1/30/26: Don Lemon ARRESTED, Tulsi Election Scheme, Nikki Minaj Pivots Right w/ Touré

25:53Insane stuff. on true social right now. So we know where his mind is at and what he's looking to get out of this. And this is part of the problem with like the Trump era in general is that the Dominion voting situation in Venezuela, like it is legitimate. Like why? The story of the voting machines is just like it's so stupid and ridiculous. The story of Fulton County in 2020 is so stupid and ridiculous. But then it gets built into this crazy like conspiracy theory about foreign actors and a concerted effort to steal the election from Donald Trump with counting mismatched county residencies and all of that.

26:31And you just put the picture together in the way that Trump talks about it or Sidney Powell was talking about it. And you're like, holy smokes. But because there are these like origin stories, if you can pull up the thread, you're like, why are we doing like because we did so many stupid things. It makes it more powerful with people who want to believe that there was some grand conspiracy to have people in Georgia vote where they shouldn't be because they moved six months ago or something like that. So not great. The 2020 stuff is going to look cute when we go to 2028 and every county clerk is on polymarket betting for the election.

27:08That's a really good point. That's a really good fucking point. Every election is going to be the most trusted election of all time compared to 2028. So get excited for that, everybody. So we want to move on to a little more ICE stuff. So Trump was asked about Springfield, Ohio. Now, Springfield, Ohio, for those who don't remember, was the eating the cats and dogs topic during the 2024 election. J.D. Vance announcing directional truth as sort of a strategy for the Trump administration that I thought was quite honest. But now Trump was asked if ICE is going to be going into Springfield to, I guess, start deporting the Haitian population that lives there.

27:57Let's take a listen.

28:03We see what's happening. Springfield is not a happy place with what they did. I love Springfield, Ohio. I won Springfield, Ohio. But during the Biden administration, they did great damage to Springfield. So we've got that here. And before we react to that, I also wanted to pull up the House Democrats have released a new set of demands for what they want DHS to change if they're going to fund them and the government. Some of the bullet point list here, if you can't see it on screen, ensure ICE and CBP immediately leave Minneapolis and stop terrorizing citizens, end arrests without judicial warrants, ensure full and pendant transparent investigations into DHS-related shootings, end detention and deportation of U.S.

28:52citizens. What a big ask. and the anonymity of federal agents, ensure robust minimum standards at detention facilities. Those are the main ones here. What are we to expect with what seems to be the upcoming Springfield raid? Well, I think it's worth noting, you know, most of the migrants in Springfield, Ohio, are Haitian. Most of them had temporary protected status, although there'd be a variety of different, you know, time periods when people move there, et cetera. And, you know, the legal framework would be different for different people, but that is the vast majority. There was just an appeals court ruling saying that when Kristi Noem ended temporary protected status for Venezuelans and for Haitians, that that was done unlawfully.

29:37However, that policy may still be enforced while those appeals play out. So this was an appeals court ruling. So you're already at sort of like a higher level. I suspect this will ultimately go to the Supreme Court. But I believe their status, if you, you know, buy that Noam did this lawfully, ends something like February 3rd. And that's why the expectation is that they're going to move in quickly to Springfield, Ohio, to make good on what were effectively their, like, campaign threats against this migrant population. And I fully expect, given how slow and impotent the courts have been in many cases and how much this administration just routinely, routinely, routinely, routinely flouts whatever the courts rule, that this is a very real possibility that they begin sweeping people up and trying to deport them while this continues to make its way through the court process.

30:31Yeah, so the TPS ruling is really important here, and that's why Trump even remembers probably the name Springfield, Ohio. It's almost like that question. I don't know who asked that question, but that sounds like one of those questions people sometimes like someone's like, hey, you should ask about Springfield. Someone in the admin is like, you should ask about Springfield. But Springfield's local press is covering this. Here's a headline from the Springfield News Sun that says, fear grips Springfield's Haitians on the cusp of losing legal status to live, work in the city that they love. And people probably remember this was kind of vaulted into the public's attention by a New York Times story originally that was fairly nuanced about how this relatively small community of Springfield had been absolutely swamped with a influx.

