Skincare & Makeup Tips From a NYC Pro: What Actually Works (And What’s a Waste of Money)

0:00Welcome back to the BILF pod where authenticity trumps authority. Well, I'm excited today because this is something that I love. I love anything with aesthetics. So today's conversation is going to be about cosmetics, but I also have a professional makeup artist. She's an esthetician, also a host. I'd love to welcome you to the BILF pod. Welcome Amanda Gabbard. Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited. Yes, I'm so excited. Well, welcome to the show, Oh, girl, I'm so excited. Me too. So this is like a topic that I absolutely love. And I'm sure that you can give me a little tips, tricks, and everybody else that's watching.

0:35Because every, who does that? I think everybody likes makeup. Men, women, everybody. Yes, makeup and skincare. It's like endless topics, endless questions. Yes. Yes. Have you always, so is that something, because we were talking before about makeup and like growing up. Now, has this something like that has always been something of yours that you love skincare and makeup? A hundred percent. Like, I didn't care about dolls or toys as much. I wanted to like go to the drugstore with my$5 allowance and be like, oh my God. Like the biggest decisions of my life were how can I spend this$5? Right. And I would just play with it and I'd keep it for years.

1:08Like in a gross way. Too long. But I was like, it's special. It's a gross way. And so I loved like anything glamorous and like fancy perfume. Like just the girliest girl ever. And then it's so funny. Then I started like playing on my friends with it and then watching my mom get ready. She would do shows at night. I love the smells of it. My grandma would come and she would do a play. I'd be like, wow. I just couldn't wait to slather stuff on my face. I had small goals. I love that. So when did it become for you more of a real interest as opposed to a hobby? I think when I also loved the entertainment world and acting and singing.

1:46So I did that for years. I got a BFA. I went to New York in 1999. And on the side, you have to have a side hustle, right? So you can wait tables. I did makeup. I did temp jobs, everything. So I loved performing. I loved people and entertaining them. And on the side, I love just as much making them feel awesome, talking to them, getting them ready. And then one day I was like, I'm more excited about the phone call of, hey, Amanda, can you do makeup on the commercial rather than be in the commercial? I was like, yes. I don't know why. I think also I'm too type A. So every day, I mean, it gives you a very thick skin, which I love being rejected every day.

2:20But I don't know. I just was like, I want to create and do things that I'm not going to wait to create. I'm going to do it myself. Right. So you, so when you made the switch, right, you went to school, you, you got, you went to school here. I went to school in St. Louis at a conservatory called Webster, which was really like cutthroat and very tough. Right. And then you just, and then when did you make the transition that, you know what, you, this is what I'm going to really do for a living and kind of. I would say like about 20 ish years ago, I've been in the city 25 years and about 20 years ago, I was like, I think I'm ready for the switch.

2:50And it felt so right that every networking and auditioning skill and people skill I learned I put it toward makeup and beauty industry right and it just went like this so I connected my two loves I do beauty for the entertainment world right and so it's kind of like a perfect just a perfect storm there now you've been called the bride whisperer I heard oh my gosh so what can you like can we talk about that what does that mean yes I was just telling your friend here in the studio that my parents we're all psychiatrists and so I always my joke is like I am too with the makeup brush but I think it really is like I am so close to people every day of the week we're like this yeah I'm not behind their doing hair in front of their face yeah we are so close I'm like a dentist and like one more inch so you get to like feel their energy and talk to them and I think it's important in any profession to adapt right to the human in front of you yes what do they need maybe just get out of your own mind for a minute I feel their energy are they nervous are they excited are they insecure sure so with a bride who's having her biggest day ever with a broadway performer who's about to go sing in front of thousands um a tv I know of that red carpet there's so much pressure on them so I feel like I'm the makeup whisperer in general because I'm like I got you you're gonna be amazing yeah and like when I watch them go I'm like I'm so proud of you like because I know how sometimes you need that I know what it's like when I'm getting dressed or getting ready to do something public you you know you're in your head so when you have somebody I feel like I tell the makeup artists that I just meet more shit than anybody around me.

4:19They probably know more about me than like my own close personal friend. We really do. And I'll see them a year and I'll be like, hey, how was your son doing? Like, I'll remember like all these things where I take that really personally and very, I'm very thrilled that they trust me. I take it very seriously that they are telling me like, we're talking about like aging, marriages, our weight gain or anything. Because like when I take their makeup off, it's like trying on a bathing suit. They're like, don't look at this don't look at this and I'm like look at these bags look at this look like we all have it and then we end up laughing at the end of the session like it's kind of like giving each other confidence I need their energy as much as they need mine yeah for sure and then they I mean they're literally becoming unglued in front of you too yes so to have somebody there that is you know their personal cheerleader but also someone that's a confidant now coming to New York though I mean that's this is a pressure cooker just in itself being here competition Did you start in, well, I know you were in St.

