US Regulators Investigate Tesla Door Handles

16 Sep 2025 · 43 min · 20 chapters

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In short

The episode is a Bloomberg Tech news roundup focused on AI investment, regulation, and tech-business moves. It leads with U.S. NHTSA opening an investigation into Tesla door handles: a narrow scope at 2021 Model Y (~170,000 cars) but potentially broader because Tesla’s flush handles rely on electrical power, affecting all models back to the 2012 Model S.

Key claims

incidents after loss of power (often post-crash) left people unable to open doors; the investigation could expand like prior autopilot probes.

Notable examples

recalls already tied to similar handle designs (e.g., Ford Mustang Mach-E). Next, Google plans to invest about $7B over two years in the UK to build its AI economy. ServiceNow expands in Florida with an AI institute in West Palm Beach, aiming for 850 jobs and $1.8B economic impact.

Guests

Craig Trudell (Bloomberg Global Autos editor); Lizzie Burden (Bloomberg UK correspondent); Lei Chu (AllianceBernstein CIO); Bill McDermott (ServiceNow CEO); Stephen Ross (Related Ross CEO); Sarah Kreps (Cornell Tech Policy Institute director); Peter Elstrom (Bloomberg global tech editor); Ryan Veselica (Bloomberg tech equity reporter); Mark Rober (YouTube creator, Crunch Labs founder).

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Tesla Door Handle Investigation

0:00 to 0:22

Discussion on U.S. regulators investigating Tesla door handle defects.

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Tesla Door Handle Investigation

1:41 to 3:08

Discussion on U.S. regulators investigating Tesla door handle defects.

“auto safety regulators probe Tesla over issues with door handles on certain vehicles following a Bloomberg report.”

Broader Implications of Tesla's Design

3:08 to 6:34

Exploring the potential wider impact of Tesla's door design and recalls.

“stock is higher in this Tuesday session, up almost 2%.”

Google's Investment in the UK

6:34 to 8:47

Details on Google's $7 billion investment to build AI infrastructure in the UK.

“Going back to the UK, Google will invest five billion dollars, that's six point five billion pounds.”

AI Infrastructure and Investment Trends

8:47 to 14:00

Analyzing investment trends in AI and the implications for global markets.

“Let's return to the tech deals that we're expecting to come out of that visit and the focus on AI with Lei Chu, Chief Investment Officer for Thematic Innovation Equities and Alliance Bernstein.”

Importance of Private Markets in AI

14:00 to 14:40

Explore how private markets are crucial for AI adoption and financing.

“country will take a very different approach because the budget is different.”

Importance of Private Markets in AI

15:19 to 15:41

Explore how private markets are crucial for AI adoption and financing.

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ServiceNow's AI Institute in Florida

17:36 to 22:36

Delve into ServiceNow's plan for an AI institute and job creation in Florida.

“with a new regional innovation hub, an AI institute in West Palm Beach.”

Challenges and Vision for West Palm Beach

22:36 to 28:00

Discuss the challenges and strategic vision for making West Palm Beach an AI hub.

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Trump's Lawsuit Against The New York Times

28:00 to 29:14

Discusses President Trump's lawsuit against The New York Times and its implications.

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TikTok's Future Amid US-China Relations

29:14 to 30:02

Explores the ongoing discussions regarding TikTok's operation in the US and the implications of a potential deal.

“President Trump says he'll speak with Chinese leader Xi Jinping on Friday as U.S.”

Expert Analysis on TikTok and Data Security

30:02 to 35:16

An interview with Sarah Kreps discussing the significance of the TikTok deal and national security concerns.

“And in your analysis and expertise of the relationship between the United States and China in the tech domain, how central is the success of that phone call to this happening?”

Expert Analysis on TikTok and Data Security

35:22 to 35:39

An interview with Sarah Kreps discussing the significance of the TikTok deal and national security concerns.

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Jack Ma's Involvement in Alibaba

36:54 to 37:04

Reports on Jack Ma's return to Alibaba and his renewed involvement amid changing market conditions.

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Jack Ma's Involvement in Alibaba

37:09 to 40:01

Reports on Jack Ma's return to Alibaba and his renewed involvement amid changing market conditions.

“Bloomberg's global tech editor, Peter Elstrom, joins us.”

Duolingo Facing AI Competition

40:01 to 42:00

Analyzes how AI advancements are impacting Duolingo and user perceptions of language learning.

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The Role of AI in Content Creation

42:00 to 45:40

Explore how AI tools are influencing content creation on platforms like YouTube.

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Challenges and Opportunities on YouTube

45:40 to 47:50

Discuss the challenges creators face on YouTube and the opportunities presented by AI.

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The Competitive Landscape for Creators

47:50 to 49:04

Learn about the competitive dynamics between platforms like YouTube and TikTok for creators.

