In short
The episode is a wide-ranging Bloomberg Businessweek Daily discussion covering: (1) Intel’s plan to sell $15 billion in new stock to fund its AI-driven chip comeback while managing its balance sheet; (2) U.S. critical minerals policy and U.S. Antimony’s push for more federal support; (3) “Rush Talk” and paid sorority-rush coaching for outsiders entering Southern Greek life; and (4) reporting on teen pressure from social media and GLP-1 weight-loss drugs, including off-label access and weak age controls.
Guests and backgrounds
Ian King, Bloomberg News U.S. semiconductor reporter (San Francisco). Gary Evans, chairman/CEO of U.S. Antimony (Miami). Gabriel Baumgartner, Bloomberg News reporter (Washington, D.C.). Madison Muller, Bloomberg News healthcare reporter (Chicago area). Alex Levine, Bloomberg Businessweek writer.
Key claims/examples
Intel’s equity sale avoids more debt and supports factory scaling with “firm orders,” despite only a “windfall” from AI CPUs and no major market-share gains yet. Evans cites a $100M State Department grant for training and a $245M military antimony contract; he wants larger deals ($500M+), possibly with government equity. Rush coaches charge $3,000–$12,000 and claim they provide “early job training” and networking. GLP-1s: teens access drugs via lying about age online/off-label/through friends; advocates want stricter telehealth age verification and more eating-disorder screening.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOIntel's Stock Offering
2:20 to 3:37
Discussion on Intel's plan to raise $15 billion through stock sales.
“The company plans to offer$15 billion worth of new stock.”
Intel's Debt and Balance Sheet
3:38 to 5:26
Analysis of Intel's financial strategy and debt situation.
“also some of the Mag7 doing share sales too, What is it about Intel's balance sheet and its debt that load right now that sort of makes it make sense to do an equity sale rather than tap the debt market?”
Market Challenges for Intel
5:27 to 7:32
Examining the pressures Intel faces in the competitive market.
“And that gives it, I think, a little bit more latitude to sort of get in the game.”
Future Investments and Strategy
7:33 to 10:12
Discussion on Intel's future investments and strategic direction.
“Yeah, I mean, this was, Brian Krasanich was the last CEO that, you know, was a CEO of Intel that was at the peak of its powers, rapidly lost its way.”
Impact of Government Support on Mining Industry
14:00 to 21:34
Learn about the recent meeting between mining executives and the U.S. administration regarding critical minerals.
“The president was joined by executives from prominent companies, including Rio Tinto, BHP, MP Materials, USA Rare Earths, Energy Fuels, the metals company and more.”
Impact of Government Support on Mining Industry
22:45 to 23:42
Learn about the recent meeting between mining executives and the U.S. administration regarding critical minerals.
“Whether you're planning a big tech event, launching a new campaign, or just stocking up on team gear, finding the right promotional products makes all the difference.”
The Evolution of Sorority Culture
23:42 to 24:38
Explore the growing trend of young women wanting to join sororities in the South and the associated costs.
“Let's talk about healthcare for a second.”
The Evolution of Sorority Culture
24:42 to 28:06
Explore the growing trend of young women wanting to join sororities in the South and the associated costs.
“The push by tens of thousands of young women to gain acceptance into sororities at large schools in the deep South has moved beyond TikTok to something more fixed in the American zeitgeist.”
Navigating Sorority Rush in the TikTok Era
28:06 to 34:15
Explore the impact of social media on sorority rush processes and the role of coaches.
“Southern summer days are pretty inhospitable in full makeup and perfect fitting dresses.”
Navigating Sorority Rush in the TikTok Era
35:51 to 37:42
Explore the impact of social media on sorority rush processes and the role of coaches.
“Whether you're planning a big tech event, launching a new campaign, or just stocking up on team gear, finding the right promotional products makes all the difference.”
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The Pressure of Body Image and GLP-1s
38:32 to 42:04
Understand how GLP-1s and social media can affect teenagers' body image.
