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23:38Right. And I'm in it for the long haul. I'm willing to be on a multi-decade journey with you guys. So I will take less in fund one, but then we'll talk about fund two, fund three, fund four as, as we continue to grow. And he was like, you're not going to let this go, are you? And I was like, yeah, I was like, just let me fly out and meet the guys, you know, like, let's, let's all get together. And so I flew out to San Diego and met Mike and Ryan in person. We had obviously met over Zoom, but that was my first time meeting in person. And we worked out a deal. I love it. And it's something that you obviously are passionate about too.

24:15I looked at it as like, this is something that, again, I could see myself being on a multi-decade journey, not only in this endeavor, but also alongside these people. So do you think all of your other endeavors really kind of led you to where you're at today? Gave you all the experience, gave you all the knowledge. It allowed you to really put everything that you had brought to the table, like this just kind of meant to be. Yeah, absolutely. So you feel like you kind of found home. It's a compound effect, right? I mean, look at everything built in the last 12, 15 years, right? And all the lessons you've learned and like all the things, right?

24:49So it's like knowing that it's a constant work in progress, like there's no doubt that the decisions we make today are far better than the ones. They're more informed at the very least, right? So did you have any failures in any of this? Like what, you know, because we talk about all the success a lot of the time, but I would say that the most successful people have failed many, many, many times. So what about like, where did you, where do you feel like you failed in any of the ventures? Yeah. So there's, there's a venture. So we'll talk about the ventures that are no longer around. Right. And a lot of people don't talk about it.

25:23You only talk about what's in your trophy room, but in reality, there's so much on the back burner or so many things that have happened that I think are building blocks to success. I never think that they're like mistakes or, you know, they're failures, but really the building blocks. So tell me about some of them. Tell me there was, there was a company, um, it was like embellished flats. Um, you know, I'm not, I'm not a flat sheet kind of girl, but I loved the designer. I loved the designs as well. And they were beautiful. They were like ballet flats. Um, and it was all embellished, right. With the stones and pearls and they're super girly.

25:54Yeah. And so I was like, if I were to wear flats, I'd wear these, right? The shoes were beautiful. It was just the operator that we were going to put in place, she ended up having life stuff happen like four months in after we launched. Then you already know. It made it hard. Yeah, it made it too hard. And we cobbled it together for like a year. And then it was just three partners. And so we all kind of looked at each other and we were like, are you going to run this? Because if you're not going to run that, like, you know, how are we going to do that? Unfortunately, that's no longer around, but it was lovely.

26:25I thought it. So would you learn, what was your takeaway from that? Um, one, of course there has to be an operator, right? And oftentimes, look, I, I don't mind rolling up my sleeves and getting in there and doing it. I agree. I just can't be the operator. I can't be the CEO because I, I just can't, that's just not me. Yeah. I'm not, I'm more of like the visionary, the one that, you know, I'll bring the hype, I'll build the culture, but I'm not the one with the, I'm not good on processes or systems. That's just not me or like the accountability. It's not me. I can bring other things to the table, but that's not, yeah, I'm not the operator.

26:55Definitely not. Yeah. So I, you know, I was like, hey, like, this is not going to work out long term. So, you know, we need to cut our losses on that. There was a company, it was like light emitting plants. It was like, it was cool. And they had the IP on it, right? It was like, they started, the first iteration was with a tobacco plant, actually. And it's because tobacco plants apparently are the easiest to genetically modify. right and so they were taking um like you know glow-in-the-dark like marine um bacteria basically right and genetically modifying these plants and then it was they glowed so it's like so let's say it was here they turned off all the lights and so it was glowing like emitting that sounds good okay it's beautiful and so it's just you have to water them yeah it's like a normal yeah i was like i'll kill them i'm not good with it's a normal plant but like yeah so i was just like this is so cool and it was like a niche thing there was like there's like a reddit planters there's a there's a whole group of there's a whole yes girl there's a whole like gardeners gardeners i know there's a whole there's a horticulture oh yeah they oh i know there's a whole they have conventions and everything yes they have a whole culture themselves yes i know that's why i was like this is this is this has legs on it because there was like hype around it already you know like and then the next iteration was petunias and so it was like this could have legs like what if you could put this into trees i mean like we had this like long vision on it again it was like an operations issue and we teamed up with um with the um educational institution in new orleans um because the r &d was so expensive it was like six hundred thousand dollars for every iteration of a new plant and i was just like you guys like yeah we're not you know like this is a like how are we doing it yeah like how are we gonna do this so yeah like i think that could have been really cool but it just it didn't work long term so what was the takeaway i mean again just um you know one expensive r &d right so unless you are venture backed like i've learned this now right like unless you need to if you need to grow fast um and you have like expensive r &d like that right that's where venture funding is is good because it's going to eat up your equity as a founder yeah but you need that cash where else you're gonna get six hundred thousand dollars every time you need to iterate a new plant this is crazy you know yeah yeah yeah so that's not going to work.

