1/14/26: Elizabeth Warren Slams Abundance Bros, Thomas Massie On Iran, Venezuela And Epstein

28:49Here's the problem. Our bill is not a FOIA request. Our bill is a law that the president himself signed. And the other thing is we say specifically in our bill, you have to release internal communications involving decisions about whether to indict or not. And so they're way off on their legal reasoning. The thing is, it's might makes right. They're doing this. They're disobeying the law because I think they're trying to test and see if there's any way it can be enforced. And so we're doing the most polite thing possible. We're just asking a judge to oversee this. And then we could ratchet that up as we go along.

29:30We can find them in contempt. If we can get a majority of Congress to rule, we could say they're in inherent contempt, which allows us to collect a fine or even to arrest people at the DOJ. We could do an impeachment of Pam Bondi. That is a longer process because it would have to pass the Senate. Right. And then there could be civil litigation in courts that could also get to this. What's clear, though, is somebody's got to make the AG follow the law. And I would like to remind them, anybody at the DOJ who's watching this show right now, this isn't a subpoena. It's a law. And so it doesn't expire at the end of this Congress.

30:11So a future attorney general can prosecute anybody who's involved in disobeying this law. I was actually just going to ask about that. What mechanism might exist to hold them accountable if, for example, they are just making mass redactions or holding things for national security purposes? Anything that falls under that umbrella, potentially it would just be the political system that an opposition party would come into power and prosecute Pam Bondi or others at the DOJ. It could do that. Yeah, I mean, the next administration could come in and prosecute them. The reason that typically hasn't happened in the past is because Congress, whether like it's an oversight committee or the Judiciary Committee, issues a subpoena.

30:51Somebody doesn't show up. And then from the DOJ. The Clintons, for example. Yeah, the Clintons, for example. But the harder case is when you have somebody at the DOJ who's thumbing their nose at Congress. So you refer contempt to the DOJ and the DOJ says, you know, we don't think we're going to find ourselves in contempt. So they never act upon it. And it's a time bomb with a fuse that defuses itself at the end of a Congress because subpoenas expire. If they were issued by one Congress, they don't carry into the next Congress. This is a law that doesn't go to the end of Congress. It goes forever.

31:26Like literally, if somebody doesn't comply, I even hate to say this, it's just a thought exercise. Ten years from now, the attorney general who finds an Epstein file is compelled to release it. Right. Over at DropSite News, we've done some reporting based on the documents that you guys have forced into the public, as well as some from the inbox of Ehud Barak, former prime minister and teleofficial in Israel, Which shows very clearly that whatever else Epstein was doing, definitely at times he was working with Israeli government officials in the interests of the Israeli government. So people can make of that whatever they want.

32:06What have you encountered about that relationship as you've kind of pushed for the release of these documents? And as AIPAC and billionaire money pours into your race, which you've handily won re-election, you're popular in your district time after time, seems like there's a target on your back for a reason. Yeah, it's either a really small world or these – I'm a coincident theorist now, not a conspiracy theorist. I'm observing coincidences like for instance, one of the three billionaires funding the race against me is in Epstein's Black Book. Now that came out many years ago. Which one was that?

32:46It's not an indictment. John Paulson. Okay. And these are the three billionaires. One's Miriam Adelson, one's Paul Singer. They're all connected very deeply to Israel, as was Epstein. And in the case of John Paulson, he shows up in the Black Book of Epstein. And again, I would say that's not an indictment. There are probably lots of people who Epstein had their personal cell numbers and may have had legitimate conversations about a scholarship or something. But that's the kind of connections that we're seeing here. And Ehud Barak, for instance, we know he met with Epstein at least three dozen times.

33:29And it may have overlapped with when he was actually an official. Oh, it did. Working for Israel. I can confirm that. Okay, good. Defense minister, he was formerly prime minister and then defense minister. I submitted to the record in a congressional hearing with Kash Patel right there in front of us, five documents that establish a connection between Epstein and intelligence agencies. Quotes from his security guard, for instance, the meetings with Ehud Barak, the fact that Epstein met with our own acting director of CIA, I believe, then later became the director. There's strong connections there.

34:16And the bill that Ro Khanna and I released has been criticized for saying that you can redact to protect national security. And so they might, for instance, try to redact his connection to the CIA. The problem is they need to say when they're redacting for national security, they still need to release those documents and have the redactions. That's the other thing about these redactions. They're just putting black on everything. They're not putting why they've redacted it. You know, OK, we're trying to protect a victim here or maybe we're trying to protect a billionaire from embarrassment in this case.