“Madison, like I said, I mean, we were talking earlier about growing up.”
Eating Disorders and GLP-1 Drugs: A Growing Concern
42:04 to 45:21
Learn about the impact of GLP-1 drugs on young individuals and the call for regulations.
“Yeah, we're definitely seeing that in the eating disorder community sort of start to pick up.”
Transcript
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2:01Carol Massar:Plus, global business, finance, and tech news as it happens. The Bloomberg Businessweek Daily Podcast with Carol Masser and Tim Stenebeck on Bloomberg Radio. I'm looking up shares of Intel. Nora, congratulations on owning this stock as a U.S. taxpayer. I mean, I guess we all do. I guess we all do. Shares down about 3 % today. The company plans to offer$15 billion worth of new stock. It could be its first public share sale since the company listed all the way back in 1971. It's a bid to extend its comeback and capitalize on the AI boom. Ian King is Bloomberg News' U.S. semiconductor reporter. He joins us from our San Francisco Bureau.
2:42Ian, I want to just cut right to this. Big deal? Not a big deal? I mean, it's a big deal in terms of Intel's recovery. Obviously, if you're an existing shareholder, you're not too keen about being diluted. Well, we all are, I guess, Ian. Yeah, exactly. On the flip side of this, though, Intel is really doing what other large technology companies have already done, which is say, look at these incredible valuations we're enjoying. Maybe we can take some money out of the equity market, and that will protect us on the other side of the balance sheet and basically not endanger our debt ratings and not really stretch that kind of balance sheet with too much more debt in order to fund what we're trying to do going forward.
3:28Okay, I'm so glad you brought this up because that's the part of the balance sheet that I want to talk to you about. In a time when we're talking about Alphabet raising$25 billion by tapping the debt market, also some of the Mag7 doing share sales too, What is it about Intel's balance sheet and its debt that load right now that sort of makes it make sense to do an equity sale rather than tap the debt market? Yeah, no, I mean, that's for Intel in particular, that's an extremely important question. You'll remember under its previous CEO spent, you know, like a drunken sailor, basically building all of these new factories, trying to get into the AI race, trying to become, you know, a chip maker for everybody on the manufacturing side.
4:14Bets that didn't really pay off that had to be kind of reined in by the current CEO, Luke Bhutan, who made it his kind of first order of business to clean up that balance sheet. And he's done some work on that. They've still got a lot of debt, but they have a lot more cash than they used to now. So there's some more strategic freedom coming in there. And really what with this equity raise, what he's doing is creating more strategic freedom without kind of going back on that promise to clean up the finances. I mean, this is a stock that hit a high of$141 just back in June. Now we're seeing the stock sitting at about, what,$98 a share.
4:50But it's also been on a tear up about 167 % year to date. But talk to me a bit about some of the pressures that this company has been facing if we're not looking at that large year-to-date gain. Yeah. I mean, the pressures it's facing still exist, right? None of them have gone away. It's got a little bit of a windfall from this AI boom because some of its generalist chips, CPUs, have become part of the story. but it really hasn't done anything in terms of differentiating itself, coming out with new products that are really, you know, kicking a hole in the ceiling and causing disruptions in the market.
5:26It's not really taking market share from NVIDIA or AMD as of yet. It's just kind of had a windfall. And that gives it, I think, a little bit more latitude to sort of get in the game. The other thing it's trying to do is to find outside users for this factory network that it has built because it can't fill them itself. It has to sort of build more capacity, has to be ready at a kind of moment's notice to be able to build out capacity to help them and help itself to an extent. So that's really, you know, a lot of the challenges, the fundamentals are still really in place and they really have to be sorted out going forward and cash helps, right?