5:11Louis. That's where you went to school. Now, when did you like transition here to New York? In 99, I moved here. And I was always prepared for how the entertainment business would be, right? Actors and actresses and all that kind of vulture type behavior. I never wanted to be that. That was never something I aspired to. Right. So I thought if I was in an audition, my husband says this too, when we didn't even know each other, we'd be auditioning and someone would say, oh my God, I didn't know we had to have a side, a script for today. We'd be like, oh, here, take mine. Like, I'm not that insecure that I would worry that I'm not going to be competitive.

5:41Like, that's not fun. So they're going to decide who they want in the room. So interesting. I say this all the time. And I think a lot of people in the industry and the beauty industry would agree with me that beauty is so much uglier than the entertainment business. Because acting, they're like, oh, my God, so nice to see you. And then they're like, blah, blah, blah. But beauty, they're just like, I think you're a loser. I think you're terrible at what you do. And I'm going to screw you over. Like, it is so mean. Wow. I didn't know it was like that. Wow. It's really bad. And so that's not exciting to me.

6:09That's not what made me feel proud to get a job because I screwed someone over. Anyone who knows me knows like, hey, you need some help? I'll totally help you out. Yeah. I just think, I don't know why we're competing with everyone. I compete with myself enough that I'm like, hey, I noticed you needed something. I have a job for you. I can't do it. Do you want it? Yeah. And I feel like there's so much business here in the city anyways. I don't understand why I'd be so cutthroat. There are no faces. The people are that cutthroat or that insecure that they have to be nasty. Wow. Unbelievable. And I see it happen all the time.

6:40And I just think confidence is kindness. If you're insecure, you walk into a room and everyone feels it and sees it. Yeah, 100%. But if you're confident, they're like, hey, how are you? Are you approachable when you walk into a room? Or are you just like, I'm out here to get everyone? That's not exciting. Yeah. How did you get your clientele? I know you talk a lot about having a circle and networking. Yes. Can you touch on that for people that are out there, just entrepreneurs in general that are trying to get their business started? because I'm imagining what I'm picturing envisioning is you're coming from St.

7:08Louis, you're here, and you're like, shit, how am I going to get this going? So what was that like? And you talk about community a lot. Community, 100%. And your relationships are so important. Remember how you talk to someone, how you treat someone, you may not see them for a year. Yes. But they may say your name in a room. And I love to brag about my friends. And I'll say, oh my god, you need a good lawyer. Oh my god, you need a good doctor. I have a friend for you. The power of connection makes us so stronger. Even if it doesn't benefit me, I'll say, oh, my God, you should know this person.

7:39And then I'll walk into a room. I'll strike up a conversation, maybe about the cheese table. Maybe they're insecure, that person next to you. I'll end up meeting someone who's like a CEO of something. But they were nervous going to that event. So get out of your own head and just be approachable. I talk to everyone. When I quit acting, I got Vista print cards. This is so many years ago. I'm still dating myself. I went into every hotel, dressed nice. Hi, I think you should hire me. And they all did. I mean, what are they going to do? Say no? No, they're not. I think that's great. Just your approach in general, like on the business side of it.

8:12Literally, I just spoke at Fordham and that was the topic. It was being comfortable with being uncomfortable and during networking. And how do you get out there? And how do you go and strike up conversations? Because it is nerve wracking. Listen, it's hard. I'm outgoing. but that is I would say one of the hardest things for me because I like to be in rooms with people I know so when you stick me in a room with somebody and yeah I'm I have lots of confidence I'm an alpha female for sure I have alpha energy but for even for me to go in a room like that and to network with people I don't know is super intimidating so I love what you said you know you never know who you're going to meet and also they're feeling the same way you are absolutely they don't want to be in a room where they don't know anyone we all want comfort I kind of get a little high off of it because I'm like, who am I going to meet tonight?

8:56So maybe we'll have a funny conversation about a Netflix show. Yeah. I don't know, but they're going to get to know you as opposed to pitching ourselves, compliment them, say something. And those little things open up the door because I watched my parents who were psychiatrists talk to other people and they listen. They don't interrupt. They comment on what you said and then they'll follow up with it. That relationship, you're going to remember that next time you see them, you'll say, oh my God, I like that person. Yeah, it's true. It's so true. Like that's why God gave us two ears and one mouth so you can pay attention.

