1/12/26: Trump Threatens Jerome Powell, JD Vance Attacks Ryan, Tim Dillon Sounds Off On ICE, Iran War

12 Jan 2026 · 1 h 11 min · 31 chapters

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Episode Details

  • Title: 1/12/26: Trump Threatens Jerome Powell, JD Vance Attacks Ryan, Tim Dillon Sounds Off On ICE, Iran War
  • Hosts: Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti
  • Description: Discussion on Trump's threats to Jerome Powell, JD Vance's remarks regarding an ICE incident, and Tim Dillon's comments on immigration enforcement, along with developments concerning potential conflict with Iran.

Key Themes and Discussions

  1. Trump vs. Jerome Powell
  2. Context: Tension arises as Trump threatens Fed Chair Jerome Powell amidst a Department of Justice (DOJ) investigation into Powell's conduct, particularly regarding the renovation of Federal Reserve buildings.
  3. Powell's Defense: Powell asserts that the investigation is politically motivated and not based on substantive issues with the Fed's operations. He emphasizes the Fed's need for independence from political pressure.
  4. Market Reaction: The stock market reacts negatively to these developments, indicating concerns about the Fed's independence and Trump's influence over monetary policy.
  1. JD Vance and the ICE Incident
  2. Incident Overview: The hosts discuss an incident involving an ICE agent who shot a woman named Renee Good, with JD Vance defending the agent's actions.
  3. Ryan Grimm's Counterarguments: Ryan Grimm challenges Vance's narrative, pointing out the misleading claims made regarding the events surrounding the shooting.
  4. Public Reaction: The conversation highlights the public's growing discontent with ICE and the use of excessive force, suggesting that the sentiment to abolish ICE is gaining traction.
  1. Tim Dillon's Commentary
  2. Critique of ICE: Tim Dillon, while historically supportive of stricter immigration enforcement, critiques the lack of professionalism and training among ICE agents.
  3. Response to Shooting: Dillon expresses disbelief that the agent felt threatened, suggesting alternatives could have been employed instead of shooting.
  1. Iran War Context
  2. Trump's Stance: Trump indicates that Iran has reached out to negotiate, yet he also threatens military action if certain conditions are not met.
  3. Potential Military Action: The hosts discuss the implications of Trump's aggressive stance toward Iran, especially regarding the treatment of protesters in Iran.
  4. Public and Political Sentiment: Growing hostility towards Iran among some U.S. politicians, including Lindsey Graham's enthusiasm for military action, is observed.

Key Takeaways

  • The episode illustrates the interconnectedness of U.S. political dynamics, economic policy, and international relations.
  • Krystal and Saagar provide a platform for discussing controversial topics from multiple perspectives, emphasizing independent media's role in shaping these narratives.
  • The reaction to ICE's actions and Trump's threats against Powell serves as a lens through which broader societal issues—such as police violence, economic policy, and U.S. foreign intervention—are explored.

Conclusion The episode serves as a reflection of current political tensions and societal attitudes towards law enforcement, economic governance, and international diplomacy, revealing the complexities and divisions within contemporary American discourse. ```

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Chapters

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Show Format and Upcoming Guest

2:32 to 4:00

Discussion on the show's format changes and the anticipation of Senator Chris Van Hollen's interview.

“A little bit of an unusual pairing today.”

Jerome Powell vs. Trump

4:00 to 5:50

Analysis of the conflict between Fed Chair Jerome Powell and Donald Trump regarding interest rates and legal threats.

“The DOJ is investigating Powell now for some sort of criminal malfeasance with regards to the Fed headquarters renovation.”

Market Reactions and Fed Independence

5:50 to 8:20

Exploration of the economic implications of Trump's actions against the Federal Reserve.

“It is also good for our egos, so we appreciate that, too.”

Political Repercussions of Fed Interference

8:20 to 10:00

Discussion on the political motivations behind Trump’s actions toward Powell and the Fed.

“The market moves point to reinvigorated concerns about Fed independence.”

Senate Dynamics and Fed Appointments

10:00 to 14:00

Analysis of the Senate's role in confirming Fed nominees amidst political tensions.

“Do you expect any more additional cost overruns?”

Trump's Influence on the Fed's Independence

14:00 to 15:10

Discussion on the Trump administration's potential impact on the Federal Reserve's independence.

“It is now the independence and credibility of the Department of Justice that are in question.”

Republican Senators and Wall Street Dynamics

15:10 to 16:40

Exploration of Republican senators' positions on Fed nominees amid Wall Street's interests.

“so that you can fuel this corrupt prosecution of the Fed here.”

The Case Against Unchecked Power for Trump

16:40 to 18:10

Argument against allowing unchecked financial power to a single individual, specifically Trump.

“And Black America is at a breaking point.”

Vice President's Controversial Tweet and Ryan Grimm's Response

20:00 to 22:00

Analysis of a Twitter exchange involving the Vice President and comments on a police shooting.

“And one of the ways they're handling it is apparently getting in Twitter fights with Ryan Grimm.”

J.D. Vance's Defense of the ICE Agent

22:00 to 23:20

Discussion on J.D. Vance's comments regarding the ICE agent involved in a shooting incident.

“So now here, that's the smoke from the first shot that does hit the front windshield.”
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Video Evidence and Misleading Narratives

23:20 to 25:00

Examination of video evidence in the shooting case and the narrative surrounding it.

“And so, and then the fact that there was a coordinated, immediate response on the right to say, this vindicates him, suggests that they really believe that.”

Public Reaction and Media Representation

25:00 to 27:00

The podcast discusses public perceptions and media portrayals of the shooting incident.

“and they're lesbians means they deserved it.”

The Broader Implications of Law Enforcement Actions

27:00 to 28:00

Discussion on the implications of law enforcement's actions and public safety concerns.

“OK, so by this logic, was her life in danger?”

Examining Recent Shootings and ICE Actions

28:00 to 29:49

Discussing the details and implications of a recent shooting incident involving ICE.

“I mean, the number of videos I've seen of them just randomly assaulting people.”

Debate on Law Enforcement's Use of Force

29:50 to 33:18

Analyzing the narrative surrounding police actions and public perceptions of justice.

“So yes, anyway, so Kristi Noem, again on Jake Tapper's show.”

The Dual Standards of Law Enforcement

33:19 to 36:51

Exploring the disparities in law enforcement responses based on political affiliations.

“I think there's some actually justification to be upset about Ashley Pabbit.”

J.D. Vance's Political Positioning

36:52 to 42:00

Discussing J.D. Vance's political strategies and the implications of his recent statements.

“And, you know, I don't think it'll work.”

Establishing Facts in Political Narrative

42:00 to 43:16

Explore how political figures manipulate narratives and facts to align with their base.

“false things because he wants to establish at least among the Republican base, a set of facts, which are that, I'm putting facts in quote here.”

The Concept of Domestic Terrorism

43:16 to 45:26

Discuss the definition of domestic terrorism and its implications in political discourse.

“Tom Homan, who it's worth remembering, like actually got the job, got his initial job in government under Obama was where he was really elevated.”

Legitimacy and Community Trust in Law Enforcement

45:26 to 47:38

Analyze the relationship between law enforcement and community trust, especially in immigrant communities.

“Well, they've some elements of the administration have called the Democratic Party like domestic terrorists.”

The Role of Immigration in Government Control

47:38 to 49:44

Investigate how immigration policies are used as a pretext for broader government control.

“And because of Stephen Miller's need for these kinds of images, they have now kind of flipped the entire political table against them.”

Patterns of Justification in Law Enforcement

49:44 to 52:18

Examine the tactics used by law enforcement to justify their actions in immigration enforcement.

“But, you know, when they're when they're recording videos, all this surveillance, there's new reporting out about mass surveillance systems also in the context of this immigration sweep.”

Tim Dillon's Perspective on ICE Actions

52:18 to 56:00

Hear Tim Dillon's critique of the ICE officer's actions during a controversial incident.

“Not just with him, but this seems to be a pattern in practice with ICE and with CBP going back years.”

Transitioning to Tim Dillon's Comments

56:00 to 56:12

Discussion of Tim Dillon's notable comments and stance on immigration.

“Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeart Radio app.”

Critique of ICE Agents and Law Enforcement

56:12 to 57:49

Tim Dillon critiques law enforcement training and actions taken by ICE agents.