6:03Well, how much money, Ian, does Intel have to spend in order to build the facilities that it needs to get to market what it thinks is the future of its company? Yeah, I mean, that's a very good question. $15 billion is a lot of money for me, not much for somebody on TV like you. I didn't know you were going to say that, but it does feel like$15 billion is not a lot of money when we talk about CapEx and when we're talking about the context of AI. But for the record, that's a lot of money for me. I mean, it's about half of what a leading edge factory built from the ground up to completion in terms of being equipped and ready to go would cost.
6:40So, sounds like a lot of money, but it really isn't. So we should anticipate, I assume, the company taking on potentially more debt or tapping the equity market or doing something in another fashion later down the road as we still continue to see this company really trying to scale? We'll see. I mean, I think what investors have liked about this new management team is they said, look, we're not going to do this, build it, and they'll come kind of speculative, kind of borrowing and building. We're going to have firm orders. We're going to have firm commitments from customers, and then we'll do it.
7:15So potentially, yes, in terms of tapping new financing, but only at least if we take them at their word when they are sure that those bets will pay off, when that money will be repayable in short order. I mean, how many CEOs has Intel had while talking publicly about a turnaround? Is it three, four? Yeah, I mean, this was, Brian Krasanich was the last CEO that, you know, was a CEO of Intel that was at the peak of its powers, rapidly lost its way. Obviously, he was ousted. Then we had Bob Swan, you know, and then we had Pat Gelsinger. And now we've got Lib Boutin, who was sort of brought in because the turnaround that Pat Gelsinger promised wasn't really materializing as fast as some had hoped.
7:58And so, yeah, we've heard, you know, enough of the story and we now need to see more of the action. And to be fair to the current management team, that is kind of their strategy as well in terms of we're not going to talk about it until we can actually do it. Well, they don't need to talk about it because we're the ones we can talk about it. I can ask you questions about it. You've been covering this company for a long time. And if we were thinking about it, maybe in the metaphor of baseball, for example, and we're talking about a nine inning game. At this point in 2026, where do you think we are in Intel's turnaround?
8:33You're going to ask somebody English for a baseball metaphor? Should we do like a soccer game? I don't know. I don't know. It's got three things it needs to do. Clean up the balance sheet, improve its own products and get them in the AI race and find outside customers. It's done one of those three things. Its products are improving, but they're still not taking back market share, still doesn't have those big customers. So a third of the way through. Is that fair enough? Yeah, I'll accept that as an answer. You know, we'll take it. So, I mean, when we're thinking about sort of outside investments, we know that the U.S.
9:12government, of course, is involved with the company, NVIDIA. But how are we thinking about its customer base that you just kind of alluded to just there? Yeah, I mean, it already has a limited investment from NVIDIA. It already has a limited investment from SoftBank. But what we're really talking about is if Intel gets its factory production up to the same kind of standards as, say, Taiwan's TSMC, then this massive kind of squeeze that we're seeing on the supply shack might come to be something that's favorable for Intel, that maybe NVIDIA, maybe Apple, maybe any of the big kind of silicon buyers might be able to use Intel as an outsourced provider of silicon for them.
9:54And that would be a massive windfall for Intel. But it has to get there, right? It has to have a seat at the table before it can actually play that game. And we're seeing progress. They're touting progress. But we can't really believe that until it sees, you know, it has those orders. Is it too early, Ian, just in the last 30 seconds to talk about NVIDIA earnings on the 26th of this month? It's not too early at all. I mean, what everybody is focused on, we've seen a lot of activity, a lot of competition. Is that competition making any impact on NVIDIA or is NVIDIA still growing up and to the right?
10:28And that's going to be, I think, a key point of tension as we see them report earnings this time. Ian King, we love it when you join us. We'll talk baseball. We'll talk anything with Ian King, specifically though, chips. Ian King is U.S. Semiconductor Reporter. For Bloomberg News, he joins us from our San Francisco bureau. Stay with us. More from Bloomberg Businessweek Daily coming up after this.