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The Competitive Landscape for Creators

49:22 to 49:48

Learn about the competitive dynamics between platforms like YouTube and TikTok for creators.

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1:40Bloomberg Tech is live from coast to coast with Caroline Hyde in New York and Ed Ludlow in San Francisco. This is Bloomberg Tech coming up. U.S. auto safety regulators probe Tesla over issues with door handles on certain vehicles following a Bloomberg report. Plus, Google will invest close to$7 billion over two years in the UK to help build its AI economy. And ServiceNow expands its presence in Florida with a new regional hub. We speak with the CEO and with the developer of the site. But first, we check out what's happening in the markets. We are so close to 10 straight days of gains on the NASDAQ 100.

2:21There's a blip. We pull just slightly into the negative territory on the NASDAQ 100. only slightly, Ed. What is it? 13 points. Much anxiety as we go into the Federal Reserve policy. The decision comes tomorrow. Will we see a cut? But what about the future direction as those retail sales look pretty buoyant? Can they be as dovish in the longer term? But Ed, you're looking at perhaps what moves the markets on this exact day. Yeah. Let's get to our top story. U.S. auto safety regulators opened up an investigation into whether some Tesla vehicle doors are defective. This comes days after a Bloomberg investigation uncovered a series of incidents in which people were injured or died after they were unable to open doors when Tesla's lost power, particularly after crashes.

3:07I would note the stock is higher in this Tuesday session, up almost 2%. Bloomberg's Global Autos editor, Craig Trudell, joins us from London. Let's start with the investigation, which is a NHTSA investigation, Craig. Explain the parameters of what NHTSA is looking at and the scope of what they're looking at. Yeah, it's interesting. You know, the sort of headline information at the top of this document that NHTSA issued today refers to a pretty narrow set of vehicles. This is the 2021 Model Y. It's about 170 ,000 cars. But the issue here has the potential to be much broader because what NHTSA is looking at is Tesla's approach to its door design and the fact that its doors are reliant on electrical power in order to work.

3:58That is something that applies to all Teslas going back to the Model S that's been in production since 2012. So while Tesla is, you know, on the surface, it looks like this is a single model, a single model year. This has the potential to be something much broader. You think back to, you know, a precedent of an autopilot investigation where they were narrowly looking at how that system handled certain parameters, like how they were navigating emergency vehicles and running into, say, fire trucks or police cars. That didn't just stay narrowly focused on that one issue. They had to recall autopilot overall.

4:45It affected their vehicles in a much broader way. There is some potential for the same to play out here with this Model Y investigation. Craig, China, top regulators there have been looking at these concealed handles before already. Europe has been thinking a lot about accidents in such cases. Is it just a Tesla design? And more broadly, how are we thinking about the U.S. tackling it versus other regions? I think it's interesting because this is a design that for all of its potential flaws, at least to some degree, has been embraced and sort of copied by other manufacturers. And that's something that we included in our report last week, that a lot of electric vehicle rivals or would-be rivals to Tesla that have come onto the market over the years have kind of embraced this flush door handle design, essentially kind of innovating a door handle that maybe didn't need to be innovated.

5:43And that is something that will be very interesting for us to watch here because we also included in last week's report mention of the fact that we've already seen recalls related to the safety of door handles in, for instance, the Mustang Mach-E, the Ford SUV that is taking on the Model Y. So this has the potential to be not only a broader investigation for Tesla, but also something that NHTSA takes a closer look at across all manufacturers that have taken after Tesla from this design perspective. After NHTSA confirmed its investigation this morning, Tesla has not responded to a request for comment from Bloomberg.

6:22But we just showed, Craig, while you were speaking, the comments of Tesla's board chair, Robin Denholm, which you'll remember, Cara and I posed a question to after our original report. That's Bloomberg's Craig Trudell out of London. Thank you very much. Going back to the UK, Google will invest five billion dollars, that's six point five billion pounds. Sorry, that's six point eight billion dollars over two years into the UK to help build an AI economy in the country. The tech giant disclosed the plan just as President Trump is set to announce billions of dollars of economic deals during his visit to the UK this week.

6:54He's expected to travel with several U.S. tech leaders, including NVIDIA CEO Jensen Wang and OpenAI CEO Sam Altman. Bloomberg's U.K. correspondent Lizzie Burden joins us. And Lizzie, give us the need to know on this Alphabet deal and what else we're looking forward to. Well, as you both know, this Alphabet deal is a drop in the ocean in terms of the capex of Alphabet. But it's a big deal for the U.K. It's something that's been long in the making. The UK tech secretary is the former one. Peter Kyle is now the UK business and trade secretary, perhaps as a sign of just how important tech is to the business landscape here in the UK.

