In short
The episode is a multi-topic Bloomberg Business Week Daily segment. Main news: SpaceX won a $4B contract to build “Golden Dome” satellites that track airborne targets (foreign aircraft and cruise missiles), detect them, and alert U.S. military authorities. Sana Pashankar (Bloomberg News space reporter) says space-based sensors reduce blind spots versus ground/aircraft monitoring and are harder to target. She notes Golden Dome is meant to integrate space and ground capabilities through a command-and-control effort involving companies including Palantir and Anduril, but the exact architecture remains unclear. She also references NORAD/Cheyenne Mountain integration questions.
Guests
Zachary (president) of Red Roof (100% franchised; 700+ properties across U.S., Canada, Japan) discusses summer travel demand, K-shaped pricing, and expansion into Vancouver (June 15 opening). Deborah Harper (Fan Club AI founder/CEO) discusses AI vs IP copyright lawsuits and her plan for an IP “vault” repository with watermarks and royalty tagging. Dr. Amish Adalja (Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security) covers Ebola response, arguing U.S. biocontainment units should be used and that Ebola is less contagious than feared; treatment is mainly supportive care, with limited countermeasures for this strain.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOSpaceX's $4 Billion Contract
2:10 to 2:31
Explore SpaceX's new contract to develop satellite tracking systems.
“aircraft and missiles as part of President Trump's Golden Dome defensive shield.”
Tracking Airborne Threats
2:31 to 4:39
Learn about how the new satellite capabilities will enhance military monitoring.
“So essentially, yeah, SpaceX has won a contract where they will be developing satellites that track airborne targets, you know, like foreign aircraft and cruise missiles.”
SpaceX Stock Expectations
4:39 to 5:02
Discussion on SpaceX's projected valuation and market status.
“Once again, SpaceX wins a$4 billion contract for US Golden Dome satellites.”
SpaceX Stock Expectations
5:10 to 6:25
Discussion on SpaceX's projected valuation and market status.
“The thing about AI for business, it may not automatically fit the way your business works.”
Cincinnati Insurance Support
6:38 to 7:21
How Cincinnati Insurance aids customers during tough financial times.
“Advisory services by Public Advisors, SEC Registered Advisor, crypto services by ZeroHash.”
Travel Trends and Demands
7:39 to 14:00
Discussion on consumer travel trends and hotel industry insights.
“I know Charlie's probably made his plans for the summer because he actually plans far in advance.”
Red Roof's Strategic Position in Canada
14:00 to 15:44
Learn about Red Roof's brand recognition and market performance in Canada.
“A lot of Canadians used to travel to the U.S.”
Red Roof's Strategic Position in Canada
15:46 to 16:58
Learn about Red Roof's brand recognition and market performance in Canada.
“More from Bloomberg Businessweek Daily coming up after this.”
Dell's Market Performance and AI Demand
17:08 to 23:41
Explore Dell's strong market performance driven by AI and server demand.
“Brokered services by Public Investing, member FINRA SIPC.”
AI vs. Intellectual Property Rights
23:42 to 28:00
Delve into the implications of AI on intellectual property rights with Deborah Harper.
“Intelligence team joining us from Princeton.”
Show all 22 chapters
The Future of IP Rights and AI
28:00 to 29:40
Explore how AI can revolutionize the management of intellectual property rights.
“which we are launching called Fan Club Library Vault.”
Reddit's Data Licensing Dilemma
29:40 to 32:40
Discussion on the implications of Reddit licensing its data for AI training.
“for example, has been that this is an AI play because the company is able to license its data to, uh, LLMs to train those LLMs.”
Sponsor: Public
32:40 to 33:31
Promotional segment for Public, an investing platform with AI tools.
“More from Bloomberg Businessweek Daily coming up after this.”
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33:38 to 33:56
Promotional segment for Public, an investing platform with AI tools.
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34:30 to 35:02
Promotional segment for Public, an investing platform with AI tools.
“You need to make a huge presentation in an hour.”
Understanding the Current Ebola Situation
35:06 to 39:20
In-depth analysis of the Ebola virus outbreak and the response to it.
“You're listening to the Bloomberg Business Week Daily Podcast.”
Ebola Treatment and Future Outlook
39:20 to 42:01
Discussion on Ebola treatments and the ongoing challenges in outbreaks.
“And it makes no sense, zero sense, to just have them sitting there doing nothing.”
Understanding the Current Ebola Outbreak
42:01 to 42:25
Learn about the challenges of the current Ebola outbreak and ongoing treatments.