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13:33Carol Massar:You're listening to the Bloomberg Business Week Daily Podcast. Catch us live weekday afternoons from 2 to 5 Eastern. Listen on Apple CarPlay and Android Auto with the Bloomberg Business App. Or watch us live on YouTube. Well, you may recall Friday afternoon, it was actually during our program, President Trump touted$3 billion in U.S. investments in critical minerals mining. This was at a meeting with top industry executives. It was aimed at weaning the U.S. off supply chains dominated by China. The president was joined by executives from prominent companies, including Rio Tinto, BHP, MP Materials, USA Rare Earths, Energy Fuels, the metals company and more.
14:11One of the people who was there at that meeting with the president was Gary Evans. He's chairman and CEO of U.S. Antimony. It's got a market cap of about a billion dollars. It refines, produces, sells antimony products. Shares are up around 34 % so far this year. Gary Evans joins us from our Miami Bureau. Gary, good to have you back with us. I just want to hear your main takeaway from that meeting with the president on Friday. What were your main takeaways? Well, I think more than anything else, we have an administration that very much recognizes the dire need of critical minerals for our country, for our industries in this country, and obviously our militaries.
14:53So the support that this administration has provided to the mining industry has been immense. And the real event on Friday at the State Department was a$100 million grant that the federal government is giving to universities and schools in order to train new engineers and geologists and the technical people that we need in this industry because we all are getting older, a lot of people are retiring, and this industry has been in the doldrums for the better part of 30 years. And so having that kind of financial commitment to the schools, there were a lot of administrators there. For me, the big takeaway was some incredible contacts that we made at this forum.
15:42There were a lot of very influential people involved in the critical mental space, both from a banking finance area, as well as some of the administrators like the Secretary of Interior was there, Secretary of State was there, and we were able to have one-on-one meetings with them about issues we might have. And so I think what I got, when I came away from that conference, realizing that if I need help, there's people I can call to get help. And that's very, very important, something we've never had. So take us into the specific conversations that you had. Who did you speak to from the administration and what did you tell them that you needed?
16:18Well, I'll be specifically frank. The new or the Secretary of Interior, Doug Burgum, he and his assistant were there. And he stayed after the forum was over and was talking to people. And I went up to him. We have an issue in Alaska specifically related to the BLM, which is under his venue, and the Department of Transportation, which is not, but he has influence on. And it has to do with a new property we bought in Alaska in January. And we're just getting pushback and slowness from local officials, not understanding that that antimony that we're trying to bring out of this mine is needed by the federal government.
16:57We have a$245 million contract to fulfill the needs of the military. And we've got local people in Alaska holding things up. So I gave him the information. He took it down. He said, I'll be on it Monday. And I have no doubt he will be. So that's the kind of thing that we express to them. So when you think about these conversations that you're having and you think about the future of antimony, you're pretty optimistic, it sounds like, coming off of that. Anything other than that that you would say concrete that you are looking to see advancements on as it relates to relationships between your company and the U.S.
17:33federal government? Well, we won a$27 million grant last year, and then we won the$245 million contract. We've got, though, over$350 million of additional grant requests in to various departments of the federal government to assist us, not only in antimony, but in tungsten and some other critical minerals we're involved in. And what I'm kind of hearing through the conversations is that the president really wants to go more from a grant, which is basically a gift to the companies to more of an equity component. In other words, we'll give you X amount of dollars, but we also want a piece of your company.
18:12He talked at this forum about the success he's had with Intel, the success he's had with MP Materials. And so there was a new fellow that I met there actually from Dallas that is now kind of key at the White House and looking at these investments. I also heard very loud and clear they want to do bigger deals. $500 million minimum or bigger. And so we're looking at packaging some things. We're looking at, okay, we can step it up and look at bigger. Okay. That's one of the things that we're doing. So it raises the question, how much of your company would you be willing to sell to the U.S. government?
18:51Well, that all depends on how much money they're willing to give me. So, you know, we're a publicly traded company with a billion-dollar market cap. So we'll have to look at it like any other investment. However, if the government will give you certain additional incentives, say price floors or minimum contracts or other things that would assist your business, you can look at maybe not only just equity but some warrants that are out of the money, other things that gives the government incentives. So we would look at it like any investment banking transaction. But if you'd asked me this six months ago, I'd say, well, no, I'd rather have the grant.
