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Breaking Points Podcast Notes
Episode Overview
- Podcast Title: Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar
- Episode Title: 1/21/26: Zohran Calls For ICE Abolition, IDF Buckles To Ms. Rachel, India Joins Fight Against Saudis
- Hosts: Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti
- Date: January 21, 2026
- Key Topics:
- Zohran Mamdani's call for the abolition of ICE
- The Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) reaction to Ms. Rachel
- India's involvement in the geopolitical conflict involving Saudi Arabia
Key Discussions
- Zohran Mamdani and ICE Abolition
- Mamdani, the newly elected mayor of New York City, advocates for the abolition of ICE, calling it a terrorizing entity rather than a legitimate law enforcement agency.
- He emphasizes the need for a humane approach to immigration, reflecting on the traumatic experiences caused by ICE actions.
Key Quotes
- "ICE is terrorizing people no matter their immigration status."
- "What we need to see is humanity."
- The IDF and Ms. Rachel
- Ms. Rachel, a well-known children’s television personality, advocates for the preservation of a youth soccer field in the West Bank threatened by the IDF.
- The situation underscores the impact of the IDF's actions on children and community morale amid geopolitical tensions.
Key Points
- The IDF faces pressure from the international community regarding its actions in the West Bank.
- The significance of children's spaces and normalcy amidst conflict is highlighted.
- India’s Rising Role Against Saudi Influence
- A geopolitical overview shows India joining forces with Saudi Arabia against the backdrop of conflicts involving the UAE and Pakistan.
- The discussion revolves around the shifting allegiances in the Middle East and implications for global energy markets, particularly concerning gold and natural gas.
Important Insights
- Saudi Arabia's deal to buy Sudanese gold represents a strategic pivot amid internal conflicts.
- The UAE's backing of the RSF in Sudan raises concerns over human rights and international law.
Political Climate and Implications
- The episode highlights how political dynamics in America, particularly concerning immigration policy and foreign relations, are increasingly influenced by grassroots movements and public sentiment.
- Mamdani's administration is seen as a shift towards progressive governance that prioritizes humane policy-making over traditional enforcement tactics.
Guest Segment
Zeeshan Hafiz
- Zeeshan Hafiz, running for Congress in Texas's 33rd district, discusses his progressive platform, emphasizing:
- Refusal to accept AIPAC funding.
- Advocacy for social issues, including the affordability crisis, public education, and comprehensive immigration reform.
- Hafiz positions himself as a candidate who resonates with grassroots movements against established political figures perceived as disconnected from constituents' needs.
Key Takeaways from Hafiz's Segment
- Voter engagement is crucial in low-turnout districts, and Hafiz aims to mobilize younger voters with a progressive agenda.
- He underscores the importance of local issues like public transportation and healthcare as interconnected with broader socio-political dynamics.
Conclusion
- The episode encapsulates a blend of local governance changes, international conflict involvement, and the evolving landscape of American political engagement.
- It calls for a deeper examination of how grassroots movements can influence both domestic and foreign policy.
Call to Action
- Listeners are encouraged to support independent media like Breaking Points to foster a more informed and engaged citizenry.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VODiscussion on ICE Abolition
2:07 to 4:44
Debate on the political momentum behind the Abolish ICE movement.
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Mamdani's Policies and Actions
4:44 to 7:57
Overview of New York Mayor Zoran Mamdani's early policies and actions.
“And finally, one more skeptical question from VU Host, this time on Zoran Mamdani's policies towards Jewish New Yorkers.”
Community Response and Political Challenges
7:57 to 13:14
The political challenges facing Mamdani and community responses to his initiatives.
“People are so grateful to like see the city do something to make their life better.”
Miss Rachel's Advocacy
15:09 to 15:48
Miss Rachel advocates for saving a soccer field in the West Bank.
“Neuro Linguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology.”
IDF's Controversial Actions
15:48 to 20:06
Discussion on the IDF's plans to demolish a children's soccer field.
“Yeah, so actually Zoran and Miss Rachel started his term off by pushing for universal pre-K by visiting a preschool class.”
Israeli Control and Land Issues
20:06 to 23:06
Analyzing Israel's control over Palestinian territories and its implications.
“It's, you know, understandably from their, if you're putting yourself in the minds ideologically of them, they want total buffer.”
Trump's Peace Board and Its Implications
23:06 to 28:00
Exploration of Trump's proposed peace board and its potential effects.
“vision complimentary but a different vision well that's the the next element we have here uh speaking of Trump's different vision for his board of peace.”
The Reality of the Conflict in Gaza
28:00 to 29:30
Discussion on the ongoing conflict in Gaza and its implications.
“I mean, we don't even know what the board looks like, to be fair, But it sounds to me like you have a lot of freelancing from people who are ultimately going to be leaning in one direction.”
Discussing the Congressional Race
31:30 to 32:10
Introduction of Zeeshan Hafiz and discussion about his campaign.
“NLP was used on me to access my subconscious.”
Challenging Establishment Democrats
32:10 to 36:30
Zeeshan discusses the struggles of running against established Democratic candidates.
“All right, so joining us now to discuss all this is Zeeshan Hafiz, who's running for Congress in Texas's 33rd district.”
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Issues Affecting Voter Engagement
36:30 to 40:30
Zeeshan highlights key issues energizing voters in his district.
“Well, the point about turnout rates is really important.”
The Affordability Crisis and Foreign Policy
40:30 to 42:01
Discussion about the connection between local affordability issues and foreign policy.
“I think that's unacceptable, and our nation has the wrong priorities because we have politicians that are not willing to start fights on the right issues.”
The Consequences of Military Intervention
42:01 to 43:36
Discussing the impacts of U.S. military actions abroad and the need for domestic investment.
“Emily, that's a great point that you bring up.”
Zeeshan Hafiz on Political Campaigns
43:36 to 44:38
Zeeshan Hafiz shares insights on his political campaign and the importance of grassroots support.
“Why can't we do things like what Bernie Sanders has proposed and invest in millions and millions of affordable housing units so we can fight a real war?”
The Fight for Progressive Politics
44:38 to 46:39
Exploring the need for true progressives in Congress and rejecting corporate influence.
“And we hope that it will come again in reaction to his most recent attack on our government, on our democracy, on our civil rights.”
Geopolitical Implications in Sudan and Beyond
47:40 to 56:00
Analyzing the geopolitical dynamics involving Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Sudan's gold.
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Geopolitical Dynamics of the Red Sea Region
56:00 to 58:38
Explore the strategic significance of the Red Sea and its geopolitical players.