7:35But as you say, it's part of a broader suite of economic deals that we're expecting the president to announce here on his visit to Britain. We're expecting 10 billion pounds worth of deals to be announced, including a defense tech cooperation agreement. Also, partnership on nuclear. Also, bringing together the economic hubs on both sides of the Atlantic. So there's a lot at stake here for Keir Starmer. It's an unprecedented second state visit for Donald Trump here in Windsor, this 11th century castle behind me. But I have to say, this is the worst possible timing for Keir Starmer. He's just lost his UK ambassador to the US, Peter Mandelson, over his links to Jeffrey Epstein.

8:16Epstein, of course, linked to the king himself via his brother Prince Andrew and to Donald Trump. So there are going to be some very, very awkward moments, not least at the press conference at the end of the trip. For the UK, the point will be to not look like we're appeasing the president, but also to make sure that something substantive comes out from this visit, because ultimately the UK is playing its ace by deploying the king. Bloomberg's Lizzie Burden from Windsor Castle. We appreciate it. Let's return to the tech deals that we're expecting to come out of that visit and the focus on AI with Lei Chu, Chief Investment Officer for Thematic Innovation Equities and Alliance Bernstein.

8:59And more this fits into the whole array of conversation we keep having, Lei, about the need for investment in AI. We just think back to Oracle's numbers last week and how much they were showing that they've got this backlog building. We've got all the hyperscalers trying to build out. Alphabet's looking to build a data center in the UK. Are we seeing that continuing to go up and to the right at the speed that we see at the moment? Well, I think what we're seeing is actually we're hitting an inflection point in inferencing. So if you look, just broadly speaking, not just those big numbers that you quoted, but also if you look, the AI trend and the adoption and where we're seeing the step function in numbers is broadening out.

9:40So it's a broader set of companies that are starting to benefit. Whether it's the networking companies or we're seeing it in memory pricing, in storage, in hardware. So those are all signs that, you know, in terms of AI adoption, the inferencing at the edge, things are actually happening. And to me, this is a very positive sign. That means the real adoption, which will drive continued build. So if we think about it, tech innovation generally, we take step functions, right? We kind of chug along and then all of a sudden there's an inflection point and things really start to take off. And I really think we are still in the early innings of that happening and supported by all the evidence that we have seen at the micro level from the company, as well as these megatrends that you're seeing at the big macro level.

10:25The step function has already been shown in the valuations of companies. We just want to bring you some sound actually from a key investor who manages money for Peter Thiel, no less. We've been talking about how we've been looking at maybe a bubble growing in AI. Just take a listen. The AI bubble is real, and I don't think enough people talk about it. And if you were able to be an early investor in OpenAI, then congratulations, that's a great place to be. If you're coming and investing at OpenAI at a$500 billion valuation, I honestly don't know about that. So I think that is the more dominant topic that is going on, at least within Silicon Valley circles, that doesn't get talked about enough and how it shakes out, it's going to be fascinating because if you got in early, fantastic.

11:08If you're getting in today, I'm not as sure. Long time sort of managing director for the private wealth of Peter Thiel, but also with AZVC founder Jack Selby there. Are you worried about any exuberance already reflecting the valuations, even though we are at this inflection point? I think that brings an interesting point. Valuation is important. And we always said, valuation is important, but it's only related to interest in estimate revisions. So not all companies are going to succeed. There will be a lot of companies that simply put the name in their press release, and those are the ones that we say, oh, that's AI too.

11:47So it actually brings back to we have to do our due diligence. Some of them will succeed. Many of them will fail. Even if you look back to the Web 1.0, right, there were thousands of companies, but really a true few survived. and those are the leaders today. And as we look forward, I would say AI is transformative. We are early and leadership is being redefined. And that's why all the companies are rushing out to spend because it's as defensive as it is offensive. But we will find new leaders. But in the meantime, we'll also have to be prudent. Not all of them are going to succeed. And in fact, when you redefine the future of leadership, when there's a paradigm change, some of the things that we used to think that work may not work.

12:31So what is perceived to be cheap could also be more expensive than you expected. So again, it brings back to we've got to do our homework. It's easy to call everything a bubble. But underneath that, actually, there are opportunities, but there are also, you know, prudence is absolutely important. Lei, the other counterpoint to a bubble argument is that different geographies are moving at different speeds. This week exemplifies that, does it not? That you see earlier announcements for a build-out of infrastructure in the United Kingdom. Given that we haven't seen the same level of activity in Western Europe, the United Kingdom, does Alliance Bernstein change its attitude towards British equities, UK equities, European equities in that AI infrastructure supply chain?