29:14No way. You can't put your own capital on that, especially for two plants, you're over 1.2 million. It's not going to work. Yeah, exactly. This is, this is not real life, you know, like you're just like, so you also raise, so you obviously you raise money too. So what if, okay, so how would you, what advice would you give to somebody that has like a great idea? They have capital, but they need a little bit more and they need to raise money. Where, where would one even begin to do that? Um, I would say one, so first off, open up your phone because your first anchor round are going to be the people who know you and believe in you.

29:44Yeah. Hands down, right? That's literally why they call it the family and friends around the anchor round, right? It's literally going to be people that you are calling and texting, telling them about what you're building, showing them your traction and asking them for an investment. The next layer after that, you got to get things dialed in, right? Whether it's your pitch deck, your data room. Like firms want to see that you are organized. And you know, yeah, you have your shit together. We're not expecting profit. We get it. Like you are early stage, right? But show us some traction, right? If you've got an app that you're asking people to download for free and you're just giving away the free version right now, then tell me how many users you have, right?

30:25How many people do you have on the subscription list? How many, you know, all these things. I don't care that you're not charging for it. I want to hear that you have, you know, 200 ,000 downloads. Yeah, and interest, people that are interested. Exactly. So that's important to know. I mean, you don't think that you can even, I would say as a small business owner, I've never gone and raised money. But I mean, it makes sense now. If you have a project or you have a venture that's doing, that has potential, you've already onboarded people. It's always, would you say a good idea if you know that it's going, if you believe, not know, I don't think we ever know, but if you believe it's going to go somewhere and it's going to be a multimillion dollar venture, would you tell people to go and raise money?

31:03I would say - If they don't have the capital. If you need money to iterate fast, right? And that's why tech is so big on raising because they need the money to iterate quickly, right? If you're starting a bakery, if you're starting a real estate business, like I don't know necessarily that you certainly don't need to go get like venture-backed funds. No, you roll your sleeves up. Yeah, totally. And maybe you can do enough with just your family and friends around, right? So that way you're not giving away all your equity because that's what you have to remember. All these firms are taking equity for their investment.

31:35It's not a grant. This is not charity. It's not for free. Right. Right. They're going to take equity in and they're going to fight for the evaluation that is going to make sense for them because they have to justify the investment to their investment committee. Now, how long did it take you to walk, to exit on each company? How many were required? I've had two exits. That's crazy. That's, I mean, that's something to be proud of. That says so much. And I just love it because you're just such a businesswoman, entrepreneur. I love it. So two exits and you already said you built seven, eight figure.

32:07And so I'm not even going to ask you what you exited at, but I mean, it's, I just want people to know that it is possible. And the idea, like, you know, your idea is never a stupid idea. There's always a niche for something, but how long did it take you for each of those companies to exit? One took seven years and that was a two X exit. And then one took 11 years and that was a three exit. Wow. Incredible. That takes time sometimes, you know, that isn't right. So tell me what you have going on now. You still have the real estate. Yes. So we acquired the angle invokers brand in 2022. And that's been awesome.

32:41Yeah, it's it. We actually have like really strong women who work for us. And I love. Yeah, I love that. It's like a really supportive environment. They're all hustlers they're all like just right yes like they're smart they're capable um i actually love um recruiting ladies who have a sort of like service background right whether it's like high end bottle service whatever it is because you know we do too that's what we like in our industry because you know they'll hustle you know that they're gonna hustle they will hustle right if if they were working on core beach club this summer you know they're gonna be in wedges from 9 a.m to 6 p.m they got the grind you already know they're gonna do it they're gonna get running around dealing with every drunk asshole with a credit card.