“The one that's causing this outbreak now is a rarer strain for which we don't have specific antibodies for and we don't have a vaccine for.”
Expert Insights on Ebola Situation
42:27 to 42:59
Hear expert predictions on the duration and awareness of the Ebola outbreak.
“Adalja, thank you so much for joining us.”
Bloomberg's Ebola Coverage
43:01 to 43:12
Discover where to find Bloomberg's comprehensive coverage on Ebola.
“Bloomberg, founder of Bloomberg LP, the parent company of Bloomberg Radio.”
Bloomberg's Ebola Coverage
43:15 to 44:09
Discover where to find Bloomberg's comprehensive coverage on Ebola.
“available on Apple, Spotify, and anywhere else you get your podcasts.”
Introducing Bloomberg Daybreak Podcast
44:13 to 44:38
Find out about Bloomberg Daybreak, a podcast summarizing global news.
“Start your day with Bloomberg Daybreak, the podcast with a global view on the stories that matter.”
Transcript
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2:01The Bloomberg Business Week Daily podcast with Carol Masser and Tim Stenevek on Bloomberg Radio. SpaceX has won a contract for more than$4 billion to build satellites to track foreign aircraft and missiles as part of President Trump's Golden Dome defensive shield. Sana Pashankar is a Bloomberg News space reporter. Sana joins us from the Washington, D.C. area. Sana, what did you learn about SpaceX and the Golden Dome in this scoop? Totally. So essentially, yeah, SpaceX has won a contract where they will be developing satellites that track airborne targets, you know, like foreign aircraft and cruise missiles.
2:45So anything that's flying through the air, they are going to be developing satellites that track those, detect those, and then, you know, alert the military authorities that need to know about them. Um, historically, you know, um, the military has used ground-based sensors and aircraft, military aircraft to monitor the skies. Um, but by kind of putting that detection capability in space, you can see more, you have less blind spots, um, and it's actually less risky, um, because, you know, satellites are a little bit harder to target than moving aircraft. So is the theory that this would integrate with preexisting structures like NORAD, North com, you know, Cheyenne Mountain is not just a part of movie lore.
3:26It's an actual thing. My dad used to work there where the job was to do exactly this. Did you get to go to? I did. And it was really cool. Yeah, we absolutely did get to go inside the mountain. It's very cool. How does this integrate with the system that already exists? And is there a back end of this where if they track these things and there is an incoming thing identified by these new technologies, how will the U.S. respond? Yeah, so they are working to basically integrate space-based capabilities, a lot of ground-based capabilities through this command and control group, which is a group of a couple of different companies, including Palantir, Anderl, and actually SpaceX to integrate space-based capabilities and all these things across the United States.
4:08That's actually a separate part of Golden Dome that SpaceX is involved in. They're involved in multiple fronts. That's what we're learning over time. But exactly how those will be integrated with the different commands, as you're mentioning, is not really known. We're getting fewer and fewer. We're getting some details about Golden Dome recently, but still is including the exact architecture is not really well known. Sana, I'm going to have to leave it there, but thanks so much for jumping on and joining us on this breaking news. Congratulations on the scoop. Once again, SpaceX wins a$4 billion contract for US Golden Dome satellites.
4:45I can't check SpaceX stock because, well, that has not gone public yet. The expectation is next month,$1.8 trillion valuation. We'll, of course, have everything SpaceX here on Bloomberg Businessweek Daily. Sana Pashankar, Bloomberg News, space reporter with The Scoop. Stay with us. More from Bloomberg Businessweek Daily coming up after this.
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7:19The Cincinnati Insurance Companies. Let them make your bad day better. Find an agent at CINFIN.com. You're listening to the Bloomberg Business Week Daily Podcast. Catch us live weekday afternoons from 2 to 5 p.m. Eastern. Listen on Apple CarPlay and Android Auto with the Bloomberg Business app. Or watch us live on YouTube. I know Charlie's probably made his plans for the summer because he actually plans far in advance. I know Christina has not. But you know what? I'm not great at plans. Well. I'm not great at plans. First, you've got to request the time off. And then you've got to decide where you're going to go.
7:53Again, things I'm not good at. But I could do like a spontaneous road trip. Well, Bloomberg Intelligence did the heavy lifting. They surveyed the 2026 vacation plans of 1 ,000 adults. 66 % expect to spend more on vacations in 2026 than they did the prior year. And it's actually happening even as many are staying closer to home. They're citing safety concerns tied to geopolitical instability. And for lower-income travelers, higher costs are largely unavoidable, driven by inflation. That's right. When we talked to them about it this past weekend, people still want to travel. So they are finding ways to do that, even if it means not going overseas, if it means staying closer to home.
