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24:59Yeah, even though, as you were saying, some of the predatory tactics the industry uses have been covered. I think there are certain details I was able to find that'll blow people away, particularly things that people within the industry admitted, saying their advertising is untruthful. They're suggesting that you can win, but you can't. That was from the former CEO of FanDuel. Another high up at FanDuel told me that the way that parlays just annihilate customers reminded him of when he was a military contractor, helping warships be more lethal. And he sort of had ambivalence about, you know, he wants to help FanDuel make money, but is destroying customers is at that rate really the right thing to be doing.

25:47So a lot of revelations from all sorts of people around this field, but I'm particularly proud that so many people within the industry wanted to speak up for this book. So can you dig into that a little bit more for people who haven't followed it closely? When you have the former FanDuel CEO, you said, saying, we tell people they can win, but really you can't. What do they mean specifically by that? What do they do to engineer the outcome where over a long period of like you are not going to win in any significant amount anyway? Right. So as much as the house always wins is such an axiom of the gambling business, there's something about sports betting where you think I know my team or my league better than whoever's setting the odds.

26:32I can outsmart them. And the advertising from these companies totally reinforces that. It's so on the nose that they're saying betting on sports is a way to make money. Surveys of customers back that up. And yet it goes beyond the house edge. I remember speaking with someone who was an executive at a company that builds these micro bets. So nowadays you can not only bet on who's going to win or even prop bets, like how many touchdowns will my favorite quarterback throw. but literally every play has become an opportunity for betting. Will this play result in a score or not? Things like that. And this guy who's a micro betting executive said, we recognize that fans are predisposed to think positive outcomes will happen.

27:21So you're going to hope your team scores more than you're going to hope they punt in a football game. And we're going to shade the odds, as they put it, so that those positive outcomes pay out less. and he sort of thought about it for a moment and said we're kind of taxing the casuals uh with that shading and i just thought man the leagues and even these sports books have said betting is a way to enhance fandom it just makes you more on the edge of your seat you know more locked into the game at the same time they're very explicitly taking advantage of your weaknesses as a fan uh just to drive up their margins so that you know as basic as it is uh was telling i thought of just how this industry works and how ruthless they can be.

28:07Danny, some of the things that I have tried to hammer home specifically about this parlay bet is that many people have an antiquated notion about sports gambling as if it's exactly the same as it used to be, let's say whenever it was illegal. The truth is, is that these specific types of parlays, multi-player bets, two touchdowns, combinations have never existed before. And they are by far the most profitable engine for these gambling companies. You said that they remind people of a war executive, for example, of annihilating the enemy. And the profits actually bear that out for these companies.

28:41Could you detail what you found specifically about these parlay bets, which are the most popular on all of these platforms, and how they work to specifically exploit many of these fans? Right. I'm glad you brought that up because there's a lot of ways in which the industry will say, there's always been illegal betting. We've just brought it out of the black market. And sure, there's some truth to that, but the online betting industry is a whole new ballgame, partly because just betting on your phone, 95 % of this business is now conducted online. So online betting opens the doors to such more complexity with how you're betting.

29:18And the menu of things you can bet on has just exploded where there are thousands of things you can bet on within a single game. Parlays are now all some people bet on, especially young people. The idea that you can combine a bunch of things. If they all hit, you'll make a lot of money. You know, you might bet$10 for the chance at winning$300. You could understand how appealing that is. But 30 % of bets are parlays and about 60 % of revenue comes from parlays. They tend to hold for every$100 you bet, the house holds about$30 in revenue. The traditional margin for sports betting was like$5 for every hundred wagered.

30:02And what that same guy used to work at FanDuel, his name is Nick Bonadio. So I'm happy a lot of guys put their names behind these quotes, said, customers have this assumption that I'll bet that$10 bet to win$300. And if I hit one of those bets, it's going to pay for all my losers. It doesn't work that way. The odds are so bad for those bets over time. It's why it's so profitable. He said, and I remember this quote, he said, not to be condescending, but I think maybe 5 % of customers understand that, understand that the odds are actually so bad that these are sucker bets, essentially. And yet, as I was saying, it's sometimes exclusively how people now wager on sports.