33:22You know what I mean? Yeah. That's why I like gym people too. Cause you know, people that have competed before, you know, that they have the grind. I love people from the, I recruited a ton of agents right out of LA fitness. I love that. Yeah. Got banned. But yes, I mean, it makes, it makes sense though. You like, you hire for, for what's going to work in your business and anyone that's competitive in a grinder, you're bringing them. I love that. Yeah, exactly. So, so yeah, love that. Um, so the real estate's been going really well. And, um, you know, it's one of those things where, especially with our agents too we always tell them look like you will get rich helping other people buy and sell real estate you will build wealth if you own real estate so we're really we push them hard on like if they don't already own their home already some do you know if they don't already own like own your home right buy an investment property buy an investment condo like it doesn't need to be something real estate that you would live in yeah like you can so we of condotels here in Las Vegas.

34:16And actually, I think in Orlando as well as like an asset class. And I like them because so we own seven of them. I like these condotel units as an investment class because so this is like Palm's Place, MGM Signature, Trump, the Dara. These are units that are inside a building that operates like a hotel. But the whole building is already zoned as short term. So you don't deal with like the Airbnb logistics headache of, oh, well, you have to be a thousand feet from someone or you have like they keep changing their restrictions. The whole building is already zoned short term. So it makes it a lot easier too.

34:53And you net the most doing third party like Airbnb, or you can just enroll the unit into the building's hotel program and they rent it out like a normal hotel room. Right. And then they just cut you a check or they ACHU. I love that. Okay. Real question on, okay. So I'm, I'm actually struggling this with myself. Okay. So there's the BRRRR method, right? I know there's the, and then there's, see, I'm like, I'm getting good. Yeah. So I got it over here. So I know there's really two methods, right? There's the BRRRR method. So for people that want to buy real estate, cause I know you're really involved with the real estate and then you can buy in cash.

35:27So what would you say for somebody that, I mean, they have money or whatever, they have money to invest. Would you, what's your preference? The BRRRR method or the total cash? So there's a few different factors. One, like if you were a high W-2 earner, right? Like had I stayed in my job at the law firm, right? Then I'd be, you know, writing checks to the government for 37 % of my income, right? Real estate is a great way to reduce your taxable income while obviously still building up this asset that will keep paying you and continue to pay you. It's also a personal risk tolerance. There are some people out there who just like it gives them anxiety if they have payments on something or if they owe debt on something so also something to consider um but ultimately you know for example like i said even with like the condo tells right um these are units that if the strip is busy the last week strip is busy your units filled and it's like whether we have f1 or super bowl and it's always busy so it's like a low risk it's low risk well in the the weekdays you have conventions here So there's always, the point is like, there's always opportunity for it to be filled, right?

36:33This is not like some rental in the Midwest that relies on - Yeah, so you're constantly getting your money back or your money back, your ROI on it. Yeah, absolutely. And so, you know, I think those are kind of general factors to look for. But ultimately, if you can diversify out your assets, right? If you can have investments in real estate, if you can have investments in businesses, if you can have investments in your own businesses, there's a really nice, I think, very relieving sense about it of knowing that you have different money coming in from different places. And so you don't have to sweat it when it's like, oh, real estate's seasonal.

37:06You know, it's December. It's going to be quiet, whatever it is, right? Like, you don't have to sweat it because my mailbox stores are in the middle of holiday. Oh, we forgot to even talk about that. So you also have mailboxes. Is there anything you don't miss Nevada? Beautiful. I mean, cupcakes swimwear like is there anything you don't do so i forgot we didn't even talk about that so mailboxes as well yeah yeah i i love the business model so it's it's mailbox rental pack and ship stores think like a ups store but independent okay and so you service ups fedex and the postal service um i started those in 2018 and it's low maintenance low overhead i knew after like starting a bakery i was like i don't want to have a perishable product again i don't want to Something that's like high staff, like high equipment costs, right?

37:49Like you're talking convection ovens and walk-in fridges and walk-in freezers. Right? Yeah. No, no. It makes sense. And you're a huge fan, obviously, of passive income and multiple streams of income, which is really important for women because a lot of times we get caught up, you know, we get married or whatever. And these are all you, right? I'm sure you have something with your, I don't know if you do with your husband, but this is all you prior to your husband because you just got married in 2024. for. So this just goes to show that not that anybody, obviously you have the brains and you have built an amazing portfolio for yourself, but it does show that you can be an individual woman and have individual assets on your own, which I do think is really important.