19:29Obviously, the grant is non-dilutive equity, but if you're having the government as a shareholder, I would prefer not over 20 percent would be fine. And broadening out just a bit, how quickly when we think about the U.S. domestically in terms of our critical mineral supply chain, how quickly do you think that we could actually push forward with those strategies, those plans? And is government support enough to make these projects economically viable? law. Well, what's made them much more valuable today is the price of all these critical minerals and rare earths has gone up dramatically. Why has that happened?
20:07China, over the last 30 years, has gone around the world and tied up all these critical minerals. For antimony, they own 85 % of worldwide reserves. For tungsten, it's close to 90 % of worldwide reserves. We have sat and let our country stay behind the eight ball for 30 years while China has done this. So we're playing catch up no doubt about that and it's going to take time we can't do it overnight but having the regulations removed so that we can move quicker you know we've learned a lot from the past with regarding some environmental issues we are very big environmentalists in our company you know when we dig up something we try to bury it again you know within weeks not years down the road so we've gotten some kudos from a lot of the regulatory agencies that hey you guys are really doing a great job.
20:55And so I'm a big conservationist. I love to hunt. I love to fish. I don't want to leave what we do and, and, and ill repair. So we we've made sure that we are the type of company that people will wish that we had come rather than somebody else. So, um, you know, that's a very important Gary, we got to go chairman, uh, Gary Evans, always good to, to check in with you. Appreciate you joining us. Even when you're not here in the studio, that's down in Miami, Gary Evans, chairman and CEO of U.S. Antimony. Stay with us. More from Bloomberg Business Week Daily coming up after this.
21:34Carol Massar:This is the Bloomberg Tech Minute brought to you by ChatGPT. Now with ChatGPT work. I'm Carol Masser. Globetrotters hunting for airfare bargains are in for a rude awakening as the days of stumbling across a cheap seat on a popular flight could soon disappear. Bloomberg's Juan Ha reports that airlines from Delta to Virgin Atlantic are adopting artificial intelligence to change seat prices more quickly by weighing dozens of variables in real time, helping capture more revenue while shrinking pricing gaps that once allowed travelers to find bargain fares. Machine learning models can more accurately forecast demand by analyzing historical booking patterns, seat inventory, and seasonal trends, while also continuously tracking competitors' fares and capacity changes to update prices in near real time.
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25:08or books. The push by tens of thousands of young women to gain acceptance into sororities at large schools in the deep South has moved beyond TikTok to something more fixed in the American zeitgeist. Many want to be part of Southern Greek life, but they don't know where to start. So what are they doing? They're doing what anyone does when they want an answer to something. Yeah, they're spending money. They are writing checks, writing checks. Gabriel Baumgartner is a Bloomberg News reporter who wrote this one of the most read stories. Gabriel joins us from our Washington, D.C. bureau. What is going on at these schools?
25:42I went to a college without any Greek life, so this is kind of news to me. But what's going on here?
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25:49Carol Massar:Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, I grew up in California and then have lived on the East Coast, so this is a different world to me, too. I think what's happened is that there's a pretty well-documented trend of people from outside the South or students outside the South wanting to be part of this kind of larger football games, you know, Greek life in these large Southern public universities. And so many of these young women who are attending want to rush sororities and they learn rather quickly that the standards expected from them are a little bit different than maybe they would be elsewhere.
26:33Well, I have good news for you and me, Gabriel, the Californians who did not experience Greek life because now we live in the Northeast. Uh, we have Norma Linda with us who, uh, not only went to college in the South, right. Yeah. But it's also Greek, Greek. Okay. Yeah. So what, so this is, does this come as any surprise to you? No, not at all. I mean, I think that this isn't groundbreaking news for me. Uh, I, you know, the university of Virginia, which is where I went, there's a ton of spending when it comes to Greek life. You have rush season. Everyone's doing all their, just essentially trying to scout out which sororities and fraternities they want to be a part of.