13:21I think AI is a global phenomenon, but it's more so just tech innovation has become a crucial element in national success. So it is something that we watch closely. And I think in terms of each country, the adoption of AI, it reflects the readiness of the infrastructure, the readiness of the government. But oftentimes, it ultimately comes down to a private-public together initiative. And there will be opportunities. We've seen Sovereign being a big driver for spend. And I expect to see that continue going forward. And I also think each country will take a very different approach because the budget is different.

14:05The willingness is different. Lei, very quickly, how closely are you tracking private markets and private companies that are active here? It's very, very important for us because a big part of the AI adoptions is happening in the private market. And not to mention, if you look at these hundreds of billions of dollars, they need to be financed. And a big part of the financing is being done on the private side. So we are monitoring that trend very closely, both on the demand side and in terms of financing, which support the supply side. Lei Chu of Alliance Bernstein, great to have you back on the program.

14:41Thank you very much. Now coming up, the CEO of ServiceNow and developer Related Ross joins us to discuss efforts to turn West Palm Beach into an AI hub. Carrie, what are you looking at? I'm actually still looking at those valuations on the publicly traded side. Oracle, I mean, key player when it comes to AI infrastructure, of course, up 1.5%. This is on the back of its earnings last week, but also as the narrative around TikTok continues to unfold, will they remain a key cloud provider, an infrastructure provider? Could they even take an equity stake? We're at 1.7%. This is Bloomberg Tech.

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17:35ServiceNow is expanding its presence in Florida with a new regional innovation hub, an AI institute in West Palm Beach. The developer of the site is Related Ross, run by Stephen Ross. He's known for the Hudson Yards Redevelopment Project and, of course, ownership of the Miami Dolphins. Stephen Ross and ServiceNow CEO Bill McDermott join us now. Gentlemen, good morning. Thank you for joining us here on Bloomberg Tech. Bill, it's great to have you back on. Let's start with the ServiceNow piece. You know, in this environment, Bill, where there's such a micro focus on the talent in AI and where companies are spending resources, why does this position ServiceNow better to have this footprint in Florida?

18:19Well, there's no artificial intelligence without human intelligence, Ed. And there's no leader that can develop a project and a dream better than Stephen Ross. And you mentioned the Hudson Yards, but he also did the Time Warner Center. And we've been friends for a long time. And I always felt the trust was the ultimate human currency. and it still is, and I believed in his dream. And what I see happening here is we're building an AI institute, and in this institute we're going to have the most innovative engineers in the world. We're going to be able to prototype solutions for the public and private sector at record pace, and then we're going to move those solutions out into the market.

18:59We're also creating Knowledge University, and we're going to put the flag right here in West Palm Beach to rise up 3 million people in our economy to the AI world so they can get the better paying jobs, the creative jobs, where only humans can really excel. And I underscore we really believe it's all about putting AI to work for people because we're a job creator and we believe that AI has to be in service to people. And right here in West Palm Beach, we're role modeling that. Mr. Ross, you have a vision that West Palm Beach becomes an AI hub more than just service now. How difficult is it to convince the technology industry of your vision?

19:42And why West Palm Beach? Well, I mean, West Palm Beach is really because of Florida being the great business state it is. And knowing that South Florida is different than the rest of Florida. And it's really poised to growth and attract jobs. It's never done that before. It's always been second homes, you know, the second home to all South America, if you will. But right now, the resources of Florida, there's not a better business state. And when you look and see where people are going and the change that's occurring in this country, there's no place better positioned. So we had to really put it together to bring those things that Florida didn't have to attract business.

20:28And that's what we've been concentrating on. And fortunately now, I mean, Bill and his vision, which is second to none, really saw, at least in our opinion, in most people's opinion, but saw the possibilities and how South Florida was really different than any other place in the country. There's not a better business state in Florida to start with. So we're very fortunate. Bill, 850 jobs over the next five years, talking about$1.8 billion of economic impact. You're big on training and training people with service now. But will some of your employees move over? How much are they wanting to come to the Gold Coast?

21:11I would say we'll have 20 % of our workforce likely relocate. The demand to do that has been unbelievable. And I keep reminding people the office gets completed in 2027. So just relax. But the demand is there. I think it'll be 80 % net new jobs. You look at Florida, amazing universities across Florida. Look at our veterans. We're going to cross-train our veterans on our open AI opportunity, and they're going to get excited, and this is going to be a great place for them to grow and prosper. People that want to switch jobs and go into this industry because it's flourishing. You know, the jobs are going to get created in tech companies like ServiceNow, and we keep hiring.

21:53We're growing. we're hiring, we're prospering because the innovation is second to none. And you know something, you know this very well, Caroline and Ed. This platform connects to every cloud, it connects to every learning and every AI model, and it connects to every data source. So this will be the AI platform for business transformation. And the opportunity has never been greater than it is right now. And I'm excited to do this with my great friend, Steve, and really, really grow the company, especially in West Palm Beach for the great state of Florida. And I want to say Governor DeSantis, Mayor James, Stephen Ross, all of us work very hard behind the scenes to make this moment a reality.