8:26they want to have a high-end experience but that's not always possible so if that's not possible they're going to find the vacation they can afford and they're still going to go over anything else over clothing over almost any other voluntary spending metric it is travels all right we want to get out there for more on travel and the consumer we're joined by zachary president of red roof the company has brands that include red roof in red roof plus and more and more than 700 properties in the u.s canada and japan it's 100 franchise at this point zach good to have you with us. How are you? I'm doing great.
8:54Thank you. How are you? We're doing pretty well. By the way, Christina, we can have you at Roto-Rof any time you want. I know you said you want to travel. We should talk afterwards. Maybe you can force this planning. Again, my other co-anchor gives me a hard time about this all the time. So how is the summer shaping up? I mean, you're in an interesting business because you franchised everything out. So you're asset light, but you still hear from your franchisees about demand and what they're seeing. What are they telling you? Absolutely. We're very close to them. You know, summer is actually shaping up to be a very good summer so far.
9:23So Deloitte published that 45 million Americans plan to take summer vacations this year. And more than 80 % of them are going to stay at hotels. So it's looking good for us. Now, the momentum really started in the beginning of 2026 when you think about it. Q1 was really good, a really good quarter overall. April was a very strong month. It continues into May. So when you actually look at the end, by the end of April, the hotel rough bar, you know, was up 4 % year over year. And that's really good. It's not only driven by occupancy, it's also driven by rate. Now, the K-shaped economy is real. I mean, I can tell you that a lot of this growth was driven by luxury and upscale.
10:07So we at the mid-scale and economy, we have not seen that much of growth yet. We are seeing bigger demand from an occupancy perspective. So occupancy is up, which is the first time we've seen that in the last two and a half years. But the price, our guests are still price sensitive, and we can see that. But that really, luxury was up 7.2 % this year until end of April, versus economy and mid-scale barely up. But we are seeing a shift from the last two and a half years, and that's a good sign. Now, that momentum is carrying into the summer as we're seeing it. You know, there's a lot of things happening this summer.
10:48So really, event planning is taking place at a high level. We're seeing a lot of people go to concerts. Concert events are very popular. Weddings, reunions, charity events are being popular these days. And also, I mean, we're going to celebrate 250. So the booking pace for the 250 is very strong right now. And we all know the FIFA World Cup. Those markets are going to do great. Not only the hotels, but also the economies of those markets are going to be really good. I think it's not as people expected, but it's still going to be a strong performance overall. So we're really excited about the summer.
11:29And so when you look at those urban markets overall, because of this event planning, pace is very good. We're seeing a very good pace. But the really good thing that we're seeing as well is road trippers are deciding to get on the road. They're driving. So our interstate hotels are facing. Even with higher gas prices. Even with higher gas prices. I mean, think about it. How much of your customer is booking in advance? And how much of your customer is doing what we used to do as kids? You drive until you can't drive anymore. You pick a chain that you know or trust or recognize. And that's where you stay for the night.
11:59Most of our customers are booking in the last two to three days. They are. Yes. Yes. So it's a short booking window. But, you know, they're finding great deals. I mean, we're doing a really good job in making sure we're creating the summer campaign. We just rolled out our summer campaign, finding your roots, right? It's creating that emotional sentiment with our guests. And, you know, on Route 66, it's like get on the road, travel, take your family, take your kids. And that's resonating. So when you look at the last two weeks since we rolled out this campaign, over 4 ,000 families have actually enrolled in the campaign.
12:38And we expect thousands and thousands more to actually do more of this. And that's exciting to see because, you know, I mean, it's been tough in a sense for a lot of the lower income, you know, guests in that sense. So anything we can do to offer value, obviously create consistency and reliability on the property level, that really helps the travels. From a business standpoint, if we're looking at, like you just said, you haven't seen as much growth on the price end from your customer, right? They still can only pay what they can pay. How does that impact, if your bookings are already pretty solid, your plans for expansion, what you want to do next, if you're looking at not a huge increase in margins coming in for booking those same rooms?
13:20Yeah, look, I mean, first we have to build the occupancy. So we have to make sure that our hotels are ready to build the occupancy. We have to make sure that we're creating the promotions to bring people in, having experience. And how do you do that? What is your customer most looking for? So they're looking for value and comfort. So clean and comfort is really our model on the economy level and at a good price, you know, so there's value in it. And so it's a winning formula that way. Zach, Christina asked about expansion. you have some Canada news announcing that you're expanding into Vancouver.