9:24But seriously, people like to talk about themselves. So when you go, what do you do for a living? Great opener. That's a great opening. Or like, hey, I like your shoes. Great opening. Where are you from? Yeah, I love it. I mean, and you just have good energy though. You're so approachable. Obviously, I think you're always with a smile too. So it makes it that much easier. So anyways, for anyone that's listening, I hope that you heard that little nugget there. It's not always easy. Nobody loves doing it. But once you get outside of your comfort zone, it's not that hard. Yeah. And you'll think, okay, I can do that again.

9:56Yeah. Yeah. So, okay. So now, as you're known as the bride whisperer, I'm going to give you real wedding day, like chaos. Okay. Okay. So you're going to give me like the calm plan that you want to do. All right. I'm going to switch gears and make it fun. Totally fine. All right. The sweaty summer ceremony. Outdoor wedding, 90 degrees. Photographers say flash is brutal. What's the non-negotiable skin prep lock-in plan? I just got sweaty under my pits hearing that because I understand this feeling. So non-negotiable would be obviously a waterproof makeup, a foundation base. But the primer underneath has to be has to withstand that heat in the makeup, but not make you dry and cakey.

10:37And here's a magic word. Rice powder. Rice powder. It's like to explain. Dr. Hauschka's. That's the first one I used. It's like nothing. you can put it on your armpits, the bottom of your feet, in between your thighs. I'll lightly dust it on top of the shiny areas because you want to be dewy. Right. But not a sweaty, gross mess because you'll be crying anyway. So after all the prep, you'll do your setting powder and then a little bit of rice powder. Game changer. Hack. Hack. Everybody, this mic has dropped and so is yours. Oh my God. I love it. I love it. It's a little thing. All right. The I don't look like me panic bride looks in the mirror and says i don't recognize myself what do you say in that moment and what do you change first it's the brows if it's not the brows is it the lashes too much too much lipstick like a lot of lash um thank you i always say if i was a drug dealer i'd deal lashes and i would proudly start girls very young be like i love lashes it's not gonna hurt you it's not expensive like first one's on me try this lash you're gonna change your life forever i love lashes i think it's character and if you're out somewhere i feel like the bigger the better listen sometimes they're just like a little like too much but who doesn't like want a good lash like come on less eye makeup and as we get older i do that our eyes like i'm probably way older than you no way eyes go back into our sockets our lips get smaller lashes pop it out without doing like a heavy eye makeup i usually i have eye makeup on right now but usually i wear no i i usually wear no eye makeup in lashes i think it just looks better but your eye shadow color is perfect because it's not dark to close off your eye.

12:13It's like enhancing the crease. I love you too. We're going to talk about more makeup stuff. All right. The bridal party time bomb. Six bridesmaids. Two are late. One's crying. Timeline is collapsing. What's your triage order? I hire a great team. My girls, Robin, Kat, Kelly, Jess. Those are my people who I just look across the room. And they know. And we know. You just give them the look. So all right. And there's one bridesmaid who needs more attention. Maybe it's a sister and they need just as much attention. I just need one more. I just need one more. We got to be like, here's your touch up kit.

12:46Here's what we're doing. Guys, it's been so great. We got to get out the door. And I protect the bride. I'm like, come here. I will move her chair. So I'm like, the light's better over here. I'm like, I got you. She's like, I can't stand everyone's talking to me. There are so many things where we have sensories all around us. The person behind us, the hair is going too long. She doesn't like her hair. She wants to take it down. She wants it up to you. It is just all cylinders and your adrenaline goes and the second it's done you're like I can't talk and I need to eat a cheeseburger and sit oh I was actually at a wedding and the bridesmaid went ballistic she didn't like her hair it didn't even look bad and she went apeshit like apeshit in front of everyone lost her shit went out of control over her hair she wasn't even the bride she was the bridesmaid that's the story I hear it's never the bride it's the sister or a bridesmaid who loses her mind and we're all like, oh my God, okay, you're okay.

13:38And then we never want to see them again. Never. Who cares? It's not for the bride all the time. Yeah, it's not even your day. Like, who cares? I wouldn't bear an ugly hairstyle. I wouldn't care. I was looking at you. Yeah, nobody cares about you. I would have, no, nobody cares. And also be a good friend. This is her day. But so is bridesmaids, is that like your specialty or you're really into like the celebrity world? I do minimal weddings a year. I used to do them a lot. I'm more picky. My price point's higher. but I have an awesome team under me. If I don't do it, I still want to give them a great experience.