30:46Let's talk a little bit more, too, about prop bets where you can not just bet on the outcome of the game, but you can bet on how much one particular player is going to score in one particular quarter. I mean, with these very specific things. And of course, that makes it easier for those players and people who are involved in the league to get in on, you know, rigging those bets. So how widespread is this? And how much is it undercut the legitimacy of the games that we're watching? Totally. I mean, you know, the most notorious fixing scandal is the 1919 World Series, eight members of the Chicago White Sox throwing baseball's championship.

31:27People say, you know, there would never be another Black Sox scandal. That's true, but you'd never, you wouldn't need eight players now to collude, to throw the World Series in order to make a lot of money. A single bench player, as we've seen, or even a more established player than that, can influence one play through these prop bets and make a fortune for them or their friends. Emmanuel Classe, one of the top relief pitchers in baseball, was arrested at the end of last year, allegedly for just intentionally throwing a couple of pitches as balls. He texted someone from the bullpen and said, heads up, I'm going to spike a slider to start this inning.

32:07And that was very profitable, allegedly, for him and his partner in that. Again, it also relates to parlays because when you can stack those sorts of bets together, you can make hundreds of thousands of dollars on the most obscure bets. John Day Porter, the most obscure player we could think of in the NBA, a two-way bench player on the Toronto Raptors, was arrested and ultimately convicted for removing himself from a couple of games pretending he had an injury so that those prop bets on his points and rebounds and assists and things like that would go under. That was, you know, something that people were betting hundreds of thousands of dollars to win on.

32:54And I, you know, I hear bookmakers so upset about that who've been at this for a long time because they would never have dreamed of letting you stand to win hundreds of thousands of bucks on a guy like Jonte Porter. They knew that was ripe for fixing. It was so corruptible. And yet because the online business is – their biggest moneymaker is these parlays, they've rushed into offering as many ways of building parlays as possible and accepted that a price you might pay for that is the corruption of sports. Danny, can you talk about the media here? Because I think that actually might be one of the worst elements is I would be remiss to think of a single national sports personality who is not in league with the gambling companies at a basic advertising level, either direct partnership with DraftKings, FanDuel, Hard Rock Bet, any of these points bet, any prize picks.

33:53If you pick even a cultural figure, a sports-aligned figure, they are directly in league with the gambling companies. What do you think that that does for coverage of the sport? For example, had an excerpt from your book went quite viral about Bill Simmons over at The Ringer. Yeah, I'd love to get into that. But the first name that popped in my head was Bob Costas, who spoke with me. And his father had a gambling problem, he told me. And so when he was calling baseball games and they wanted him to tout parlays or read sportsbook ads, he said, I just don't feel comfortable doing that. And they gave him a pass.

34:28The takeaway, I think, is you need to be a 30-time Emmy winner, a legend of broadcasting to be able to opt out of that. It's just become a fact of life for so many journalists. But at the same time, I don't want to let people like Bill Simmons off the hook because they've made millions and millions of dollars by hawking sports books, normalizing the idea that firing all these parlays and, you know, low odds prop bets is just the way to be a sports fan nowadays. the you know the the influence of that on making this the default way of engaging with sports can't be understated a consequence of it besides just you know giving the impression that this is a harmless uh you know no big deal way of being a fan now is it also handcuffs a lot of sports outlets that could be reporting on the dangers of betting rising addiction the risks of corruption we were just talking about, all of that, you'll be watching sports networks and feel like there's a conspicuous silence about that stuff.

35:37Even with Bill Simmons, as I wrote about in the book, this guy who has burnt a reputation as this defiant truth teller when John Day Porter was arrested or when other games that I know he cares a lot about were exposed to have fixing scandals. He's very, you know, kind of tongue tied and, you know, really watching his words in a way that he doesn't typically. And I think it's because FanDuel is one of his biggest sponsors. And that's true of so much of the media. And just lastly, I'll quote a former ESPN reporter named Henry Abbott, who said, when you think about all that, sports media is really being bribed by all this advertising dollars.

36:20The bribe is we'll give you millions and millions of dollars and in exchange, don't say anything that would either embarrass these sportsbooks or embarrass the leagues for partnering with them and profiting so handsomely from this betting explosion. Talk a little bit more about that human cost. You know, how is this? You're a fallible human being and you're up against this giant business that is spending as much money as it needs to to get you hooked, to trick you, to make sure that you always lose. What is the cost that this has had for people? We're seeing addiction rates rise. The expectation for a long time had been that about one or maybe even two percent of the population is prone to a gambling problem.

