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Breaking Points Episode Summary: 1/27/26
Episode Overview In this episode of Breaking Points, hosts Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti discuss significant geopolitical developments affecting the U.S. economy, censorship on social media platforms, and the ongoing humanitarian crisis in Gaza. Key topics include the fluctuations in the U.S. dollar, TikTok censorship related to political content, and Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu's stance on Gaza reconstruction.
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Key Topics Discussed
- U.S. Dollar Crash & Economic Implications
- Current Status: The U.S. dollar has fallen to a four-month low, while gold prices have surged past $5,000 an ounce.
- Factors Influencing This Shift:
- Concerns over a potential government shutdown.
- Recent tariff increases from the Trump administration impacting trade relations, particularly with South Korea.
- A shift in global financial trends, with central banks holding fewer U.S. dollars as reserves, moving towards gold and other metals instead.
- Long-term Trends:
- A potential "de-dollarization" trend is emerging as countries reassess their dependence on the U.S. financial system.
- Long-term Unemployment Rates
- The U.S. long-term unemployment rate has reached a four-year high, with average job search times extending to over 11 weeks.
- Implications:
- Increased financial stress on households, pushing individuals towards debt.
- A disconnect between corporate performance and the economic reality faced by the average American worker.
- Healthcare Costs
- Rising health insurance costs have become a significant burden for middle-income earners, with some experiencing insurance bills exceeding their mortgage payments.
- Personal Experiences: Krystal shares a personal anecdote of dealing with unexpected medical billing, illustrating the hidden costs and inefficiencies of the U.S. healthcare system.
- TikTok Censorship
- Krystal and Saagar discuss reports of political censorship on TikTok, particularly concerning content related to Epstein and criticism of U.S. immigration policies.
- Censorship Examples:
- Direct messages containing the word "Epstein" being blocked.
- Posts critical of ICE receiving significantly lower visibility.
- Underlying Concerns: The hosts question the motivations behind this censorship, especially following TikTok's change in ownership to US-based interests.
- The Situation in Gaza
- Ahmed Khan, a humanitarian and executive producer of "The Voice of Hind," joins the discussion to provide updates on the dire conditions in Gaza.
- Humanitarian Crisis:
- Continued suffering, including lack of basic necessities and the destruction of homes and hospitals.
- Israel's blockade preventing the entry of reconstruction materials, despite claims of a ceasefire.
- Political Context:
- Netanyahu's focus on disarmament of Hamas rather than reconstruction efforts is seen as a strategy for ethnic cleansing.
- Skepticism surrounding international plans for Gaza under Trump's "Board of Peace," characterized by the absence of Palestinian representation.
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Key Takeaways
- The U.S. dollar's decline and rising gold prices indicate potential instability in the global financial system.
- Long-term unemployment continues to be a significant issue, showcasing the disconnect between economic indicators and everyday life.
- Health insurance costs are becoming unsustainable for many Americans, exacerbating financial stress and inequality.
- Social media platforms like TikTok are under scrutiny for political censorship, raising concerns about free speech and the influence of corporate interests.
- The humanitarian situation in Gaza remains dire, with political narratives focusing more on disarmament than on genuine reconstruction efforts.
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Conclusion This episode of Breaking Points delves into critical issues affecting the U.S. and global landscape, highlighting economic challenges, social media censorship, and ongoing humanitarian crises. The discussions prompt listeners to consider the implications of these developments on democracy, civil liberties, and international relations.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOUS Dollar Movement and Global Implications
0:31 to 3:58
Discussion on the recent decline of the US dollar and its implications for the global economy.
“of Independent News Media, and we hope to see you at breakingpoints.com.”
Long-Term Unemployment Trends
3:58 to 7:20
Analysis of rising long-term unemployment and its effects on households and the economy.
“This was like the flight to safety when things were precarious.”
Health Insurance Costs Rising
7:20 to 10:10
Exploration of skyrocketing health insurance costs and their impact on American families.
“underestimated was that the government shutdown actually appears to have ticked things up, same thing as it started to tick up after the government shutdown.”
The Health Insurance Nightmare
10:10 to 13:10
Discussion on the complexities and frustrations of dealing with health insurance in the US.
“So, for example, let's put this this health care one up there.”
Home Purchase Cancellations
13:10 to 14:01
Examination of the record number of home purchase cancellations and possible reasons behind it.
“And so the problem is actually with them.”
Economic Distortions and Home Purchase Cancellations
14:01 to 15:10
Explore the economic distortions affecting home purchases and the uncertainty surrounding the economy.
“Let's put this last one up on the screen because this is a mystery to me and one that we have to continue to track in terms of the economy.”
Analyzing Unsurprising Economic Trends
15:11 to 16:12
Discuss the reasons behind the rise in home purchase cancellations and mortgage rate stability.
“I couldn't find a single article that actually broke any of it down.”
TikTok's Content Censorship Under New Ownership
16:13 to 18:59
Investigate the censorship issues arising on TikTok following its U.S. takeover and the implications for free expression.