38:27I think it's super important. I do too. Because like, actually, if you look at the data, women in our 20s, like when we get out of school, right? And if you compare us peer to peer to men in their 20s, same education level, maybe even same job, same sector, we actually outperform them when it comes to income level. Where it starts to like drop off is because in our 30s, we get married. We want to get married. Yes. We get married. That's the problem with our business, why women don't last, because then they have this biological clock that takes. Well, so we take our foot off the gas, right? And so that we either plateau or we start doing this.

39:01Meanwhile, dudes have been working this whole time, right? So they're working, working, working. And that's why their income going like this. Ours either, we were literally like this and then it started, you know what I mean? Yeah. And so that's why like, it's okay for you to build and grind and then have it. Right. I agree a hundred percent. And one thing that we didn't talk about, you also are a mom. So I don't want any of the viewers to think that, you know, she's just out here by herself, living up in Vegas. She's not, she's married. She's a wife. Yeah. But you were grinding. It doesn't matter.

39:31You're grinding dirt. It doesn't, you know, and now you're a wife and you're a mom and you're a business owner. So you can have all three things. I was reading, I was actually on threads today. I'm like trying to get into threads, this whole thing. So I was like reading this, this thread from this, I guess, a mom that says how to moms, you know, go to the gym, get up at 5 30 AM, cook breakfast, do this. I'm thinking to myself, this is my life. What do you mean? How do you do it? You just do it. Yeah. There's no excuses. You just do it. Which is why we're such great, like executors, right? That's why we're such great operators.

40:00Because we're already doing it. we're already we just do it you know yeah i i 100 agree and you don't know what's going to happen tomorrow and it's the way that i was brought up my father died when i was very young and my mom i'm also an only child my mom raised me alone and the one thing that she instilled in me is you don't know what's going to happen tomorrow so you have to prepare and make sure that you can financially be stable on your own no matter what happens because you never know you don't know you You have no, and it's not about divorce. It's not, it's just life. Life can happen. And, you know, building your own thing.

40:34I mean, yeah, I think it's important to be married, but I also think it's very important to have individuality. So like be Mara outside of my husband, Seth. And yes, we have things together, but I also like to have my own individuality and do my own thing and venture on my own thing. And I think it's really important as a woman that something that's not spoken about, that should be spoken about is, yes, it is important. I do believe that to have a family and, you know, get married. I do believe in gender roles at times, but I also believe that having your, keeping your own individuality and your own, you know, your own identity is very, very important for anybody.

41:09Absolutely. It's your sense of purpose. It's your personal interest. It's these things that like, you know, there's, I feel like with women, especially, like we're used to self-sacrifice. Yeah. Like we're used to falling on the sword and like, whether it's for family, whether it's for our teams, whatever it is, you have our girlfriends, like we're used to doing it. Using our own bodies, you know. Literally, right? Like we're used to doing it and maybe we're biologically predisposed to do it. Yeah. I get it. But to your point, like if for some reason, like, you know, it doesn't feel aligned with you or you feel unfulfilled or all these things, maybe it's because you aren't pouring enough into yourself.

41:45Yeah. And I don't think that makes you selfish. I don't. And I think a lot of women would disagree with us. But I do believe that I have to have my tank full before I can fill anybody else's. and my purpose has to be far greater than who I am. And I don't, you know, no shade to the at-home moms. That's their purpose. That's just not my purpose. And I don't feel guilty that I run a business and I have three kids and I travel. I don't feel guilty at all, zero. I am unapologetically a mom, a businesswoman, but I'm also unapologetically Mara. So, and I don't feel guilty about it. And at least for me, like it makes me feel like I show up better.

42:21I agree. I show up better for my husband. And your kids are watching. I show up better for my son. Yeah. Your kids are watching. Like my daughter's about to go to school, right? She's, I just told you she's going to Pace, right? And my daughter, and if you ask any of my kids, like, have you ever been upset that mom wasn't home? And all three of my, maybe the little one, cause he guilts me. He's learned this guilt thing now, but my big ones will always tell you, no, they watch the grind. So my daughter is on her grind. She wants to go to school, you know, for business. She knows business marketing with a focus on content creation, like, and, and she's watched it from the way beginning.

42:53And that is what, that's the persona I want her to see is that I've never slowed down. I've had divorce, you know, we've had downfalls, but in all of that, I've never forgotten who I am. And I didn't plummet. I kept going up and that's important. I think that's super important because they're looking to you as the example. Who else are they going to get the example from? They're not, they're not going to. And with the society right now is hard and it's hard. It is tough out there for kids, but they have to have a very stable example and somebody that is leading from the front and that is you. So having this conversation with you is just, it's, it is so refreshing to find somebody that really understands that, yes, being a mom is important.