37:07In states that have legalized it, health experts believe it's closer to six or eight percent. Wow. Among young men who are the target demo, it's much higher. you know as bad as that is and I tell some really heartbreaking stories in the book of the most ordinary people who seem like they're smart and know about sports and wouldn't you know get themselves in that down that road I also think that people can hear addiction stories and say well that doesn't apply to me like that's sad but I don't have a gambling problem and what we're seeing is such pervasive rates of problematic gambling, even if you don't have a clinically diagnosable problem.

37:48And what I mean by that is a third of gamblers saying they've felt ashamed after how much money they've lost. Half of gamblers saying they've lost money and then bet and bet and bet to try to make up for it, what's called chasing losses, a telltale sign of a gambling problem, half of sports bettors admit to that. You also see research that in a very scientific way has demonstrated that in states that have legalized sports betting, there are higher bankruptcy rates, worse credit scores, worse family savings. I hate to even bring this up, but higher rates of domestic violence compared to states that haven't legalized.

38:31So, you know, you might be thinking, I bet 50 bucks here, 100 bucks there. These products are engineered to get you to get carried away, to get you in over your heads. And you might look up and say, how did I lose thousands of bucks this season? That's what they are masterminds at getting you to overdo it. And that's the last thing I really wanted to get you to expound on is something I, again, try to emphasize over and over is that these companies literally could not operate if it was a level playing field. So if winners, people who are good at betting, could actually bet, then they would not be able to operate.

39:06The only way to remain highly profitable is to limit the winners, the so-called sharp bettors, and massively exploit the so-called problem gamblers who make up the vast majority of their revenue. One thing, actually, I'd love your reaction to. Can we put this E3, please, up on the screen? I mean, we have an example here of how a company in March 2024, PointsBet, raised its share of online gambling revenue in New Jersey from 11 % to 24 % after wooing a single cash customer away from DraftKings. So that is, I mean, this is what is called a whale. And another thing that you detail in your book is how many of these so-called whales, I would call them gambling addicts, which is money to lose, are showered with VIP hosts, phone calls, gifts.

39:52So could you just expound a little bit on that and how in many ways the so-called best customers, a.k.a. the addicts, are the ones who get all of these benefits supposedly while they throw away all their money. And then the people who are actually winning, as they advertise that they can do, get limited almost immediately when they join the platform. Yeah, it's so galling. You know, that single customer, I spent a lot of time trying to track down who they are because they've lost over$100 million. They're maybe the biggest loser of the legal online betting era. The closest I could get is that they have inherited oil wealth.

40:22But I don't know anything beyond that. But that side of the business catering to VIPs, as they call it, people who lose at minimum tens of thousands of dollars on a weekly basis. I've been covering this for years. I didn't even realize how huge that is, that about 2 % of customers make up 60 % or 70 % of revenue. And those people, as a result, get pampered in the most extravagant ways imaginable, particularly if you're a sports fan. Like getting to throw out the first pitch at a game, at a baseball game, getting to play pickup basketball in an NBA court, getting to have your kids take batting practice at a big league field.

41:05We could go I could go on for a really long time. It's it's nuts. But it's also ruthless because as soon as you either pull back a little bit and say, hey, I'm getting carried away. Let me chill out for a minute or you start winning. All of those perks disappear. Yes. There was one VIP in Ohio who said, I love the Pittsburgh Steelers. They're coming to Cleveland. Fanatics, would you get me seats? He's a VIP at Fanatics. They said, absolutely, we got you. The game came around. He said, hey, could you throw in a parking pass? and they said, yeah, unfortunately, we've been seeing that the way you've been betting on football no longer qualifies you to be a VIP.

41:47We had to revoke those tickets. But if you go back to the way that you were betting when we gave you these VIP privileges, maybe we can think of a way to make this up to you down the road. But he hadn't broken any rules. He was just winning. He was just winning or even just placing smart bets, and that disqualified him in their eyes. Wow. Well, the book is Everybody Loses. Danny Funt, thank you so much. So great to have your insights and congratulations. I think it's such an important topic. Thank you, Danny. Appreciate it. We'll have a link down in the description. Everybody can go purchase the book.