13:52You announced that earlier this month. Why Vancouver? Why Canada? Why not? You're already in Japan. I know. This is really exciting. It's very strategic for us right now. First, we have a brand recognition. A lot of Canadians used to travel to the U.S. Used to? Used to travel to the U.S.? Well, those Canadian to U.S. travel numbers are not good at the moment. But yes. Yes, yes. But they know Red Roof. They've seen Red Roof along the way. Maybe they stayed at Red Roof. So brand recognition is already there, and that's really important. But when you look at the economics right now, Canadians have shifted their travel.
14:31It's the beginning of early last year. They shifted. They started traveling more into Canada, you know, and that really has created record performance in the Canadian number. I mean, 2025 was the highest on record in Canada performance. Average rate over$200 and average rate over$128. No concern about the Canadian consumer. Canada edging into a technical recession. Weak business and government spending drove a slight contraction in the first quarter. No concern? No concern. Really? No concern. We believe that Canadians will continue traveling within Canada, and we are positioned well into expansion in a great market.
15:13And then we're going to Vancouver. So when you look actually on a micro level in the Vancouver market, that's a very high entry, high to barrier entry. So less supply, no supply, but a lot of demand. So it's a great partnership. We're going to open our hotel on June 15th. It's 168 unit, fully renovated inside and out in Vancouver Airport. Vancouver, Vancouver. Yes. And it's a great city to visit. Zachary, love it. Thank you so much for joining us, Zachary President over at Red Roof. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thanks for coming in. Stay with us. More from Bloomberg Businessweek Daily coming up after this.
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18:23sales outlook that far surpassed analyst estimates. It was fueled by demand for servers that power the AI work. Dell CFO David Kennedy spoke to Bloomberg Tech's Ed Ludlow last night after earnings. It's a tremendous start to the quarter, obviously, in the year ahead, built on real, durable and accelerating globally the amount of infrastructure that's needed out there. So really more broad base and, you know, AI demand, if you like, beyond the GPU in terms of the opportunities ahead. That was Dell CFO David Kennedy speaking at Bloomberg's Ed Ludlow just yesterday after earnings. For more, we bring in Wu Jin-ho, senior hardware and networking analyst for Bloomberg Intelligence.
18:58He joins us from our Princeton Bureau. The results that we got from Dell yesterday that are causing this stock to surge higher today, does that completely change how you look at demand for this technology? Hey, Tim, that's the best question I've received all day. Thank you. It's fine, it's fine. I don't want to have to follow that. That's fine. Not a problem. I mean, look, a cyclical move or a better than expected cyclical move like this doesn't drive a stock like this. This is more of a structural move. What's happening is that the demand for compute, there's a big shortage in the demand for compute.
19:38And I think that is not only driving the AI server demand, but also the traditional servers demand. that might be durable beyond fiscal 27 or calendar 26, but into 27 and 28. Okay, so for the uninitiated, who are going to ask less amazing questions than Tim Stenovic, where are you really seeing this? I mean, I was surprised looking through this as well, that yes, it is a lot of AI, it is a lot of servers. When you look at the breakdown between software and hardware, what is driving this, or is it a combination of both? Yeah, so let's break down the numbers in terms of the guidance increase, right?
20:16If we look at the guidance increase, they raised their guidance by about$25 to$27 billion. AI servers, they raised it by about$10 billion, from$50 billion to$60 billion. Look, those are fantastic numbers, quite frankly. But the rest of the business, traditional servers, PCs, storage, that went up$15 to$17 billion in terms of the guidance. So what it's telling me is that traditional server business as well as PC business is stronger than expected. Now, what's driving some of that is because of the memory inflation that's pulling forward a lot of demand so they want to avoid higher prices. But I do think that there's legs to this demand because margins are going up in the back half of this year.
21:03So we are talking about durability of the traditional businesses, which is supposed to be a, you know, I've heard the term dinosaur a lot, which is supposed to be a dinosaur business. It no longer is. So who right now is doing the buying? Are these firms that are doing inference and they've moved past training, Wujin? Yeah, no, it's, you know, if you think about the, from the AI server standpoint, it's the neoclouds as well as the sovereigns. Think about the core weaves of the world, the nebbias of the world, you know, even G44 out in the Middle East, they're not seeing a slowdown on that demand at all.