34:53was it true by the way that the reason they screwed up the redactions on the last tranche was that doge made them get rid of their adobe pro account did you hear that theory that because if you don't have adobe pro you're going to have to do the sloppy method which you can just copy paste and and break through it people were able to jailbreak all these files you know i don't think we defunded there that would be kind of a double win for you because you were very supportive I'm just mad it was disclosed that you could unredact these things fairly soon. I was hoping they would release more of these things that all you had to do was post it.

35:26Keep it quiet. Into a notepad. Let them do it. Maybe their Adobe Photoshop Pro license lapsed. I don't know. But I'm pretty sure they've got plenty of Sharpie markers over there. They could have printed this stuff out and did a Sharpie and then scanned it back in. I'm glad they did it the way they did. I just wish there was more stuff we could unredact. And eventually, I think we will. Welcome to the A-Building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. had both been assassinated. And Black America was out of breaking point. Rioting and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale.

36:06In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's alma mater, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history, Martin Luther King Sr. and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution, I mean, people were dying. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should. and it will blow your mind. Listen to The A Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

36:51This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather. It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea. In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune. It was hard to wrap your head around. It was nature and trees and praying and drugs. So no, I am not your guru. And back then, I lied to my parents, I lied to police, I lied to everybody. There were years, Ryder, where I could not say your name. I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can, to try to find out what actually happened.

37:30Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend? They have had this case for 30 years. I'll teach you sons of bitches to come around here and my wife. Boom, boom. This is The Red Weather. Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This show contains information subject to but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man? This your boy, Nell Green from the Broken Play Podcast. Look, it's the end of the season. The playoffs are here. But guess what?

38:06It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Another team who ain't going to the playoff. The Chiefs. Oh, it's a wrap. It's time to rebuild. Who your MVP right now then? Drake May up there. Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford. Where the hell both nicks at? He ain't too far behind. He did all this talking. What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy. Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan. But Matthew Stafford got better weapons. Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation.

38:41In what conversation? MVP? He should be in it. Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or whatever you get your podcast. Now, your weapons of mass distraction point would be turned around by you. In fact, the entire predicate for your primary opponent's campaign is that you yourself are a distraction from the MAGA agenda. And as a libertarian, something you've had to think about your entire career is that threats to personal freedom and liberty and constitutional order come from both the left and the right. Yeah. So when we faced such an authoritarian, Ryan will disagree with me on this, but an authoritarian threat to speech and personal liberty from the Biden era left, a lot of people on the right said it's just important to go pedal to the metal for Donald Trump.

39:30let Mike Johnson cook. How are you thinking about these things now? Do you feel like you've done more? Obviously, you feel like you've done more good than harm. But what do you think about the people who say Thomas Massey has done more harm than good to the cause of personal liberty? Well, first of all, I vote with my party 91 % of the time. And in the 9 % I don't, they're taken up for pedophiles, starting a new war or bankrupting the country. Uh, now there's none of those things are MAGA. None of those things are MAGA as not the MAGA that I signed up for, not the president that I endorsed, not his mission.

40:07I did endorse Donald Trump, uh, before, you know, the November election, which was a big step. He and I talked on the phone about that endorsement. He was very thankful for it. Uh, I told him I was doing it because I thought there were still a lot of libertarians and independents on the fence. And he agreed. He was so excited about my endorsement. I said, well, how do I get this endorsement out there? And he said, oh, just tweet it. I'll retweet you. We put it on true social. I get it out there for you. And then he's like, the libertarians love me. They all applauded for me at the convention. And anyways, I do believe it was consequential.

40:48At least he thought it was consequential enough to put it on his own social media. So it's, you know, I speak at rallies. I did not. OK, that I just called him up on the phone and he took my call. He says, hello, this is Donald. And, you know, and I said, yeah, it was a very interesting phone call. But eventually we got to the point. Did he have your number at the time or did he just answer? It's not a tool. He was on a plane to go tape Joe Rogan. And I'm pretty sure he doesn't answer random calls. I think I'm in there under sharp cookie, tough cookie. Yeah. Because every time he answers, he goes, oh, you're a sharp cookie.