42:21Thanks so much. Take care. Our pleasure. All right, guys, we have some bombshell news this morning, a whistleblower coming forward and saying that ICE is training their agents to disregard decades of precedent with regard to Fourth Amendment constitutional protections. Let's go and put this up on the screen because this is incredibly significant and doesn't necessarily only apply to immigrants. So the The headline here from the AP is immigration officers assert sweeping power to enter homes without a judge's warrant, according to this memo that was revealed by a whistleblower. Let me read a little bit of this.

43:01Federal immigration officers are asserting sweeping power to forcibly enter people's homes without a judge's warrant, making a sharp reversal of longstanding guidance meant to respect constitutional limits on government searches. The memo authorizes ICE officers to use force to enter a residence based solely on a more narrow administrative warrant to arrest someone with a final order of removal, a move that advocates say collides with Fourth Amendment protections and upends years of advice given to immigrant communities. And this dovetails with what has been reported on the ground in all of these cities where you've seen an influx, a surge of these federal agents, largely ICE agents, but others besides, where they are entering people's homes.

43:46People are asking for a warrant. They are not providing one. And the difference between a judicial warrant and an administrative warrant is the judicial one is the one where you have to go and present evidence and have a judge sign off on it. An administrative warrant is basically just like a piece of paper that an ICE agent can fill out in the field. So it has long been the case that if you are going to take such an extraordinary action as forcibly entering someone's domicile, that you had to have a judge sign off saying that, yes, this is reasonable. Yes, there is sufficient evidence for you, agent of the state, to undertake this extraordinary action.

44:27that has apparently been thrown out with this Trump administration in regards to immigration. And again, there is no limiting principle here that says that this guidance contained in this memo would only apply to immigrants. Now, the way that they set it up is they say, well, we're only doing this in cases where there's a final order of removal. However, in a footnote, they acknowledge that that does not mean that they are limiting themselves exclusively to those immigrants who have a final order of removal from a judge. So they have opened the door to basically being able to raid anyone's house whenever they want to if they just have someone at ICE sign off on one of these administrative warrants.

45:12again, really puts together some of the pieces of what immigrants and activists and advocates on the ground have been saying about the conduct of ICE agents and the way that it completely conflicts with Fourth Amendment protections and the way it completely conflicts with the way immigration operations have been conducted previously. So on that note of the incredibly aggressive and unconstitutional illegal actions that are being taken by ICE agents on the ground. We were very fortunate to be joined this morning by Minneapolis parents who were tear gassed by ICE agents, and not just them, but their four children as well.

45:53Six-month-old baby in the car. They all had to go to the hospital. The baby stopped breathing. Terrifying situation. Their crime, they were on their way home from a basketball game and were in the wrong place at the wrong time. So let's go ahead and get to our guests. All right, guys, so we are very fortunate to be joined this morning by Sean and Destiny Jackson. They are the parents of those children. They were on their way home from a basketball game when they were tear gassed by ICE agents. First of all, guys, thank you so much for doing this. How are you guys doing, and how are the kids doing?

46:26I'm doing, I mean, we're doing okay. We had our follow-up appointment and stuff, and so we're having some long-lasting effects of the tear gas. So I got like some inflammation in my chest and in my nose and stuff. So I'm like on a couple of medications right now just to clear that all up so that I can have my surgery that I have to have done next week. Oh, my goodness. But the kids are they requested to go back to school. So I'm just because they didn't want to, you know, keep reliving what happened, especially with like us talking to news people and just, you know, having to do the story and stuff.

47:04So they're doing well. Sean, can you just take us through that day, where you were, what you were doing, and, you know, kind of blow by blow, what happened here? Well, that day, it was like a normal day for us.

47:25We left work, picked up kids from school, headed to our oldest son's basketball game, basketball game finished. we went to the store to get something to eat and from there on the way home we take our regular route like we do any other day and on the route we came up the hill and it was blocked off and it was only like two it was only like two ways we could go but it was both both sides of the streets was the same so it's like we always take a right at that corner anyway so we took the right in the middle of that we got I had to pull over to the side to let other cars come and I did that and I just started asking questions like what was going on and everything and in the middle of that we had seen my mother-in-law and she was like we need to get mom home just code and stuff.

48:31So I'm like, okay. So I was still asking questions and they were explaining to me what was going on. I'm like, what, somebody died? And they were like, no, ice.