21:37If anything, we're still in the early innings of that demand uptick. I'm wondering, as you look at the places that they grew and some of the companies that are choosing Delta rent that computing power. You've got CoreWeave, you've got N-Scale Global Holdings, as well as a lot of corporate clients and major AI providers. Why does Dell have an edge here? What are they doing differently that's drawing these companies kind of into the fold? Well, as a throwback to the 90s, you've got to get a Dell. Yeah, dude, you're getting a Dell. There's also this great meme, I don't know if you've seen it, that if you onboard to a company and they hand you a MacBook, you should be concerned about a bubble or a startup flop.
22:14But if you onboard and they hand you like an old Dell, you know you're good. That's stability. Like, you know where you're at. What a world. And I think you have the point right there, right? Because there's a couple of things that's going on in all seriousness. We're talking about a company that, like, excluding the AI business, we're talking about a$100 billion business. They have the operational scale, they have the distribution scale, and also the supply scale, right? There aren't many companies that can do that. And when you need your AI servers tomorrow or the time when you need it, there are only a handful of companies that can do it.
22:47Dell, Supermicro, and Lenovo. And from a scale perspective, I put my money on Dell. Why? Well, primarily because they have the supply chain relationships. They have, and when I talk about supply chain relationships, they have the NVIDIA relationships. So if you know that you can get the GPUs, have it assembled and manufactured correctly, and shipped on time when you need it. Again, Dell is one of the top-notch executors in terms of the AI server story. Yeah, and this year, Wujin shares of Dell are up a whopping 220, wow, 280%, sorry, 230 % at this point. Just very briefly, 10 seconds. Is this concerning at all to you?
23:34Right now, if it is a structural change, it's not. you should see a multiple re-rate. All right, there we go. Woo Jin-ho from our Bloomberg Intelligence team joining us from Princeton. This is the Bloomberg Business Week Daily Podcast. Listen live each weekday starting at 2 p.m. Eastern on Apple CarPlay and Android Auto with the Bloomberg Business app. You can also listen live on Amazon Alexa from our flagship New York station. Just say Alexa, play Bloomberg 1130. Tim, you mentioned we're continuing on a theme here today, but one of the things that has caused a lot of controversy, we were talking earlier about social media and how we all kind of missed on social media laws, regulations, protections, and that's the next front in AI.
24:17One of the big things is AI versus IP. That's, of course, shaping up to be one of the big battles of the new digital age. Who has the right to learn from this universe of human-created material? Can AI companies scrape IP without paying for it? What are the repercussions if they don't? Yeah, I mean, we see publishers going after some of these LLMs because they're trying to prove that these models were trained on the intellectual property from their reporters, from their writers. There's some pretty prominent and significant lawsuits happening right now. You're even seeing it in the art world from these estates of painters who have long since passed, but they're seeing their work replicated pretty directly in these AI genera and who wins and who has standing.
24:55It's fascinating. So joining us now is Deborah Harper. She's the founder and CEO of Fan Club AI, which is seeking to help solve or at least bridge some of these problems. Debra, there's currently 125 plus active AI copyright lawsuits. You guys are trying to solve some of these issues. Talk to us a little bit about what is the top line? What does your company do? And how are you trying to address some of these concerns? Well, thank you for having me today, Tim and Christina. I'm excited to have this conversation because like you say, it certainly is a very topical one. We've launched Fan Club AI to solve the mass scale intellectual property rights crisis that we are seeing created by generative AI.
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25:39Like you said, so many infringement lawsuits and landmark cases that have just been settled, like Barts versus Anthropic, which just got settled for 1.5 billion. So we're not looking at small numbers here. And that's a lot of cases that are out there unsolved with more being filed every day. So we've launched Fan Club AI to reshape how intellectual property rights are recognized, managed and monetized with collaboration across the industries. We have a deep expertise in this area because we've been working in film clearance, music clearance, all IP rights clearance for known consumer brands for decades.
26:22and we've decided that the best part of what we can do is put together this incredible framework that everyone works into and it's got to be collaborative or these lawsuits just aren't going to stop because there is a lot of infringement happening and ai does need to train on the data it needs to be ai ready in order to recognize those assets as copyrighted assets what what is what of courts said what is the legal precedent right now like what is allowed and what's not allowed? Well, it's very murky right now. I think that the big companies that are, you know, training models and may have gone out there without permissions initially just to get through the alphas are certainly saying that AI is a new frontier and that copyright doesn't apply, which is certainly not the case when we're seeing generative AI and, you know, what's coming at us in the time of AGI, which is the next piece where, like you said, works of art are going to be so similar, the creative that comes out of it is being shaped to look so similar to existing IPs.