“Let's go ahead and turn to some interesting comments from Tim Dillon.”

Examining Justification of Use of Force

57:49 to 1:02:04

Discussion on the justification of deadly force used by law enforcement officers.

“I don't believe you should ever shoot someone in the face more than once.”

Issues Within ICE and Law Enforcement Culture

1:02:04 to 1:04:49

Overview of problematic behaviors and incidents involving ICE officers.

“And I believe it was on CNN I saw an interview with a police commander who had said, he's like, for instance, I once had two officers who were shot at by a man, like who shot directly at them.”

Trump's Stance on Iran and Military Action

1:04:49 to 1:10:00

Analysis of Trump's comments on Iran, military action, and responses to protests.

“Because then the other one, they slip on the ICE, and the guy has gun discharges.”

Trump's Foreign Policy and Moral Character

1:10:00 to 1:12:02

Discussion on Trump's foreign policy implications and his moral character during his presidency.

“And, you know, the any of the like at least the neocons felt the need to like build up some sort of a case, have some sort of legitimacy with the American people.”

The Debate on Iran and Military Actions

1:12:02 to 1:14:39

Analysis of Iran's situation, potential military actions, and the consequences of Trump's decisions.

“I mean, that is the logic that we have created around the world.”

Protests in Iran: Causes and Implications

1:14:39 to 1:20:16

Exploration of the protests in Iran, their causes, and how external factors may influence them.

“But they yeah, they I mean, we haven't received even any fake reports about that.”
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2:06Hey, guys. Sagar and Crystal here. Independent media just played a truly massive role in this election, and we are so excited about what that means for the future of this show. This is the only place where you can find honest perspectives from the left and the right that simply does not exist anywhere else. So if that is something that's important to you, please go to BreakingPoints.com, become a member today, and you'll get access to our full shows, unedited, ad-free, and all put together for you every morning in your inbox. We need your help to build the future of independent news media, and we hope to see you at BreakingPoints.com.

2:39Good morning, everybody. Happy Monday. Welcome to Breaking Points. A little bit of an unusual pairing today. I don't actually remember if we've ever done this in studio together. I think we have over the years. Okay. I know we've done the show together, but maybe like remotely. But anyway, this is exciting. The real heads will have to look through the record books and try to figure it out. They'll remember better than I will. We all love the premise of the show, hearing from both sides. But sometimes you just kind of get sick of that. Sometimes you don't really want to hear from the other side.

3:08No, there is a very specific reason why it's Ryan and me today. We actually have Senator Chris Van Hollen on, which is going to change the format of the show a little bit. Ryan secured that booking. I've been really wanting to talk to Senator Van Hollen. So Sagar graciously said, hey, you guys just handle the show so that we can do all of that. So we're going to make sure to save a good bit of time to speak with the senator who has been at the forefront of any number of significant issues. He's been pushing back on Schumer. He's obviously led the charge in terms of a lot of foreign policy. He's been very courageous with regard to Gaza, with regard to Kilmar, Brego Garcia.

3:38So I want to talk to him about a whole range of issues. Also, Ryan has a weird because, of course, he does a weird personal connection with Chris Van Hollen. You want to save that for the interview? We can save it. Yeah. OK, so stick around. Other things are going to try to get through all of this in the show. We may go through these things a little bit more quickly than we normally do, because we are trying to get to that interview with Senator Van Hollen. But we have a big fight that's broken out now between the Fed chair Jerome Powell and Donald Trump. The DOJ is investigating Powell now for some sort of criminal malfeasance with regards to the Fed headquarters renovation.

4:11And Powell is firing back. So we've got our eyes on the markets. That is a massive, massive development. We'll break that down for you. We've got big developments with regard to ICE, including very own, again, Ryan Grimm, fighting with the vice president of the United States. So, well, more accurately, him fighting with you. Yeah, that's true. He picked the fight. He started it. Well, I called him psychotic. OK, that's true. That is true. But in any case. So we'll dig into that. But there are a lot more details to come out there as well. And also surging, you know, ice brutality across the entire country.

4:41We've got Tim Dillon weighing in with his thoughts on the killing of Renee Good. We've got potential war with Iran and Trump making some new comments there. And then we have that aforementioned interview with Senator Chris Van Hollen. so a lot to get into if you guys enjoy the show um please support us at breakingpoints.com and also if you cannot sign up for a premium subscription totally get it it would help us a lot if you guys subscribe to the channel so if you're watching the clips and you haven't subscribed to the channel please subscribe to the channel helps us in the algorithm we really appreciate it so yeah and supposedly youtube is starting to care again about subscriptions oh really for a long time youtube it was just a fake button that would that just like made creators feel good that, oh, I have X number of subscriptions, but they didn't care what you subscribe to.

5:24They were going to feed you what they thought would make you mad. Their algorithm would decide you had no real say about what you subscribe to or not. Supposedly, they're going back on that now. Your algorithm, their choice, you might say. What they're saying now is, okay, actually, we're going to actually start taking into account what you have affirmatively told us you're interested in. So if you tell them you're interested in this show, they'll think about showing you. They'll consider maybe serving you a few more clips. It is also good for our egos, so we appreciate that, too. That's true.

5:54All right, Ryan, you want to break down this Fed chair situation? So last night, Jerome Powell put out a, let's just roll a one here. This is Jerome Powell saying that on Friday, he was basically served with papers that Trump is trying to prosecute him. On Friday, the Department of Justice served the Federal Reserve with grand jury subpoenas, threatening a criminal indictment related to my testimony before the Senate Banking Committee last June. That testimony concerned, in part, a multi-year project to renovate historic Federal Reserve office buildings. I have deep respect for the rule of law and for accountability in our democracy.

6:34No one, certainly not the chair of the Federal Reserve, is above the law. But this unprecedented action should be seen in the broader context of the administration's threats and ongoing pressure. This new threat is not about my testimony last June or about the renovation of the Federal Reserve buildings. It is not about Congress's oversight role. The Fed, through testimony and other public disclosures, made every effort to keep Congress informed about the renovation project. Those are pretexts. The threat of criminal charges is a consequence of the Federal Reserve setting interest rates based on our best assessment of what will serve the public, rather than following the preferences of the President.

7:18This is about whether the Fed will be able to continue to set interest rates based on evidence and economic conditions, or whether instead monetary policy will be directed by political pressure or intimidation. I have served at the Federal reserve under four administrations, Republicans and Democrats alike. In every case, I have carried out my duties without political fear or favor, focused solely on our mandate of price stability and maximum employment. Public service sometimes requires standing firm in the face of threats. I will continue to do the job the Senate confirmed me to do, with integrity and a commitment to serving the American people.

8:00And the financial fallout of this, the economic fallout, I'll read just straight from the Wall Street Journal. Stock futures fell, the dollar weakened, and gold prices jumped to a record after Fed Chair Powell said President Trump was seeking to press the central bank in cutting interest rates. The market moves. Gold bugs really vindicated under this administration. If you bought gold, yes, every day you're feeling better and better. The market moves point to reinvigorated concerns about Fed independence. And it says that tech stocks are leading the crash in futures because tech stocks rely most heavily on interest rates and easy money.

8:39And so because they don't think, clearly the market doesn't think that, oh, well, he's prosecuting Powell. He's going to get exactly what he wants. Because if they thought that, then they'd be like, oh, okay, let's buy, buy, buy. But instead, they're kind of shaken by this. We were talking about this earlier. You were pointing out that this is kind of Trump airing out his grievance from last summer, where Powell kind of embarrassed him in front of the cameras when Trump likes to dress down his subordinates and loves to then just be praised by them, or they sit there silently and take it. Powell didn't do that.

9:16So let's roll. I think it's the third element here, a three. This is summer of 2025. And Tim has been with me for a long time, and you're in charge of the committee. Indeed. One of the reasons I wanted to see it was the overruns of the expenses, wanting to figure out why. Yeah. So we're taking a look, and it looks like it's about$3.1 billion. It went up a little bit, or a lot. So the$2.7 billion is now 3.1. I'm not aware of that. It just came out. I haven't heard that from anybody at the Fed. It just came out.