“So, guys, as of last week, the TikTok USA takeover is official, and many people are saying they long for the freedom of expression that we received under the Chinese Communist Party running of TikTok.”
Zionism and Hate Speech Guidelines
19:00 to 21:48
Examine TikTok's new guidelines regarding hate speech related to Zionism and its broader implications.
“They say a suffered a cascading systems failure that caused multiple bugs, such as creators having difficult posting new video, seeing content showing zero views, marked a rocket.”
Corporate Influence on Social Media Platforms
21:49 to 24:57
Discuss the influence of corporate ownership on media content and the consequences for political discourse.
“Well, keep in mind, this kind of fits with the ADL comments, remember, about the AI lawyers and how they have an army of AI warriors who are auto sending stuff to law.”
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The Need for Federal Legislation on Social Media
24:58 to 28:00
Argue for the establishment of federal standards on social media content moderation and ownership transparency.
“I don't know the numbers, but and they're going to this other app.”
The Impact of Social Media Censorship
28:00 to 30:10
Learn about the implications of social media censorship and its relation to political narratives.
“It's just like it's been such a whirlwind over the last 10 years that at a point I'm like, this just needs to be a settled question.”
Conditions in Gaza: A Humanitarian Crisis
30:34 to 33:37
Hear firsthand accounts of the dire humanitarian situation in Gaza amidst ongoing conflict.
“So, Mac, if you could put these first images up on the screen, just this is what it looks like in Gaza now.”
The Board of Peace: Who's In Charge?
33:37 to 35:28
Discussion on the newly proposed Board of Peace and its implications for Gaza's future.
“We want people out of we want people out of Gaza.”
Reflections on Sudan and International Attention
35:28 to 38:11
Ahmed Khan shares insights on the situation in Sudan and its lack of media coverage.
“The audience has taken a lot of interest in this.”
The Voice of Hind: A Powerful Story
38:11 to 40:56
Discussing the significance of the film 'Voice of Hind' and its impact on awareness.
“Do you think that Trump and Netanyahu are aligned at this point or do you think they're misaligned in terms of what they want to see next?”
Transcript
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0:31of Independent News Media, and we hope to see you at breakingpoints.com.
0:38Turning now to the dollar, there's some major movement in the US economy with major geopolitical implications. Go ahead and put this up here on the screen from the Financial Times. I'm going to read a little bit about this. The dollar sinks to a four-month low as gold soars past$5 ,000 and the yen leaps. So there's a lot of stuff kind of going on behind the scenes. The simultaneous spike in the price of gold to$5 ,000 an ounce and the dollar sinking to a low combined with some of the things that are happening in the Japanese markets. Nobody is fully understanding exactly, but I'll just read from what the general consensus on Wall Street.
1:14They say the dollar, analysts said, is suffering from the concerns over a potential government shutdown, down 0.6 % on Monday against a broader group of major currencies, extending losses sparked by the Greenland crisis of last week. U.S. risks pushed investors out of the dollar and they sought safety and precious metals, sending gold to an all time high. And the surge in yen has come as traders speculate that the U.S. and Japan could be lining up their first coordinated intervention in currency since the G7 acted to weaken it after the 2011 earthquake. So that's kind of explains the broader picture for all of those things.
1:48However, if you put D1B, guys, the next one up there on the screen for some of the implications, gold and silver also showed you some interesting, you know, reversals that happened at the end of the day. So it's all just very strange. And I think the volatility is broadly just part of the instability right now in the global system. So if you put the next one up there on the screen just to look at the several currencies all rising against the U.S. dollar, what you see is all of these different currencies that have been rising against the dollar at various different percentages. And I think that this is a direct consequence really of several factors.
2:30So instability in our current fiscal system, right? So we have a partial government shutdown, which is now looming. Greenland, which had tariff risk. You know, we didn't even get this in the show. I don't know if you saw this. Trump actually raised the tariffs from 15 to 25 percent on South Korea just yesterday. Again, huge euro bias in our press. Everyone seems to forget South Korea, massively important trading partner to the United States. I don't even think it got a single major headline in any of the newspapers. We're talking about a huge economy with huge levels of bilateral trade between the United States.
3:07Take a look at the cars that are out there on the road, not to mention Samsung and all of these other companies with huge footprints here in the U.S. That is, in my opinion, like way more of an earthquake than Greenland or any of these. Again, never deserves the attention that it gets. But you put that all together. You've got the shutdown. You've got Greenland. General instability here for the U.S. It's trading related questions about the U.S. and its word for trading relationships. That's what's going to swing your currency. And remember, currency linking with the bond markets, those couple of things all together have the potential always to just slip you in not a full blown crisis, but it can just always lead to problems for debt, for our own fiscal picture.
3:50And we're seeing all of that in the context also of a slowing U.S. economy in terms of what we have at home. Yeah. No, I mean, I think these are all signs of a reordering of not only the global financial system, but the global system overall. I mean, it's always been the U.S. dollar, treasury bonds. This was like the flight to safety when things were precarious. This is where investors and central banks, where they would where they would go. And now instead of that, you see hard metals, you see gold and silver, which are increasingly becoming the flight to safety instead of the U.S. dollar and treasury bonds.