27:23It's a very murky space. It can't be deemed fair use. So the only path forward is for all the asset holders to register their assets in a repository where AI can recognize those assets and reverse block them from being generated or flag them as being too close to an existing copyright work. And it's very easy to do from a tech standpoint. The complexity is in getting all the collaboration that you need from all the different domains. And that's where we come in from film, television, sports, music, gaming, tech, and really consumer brands, art and architecture with experts in all of these domains ready to get everybody into the same asset repository, which we are launching called Fan Club Library Vault.
28:08So all the IP rights... So explain a little bit how that works, because you say you're trying to get this secure AI vault, because what you don't want to do is cut these properties off from the people who want to watch them, enjoy them, consume them. So you want them to harness AI to kind of reach the fandom, but do that in a way that is monetized, and they get to choose what the AI is doing. How do you do that? Exactly. So we need everyone's assets to be registered in one database, and that's got to be at the chip level. It's got to be at the API, through APIs at the chip level so that anyone that is drafting off of that, anyone that's modeling off of that has that recognition.
28:45The assets are embedded with watermarks. The assets are embedded with retrieval systems. The assets are embedded and tagged with royalty payments or agreements that could instantly be in real time, machine time, issued to whoever wants to work with that item. and in the same way it can be contextualized by the IP holders so they can input the information to say who they do want to work with, who they don't want to work with. It's just that it has to be digitized. We're seeing what's happening here is like what happened when iTunes came out and the music industry had to digitize in a really compressed frame of time.
29:25We're seeing exactly the same happen now where all the visual assets need to digitize and have those assets watermarked and stamped for reverse copyright protection. I want to talk about some companies because one of the narratives that's emerged over the last couple of years when it comes to Reddit, for example, has been that this is an AI play because the company is able to license its data to, uh, LLMs to train those LLMs. And what I've found is that I used to go to Reddit to ask questions about things I was looking to do, like home improvement and stuff like that. Now I can just ask Claude or, or chat GPT and, and it doesn't like, I'm not going to read it.
30:07Yeah. I'm not going to read it as much. And I'm wondering if, if, you know, a company like Reddit, um, are, I want to ask this in a way that's, that's sensitive to all these, you know, the people who are making these decisions but it's like in hindsight is that not a good decision to license your data to train an llm because then you you kind of like license yourself out yourself out of the equation i think that if they don't like if they don't register the asset in a secure repository somewhere there's the the proof in court is so difficult that you know i think if they can watermark it, they can embed tagging, they can put in place a secure infrastructure that can at least help to safeguard those assets.
30:53No matter where it ends up, no matter where it gets passed through, the asset ultimately belongs to the IP right holder, whether you saw it through ChatGPT or you saw it through Reddit or you found this, no matter who the sort of pass-through information holder is the ultimate end user needs to be able to be cleared directly with the IP holder, the rights holder. And that's what's not happening right now. So it's the same on a film, for example, all the work that we do to clear films and TV shows. You can't imagine how much the buildings we have to clear, the art that appears in the background, the car the actor's driving, the actor's license, likeness, obviously, what they're wearing, all of, you know, everything in that frame has to be cleared.
31:38You can't imagine the number of legal agreements that happen to make a film, you know, publishable. What's happening now is all of those assets, again, architecture, buildings, just for someone to recreate in generative AI, something that is like a New York street scene. You, you want all those assets to be absolutely cleared by the rights holders in the backgrounds, you know, or tagged and at least credited. And I think in, in, in so doing, you're giving everybody the credit. There might not be a license fee due. There might not be a royalty to you, but everybody's got to get the credit where it's due.
32:16I think the architect's got to be recognized for that building. The artist's got to get something, even if the world people are fired. Well, Debra, certainly no clear answer at this point. The courts haven't really determined, as you mentioned, it's murky. It's ongoing. Yeah, it's ongoing. We appreciate you taking the time and joining us. Debra Harper is founder and CEO of Fan Club AI. She joins us this afternoon from New York. Stay with us. More from Bloomberg Businessweek Daily coming up after this.
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35:09Catch us live weekday afternoons from 2 to 5 p.m. Eastern. Listen on Apple CarPlay and Android Auto with the Bloomberg Business app. Or watch us live on YouTube. One thing that we haven't actually talked about today, which is really surprising, is Ebola. And it actually hasn't even really been on the radar of traders, it seems like. It is kind of crazy. And it's also amazing how quickly this story peaks and then goes right back to the bottom of the stories list. not just for us, but, you know, I listened to a million different outlets in the morning before I come in, and it wasn't on almost any of the things I was listening to this morning, because so far, I think people feel like it is contained to the region where it is happening, but that's not how infectious diseases work, and especially at a time when public health is having some fundamental structural issues, especially between the U.S.