14:09So I'll have a team who's like a little bit more affordable. I love doing TV. I love doing celebrities. I like fashion week. Those things are like, it comes from, it starts at the very bottom and the outcome, you're watching it unfold and you're like, it's like a show in and of itself. You've got, you know, whether every celebrity wants to feel important too. And they're nervous and they're insecure about maybe their hair. they're on my pants like everyone's just a human right so it's like we're taking it from bare bones to then getting them dressed and the hair and the makeup and you see the transformation as their shoulders go back and it's like sweet it's like you're watching a performance before the performance happens and i feel this exact same excitement about my everyday woman that i work on the tired moms they're like hey i just don't feel like insecure when they leave they're like i should call my friend.

15:00And the way they walk out is like why I do what I do. Yeah, it's so true. I know like even when I had this morning, I was putting on my makeup and then I see the makeup on. I'm like, there she is. Good morning, Mara. I can do today. Yeah, I'm like, okay, there she is. She looks much better than she did, right? Like she looks so much better now. There she is. There is something about makeup and you know, look, whatever people like, they like. It is what it is. I'm not the one that's not going to, I'm not going out. I'll go out of my house to the gym without makeup but when I'm out in my professional world I have makeup on I think that's the way that you look governs everything and I talk a lot about it I talk a lot about vanity and you can say whatever you want about me but the first thing people see is the way that you look and if you don't look put together people are going to judge you you have one shot thank you I mean that's what I think it's not vanity it's confidence it is confidence it's a package all in one like you take care of yourself I think it says a lot about a person when they look well you You can tell a lot.

15:56If they look like a schlub, then they probably, the way you do one thing in life is the way you do everything. If you're going to handle my finances, if you were to sell me a house, if you look like you just rolled out of bed and you don't care, that makes me think, how are you going to treat my business? Amen. That is exactly it. Exactly. And I think I have to fight this all the time. People are like, you know, she was beautiful before. She had makeup on. I'm like, I know. What I'm doing is putting icing on her face cake. That's exactly what it is. I don't know what it is. like icing on her face.

16:25Like she already is beautiful. This few little tweaks, not heavy glam, like five to seven steps and some good skincare makes her feel really good. And I think that's all that it's about. That's what it's about. It's the way, it doesn't matter what other people think about. It's the way that you feel about yourself inside and outside. And that's, I mean, I have to fill my cup and look good in order to perform. Cause when you look good, you feel good. When you feel good, you do good. Like you woke up at five today, but you have a good outfit on, you got your hair and your makeup done. You're like, that's okay.

16:52I can do this. It's my warrior pain. Yeah, I could do this. I could do it. I'm here. I'm showing, but it's so true. And you've made a business. So wait, so you have a whole team underneath you. Yeah. So now like you took your interest from something that you absolutely love doing and you created a whole. So let's talk a little bit about the business. I love. Okay. So I do events. I teach a lot too. Big seminars or small one-on-one. I say, bring me all your makeup and skincare that you have, that you use and you don't use. Do this online, like mastermind courses? I'll do it. Like I'll travel all over.