4:26I saw a chart that said that, you know, central banks around the world are holding lower and lower amounts of U.S. dollars as, you know, reserves, which, again, is this sort of like slow but steady shift away from the U.S. as the central bulwark of the global economy and global financial system. Now, none of this happens overnight. I'm not saying that like de-dollarization is happening tomorrow or that this is going to be a quicker, instantaneous thing. But these countries, aided by the brazenness and, you know, wild maneuvering of Trump, have realized that the writing is on the wall and the old system is no more and that they need to plan and protect themselves for the future.
5:06So I think that's, you know, as you look at these movements in the market, which are sort of slow and steady over time and do have some reversals like we saw gold and silver reverse again. But the overall trend in the Trump administration has been for those precious metals to continue to spike and hit new and new and new record highs. Yeah, I mean, it's just gold is one of those where generally you can always say when it's high, things are usually not good, like it's flight from something. Let's go to the next one, please, Mac. This is D3. This is something I always keep my eye on. And this was always a big sign of economic problems under the Obama administration.
5:43The U.S. long term unemployment rate has hit a four year high. So one of the big arguments for the nerds out there who are watching the 2012 Mitt Romney debate, there was this moment where Romney and Obama were arguing about the unemployment rate. And this is something that Romney very clumsily was not able to hit home, but I have always thought was a real precursor to some of the economic dissatisfaction from 2012 to 2016. It's this long term unemployment rate where what it means is that people who are unemployed are taking longer to find new jobs than at any point in the last four years and that they're staying unemployed longer and longer.
6:23So it says it now takes an average of more than 11 weeks for an unemployed person in the U.S. to find a new job. That is the longest since 2021 during the entire covid insanity when a bunch of people were let go from their jobs as a result of the lockdowns. Some 26 % of 7.5 million unemployed actively searching for work have been looking for more than six months. So this is a huge problem because you've got unemployment insurance that doesn't last nearly as long. They say that it sees households under significant stress. People have emergency savings, can stretch them a little bit. But the longer you do, the more likely it is that you don't have the savings to cover very basic bills.
6:59Bad for households, bad for the economy, pushes people into debt. outside of the pandemic, we are now at the highest rate that we have seen in a decade, and it is heading in the wrong direction. And these, by the way, are from the official BLS statistics. So you can see a significant, actually, increase. One thing I also underestimated was that the government shutdown actually appears to have ticked things up, same thing as it started to tick up after the government shutdown. Can't pinpoint exactly why, But, you know, I mean, a lot, 40, what, several million people went 41 days without a paycheck.
7:37If some contractors, I think I forget exactly what the rules are, but I know some contractors in some cases are not entitled to back pay. That could have been it could have caused like some immediate retrench, but combined with the tariff policy shut, you know, people again, there's multifactorial reasons why all of these things happen. But in general, it's just not a number that you want to see. And this is where the dollar and the Federal Reserve also comes into play and interest rates because that's what matters, you know, for in terms of juicing the economy if you do want to try and do so.
8:07The longer that a person is unemployed, the more difficult it is for them to get back in the job market. You know, their skills atrophy, employers who are evaluating resumes think that there's something wrong with you and decide to go with someone who, you know, is just switching jobs or who is new out of college. I mean, that's the other thing we've been tracking, though, is college grads really particularly struggling, new college grads particularly struggling. I think the introduction of AI is part of that, even though it doesn't seem like, you know, the AI promise hasn't really fully come to fruition.
8:36But I think companies are kind of putting things on hold to see if they can get away with fewer workers and substituting in AI and shifting more work burden onto the workforce that they already have. They're sort of testing the waters for what they can get away with. And we've also seen an economy, which this has been, you know, the trend over decades. There's numbers coming out this morning where the earnings of this company and that company look, you know, pretty strong. But those top line numbers for the companies and the titans of industry and the oligarch class or the Epstein class, as Ro Khanna calls them, none of that is trickling down to benefit your average American.
9:14It is largely disconnected from the experience of the average person. And so, you know, it used to be that there was more of a connection between, OK, there's a productivity increase. The corporate giants are doing well. That means the workers are going to do better. That relationship has totally severed so that, you know, if you have the company overall doing well, it by and large doesn't really matter for the, you know, your average worker out there. So that's one of the disconnects that's going on in the economy right now and why you have such a tale of two realities, the asset owning class versus the rest of everybody else.
9:49Yeah, it's just so obvious. And, you know, the fact that the the political class just never wakes up, it's like, how could you have an economic backlash election to Joe Biden when the S &P was up by 80 percent or whatever over the course of his presidency? because it's the point is, is that those gains do not largely go to the average income and or household. So, for example, let's put this this health care one up there. This is a very important story. They say health insurance is now more expensive than the mortgage for these Americans. Monthly health insurance bills are rocketing higher for middle income earners who rely on Obamacare.