9:57Our notes had about 3.1 as well. 3.1, 3.2. It just came from us? Yes. I don't know who does that. You're including the Martin renovation. You just added in a third building. That's what that is. That's a third building. It's a building that's being built. It was built five years ago. We finished Martin five years ago. It's part of the overall work. It's not new. So we're going to take a look. We're going to see what's happening. And it's got a long way. Do you expect any more additional cost overruns? Don't expect them. We're ready for them. But we have a little bit of a reserve that we may use.

10:40But no, we don't. We expect to be finished in 2027. We're well along, as you can see. Nice to take these off every once in a while. OK, so the Fed did a renovation project. Trump thinks it's too expensive. Probably is. All renovation projects are. And now in order to make that case, he shows Powell this letter. Powell figures out immediately, you just threw in another building. You just added in this other building that was completed years ago. I'm not a developer, but if you add in another building, that does increase the cost. That's true. That you can put on a piece of paper. That's my understanding of how this works as well.

11:20Well, and so there's both. So, I mean, obviously, government agencies go over budget all the time. Renovations go over budget all the time. What makes this a even theoretical crime? They're investigating whether he lied to Congress about the possible cost overruns. And so, you know, there's the political aspect of this. The retribution campaign, obviously, Powell is not the first for Trump to try to go after. It has not been that successful yet, which I think is something that we should all be heartened by. They've tried to gin up these mortgage fraud claims against Letitia James and others. Those have not really gone anywhere.

11:55A bunch of these things have gotten thrown on a court. Now they're going after Letitia James again. This time they're investigating something to do with her hairdresser. I mean, very obviously, this is not about going after like, oh, we've got to find the worst criminals and the worst malfeasance and go after those people. They're pardoning. They're looking to go after Trump's political enemies. It is incredibly overt. It is the sort of thing that in any other time in any other administration would be a massive front page scandal for weeks, if not months, if not years. I still remember the whole thing about the IRS allegedly targeting Tea Party groups and not being independent and all of that.

12:33and that, what was it, a conversation between Clinton and who was it at the time, who was attorney general? I mean, these things were like massive scandals. And now it's just out in the open. Trump sees the DOJ as his personal weapon of political retribution. He's mad at Powell because he wasn't sufficiently slavish in that exchange. And most critically, because he hasn't done what Trump wants him to do with regard to interest rates. So there's that piece. And then of course, there's the financial piece. So the Fed is supposed to be independent from the executive. Now, I think there is an argument to be made over whether that is the correct structure or not.

13:08However, if in my opinion, Trump is pushing me more in the other direction, I was more open to it before. Now I'm like, do I want Donald Trump to be setting the monetary policy and the interest rates? No, I do not. No, I do not want that situation. And, you know, I don't think that Wall Street is excited about that possibility either, which is why you see this this market crash. The other thing, Ryan, is like Powell's term is up in May. You only have to wait this. Like it's a few more months. Right. What are you doing? Why now? But so and I think that's where you're flagging of this, you know, this moment that they exchange and just him sort of like hating Powell personally, where that really comes into the mix as well, because he's going to be able to have his person, his like toady loyalist who's going to be vetted for, you know, his willingness to do whatever Trump wants him to do in a matter of months.

13:58Very likely. This, if anything, throws a wrench into his ability to get that person to put A2 up on the screen. Tom Tillis, who is a Republican, but he's retiring, Republican representing North Carolina, says, if there's any remaining doubt whether advisers within the Trump administration are actively pushing to end the independence of the Fed, there should be now none. It is now the independence and credibility of the Department of Justice that are in question. And this is the critical part. I will oppose the confirmation of any nominee for the Fed, including the upcoming Fed chair vacancy, until this legal matter is fully resolved.

14:32So you now have at least one Republican saying, I am not going along with anyone until this whole thing is put to bed. And why this matters is that he's on the Senate Banking Committee, where the Fed appointees would have to go. So is Chris Van Hollen. We could ask him about the dynamics there when he's here later. But that means that if he votes no, because Republicans have a two-seat majority there, that's a deadlocked vote. So then to get him onto the floor, you'd have to basically have a floor fight to pull him out of committee and go against the committee, which then puts people like Susan Collins, who's running in a competitive seat in Maine in a tough spot, because it's now like, are you going to go against a Republican on the banking committee so that you can fuel this corrupt prosecution of the Fed here.

15:20So it puts somebody like a Collins in a very difficult situation, or even Ricketts in Nebraska who's facing Osborne. And too, by the way, also many of these senators are very tied into Wall Street that is not happy about these moves. So they're at odds between Trump's desires and the desires of their money. Yes, right. Right. There is this this is one of those places where Wall Street, the Wall Street wing of the Republican Party is like, bro, what are you doing? And, yeah, I'm with you in this sense that I've always believed that there should be more Democratic control around the Fed. This is not this is not Democratic control, though.

16:00No, this is this is control of a monarch. Right. And you could imagine like the Fed has all of these different windows that where they lend overnight to like if Trump was. You know, Trump does understand lending and interest rates because that's how he like has made his career, like just basically playing games with cash flow and interest rates and bankruptcy laws. He could go in there and be like, OK, this bank, let's let's lend to them at point two five. These guys at point two four. How do you get down to point two oh? Well, Trump organization, you know, has a little Bitcoin sale going on, you know, pump some money in there.

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19:17It's time to rebuild. Who your MVP right now then? Drake May up there. Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford. Where the hell both nicks at? He ain't too far behind. He did all this talking. What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy. Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapons. Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation. In what conversation? MVP? MVP. Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or whatever you get your podcast. I wanted to get to the very latest with regard to the killing of Renee Good and the fallout from that, the way the administration is handling it.

20:00And one of the ways they're handling it is apparently getting in Twitter fights with Ryan Grimm. Let's put B1 up on the screen here. This is the vice president. Now, imagine you are vice president of the United States. And no offense, Ryan. I agree. I don't think that this would be how I'm spending my time personally. So anyway, Ryan said something I think is objectively correct. He said that the vice president was genuinely psychotic, innocent. He shot an unarmed woman twice through a side window and then called her an effing bitch, let her bleed out and fled the scene. So this is in reaction to J.D.

20:35Vance, you know, completely venerating the ICE agent who called him innocent, who killed Renee Good. And J.D. Vance replies, these people, meaning you, are incapable of not lying about this. side window question mark you can see the photos of the car with bullet holes the shots came from the front of the car because that's where the officer was standing when he was hit by the car he is allowed to discharge his weapon in self-defense ryan it's interesting your response it's interesting to go through there and and count the number of just falsehoods in it in his in his claim that you're lying the number of lies yes like holes is a lie there's only one hole bullets is is a lie um standing in front of the car is is a lie and that he's allowed to discharge his weapon in self-defense is is generally true but not in the circumstances that he put himself in he it was self-created risk um hit by the car does not appear to be true oh and hit by the i would lost lost count of all the incorrect like assertions in that thing uh if we can put up the this the photo next to show like if you really don't believe me you put up b23 here so this is an image of this is one of the frames this is before he has fired his first shot mj kindly circled in turn mj kindly circled the legs there so for people who are confused it's hard because the fact that the other guy's silhouette is like blocking the other dude this would be open and shut across the spectrum if that other guy wasn't there and you could see him.

22:16So now here, that's the smoke from the first shot that does hit the front windshield. But notice where his legs were. And look where that shot is. Okay, that is the front furthest corner of the windshield, which is not actually what you would hit if you were standing in front of the car. Right, right. And so the fact that you can see his legs means that he was not in front of the car. If he was in front of the car, you wouldn't be able to see his legs. Now, what started this was J.D. Vance had said, quote, what the press has done in lying about this innocent law enforcement officer is disgusting.

22:53You should all be ashamed of yourselves. And he said that in response to the video that came from the officer's phone. which we noticed early on. We're like, wait a minute, is that a phone in his hand? Like, is he actually filming? Turns out he was filming. It was leaked to Alpha News, which is a publication that has ties, has close contacts with like police unions in Minnesota. And so, and then the fact that there was a coordinated, immediate response on the right to say, this vindicates him, suggests that they really believe that. Like they put this footage out. And so let's, we can roll this footage.