41:31You went to MIT. I was just going to say, buddy. You know, my uncle, Professor John G. Trump taught at MIT 41 years. It's a record. I've got the best genetics. So, and I've heard that like every time. So I think in his phone, it says sharp cookie or something. And also tough cookie. Yeah. But now it says, what does he call you now? Oh, gosh, the litany of adjectives. I went from a third-rate grandstander to he endorsed me after that. After 2020, he endorsed me in 2022. He called me a first-rate defender of the Constitution. Now I'm back to third-rate grandstander. Low life. What was the latest thing?

42:12Was it Epstein? Like, what was the break for him? Yeah. I wonder if he's got it if like there's some secret project that's a time machine over at the White House and they let him turn the knobs and look into the future. And he sees that I do something great to his detriment. And so now every morning he wakes up trying to figure out how to derail me from my path. Obviously, I'm being facetious here. I don't know what it is. It's, you know, he came to our GOP conference at the beginning of this session of Congress in January and mentioned me three or four times. At the Kennedy Center speech? Yeah.

42:53So you were there for that. At the Trump Kennedy Center. Right, the Trump Kennedy Center. I was not there, but my friends all came up to me who were there and said, he mentioned you like four or five times, not by name each time, but it was clear he was speaking about. here's but to to the main point there's this narrative people are trying to say i've stopped an agenda right i didn't stop the big beautiful bill i didn't stop all these crs which are basically the biden uh budgets which mike johnson said we wouldn't be governing by cr right i haven't stopped anything yet and the only thing where i've really changed the course of congress this congress is to get the epstein files transparency act passed i have forced some transparency on them.

43:36And I think that's what they dislike when they have to vote on whether to go to war or not. And then on some of the amendments, like I'm going to offer amendments to defund things that, you know, allegedly, here's a part of the cognitive dissonance, I think, over at the White House. There's all this fraud in these programs like refugee resettlement programs, the daycare programs. The White House has tried to withhold funding from five different states at least, and a judge said you can't do that. And they're complaining that the judge said, this judge, he's got too much power. The reason the judge can say that is President Trump signed the bill that said he would give the money, and Republicans wrote the checks to give the money.

44:24Once you pass a spending bill, it's a law, and so you have to follow the law. They have an opportunity that Republicans do, and this president does by January 30th, to put those guardrails in. If they want to withhold money or put guardrails around things to keep fraud from happening, there's a bill coming up this week and next week to do that. And so somebody needs to not sign the bill, that would be the president, if it perpetuates the fraud. I'll be interested to see how that goes. You can't wait for the National Endowment for Democracy to get another$300 million, as you've been pointing out.

45:04That's in the minibus. I'm going to predict it does. I'm going to predict they don't stop that, even though they complain about it. And it's a tool for intervention overseas. It's a tool for the CIA. And it's a lot of money going overseas. I don't think that's going to make America great again. My final question for you is actually back when you did an interview with my colleagues and me at the Washington Examiner in like 2017. and I wrote a story afterwards about something so interesting you said, which is that back in 2012 when you'd been campaigning with Ron Paul and Rand Paul, you thought everyone was super excited.

45:37You know where I'm going with this. Super excited about libertarian ideas and you found out ultimately that they were just looking for the craziest son of a bitch in the race. Are you now the craziest son of a bitch in the race? Are you going to win by being more MAGA than MAGA? Well, I mean, I did apply that name to myself back then even. I said that when they elected Ron Paul and Rand Paul and myself, I thought the Republican Party was going more libertarian, more constitutional. And then I saw Donald Trump get in a race and take the same base that we had. And then I realized at that point they had not been voting for the libertarian or the constitutionalist.

46:16They were voting for the craziest son of a bitch in the race. Disruptor. The disruptor. And I use that as a term of endearment, by the way. Yeah, of course. Same. I think I'm the only sane Republican in the race right now, or the only one that's forming an opinion that sometimes deviates from the groupthink. The sanest son of a bitch. Probably. It looks crazy up here, but back home, I don't think it looks crazy when you say, I don't think we should increase spending. I don't think we should topple governments overseas. I don't think we should be covering up for this pedophile ring. Is that crazy?

46:55If that's all crazy, then I'm crazy. How's the polling look? Have you done any or is there public polling? You didn't see Donald Trump's tweets? No, I missed that. He says he's reported three times on the polling. At one point, I was at 6%, but I'm back up to 9%. Okay. I've hovered around 8%. You've got a 50 % jump. Yeah, in the president's tweets. The reality is I am winning back in the district. And even when you inform and the race hasn't heated up, I've got a primary on May 19th. OK, even though they spent two million dollars disparaging my name, they haven't really spent any money promoting my opponents.