“And to make sense of it, we can put up F4 again.”
ICC's Role and Ongoing Atrocities in Sudan
58:38 to 1:01:56
Understand the ICC's actions and the humanitarian crisis in Sudan.
“Meanwhile, if the ICC is still allowed to do business, is it?”
UAE's Influence and American Interests
1:01:56 to 1:05:31
Examine the UAE's growing power and its implications for U.S. policy.
“And meanwhile, the famine and the health collapse continues.”
Transcript
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0:31rings and listen now. Black history lives in our stories, our culture, and the conversations we still have in today. This Black History Month, the podcast I Didn't Know, Maybe You Didn't Either digs into the moments, perspectives, and experiences that don't always make the textbook. Let me tell you about Garrett Morgan. Bruh had to pretend he didn't even exist just to sell his own invention. Listen to I Didn't Know, Maybe You Didn't Either from the Black Effect podcast network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or simply wherever you get your podcasts.
1:111969, Malcolm and Martin are gone. America is in crisis. And at Morehouse College, the students make their move. These students, including a young Samuel L. Jackson, locked up the members of the Board of Trustees, including Martin Luther King Sr. It's the true story of protest and rebellion in Black American history that you'll never forget. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. Listen to The A Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey guys, Sagar and Crystal here. Independent media just played a truly massive role in this election, and we are so excited about what that means for the future of this show.
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2:14Speaking of the Abolish ICE movement's political momentum, New York City Mayor Zaron Mondani made his case for abolishing ICE on where else, But The View, he was back with the ladies yesterday. Let's get to that. To be honest, it feels incredible. Yeah. You know, this is the dream of a lifetime. And we've always wanted to build a city government that moves as fast as New Yorkers do. You know, when a New Yorker's trying to walk somewhere, you don't get in their way. City government hasn't felt like that for a long time. So we've wanted to say that there's not going to be any problem too big or too small for us to address.
2:46So day one, we put bad landlords on notice right after that inauguration speech. You know, day six, we fixed a bump on the Williamsburg Bridge. Day eight, we announced more than a billion dollars in funding for universal child care. That was a huge bump, by the way. That was a huge bump. Where's that money coming from? That's coming from the state. And what that does is it allows us to fix universal child care for three-year-olds and deliver it for two-year-olds. We actually have a mother in the audience, Mallory, who is here with us and who, when the announcement was made, texted her husband to say, it might be time for a second kid.
3:23And I think so often we think that these are decisions families are making on their own, but really we're giving them no choice when we say that childcare costs$25 ,000,$26 ,000 a year. Now it's something that they can actually get for free.
3:38All right, so lots of friendly banter with Zora Mamdani once again on The View. Here he is on Abolishing ICE, D2. In light of recent events, There have been renewed calls from prominent Democrats to abolish ICE. I want to know where you come down on abolishing ICE and if you believe that ICE has any legitimate law enforcement role. You know, I am in support of abolishing ICE and I'll tell you why. Because what we see is an entity that has no interest in fulfilling its stated reason to exist. we're seeing a government agency that is supposed to be enforcing some kind of immigration law but instead what it's doing is terrorizing people no matter their immigration status no matter the facts of the law no matter the facts of the case and i'm tired of waking up every day and seeing a new image of someone being dragged out of a car dragged out of their home dragged out of their life what we need to see is humanity and there is a way to to care about immigration in this city and in this country with a sense of humanity.
4:41What we're seeing from ICE is not it, and we have not seen that from them in a long, long time. And finally, one more skeptical question from VU Host, this time on Zoran Mamdani's policies towards Jewish New Yorkers. Let's roll the clip. One of your first acts as mayor was revoking executive orders related to the definition of anti-Semitism and lifting restrictions on boycotting Israel. A staff appointee, which I know you've spoken to this a little bit with Alyssa's question, had to resign over a resurfaced anti-Semitic social posts. How do you answer to Jewish New Yorkers, which is the largest population outside of Israel, who still don't maybe feel protected under your administration?
5:19So this is an administration that will root out anti-Semitism across the five boroughs. And you're right that we signed an executive order on the first day revoking every order that the previous mayor had taken after he was federally indicted. The reason we did that was because it was a day when New Yorkers looked at City Hall and said, I don't know what's motivating these actions anymore. Is it the indictment or is it the interest of the city? And another order that we did ourselves was to keep the mayor's office to combat antisemitism. This is an office and an administration that looks to fulfill those words, that commitment we've made, increasing funding for hate crime prevention programming, increasing security for Jewish New Yorkers outside of synagogues and temples, and also saying that the rubric we judge ourselves on cannot be, are we keeping Jewish New Yorkers safe?
6:03It has to also be, are we celebrating and cherishing them? because that's what it means to feel like you belong in a city. That's what we want to do forever in New York. Especially New York. Especially New York. Okay, so most of those women either just work in New York or own property in New York. Probably a couple of them live in New York at least. And they are thoroughly charmed. Think any voted for them? I highly doubt that. Sunny Haas might have voted for them. I don't know. But they are thoroughly charmed. I mean, here you have moderate, wealthy women in New York City ready to get on board the Zoran Mamdani DSA train.
6:41I mean, with that smile, come on, how can you not? On the question of the anti-Semitism definition, I wish sometimes he would spell out like why he got rid of it. it explicitly conflates criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. Like it lumps those together in the examples of things that it considers a legal definition of anti-Semitism. Like I wish he would kind of just say that. For whatever reason, he clearly feels like he doesn't want to get into the weeds on it and just wants to kind of hit Eric Adams instead. said, let's linger for one second on that fixing the bump on the Williamsburg Bridge.
7:27It sounds silly. No, it doesn't. But like that combined with the deep cleaning of the subway. So there was this bump, apparently, on the bridge that was on a bike lane that was like a little bit treacherous and was the bane of every bike commuter's existence going to and from work or into and out of the city, including Mamdani. And he's like, you know what, let's fix that. Just do it. And he showed up and like, thank the guys for fixing it. Yeah. Like Pete, like it's so easy. It's low hanging fruit. People are so grateful to like see the city do something to make their life better. Even if it's as small as like making their, their ride like a little bit uh safer uh intern mj uh put together a list of a bunch of the other executive actions that he's rolled out really quick i don't know if we have any elements for these but i can go through some of them um he he re-established the mayor's office to protect tenants um he uh did a bunch of other things to kind of is that the sea weaver office um she's involved in that okay um he did a bunch of other things to accelerate housing ticking off nimby's in the process.
