Instant Reaction: SpaceX Jumps in First Trades Following Record $75 Billion IPO

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2:21We find Bloomberg's Yahaira Onid, who we'll check in with in just a moment as we consider it raised$75 billion in that initial offering, valuing the company at just about$1.8 trillion. That valuation, that market cap, obviously significantly higher with the gain we are seeing today north of$2 trillion. So let's go to Yahaira now at the NASDAQ for more. So Yahaira, obviously we're setting records here. What is the vibe like at the NASDAQ right now? It seems everything in this process has gone pretty smoothly. Yeah, pretty smoothly for the biggest IPO we've ever seen. And I will say the excitement, especially in the last hour as we were getting closer to trading, was palpable.

3:01You felt it here at the Nasdaq. They were all scrambling, making sure it all went off without a hitch. And then outside, you have all the Musk fans gathering, hoping to get a glimpse of him. But as you and I know, he was over in Texas. But as you said, SpaceX has officially begun trading and with the stock opening at$150 a share above its$135 IPO price. And that gave investors an immediate gain of roughly 11%. But now you said it is trading above that. But this values a company at approximately just under$2 trillion, as you said, Kayleigh. But it instantly put SpaceX among the most valuable companies in the world.

3:46more valuable than Tesla itself. Of course, another Elon Musk owned company, Meta and even Saudi Aramco. All right, Bloomberg's you hire on it live at the NASDAQ as SpaceX debuts. Thank you so much. So let's get more on this as we turn to Craig Trudell, our managing editor of Global Business Americas here at Bloomberg. And Craig, obviously, while you hold that title now, you also led for a long time Bloomberg's autos coverage. You are very familiar with Elon Musk as the CEO of Tesla, which obviously, while being an auto company first and foremost, also in financial markets and public markets, was the way to bet on Elon Musk.

4:24We now have a second channel for those bets in SpaceX. Whether or not these two get rolled together at some point, I'm not sure. But your reaction, please, to the appetite we are seeing for SpaceX as it debuts today? Yeah, I think it's fascinating to see, you know, yes, a strong debut for SpaceX, a rotation, maybe a little bit out of Tesla, which is something that we were really braced for, but not anything disastrous. I mean, we've seen, you know, on an intraday basis, the stock, you know, fall about 3%. But as of this moment, it's a little less than that, about 2.8. This is a company that, you know, has been quite volatile over the years in its own right.

5:06And if, you know, sort of that track record applies to SpaceX, then we should be sort of in for a bumpy ride here. Well, certainly so. It's still Elon Musk that we're talking about, a visionary maybe, but a lot of volatility we know can come with that. Walk us through the unique nature of the way this IPO happened. The idea that this price was set. It wasn't your typical price discovery. Musk said the price is$135 of a share. He got that. And obviously, investors are buying this stock for more than that as trading gets going here. But how should we consider the way in which the valuation for this company was set?

5:45We were just listening to Jim Chanos talking about how skeptical he is of valuing a market cap at something 110 times revenue for a company that isn't profitable? Yeah, I think it's fascinating in that, you know, this is also a company that, you know, put out incredible numbers in their S1 about, you know, total addressable markets and talking about space-based economy. You know, to hear Musk talk about the potential for this company and to hear people like Jared Isaacman, And, you know, the head of NASA, you know, he gave an interview very recently about this notion that the space economy has been something that's been sort of highly speculated about, hyped up as as something massive.

6:29And yet the follow through has been very minimal, I will say, in defensive Musk and SpaceX, with the exception of Starlink. There's been very little in the way of progress toward making any money in space. We have seen SpaceX make progress where others haven't. But I think where you really run into trouble looking at this company is actually the AI portion. And the fact that that was just such a very recent addition to the SpaceX story maybe makes things kind of muddy and more complicated than they might have otherwise been had this just been a space company with a solid satellite business. Well, a late addition, yes, but one that already does have some commitments tied to it, it seems.