23:37This is the footage that J.D. Vance was responding to. So here he is. He gets out of his car here. You can see the dog in the car. You can see the dog in the car. He's circling around. And then he comes around the side. And I think this image right here is what the right was seizing on. They're like, look, she's a liberal. Look at her face. You can tell she's a liberal. We told you she was a liberal. She deserved it. So now what he has here, he's gotten her license. So he has no reason to keep her at the scene or anything else. He now switches hands. He moves his phone from his right hand to his left hand.

24:16So now you see her turn to the right. You see that? You saw her. Now he shoots her. And then he calls her an F &B. So you saw her turning the wheel to the right. That means he saw her turning the wheel to the right. his feet are on the side of the car. He then shoots her once through the front windshield, twice through the side window. J.D. Vance sees that and just completely lies about what's in it. They seem to, I think you're correct, that the real thing that they find to be vindicating here is that these are liberal lesbian women. And so for - Or that case closed. For a rabid online movement, movement, like the new right online edgelords, the fact that they look like they're liberal and they're lesbians means they deserved it.

25:09And that is the real, I think that is the primary point of the video. And you've got the one woman, her wife, Renee's wife, who's there sassing the officer, basically fat shaming him. And did they bleep out her saying that she was a veteran or something? I don't know. And I think that's worth mentioning too, is like this, we have no way of knowing if this was edited in any way also to make this as favorable as possible for him but then the other thing that they seized on is you know at the end when he fires the shots the phone kind of goes and they act like that's definitive that he gets hit even though the video does not show that at all and in fact we have much clearer videos we showed one on the uh the show on on friday and new york times did an analysis wall street journal did an analysis that found, no, he actually wasn't even grazed by the car.

25:55He was to the side of the car. He was not hit by the car. But because the phone kind of like goes crazy in that moment, they, oh, he got hit. I saw someone, oh, he got hit and he got hit hard. This proves that conclusively. It's like, it literally doesn't. And it makes you feel like you're going crazy when you watch these videos. And it is so clear what is going on here. Like she was trying to leave. Now you may say she shouldn't have done that. There's also, it's also very clear she was receiving contradictory orders at that point. So it was impossible for her to comply. So in any case, you could say she didn't do the right thing by trying to leave the scene.

26:32Does that justify her getting shot in the face three times? You know, we've seen now multiple videos of protesters who position themselves in front of ICE vehicles, including you brought this up on the show, or actually Emily brought it up and then you were challenging her on it, Kat Abogazela, who's a congressional candidate in Chicago, where, you know, they're trying to prosecute her because she was part of a group that was trying to stand in front of an ICE vehicle and they're getting pushed by that ICE vehicle. OK, so by this logic, was her life in danger? Was she justified to, you know, if she had a weapon, pull out and shoot the ICE agent driving the car in the face?

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27:09Of course not. Like anyone would look at that and say that's absolutely insane. Not to mention, it wouldn't even solve the problem because the car would then keep going. Now you have what I saw one law enforcement, I think retired law enforcement agent said, then you have an unguided missile. Then that creates other safety. Imagine there's children playing this. Imagine there's other people around and you have now this car careening with a dead person at the wheel. So the whole thing and the approach to it, the immediate tagging of her as a domestic terrorist and the not just the defense of, but the the veneration of this officer and the comments from J.D.

27:53Vance that ICE agents have like him have absolute immunity. You know, we are already seeing them sort of taking and running with that. I mean, the number of videos I've seen of them just randomly assaulting people. We had another shooting in Portland. We still don't know the details of that. Two people were shot there. The government story is already not adding up with regards to the details that have come out there. So, you know, the willingness to just completely deny reality is something that is very hard for me to grapple with. It is. It's very tough. And Kristi Noem has really led the way in that with her initial press conference where she basically said she implied that he was dragged by the car.

28:31She said just before we play this clip, she said one of the vehicles, the ICE vehicles, became stuck and ensnared in the snow. No sign of that in any of the videos we've seen. Law enforcement were attempting to push out this vehicle. Have you seen any of that? No, we've seen no video of that. When a mob of agitators that were harassing them all day, again, we know she had just dropped her kid off at preschool or at school, began blocking them in, shouting at them, and impeding law enforcement operations. ICE officers and agents approached the vehicle of the individual in question who was blocking the officers We saw her wave them by, by the way, roadway.

29:08They could have gone by. And with her vehicle. And she'd been stalking and peening their work all throughout the day. ICE agents repeatedly ordered her to get out of the car and to stop obstructing law enforcement. She refused to obey their commands. She then proceeded to weaponize her vehicle, and she attempted to run a law enforcement officer over. That's what she had said. And let's go ahead and play. So, Jake Tapper. And just real quick before you go to that. Because there's this debate about whether or not she was, quote, unquote, stalking them, which doesn't change anything about whether or not it's justified in shooting her right the shooting was at 9 35 a.m and we know for sure she dropped they dropped the kid off at school i don't know exactly when school started anybody who was watching this either has kids in school or has gone to school themselves it's it's not that much before 9 35 like there's no like even if it even it's one of these early starting schools at like 750 or something like that that at most would give them 90 minutes to be following them around but that doesn't remotely appear to be the case like yes there it looks like a couple of minutes like this was like this was activism of opportunity they're like coming home from dropping the kid off and they see this is the neighborhood they live blocks away and so they're like let's get out and like let's let's protest this like that so this is not like some like antifa trained situation where they've been stalking them all day long.

30:28Again, 9.35 a.m. is when this is happening. So yes, anyway, so Kristi Noem, again on Jake Tapper's show. Why did you not wait for an investigation before making your comments? Everything that I've said has been proven to be factual and the truth. This administration wants to operate in transparency. I have the responsibility as the Secretary of Homeland Security to know this information as soon as possible. Had just been in Minneapolis the day before, had already had conversations with officers on the ground and supervisors and knew the facts and decided that the department and the people of this country deserve to know the truth of the situation of what had unfolded in Minneapolis.

31:08With all due respect, Secretary, the first thing you said was, quote, what happened was our ICE officers were out in an enforcement action. They got stuck in the snow because of the adverse weather that is in Minneapolis. They were attempting to push out their vehicle and a woman attacked them and those surrounding them and attempted to run them over and ram them with her vehicle. That's not what happened. We all saw what happened. It absolutely is what happened. Those officers had been out on enforcement action. A vehicle had been stuck. They had come to help get that vehicle out. That's when this individual started blocking traffic for minutes and minutes.

31:41You said that the woman attacked them and surrounded them and attempted to run them over and ram them with their vehicle. Blocked the road for a long time and was yelling at them and impeding a federal law enforcement investigation she should have responded i'm not so sure i agree with your police work there a little it's so weird having a fargo character as part of this whole thing like what happened to the whole northwest nice thing or the like not with the the puppy killer like yeah this is what happened yeah that is what happened like we can see the video we saw it you know i mean and that's the point is like they i think I think it is the message they want to go out to all to all of America and especially to ICE and CBP and all of these, you know, federal agents and their kitted out gear who've been searched into various cities is that we will make shit up on your behalf.

32:35We will completely lie. You can do whatever you want and we will defend it in an like humiliating and embarrassing way in a way that is completely disconnected from reality. It doesn't matter if there's a video. It doesn't matter if People can see with their own eyes that something completely different happened. We will go to the mat for you and we will lie on your behalf publicly and repeatedly. And I think, you know, so it's not an accident that this is the way they approach it. The other thing here is Tapper asked, you know, made a comparison between people who actually beat up police officers on January 6th and were pardoned by this president versus this woman.

33:14And I think many people, myself included, pointed out like, OK, so, you know, you guys were very upset about Ashley Pabbit. I think there's some actually justification to be upset about Ashley Pabbit. Would it have been justified for many other protesters, rioters on January 6th who have been killed by the cops there who were actually getting beaten and violently threatened? Let's go and take a listen to Tapper make that comparison with her.

33:45Those are law enforcement officers being physically attacked. By this standard, would any of those officers be justified in shooting and killing the people causing them physical harm? Every single situation is going to rely on the situation those officers are on. That they know that when people are putting hands on them, when they are using weapons against them, when they are physically harming them, that they have the authority to arrest those individuals. The president pardoned every single one of those people. and make sure that they're getting justice for their actions going forward. President Trump pardoned every single one of those people.