17:21I'll come to them. They'll come to me. so I teach I also write for all the beauty magazines because I write the way I talk I'm not an elitist and that bothers me if you're like I only use uh YSL I only use the most expensive I don't care what your budget is I want you to feel good so um editors will just reach out to me because they know I'm only going to tell the truth yeah I know one's paying I don't work with any brand I just I found some pencil in CVS yeah I don't it was like a big fat one fat one that I wear on I love it I love a smudgy it's cheap it was I love it I mean expensive doesn't necessarily I mean you're the makeup expert but I don't think expensive necessarily means better no I mean they say luxury makeup artist that's not my products that's me yeah I'm the luxury yeah of how I make you feel and how give me wet and wild I'm gonna make you look like a ball I remember like I don't care it should be your your skills so I do think a lot of the stuff unfortunately is made the same factory so you don't need to be spending a good foundation you like sure some good skincare but agreed you don't need to make the bank but um yeah so I I decided to be a Jane of all trades instead of stay in your lane Amanda Jane of all trades did you guys catch that Jane I love it and people are like well you do so much yeah and I love it because I only live once I'm gonna do it all like I can do the tv I can do the fashion I teach people um I write for the magazines I also started a production company of branding videos with a friend of mine who's a director because we have the same vision and so I'm in front of the camera behind the camera and we kind of make people look amazing so you can do everything yeah and um most recently which is so totally silly is that um I used to sing and do like comedy and stuff like my dream was always SNL if there was a dream that would be like doing makeup I could totally see you on SNL like that was everything to me so I started to and I auditioned for it and I got close I auditioned for Mad TV and like I loved all those things I was like no man you need to be a very serious makeup artist and I was like I miss having fun so I started singing crazy songs about beauty products that I love that's funny just to be silly and now brands are like will you sing about my beauty product and then I started singing about menopause um because I am going through menopause and it sucks and so I heard Naomi Watts speak at a shop today event with her partner Cara and they were making it really funny and very like oh my god we're all in this together so they gave me products i started posting about them and singing about them and then funny naomi watts reached out or team reached out and said naomi's a big fan will you write some funny songs for i'm like what what about my makeup skills no i'm kidding but like you never know what's going to hit and then get all those silly videos get way more attention than my makeup now because everybody wants nobody wants to see syndicated stuff they all everybody nobody wants curated shit anymore they want to see like raw authentic yes yeah like my daughter's like stop with that weird voice that you do on the podcast i'm like what weird voice she's like that weird voice that you do she's like just talk like yourself like nobody gives a shit i'm like what about the cursing she's like that's your personality yes she's like just fucking say it mom like enough just be who you are like it resonates it resonates more with people you're right i love it that you said just do you yeah what separates you like we're saying earlier bad mouth i mean and i'm just not I'm not your traditional CEO either.

20:35Like I'm so inappropriately dressed sometimes. But I love it. Yeah, I don't give a fuck. You're not boring. I don't care. I don't give a fuck anymore. And I like that because as a guest, it makes me more comfortable too as opposed to like, now Amanda, do you like makeup? No, I'm not going to ask you that. I'm sure you do. I mean, it's talking to a friend. Yeah, but I love, what I really love is that you've taken something that you absolutely love and you've created passion for it. Well, you've had a passion. But then on top of that, you've also put the business mind to it. so you really can have it all.

21:04Because a lot of times they say if you have a passion, that shouldn't be your profession. And I don't necessarily agree with that. If you absolutely love what you do, why would you not want to do that? And then not only that, you're obviously giving the opportunity to other people because you said you have a team. Yes. And even if I just met someone once and they seem nice, I'll throw them a job. And then it turns out to something else. She's like, oh, my God, you just saved my financial bubble. I'm like, that makes me elated. like I'm not all about me because I'm only one person right um and I think to spread the wealth like I'm gonna do everything and I'm gonna be authentically me but for so many years I pushed down funny silly Amanda singing crazy songs for her friends and her family I'm like no I'm doing that online now and I'm having a ball I feel like a kid again yeah but that's all that matters you're doing what you love I think I I mean just in general you're let's talk you did say something that was really that I didn't highlight.

22:00You were talking about pricing. And I think a lot of times business owners, they get caught up in pricing. Like do if I have something, if I have a product, should I be the most competitively priced? And you were talking about that you're a luxury, you're a luxury makeup artist. It's not luxury makeup. So can you just like talk a little bit about the difference on pricing and like what your worth is? I think people, they either go up in price to show their worth or maybe down to like to compete i actually am more in the in between because i don't want to price myself out of something yeah because then someone loses out on that opportunity is it always about a couple hundred dollars more or is it about that relationship you built and all the tentacles that go out from that so i it sounds like yes i'm a businesswoman but i'm more people driven than money driven i agree yeah and the money follows I mean, I resonate with that 100%.

22:52I definitely think so. And I feel like I'm not going to open my kit and have the most expensive things in it top to bottom. I'm going to have drugstore to high, mid, low. Right. And again, the luxury is our service. What am I giving you? So again, it's something that bothers me about just there are many like elitists who are looked down on other people. No, it's just makeup. Yeah. And beauty and skincare. If we're not saving anyone's life in the ER, let's stay in our lane and also branch out and not be so like, like share your tips and tricks. If I see someone younger than me, I'm like, hey, what is that?

23:29Should I be using that? Yeah, I would. Someone older than me? Yeah. Like if you're too young, you don't know enough. If you're too old, you're not with it enough. So I've seen it in this business with actors, with professional CEOs. Like you get past a certain age, you're like, maybe they're kind of out of it. Well, what about the knowledge that they have? Pick their brain. I love that. I absolutely love what you're saying because as we get more seasoned, it's hard. It's definitely hard. And I started in my industry as the youngest and hottest. No, I was the youngest female and now I see all these other females coming into the business and my ego wants to say they don't know more than me.

