. Like you can empower yourself and like make all these tweaks. So with ChatGPT, like you can write your own resume. You can also list out your accomplishments and really tailor your resume for each job posting. Because that's the thing too, that I always preach with my community is like, you didn't get any callbacks this week. And that makes a lot of sense, but also like what, how many job applications did you do?

44:47Was it 10 or was it a hundred? Right. Cause that's going to change your outcome so drastically. And it's just not like, who's going to sit there and apply to a hundred jobs a week. Like, it's just really crazy to do on your own. So I was like, cool. Like, here's a tool that you can automate all of this for free by yourself. Like chat to BT cost$0 to operate. I mean, you can get the chat to BT plus, but very accessible. Um, and so I'm really just teaching people how to fish. I don't want to I don't want to roll out like an agency and like Take hundreds of dollars from people and stuff like that.

45:16It's just like here Like this is one way that you can completely advocate for yourself and streamline the entire job application process I love that especially since since when you are applying to like multiple jobs You have to tailor your resume so specifically, especially if it's a few different jobs Um, so I love the idea of using technology like that to yeah personalize Yeah. I mean, on this point though, like we, we're getting a thousand, I posted a job, I got a thousand applicants, a thousand applicants for a job. And, you know, to whittle that down, like, absolutely. And I'll go one step further and say, look, yes, do this, customize the resume for the job.

45:57That's fantastic advice. Um, which I have never really considered. Um, I guess I haven't been on a job search in nine years, um, for myself, but second, put a cover letter and And don't use AI to write your cover letter, but use it to draft it or speed up that process of customizing it. Because when I get a thousand resumes, I'm like, or just they're just like floating in the pile. Even if it's a great resume, I don't like, what am I going to do with, how do I filter these things very quickly? Right. I mean, that's a tremendous amount of work on my side to do that. And, um, these, these tools are making it easier than easier than ever to just fling your hat in the ring.

46:31And it's, I have to go through it in half a second because I have no choice. I can't go through a thousand resumes in detail. Anyways, just an observation from my side, confirming your biases here. No, I love it. I'm glad that you're on board. So awkward transition here. But I have some questions about TikTok-ing, which you can tell I'm not very familiar with and don't do a lot of. Are you worried about the current climate in your business? I think that's the way you reach most of your followers is with TikTok. Are you worried about that getting shut down? What are your thoughts on that? or if you had to speculate on what the future of that platform is?

47:07You know, not to be snarky, but I feel like we all forgot what Facebook did with Cambridge Analytica. And I just, my whole thing is like TikTok isn't doing anything that American social media companies aren't doing already. And so not to get like wildly political, I just, I don't agree with the cherry picking that's happening. I do, obviously, I'm very pro, like things need to get figured out with technology. Like we need more representation in the government. We saw, you know, kind of that recent happenings with the TikTok CEO and stuff like that. There needs to be more representation. And like that's something that I'm very vocal about as a whole, especially as a young voter of like, you know, like, of course, I'm in a vote.

47:49Of course, I'm educated and stuff like that. And I want to stay in, you know, the whole the voting practice and make sure that I'm maintaining that every four years. And even in like the local stuff. there's no representation for social media and it just it scares the heck out of me personally and so I'm hopeful for the future I I'm hopeful in humans I'm hopeful in America like whatever happens I know that we can change and we can fix and we can we can grow and get better from so for me I'm not sitting here like white knuckling every day of like oh is TikTok going to be banned um there's certain stuff too where like that tiktok ban it has nothing to do with tiktok as a whole and it's more about like the vpn situation and and for anyone that doesn't understand in technology like virtual private networks are some of them are yes obviously for like very scammy things or like to pretend that you're something else and and those should be those should be regulated especially for um streaming platforms and stuff like that or actual businesses like definitely not telling anyone to like pirate anything but they're also helpful for personal security and stuff like that.

48:51There's some really ethical ways to use VPNs. Some of it just scared me in general. I didn't love seeing all of that. To be very honest with everyone, I haven't talked too much about the TikTok ban, but overall, I'm very excited about America as a whole, and I know that we'll figure it out at the end of the day. Let me ask you then. What advice do you have for somebody who would want to become a content creator? Because there's also lots of really great stuff that comes along with it as well. So being a content creator changed my life. The biggest thing that I see about it is you never know who's watching your content.