34:19And every single one of these investigations comes in the full context of the situation on the ground. And that's one thing that President Trump has been so focused on, is making sure that when we're out there, we don't pick and choose which situations are in which laws are enforced and which ones aren't. Every single one of them is being enforced under the Trump administration. And the clarity of the law stands. And if people don't like it, these members of Congress and elected officials should go change the law and make sure they have that debate and policy change. I just showed you video of people attacking law enforcement officers.

34:54Undisputed proof, undisputed evidence. And I just said President Trump pardoned all of them. And you said that President Trump is enforcing all the laws equally. It's just not true. There's a different standard for law enforcement officials being attacked if they're being attacked by Trump supporters. We just saw that. This individual and these instances and these investigations all have to be taken and done and done correctly in context of every situation that is happening on the ground. I mean, the whole thing is just in-group versus out-group. And it's deeply un-American. And the idea is supposed to be, not that we've ever lived up to it, but there's one standard of justice for all, right?

35:33They don't accept that. They genuinely don't. And that's where you clued in on the video that they were so excited to share. what they wanted you to get is this is the out group. So they deserved it. Right. Whereas January 6th rioters, some of whom were actually assaulting police. Well, that's the in group. So it's totally different. And, you know, that's what Trump's pardon schemes. That's what what that's about as well. Like, oh, well, they're on my team now. So, you know, even though you may have been a former president who actually was involved in narco trafficking, a quote unquote narco terrorist, since that's the term of art now.

36:06Doesn't matter because you're on our team. So you can do - He was a Bitcoin bro. Yeah, you can do, yeah, you're close with Peter Thiel and whatever. So you can do whatever you want. And, you know, and there is, he has said himself, like he claims the powers of the monarch, that the only limits to his power are, his own morality is the quote. So they don't accept the idea that there should be one standard of justice. They want to rip that apart. They want to change that in the minds of the American public. And I think you have to say, with regard to their own base, they have accomplished that. Now, look, everybody is guilty on some level of hypocrisy, right?

36:45There's a lot of tribal thinking and partisan brain. There's no doubt about that, that that is something that happens across the board. This is really something different in terms of the weaponization, the use of the federal government to try to codify and to actualize a reality where all that matters is whether you're on the in group or in the out group. And, you know, I don't think it'll work. I think people are disgusted by it. I'd actually be curious for your take on, you know, how do you how you think this is going, like for J.D. Vance and his presidential ambitions. But they've convinced themselves that this is a strong place politically to stand.

37:23I don't think, you know, it couldn't be further from the truth. Welcome to the A-Building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. have both been assassinated, and Black America is out of breaking point. Rioting and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's alma mater, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in Black history, Martin Luther King Sr. and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. to be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people were dying.

38:021968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should. And it will blow your mind. Listen to The A Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This show contains information subject to, but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man? This your boy, Nav Green, from the Broken Play Podcast. Look, it's the end of the season. The playoffs are here. But guess what?

38:42It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Not a team who ain't going to the playoff. They're Chiefs. Oh, it's a wrap. It's time to rebuild. Who your MVP right now then? Drake May up there. Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford. Where the hell both nicks at? He ain't too far behind. He did all this talking. What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy. Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapons. Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation.

39:17In what conversation? MVP. He should be in it. Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or whatever you get your podcast. This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather. It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea. In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune. It was hard to wrap your head around. It was nature and trees and praying and drugs. So no, I am not your guru. And back then, I lied to my parents, I lied to police, I lied to everybody. There were years right where I could not say your name.

39:57I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can, to try to find out what actually happened. Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend? They have had this case for 30 years. I'll teach you sons of bitches to come around here and my wife. Boom, boom. This is The Red Weather. Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Abolish ICE, which used to be sort of a fringe sentiment, is creeping up on a majoritarian position.

40:35Yeah, and the overwhelming majority of Americans say that they use way too much force and they're out of control because they can see these videos and say, this is insane, right? I mean, as much criticism as I've had for local police, I was like, you would never see them behaving in this completely, like just routinely in every situation, totally insane and illegal manner. Yeah, I think it is J.D. Vance tying himself unnecessarily even, like he didn't have to jump in here, to the least popular elements of this version of Trumpism or MAGAism like that. So I think it's extremely damaging to him.

41:11I think clearly AOC, who I don't think will be his opponent this time, but maybe 2032 more likely. You've seen her kind of say like the difference between me and J.D. Vance is I don't think that the American people should be shot in the face. Like it's like how did you wind up positioning yourself in defense of this guy, calling him innocent, saying he should be thanked for what he did when the entire country like saw what he did? Yeah. Um, so yeah, I think it's actually extraordinarily dangerous for him politically. Like I think he, and I think he, I think he recognizes that he's a bit impulsive.

41:53Uh, he posts too much. Um, but now, and now he's out there and I think that's why he's saying just completely false things because he wants to establish at least among the Republican base, a set of facts, which are that, I'm putting facts in quote here. And the facts he wants to establish are this guy was hit by the car and that he and the bullets came through the front windshield. Like he needs he wants those, quote unquote, facts to be established. And then he wants to show you that grainy, sped up video that they've been circulating. Yeah. Which if you if that's all you saw, you'd be like, oh, it does kind of look like he gets bumped.

42:31Right. In that footage. Right. Then if you watch it in the regular speed and you watch it in context with the other video, you're like, oh, he didn't get hit. Well, I don't think he really cares about what facts he establishes. I think he wants the like white nationalist griper part of the base to forgive him for having an Indian wife. And and this is his not going to work. It's not going to happen. This is his attempt to convince them that he's one of them. He's one of them. That he will go full fascist, that he's all in on the race war, that he will lie on behalf of the regime. Like, he wants to convince them that he is one of the good ones and he is not actually a race traitor.

43:11And, you know, I don't think that is ever going to work out for him, but he doesn't seem to have figured that out. This next piece, I think, is important. Tom Homan, who it's worth remembering, like actually got the job, got his initial job in government under Obama was where he was really elevated. His initial reaction after this happened was kind of like the normal reaction you might expect where he was like, we should have an investigation. Right. Not going to say anything about this until the investigation plays out. And Tom Homan is a disgusting, psychopathic cretin. OK. But even he was like, we should have an investigation and then we'll see.

43:46He has since shifted his tone as he's picked up on what this administration, this regime, expects him to do. He got asked about this question of, do you think she's a domestic terrorist? Let's go ahead and take a listen to this because I think this is an important piece. Is anyone who protests ICE a domestic terrorist in the eyes of the administration? I can't say that. It's a case-by-case basis. But if you look up the definition of terrorism, is there violence? Is there a threat of violence based on an ideology that wants to change the way the government does what we do? Look at the definition of terrorism.

44:22But was Secretary Noem correct to label her a domestic terrorist, Mr. Homan? Look, we don't know what, I don't know what Secretary Noem knows and what I know. I can tell you is what they did is illegal. And if you look up the definition of terrorism, it certainly could fall within that definition. If you look at the definition of terrorism. But you don't have evidence. Pardon? You don't have evidence that she's a domestic terrorist. I don't know what secretary has that I don't. I'm not going to judge what the secretary says. But if you look up the definition of terrorism, it certainly can fall within that.

44:53So, Ryan, he says if you look up the definition and true enough, if you look up the definition as offered by this government, he's probably right. And he says something else that's like she has an ideology that wants to change how we do what we do. isn't i mean aren't we allowed to have an opinion about how the government but in their opinion they think no and this is where ken klippenstein's reporting about nspm 7 comes in they genuinely want to define any protesters like anyone who does disagree with how they do what they do they think that's illegitimate they think we won the election we get to do whatever the fuck we want and you don't get to really say anything and if you do do step out of line in any way yeah we we think you should be put in this category of domestic terror.

45:40So I think in their minds, and according to the definition, which, you know, the definition of terrorism is sort of like always fake and made up and extremely political by their definition, they genuinely see her that way. Well, they've some elements of the administration have called the Democratic Party like domestic terrorists. That's right. Yeah, that's exactly right. They don't think that opposition is legitimate. Even the incredibly weak, barely existent opposition offered by the Democratic Party, they find that to be too much. And what they have managed to do is create actual opposition.