24:08But honestly, they know different than I do. So there's nothing wrong with it when you're asking. And then obviously someone more seasoned than me. I love to hear what they have to say about life or how to deal with the situation. I think it just makes you more well-rounded. You can never stop learning. It's so true. Older, younger. Something you never thought of. Like, I never thought about doing it that way. Or like I'm saying, like, ask someone a question about themselves. Like, little things. Learn from everybody. All right. So we're going to make this fun and fast. Yes. All right. Quick fire.

24:34Don't overthink it. Ready? Your ride or die product you save in a fire. Oh, God. This is too hard. My serums, my face oils. Face oils. I love it. All right. One beauty rule you hate that people still believe. In a lot of white cakey powder underneath your eye. Yeah. And filling your whole face with powder. So when you start smiling, you can see it. Yes. I don't like the powder. Speaking from experience. I've been spraying. I've been spraying the shit on my face now. Most underrated confidence booster that costs zero. Oh, my gosh. Um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um. I would say walking into a room with your head held high and your shoulders back and a little smile on your face.

25:15That shows that you are confident and you are attracting people to you. I absolutely would agree. But you should also have gloss and a little bit of tinted foundation. Just saying. Dream person to glam, living or dead. Oh, God. Mara Mara. Oh, my God. I don't even know. Okay. You might think this is really weird. Will Ferrell. Will Ferrell yeah why Will Ferrell just because I think he's hilarious and I came this close to doing his makeup once and I was like because I don't get nervous that much I think Will Ferrell I would totally flip out for which is so crazy living or dead and that I've got to say I got to say Marilyn for the person who's past just yeah the what weird people that I just said back to back but um I'm sure there's other people besides Will Ferrell but oh my god there's so many people who I would just drop to my knees and be like, I love you.

26:04Who was your most exciting person? Kamala Harris. I would say like... Did you talk politics or no? No, no, no. I think it was the only time I was nervous because there was people around me to make sure that I was, you know, just... She was so powerful. I mean, Brooke Shields was amazing. Al Pacino, these people are so amazing. There was something about her presence when she walked in the room. Like you knew she was there. Oprah effect where you're like, uh-oh. Oh, God, I don't know. Like, I don't know how to use the side pencil. I just felt like, I just, like, she was so cool. And she was like, I like my lashes.

26:41Medium, short. I was like, got it. Okay, girl. Like, I loved it. And then she was like, I'll put my own lipstick on. I was like, absolutely. Like, she was so cool and so smart. And I thought, God, if I ever get in an argument, will you please be on my side? Because she would win every argument. Like, she is just the coolest. They're just, and her skin is so gorgeous. I just thought, I grew up in Kansas. I'm a little kid from Kansas. That's amazing. And so I was like, I can't believe I'm doing your makeup. It was just so cool. And she was really nice down to earth. Oh, so cool. That's so funny.

27:09All right. Finish the sentence. Confidence is? Kindness. Yeah. If you're confident, you're kind. Yeah. I'm not in competition. Yeah, you're right. Confident people are not nasty. They might mask it, but like real confident people, there's no reason to be nasty. and every reason to be kind. Yeah. I love that. What about your skincare? What is like, what's your favorite skincare regimen? Thank you. I love to talk about this. So what I say, basic Betty, you don't need 17 products and spend two hours. In the morning, you're going to spritz your face with some sort of essence or rose water, balancing toner.

27:48And the next product you put on is going to get sucked in so much better. That's going to be a vitamin C. You're an active in the day. Vitamin C, neck and chest. I'm listening attentively because I slop shit all over my face. Oh, you have really good skin. Yeah, but I slop this shit all over. And I'll message you later like a really good plan. And the biggest thing is you buy so much moisturizers and so much lotion. Every woman does. Serums, hydrating oils are the way to go. So moisturizer sits like this on our skin. Right. Hugs it. Serum is like... That's a horrible sound effect. It's like...

28:23But that's why your skin looks like that. Your skin just looks like very... It looks like you look like a glass doll. Like you look, you have beautiful skin. But I have to work a lot at it. And I bought all those expensive lotions and potions. And then I got my friend from Morocco. I was like, she has smokes and drinks. How does she have good skin? She said, it's Moroccan oil. Yeah, Moroccan oil. Oh my God. They swear by it. They sell it everywhere. Yes. I know my friend too. She said, get rid of all the shit that you have and just put this, you'll be better. That's what I do. And body lotion?