31:19I think it was like a tantamount or it was equivalent to like 25 percent of the population of Springfield had come in a really short period of time. There was a school bus accident where people were killed, a Haitian driver, and the community was super, super divided over what had happened. And also at the same time, you had business owners being like, the Haitians are great workers. They're filling these jobs. And it was, you know, that's what originally had everybody talking about Springfield, Ohio. And then Rufo went in and there was like a cat babe barbecued 10 miles away or something like that.

31:53Am I remembering correctly? It was like, yeah, it wasn't a cat, but he claimed it was. And yeah, there was like a picture of someone holding a goose. I mean, it was just the. Oh, yeah, the goose. That's an average day for that's an average RFK story. I thought we I thought we liked that stuff. I mean, but the bottom line is the community had genuinely been like there was a serious problem in Springfield, Ohio. I think that is it's fair to say the community was divided over it. there was a huge, anytime you have a huge influx of people who are coming in a short period of time, not native speakers, like it's just going to be a tough process.

32:29And Springfield was undergoing that, obviously. And this TPS thing is super interesting because a lot of the Haitians were coming from Chile or Argentina or Brazil because after 2010, they'd already moved out of Haiti. Like there was mass displacement after 2010. And under normal circumstances, Cubans, Haitians, Venezuelans had pretty good asylum claims and refugee claims when they were crossing into the U.S. But in the Biden administration, you had a lot of like economic migrants. Like I talked to Haitians who had spent months in the streets in Reynosa, like a cartel town, because they were so desperate to come into the U.S.

33:12that they were literally like camping outside, picking up odd jobs. And people around town were like, those Haitians are such hard workers. And the reason is that they wanted to come into the U.S. And so that created these new pathways. And it's just going to suck because there's people like you think about Cubans and Venezuelans and people. Another kid I met, he showed me his scar. He was Cuban from being beat during the July 11th protests. That's what he said happened. And that's when he left Cuba. And it's like there are people with legitimate asylum claims who are going to be kicked out of the country, probably.

33:47Well, and there's also like. Yeah. I mean, there's also and no one has done a better job of explaining this than our own Ryan Graham. There's also the fact that, like, in all three of those instances, Haiti, Cuba and Venezuela, a good part of the reason why those countries are so fucked up is because of us. Yeah, I mean, you know, Haiti, we have never stopped messing around with their politics and screwing them. I mean, from the founding, from the original slave revolt through to the present day, we've never stopped screwing them over. So it's like, OK, if you don't want refugees to come to our country, why don't you stop creating refugee crises that force people to leave?

34:28Like most people want to stay in their home country. They're not excited about moving to, you know, like America's great country. But people like to stay where they're from. It's easier. Their family's there. Like they do know the culture. They don't get attacked by a president who's racist and hateful. from the stage and have all this shit happen to them. So, I mean, that's the thing that I get so disgusted with. And, you know, that you see, you know, now we're taking over Venezuela and it's like, OK, and if this doesn't work out, you're going to have another flood of Venezuelan migrants that you're all going to fucking demonize.

34:58And you're going to forget that 10 seconds ago, you know, we were the ones causing that problem. So the whole thing just utterly disgusts me from the lies and the blatant racism around it to the, you know, complete erasure and ignorance around our country's own repeated interventions there that help to create the chaos that these people are fleeing because Haiti has become. I mean, it is, you know, there are massive, massive problems and violence and poverty and all of that. So in any case, you know, I think probably the, you know, the assumption that they're going into Springfield next is correct.

35:32And Griffin, let's before Torre jumps in here, let's just real quick play the one where Trump says that they're not backing down whatever whatsoever in terms of Minneapolis. So we can just react to that quickly as well. We want to keep our country safe. We'll do whatever we can to keep our country safe. So are you pulling back? No, no, not at all. Not at all. Not at all. And that dovetails with he just posted on True Social some like unhinged greed about Alex Pretty being an insurrectionist and blah, blah, blah. So, you know, I think there was a moment of Susie Wiles or Trump himself recognizing Democrats had a bit of leverage when it came to the government funding.