46:12If you've been watching this show, you've noticed over the kind of first year of the Trump administration, and Trump himself even commented on this, he said, wow, I thought there'd be more opposition to me. But the opposition is basically just rolled over. And that was that was more or less the case other than like Chris Van Hollen going down to El Salvador and a few like cases here and there, the party was just flat on its back. And so were a lot of activist groups. Now, because of them constantly poking this bear, people are actually starting to rise up and put up B7 here. So it's not just that people are now coming out in the streets of Minneapolis and confronting ICE wherever they find themselves.

46:55You know, they try to go to the bathroom at Target and they just get yelled at the entire way in and the entire way out. They have lost all legitimacy within the cities where they're trying to operate. And now states, Democratic states, are trying to figure out different ways that they can set themselves up in an adversarial posture to ICE. And they're seeing that the polling is against ICE and with opposition to ICE. So the Trump administration came in with the administration flat on its back and with public opinion on their side when it came to kind of reversing Biden's immigration policies.

47:38And because of Stephen Miller's need for these kinds of images, they have now kind of flipped the entire political table against them. Yeah. Well, and I think that point about legitimacy is very important because if you talk to law enforcement officers, I mean, you will not be able to operate effectively. You have to have some consent from the local community. And that's actually what sanctuary city policies are about. Because the idea is if there's no trust with local law enforcement, you know, in immigrant communities where you have a lot of mixed status families, where you have a significant number of undocumented immigrants, you're going to have more rampant crime because people are not going to talk to the local cops about what's going on.

48:16They're not going to assist in investigations. And so that is part of the rationale. And there's a lot, you know, there are studies that bear this out. It's a public safety rationale behind sanctuary city policies. But yeah, I mean, if you go into Minneapolis and everyone there hates your guts and are chasing around with whistles to alert everyone to you're in the neighborhood and this is what's going on, you're going to have a lot harder time actually operating. I mean, Obama earned his moniker to porter in chief, did it in a much. I mean, I don't support it. I think he did also things that were cruel, although not anything approaching this level of just like mass thugs, jackbooted thugs in the street insanity with the largest law enforcement budget of anywhere of any time.

49:01But he was very efficient in what he was. He was actually much more effective in particular at getting the quote unquote worst of the worst, which is what they're supposed to be going after, because they actually put investigatory resources towards focusing and prosecutorial resources towards focusing on criminals, first and foremost, and prioritizing them. So, you know, the goal here is not actually to sweep up the most number of immigrants possible. The goal is this show of force and not just to scare immigrants, to scare anyone who would oppose this government. That's what this is actually about.

49:37It's, you know, immigration is obviously part of it. And those are the people who are most in the sights of these mass thugs in the streets and of this administration in general. But, you know, when they're when they're recording videos, all this surveillance, there's new reporting out about mass surveillance systems also in the context of this immigration sweep. That is not just targeted at immigrants. It's certainly not just targeted undocumented undocumented immigrants. This is about this is about all of us. This is about the way the very quite like radical and revolutionary, very negative sense, in my opinion, way that they want this country to be in this country to operate.

50:15So when you put together the largest law enforcement agency by budget in history with now Trump asking for one point five trillion dollar defense budget. I mean, you get the sense of they really want to concentrate taxpayer resources in a police surveillance and military state. That is the direction that they're pushing things in. And immigration is the pretext for the buildup of that capacity. Right. And the other way that the federal government could have gone about this is to say that this may have been a crime and we're going to investigate it. The officer's going on leave. They have instead, you know, squarely positioned themselves on the other side and put up B8, the Daily Mail reporting that a bunch of masked ICE agents were photographed removing a whole bunch of stuff.

51:01Yeah, and I don't know if we know if they're ICE or FBI. I think the theory is that this is actually FBI removing a bunch of stuff from Jonathan Ross's house. He appears to have fled with his family. And so, you know, is this evidence? Is it just his belongings that he wasn't able to grab and they're, you know, helping him out? But the FBI has now blocked state and local officials from being involved in the investigation at all. And, you know, I don't think that they care that it is blatantly appears to be a cover up after the everybody from the president down to the vice for everybody involved has already said, no, he's innocent.

51:43Like there's no one even if they hadn't done that. I don't think anyone would have confidence that Cash Patel's FBI is going to do like a straightforward bang up, unbiased job in any of this. But, you know, it's clear what conclusion they have already made. They have no interest in actually gathering the facts. There are enough facts available, I think, to all of us already to see that this was, you know, this was not justified in any way. I mean, he put himself in front of that car, which in and of itself, that office is called officer created jeopardy. Like you're trained not to do that. And yet not just with him.

52:15It strips you of your defense. And it strips you of your defense. That's exactly right. Not just with him, but this seems to be a pattern in practice with ICE and with CBP going back years. There's a 2014 article that's circulating now about how they do this, how they put themselves intentionally in danger in order to justify using deadly force. Yeah. And so we put up B9 here. This is, you know, the tensions are continuing to escalate. Here you have the guy pointing, you know, first he points his like riot control weapon at the person and then pulls a gun out and puts it right in the person's face.

52:59Just utterly provocative in a way that seems designed to kind of increase tensions. Yes. Welcome to the A-Building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. had both been assassinated. And Black America was at a breaking point. Rioting and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's alma mater, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in Black history, Martin Luther King Sr. and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution, I mean, people were dying.

53:451968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should. And it will blow your mind. Listen to The A-Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather. It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea. In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune. It was hard to wrap your head around. It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

54:29So no, I am not your guru. And back then, I lied to my parents. I lied to police. I lied to everybody. There were years right where I could not say your name. I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, to interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened. Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend? They have had this case for 30 years. I'll teach you sons of to come around here and my wife. Boom, boom. This is The Red Weather. Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

55:11This show contains information subject to, but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man? This your boy, Nav Green, from the Broken Play Podcast. Look, it's the end of the season. The playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Not a team who ain't going to the playoffs. The Chiefs. Oh, it's a wrap. It's time to rebuild. Still, who your MVP right now then? Drake May up there. Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford.

55:46Where the hell both nicks at? He ain't too far behind. He did all this talking. What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy. Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapon. Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation. In what conversation? MVP. He should be in it. Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Let's go ahead and turn to some interesting comments from Tim Dillon. And, you know, I find what he says noteworthy because obviously he was a supporter of this administration.

56:22He is an immigration restrictionist. I listened to this whole thing, by the way. It is he he does his classic like sort of both sides of stuff. But the clips that have gone viral are where he's not backing up the administration in this really at all. let's go ahead and take a listen to Tim Dillon talking about how he does not think that this officer feared for his life in that moment now I don't believe from the angle I'm watching that the federal officer feared for his life at the speed she's going when she's turning the wheel I don't believe that the federal officer feared for his life he could have shot the tires they could have done other things this this idea that everyone just they have to just shoot them in the head so he says i do not believe this officer feared for his life he goes on to um really go after the ice agents for their lack of training now with this guy that's no excuse because i think he'd been involved i saw like 19 years he's been you know icbp whatever um involved in some way and uh again we'll talk about it on the other side but in any case he also goes after the ICE agents for their lack of training and professionalism, let's say.

57:37Let's take a listen to that. I don't believe the cop was justified in shooting her three times in the face. By the way, I've always believed this. And this is something that I've caught heat for, but I've literally believed it since I'm a kid. I don't believe you should ever shoot someone in the face more than once. No, seriously, I think, I just think it's ridiculous. so that they did that and they, you know, the guy, these are not well-trained law enforcement people in ICE right now. We're taking people that did backyard wrestling. I mean, we are the people that are in ICE right now are, I mean, this is your cousin who, like, was in backyard wrestling.

58:29Like, this is tough. this is not the cream of the crop. You know the guys that kidnap Maduro, like Delta Force, Navy SEALs? This is not them. This is not the Delta Force Navy SEAL people. This is people that like had, this is people in their third grade report card that teacher wrote that has violent tendencies. I saw one of the Chapo guys said that this was like a war of the unemployable versus the employed. And I thought that kind of nailed it too. But, you know, this guy doesn't have that excuse. And in a sense, I think it's a little bit of a and I would soccer and I in our very lengthy debate talk some about the training as well, which is obviously an issue when you turn loose a bunch of like thugs who have watched this sort of stuff and been like, that's what I want to do.

59:17And you give them 47 in honor of our great president days of training. And there's reports coming out saying that many of them can like barely read and write. and you just turn them loose and have the vice president say, you have absolute immunity. Like that is a problem. That is definitely a problem. But I also think in a sense, the training, like the fact that this man has been on the job for years, for like many years, I think in a sense the training is also the problem because clearly, again, the way he operated here, it's not just him. It's not just him that's recording with the iPhone, right?