48:45So, yeah. Well, in the middle of that, it just, it was a lot. Yeah. So Destiny, you all were asking people who were there what was going on and you're trying it's your mother that you're trying to to pick up she's out there in the cold you're trying to get her in the vehicle and then what happens um in the process i mean that took a while you know people are like oh your kids were in the car by themselves but they weren't in a car by themselves you know my mom actually was out my my mom had my auntie out there my auntie is actually pregnant with twins and so like she like went and I was just like asked her like could you go and sit in the car with the kids while I try to gather her up you know and um it took a while my mom's what I say is my mom's hard-headed she's like another one of my kids like and you know it was actually kind of like you know she was just trying to exercise her first event because like my mom actually lived in the neighborhood where Renee Good was you know killed and so um just five blocks away my mom stays on Portland Avenue, like 29th.

49:50So it was like, you know, and so when I guess when she heard like they were in our neighborhood, like she was just like, oh no, you know, like, so that was the reason she was out there. And, um, in a mix of being out there trying to get her to go home, you know, like you've seen me, like you can, there's videos, like you see us like standing around and stuff like that. I'm like, but we were, we were trying to get her to go home, but like, you know, like in the mix of that, I was just trying to let her do what she does, but I was not going to leave without her, you know and so like people like did like ask us questions while we were out there and stuff like that and um you know like we asked questions while we were out there and stuff too but you know it took her about 40 minutes to budge before she was like okay I'm going to go and that only happened because like people with like yellow jackets started walking up and someone like she overheard overheard someone say like it's about to go down and I'm like what's about to go down you know and And then they were like, when they come, that's when stuff starts happening.

50:45I looked at her and she's like, OK, I'll go. I'll go. And so that's when we all like started going to our cars and stuff like that. And the mix of going to our cars, we got in the car where we're starting to pull off and I started closing in. So they were coming up our exit route and they were also pushing people like from the protest behind us. So they were like kind of like gathering them up. And that's when they started throwing flashbangs and tear gas. So one question I have here is about the government's narrative. Can we put that up there on the screen, please? In a since-deleted tweet, they accused you.

51:24They said it is horrific to see radical agitators bring children to their violent riots. Please stop endangering your children. You're saying that you were on your way from a basketball game to pick up your mother in the context of all of this kind of chaos that you were caught in the crossbar. Go ahead, sir. Oh, he was just saying that he didn't see that. I've never seen that. Oh, yeah. That is from the Department of Homeland Security from the United States government. The only violent part. I've heard that since then, they have deleted it. Yes, they did. We just wanted to make sure that we did it.

51:53Yeah, the only violent part was from them. Like, no one, when we, like, when I was, when we were out there, nothing was violently, nothing violently was happening until they started doing what they were doing. Sir, did you have something you wanted to say? No, that's what I was going to say. There was nothing violent going on until ICE and the agents started. Throwing tear gas and all that stuff.

52:18And then on top of that, we didn't bring our children to the protest. I don't even protest. We've never protested before. We weren't there to protest. For God's sakes, it was below zero outside, and we had on sweaters. You think I would have came to a protest with just the sweater on? I didn't have a hat on, no gloves, no anything. There were people outside that were out there offering us stuff. And we're like, we're not here for a long time. We're just trying to get my mom to go home. So, like, you know, say you can give that to somebody who's actually in need of it because we didn't need it.

52:48And I believe it was at your six month old who was most physically impacted. I mean, I'm a mom. Sagar's a dad. I can't imagine watching my baby be unable to breathe. Can you talk about what the physical impacts were like and what the emotional trauma has been like for you and for your kids? Yeah, it definitely was heartbreaking for me. He was actually the last person that they were able to get out the car because he was in his car seat, which was also strapped to a car seat base. And the car seat base was strapped into the car. And if you're not a person that, I mean, for God's sakes, I still struggle with it.

53:23And I've been doing it with him for a while. And I have other kids that I've been doing it with. So if you're not an everyday person that is strapping this baby in this car seat, then you don't know how to get him out. So it took them a while to have to cut the actual seatbelt. And they actually when they brought him in, he was still connected to the base. Oh, my God. Actually. Wow. So, you know, and like when he got when he came in, his eyes were closed. There was like foam or spit all around his face, all around his mouth. And so like I began like I was screaming, like, give me a towel, give me a towel, give me something so that I can clear his like face off the tear gas off his airway.