10:25So they say millions of Americans are going to see their monthly health insurance bills rise. Expanded subsidies have now gone. They point to, for example, a 47-year-old couple who paid$255 a month last year for a low-end ACA plan. Late last year, they learned their bill would be going up to$2 ,155, a sum nearly triple their monthly mortgage payment of$760. First of all, I need to meet these people and find out how they got a$760 mortgage. But second, you could say a$2 ,000 bill when you previously paid$255 is extraordinary. It's crazy, right? And so the general principle is regardless of whether it's more than your mortgage or not,$2 ,000 a month, no matter what income level you are at, is insane for health care, specifically for two 47-year-olds.
11:12You know, you guys know I don't have a ton of sympathy for boomers who are like early retirees and rich, but that's not really the case whenever we look at two probably self-employed people, probably people like you and I, you know, maybe small business, something like that, which have to rely on the open exchanges. Yeah. And, you know, that's right around what we pay for our family. Yeah. So there you go. Right. And you have multiple you have multiple children. And I think for me, I've been discovered. I know I've read the stories, but to experience it yourself, this is currently. So I talked about, you know, my daughter had to brief stare, stay in the NICU immediately after birth.
11:47I did not receive a bill this entire time. And my insurance company gave me an explanation of benefits saying, you know, you owe zero for because I hit my deductible, my very high fourteen thousand five hundred deductible. And then this, you know, eight, nine months later, I just got a bill from them for twenty five thousand dollars. And I was like, what? I was like, I don't you know. And so now this is the hidden productivity cost. I know the bill is wrong. The insurance company is not going to dispute it on my behalf. I have to call and to be like, oh, you're wrong and you need to read. And they're like, well, you're going to have to do a three way call.
12:24I mean, you know, just the the loss. I'm pretty confident I'm not going to have to pay anything. I really am. But this is opportunity cost of time, mental energy, you know, like hostile insurance agents and hospital people who do not care about you at all and who are like, well, you know, that's what the bill says. And I'm like, well, that's not what the insurance company says. Right. And then anyway, I'm just pointing out, though, that this is for this is just on a micro level, like in terms of how insane this type of system is. And yes, I know it's just it's just my first foray. I've never had to deal with something like this before.
13:01But I've read about many of these types of stories. And yeah, it can take it can literally suck hours of your life dealing with this type of nonsense. The whole purpose of I know yours is a little bit different because the bill is coming from the hospital. Right. And so the problem is actually with them. But I mean, the whole purpose of health insurance companies is to deny as much as much payment as they can and make you on the hook for as much as they possibly can. Like that's how they turn a profit. And it genuinely having never lived in any country other than the U.S., it genuinely seems miraculous to me that there are so many other countries around the world where you don't have this absolute nightmare, where you literally walk in and get care and walk out.
13:44There's no where's your health insurance card. Let me call. You're not covered. Let me send them the bill. No, you get the bill. No, you didn't meet your deductible. Like none of that. You just get care and then you leave. That is totally incomprehensible to me. It seems so miraculous that that is the case. And yet that is the case in every other developed country in the entire world. And think of all the distortions. I mean, obviously, the cost burden on people is unbelievable, but then it creates all sorts of weird distortions where maybe someone who would otherwise start a company and be an entrepreneur and be able to, you know, add something additional to the economy, they can't leave their job because they need that health care.
14:26Let's put this last one up on the screen because this is a mystery to me and one that we have to continue to track in terms of the economy. You had a record number of home purchase cancellations in December. So people who, you know, they thought they had a deal, they signed a contract, and then they end up backing out of it reached a record high. And I genuinely don't know what that's all about. My best guess is that just people get kind of spooked, like they're just not feeling super secure about their financial situation. They're not, you know, there was a whole tariff conversation going on.
15:03I don't know what led to this, but it doesn't seem like a good sign, Sagar, of how people are feeling about the economy. Yeah, I tried to figure it out, too. I couldn't find a single article that actually broke any of it down. So total mystery, probably, like you said, uncertainty and just general feeling of like, hey, now's not a good time. Maybe, you know, maybe interest rate changed, something like that. I really have no idea. But yeah, it is. I looked at the mortgage rates and there was not an obvious. It was like six, you know, for 30 year mortgage. It was like in the sixes and there was no obvious like, oh, they're really going up fast or they're really going down fast.
15:44And maybe we wait a little bit and secure a better rate. It was just kind of like, you know, up and down somewhere in the sixes the whole time. So there's not an obvious story to be told from the interest rates. But, you know, something is clearly going on there. It hasn't changed much. I mean, it's just dipping up and down. Yeah, I'm looking at the general trend. There's been some shift, but nothing world-changing in the last two months. Yeah, nothing particularly noteworthy, so I don't know. Well, if you're a housing specialist, let us know. Leave a comment and tell us what happened. Okay, well, let's go to the next one.
16:16So, guys, as of last week, the TikTok USA takeover is official, and many people are saying they long for the freedom of expression that we received under the Chinese Communist Party running of TikTok. There have been a lot of problems. Now, I'll just say up front, TikTok is saying that this all, Sagar, has to do with some sort of power outage at a data center, which I think when we give you the details here of the type of content that people are struggling to get circulating, you're going to be understandably skeptical about their explanations here. So this is one of the wildest ones. Let's put this up on the screen.