59:51There's pressure both for surveillance reasons and also for content creation reasons to be recording all these interactions and hope that you get on the next viral hype reel, right? The moving around the front of the vehicle, now by the time the shots are fired, he's to the side of the vehicle, but walking in front of a vehicle with the engine on is directly contradictory to what any local law enforcement, I mean, they have years and years and years, decades of training, like data of how it goes and how you're supposed to approach in a situation where you've got a vehicle where the engine is on.

1:00:25And that is contrary to any of those training books. Yet what you see is many, this is done, the same maneuver is used in many, many instances where they try to block in the vehicle with their body and put themselves into that jeopardy so that they can then justify more aggressive and in this case, deadly tactics. So I don't think the problem was that he didn't know what he was doing. I think he knew exactly what he was doing because you can see in that video, you know, when he switches the camera phone from his right to his left so that he's got his, you know, his trigger trigger finger ready to go.

1:01:02This is someone who actually was very in control and knew exactly what he was doing in that moment. Right. And he finishes it with F and B like and then they block medical care. Like, so, and it's a case where you're, where, and lawyers who've looked at this said, like, that also is going to be a huge problem if it ever got in front of a jury. Because if this was, you know, purely self-defense, then how do you justify, forget the second and third shots, not trying to help her with medical care? I mean, it's that's and that, again, shows you like a gun in group, out group distinction because they none of those guys thought this woman deserved to live.

1:01:45Right. Clearly none of them. I mean, not just the man who killed her, but none of them thought she was worthy of life because none of them tried to save her life. And they blocked the doctor who was there, who wanted to intervene and help. They, you know, they pointed a gun at him, said, absolutely not. We're going to let her bleed out. That's what the choice was made. And I believe it was on CNN I saw an interview with a police commander who had said, he's like, for instance, I once had two officers who were shot at by a man, like who shot directly at them. He missed them. They returned fire.

1:02:21They hit the guy. They immediately ran and got their medical gear and rushed to the guy that they had just shot. Yeah. Who had shot at them. and immediately start delivering attempts to save his life and call in an ambulance. Because at that point, you transition from, he's no longer a threat, you transition back into this protect and serve. Yeah. Like, this is your job, it's what you're trained to do. To just be, like, sauntering around and, like, joking around and then hop into a vehicle and flee gives away the game. And did you see the ice officer busted going into the porta potty? Yeah, yeah, we can play.

1:03:05This is, I mean, this is just everything all in one, all at one, because you've got him slipping, comically slipping on the ice, like in a Looney Tunes-esque kind of way. There's a lot of video of that in Minnesota right now. So he falls down, okay? They're not sounding their best. And then goes into the porta-potty with this detainee while, you know, this other agent sits in the car and watches Ilhan Omar, who, you know, this is in Minneapolis, this is her district, she posted like can someone please tell me what's going on with this because i find this deeply disturbing and uh you know there was another um i believe ice agent who was um convicted of sexually abusing um one of the the detainees like these things that we're seeing like this is only just what we can see imagine what's happening behind closed doors where the cameras aren't allowed in and by the way on that note um they're now trying to block there's a law that is supposed to require congressional, any members of Congress from being able to go and inspect ICE facilities at any time, don't have to give notice.

1:04:10Christy Noem just put out some memo saying, no, now you have to give a week's notice. Don't see how that is compliant with the law. There'll probably be a court case over that. But in any case, Ilhan and others showed up at one of these ICE facilities. They wouldn't let them in. So, you know, in direct violation of a law that, you know, Congress passed in response to concerns about exactly these sorts of things. Yeah, Omar said, this is deeply alarming. If anyone has more information, please share. Brooklyn Center is in my district, and I would love any info you all can provide. Yeah, and it's bad news when you're like, oh, have you seen the video of the ICE officers slipping on the ICE?

1:04:46And you're like, which one? Because then the other one, they slip on the ICE, and the guy has gun discharges. Yeah. There's no world in which you're following proper gun safety, and you fall on your gun discharges. Like, that's just not a thing. Yeah. He almost took out his buddy there. Yeah. That was alongside. There was another instance where they, again, involved a vehicle. And they were trying to shoot the person in the vehicle. And he ends up, like, the bullet ricochets and he shoots his partner. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, just comically. Comically. And these are the ones being caught on video.

1:05:20Like, somebody just happened to be filming that port-a-potty. Right. Like, so we're just getting the very, very tip of the iceberg. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. All right, Ryan, you want to tell us what's going on in Iran? So moving on to Iran, President Trump on Air Force One was asked about whether or not Iran has crossed a red line yet. It's interesting. We were just talking about a protester being killed in Minneapolis. Trump seems to have more concern for protesters being killed in Iran than he does here in the United States, setting that hypocrisy aside. Let's listen to Trump's back and forth to the press about whether or not he's about to start bombing Iran, I guess, on in the interests of peace or something.

1:06:05Let's roll this. They called yesterday. Iran called to negotiate. Yesterday. The leaders of Iran called. They want to negotiate. I think they're tired of being beat up by the United States. Iran wants to negotiate. We may meet with them. I mean, a meeting is being set up. But we may have to act because of what's happening before the meeting. But if a meeting is being set up, Iran called, they want to negotiate. And so we know that the foreign minister from Oman recently went to Tehran. There's some reports that he delivered some type of a message from the United States. Iran is responding, saying they want to get back into the Iran nuclear deal.

1:06:55But obviously, if you go to war against us, that will make those negotiations a little bit more difficult. If you can put up D1, according to The New York Times and other outlets, Trump has been briefed on new options for for striking Iran. He has laid out what he has said is a is a red line, although it's not entirely clear what that red line is. it is if protesters are killed under certain circumstances, but not other circumstances, because some of these protests have veered into not just like riots, but like armed attacks on security forces. Ron has said, I think more than 100 members of the security services have been killed.

1:07:36You've seen some, and you're seeing videos of that circulate. Police officer killed and set on fire. A nurse was killed. A firefighter was killed. There are reports of the beheadings of

1:07:53government security services. Meanwhile, you have at least 500 protesters killed at this point, and arguably probably thousands at this point. And Iran has cut the internet, so it's very difficult to get legitimate information out of there. Lindsey Graham was at an event last night and told people there he had to cut it short because he was very excited that we might go to war that night. Let's roll D2. But the reason I had to cut the speech off a little bit, and it was really very kind of you to do what you were doing, I don't know what, but this might be the night. It's just a matter of time now.

1:08:33Just a matter of time. Why is it just a matter of time? And you know what I'm talking about, don't you?

1:08:42this tyrannical regime needs to end we need to end this for the good people of iran and for our own selves and the people of israel we need to take this guy down

1:08:59he needs to leave standing up or laying down i don't care he needs to go and if we can pull this off it'd be the biggest change in the mid-east in a thousand years Hamas has blocked gone it's not even clear to me why Lindsey Graham would need to cut it short like is he calling the shots here is he like picking targets like what is his involvement with this potential bombing or does he just need to be in private to enjoy it needs to be alone to fully savor the moment. Like the fact that he's still so influential with Trump really undercuts the idea that Trump is not just a. There are many things about this that have undercut the idea that Trump is Mr.

1:09:47Peace. I mean, to be honest with you, I think he he is worse than the neocons. He's actually worse than the neocons because he has bombed, what, seven countries so far. And, And, you know, the any of the like at least the neocons felt the need to like build up some sort of a case, have some sort of legitimacy with the American people. The full on barbarism and the complete law of the jungle might makes right like this. This is this is actually worse now. And I'm someone who and I think you were, too, probably in the first Trump administration, I was like Bush is still worse. Like Bush is still worse than what you know, what Trump has been.

1:10:25I can no longer make that case like the resistance lips were right. their most deranged takes on everything except Russiagate were 100 % proven correct. I am sorry for ever criticizing you guys. And you know what? All the discussion of his moral temperament and his character, which I also used to sort of roll my eyes. No, you were correct. That actually did. That ended up mattering a lot in terms of the conduct of his presidency. So yeah, completely vindicated. You know, that first clip we played about where Trump is like, you know, maybe we'll talk about a deal. I would love to believe that's the case, but we've now had multiple instances where the possibility of diplomacy has been used as a pretext and a cover for a bombing campaign.