47:31He has zero name ID. So when we poll it, and we polled it in September and December, and we put him on the ballot both times, I beat him by a large margin. If you go in and tell the people, oh, but Trump has endorsed him, and look at how it changes, I'm still winning the race, even with the Trump endorsement. So we'll see. There's going to be a lot of money spent. I think— There already has been a stunning amount against Trump. Yeah, there's been$2 million spent almost 10 months before the race. against me. There's been a million dollars spent for me. I've spent half a million dollars on TV and ads from my own campaign funds, but I've got$2 million in the bank.

48:13Every time Donald Trump tweets against me, I raise another$80 ,000 on average. And those are people mostly who support Trump. Well, one of the billionaires against you, Singer, stands to make billions from the Venezuela invasion. So he can carve off a little piece for that. It's just a return on investment for him. I mean, he bought Citgoat, which was the nationalized Venezuelan oil company that sells gasoline in the United States. He bought them for pennies on the dollar in a forced auction sale of them, even though there was a higher bidder. So that's kind of interesting. Yeah. And he does, he goes and buys bad debt and bad, you know, hard luck cases.

48:54And then you use the government, uses the government to force to compel other governments to pay the loans or to make him whole and that's what's happened here and they're not even hiding it this with argentina he did it with puerto rico he's trying to do it with fanny and freddy or was trying to do it yeah the white house is not even hiding it there's you know we've been gaslit this whole time it started out oh it's about fentanyl and fentanyl's a weapon of mass destruction and we're just blowing up the boats and then, oh, actually, they don't send us fentanyl. They send us cocaine. All right, well, but at least we're just blowing up boats.

49:29We're not going on the mainland. Oh, actually, it's about the oil because these are narco-terrorists, and this is the most preposterous thing that they get away with is saying that the oil funds the drug trade. I'm pretty sure if there's one industry that doesn't need or receive subsidies, it's cocaine. Yes, I think they're doing okay. I think they're doing just fine. Maybe a little help from the DEA. Yeah, the CIA might help finance some of it every now and then, but they don't need oil money to sell cocaine. But that's how they tried to get to the oil. But now, I mean, give them credit for committing candor, which is, it's usually a crime up here to commit candor.

50:07But the president is committing it. He's admitting this was an attack, not an arrest. And he's saying, we're taking their oil and I'll take as much of it as I want, and I'll sell it for any price I want. And he will eventually, he's going to make his big donors whole, like Paul Singer, who bought the troubled asset known as Sitco. Welcome to the A-Building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. had both been assassinated, and Black America was at a breaking point. rioting and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's alma mater, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest.

50:52It featured two prominent figures in Black history, Martin Luther King Sr. and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people were dying. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should. And it will blow your mind. Listen to The A Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

51:35It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea. In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune. It was hard to wrap your head around. It was nature and trees and praying and drugs. No, I am not your guru. And back then, I lied to my parents. I lied to police. I lied to everybody. There were years right where I could not say your name. I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened. Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend?

52:14They have had this case for 30 years. I'll teach you sons of bitches to come around here and my wife. Boom, boom. This is The Red Weather. Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This show contains information subject to but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man? This your boy, Nav Green, from the Broken Play Podcast. Look, it's the end of the season. The playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network.

52:54Another team who ain't going to the playoffs. The Chiefs. Oh, it's a wrap. It's time to rebuild. Who your MVP right now then? Drake May up there. Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford. Where the hell both nicks at? He ain't too far behind. He did all this talking. What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy. Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapon. Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation. In what conversation? MVP? MVP. Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or whatever you get your podcast.

53:33Let's end on this newsy bit here. We have Mike Johnson saying yesterday, we don't have to roll the full clip, but he said he was asked by CNN's Manu Raju about the Clintons announcing. I don't think he has an earpiece. The congressman doesn't have an earpiece, but that's OK. I can read lips. Roll it. Well, he knows what he said. OK, well, let's go ahead. We'll roll F1. Clinton's defied the subpoena today. One, are you going to hold them in contempt? Two, should the Postal Oversight Committee also pursue Trump and get testimony from him with as much zeal? Why would they need it? President Trump gives open, unending press conferences on a daily basis.