16:53And I tested this personally. I had some friends and family who tested this as well. If you try to send a direct message that has the word Epstein in it, they will not let you send the word Epstein or any other content that includes Epstein. And so you can see that up on the screen. This is what you get. This is the exact same thing that happened when I tried it as well. You get this little exclamation point, And then it tells you that this is like a potential violation of community standards and that they're worried about the safety of their community. So that one is for sure. There have also been on Mac, if you go ahead and jump forward to the E4, some of the reporting that we're getting from different users about the way that their anti-ice posts in particular are being completely suppressed.
17:47So you have the Democrats here. Dropsite has seen their reporting on various topics be suppressed. Jessica Burbank is another one who has seen her TikTok views just absolutely fall off a cliff. I know they I've had it. Ladies have experienced this as well. And it seems if we put E5 up on the screen, it seems specifically to be tied to any sort of post about the shooting of Alex Preddy in Minneapolis. Any criticism of ICE, sort of broader Trump criticism as well, seems to be not getting pushed into the algorithm whatsoever. So that that type of content from creators with large followings is getting next to no views when they post it.
18:32So as I said before, I can put E3 up on the screen. TikTok is claiming this has to do with a power outage. You know, I'm not, Sagar, a technical wizard here. So perhaps there is some way in which a power outage magically creates, you know, algorithmic suppression of content that just happens to be unfavorable in the eyes of the new, you know, Ellison-backed ownership. Perhaps there is some technical explanation for this, but this seems pretty hard to believe given these specific things that are being blocked, suppressed and censored. Yeah, I just don't get it. So here's the statement. They say a suffered a cascading systems failure that caused multiple bugs, such as creators having difficult posting new video, seeing content showing zero views, marked a rocket.
19:21But how would that explain the DM's issue? I did see the Epstein thing is right. I mean, that's the craziest one. I'm glad we started with that. But I mean, I did see some NFL creators who were telling me that they had the same problem with zero view. So it is possible, you know, the zero view thing. If I had to guess what has happened is that they've had a rollout of their so-called like political community guidelines and that it's just clunky in terms of the way that they're rolling out their code under new in under like the new guidelines or under the new ownership. And they're still trying to figure out like de-ranking and all of that or and or how to rank, you know, such content under the new regime.
20:02That seems to me because notice they're saying the zero views thing was a data center. That's believable. Like I said, with the NFL stuff, what's not believable to me is the DMS and the searchability. Some of the stuff that we've seen previously, especially when we know that the you know, the you have very like a lot in Zionist, like literally who is in charge now of the platform. We've had multiple people who have come out and have talked about it. Can we play that thought actually here? This is E2 about the criticism of Zionism. Let's go ahead and cue this up just to show you what some of the new standards on the platform are going to look like.
20:44Yeah. And so this is from TikTok CEO. This is an older clip, but just to give you a sense of some of the codification of their new hate speech rules and the way they're thinking about these things. We made a change to designate the use of the term Zionist as a proxy for a protected attribute as hate speech. So if somebody were to use Zionist, of course, you can you can use it in the sense of you're a proud Zionist. But if you're using it in the context of degrading somebody, calling somebody a Zionist as a dirty name, then that gets designated as hate speech to be moderated against. Over the course of 2024, we tripled the amount of accounts that we were banning for hateful activity.
21:29We also have, I think, over two dozen Jewish organizations that are constantly feeding us intelligence and information when they spot violative trends. There is no finish line. There's no finish line to moderating hate speech, identifying hateful trends, trying to keep the platform safe. There's no such thing as an endgame. No such thing as an end game. Well, keep in mind, this kind of fits with the ADL comments, remember, about the AI lawyers and how they have an army of AI warriors who are auto sending stuff to law. I mean, this is this is very, very scary stuff. I mean, look, yes, the war, you know, is winding down and some of the content.
22:09But like the point is, is that this machine being put into place can just be deployed for basically anything. And they're going to use, you know, their private guidelines. I really think this is the time. I think I've seen some Democrats talk about this. Didn't Gavin Newsom say that he was going to announce investigation? Everyone's concerned. You know, like you're talking about the Dem creators and all that. The thing is, is that this is now been going on for 10 years, you know, ever since 2016 and Facebook. And it's just we have to, like, put this to bed, especially tech tech stock is now under U.S.
22:41ownership. We need transparent guidelines that talk specifically about moderation, published standards, and then the public has to be able to weigh in. I've talked previously. I'm curious for your view. I think we should just pass it, take it off their plate and just be like, look, from now on, if it's consistent with the First Amendment, it's up there. And then in terms of de-ranking and all that for advertising purposes, you may have the ability, you know, to have some sort of tweak. But even then it gets sketchy because, as you and I have seen on YouTube, like if you get a video that's demonetized for ad purposes, it may still have tremendous news value, doesn't get a lot of views or something just doesn't appear to pop off.