1:11:09So you can never like this could be yet another Trojan horn. Oh, we're going to extend the arm. Oh, now we know where all of you are so we can murder you. You know, like you just can't rule any of that out ever. Not to mention in that same clip, he says, well, we might have to take action before we can get to the negotiation table. And there's also the thing where he's like, OK, yeah, we're doing a lot of war, but we're really only going to do it in our hemisphere. That's what America first means. Just doing the war here. So, OK, you thought we were going to be, you know, a more peaceful administration.

1:11:40We're not. But it's just here. Promise. And then like three days later, like, oh, and also we're going to bomb Iran. Right. Which is, I mean, you can pick up a globe if you don't believe me. It's not in our backyard. Yeah. Yeah, right now the Swedes are thinking of getting nukes to protect themselves. They're in a coalition of Nordic countries of like, maybe we should get nukes. You should. Everybody should. I mean, that is the logic that we have created around the world. The only people we don't fuck with are the ones who have nuclear weapons. So, you know, I guess that's the way that people are increasingly looking at it.

1:12:16And who could possibly blame them for for viewing things through that lens? You know, in terms of what actually happens here, I genuinely don't know, because Trump doesn't I think he doesn't want to get into some long protracted. He likes the theater of war. He likes being able to do his mission accomplished moment after the, you know, SEAL team or the whoever goes in and does their oh, my God, we kidnapped Maduro and it was so spectacular and amazing. And aren't we the best? And obviously right now he actually posted that he's the acting president of Venezuela. I don't know if you saw that. I did see that, yes.

1:12:50So he likes that, but he had enough caution around, you know, putting this Machado in and like completely doing the regime change thing. Like that's probably going to require more for me than I really want to give. And he seems to have that same sense in Iran. He said, he's like, yeah, this Reza Pilevi, this failed son for the Shah. He doesn't have the juice. He doesn't have the support. And he's right. I mean, he's absolutely right. But the Israelis definitely want to they want a regime change. But, you know, treat to Parsi is correct in saying what they really want is regime destabilization.

1:13:21Like they don't care if Iran is a failed state. They're happy for Iran to be. Yeah, they want it to be a Libya or a Syria or whatever. Like that's what their goal is. Now, is Trump is he on board with that goal? We don't know. But it certainly seems like he is being increasingly persuaded by the ego kick that he got out of the Venezuela operation. plus these protests, which I think are helping to convince him that this would be easier than perhaps he thought in the past. So, you know, I don't think there's anything that we could possibly put off the table, especially when, again, mirroring the dynamic with Venezuela, where you have the Miami-occupied government with Marco Rubio and others who are, you know, South Floridians who are very excited about these possibilities.

1:14:07You have a similar dynamic, obviously, with Mary Maddelson and people in the administration, Mike Huckabee and people in the administration who are very, very committed to what Israel wants with regard to Iran. And they're just going to keep pushing and pushing and pushing and cycling through arguments with him until they find one which works, which is exactly what happened previously with Iran and which is exactly what happened with Venezuela. They kept making different cases to him until they found one that they could use to convince him to effectuate the ends that they wanted. And I don't even know what this one is like what's the argument like why like he was they he did a 12-day war they wanted more than 12 days although they were getting pounded you know pretty badly but they still would have you know gone a little further but what is like what even is the argument like i haven't i think as a member of the public i haven't even like received like why are why are we going to bomb them this time right because initially he had said in his meeting with netanyahu if they went back to building nuclear weapons.

1:15:05Right. That would be. But they yeah, they I mean, we haven't received even any fake reports about that. Well, that's probably coming soon. Stay tuned for that. But in any case, that's sort of been pushed to the side. Now it's supposedly about like the rights and dignity of the protesters. I mean, does anyone really believe that Trump cares about like the, you know, aspirational human rights of the Iranian protesters when obviously doesn't give a shit about that with American protesters? But now since he put this red line down, now it's just about ego. It's like they're embarrassing you. You know, you made this line in the sand.

1:15:38You can't be like Obama where he had his red line and then they walked all over him. Like, you said this thing. You've got to stand strong. I think, I mean, that's as far as I can tell because I don't really see any sort of, any other affirmative case being made for why this is in our interest at all. And isn't the bombing campaign more likely to just end the protests? That's like that. I don't I don't connect how coming in with you bomb a bunch of military installations or something in that. That's that's going to somehow further the protest. I don't know. I guess I guess anything's possible.

1:16:11Meanwhile, Iran has said, put up D3 here, that if the U.S. strikes Iran, that they consider U.S. targets throughout the Middle East, including bases in Iraq, which are quite vulnerable to Iranian attacks, as well as any Israeli targets, that those are legitimate targets. And that's how they will respond. And then covering these protests is extraordinarily difficult. There is probably no arena where there's more disinformation and fake videos thrown out there. Trita Parsi has talked about this. It's like there's some is trickling out. There are a few Starlink. Starlink was mostly successfully taken down, actually, which is fascinating development and is freaking out Musk investors.

1:17:04It seems like Russia and Iran found a kill switch for it. Some Starlinks are still operative and have been able to get some videos of massacres out. Some Iranians have left and gone to, say, Dubai or elsewhere and have brought videos with them. One of those, we can put up D5 here, actually, and then we'll go back to D4. D5, this is footage being played. We blurred this out, but basically there's 250 files here. somebody smuggled this out likely was smuggled out and it's basically evidence of at least 250 people getting killed and then each file kind of goes through somebody else and families are being asked to come to come identify and receive their loved ones and we could like I said we could be talking about many thousands of dead at this point Meanwhile, in Los Angeles, we put up this post here, D4, a U-Haul truck drove through a group of protesters who were supporting the protests against the Iranian regime.

1:18:25The imagery on the U-Haul is suggestive of the possibility that it is an MEK-aligned action. MEK is this bizarre kind of anti-regime cult that is also hostile to the Shah and that has weird connections to the U.S. security establishment and was based in Iraq and backed by the CIA at various times. It's like it's a very – just look up the MEK. It's a very odd organization that has no base of support inside Iran and would do something insane like this. Like terror attacks previously, right? Now they're doing their whole like we've turned over a new leaf thing. If you did, like I don't know if this member got the memo if this was an MEK linked attack.

1:19:16But this is the kind of thing that the MEK would be associated with. Yeah. Yeah. And these were, you know, the I think the protest, the flavor was like pro monarchist, you know, more in back. Pro Shah. Yeah. The Shah's son and, you know, in support of him, et cetera. So in any case, yeah, you have a very difficult situation to know what's going on in the ground. I saw Dr. Parsi also tweeting and it might have even been in that tweet that anecdotally what he's hearing is that the some of the lesson that was taken from the previous protests, which were largely peaceful, was that they failed because they were peaceful, that there wasn't a violent cost associated with it.

1:19:56And that's part of why you're seeing this more violent approach from the protesters this time. But again, it's very hard to know what exactly is going on, how widespread they are. There's no doubt that the Iranian regime is deeply unpopular. I don't think there's any question about that. And part of that is certainly the repression. These protests were initially sparked by the currency collapse triggered by, you know, largely by our sanctions and our aggressive approach towards them. We've trashed their economy. You know, youth unemployment is just sky high. It's an incredibly dim situation for people economically on the ground.

1:20:33And so it's no surprise that the country would be a powder keg. And it's also no surprise that you would have actors in the U.S. and Israel who want to take advantage of those legitimate grievances to pursue their own ideological ends. Yeah. And Israel brags about how well organized Mossad is inside Iran. And that. Well, they've showed that off. What a massive network of allies and assets they have in there. And there was no immediate and we'll get to Van Hollen in a moment. There was no immediate kind of triggering event that sparked these protests. it really appears like it was an organized, like orchestrated, planned out thing rather than, you know, let's say somebody, you know, a protester or, you know, police kill somebody or, you know.

1:21:16It may be an ICE agent shooting someone in the face three times as one example of the precipitating event. There was none of that. It was just like all of a sudden there's protests. Yeah. And you have Israel and Israel was in the weeks leading up to this saying we're going to war against them again. And so they've basically taken a lot of credit for this.

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