8:41We don't have to get into it. She is the director of that. So maybe not the cleanest W for Zoran in that case. But he has stood by her. Yeah, yeah. Which I suggested was like a good idea because if you notice, so he got rid of the person that was mentioned who had some, you know, anti-Semitic posts. They mentioned it in the clip there that one of his people had to quit. By the way, that person either is Jewish or she's married to a Jewish person. Yeah. But had said some tweet that was like, this is indefensible. This looks anti-Semitic. The fact that we know you're not doesn't matter. It looks bad.
9:25And so she did withdraw. But if you notice what the political effect of that is, it's going to be constantly brought up as an indictment against him. Did you notice how the question was framed? It wasn't like you got rid of this person, therefore that's a good thing and shows that you're willing to fight anti-Semitism. It was used as an example of how actually your administration shot through with anti-Semitism. So that's the trap of getting rid of people. If you get rid of C. Weaver, it's like, oh, you hate white people. You got rid of this. One person hates white people. The politics of it were very smart on his part.
10:03Yeah, so by sticking around. And then it tells the New York Post, like, don't waste your time. It's not, the bait isn't going to, right. Maybe do two articles next time, not seven. Yeah, you don't need to send the photographer. Right, yeah, you don't want to stake out her apartment. Let's see, what else did he do? Yeah, the free childcare.
10:24Yes, I saw the announced new commitment to expand access to public bathrooms. And you've already seen that. Like they're already opening up new bathrooms. Like people are like, yes, more bathrooms, good. He's picking a lot of low-hanging fruit that if you come from DSA organizing world, you are going to be equipped to pick in a way that if you're Andrew Cuomo in a bubble of wealth and privilege, you don't even know what bothers the average New Yorker. And there's some Lena Kahn stuff in here. Department of Consumer and Worker Protection cracked down on illegal subscription tactics, like fighting subscription tricks and traps, like when you try to get rid of your breaking points, premium subscription, and when we send you - But nobody does.
11:06Actually, that's true. It's never happened. Nobody's ever tried to do that. Why would you? I wonder if Zoran has a BP subscription. Look his email up in there. He should. He doesn't want to waste his time with the ads. No. Right? He's busy. Sued the same agency, sued predatory delivery app Motoclick Motoclick and the CEO for violating the city's delivery worker laws, warned delivery apps to comply with worker protections, announced$2.1 million settlement to address hazardous condition and tenant harassment across 14 buildings, restarted the Just Home Supportive Housing Initiative, which would create 83 new homes, which reversed something that Eric Adams had done.
11:43And it's January 21st. He's been in for exactly three weeks at this point. So I like his idea that New Yorkers walk fast, the city needs to also. It's repetitive for us to say this at this point because we've literally been saying this since before anybody knew his name. But he's very talented. And it is completely obvious to the point where, again, not only did he charm Donald Trump, but when you have moderate, rich media women on the view fawning over you, eating out of the palm of your hand, that is as you're already in office, not even before you're in office, but they've seen a couple of weeks of your administration.
12:26I mean, we'll see how long it lasts, but that in and of itself is obvious evidence of a generational political talent. Now, what he did not get yet, Kathy Hochul's budget just came out and it includes none of the increases in taxes on the rich that he wants to fund his agenda. He's facing a significant looming shortfalls. So that is going to be a big fight playing out in Albany over the next weeks and months. But so she's she's her opening bid is nothing, even though she's funding his universal child care program. But to go beyond that, he's going to need these tax increases. And he can't do them on his own.
13:08Well, we'll obviously continue to follow that story. No question about it. Welcome to the A building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. had both been assassinated, and Black America was at a breaking point. Rioting and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's alma mater, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in Black history, Martin Luther King Sr. and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution, I mean, people were dying.
13:471968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should. And it will blow your mind. Listen to The A Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It seems like just yesterday that the Two Guys Five Rings podcast was in Paris for the Olympics. And now we're heading to Milan for the 2026 Milan Cortina Olympic Winter Games. I'm Bowen Yang. And I'm Matt Rogers. And we'll join athletes from 93 countries as Two Guys Five Rings hits the Italian Alps for the 2026 Milan Cortina Olympic Winter Games.
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15:08NLP, a.k.a. Neuro Linguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain. It's about engineering consciousness. Mind Games is the story of NLP. It's crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it at a New Age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all? NLP might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Another story that we've been following, Ryan, is the plight of Miss Rachel.
15:52Yeah, so actually Zoran and Miss Rachel started his term off by pushing for universal pre-K by visiting a preschool class. One of the other things that Miss Rachel made a crusade of recently was to try to save a soccer field in the West Bank that the IDF claimed absurdly was constructed illegally. The entire occupation of the West Bank is illegal. and they said they're going to demolish this soccer field, which is used by hundreds of kids every day in this kind of barren hellscape, one of the few places where they can get some normalcy, get some exercise, get some camaraderie. IDF is saying that they're going to destroy it.
16:42Miss Rachel stepped in to try to defend the kids' soccer pitch. Let's roll this from her. Hi, friends. It's Miss Rachel. I'm so happy to see you in your beautiful soccer field. We are going to do everything we can to help save the field and that every child has the right to play soccer and that you deserve to have your wonderful field. We are so sad about what's happening in the field and what's happening in the camp. Thank you for supporting us and standing with us and thank you so much. We love you. I am so proud to be one of the people supporting you and I know we've heard from some really, really big things are happening and I really believe in my heart that the field will be saved.
17:29So it was Miss Rachel versus the IDF. Miss Rachel won. Put up this for now. Put up this next element here. So Swiss MPs also teamed up with Miss Rachel to put pressure on the Israeli government to urge them not to demolish this. This fight is playing out in the context of UEFA threatening to kick Israel out of European Soccer League, which would be kind of cataclysmic culturally to Israel. Israel has fought back. There was supposed to be a critical vote yesterday. It got delayed until later in January. There's this organization called Game Over Israel that is trying to get them kicked out of UEFA, FIFA, get them.
18:22And the argument that they're making in Switzerland is that Israeli teams that are based in the West Bank are just functionally illegal. And that you can't have, you would, you know, UEFA's own tax status is put into jeopardy by collaborating with teams that are blatantly violating the law. Like you can't, like it's illegal. Like the occupation is illegal. It just is. And you're participating in the occupation by allowing these Israeli clubs to play in UEFA. So they have this kind of sword hanging over their neck of getting kicked out of soccer league. The fact that they would even get this close to demolishing the soccer field when there's so much pressure in Europe to kick them out of the soccer league and they don't want to be kicked out of the soccer league is kind of a remarkable piece of evidence about how much confidence they have in their position.