27:12And it's a lot of money that it takes to not only just, you know, be accepted into these organizations, but also the outfits, everything that you have to wear to look presentable. Did you have a rush coach? So I will say in the black UVA community, It's a bit of a more niche experience. So we didn't actually do the traditional rush, but it is still an expensive endeavor. Okay. Interesting. So Gabriel, who are these rush coaches? Yeah.
27:39Carol Massar:So they are mostly based in the South, as you would expect. Not all of them. One I spoke to is based out of New York City because she's seeing such a surge in clientele from the Northeast. But traditionally, the coaches that I spoke to are based out of the South. And they advertise their services by saying, you know, this is a highly competitive process. Southern summer days are pretty inhospitable in full makeup and perfect fitting dresses. And you're expected to be your best, most presentable self in these 10 to 12 hour days. Anyways, so how are you not only going to be your best self, but how are you going to navigate the weather and potential rejection and the searing eyes of hundreds of girls aged 18 to 22 judging your every movement?
28:42Carol Massar:That thought terrifies me today. Yeah, you and me both. To think of that as a teenager, I would have folded probably quickly on day one had I been subject to this process. You know what's interesting? I'm thinking about all of this in the era of TikTok. So when I was an undergrad, I didn't have TikTok, but now they do. How much has Rush Talk been, you know, essentially a driver for a lot of students, maybe even high schoolers being interested in Greek life once they get to university or even college students who are there presently being more interested in joining a specific organization? To speak to these coaches, you may as well be differentiating between before and common era.
29:30Carol Massar:It is an extraordinary difference. The Rush Talk phenomenon, to those who may not be familiar, was one that really got popular in 2021, where the University of Alabama, their annual Rush process just became quite popular on social media. girls revealing their outfits that they chose that day and then speaking into the camera about whatever acceptance or rejection that they experienced. And so it became this serialized drama of sorts. There was a study in 2022 by the University of South Carolina that the average Rush Talk video averaged 66 ,000 views. It's an average of a hashtagged video. So this really exploded and it has created all different kinds of niche markets.
30:22Carol Massar:Many of these, I don't know about many, but some of these young women are able to have affiliate marketing deals with certain brands so that we're able to sell cute outfits that they could get some commission from. It just seems to be an entirely new world. So, um, well, I clearly did not rush a sorority. I imagine that the process probably looks different to even those who rushed maybe even 10 years ago. So what does it take to, yeah, successfully get through this? I like what, what this thing? I'm not the person to ask. I'm afraid. I mean, I, uh, you know, I've, I've, I've gotten some good pointers from these coaches who were very generous with them.
31:10Carol Massar:Do the coaches have any sort of guarantee. Right. That's what I'm curious about. It's like you're paying$3 ,000 to$12 ,000 and the outcome is whatever. I was told that any coach who advertises a 100 % acceptance rate is not telling the truth. I think what they promise you and what was probably the most, I don't know, revealing, enlightening, what the word to use is, fact about this process was that these coaches are doing kind of early job training for these young women. It sounds a little absurd when you are talking about it in the context of what amounts to a social club, but they are trying to tell them that here is a high-pressure situation, here is how you present in the best and most professional manner possible, because you will be entering something of a social network that could have potentially a good professional future if you use it properly.
32:21Carol Massar:Again, it struck me as overstated when I first heard it, but then to speak with some of these parents, they really felt their daughters started to have some skills that they did not have before working with these coaches, which it was surprising. But certainly enough people confirmed that this is a benefit to having these coaches. And I think it's also about the networking opportunity. I think if you are joining the right organization for a lot of these orgs, you're actually getting access to a new network. So I think to your point, maybe that's what some of these parents are looking at for their children when they're spending this money is the access to some of these networks later down the road.