35:59and the WHO and things like that, and this is just a really tricky, very deadly disease, and it's hard to contain in a power world without a lot of health infrastructure, it's something that really matters and that I'm surprised you're not seeing reflected more places. For more, I want to bring in Dr. Amish Adalja, senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security at the Bloomberg School of Public Health. He joins us here in the Bloomberg Interactive Brokers Studio. We should note the Bloomberg School of Public Health. It is supported by Michael R. Bloomberg, founder of Bloomberg LP, the parent company of Bloomberg Radio.
36:26Dr. Adalja, good to see you. Good to have you back. Last time you were here, we were talking about Hantavirus and there were some headlines about Ebola at this point. Just today, a Kenyan high court temporarily blocking the government from approving a deal with the U.S. to establish an Ebola quarantine facility in the country after a human rights group said the plan posed, quote, grave health risk to the public. Was this the right move of the United States to try to keep Ebola out of the U.S.? It was the opposite of the right move, because what we know is that we have a whole network of places that can take care of Ebola patients that were built exactly for that purpose.
37:00Here in the U.S.? In the U.S. There's at least 13 of them. There's one right here in New York City at Bellevue. And they've taken care of Ebola patients before. They drill on this. They train on this. This is what they're actually designed for. That's what millions of dollars were spent to create. And it makes no sense to have them lie fallow. And you try to create something ad hoc in Kenya, which is going to deliver nowhere near the standard of medical care necessary to take care of Ebola patients. And there's also a concern about the people who are going to staff these centers. We're getting something like three days of training versus people who've studied containment for years.
37:32And someone else is saying there's another concern that, to your point, it might actually make it worse because if one of these volunteers were to accidentally get exposed or potentially exposed, they might be disinclined to report that so that they can go home at the end of their tenure rather than they themselves then getting stuck at the same facility. Correct. There's lots of different hazards that occur. Not only does it encourage people to not report any kind of exposure, it also will disincentivize people from going to the outbreak zone to extinguish the outbreak. And we know the only way to end this is to actually end it at its source, to get resources to the DRC so that this ceases to be an issue for anyone.
38:07There was a comment that the Secretary of State Marco Rubio made earlier this week at the cabinet meeting that got my attention. He said, quote, we cannot and will not allow any cases of Ebola to enter the United States. That seems like a really difficult thing to control. Like saying that kind of sets you up for like, wait a second. But it sort of says that they're fixated on this number of zero. It reminds me of 2020 and the COVID pandemic. Exactly. It's kind of a distraction because we know that there may be exposures from doctors, for example, that go there. And that means that those people are not going to be repatriated because it's going to blemish that record of zero.
38:45And I think this is kind of putting politics ahead of medical care. This is not something that makes any sense. As I talked about earlier, those Ebola treatment centers in the United States, they've taken care of multiple Ebola patients during the 2013-2014 outbreak. They had no secondary cases. It was done safely. And with pretty good outcomes, right? I remember, I think most of them that were treated here did recover, correct? Almost all. Only one person died. That person was transferred very late, but everybody survived. These are the top-notch places. It's like if you had a stroke, you want to go to a comprehensive stroke center.
39:15So if you have Ebola, you want to be at one of these biocontainment units. That's exactly what they're made for. And it makes no sense, zero sense, to just have them sitting there doing nothing. How do we, what do we get wrong about Ebola? And the way I use the term we, I just mean like lay people and the way we think about how contagious it is, how deadly it is. I think a lot of people think it's this far off, this far off disease. I think what people get wrong is mistaking deadliness, headline grabbingness, scariness for contagion. So yes, Ebola is contagious, but not very contagious. You get it only from exposure to blood and body fluids.
39:52And that's blood and body fluids from people that are actually sick. So when you're looking at it from a pathogen perspective, that's not very efficient transmission from person to person. So it takes very simple measures to stop an Ebola outbreak. It's just that in that area of the DRC, they can't even do that right now. and this outbreak has had a four-week at least head start. But Ebola doesn't find many countries hospitable because of how constrained it is when it gets from person to person. But it's always going to grab headlines. It's always deadly and dangerous. But on a pound-for-pound basis, it's not something that qualifies as a pandemic threat.