22:35And Stephen, that reality is mixed use, residential, retail, office properties in this particular focus. What about data centers? Are you thinking about the future of Florida there? I know very much West Palm Beach is a place to live and to thrive. but where will your opportunities go next when it comes to technology? Well, first of all, we're just starting and really had to really develop the base for them to see the opportunities here. So we really concentrated on bringing great universities like Vanderbilt that are coming here with their business engineering tech schools. And then we had to bring in a hospital.

23:13We have Cleveland Clinic. And so we're bringing all those things that are necessary, K through 12 education, to attract companies. And that's what we've been concentrating on and working with the city, the county and the state that will really make this a place where companies really want to relocate because they can attract the best talent. Mr. Ross, thank you for that. Bill, I think a very reasonable question that your employees are going to have is whether you yourself are going to make the move to Florida and other members of leadership will make the move if you believe so much in this vision of the future for West Palm Beach.

23:49Well, you have to remember, we have a very large commitment to the state of California where we started the company in both San Diego and Santa Clara, California, which is where I'm based. But we will have executive leaders on the top management team that will be domiciled here in West Palm Beach and will be part of this amazing revolution. And I will spend a lot of time, the time, the discretionary time that I can here because I really want people to know we planted a flag today. This is a flag of opportunity, a flag of growth, and leadership starts at the top. and I've always believed that the true measure of a leader is not what you take from this world, it's what you give it.

24:32And today's service now gave it a lot. We came in here and Kelly, who runs Palm Beach County Business Development, said on stage, this is the biggest corporate move into this area in Palm Beach County in the last 30 years. I'm super proud of that and I want to make this a stunning success. So I'll be where I need to be, the leadership team will be where they need to be, but the main thing is to build a masterpiece of flywheel, of growth and innovation. I've already received several texts today on this announcement from other tech companies and systems integrators that are like, wow, what are you doing there?

25:08What's going on in West Palm? Bill, we'll see who comes on to say they're moving next. Bill McDermott, CEO of ServiceNow, Stephen Ross, CEO of Related Ross. Great to have you both. it's time now for talking tech first up amazon satellite internet venture project kuiper expects to offer service in five countries including the u.s by early 2026 it aims to compete with musk starlink and has already reached an agreement to provide onboard wi-fi for jet blue plus google well it considered selling off parts of its ad tech business to resolve monopoly charges according to a lawyer for the company now the justice department however is seeking a full divestiture of Google's advertising exchange.

25:49The two sides meet in a hearing next week.

25:58Welcome back to Bloomberg Tech. I'm taking a look at the chip sector, the Philadelphia Semiconductor Index, or SOX. We're mildly softer, down a few tenths of a percent, but earlier in the session we opened higher. And if we close in the green, that would put us on track for the ninth straight day of gains on the Sox, which is the longest streak since 2017. Stories there, I put Micron and NVIDIA. Okay, NVIDIA is down almost a percent in the moment. But year-to-date, big drivers of gains. Micron reports earning September 23rd. NVIDIA, under pressure right now, but recent momentum. And the idea, Caro, as you know, is that maybe NVIDIA is at the center of the discussions between the United States and China right now.

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26:37Will it come up on that phone call between the president and Xi Jinping on Friday? That's the question the markets aren't asking. It is. Meanwhile, the markets also looking at what President Trump is doing in terms of filing a$15 billion defamation lawsuit against the New York Times. That's greater than the newspaper's market cap. As you can currently see, the president is accusing the Times of serving as a, quote, mouthpiece for the Democrats. The New York Times said in a statement that the lawsuit, quote, has no merit and is an attempt to stifle and discourage independent reporting. Let's bring in Lee, focus for Bloomberg's media and entertainment coverage, Chris Palmieri.

27:13Chris, when you're editing stories like this, when you're thinking about driving forward the news, we have the context that this isn't the first time President Trump has sued a reporting network. Right. I mean, in terms of our work, I mean, we always try to be tough but fair to everybody. And so this has been a tactic Trump's used for years. And until he became president, really, the second time, he's not been successful in suing the media. But more recently, he has been getting settlements out of ABC and CBS and Facebook. And so he's tying this in a way to his power as president to, say, get the FCC to approve Paramount's merger with Skydance, which happened just a week or so after they settled the CBS suit with him.

28:03So, you know, he's using this. It scores with his base. If you see what his social posts have said, it's really about, hey, they're attacking me, your president. And it's a revenue generator for his presidential library foundation. And lastly, he hopes whether that's successful, not not clear at all is stifling, as the New York Times said, trying to get reporters not to write nasty stories about him. Chris, what is it specifically that the president is claiming in this suit? We say it's a$15 billion lawsuit, but what is it that he is accusing The New York Times of? You know, it's interesting compared to the ABC and CBS suits, which were really specific incidences.