33:04Carol Massar:I think so. I think it is another example of highly professionalized environments kind of migrating younger and younger. And I don't think we typically think about sororities as acting this way. I don't know, but maybe we've thought about fraternities as having this way in the past. I mean, this was a point of emphasis for several coaches with whom I spoke was, you know, the old boys network has done a lot of it has been quite successful, especially in the South for generations. And so now here is an opportunity for young women to kind of have their turn in, you know, in this type of professional network to benefit themselves for the future in the workforce.
33:50Carol Massar:You know, maybe that's what the parents are paying for. Maybe the parents are just paying for wanting their, if their daughter says that they want to be in a sorority in the South, which is a place that they don't know particularly well, maybe the parents don't want to see their daughters heartbroken before classes start, because in a lot of these places, it is the first thing that you do when you walk onto campus. Gabriel Baumgardner, he's a reporter for Bloomberg News down there in our Washington, D.C. Bureau. It's one of the most read stories on the Bloomberg Terminal. Outsiders pay$6 ,500 for help with Southern Sorority Rush.
34:27Check it out on the terminal. Stay with us. More from Bloomberg Businessweek Daily coming up after this.
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36:46Carol Massar:Let's talk about healthcare for a second. It doesn't always work the way people expect it to. If you've ever waited on a prescription refill or had a hard time getting the care you needed, you know the feeling. The system should just work better for everyone. That's exactly what the people at Optum are trying to do every day. They're a healthcare company linking patient care and pharmacy services and using data and technology to drive the whole system so care is connected, not complicated, for patients and providers. Things like making it easier to get care that looks at the whole person, from primary care doctors to mental health support and even in-home care, and then using technology to make sure they all work together.
37:25Carol Massar:Technology designed to help doctors spend less time on busy work and more time with their patients. And those prescriptions? Optum is working to bring costs down, save patients money, and make it easier to get refills. Little by little, Optum is helping make healthcare work as one for everyone. Head to business.optum.com to see how. You're listening to the Bloomberg Business Week Daily Podcast. Catch us live weekday afternoons from 2 to 5 Eastern. Listen on Apple CarPlay and Android Auto with the Bloomberg Business app. Or watch us live on YouTube. The challenges of growing up as a teenager in this country were difficult before social media, and they were difficult before GLP-1s.
38:10GLP-1s are the focus of Madison Muller and Alex Levine's latest story. It's written for Bloomberg Businessweek, and it's one of the most read stories on the Bloomberg Terminal today. Madison Muller is healthcare reporter for Bloomberg News. She joins us, I think, from Chicago today, maybe just outside Chicago. I'm just getting the sense that she's in Chicago. Madison, like I said, I mean, we were talking earlier about growing up. Nora said she was in college before TikTok. I was in college before iPhones. High school is a challenging time for boys and girls, especially girls. Enter social media.
38:52Enter GLP ones. This is like challenging times a thousand. What did you and Alex find? Totally. That's exactly right. I mean, there have always been pressures around body image and how you look. And that's especially true for teenagers who are vulnerable to all of this messaging and who have the pressures of fitting in and all of those things. And so add in GLP-1s and the sort of constant bombardment of advertisements that these kids are seeing. And also the conversation around celebrities and the constant asking of, oh, is this celebrity taking a GLP-1? This celebrity has lost a lot of weight, which was sort of always something that people discussed.
39:34But I think that that has really been exacerbated in this age of Ozempic and of GLP-1s. It's really hard for kids to navigate this today. they feel like they can't escape the messaging around weight loss i mean you go to put on a show on hulu or netflix you see an advertisement for one of these drugs or one of the telehealth companies that sells them the advertisements are all over social media they're on the subway at least here in new york and they really just are like okay well am i supposed to do this you know i'm seeing celebrities do it i'm seeing all this messaging around it if i'm able to change my body should I?