7:12We all saw the news of Google's contract with SpaceX. That's going to be, what, nearly a billion dollars per month, assuming that SpaceX can actually deliver on the computing power that has been promised. How far do we have to go to SpaceX actually realizing these capabilities, actually having them to offer customers, not just like Google, but Anthropic is a big customer, too, right? Yeah, the two of them in sort of rapid fire fashion, you know, reach these deals in the lead up to the IPO. And surely that's helping sort of buoy sentiment. But if we think about, you know, Musk's ambitions to not just be a sort of infrastructure partner to the likes of Google and Anthropic and actually getting in the game itself and, you know, building a competitive chatbot and AI capabilities that can be monetized.

8:01That's where we've seen real failures on Musk's part. And he's been pretty open about that, actually, on X, this notion that they sort of started XAI all wrong and are kind of starting over. It was really unusual and very like him that he would be so sort of candid about that. And yet maybe raises some questions about just how quickly this will be a company that's a major player and actually things beyond partnering with companies that have had success like Anthropic. Well, and you've just made the point, Craig, about XAI getting rolled in to SpaceX. So would you be surprised if we see Tesla rolled in to this larger company too?

8:43You know, just going off the trend that we've seen this rolling up of Musk's companies, it does feel like that's also something that people quite close to Musk have not shied away about, you know, speaking to this notion that, you know, that would be, you know, not even just a sort of open secret, but just something that people are very comfortable, you know, theorizing about tells me that it does feel like it's likely. I also think it's interesting in that we've heard Musk say over and over again that he wishes he had more control over Tesla. One of the ways to sort of address the fact that he's not particularly comfortable with his command of that company would be to combine these, because that is an aspect of SpaceX's structure that is quite different where he has a special class of stock that Tesla didn't have when it went public.

9:38if they were to combine, they would sort of, you know, rationalize that and give him the ability of, you know, stock that protects him from any activism or challenges to his sort of rule of the company. All right. Bloomberg's Craig Trudell. Thank you so much. SpaceX right now trading at$164 a share. We're up nearly 22 percent from that$135 IPO price. Quite the debut we are seeing for one of the world's largest companies by market cap at this point after a record-setting$75 billion IPO. Ed Ludlow owns Tech and Space Coverage, is the co-host of Bloomberg Tech, and he's here with us now on this debut day for SpaceX.

10:21Ed, I feel like this is your Super Bowl. It probably is most people in financial markets Super Bowl as we're setting records here, not just in terms of IPO, but in the size of this debut. Talk to me about the demand here. We had questions as to whether or not this price was set correctly, given the unusual lack of price discovery that happened, whether or not 555 million shares being issued was going to be met with adequate demand. Are we seeing evidence that perhaps the appetite was even more robust than initially thought? Well, it was massively oversubscribed on the institutional side, which accounted for 80 % of the offering and on the retail side as well, which was about 20%.

11:00And we can get into like more of the specifics of how that sliced and diced. It's trading right now 167.50, you know, 24 % above the IPO price of 135. What we reported over the last five days is that it has been Elon Musk himself, along with Brett Johnson, the CFO, and Gwynne Shotwell, the president, that really controlled and dictated the terms literally, as opposed to like the bankers. You know, bankers have a lot of influence in IPO processes, but this time part of the rationale as it was explained to me is that if you set it early, ahead of a roadshow without a range, it is atypical and unusual, but you basically remove the leverage of the long only asset managers, the big institutions that would account for most of the order book anyway.

11:48It just made things on their terms. There are big questions about valuation long term, right? It's come to IPO at 92 times or something like that sales. But, you know, that that was how it was done. And so, you know, there are lots of retail investors that did get an allocation, some evidence that they are people that are also Tesla retail shareholders, anecdotal evidence, I'd say. But now there are lots of people that are, you know, reluctantly and I guess not reluctantly is not the right word. They don't want to be buying in the open market, but they are, you know, they kind of have to be. Yeah, perhaps some nose holding going on here.