19:26It's like, is it really that important for you to destroy this little soccer pitch? it's that like it bothers you this much that these kids are playing soccer on this field that you're willing to make it more likely that you're going to be kicked out of European soccer really like that that's insane right like just from a rational perspective of Israel's own strategic interests that's nuts and so the only way to explain it is just a level of like hostility to these kids just having fun on the soccer field well and we can put this drop site report up the next headline uh it's israel is preparing land in rafa to corral palestinians into an area under full military occupation the reason that i think it's worth uh putting that up in the context of the conversation we're just having about miss rachel is i to your point about the interests the political interests of Israel, Ryan, I think it's the explanation is that they don't want any, I mean, they want everything.
20:35They want everything. It's, you know, understandably from their, if you're putting yourself in the minds ideologically of them, they want total buffer. And though they don't always say it aloud, what that means is literally all of the land and taking everybody else out. And so I think that's, I think, probably maybe a more honest explanation for why they don't seed even a soccer team in the West Bank. Yeah. Yes. And so the whole piece is worth going through. And we teamed up with Forensic Architecture to put the piece together. They are expert at analyzing kind of satellite imagery to figure out what's going on over time.
21:20And what they're finding there is that in this roughly one square kilometer area in Rafa, which they completely control, they took over an area that was mostly still intact. Like despite the kind of apocalyptic scenes you see over the rest of the Gaza Strip, there were still a lot of greenhouses. There were still a lot of homes that were still up. They bulldozed all these homes. They then cleared out all the rubble. They then and they have now compacted the ground in a way that experts say is prepping the ground for development of housing. They currently control about 53 percent of the Gaza Strip that they're occupying east of what they call the Yellow Line.
22:07And the suggestion here is that you're going to have this military base. You'll have this housing completely surrounded. founded, you will allow Palestinians to come from the west of the yellow line where they're still being kind of starved and shot at, bombed and denied medical care and say, look, you don't like this? You want to live? Then come on over here. You will have a roof over your head. They're not even letting tents in for the most part, let alone the reconstruction that was promised as part of the ceasefire. It's like, oh, you don't like living outside for three straight years? Come on over here live inside this prison camp basically um and then gradually then creep the 53 to 55 60s and push until you control uh the entire thing that seemed that seems to be the plan that is uh that is unfolding in the in the face of trump's board of peace which has a kind of a different vision complimentary but a different vision well that's the the next element we have here uh speaking of Trump's different vision for his board of peace.
23:14E4, let's put this up on the screen. You may have heard this news by now, but I'm eager to get Ryan's reaction to it. Vladimir Putin was reportedly invited to join the Gaza peace board by Donald Trump. Plus a billion dollars. What's the Tony Blair involvement in this? He's like the boss of it. He's basically Larry Ellison's proxy on the board. So the board is off to a hell of a start. Yeah. Yeah. And he's, It costs a billion dollars to join. He was, he apparently invited Lula, a bunch of, Mark Carney, the Canadian. Who is in a bitter feud with us at the moment. He's going to join. They asked if he'd pay the billion dollars.
23:58And he said, well, we will contribute as long as, and we will contribute things that will go to the benefit of the Palestinian people. Like whether in kind or cash or whatever. in other words he's like I'm not going to write Donald Trump a check for a billion dollars because Trump seems to like seems to be kind of like just write that out to DJT. Just buy it in the meme coin just buy a little billion dollars in the meme coin will do and he's and he also said and it has to be exclusive to Gaza because the UN shockingly did actually bless this board of peace so people who want there to be this idea of international law can say, well, the UN did actually vote to approve this.
24:44Security Council voted for this. That's fine. What Trump wants to do is have it also run Venezuela, who God only knows what else. Well, he talked a little bit about this at that White House briefing yesterday. He got a question about it. And this is how far he went. Let's roll Do you want your Board of Peace to replace the UN? Well, it might. I mean, the UN just hasn't been very helpful. I'm a big fan of the UN potential, but it has never lived up to its potential. The UN should have settled every one of the wars that I settled. I never went to them. I never even thought to go to them. They should be able to settle those wars.
25:27I believe you got to let the UN continue because the potential is so great. Ryan, I don't think you're any defender of the UN's efficacy in this particular conflict. So maybe in the vacuum here, you have the pendulum swinging in another direction. Yeah, Trump seems to want to replace the UN with whatever this is. He seems completely open to that. Meanwhile, Israel is clearing the way for that. If you can put up E6 here, this VO, the Israeli government took a bulldozer to the UN headquarters in Jerusalem, the UNRWA headquarters. It's like just an utterly incredible scene. This is the chief relief agency tasked with providing education, housing, food, medical care to Palestinian refugees in Gaza, in the West Bank, in Jordan, in Syria.
26:36And they just destroyed it. The UN put out, Guterres put out a statement condemning it. But like the contrast between a statement condemning it versus the visual of them just going in and knocking it down into the ground is quite striking. It's in the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood, which was the neighborhood actually where Israel was evicting a bunch of Palestinians back in 2021, if you remember. And Hamas said if they didn't stop, they would shoot rockets at Israel over it. And that's what started that 2021 war. So let's take Trump both literally and seriously on this UN point and pull it through it a little bit more.
27:26What happens if Trump's peace board does step into the UN power vacuum? obviously with Tony Blair, as we were just discussing, not merely in the background, but really at the forefront of what the operation would look like, you can guess which side of the conflict it's going to be favorable to, even if Donald Trump has kind of a real politic, pragmatic approach overall. If they step into the power vacuum here, Ryan, what do you think that looks like ultimately? I mean, we don't even know what the board looks like, to be fair, But it sounds to me like you have a lot of freelancing from people who are ultimately going to be leaning in one direction.
28:15They also seem to be forgetting that the Palestinian people still exist and Hamas still exists. Like this is, you can wish them away. They reached a ceasefire. Israel has violated the ceasefire basically on a daily basis killing multiple people a day since it went into effect but Hamas is still there so like what's like how do you they seem to be trying to just skip over that part of it skipping to a place where they'd like to be because they won the war and eradicated Hamas right in that 53 % they did and they've completely leveled it yeah but what did Blinken say as Biden was leaving office that they'd reconstituted the same number of fighters as at the beginning and they rely on unexploded Israeli ordinance for their explosives homemade a lot of homemade ammunition in that sense so like I don't It just seems like kind of fantasy stuff.