49:23And so the craziest opportunities will happen that you can never imagine. Like I've done, I've been doing casting calls for reality shows the last like two years and stuff like that, like just wild stuff that you didn't know that you could do. um business relationships have happened like i've gotten freelancing jobs and brand deals and stuff like that not even i haven't done a resume or a job application in years like it's just from making content and stuff like that if it's something where you don't want to make money off of it you don't want to be like super big the amount of just the way that you can cultivate a community and just the friends that you can make online is just so powerful as well like there's just such a community aspect to it as well.

50:01So my goal, like my tips are, it's really actually more of you getting in the way of yourself than anything. And no one has this like secret sauce. And if they do say that they have a secret sauce for going viral, I'm sorry, but they're probably not right. It's probably just not, it's not something that you can do like from step A to B to C that you can really do. So it's kind of like a, it's, it's unique. It's unique to you. And it comes with trial and error. So the biggest one that I always get when people are like, oh, I want to be a content creator, but I don't know what to do. Their biggest fear is like, well, what if I make gross content?

50:33Like what if I'm what Gen Z calls cringe? Like what if I'm cringey out there? What if I'm doing like gross stuff and then like my friend sees it or a co-worker sees it and stuff like that? I'm like, if it's bad content and it's not performing well, no one's seeing it. That's kind of the great thing about it. You get to just move on. Right. The second aspect to it is like, if your friends or your co-workers would ever see it, they saw it, you know, and like, I just, you know, it just, it's a part of life. And so for me, like I noticed it's much more of us getting in the way of our own selves, but my most practical advice is like, be really kind to yourself.

51:08Like you don't have to have it all figured out. I don't have it all figured out. Amanda, I don't know if you relate to this, but I'm sure there's moments where you're like, exactly. There's moments where you're like, I don't know. And you wake up some days and you just want to like delete your app. Cause you're like, I don't even know what this is today. Yes. It's, it's just part of it. And I would just say, like, create whatever lights you up. I make I used to make content just on my work from home job. That was so weird. You know, I think corporate Natalie was like the biggest person that like made that popular and stuff.

51:36But before that, it was so weird. And like, even my talent management, when they first picked me up last year, they were like, your niche is just so new and different. Like, we don't even know what to do with you. And so what I'm saying is like, you love painting, there's going to be someone in there for painting. Like there's just, there's so many communities and interests out there. I think that's what, why TikTok did so well is because it's so interest-based. It really cultivated that community for us. So just be authentic. Do you, if you get in the way of yourself, that's okay. Like I said earlier, make a ton of content creator friends, DM people, be kind.

52:08You will attract the right people and the right support and you'll figure it out eventually. I promise. I love all those tips. I literally couldn't have said them better myself. So I thank you so much for sharing. Thank you. So, Gabrielle, it's been a privilege to chat with you today and learn from your really thorough kind of grounding in what the future of a career and what that might look like for Gen Zers and other generations as well looks like. Where can people who are interested in learning more find out more about you and follow you? Thank you so much for having me today. This was so exciting.

52:39um uh yeah anytime that i can like be on a podcast and be able to talk about stuff i i also appreciate how thoughtful you all were when like thinking about my brand and and what i do i think it's very easy to create the story of like i don't want to work and i'm teaching kids not to work and so i really want to thank you for the open-mindedness and being able to let me you know just chat about you know these trends and these theories that i have so thank you so much for this space today. So my TikTok is at Gabrielle underscore judge. So just Gabrielle judge my name. My Instagram is anti-work girl boss.

53:10And so we have a lot of fun over there. Thank you so much for, like I said, just everything and very excited to just do the full-time content creation stuff this summer and see where it goes. Awesome. Well, we really enjoyed this and we totally get it. This, this whole show is about financial independence, retire early, right? Fire, So it's all under the same umbrella of goal here of taking back control of your life. And one observation I'll leave us with here is the logical response to the apathy that I think that a lot of folks feel about their jobs, in my opinion, is protect that job. Do exactly what you said.