28:45This is much broader. It's sort of just a whole agenda, he argues, against him and for Kamala Harris in the last election. much harder when there's no specific allegation of journalistic wrongdoing here. The New York Times said in a statement, the lawsuit has no merit and is an attempt to sifle and discourage independent reporting. Bloomberg's entertainment editor, Chris Palmieri, thank you very much. President Trump says he'll speak with Chinese leader Xi Jinping on Friday as U.S. and Chinese officials reached a framework deal on keeping the TikTok app running in the United States. Listen to this.

29:26we have a deal on tiktok i've reached a deal with china i'm going to speak to president xi on friday to confirm everything up we made a very good trade deal and i hope good for both countries but a very different deal than they've made in the past we'll be announcing that we have a group of very big companies that want to buy it that's the president speaking ahead of traveling to the united kingdom in summary saying a lot of big technology companies want to buy U.S. TikTok and that there is a deal. We'll learn more later in the week. Sarah Kreps, director of the Tech Policy Institute at Cornell University, joins us now.

30:02And Sarah, you know, news flow is one thing, but it looks like we're proceeding to a situation where a coalition of American technology companies and others will be able to keep TikTok going in the United States, but there's a big phone call on Friday. And in your analysis and expertise of the relationship between the United States and China in the tech domain, how central is the success of that phone call to this happening? I don't think that the phone call itself is going to be what this deal hinges on. My sense is that they've already established a framework through which the US part of TikTok will divest from the Chinese parent company, ByteDance.

30:46And I think Friday's call is really just to seal that deal and make an announcement. We cover this. I'm based in the United States, right, and work for an American news organization. But we always come at this from the U.S. point of the negotiating table. How do you evaluate how China feels about TikTok being able to continue in the U.S., but some concessions being made that would impact China and ByteDance? Right. I think this is, well, I think first and foremost, they would be, the Chinese have made it pretty clear they do not want to sell the algorithm, that they want to separate the platform from the algorithm because it's the algorithm that is really the secret sauce here for the whole thing.

31:32And so trying to tease those two things out, the algorithm from TikTok USA, I think, is really important to them. But then there's a lot of issue linkage going on here. There are so many aspects. So TikTok, I think, is part of a broader set of discussions on trade between the U.S. and China. And so I think this is really an important part of that, but emblematic of, I think, what it seems Trump is trying to do, which is harmonize a little bit that relationship between the U.S. and China. In terms of data, how safe, or at least from a national security perspective, how able is U.S. data to be now protected in some way from flow over to China, as Congress hopes?

32:17Right. That was the important thing for Congress, which is, well, there were two aspects for Congress, which was, one was the algorithm, which was the ability to manipulate through the algorithm. But there was always the question of data. And even without the algorithm, the data is still very powerful. As you probably remember, Cambridge Analytica never touched Facebook's algorithm. But with the raw data that they had, they built profiles of individual users, tested messages, and then micro-targeted them. And the TikTok data is even more revealing than that. So it's not just posts and likes, but watch times, rewatches, pauses, shares.

32:52All those signals are an exposure of attention span, emotional triggers, hidden interests. So whatever foreign entity would perhaps still have a backdoor to that data. And so far, I haven't seen anything on the technical side about how the U.S. and what part of the deal would address that possible backdoor access to the powerful data. Sarah, it's so interesting because all of this comes in the broader view of US-China relations, and you sit at that intersection, technology, geopolitics, national security. Is TikTok the thing that we should be that worried about when we're also looking about AI relationships?

33:35Well, it's an interesting question because, you know, and I've puzzled over why Congress, which passed this law and it was signed into law, has not really pushed back on these constant extensions. Because if this was such a national security threat, you would think it was a threat a year ago. And the 90-day extensions are just kind of perpetuating that threat. And I think part of the implicit realization is that even if you address TikTok, it's really the tip of the iceberg in all these other national security tech issues, including the AI question, which I think is just in some ways looms even larger.

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37:14Jack Ma is back. After vanishing from public eye at the outset of an antitrust investigation in late 2020, sources say China's most recognizable entrepreneur is back on Alibaba's campuses, and he's more directly involved than he's been in half a decade. Bloomberg's global tech editor, Peter Elstrom, joins us. Now, how is his hand being felt? Yeah, so Jack is back on the Alibaba campuses. We've spoken with people who have seen him on the campus. He's wearing his badge around. He's more actively involved in the operations of the company than he has been really since 2019 when he stepped down as chairman.