29:28Yeah. Well, we'll see where it goes from here. Ryan, we have a guest who is joining us now. Let's get to him. Welcome to the A-Building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. have both been assassinated. And Black America was at a breaking point. Rioting and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's alma mater, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in Black history, Martin Luther King Sr. and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution.
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30:12I mean, people were dying. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should. And it will blow your mind. Listen to The A Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Seems like just yesterday that the Two Guys Five Rings podcast was in Paris for the Olympics. And now we're heading to Milan for the 2026 Milan Cortina Olympic Winter Games. I'm Bowen Yang. And I'm Matt Rogers. And we'll join athletes from 93 countries as Two Guys Five Rings hits the Italian Alps for the 2026 Milan Cortina Olympic Winter Games.
31:00Open your free iHeartRadio app. Did we mention it's free? Search Two Guys Five Rings and listen now. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. NLP, aka Neuro Linguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology.
31:40Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain. It's about engineering consciousness. Mind Games is the story of NLP, its crazy cast of disciples, and the fake doctor who invented it at a New Age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all? NLP might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, so joining us now to discuss all this is Zeeshan Hafiz, who's running for Congress in Texas's 33rd district. Zeeshan, thanks so much for joining us.
32:22Thank you for the opportunity. It's a pleasure to be here. And thank you for the amazing journalistic work that you all do. Oh, man, buttering us up to start. This is going to go smoothly, I see. I truly mean it. I truly mean it. You're doing a great service for the progressive cause across the country, and I truly do appreciate it. Emily doesn't like to hear that for sure. Oh, the conservatives would say that I do a great service for the progressive cause. You do. You do. You do too, Emily. Oh, man. Oh, man. Now she's in trouble. So the reason we wanted to have you on is because you're kind of a different kind of congressional candidate.
32:53And so in the 33rd District right now, it's basically a three-way race. you're in third place. But the reason we think you have at least a fighting chance in there is that you have two members of Congress or is Colin Allred now a former member of Congress at this point? Technically former member. So you have Julie Johnson, who's a Democrat, and Colin Allred, who's also a Democrat, former football player who was going to run for Senate, but then kind of got elbowed out of that race and is now running against Julie Johnson in this kind of redrawn district. So Texas, as we all saw famously, redrew its districts, just like California's mother states did to try to goose the number of Republicans that could win in the state.
33:40So they're kind of cramming all the Democrats they can into the race. And my read is that if it was just you against a known member of Congress, then that's a pretty tough fight. You against two members of Congress who might split that kind of establishment vote could potentially let you slip into a runoff because Texas has this runoff system where if nobody gets 50%, the top two go into the runoff. So we just put up E6 again for a second to let you know what we were talking about kind of earlier in the show. This is in the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood of Jerusalem. The Israeli government just literally destroying UNRWA's headquarters.
34:25This is the UN agency in charge of doing relief, education, and health care for Palestinian refugees in Gaza, West Bank, in Syria, in Jordan, and so on. And so I'm curious, what role, first of all, are you taking AIPAC money? That's the Jennifer Welch question that every candidate now gets asked. And what role is Israel's ongoing genocide playing in congressional races now that we're in a kind of era of a so-called ceasefire? Absolutely. First off, it's not a ceasefire. There's been over 1 ,400 violations of the ceasefire. There have been over 500 people killed in Gaza, over 250 people killed in the West Bank.
35:15Those are just very conservative estimates. So I would not say there is a ceasefire by any means. The genocide continues. Absolutely, you can tell by the fact that I'm using the term genocide that I absolutely refuse AIPAC and all pro-Israel money. My two opponents, Julie Johnson and Colin Allred, have received a combined$700 ,000 from AIPAC and the pro-Israel lobby. And the fact of the matter is we need people in Congress right now that are willing to be on the right side of history, not only with the genocide. I think if you look at Colin and Julie, they're both establishment Democrats, as you mentioned.
35:48But on top of that, they do not stand on the side of abolishing ICE. They did not stand on the side of fighting for the affordability crisis with real solutions, like a real living wage of$20 per hour, affordable housing for all, providing universal health care through Medicare for all. These are real progressive issues. And the fact is that District 33 is now a district that Kamala Harris won by 32 points. And on top of that, this is a very low turnout district. In 2024, there was only 22 ,000 total votes in the Democratic primary. And in 2022, there was only 24 ,000 votes. It's a very low turnout race, a historic race where we have a progressive challenger up against two establishment Democrats who are both bought and paid for by the pro-Israel lobby.
36:32Well, the point about turnout rates is really important. That's insane. 22 ,000. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, is that are you sensing that this issue is what energizes or one of many issues, but probably one of the primary issues that energizes people to get involved in campaigns like yours and then to end up actually voting? I mean, primaries can be low energy, low turnout and all of that. So when you're trying to squeeze in in a race like this, do you find that's what right now when you're out there campaigning? This is one of those things that gets people going. Emily, this is the one issue that gets standing ovations, that gets the crowd excited, that gets people excited.
37:12Because I am the only one that's calling it. Do you find it's a lot of younger people? It's younger people. It's older people. It's people of color. It's everyone. Anyone of conscience. I think that numbers have said that 92 % of Democrats are against Israeli military actions in Gaza and what's happening. A lot of people are starting to see that it's a genocide. And I think this is a defining line and a defining moment in the Democratic Party this year that people, the primary voters will not support APEC-sponsored candidates anymore. And I think this is also a moment, to your point, Emily, where young voters are getting very excited because they want to do something about what's happening over there.
37:49They have seen the genocide unfurl on their social media in ways that have never happened in modern history and any other sort of action. So this is something that's not only energizing young voters, but it's energizing minorities and progressive voters, the labor union. A lot of folks are very excited about this. And my opponents, both Julie Johnson and Colin Allred, refuse to call it a genocide. One of my opponents refuses to even talk about it. She refuses to even discuss Palestine in any of the public forums that we're at, even though just last week she approved$3.3 billion more to go and commit this genocide on her name when Americans are dealing with an affordability crisis at home.
38:28You know, I've heard people say, and I think Ta-Nehisi Coates put it best when he said something like, people care about the issue because of the human cost, the human toll, but it's also a proxy for whether or not you're willing to kind of fight for anything at all. I think his quote was something like, if you're not willing to draw the line at genocide, how can I trust you to, you know, fight for democracy. So with that being said, in this Dallas district, what is the thing that people want you to be fighting for back in Dallas? Like, what is the thing that is animating people right now? I mean, there are a number of issues locally that are mattering to the local people in Dallas.