36:13Democrats have all but already given up that leverage. And so now Trump can just go back to like, no, it's all systems go. We're not doing anything different. You know, it's we're going to continue in this in the same direction. We're not changing course whatsoever. Mm hmm. Yeah. And I noticed in those demands, like it's like the going back to the House Democrat demands, they're basically saying, please follow the rules. But they're way past that. Like the base wants you to say, we're going to start prosecuting you guys. Well, I mean, it has to be it has to be funding like you have to deal with the funding because, yeah, I mean, one of the demands is literally don't deport U.S.

36:53citizens. That's already illegal. Like, how are we negotiating over this or even the warrant thing? It's like that's already a violation of the Fourth Amendment. So what are we doing here? But, you know, I mean, they're whatever. So I think I said from the beginning, I thought that the posture and the switching of Greg Bivino out, Tom Homan in, Tom Homan is no softy or sweetheart either. He architected the child separation policy during the original Trump administration that this would be more for show. That doesn't mean that the reality on the ground in maybe Minneapolis might not change because they realize they're getting some court decisions against them.

37:31Maybe they go to a different place. Maybe it's Springfield, Ohio. The overall thrust is baked in. I mean, I think this is a core like part and parcel of what this administration is up to, not only with regard to immigration, but with regard to this sort of like show of force against their and warfare that they see it as like warfare being waged against their political opponents. Just what's up on the screen right now is this is I was at a like a migrant detention, not detention, a migrant like nonprofit place. It was like a Catholic nonprofit in Texas. And what they're showing on the screen, these Haitian men who haven't lived in Haiti for a long time since like 2010 are showing their asylum papers.

38:12And they were years and years into the future. And so that's just this is just to say like like three years, I think, in some of these cases, one of them might have had a five year court date into the future. And all that is just to say, like, there was a real expectation that people could build lives here. And here's that's why, you know, there are a lot of people who don't. Those communities were just thrust into such weird positions. Here's a group of Haitians in Reynosa. People can go watch this if they want. But it's people saying they were trying to explain in English, like why they were sleeping outside.

38:46I think that was the question. And at one point it was clear that they were struggling to come up with the words. And I said, oh, the American dream. And then they all lit up and they were like, yes, the American dream. And so this is where you're going to see communities like Springfield once again be absolutely like divided and chaotic because a lot of people have had great Haitian workers in their communities. And they have been there for a very, very long time now, like several years. And other people are going to say, get them all out. And it's just going to be. Yeah, it's about to get it's not it's not deescalating.

39:22It's about to get worse. Well, one last note with regard to that, Emily, because that's a genuine problem. You know, that there was such a backlog in the system so people could come in and whether their asylum claim was legit or not, they could claim asylum and then have the confidence it's going to take years before I ever this ever gets really worked out. By that time I'm established, I've made some money and been able to send it, whatever. The one big, beautiful bill that flooded ICE with ungodly amounts of money, making it the best funded law enforcement agency in history, making an immigration enforcement budget larger than the military budgets of every country except our own and China.

39:59OK, that bill explicitly limits the number of immigration judges that are allowed to exist. So if your goal is to like speed up that process and make that streamline and run more efficiently, that's something I'm for. Like I support that. I think that is a smart and something that it seems like everyone should get on board with. But they go in the opposite direction and say, no, we want to limit the legal pathways for people to be able to have their asylum claims adjudicated. And instead, we want to explore all of the ways that we can avoid due process and mass ship people out or scare them out with our cruelty.

40:41That's the direction that we want to go in. And so I think it's important for people to understand that is built in. That is like at the beating heart of their approach. And again, it's not just about immigration. It's about this show of force in the streets. It's about them truly believing they're like left of center opponents as being some like network of domestic terrorists that must be quashed and assaulted and defeated and arrested and scared, etc. Which, you know, I mean, the Don Lemon thing that we started with fits in with that whole that whole conception of of how they're approaching things as well.