37:50In particular, he's been quite involved in AI, their AI initiatives, which are going quite well at Alibaba. And he's been very involved in this e-commerce fight that the company has been having with JD.com and Meituan, the biggest delivery company there. Jack is used to the days when Alibaba commanded the tech landscape within China, when they had something like 85 % of the e-commerce market. And now the competition is much more severe. So in this latest clash, where these companies are really fighting with each other over fast deliveries, deliveries within an hour, he's been encouraging them to spend lots of money, 50 billion yuan or about$7 billion on these fast delivery competitions.

38:29So he's there, he's involved in strategy, he's taking part in these discussions, and he's quite active, and he's an inspiration for employees on campus. That was part of the reporting that I found most interesting. Sources basically telling us that Jack is back, but other officials at the company are trying to explain to him that it's not the Alibaba that he knew from a market competitiveness standpoint. Do we know anything about how Jack Ma's reacted to that? you know, the new realities that he finds himself in? Right. He certainly is used to the days when Alibaba was the biggest, most valuable tech company within China.

39:06And now the landscape has changed quite a bit. Even in e-commerce, they face very, very serious competition and food delivery. Meituan is much bigger than they are. Now, Tencent is much more valuable than they are. Alibaba's stock has come back quite a bit this year. It's up about 80 percent, but it's still far, far below its peak back in 2020. It's down more than 50 % from that level. And for good reason. The company ran into a bunch of regulatory problems. Jack Moss spoke out against the regulators at the time. That was part of the reason that the company ran into trouble. They were planning on taking their finance affiliate Ant Group public at that point, and they had to pull that IPO.

39:43It still isn't public even at this point. But now he's sort of come back. He's revived his reputation and met with Xi Jinping earlier this year. So now he's given more freedom and he's participating in Canvas. And he's more than just another executive at the company. He really is an inspiration for a lot of the employees. Many of these employees never worked with him. They've been there a short enough period of time that they haven't really seen what he's been able to do. And they're looking forward to him coming back. But as you say, the business is very different. AI is much more important. E-commerce is very much a different game.

40:15They're participating and cloud computing. So there's a lot that he has to learn too. Bloomberg's Peter Elstrom on a really important piece of Bloomberg reporting about Alibaba. Thank you. Now, AI is coming for the owl. Duolingo is facing risks from multiple angles as investors reassess the impact of AI on the language learning platform. One of them, AI-powered live translation services. Bloomberg's tech equity reporter, Ryan Veselica, has the reporting. This takes me back to Apple iPhone day and the market move when AirPods Pro had simultaneous translation. You've looked at the stock. What's going on?

40:50Hey, thanks for having me. So we've seen a number of AI companies and services come out with live translation features, which is seen as a kind of competition for Duolingo. Are people going to be paying to keep learning languages when you can have AI automatically translate everything for you right away? That's a big concern. Now, the company has its own AI-first strategy, But this is an example where we have seen a real consumer backlash against this. Now, the company says it's not impacting their financials yet, but we've seen some analysts come out and talk about how this sort of consumer aversion to AI could ultimately lead to weaker user growth or other kinds of financial churn.

41:31So this is a company that is getting it kind of on both sides, both a backlash and competition from AI. In our household, it's all about chess. Bloomberg's Ryan Plastellica. Thank you very much indeed.

41:48YouTube's Made on YouTube event is underway in New York with the company unveiling new tools, of course, including plenty of AI-powered ones to help video creators. We've got one of them, one of the most successful ones, Mark Rober, former NASA engineer turned hugely popular YouTuber. And you are one of the key creators at the event. You were in Apple product design as well, but you flipped your attention back in 2011 to basically virality on YouTube and education around science in particular. How much are you adopting the AI tools? How much are your team adopting it and making your life a little easier?

42:20We've definitely got our pulse on it. We're using it a lot for like ideation and like thumbnails, I'd say is like the main, like ideating what thumbnails are. But it's like, it will be really interesting to see how consumers feel about this, right because some people do feel like it's taking you know the creator out of the loop but i think youtube's been very clear today they want a creator in the loop is what matt they don't want ai slop either so it kind of remains to be seen how the consumer feels about it interesting because for you it's maybe about a b testing titles basically maybe there's dubbing that really helps the reach when you go more global mark but when you think of vo3 and the use just not even of you as a person what do you want to put in place by youtube to ensure that slop isn't created um i think i i just trust that they're going to do this responsibly but even for me like there's an opportunity here right like i want to get people stoked about science and education and there's only you know 24 hours in a day so even for me there's you know there's an opportunity for me to scale myself and to, you know, teach more topics deeper.

43:29So, you know, we're keeping a pulse on it. I think YouTube will do a very good job of making sure it's high quality and it's additive and your feed isn't just filled with slop. That's terrible business for them, right? They don't want that to happen. People would stop using the platform. Mark, I spent a bit of time watching the Team Water video that you did, the collab with Mr. a beast, right? And, you know, hearing from some of the execs at today's event, there's lots of awesome AI stuff with VO3, but you described how you'd use it. The Teamwater project's like real video. Does it result, the AI tool, in just less real material circulating on the platform?