39:06One of the things is rapid transit. DART has recently been defunded by multiple cities within the Dallas-Fort Worth area. The federal government must come in and build a real transit system for Dallas-Fort Worth. But on top of that, it's the standard things that matter to Americans all across the country. Imagine if we were able to invest in a Green New Deal. The reason why we don't have a Green New Deal for Dallas-Fort Worth is we've been represented by people that are bought and sold by the oil lobby. I'm proud not only to be endorsed first by citizens against APAC corruption, but also citizens against big oil and track oil packs.
39:43So the fact of the matter is that we have a government that is being bought and sold and run by corporations, by foreign lobbies and by the billionaires. And I think the average American today is hurting. There's an affordability crisis and they are having trouble not only paying rent, but affording groceries and taking care of the fundamentals to take care of their family. They would rather have someone who's going to fight for free public education, someone who's going to make sure that we have free public universities, free public trade schools and free public colleges like they have in Europe and invest in kindergarten and 12th grade by providing actual increases to teacher pay.
40:19I think that in this country, it's a sham that ICE agents get$50 ,000 signing bonuses, while teachers are lucky to get$1 ,000 to$3 ,000 to go in very specialized fields. And teachers start out at pays that are less than$50 ,000, whereas ICE agents are making six figures. I think that's unacceptable, and our nation has the wrong priorities because we have politicians that are not willing to start fights on the right issues. Well, speaking of that, actually, let's put this post from Lindsey Graham up on the screen. This is E9. Over the conflict in Syria right now, Lindsey Graham has said, there's use of military force by the new Syrian government against Syrian Kurds and the SDF.
40:55That would create tremendous instability in Syria and the region and would tell me all I need to know about this new regime. If military action is taken by the Syrian government, I will do everything in my power to revive the Caesar Act sanctions, making them even more bone crushing. Now, of course, you're not running against Lindsey Graham. But right now, the Trump administration is facing criticism from Republicans and even internally that it's so focused on foreign conflicts from Venezuela to Canada to Greenland to, of course, basically all of the Trump is constantly talking about how he solved eight wars.
41:28And he just repeated today that the U.N. should have solved all of these eight wars that he solved. I noticed when we were talking about Israel earlier, you mentioned you very, I think you could tell us a little bit about this, but you pivoted to while we have an affordability crisis at home, that Republicans are doing X, Y and Z or your opponents are doing X, Y and Z while we have an affordability crisis at home. You talk a little bit about how making that connection is powerful with voters in your experience. I imagine you've noticed that's something that lands. Absolutely. Emily, that's a great point that you bring up.
42:02First off, Donald Trump has launched nine illegal invasions in the last year as a quote unquote peace president. The peace president has gone and essentially declared war on Venezuela without congressional approval, without there being a clear and imminent threat to the United States. So what he is doing is completely illegal and completely an impeachable offense. Instead of invading Venezuela, instead of fighting foreign wars, instead of potentially bombing Syria, Iran and other countries, like I'm sure Lindsey Graham and others on the extreme right wing of the Republican Party would want to do.
42:32The American people would rather us invest at home. And the fact of the matter is it's not just Republicans. It's establishment Democrats, the Julie Johnsons and Colin Allreds of the world that allow the Republicans to get away with this. Because the fact of the matter is they are bought and sold by the by AIPAC and the pro-Israel lobby. And AIPAC would love nothing less than for the United States to go and bomb Syria, bomb Iran and destabilize the Middle East. So whereas the American people would rather have someone who is going to fight for stronger unions, who is going to fight for veterans benefits.
43:03Veterans in my district are struggling. The VA is highly underfunded. Money could go to help providing better lives for the people that fought for our country. Instead of providing instead of making more veterans who are going to come back with PTSD, who are going to be under threat because we're declaring war on Iran or Syria or anywhere else. We should be instead investing in the people who have already had to survive these foreign wars, people who came back from Afghanistan, people who came back from Iraq, people who came back from Vietnam and had to deal with the same things that our government is doing again.
43:35I think the American people know where this leads us and they would rather us invest here at home. Why can't we do things like what Bernie Sanders has proposed and invest in millions and millions of affordable housing units so we can fight a real war? The war that we should be fighting is the war on homelessness. One of my local communities here has recently passed a resolution to ban homelessness. That is not a real solution. We should be fighting a war on homelessness by building affordable housing units all across the country so that everyone can live a dignified life under a roof under their head and their family's heads.
44:09That's what's important to the American people right now. Well, Zeeshan Hafiz, thanks so much for joining us and good luck in your race. We'll be tracking it. When's the primary? The primary actually starts with early voting on February 17th. It goes from February 17th to the 27th. The actual election is on March 3rd. And we hope to take down two pro-Zionist, pro-Israel, AIPAC-sponsored corporate establishment Democrats and bring a progressive blue wave. It happened in 2016, after 2016, when Donald Trump first came into power. And we hope that it will come again in reaction to his most recent attack on our government, on our democracy, on our civil rights.
44:49Yeah, I mean, and it's one of those weird situations where it's doable in the sense that like in Joe Crowley versus AOC, his election, I think 40 ,000 people, maybe actually something like 40 ,000 people voted. Like it's not many at all. This is way less than that. This is even less than that, yeah. Joe Crowley was actually about to be the Speaker of the House. He was one of the most powerful people in Congress. I'm going up against a one-term congressperson and someone who hasn't been in Congress who could not win a Senate seat. So this is an entirely winnable seat. And the American people, the people of District 33, are tired of these politicians that are being bought by corporations, being bought by foreign interests, and are not taking care of the American people at home and fighting for the issues that matter to the American people.
45:31So I encourage everyone who's interested in learning more about our campaign to visit our website, www.zshanfortexas.com. We'd love for you to phone bank, contribute, be involved. We're going to win this race. We're going to turn this country. If this country is going to go blue, if there's a plus 32 Democratic district, we don't need another corporate centrist Democrat. We need a true progressive who's going to fight for the values and start fights for us to go and support the American people and fight the real crisis, the crisis real home, the crisis of the affordability crisis. All right. Let's see if there's 10 ,000 people.
46:02It's not that many people out of a district of 700 ,000. We're saying 15 ,000 to be conservative based off of a 30 ,000 vote total. It's less than 10 ,000 just to get to a runoff because of the three candidates in this race. It's not that many people. And if you look historically, there's not many races across the country where it's just so few votes. So this is a great chance to be involved in some real progress with someone who's not going to fight for corporations, won't take a single cent from corporate PACs or anything else, who will end Citizens United and corporations' control over our government, and instead return the power to the only interest that matters, the interests of the American people.