53:55so that I could be able to, you know, give him mouth to mouth. And I remember doing that. And I remember like rubbing his sternum and patting his back and still giving him more breaths. It was, it was very horrifying. And then like in the mix of that, I hear my kids screaming and people were pouring milk all over my other kids. And once my other kids finally were able to open their eyes and they see what I was doing with the baby, they started screaming, my baby brother, my baby brother. You know what I'm saying? And so like, I just remember I stopped for a couple of seconds and I started praying.

54:24and I remember telling him, like, I'm going to give you all my breath until you take yours. What a nightmare. Are you guys considering legal action against the government? Have you heard anything from them? Any apology? Nothing? No. We haven't heard nothing from the government. We haven't heard anything. We're thinking about it, though, so we just, especially after that comment, that's crazy. I would expect, like, But, I mean, even, like, you know, even if my kids weren't out there, is it still okay for you guys to do what you guys do to people where the kids were there is it is it okay for you guys to do that to just adults or whoever's there it's not okay in any kind of way they weren't tear gassing you they weren't flash banging you they weren't macing you it's it's not okay to do it to anybody what have you told your kids about like how have you explained to your kids what happened you know i do i mean like we've been talking i mean our kids have been having questions about the stuff that's been going on way before like what happened to us happened to us because i I mean, we have a middle schooler and then, you know, like our our school age, he has Hispanic friends who haven't been coming to school.

55:32And my son's been having basketball games canceled because some schools are predominantly Hispanic. And if there's not enough team players on the team and we've just been telling them, like, you know, like, you know, there are really big things happening right now. And they're not there because they're trying to, you know, either they've been taken or they're just trying to prevent from being taken. And like now, like since what happened to us happened to us, like our 11 year old is just constantly talking about it. And I'm just I haven't I'm like, it's your you are part of it. It's you're a part of history now.

56:05It's your story to tell. Don't let anybody silence you. You tell it how you feel it happened. and you know and like we do like we're constantly apologizing like we're sorry you know i'm saying like we never meant for that to happen like my we're anybody that knows us knows that we're not bad parents at all we do a tremendously great job at taking care of our kids our kids are our world we we had our first kid at 14 you know like wow and so our kid went to school with us when i was at basketball practice he was there like you know like and we i mean both of like his football coach was um it's part of minneapolis police department my basketball coach was a part of minneapolis police department we're highly connected with them we still talk to them to this day so like people know we've been a part of the community for a very long time and we're very respectful people so it's like people know that we didn't purposely put our kids in harm's way yeah well Well, it's important to hear, too, the way that even before this, that it has impacted life in Minneapolis, just trying to go about your your day to day.

57:15Have you. Go ahead, Destiny. I like to have my my so my kids, they were asking because like we're always outside with our kids, like not out either where they're sledding or community centers or anything. And so like when our kids the other day, they were asking us, like, are they going to get a new car, like a car that fits all the bus so that we can, you know, like go and do our, you know, just our regular. and we were telling them like, yeah, we are. And they're like, well, we need to get an armored car. And then there's my four-year-old daughter who yesterday was sitting and she wanted to have a conversation out the blue.

57:45And she was just like, the police need to lock up the bombers. They are bad people. And I'm like, bombers? Who are bombers? Like the people who threw the stuff under our car. They're bad people. They're bombers. They have to get out of here. No, that's my four-year-old. Have you been worried about any sort of like retribution, especially since you've had the courage to speak out and, you know, and expose some of the lies that have been told by the government with regard to this? Yes, we have. We have not slept much. I mean, like we have had all the news interviews. So like we're like busy throughout the day, especially with taking kids to school and, you know, coming home and just still trying to continue day to day life on top of like doing things like this.

58:25But then also when it's time to go to sleep, we're like alternating on and off, like by the hour checking our cameras just because we're scared that they're gonna like run up in our house just because we told our story. Yeah. Well, thank you guys so much for having the courage to tell your story. I think it is quite courageous and I'm really glad that you and your beautiful babies are fine. You do have an absolutely gorgeous family and thank you so much for taking the time to inform our audience about what your experience has been like. Thank you both. Thank you. We appreciate it. Yeah, it's our pleasure.

58:59Thank you guys so much for watching. We appreciate it. There will be a great Friday show for all of you tomorrow. See you all then.

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