12:28To your point, Ed, about valuation, walk us through what the thesis is here in terms of the total addressable market that SpaceX is saying that it can reach. And what tangibly the company is now going to need to be able to accomplish from a technology standpoint to be able to deliver on that, deliver what it's promised to customers like Anthropic and Google. So like right now on a fully diluted basis, this is a company that has a value of more than$2 trillion. And they are pitching a story about a future where they are many things, a diversified business, which most of is selling AI software, right?

13:05They say there's a$28.5 trillion addressable market. And 26.5 of that is what they are calling in an umbrella or bucket of enterprise AI. But in the near term, all of that is predicated on them being able to get Starship, which is on paper the most powerful rocket and launch system humankind's ever developed, to work regularly and reusably. They have done 12 test flights. They are closer, you know, in the coming weeks to doing a 13th test flight, but they've never landed or both parts of it, the booster and the spacecraft on top, back on Earth. they have to do that if they are able to put into orbit satellites that are data centers and that is kind of the middle step that gets them to that distant future where humans are living on mars um and they're able to generate most of their their revenues and income from ai it's it's not straightforward um and and that has been a part of like how much you you place a value of 2030 to 2050, not right now on historic IPO Friday.

14:12Well, and it's also just so interesting to consider the circular nature of this, if you will, because we're talking about what SpaceX will need to do to deliver for customers like Anthropic, which at least in some parts of the wider SpaceX business here, if you're considering Grok, which obviously is no clod, there is still competition there. Just speak to that, Ed, and how all of this is setting the stage for Anthropic and also Open AI's ultimate public debuts that we're expecting later this year. So state of play is that Anthropic has filed confidentially with the SEC for IPO, and so has OpenAI.

14:45SpaceX, through its XAI arm, SpaceX owns XAI, it's a subsidiary, a wholly owned subsidiary of SpaceX, did a deal with Anthropic where Anthropic pays SpaceX more than a billion dollars a month to rent compute capacity from a data center, a specific data center that it built in Tennessee. On paper, if you read the prospectus and the vision that we just outlined where SpaceX makes most of its money from selling AI software, that would make them on paper a complete rival and competitor to Anthropic. But this is what's so interesting. A lot of phone calls in the last five days from existing SpaceX investors saying it's so important to talk about how they've done this.

15:26They have data center capacity that was available. They, you know, XAI and SpaceX, the parent, are very good at building data centers quickly and running them, operating them efficiently on a very competitive dollar per token basis. So why not rent it out and make money? And that's the near term story that will dictate right now the stock performance and the valuation because, you know, the rest of it is so far away in another galaxy, et cetera. Excellent pun. And that's, of course, as we consider the performance as a public company. But, Ed, you were just talking about speaking to existing SpaceX investors.

16:03This is obviously not a new company. It's more than two decades old. It's existed in private markets for some time. And there was a long time in which Elon Musk was saying we can just stay reliant on private capital. Walk us through that evolution and whether or not this is going to be a new model going forward as we consider more robust private markets. Yeah, I think, you know, 2002, SpaceX was seeded of about$27 million. And the goal was to make a rocket booster land back on Earth and be reusable. And now clearly, as we've just discussed, the story has really changed. In 2010, when Tesla went public, the public company that Elon Musk is also CEO of, SpaceX had a billion dollar valuation.

16:50And rapidly, kind of 2023 to 2025 in the private markets, its valuation kept growing because it just dominated this business of launching payload to orbit. and then starlink which is a uh internet service but it's powered by a constellation of satellites around planet earth has very quickly become cash flow positive cash generator so like you'll you'll see all the bloomberg stories and read the prospectus and say like how unprofitable spacex is and how distant it is but in its connectivity business actually it's a cash generating part of the business. And so, you know, it's just a crazy story.

17:28We don't have, you could do an entire 24 hours on Bloomberg Television and Radio to explain the history of it. But again, the point of the rocket business is that that next gen rocket, it needs to work for all that other intergalactic out of this world stuff to come true. Well, I feel like Ed probably is going to end up spending 24 hours on Bloomberg Television and Radio today. You're working hard. Thank you so much. Bloomberg Tech co-host Ed Ludlow.

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