46:38All right. Thank you, Zeeshan. Up next, we're going to be doing updates from the conflict in Sudan. Stick around for that, please. Thank you so much. Welcome to the A-Building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. have both been assassinated. And Black America is at a breaking point. Rioting and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's alma mater, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in Black history, Martin Luther King Sr. and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson.
47:16To be in what we really thought was a revolution, I mean, people were dying. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should. And it will blow your mind. Listen to The A Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Seems like just yesterday that the Two Guys Five Rings podcast was in Paris for the Olympics. And now we're heading to Milan for the 2026 Milan Cortina Olympic Winter Games. I'm Bowen Yang.
47:58And I'm Matt Rogers. And we'll join athletes from 93 countries as Two Guys Five Rings hits the Italian Alps for the 2026 Milan Cortina Olympic Winter Games. Open your free iHeartRadio app. Did we mention it's free? Search Two Guys Five Rings and listen now. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.
48:37Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. NLP, aka Neuro Linguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain. It's about engineering consciousness. Mind Games is the story of NLP. It's crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it at a New Age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all? NLP might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
49:22Saudi Arabia has announced a deal with the Sudanese government to start buying its gold. We put up F1 here. So last year, something like 99 % of Sudanese gold was sold to the United Arab Emirates, which is basically a crime family that masquerades as a country that engages in a lot of money laundering and other services that are useful to Western governments and crime syndicates. about most of that gold, like the bulk of it, was sold through the black market. But even the gold that was sold through the regular market went through the UAE. Sudan is one of the countries that has kind of the greatest kind of stores of gold remaining.
50:17Gold prices over the last year have surged. Like if you were a gold bug, the last 5, 10, 15, 20, it's been a good run for you for a very long time. So now Saudi Arabia, as it's going through its hot war and its fallout with the UAE, is announcing that it's going to send the Sudanese, it's going to purchase Sudanese gold and put it through its own kind of processing facilities that it has in Saudi Arabia. This is all part of the crack up between these one time allies in the Gulf that is entirely reshaping relations everywhere from Africa into Asia. The UAE is backing the United Arab Emirates. They're backing what's called the RSF, Rapid Support Forces, which is if you remember the Janjaweed from the Darfur conflict back in 20 years ago.
51:17They're basically a derivative of the Janjaweed, which they carried out of genocide then. They're doing it again now. The UAE is arming them to the hilt. You put up F2. They even got into a border clash with Chad and are sort of apologizing for that. They're realizing they're kind of overstepping things a little bit here as their patrons are coming under intense pressure. Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have teamed up to offer like a billion plus weapons package to the Sudanese army. If that comes through and the RSF's supply chains are cut off, it's going to be difficult for them to keep carrying out the assault that they're under, the offensive that is underway in Sudan now.
52:11Well, and give us the big picture ripple effect potentially of this as well. We can put the next element on the screen. This is from Reuters. And this was just from Monday. India UAE signed$3 billion liquid natural gas deal, agreed to boost trade and defense ties at leaders meeting. That's the Reuters headline, Ryan. Um, the international, I mean, it's, it's, it's crazy to see the, uh, it's not crazy. It's, it's predictable, but a proxy conflict like this bring in even bigger players than just Saudi and UAE. I mean, it's, it's all over, um, pitting people all over the world against each other in a proxy conflict that is primarily between them.
52:52Yeah. Yeah, exactly. This war between Saudi and the UAE really started in Yemen and then rolled into Sudan, where in Sudan it has taken the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. But yeah, to now rope in India, the way to think about it is that Pakistan and India could, oil and water, could not hate each other anymore. And so as Saudi Arabia has linked up with Pakistan and tightened its relationship a couple, was it weeks ago, maybe a month ago or more, inked a security agreement with Pakistan, which gives Saudi Arabia then the kind of nuclear umbrella of the Pakistani nuclear weapons. weapons so that they're tightening their relationship and so then as Saudi Arabia and the UAE fall out the UAE links up um with with India they also have um ideological sympathy with each other the UAE ironically is as as like hostile to Islam as as as a quote-unquote Muslim country could possibly be like they're out funding Tommy Robinson to go around like attacking Muslims Like, they're constantly whipping up Islamophobia in Europe.
54:13Like, the UAE, like, it's... I know, like, if you're just coming to this fresh, you're like, wait a minute, what? Well, yeah, it's strange, right? They're doing what? And there's, like, Arab Spring origins of this Muslim Brotherhood. Yeah, the UAE hates the Muslim Brotherhood, hates Qatar, which they call, like, an outcropping of Muslim Brotherhood. And they felt like the Arab Spring, which was pushing for democracy in the Gulf, was a direct threat to their autocratic rule, which, of course, it was. It is. They're like a couple thousand people ruling over this extraordinary amount of wealth and people and migrant labor.
54:54Like it's like apartheid doesn't even do justice to the level of inequality, political and legal and financial and economic that exists in their country. So they see any of that as a threat. They led the coup to overthrow Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Egypt is now teamed up with actually Saudi Arabia in the Sudanese conflict. And so India also, and Modi in particular, they have as much hostility to Muslims as the UAE does. So there's some ideological affinity there. But more importantly, there's the money. Like India is a growing economy, needs energy. UAE has energy to spare. UAE can also do, like I was saying, like all sorts of financial services in the gray area that allow for that kind of world to flourish.
56:03And to make sense of it, we can put up F4 again. I heard from people last week who said that this map was actually like very helpful. It's not as if this is the first time that anybody has seen a map, but like in the news, for whatever reason, and also in our history books when we learn about these things, the kind of – the players are talked about as if they're all kind of sitting in a bar together rather than like laid out geographically in important ways and in ways that like are – define the relationships. So you have the Red Sea here, which is the critical waterway that runs through the Suez Canal into the Mediterranean and then also through the Gulf of Aden.
56:52So along that, that's everything. Like control of the world in some ways kind of runs through there. And so that's why Saudi and the UAE were fighting for the southern tip of Yemen. It's why both China and the U.S. have or does China still have a base in Djibouti? I know they did for a long time. But the U.S. has a massive military base in Djibouti. The, you know, Eritrea is split off from Ethiopia there. Ethiopia has no access to the Red Sea. Sudan has a bunch of ports along the Red Sea, which are which are critical to both Saudi Arabia and the UAE. and there obviously you have the border there between Egypt and Sudan.