23:24But I think at this point we need national legislation, just period, end of story that sets standards. Otherwise, this is what we're going to get. You have Elon on the one hand, Grok putting girls in bikinis, and then you've got this nonsense. And like the point is it cannot like, you know, literal girls, like actual children. Right. We didn't spend enough time on that. I just got lost in the sauce. But yeah, like literal girls, like we need serious federal guidelines and legislation from AI and to social media. Like my new cause to lab for AI is I think that anything AI picture generation should be banned for for people like for anyone who's alive.
24:02I just think there's nothing good that can come of it. All of these image renderers. Look, it's sometimes fun for thumbnails and all that. But like, no, the societal cost and the destruction and the ability to trust like any video that you see, it's too much. Same here with TikTok. We need published benefits like, oh, sorry, publish. We need published rules. This is what we do. This is how we de-rank. This is exactly how much it's going to go down. That's the very least. And in a macro level, we should just pass like anything consistent with the First Amendment. It's good to go. Period. End of story.
24:31The government's taking it off your plate. This is how it has to be. Because we can't have this. We're living under literal oligarchical fighting control, depending on who is in power and who depends and tends to have like the ear of the ear of the White House. Like the Biden administration, which is too much. Yeah. And I mean, there's that definitely needs to happen. You got to break up. I mean, it's just you can't the Ellison family, how many media properties they control at this point. And when you have billionaires for whom, like, you know, there are a lot of people who are leaving TikTok right now.
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25:04I don't know the numbers, but and they're going to this other app. Shout out to Upscrolled as like a TikTok alternative. I myself downloaded and playing around with it to see what it's all about. They are degrading the experience of TikTok for a political agenda. And because he has so much money, like it almost could be like a catch and kill situation where he doesn't really care that much if the platform has the widest reach or is the most financially successful if it is serving a political agenda. And that political agenda does dovetail with their financial interests because they want to make sure Trump is happy with what's going on there so that whatever business deals they want to effectuate get a glide path through this administration.
25:50And so those are the kind of dynamics that are controlling these platforms, not anything that's in any thought of like the public interest or what's appropriate under a speech or First Amendment standard that doesn't even enter into the calculation whatsoever. So ever. So. So, yeah, I mean, I think they genuinely don't care that much whether TikTok is successful as a platform so long as it is serving the ideological interests of Zionists and also of the Trump administration. Very possible. Yeah. I mean, that's certainly what it looks like here in the early days. And I can serve other ends, you know, for their business empire.
26:29Sometimes it's like you can hurt TikTok. But right now, you know, Paramount Skydance needs a merger acquisition or whatever to go through. So everything is like an interconnected web. And TikTok is probably nothing profit wise compared to that broader enterprise. Like that is the bigger picture, which is why corporate consolidation and corporate ownership of all of these media entities is such an incredible issue and such a pernicious issue as well. So I don't know. It's certainly looking like TikTok is not going to be the same, at least for political content. And they may just turn it into like I saw someone saying they're effectively turning it into threads where political content is deranked, where it's essentially, you know, push the sidelines in favor of just like, you know, the most anodyne like sports, cooking, things that are politically neutral and safe.
27:17Yeah, that's where all the money is made. Remember, you know, there are channels that do one, probably one fifth the amount of views that you and I will get who will make probably either the same or even sometimes more money because they cover very blasé thing and that advertisers don't want to be connected. Like advertisers don't like political content. They never have. Unfortunately, you can't kill the Democratic want of a lot of people to like want to know what the hell is going on. And it's so it's always been inconsistent. YouTube, all these other platforms that would kill political content if they could or like in their ideal world.
27:49They don't want it there. It's really not. It's much more a pain in the ass for them than it is in terms of a moneymaker. And yeah, I think it's really unfortunate. This is why, again, I think we need federal legislation. People need to come in, set a clear standard and just be like, this is it. This is how we go from here on out, because every four years, I mean, watching Zuckerberg go from, you know, from being a Biden suck up to standing behind Trump at the inauguration and then now here with the tick tock, it's just too much to constantly be swinging and like sucking up to the people in power from covid censorship to denouncing it.
28:21It's just like it's been such a whirlwind over the last 10 years that at a point I'm like, this just needs to be a settled question. We need to put down something and just go from there. And like you said, too, these people can't be allowed to control everything because there's danger. There's danger to it for us as consumers, for you in terms of the information that you're literally getting there. And then also, yeah, at a major like more democratic question. This is just basic antitrust law. It just needs to go. Well, and the last thing I'll say is just really important to keep in mind why this, you know, ownership ban and shift to the U.S.
28:57leadership of the company, why it happened. And, you know, the rationale that actually pushed this over the finish line was all about Palestine. You know, there may have been some other ideas to begin with and people who wanted it like yourself, Sagar, for different reasons. Pushed it for years, but yeah. But the stated reason people like Mitt Romney said this outright, that this actually got over the finish line under a Democratic administration, let's keep in mind, was because they didn't like that people were speaking out with regard to the genocide in Gaza. They did not like the pro-Palestine sentiment.