53:47Good enough. Do a good job. Get your good performance reviews. Get your raise. Those kinds of things. but also move towards financial independence in some form or other, whatever that means to you, as rapidly as is reasonable for your situation and try to do it early in life because then you can live the remaining multiple decades, hopefully, on your terms. And that means something different for everyone. But I think it's all this kind of same fundamental concept that I think has been around for decades, but has been slowly compounding and growing amongst the generations. And Gen Z embodies that even more than perhaps millennials, Gen X, or baby boomers.

54:26And I wish you good luck on that journey. Thank you. Nine to fives are sexy, y 'all. They can feel your investments. They can feel your side hustle, I promise. All right, Amanda, that was Gabrielle. What did you think? Oh my gosh. I loved, loved, loved her. I want to be like her when I grow up. I think that all millennials, all ages have so much to learn from Gen Z, and I think she represented them so well today. Absolutely. I think everyone always underestimates the new generation. I remember that being the same case when millennials were in their 20s and early 30s. And I think that there's always this kind of dismissiveness, but you can never underestimate the next generation.

55:04They always have superstars filled throughout, and they're always the future and the potential of this country. And it's so wonderful to talk to somebody who's really kind of at the forefront of thinking about independence and freedom and control over your personal finances in the space. I really also loved a couple of the specific tips that she gave us today around like your resume. Right. Again, I'm I'm struggling to kind of figure out what are the best ways to use AI in my world. but formatting resumes, um, coming up with, you know, the early stages to a cover letter or something like that.

55:39Those are all great little, little tips that I think she has there. Um, thinking about your, you know, um, your work and setting up your financial position so that it's, it's strong. Um, and again, it's not a process. No one waves a magic wand when it's time to quit. It's just a process that you build towards and you have to make that break point. And I love the way that we were able to kind of dissect that and think about that position for her when she left her full-time job. Oh, absolutely. I think that they are the epitome and they define working smarter, not harder, right? Absolutely. That's the name of the game.

56:14And I'll say though, that Gabrielle thinks that she talks about quiet quitting a lot, but this is a lady who worked full-time job and then another full-time job, just like you, by the way, creating content on the side for years in a row, probably putting in 50, 60, 70, 80, 100 hour weeks when it's all told between the two jobs prior to moving back to one job where she probably still works 60 plus, 70 hours a week, if I can tell anything about the way that she's thought about all these different frameworks. So I love that it's work smarter, not harder, but she does both, I would say. And I think I would probably put you in that category.

56:55Is that Is that right? I would say yes. But I think also it's especially when you're young, right? The working smarter might be like grinding for a couple of years, but I know I don't want to grind for 60 years. And I think that that's really the conclusion that I came to in, you know, the whole quiet quitting era. It's not like go, you know, stop working tomorrow or don't do a good job right now. It's, you know, let's do everything intentionally and, you know, have a goal at the end of the day. Yeah. When I was in my first job, I was working at a Fortune 500 company. I gave it my all. I put everything I possibly could.

57:30And at the end of that year, I thought I was doing the same work as people that were five, 10 years my senior. I got a 2 % raise. And that, I think, to me, that was when I quiet quit. That's when I dived into the fire movement and this kind of thing. Why would I give my employer 100 % of my effort when that was the reward that was given to me at the end of that? What's the point? And I think that that Gen Z is just catching on to that faster than other generations. So I'm all for giving it your all in your work when that has the opportunity to be rewarded. And if it's not, then you need to slowly or quickly redirect those efforts to something that can scale.

58:10Right. Absolutely. I think they do a great job of just being unapologetically themselves and questioning everything. Awesome. Well, should we get out of here, Amanda? Yeah, let's do it. All right. From this episode of the BiggerPocketsMoney podcast, I'm Scott Trench, and she is Amanda Wolf from the SheWolf of Wall Street saying, see you later, alligator. BiggerPocketsMoney was created by Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench, produced by Kaylin Bennett, editing by Exodus Media, copywriting by Nate Weintraub. Lastly, a big thank you to the BiggerPockets team for making this show possible.

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