41:20Well, speaking of legal status, that leads us nicely to Nicki Minaj and her new Trump gold card, which will lead us also nicely to our guest. So, Tori, Nicki Minaj has been doing this whole MAGA tour. She did the whole Erika Kirk moment. She now just had like a big Trump moment. He gave her the gold card to settle her immigration status. I think a lot of people's assumption is that her husband and her brother are in some legal trouble. And perhaps this is like an attempt to get in his good graces for a possible pardon or something of that nature. What is your assessment here? Does this MAGA turn from Nikki come out of nowhere to you?

42:08Or does this seem like something that makes sense given the way that she's positioned herself? The turn does come out of nowhere, except that we know that she's a long-term green card holder who clearly wanted to change that status and saw and knew that in this administration, you can kiss the ring and get almost anything. So we get this bizarre split screen of poor immigrants are running for their lives and getting deported and beaten and shot in the streets while a rich immigrant gets a pathway to citizenship. In an administration where you can be at the courthouse going through the proper steps and they arrest you and detain you.

42:54But she has had a green card and now she just gets a pathway. way, I don't believe that citizenship should be sold as a luxury good, especially as a personal choice of the leader that he happens to like you. You have kissed the ring. You have shown sufficient deference to his political perspective. So you get to be a citizen. I think becoming an American citizen should be much more egalitarian, should be much more of a broader opportunity for a widespread of Americans, widespread of non-Americans who don't necessarily have to suggest that they love personally the president to get a citizenship.

43:34Well, I'd like to stop you right there because there are questions if this gold card is even real, as reporting from The New York Times. This actually may not have conferred any legal status for her. Trump administration officials have said it's more of a token, like it was more of like just kind of like a symbolic gift, a souvenir and does not actually confer any legal status. Now, the gold card costs one million dollars and an additional 15 grand for a processing fee on top of that. And so Nikki, yes, has had some sort of legal status. She's not like a full citizen and she remains not a full citizen after this token green card.

44:21Yeah, we also have a video I want you to react to here, Toure, to show just a little bit of flavor of the meeting here. Hello guys, I'm with my favorite president, the best president of all time. And I'm with the queen of rap. now is she still the queen of rap no no not at all part of the thing is that a large portion of her fans are black and brown a large portion of them are LGBTQ especially trans she has been a trans and gay icon for a while so you know we keep talking about how she has betrayed a large swath of her fan base by doing this. And we don't really I don't believe that she actually agrees with any of the policies of the Trump administration.

45:19I don't think she knows any of the policies. We do know there are people who are like attracted to the personality of Trump. And I guess, you know, you can get to your political side whatever way you want. But I don't believe she actually knows or cares about any political ideal at all. Well, this is what I want to ask about, because she did during, people probably remember this because, I mean, honestly, it was hilarious. During COVID, she had this infamous post on X where she said, or Twitter at the time, my cousin in Trinidad won't get the vaccine because his friend got it and became impotent.

45:49His testicles became swollen. His friend was weeks away from getting married. Now the girl called off the wedding, so just pray on it. Make sure you're comfortable with your decision, not bullied. And there was this like... Oh, Zinj retweets. Oh, my God. There was this like sort of, you saw flashes of this from Nicki Minaj. She says that, or she's, It seems like her claim, the charitable claim, is that watching the plight of Nigerian Christians and seeing Trump's reaction to that has been part of what motivated her here. But I also wanted to bring up the Amber Rose of it all because. Boy, please do.

46:24Yeah. So this is Amber Rose, who was on a Sneeko stream, apparently, and said that she's the one who introduced Nicki Minaj to Alex Brzezowicz, the Trump appointee or not appointee, a Trump advisor outside of the administration, technically, I think, who then connected Nicki Minaj to Donald Trump. And it does seem like there's this interesting thing happening to Ray. Maybe it's it started happening after Butler. I don't know where there's there is like this rap community interest in Trump. Maybe that's after Butler. Like is tell us how Amber Rose fits into all of this. I mean, I don't know. This is more of loving as a personality.