29:32Remember Nikki Haley talking about like for every minute people spend on TikTok, they become 30 percent more anti-Semitic or whatever. Like that is actually the argument that led to this. And so no one should be surprised by the you know, by the consequences that we are seeing and by the the crackdown on, you know, a variety of types of political speech. So we'll see what happens when they get their power outage short figured out and what the you know, what the state of TikTok is after they get all of that worked out. But so far, it's looking pretty grim. Yeah, that's right. All right. Let's get to Amit Khan standing by.
30:11All right, guys, we've got a bunch of updates for you on Gaza, on the quote unquote Board of Peace, on the latest with regard to Netanyahu and Israel. And we're very fortunate to be joined this morning by the frontline humanitarian and philanthropist and also executive producer of The Voice of Hind Rajab, the Academy Award nominated Voice of Hind Rajab, Ahmed Khan. Great to see you, sir. Good to see you. Hey, how are you guys? Good to see you. Very good. Very good. So, Mac, if you could put these first images up on the screen, just this is what it looks like in Gaza now. You can see just continued absolute misery, people living in these flimsy, tense winds.
30:48We've seen, of course, rainstorms. There's also Ahmed Ben, and you can speak to this. Israel has now blocked a huge number of international aid organizations from continuing to work in Gaza. Can you just talk to us about that piece and also what the conditions on the ground are like today? The conditions are horrendous. The suffering has not been mitigated at all. You know, sure, there's not 24 hours airstrikes anymore, but it's a different kind of suffering, like a slow genocide. So people are still malnourished. People don't have homes. 90 % of the homes have been destroyed. People are living in tents, and the tents get destroyed by the wind, the wind and the rain.
31:31And so there's a shortage of tents and tarps, which is nuts, because there are millions and millions of tents and tarps around the world sitting in warehouses. And, you know, it's done by design. It's all by design. Sort of the Israelis don't necessarily want everyone to die at once, but they wouldn't mind if they sort of die slowly. And that's happening. Children are still dying of hypothermia, which is crazy. There's supposedly a ceasefire. How do you let children die of hypothermia? It's a very simple thing to mitigate. I mean, there's been a development with the, you know, with a hostage remains.
32:08The very last remains of a hostage have now been returned. Matt, can you just go and cue up the next part of Netanyahu speaking yesterday in the Knesset? He said, quote, that the next stage is not reconstruction. It is the disarmament of Hamas and the demilitarization of the Gaza Strip. We have an interest in advancing this stage, not delaying it. Ahmed, how do you see this in the context of what you're saying is this allegedly was supposed to begin some new part of the ceasefire opening up some of the pathways into Gaza? However, they're saying naturally, no, we're still continuing disarmament.
32:44And that means that they're going to continue to blockade. Is that how you understand it? Yeah, no, it's there's nothing new. It's totally in line with the end game that's existed since October 8th of 2023, which is essentially the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. And so this is totally in line with that because they don't want, you know, people to have their homes back. They don't want the 36 hospitals to be rebuilt. They destroyed almost all of them. And, you know, they don't want any way or semblance of way to, you know, sort of restart your life. So when they talk about reconstruction, we're talking about building materials.
33:20I can't get building materials in. Nobody can get building materials in. That's why people are stuck with tents and tarps, even if they're lucky enough to get them. So, yeah, this is totally in line with what the prime minister has been saying and what various members of the Knesset have been saying. And, you know, ministers like Smotrich and Ben-Vir, they've been very clear. We want people out of we want people out of Gaza. We don't want them to restart their lives. How does this connect with Trump's whole Board of Peace thing? Kushner showed up at Davos with his whole PowerPoint presentation showing this, you know, very sort of like, I don't know, Doha or Dubai looking rendering of what Gaza is going to look like after their reconstruction efforts.
34:07You've got on the board of peace, you've got characters like Kushner, you've got characters like Tony Blair. Of course, no Palestinians represented at that top level on the Gaza board of peace. How are you understanding what the actual plan is here? Well, you never really know until it sort of happens with these kind of characters, right? Like, because it's easy to sort of say, we're going to do this and we're going to do that. But until it actually happens, you never know because Gaza, the people of Gaza, just in this country alone have been lied to over and over and over again. 2005, 2008, 2014, 2018, 2021.
34:43So no one's very optimistic about some kind of bright future. And the reality is, look at the Board of Peace. I mean, no member of that Board of Peace has ever made anyone's life better except probably their own. There are no great humanitarians there. There's nobody who's ever showed any human empathy. You know, so it's not something to be, I mean, what do we have? We have a few real estate agents, some finance people, basically the type of people that have sucked the life out of the U.S. economy. and sort of crash the middle class. The reason we don't have good hospitals and healthcare and infrastructure in the United States.
35:21And so these people are going to rebuild Gaza. You know, it's sort of hard to believe. I mean, while we have you, you were talking to us beforehand about Sudan. The audience has taken a lot of interest in this. You're saying it's getting no international press coverage. Why don't you tell us about what you saw? You were just there. The situation is horrendous. It's almost beyond belief. the suffering is next level. It sort of reminded me I worked in Rwanda in the refugee camps. And it's kind of like that. And there's no end in sight. You know, there's theoretically a ceasefire, but that doesn't exist.