40:23One of the reasons transmission is hard to stop in some of these places is because you're fighting not only the virus replicating, but you're fighting the replication of misinformation and disinformation a lot of times. How much of an impact is the lack of USAID structure in a lot of these places? These volunteers who, even if they're not healthcare professionals, would have reported back to the Capitol, would have called someone in Kinshasa and say, we're seeing cases. Just that infrastructure to distribute information, how big of an impact do you think that's having on the spread of this disease?
40:51I think initially, if USAID was on the ground there, this virus would not have had that four-week head start. It might not have been that USAID diagnosed it, but they would have said something is up here, and that would have alerted people to bring more resources to try and investigate what's going on. So that's definitely the case. But there is massive amounts of disinformation. This is an area that had an Ebola outbreak several years ago that was marked by people being killed, by Doctors Without Borders having facilities burned. That same thing is happening now. I think there's at least three.
41:18They've already burned a hospital. Three of them, yeah. So this is very, very difficult to deal with. It's very dangerous. And there was lots of disinformation, people who don't believe that Ebola is actually a thing. That's all going to complicate this. And that's why it's going to probably take months to get a handle on it. How is Ebola treated? And I ask that with the context of also the question about vaccinations and if those are being developed. Maybe how should Ebola be treated? Because we know it's treated a couple of different ways. So the mainstay is just supportive care. And it's not just supportive care.
41:47It's IV fluids. It's electrolyte replacement. It's fixing the dehydration, controlling the fever, controlling the vomiting. That goes a long way to decreasing mortality. We do have specific antibodies that we give people for a different strain of Ebola. There are six species of Ebola. The one that's causing this outbreak now is a rarer strain for which we don't have specific antibodies for and we don't have a vaccine for. But we've been able to stop Ebola outbreaks in the absence of those countermeasures for a very, very long time. It's really just about making sure resources are there. And there will be clinical trials.
42:17There will be experimental drugs tried on this species of Ebola. And that's already ongoing. the American that's in Germany right now being treated is getting a treatment, a monoclonal antibody. Dr. Adalja, thank you so much for joining us. I think we're going to keep having you on. Hopefully, we'd like to see this under control, but I think it sounds like you think we've got a while yet to go. Yes, I think it's going to be months. Oh, gosh. All right. Months, and where are we on the curve, do you think? I think we don't even have full situational awareness. We don't actually know how big it actually is because this had lots of momentum before anybody even got there to really survey what was going on.
42:50Dr. Amish Adalja from the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security at the Bloomberg School of Public Health. He's a senior scholar there. He joins us here in the Bloomberg Interactive Brokers Studio. The Bloomberg School of Public Health is supported by Michael R. Bloomberg, founder of Bloomberg LP, the parent company of Bloomberg Radio. You can catch all of our Ebola coverage and more on the Bloomberg Terminal and at Bloomberg.com. This is the Bloomberg Business Week Daily Podcast. available on Apple, Spotify, and anywhere else you get your podcasts. Listen live weekday afternoons from 2 to 5 p.m.
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SpaceX has won a contract for more than $4 billion to build satellites to track foreign aircraft and missiles as part of President Donald Trump’s Golden Dome defensive shield.
The space-based tracking network integrates space sensors, communication systems and AI-enabled ground processing to look and alert for airborne threats from orbit, according to a US Space Force statement Friday. The US had been using ground-based sensors and military aircraft to monitor the skies, but placing detection capabilities in space could eliminate potential blind spots, the Space Force said.
The $4.16 billion award underscores SpaceX’s deepening ties to the Pentagon and its close involvement with Golden Dome, which is intended to protect the US from attacks through layered defense systems ranging from Earth to space. SpaceX is already under contract to develop prototypes of space-based interceptors for the project and is part of a multi-company software consortium building the operating layer underpinning Golden Dome, Bloomberg has reported.
On this episode, guest host Christina Ruffini and Tim Stenovec speak with:
- Sana Pashankar, Bloomberg Space Reporter
- Zack Gharib, President, Red Roof on expansion into Canada, consumer trends and travel behavior
- Woo Jin Ho, Bloomberg Intelligence Senior Hardware and Networking Analyst on On Dell Soars Most in Two Years on Outlook Fueled by AI Servers
- Dr. Amesh Adalja, Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security Bloomberg School of Public Health Senior Scholar on Ebola latest/health news roundup
- Deborah Harpur, Founder and CEO, FanClub AI on FanClub AI, a new venture building rights infrastructure for the generative AI era
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