47:07I don't believe I don't believe either of them could talk about any Trump policy or any Trump philosophy or any idea of Trump. I don't believe that they interact with the political spectrum in the way that we do as far as ideas. I think they hover over it as far as personality, as far as he seems like a cool, strong man. So then he must be the guy for the job. Tori, also talk. So, I mean, Trump was a fixture in like hip hop songs before he was a political figure. Right. And there is in mainstream hip hop, there is this like veneration of money and power and wealth and capitalism. So there is, you know, I don't know if this necessarily applies with Nikki.

47:57So there is a thing there that does make a sort of sense because his whole brand is being the unvarnished, brash, capitalist, billionaire boss man. And with Nikki specifically, I was watching the Bit Fruity podcast with Matt Bernstein. I don't know if you know him or watch him, but he's a gay guy and he did a breakdown with, I can't remember who his guest was, about Nikki's pivot. And they were also pointing to the fact that she has been very jealous of the other women who have come up in the rap game and has been, like, at times very hostile towards them. And so for them, it was, yes, and Megan Thee Stallion, and, you know, I don't know if there are others as well.

48:43But it's like rather than having this sort of like, you know, feminist view of I helped to be the trailblazer here and I'm so glad to see these other women following my footsteps. Instead, it's like, fuck y 'all bitches, like this is my domain. So I wonder if you see any connection there, too, with it, you know, not being that surprising that she would have this right wing turn, you know, at a time when the movement is explicitly the right wing movement is explicitly sort of like anti-feminist, certainly anti-queer, etc. I mean, she is, as you note, a sort of pivotal figure in modern hip hop history in that she is the one who sort of emerges and reminds the labels and the industry that women can be commercially successful.

49:29And the people who come after her, as far as Cardi, who Emily mentioned, and Megan and Glorilla, we're actually having a huge moment for a lot of black female rappers. There's also Lotto. There's also Saweetie. There's a lot of Sexy Red, somebody will say. There's a lot of black female rappers at this moment. It's a huge moment for that demographic. And who don't have to be attached to a larger male artist for their success. They are the thing on their own. Yeah, yeah. So it's an interesting moment for that. You know, yes, she has not been welcoming to the others. She has been super competitive and trying to eat up all the space.

50:12I think she's part of this sliver. It's been like 16, 17, 18 percent of black people who are willing to vote for Trump. But that's about the percentage that have been willing to go Republican for a long time. It's like three, four percent more. But like it's not a statistically massive difference. There was this sort of media drumbeat about black men, especially going over to the right. It happened in a very, very small, statistically insignificant amount. But there is a small group of black people who are willing to go over there. And Nikki is one of them. I mean, like I just, you know, I grew up in a time when Republicans could articulate their position.

50:55and I disagreed with them, but they had an idea. When they talked about, you know, limited government and taxation, this group is just reactionary. They're just evil. They're just hateful toward people who are not them. So the appeal from a Nicki Minaj, I don't understand, except a personal transactional, I will get you a citizenship or maybe an honorary citizenship. Is it just citizenship? Young Money, he's talked about. Is it citizenship or is it these pardons? Like, do you know much about her husband or her brother, like to her family? Like they're experiencing some level of criminal charges or what have you.

51:39Could the pardon be the real thing here? I mean, it could. You know, I mean, that also has been controlled under Trump as this sort of personal thing that he gives to you if he likes you. Not if he believes in your case and believes from a jurisprudential perspective that you deserve relief, but if he likes you and he personally likes your story. So, yeah, I mean, perhaps we'll see. Like if she kisses the ring sufficiently, then her husband, who has, you know, horrific charges from many years ago, if he will get, you know, magically pardoned or expunged, you know, it's a pay-for-play sort of system.

52:20And she didn't even have the pain to get into it. It seems that she got this for free. Like, what are we doing here? Well, when you're talking about how it's a lot of this vibe based, I was thinking of how in Hollywood for a long time, there was a sort of vibe base. I don't know if conformity is the right word. Maybe it is the right word where it was like, OK, Obama, we're back in Obama or we're backing John Kerry. And like you keep going back. But it's interesting to me that it's kind of flipped in a sense where you have now people vibe based going to Trump. And I don't think that ever will translate into another Republican.