44:07I think it depends on the type of content, right? For like just telling stories and like fiction, you know, I think you're going to see a lot more AI adoption and people being okay with that. But, you know, at the end of the day, if, you know, Mr. Beast and I, we go to Kenya to visit a village, if that's AI, like, I got to imagine people aren't going to love that, right? So there's definitely going to be a spot for, like, real content that is actually connecting with real humans, right? And then there's a spot where I think it's going to really help with storytelling. So I think we'll see how that kind of settles out over time.

44:43Mark, what are the main challenges that you face on YouTube that were not addressed by these great generative AI tools that were put out today? I mean, for the challenges that I face, I feel like it's actually they've given me more tools than I would even use out of the gate, right? So I think they're doing a good job of getting out in front of it and giving creators the tools. And that's what YouTube does, right? That's kind of their advantage over like a Netflix. They don't have to pick the winners. They make the tools, they create the platform. And lo and behold, over time, the winners emerge.

45:17And then that's who YouTube pays, right? Through ad sets and stuff. So I think they're just following the same playbook that they've done so far that's made them so successful. Create the tools, create the platform. At the end of the day, it's all about the creators. And it's about authentic creators. And that's what helped, for example, Crunch Labs with the success of getting real products into real people's hands because people trust you. And therefore, you can help sell products. You can do the STEM toys. You can think not only about viral videos, but about curriculum, about content, about media projects that you're thinking, Mark.

45:47Will, in the end, authenticity be the thing that lends you even more success versus the sudden wall of creation that we're going to see that isn't real? Yeah, I mean, especially on YouTube, historically, authenticity is the currency. And that's kind of like what's helped me and my background at NASA and Apple. I'm an actual mechanical engineer. and you know if a TV show like Discovery Channel puts a TV show on YouTube it doesn't do very well because people want that authentic connection so I think there's probably going to be ways though to even using AI create that connection with your audience that feels authentic we're going to see how that kind of pans out but the tool is just so powerful you can do so much with it clearly there's going to be some fairly seismic shift The key is kind of observing it and kind of staying out in front and using it as a tool to further authentically, you know, connect with your audience.

46:42Mark, your story is so fascinating. The fact that, yeah, you've done all this philanthropic work of late and we saw that with Mr. Beast. But the fact that you were an Azure engineer, the fact that you were working at Apple. I mean, we're all talking about generative AI and Apple being behind the curve. What products do you want from them? Yeah, I would want an iPhone that, you know, actually is a Siri that can actually answer a question or dictate. Well, you know, that Google, it's really funny, actually. You know, it used to be the Apple events are exciting. Google's were kind of boring with like hardware and phones.

47:14And now it's sort of switched. It's like, oh, what's Google doing? Because, you know, they are, you know, ahead of the curve, at least with AI and Gemini versus Apple, who has some catching up to do. so regardless it's a very exciting time to be alive right you know i think the way we can definitely agree is that things will be changing a lot in the next three five ten years and uh we just get a you know sit by an a watch but there's others of us you know myself even you know you guys included we get to be part of like shaping what it will be and how it will turn out market it looks like tiktok in the united states will be able to continue we'll find out more this week you know in your career as a content creator focused on youtube how do you view that you know your industry faces choice right and the platforms that they can go to i think it's great i think competition's great honestly i will say most creators if you actually ask them want to move to YouTube.

48:12Like if you're big on TikTok, if you're big on Instagram, like they want to shift to YouTube because they watch out for creators the most. They pay the most. I'm not getting paid to say that. I'm just one of them. And I see this. Right. So and generally, you know, when TikTok had their short form, now YouTube has YouTube shorts. So generally, if there's a type of content that really becomes sticky, right, you know, YouTube adapts. And, you know, this AI is a great example of this, right? I think they're staying ahead of the curve and skating to where the puck is and saying like, hey, we need to make these tools available so that we don't become obsolete, which honestly, you know, YouTube is where I have 71 million subscribers.

48:50So I'm really glad that they are having that kind of attitude so that it doesn't become a tool that or a platform that people don't want to use. Right. Mark Rober, YouTube creator, founder of Crunch Labs. Really great to have you here on Bloomberg Tech. Thank you very much. That does it for this edition of Bloomberg TechCary. Do not forget to check out some of our other areas on digital, the podcast, for example. You can find it on the terminal as well as online on Apple, Spotify, and iHeart. From New York, from San Francisco, this is Bloomberg Tech. Healthcare doesn't always work great. If you've ever waited on a refill or couldn't schedule an appointment, you get it.

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