43:31Yes. Being a wife is important, but also being Lisa is just as important. If not more. Totally. Yeah. It helps me show up better. I agree. Everyone else in my life. Yes. Can you, I cannot imagine just being home. I couldn't do it. I don't think I, first of all, I'd be a terrible at home mom. So I do give a credit to all the at home moms, but I do have to have something outside of that, that identifies me as me. So I think that's really important as well. So today, okay. So today you are running, let's talk. So now today you have the real estate funding. Yeah. The VC fund. Um, yeah. So we did a $20 million fund one.

44:06And then, um, this past summer we announced a$50 million,$50 million fund two, um, and fund one, we have 25 investments and, and they're kind of all across the critical technology spaces. So in our portfolios, we have 3D printed drones, 3D printed satellites, cybersecurity, you know, a lot of like very technical, fast moving, you know, national security led types of businesses, which clearly that's not my personal background, right? Like I didn't build businesses in 3D printed satellites or anything like that. But I know what it takes to build an eight-figure business, right? And I know what it takes to hire right.

44:46I know what it takes to put in systems. And so it's just so much fun to get to be part of that journey with these founders because these are elite founders. Like, you know, so we invest in veteran-led companies and it's not like you're run-of-the-mill guys and gals. I love that it's veteran-run because you hear so many terrible stories about how, you know, veterans will come out and they're not supported. But I mean, you are a specific company that really, that you invest in veterans. I just love that you do that. Well, they're elite. I mean, we say we invest in elite founders, right? And we looked at 3 ,000 deals to invest in 25.

45:22And these founders, I mean, they're former Navy SEALs. They're former Green Berets, former Army Rangers. These are people who are so elite at operating. Again, people that are grinders. Like, you know if they're in the Green Beret, you know they are taking this to the next level. You already know. Yeah, exactly. They will work eight days. You know what I mean? They're getting it done. Yes, they will work eight days with no sleep. and and there's no oh i'm too tired or like oh no they're getting up they're showing up you know they are yes because the amazing thing too is like look after everything they've been through on like the tactical side right whatever they're building it is not life and death it is not life and death so it actually is so smart for them on like a mental capacity side because it helps minimize all the drama we have in business right everyone has drama in your business things happen.

46:10They're probably like whatever. Yeah. They're like, this is not even a big deal. They're like, this is a problem. They're like next, you know, like they move on quick structure. They compartmentalize, they move on quick, they iterate quickly. And that's half the battle, right? That is everybody's getting ready to get ready, but I'm sure they're executing like that. They're structured and you know, they're timely, you know, everything is organized. It's already there. All the cliches, everything that you're looking, consistency, hard work, sacrifice, this is what the ideal person is yeah and it's always they do well in our business they do well in our business too because they come from they come from a structured background they already know that they're going to grind even for us it's leads so when the leads are you know hard or shitty they're never complaining about it and typically they do very very a lot of the cleaners i love that we have complainers all the time i love the complainers they complain constantly about everything it's not the leads that suck it's you no no but yeah they do very well in our business as well.

47:05Same thing. Because they're just, I mean, they're structured people and they, and they are results driven. Yes. Yeah, exactly. It's great. Every, anyone that I know that's a vet has done very, very well. You know, it's someone, they've just done really, really well in sales because they're just not giving up. Even if they're like the shittiest salesperson, they're still getting it done. Yeah. They're still trying. It doesn't matter. They're still going and eventually they get it done. So it works out in every way. So what is next for you? What's your next venture? Well, you know, I'm really excited, like I said, with the Fund 2 that we have launched.

47:35So it's the same investment thesis, but it's awesome because it'll allow us to really just support in a larger way. We'll be able to write bigger checks, basically. So in Fund 1, we were investing either$250 ,000 or$500 ,000 and saving some for follow-on as well. But with Fund 2, we'll be able to write a million dollars into a company, right? And get that allocation and really like get them give them the shove right of like okay let's go then right so we're really excited about that um so that's really kind of been the main thing that we've been focused on just like so we just announced it this summer and so we were like in the middle of the raise and we start to look at companies now um and just this kind of new journey being a mom right yeah i'm sorry is there more on are you having more on or like we're just staying at the only child thing i'm good with I'm an only child, right?