54:15Anybody can ask him anything. And he's addressed this issue ad nauseum. On your own. The Clintons have not. And I think it's defiance of Congress for them to defy the subpoena. I mean, I think by definition, it's a contempt of Congress. And we'll have to see how that plays out. So Mike Johnson, obviously an attorney, and there he said it was by definition contempt of Congress. What he saw from the Clintons, we can put the next element up on the screen. This is, I'm sure you saw, Congressman, the letter that the Clintons sent to Chairman James Comer yesterday saying they will not comply with the Epstein subpoena.

54:53And man, this is getting into a position where you could see what happened to Steve Bannon potentially happened to the Clintons. Congressman, would you support the Clintons being prosecuted for contempt of Congress? Well, what they should do is they should just come to Congress and do what they all do and plead the fifth, right? You can do that, be done and leave. Of course, you'll be asked multiple questions. It'll be somewhat embarrassing. And then you leave. That would keep them out of jail. Yeah, you I mean, just as somebody, whether I was a Republican or not, if they are compelled by subpoena to come to Congress and they don't show up, there should be ramifications and they should be held in contempt.

55:35But this is the wrong way to get at the truth for these victims. Right. This is theater. This is high theater. If Clinton is guilty, it'll be in the draft indictments that the DOJ possesses and haven't released. If Clinton is guilty, it'll be in the 302 forms that the FBI filled out after they interviewed Clinton's victims. OK, that's all in the files if there's any evidence of it. And so if they want to get at the Clintons, just release the files. I think the problem is they want to have a double standard. There are billionaires in there they want to protect as well. And so, you know, they're over redacting.

56:17Just release the files. We don't even really need him to show up to know that he's guilty if we've got a million documents which translate into four million pages of evidence. Well, let us have a look at that. Yeah, and we can post Hillary's like entire letter down in the description so that people can read their full defense because I can't really offer a very strong defense because Steve Bannon was issued a lawful subpoena. He rejected it on principle. And he went to jail defending the principle. And then when, I guess, he got 30 or 60 days or whatever he got. And then it was over. You should never have an air cold.

56:58We have subpoenas. Like, Congress has the subpoena power. And you got to come in. That's what I don't understand, why they won't just come in and do the Fifth Amendment thing. Like, that's an option. Like, hey, not answering this. They say it's about making a point. They're thumbing their nose at the law. They're thumbing their nose at Congress. there need to be ramifications. They should be arrested if they won't show up. I think as soon as you get to the point of arrest, they would probably say, oh, actually, just kidding. We found some time on our calendar. We'll drop by. And, you know, typically what they'll do is try to dictate the terms of their appearance.

57:34So this is they're not they're not refusing it. Then they're negotiating the I think this is the beginning of a negotiation. OK, but, you know, this is one of the criticism as long as they make it past January of next year. Right. Exactly. They could they could outlast this if the Congress changes hands because that subpoena would expire on January 3rd of next year, which is when the new Congress starts. But again, it's it's all theater. Just release the daggone files. That's interesting to hear it from from your perspective to say, like, you know, because you're on the opposite party. Of course, they should testify.

58:14But right. If you're actually interested in light and transparency, you're not going to get it from. No. Just having a dog and pony show with Bill and Hillary Clinton. They'll just show up and plead the fifth. But this is one of the criticisms of Pam Bondi. Conservatives are getting frustrated with her. Oh, yeah. There have been no arrests. There have been no Epstein files arrests. Do you remember one of the tools, one of the flares they sent up to try and distract from my bill and maybe to justify extra redactions? She said, oh, we're opening the Epstein cases again. We found new information to justify indictments and investigations.

58:58We haven't heard anything about that. But my colleague from Kentucky in the Senate, Senator Rand Paul, has referred Fauci for, you know, let him have a day in court. But he wants Fauci, you know, brought to justice. She's not doing anything there. It's not that she's being too partisan. She's just not really doing anything. Well, this is, I mean, sometimes we'll have to do a whole conversation about Maha because if people haven't watched a documentary about Congressman Massey living off the grid on his own house and the way that you've devised this brilliant, ingenious system, they have to check that out.

59:36Also check out the Swamp documentary. That's another good one. Yeah, we should get out there. So, Congressman, thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me on. I'm glad to discover you're in D.C., just minutes away from my office. I've got to come back. We would love that. All right. And everyone, thank you so much for tuning in to today's edition of Breaking Points. As a reminder, it helps us so much. If you subscribe to the channel, that's what lets us do our independent news and keep it independent. So please hit that subscribe button on your podcast app or on the channel. And we'll be back here with more Breaking Points soon.

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