52:57I feel like that's just a Trump phenomenon. It's not going to go to J.D. Vance or Marco Rubio. Like you're not going to see the Nicki Minaj's. I don't know. Maybe you disagree, too, right? Like going because to me, it just speaks to Trump having this like countercultural whatever we think of of whether it's legitimate or not. He has this like countercultural reputation as like someone who undermines the system. He's going to drain the swamp, et cetera. And that's never going to like it's never going to transfer to another Republican. Yeah, I largely agree with that. I think of Trump as an extremely unintelligent person, as in there's a very small ability to analyze and integrate new information.

53:39There's a very small amount of information in his memory. Like there's no subject to say he is a national or a global expert on this subject. But he is an interpersonal genius as far as getting a certain kind of person to like him. He can speak to their fears. He can motivate them and inspire them to follow him. It works on a certain swath of America. It's that solid 35 % of America that sticks with him no matter what. But he is that. And I think you see that on the campaign trail much more than in the Oval Office. But, like, he does have a genius for getting on the mic and getting a certain sort of person, mostly male, mostly poor, but also rich, mostly white, to really, really like him and to think he's the guy.

54:34So there is a genius. There is an interpersonal genius that works for him. But I think in any other area of intelligence, he is completely bereft. I mean, I also see like Emily put up the infamous COVID tweet where, of course, it's mostly like liberals and people left of center that are like, what the fuck is wrong with you? What is this like? What are you talking about? And then, you know, you have also and you can speak to this much more so than I could. This is someone who's not at the top of her career. Right. And so there's, you know, that as well, where it's sort of like grasping for relevance.

55:08Then you have filtered into that this very variety basket of self-interested reasons why you want to take this track. And so to me, you know, I've seen a lot like Joe Rogan comes to mind also as someone who felt like really demonized over things he said around COVID. And then it's like, I'm just a right winger now. Right. And, you know, I've seen other people who basically made that similar turn of, you know, I feel attacked by the left. Therefore, I'm going to flip all of my politics to the right. I don't know that we ever really knew that much about Nikki's politics to start with that. Like, to your point, I don't think she had like a lot of ideological grounding to really upend to begin with.

55:50But it seems to me when you put all of those pieces together, I feel attacked by the left. I am, you know, sort of grasping for relevance. I have these basket of legal and immigration problems I want dealt with. I, you know, like being the center of attention and on the stage, etc. That it kind of like you can see how she ends up traveling this trajectory. One thing about hip hop in general is you are supposed to get on the mic and tell us about who you are and tell us about where you're from. And so we should walk away feeling like we know you and what your world is all about. In rock and roll and R &B, you may or may not ever know what the person is really about.

56:31And a lot of the songs are fictional. When somebody says, I love you in R &B or rock and roll, like they're talking to a fictional you. In hip hop, if somebody says, I love you, they are talking to a specific person. Or I hate you, they're talking to a specific person. Nicki in particular has always bothered me because she never talks about herself. I listen to Nicki's music. I don't know anything about her. She's always playing a character. And sometimes it's the Harajuku Barbie sort of character. She doesn't have a variety of alter egos, right? Yes, she has different characters that she plays over time.

57:08And like Beyonce has different eras, but I feel like they are rooted in who she is. Nikki, I feel like she's an actor and she's a theater kid who she's doing different roles. So I'm like, this is the new chapter of Nikki, which is MAGA Barbie, as opposed to previously she was Harajuku Barbie. It's none of it is real. It's not a genuine desire to to relate to Trump or Trumpism. It's just this is the new character that is valuable. It gets her attention. It gets her potentially possibly citizenship, possibly a pardon for, you know, her husband. and so there's value in it, right? She's not really making records at this point that are charting, that are hitting the culture.

57:54But here's a way to get everybody to look at you, which is similar to what Kanye did. And I'm sure Kanye's like, well, at least I did it at the beginning of Trump and not near the, you know, near the end or the middle. I mean, like, I don't know how you can look at, you know, Renee and Alex and say, yeah, I still want to be on that team. Like, I joined that team now. Like their stock is incredibly low. The approval rating is incredibly low. Surely they are moving toward the end. So you're joining the party now? Like, I don't understand that. Yeah. And now to the Barb's point, is there going to be a Barb's backlash?