48:25So I'm good with one. But it's just been such an incredible journey to just have this small little human who is like developing right before your eyes. I love my kids more than, I would never change it. It's incredible. It's so amazing. So it just, yeah, I feel like it just, I guess, you know, adds more color to everything that I'm doing. I would say it's a transition though, because I'm an only child. So it's very funny that I have three children and two of them are boys because I'm a girl, like I'm a girly girl. Oh, I just assumed I was going to have a girl. Yeah, I thought I'd have all girls.

48:57So I have one girl that's exactly like me, which is probably not the best thing. And then I have two boys. So I'm also, yeah, I'm a boy mom. Yeah. And three kids. Which is a difference. Yeah. It's crazy. So not only do I have three kids, but two of them are boys. But I would not, I'm obsessed with my children. I mean, they are first and foremost in my world. I love them so much. So no matter what's going on, they're a blessing. I love sitting down at the dinner table, especially during holidays, and just looking in and be like i made that i made that that's me yeah i love that so it's it is fun i would definitely tell you to have more i like i i wish i had more i love my kids that much they're so much fun yeah no so did i convince you more kids i mean my husband is he's totally down he's down for more kids i'm like you're i don't know your son's still little though he's only nine months so just enjoy that and then i know i feel like he's already he's like big you know what i mean like wait till they're 18 i know but it's fun it is fun being a mom it is and then you just add more to your brigade and then it's just like a whole fleet of them i just love everything about so people want to find you where would they find you um on social um at lisa song sentence it's still under my maiden name i haven't changed my handles um i changed like my name right on the profile but like i haven't changed my handles over and i don't know i think i'm just like i don't want to like maybe I'm like mourning the loss right like I'd spent all that I've spent my entire adult life like building this personal brand.

50:27Listen I agree I did not want to take I even today I'm like I don't identify as a Dorn that's my last name like I just want to be Mara like not Mara Dorn I just want to be Mara you know I spent a long time building me so I but no I did I actually did go with the Dorn thing. Yeah yeah. My legal name you know my driver's license right I've got Gunderson on it but it's enough it's enough you know I don't know I'm with it I get it I get do you do any I saw you do some classes too do you yeah so um the mailboxes actually I have a program um that just came out of nowhere like happenstance um literally I was getting people who were like cold emailing me or DMing me or calling my stores asking how they could open up their own store in like San Diego or wherever they lived um because they saw me talking about the stores like on social media.

51:18And I was answering these like one-off emails, which was not sustainable. Right. It was like inundating. And I was like, well, I don't want to like ignore these people. How am I going to do this? And so I ended up putting everything into like one platform. Like all, we took all our SOPs from the stores, like how we run day to day, threw them onto a platform. And then now it's like turned into a thing. So over a hundred of my students have opened their own store all around the country. I love that. I know. I love that for you in Puerto Rico too. We have a store in Puerto Rico. Like it's just crazy.

51:50Like I love that. And you're helping, I mean, you're helping people every day on top of that. So that's what I think that's really the true, you know, the true mission here is helping other people. And you've done that. You've, I mean, it is, it has been incredible. I can't like you, you like my wheelhouse is just turning, just talking to you. I love talking to other women, especially ones that are entrepreneurial and they get it. So it has been such a pleasure. you're us you are a breath of fresh air you're beautiful smart a true bilf you really are it the conversation is just i can go on like i could sit here all day with you yeah i'm like cocktails oh yeah we can go after and have a drink oh my god it really you are such a breath of fresh air you have when i come here i'm definitely gonna hang out please yeah i'm going to yeah there's so much here like yes and then you'll have to show me like all the cool stuff maybe not no i'll come more okay we're just coming out yeah Yes.

52:42You know, today's episode was so special. And for the women and men, but especially the women that are out there, I really hope that you see that, Lisa, is a true testimony that you can do and become anything that you want. So I have a challenge for you. I actually have a 21-day challenge, right? Because it says like 21 days to change any habit, right? And a big part of my purpose is living with intention and purpose. You have to. You have to be structured in some kind of way. So I'm not completely organized, but I would say I'm pretty regimented. So for those of you that really want to challenge yourself, challenge yourself by seeing my 21 day challenge.

53:15I will put everything in the in the notes below. So you'll be able to see that. I'll post it on my website, but go ahead and think outside of the box. And for those of you that have not done so already, please like subscribe, Lisa, tell all of your friends. And if you like my conversation with Lisa, check out my conversation with Julia Hart and many other women that have been on the Bill thought until next time thank you very much it's been such a pleasure thank you thank you so much for having me thank you