40:12And that's a really sad predicament and sort of like a concerning predicament for our youth today. And it's just, it's really tough being a kid. Yeah. I mean, Madison, one of the most striking findings in your reporting is that you say that almost every teenage girl you interviewed knew someone who's taking these drugs without a clear medical need. So how are kids actually getting access to them? Yeah, that's a really good question. So these drugs, GLP-1s are, Wagovi, which is Novo Nordisk's drug, is approved for kids 12 and up who have obesity. ZepBound, which is Eli Lilly's drug, is approved for people 18 and up.
40:52So it's actually not approved for younger adults or teenagers. But doctors can prescribe these drugs off-label to anyone of any age if they think that that is relevant, important. They sort of have the ability to make that judgment call. but in this story we're talking about teenagers who don't need glp1s who are accessing them maybe for cosmetic reasons and it's just become increasingly easy to buy one of these drugs online and lie about your age you know a lot of the telehealth platforms do not service or do not allow kids under 18 to access them but that doesn't really stop them from lying about their age to get one of these drugs and there's not often age verification checks on this platform Then there's like the we're hearing about, you know, dealers potentially at schools.
41:43We're hearing about people taking it from their parents or getting it from a friend. There's many different ways that kids are accessing these drugs. They're obviously creative and quite crafty. And that's been true for things before GLP-1s. But now some of those lessons, I guess, or learnings are being applied to weight loss drugs in this current era. Do you see any advocacy groups or do you anticipate advocacy groups coming out and trying to figure out how you can really put some regulations around who's able to get access to GLP-1s outside of the need for, you know, maybe diabetic purposes, for instance?
42:18Yeah, we're definitely seeing that in the eating disorder community sort of start to pick up. We spoke to some physicians from Equip, which is a telehealth startup for people with eating disorders, helps them connect to therapists and access eating disorder treatment through a virtual option, which makes it a little bit more accessible because eating disorder care is pretty hard to access in the U.S. but they are speaking out about this we interviewed them for the story they said that they're seeing kids as young as 11 coming to access treatment for eating disorders after getting their hands on one of these drugs or they're seeing kids that are already in their program gaining access to one of the weight loss drugs and so they are starting to sound the alarm a little bit and i think the eating disorder community is sort of leading the charge on that really asking for more screening around like the risk factors of screening, you know, across the board, asking doctors to ask more questions about eating disorders to sort of screen out the people that might be seeking out these drugs for the wrong reason.
43:22But then also calling for more verification checks on these telehealth platforms to ensure that kids or again, people who don't necessarily need these drugs aren't just able to lie about their age and weight just to get access to one of them. I mean, you know, you talked about celebrities. I mean, Serena Williams, we know that she represents and has done a lot of ads for GLP One drugs. Also, the Kardashians I'm seeing in your piece, the idea of the weight loss supplements that they're also pushing. Tell me about what this means for, you know, kids. How difficult is it when you think about the actual algorithm on social media and what kids are interacting with?
44:01How difficult is it for some of these platforms to actually police some of the content that, you know, these young adults are actually encountering? Yeah, that's another really good question. I mean, it's something that in terms of TikTok has been a question for a long time, both on the eating disorder front and on the GLP-1 front. We've seen the company get a lot of pushback for sort of the flood of content around both things. And we've seen TikTok take some steps to put restrictions around what people can see, what people can search for. So a lot of the GLP-1 drugs you can't really search for on TikTok anymore.
44:40Same with different phrases that might lead you down a path of looking at eating disorder content. However, again, people, kids are crafty and it's pretty easy for them. They come up with different phrases that then sort of take off in the cultural vernacular and people know what to search for if you're looking for content around GLP-1s or around body image or weight loss or any of these things. So it's pretty easy to circumvent, unfortunately. And I think, again, so these groups want greater restrictions around social media. It's a must read story. It's one of the most read on the Bloomberg terminal.
45:13Alexandra Levine and Madison Muller writing for Bloomberg Businessweek. Madison Muller is healthcare reporter for Bloomberg News.
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