58:37Now, I'm not so sure because as you mentioned yourself on this episode, she has a lot of gay fans. And I know a lot of, you know, gay guys that stand a toxic woman. They say, you know what? You're being toxic. Go off, girl. You know, like some people like that. Now, so will she have a backlash in the barbs or will the barbs stand valiantly with her? I think she has already seen a significant barb backlash. If I recall, she quit Instagram over this not long ago. that people started attacking her online over this MAGA turn, and she quit Instagram because she couldn't handle the comment flow, and she didn't want that to become part of the story.

59:25So I do think that the Barb's are definitely already responding in an aggressive way. And I think that the toxicity point you mentioned, there's a fun way for someone to be toxic, and there's a truly virulent way for someone to be toxic. And somebody sort of, you know, a woman who's sort of domineering and humiliating is a good toxic. And like a woman who's like MAGA is like, no, that's not fun toxic. That's just bad toxic. That's different flavors of toxic. Lastly, Tori, I wanted to get your reaction to the big news that broke this morning that Don Lemon's been arrested in L.A. over his coverage of this church protest.

1:00:09You know Don, don't you? I do. I do. I texted with him about this issue and supported him on this is what 60 Minutes used to do, that coverage out of that church situation. That's what 60 Minutes used to do. That's real journalism. The notion that he was leading a mob into a church is completely backwards. He was covering a situation that was happening on the ground. This is a politically motivated arrest meant to silence people like us. And the conversation keeps going to whether or not they could or should have protested in the church. Don was not protesting in the church. He was media in the church.

1:00:51And generally, we protect that. This is this whole story. The whole arrest is protecting against the notion of we have a pastor, a Christian pastor who is in ICE. So all of this is protecting that man. And if we cannot talk about the hypocrisy of a Christian pastor being in ICE on Sunday talking about love thy neighbor, help the stranger, would Jesus have joined ICE? Of course not. Like Jesus was flipping the tables. He put God over the state. And being in ICE reverses every Christian principle. So what those protesters were doing was righteous in calling attention to his hypocrisy as a Christian.

1:01:35And the right and the administration has tried to turn this around about you can't protest inside a church. That is not the crux of this issue at all. Yeah, I would also note they haven't treated churches as sort of like sanctified spaces because they've done immigration raids and explicitly overturned previous policy to do immigration raids during church services as well. We are not investigating the man who shot Rene, the man who shot Alex, but we are investigating Don Lemon, a journalist with a microphone who interviewed people on the scene of an ongoing story. Like, yeah. Well, and anyone can watch the live stream.

1:02:21You know, it's, I believe, still posted on his channel. If you are concerned that he was taking part in the pro, that he was leading them into the building, that he was serving, you know, just as an activist and not as a journalist. Like, you can go watch it for yourself and make your own determinations because it actually was quite helpful having him there and interviewing the people that were there and getting, you know, all of their perspectives, including the pastor who was there. Not the ice pastor, a different pastor who was there leading services and obviously was very upset by the protest.

1:02:50Torrey, tell people where they can find you and support all of your great work. All over the place. I'm on TikTok at Torrey Show. I'm on YouTube. Have you noticed any censorship over at TikTok last week? You had problems? I haven't. There was a couple days when they told us not to post because the app was not working. I do see an influx in these text-only posts that are like pro-ice and sort of mocking liberals and that sort of thing. I haven't seen that. Although, you know, somebody I really like, I believe Hawkeye was his name, who is a great liberal creator and quite often spend his time platforming other people.

1:03:34if he liked a post of mine or a video of somebody else's, always liberals, he would like, you know, throw them up so give them more visibility. They banned him permanently. And, you know, this is just, you know, a guy just, you know, fighting a good fight and just spreading good common sense messages. And it's frightening to see him get banned permanently. So that's been the biggest change that I've noticed in the recent days. Gotcha. But in case I interrupted your pitch, TikTok, where else? No, TikTok and YouTube. TikTok for now and on Substack as well. All right, Torrey, thank you so much. Great to see you, my friend.

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