57:38And also just look at how massive Sudan is. I mean it's just it's a huge huge country. And it used to be bigger the one you're looking at the bottom there is South Sudan which is which was broken off after the last the last genocide that unfolded back in the 2000s. Just full of resources. I mean we just we were talking about gold prices earlier but that's I mean it's not just gold. It's like we were talking about India. It's the liquid natural gas. It is. And to the west of Egypt there, you've got Libya. And so the UAE was building its ports throughout the Red Sea, was building its strength in Yemen and also in Libya because they basically run Libya now through Haftar.
58:16And so they basically had encircled Saudi Arabia. And there was then a clash in Yemen between Emirati and Saudi proxies. And after that, Saudi Arabia then attacked the Emiratis. And here we are with this continuing to play out. So now here comes India kind of inking this strategic deal with the UAE.
58:47Meanwhile, if the ICC is still allowed to do business, is it? No. Or just not against Israel? I mean, I guess we'll see, but was it ever really even allowed to do this? In Africa. In fact, there was this incredible quote. Yeah, that's true. This incredible quote from, it was obviously Lindsey Graham, who on a call with Kareem Khan, who was the chief prosecutor at the ICC, said, what are you doing going after? We can find the exact quote, but it was like, what are you doing going after Israel? The ICC is set up for African dictators. For Africa. For Africans. It's just. And so the ICC, within its remit apparently, says it is indeed going to try to bring charges against the RSF.
59:34Let's roll F5. Mr. President, excellencies, since I last addressed this counsel, the situation in Darfur has darkened even further. Darfuris, as we speak, are being subjected to collective torture. Rape, arbitrary detention, executions, mass graves, all perpetrated on a massive scale. This criminality is being repeated in town after town in Darfur. It will continue until this conflict and the sense of impunity that fuels it are stopped. The fighting is continuing despite the ICC. You can put up F6 here. This is also from DropSite. Intense fighting erupted on the north Kordofan-Kartoum border as the Sudanese armed forces and the RSF clashed fiercely for control of the strategic Amdurman-Bara export road, a key supply route linking central Sudan with western fronts.
1:00:40A large RSF force launched a surprise assault along the road with heavy artillery and drones used by both sides. Sudanese army units reportedly repelled the attack, inflicting significant losses on the RSF, while both sides continue to contest this vital quarter. This is all, if you can see that map there, headed towards a conflict over El Obeyed, which, as we said last week, estimates are somewhere between half a million to a million people sheltering. And if the ICC is announced, by the way, that it's prosecuting atrocities committed in El Fasher, which is the we talked about last week, could have been up to 150 ,000 people killed in El Fasher.
1:01:24which is an absolutely staggering number. Especially for the media coverage, by the way. Yes, compare that in your own mind. It's double the number of Palestinians killed as far as we know. The official death count in Gaza is half what the upper estimates are in the Al-Fasher massacre. And El Obeyed, if the RSF manages to take control, could see an even bloodier massacre. occur. And meanwhile, the famine and the health collapse continues. You put up F7, also from DropSite. The Sudan Doctors Network warns that the health system in South Kordofan is near collapse after more than two years of siege and ongoing fighting.
1:02:20Kadugli, it said, has five government hospitals and 10 health centers. About 50 % of facilities are out of service or operating at half capacity. Many have shut down entirely due to shortages of staff, medical supplies, and blood bags. The network warns the siege and where have made basic health care increasingly inaccessible for civilians. Just, I mean, to your point about the reaction to Gaza and the reaction to this, I mean, I think we covered Gaza constantly. And that's partially because we tend to think these things. We're funding it. Yeah, we're funding it. But we tend to think these things are important when you have mass levels of human suffering that is just ongoing and in the shadow of the world media's attention.
1:03:15That's how this stuff happens. Yeah, and in this case, the way that I would explain it as mattering to the United States is that the UAE is driving this in a significant way. Yeah. And the UAE is a top ally of the United States. We have empowered them throughout their rise into this, but they're becoming this little miniature power center on their own. But they are entirely vulnerable to American action. A little tiny push. if you cut off one flight from New York to Dubai or London to Dubai one a day it's reduced one a day like what they would absolutely freak out this is before you get into sanctions or investigations or anything else well but just just backing off a time you know what you know completely purchased all of Washington and has bought off basically every college and university in the United States that matters.
1:04:32So we'll talk about it, but nobody else is going to. I mean, I was just going to say the way that Donald Trump likes to do business. Yeah, they bought him. Well, years ago. I mean, I think there's been a Trump Tower in Dubai since like 2005, but I'm looking at a Forbes headline now from October. And the headline is, this Gulf nation is powering Trump's money-making machine. And here's a sentence from it. Eight years later, from 2017, the UAE, home to the metropolises of Dubai and Abu Dhabi, has become a hub for the Trump organization's international expansion. So, again, just saying and reiterating your point about the level of pressure that UAE is sensitive to, there are a lot of different pressure points just from the way Donald Trump likes to do business as president, meaning he has business deals in places that he likes to then pressure politically geopolitically so there are a lot of different avenues uh for for change in this situation but right and the thing that you would you would think given that you'd be like oh well this is this is baked like they've completely bought the president and all of our institutions no not necessarily like the only thing that makes it a live fight is that saudi arabia is against them right now and also has bought everybody.
1:05:46Yep. So someone's going to have to pay a little more money. It's a mafia racket. Yeah, we got a fair fight. Yeah, you're going to have to have to pony up a little bit more. Well, Ryan, thanks for continuing to cover this at DropSite and thanks for continuing to push for these updates every week on Wednesdays. That is going to do it for us today. And I will be gone next week. I think I'll be in Monday with Sagar because then I'm going to New Mexico. Oh, fish. To see a little bit of fish. So I'll see you down there. All right. Well, yeah, if you're in Mexico, you'll see Ryan. And if you're a premium subscriber, you'll see us in just a bit on the live Ask Me Anything that we're about to broadcast here from the studio.
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1:07:01And then we'll do another one of these the week after when you're back tan, rested, and ready for fish. There you go. See you then, everyone.
1:07:22It seems like just yesterday that the Two Guys Five Rings podcast was in Paris for the Olympics. And now we're heading to Milan for the 2026 Milan Cortina Olympic Winter Games. I'm Bowen Yang. And I'm Matt Rogers. And we'll join athletes from 93 countries as Two Guys Five Rings hits the Italian Alps for the 2026 Milan Cortina Olympic Winter Games. Open your free iHeartRadio app. Did we mention it's free? Search Two Guys Five Rings and listen now. 1969, Malcolm and Martin are gone. America is in crisis. At a Morehouse College, the students make their move. These students, including a young Samuel L.
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