36:00Incredible. And Amit, last question for you. You know, what do you think is going to happen next in Gaza? And also, do you see this Board of Peace, as many do, as an attempt to sort of supplant the U.N. with an entity that has Trump at the head? Because now they're talking not just about the Gaza Board of Peace. They're talking about using this in a variety of international contexts and conflicts around the world. So how do you see these pieces fitting together? Yeah, I assume that's their purpose, to supplant the U.N., but the membership is from dictators and wannabe dictators, right? So I don't know how that represents the entire world.
36:40But it remains to be seen. People, we have no other alternative at this moment than to rely on them, right? And so the way I read it is President Trump is actually in charge of everything in Gaza, which is probably, I mean, it's not the worst thing because he's probably better than everyone else on that board of peace in terms of human empathy, which, you know, I'm not saying a lot. point. There's nobody on there that has any interest in humanitarian affairs, humanitarian support. There's nobody who's mentioned, like when Jared Kushner was in Davos, he didn't talk about, hey, we have 1.2 million kids that have been subjected to trauma that no one's ever seen before.
37:16We have 20 ,000 kids that are in need of prosthetics. We need to surge medical devices. We need to surge medical machines, all the hospitals. There's no pediatric monitors. There's no pediatric ventilators. There's no CT machines, no x-ray machines. They didn't talk anything about that, right? Like they talked about the vision of these Dubai type buildings on rubble and dead bodies. And that's, you know, that's kind of the part that I think all of us, if we have any connections or can get a hold of anyone, just let's remember the people. As you pointed out, there are no Palestinians anywhere near the decision-making process, right?
37:50They're in the technocratic process, but they can't say, you know, we have 36 hospitals that have been destroyed. We have thousands and thousands of people that either need to be evacuated or we need thousands of doctors and nurses here. And surely there's thousands of doctors and nurses around the world that would love to come to Gaza and help out, but they're not allowed in. So the lack of attention to the humanitarian situation is very disconcerting. Do you think that Trump and Netanyahu are aligned at this point or do you think they're misaligned in terms of what they want to see next? Because it certainly seems like Netanyahu wants to use the, you know, the question of disarmament as a pretext to bar any sort of construction materials and any sort of reconstruction efforts, including the like predatory Jared Kushner led ones from from proceedings.
38:38So how do you see that? Well, it's hard to say whether it's theater and they're just doing this like for show or they really have different ideas because President Trump has said, you know, nobody's leaving unless they want to. and Netanyahu's basically said, everybody's out. So it's really hard to tell until it happens. So when Rafah border crossing opens, we'll see. For example, I evacuated little kids who were almost near death, but the Israelis didn't allow the mother. The father is out. And so can I reunite that family? Do I have to pay somebody? Who do I have to pay? It's all very, very up in the air until it happens.
39:16And we just sort of react to the situation on the ground as it's happening. And then, you know, we act. But there's nothing really nothing to be optimistic about today at this very moment. Yeah. And lastly, you know, a cultural question here. As I mentioned, Voice of Henry Job, which you are executive producer of, was nominated for an Academy Award. How significant do you think that is in terms of, you know, Hollywood even recognizing this this film? and, you know, why did you decide to get involved with it? Why did you think that it was important that people see this movie? Well, as you know, I've done these sort of evacuations of rescuing little kids from war zones and, you know, trying to save their lives.
39:59This is a little kid that wasn't able to be saved. And so I thought it was important to tell her story because there are thousands and thousands of these stories in Gaza and around the world. We just happened to have the tapes of the call from her to emergency services and back and forth and basically explaining the situation. We don't have that for the thousands of other little kids that have been killed in Gaza. So I thought it was important to be a part of that. And I don't know. I hope people will respond. And the movie is not going to feed anybody. It's not going to put a roof over anybody's head.
40:33But it will tell a story of a little girl clinging to life and then losing her life, right? And so I think the director, Couther Benhanya, does an amazing job of telling this story, but there's nothing good about it. Whether, you know, Hollywood embraces it and says, look, this is important and maybe we win. I don't know. I don't know what happens. But I think the people have responded, regular people, and it's always regular people that are the key to all this. But now we need to, you know, sort of move into action and say, what kind of world is this where we allow this to happen, where no one comes and rescues her, You know, the paramedics tried to come and rescue her and they were killed.
41:16Right. And so this is it was it's it's a harrowing story. But the entire situation is harrowing. Well, thank you so much for joining us, Ahmed. We always appreciate you. Thanks for making the time. I really appreciate it because this humanitarian situation all around the world is obviously not covered by anyone else except for you and a few others. Keep up the great word. Thanks, man. Thank you. All right, guys. Thank you so much for watching. We appreciate it. Thank you for your patience as we're buried literally under an unending kingdom of ice that apparently will never melt and will just continue to crush my hopes and dreams.
41:55You could tell I'm starting to get a little bit of cabin fever. We will do our best to get back in the studio as soon as is safely as possible. Remember, not just for us, but also for the crew and for many of the other people that make it happen. And so bear with us as we can. But Crystal, you and Emily are going to have a great show tomorrow. So they'll see you then.
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