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28:34I'm Googling. And he was able to make things happen. We're going to start our own Peace Award that's going to start to be a competitor with a new list of candidates. Who deserves the Peace Award right now, Ryan? I mean, I would think, like, doctors in Gaza, like, doctors and nurses in Gaza. Like, the abs, or the civil defense, like, the people who, knowing that there's going to be a double tap strike, still rush to the building to pull people out of it. Like, that, those, those are the, that's the best of humanity. Under the worst conditions. Yeah, I absolutely agree. Selflessly putting your, your body on the, on the line to help others that you don't know.

29:16So, you know, that should be what the Nobel Peace Prize is for. Yeah. Well, do we want to move to Chicago? Well, I was going to say, Crystal, I think it sounds like your memory is correct. That is, that's actually what happened. I thought so. Yeah. Yeah. I remember Sagar and I talking about that one. Wild stuff. All right. Well, just every aspect of that is wild. moving on to chicago uh christy noem is doubling down and uh looking to get more office space here in chicago let's take a listen already is we're purchasing more buildings in chicago to operate out of we're gonna not back off in fact we're doubling down and we're gonna be in more parts of chicago in response to the people there and then i was there a few days ago and looked at some facilities that we can deploy more law enforcement out of because what they're trying to do with these riots and violence is distract us and keep us from going after those murderers and rapists that are out on the streets.

30:21And then I was in Portland, went out and back on 240. All right. So more offices. We also do have a video here outside an elementary school that I wanted to play just here at the top. This was from a recent ice raid on an elementary school where they grab the mother out of the car as she's picking up her child.

30:54Just so people know as they're watching this, at least according to the reporting I saw, this woman that you'll see here is a DACA recipient, and they actually had to release her. So after she's there picking up to pick up her kids from elementary school, something a lineup many of us will be familiar with. And they follow her. They forcibly pull her out of the car. She's screaming again right outside of this elementary school where her children and other children are. And according to what I saw, like I said, she had legal status. So they ended up having to release her. So all of this, you know, show of force with these dudes, most of them, again, masked up, etc.

31:37and terrorizing an entire elementary school population for someone who, in the end, turns out has legal status. And by the way, it is a mom. Like, this is not some violent criminal gang member, trender, Aragua, whatever. This is like a mom who's going about her life trying to pick up her kids from school. And I don't know what happened to those, you know, those kids when they're waiting for mom and mom's just been snatched off the street by Trump's thugs. I think an important point in that, Crystal, is they purport to be targeting people with some measure of intelligence. And we've already seen that there's a surveillance apparatus being built in order to target people.

32:20And this is a just staggering, not shocking, but staggering display of incompetence. When you are building these, you're paying all of this money, taxpayer dollars to surveil, And you're picking up a DACA, someone who is here with legal status and doing it like this is just, I know we're going to talk about this later, but they are squandering any, squandering certainly any like public opinion that was in their favor for sure at this point. Yeah, immigration officials, immigration attorneys that I've spoke to have said that this phenomenon of DACA people getting swept up is fairly widespread. And oftentimes, they don't get out very quickly.

33:09The administration is reinterpreting all – because immigration law is extraordinarily complicated and based on decades of stitched together precedents. and you can be in deportation proceedings but still have legal status. And then the administration will say, well, we reject this legal status. And it all goes back to these quotas that Stephen Miller has put into place. So they are basically just sweeping up as many brown people as they can and then asking questions later and seeing who they can kind of make the deportation stick and also who they can persuade to kind of give up the fight because you put them, you know, you put them in these like deplorable conditions and you can end your suffering at any minute by saying, okay, fine, I will go back to El Salvador.

33:59Um, even though you have a legal status and you can stay here, but it could take you weeks or months or even years. They don't know. So a lot of people just give up, um, in the face of that, that raw power. Yeah. And I think, I mean, so I, I kind of reject the idea that it's incompetence because I think this is all part of the plan. I mean, it genuinely is like a mass terror campaign to scare people into either leaving or to chill dissent. I mean, we have increasing numbers of American citizens who have been either injured or illegally detained, arrested by ICE, held without the ability to make phone calls for hours, if not days at a time.

34:43Of course, we saw the apartment raid. It doesn't surprise me that Kristi Noem is saying we're going to double down on Chicago because in my view, what they're also courting is some grand confrontation that they can use in order to justify Trump invoking the Insurrection Act. And there's reporting to that regard. They've gotten and they've gotten more, you know, the community in Chicago is very upset. And so you have a lot of activists who are following ice around and honking horns to let immigrants know that they're coming. You know, the atmosphere appears, I'm not there on the ground, but appears to be somewhat charged.

35:22And so I think that they believe that Chicago is their best bet with a Democratic mayor and a Democratic governor who may be a presidential contender to get this grand confrontation that they want to justify further consolidation of their power. And as I said, an invocation of the Insurrection Act, which would mean that they could deploy National Guard much more readily and that the National Guard that's deployed would not be subject to the limitations that they currently are. Namely, you know, in D.C., we saw National Guard was mostly like kind of assisting ICE to the extent that they're, you know, sort of even colorably able to, but also just like standing around and picking up trash.

36:01If you have the Insurrection Act, then you no longer have those same restrictions on what the National Guard can do. So I think that's part of what's going on here. I covered, and I just think it's worth emphasizing, you've already had people, you had one person who was shot and killed, an immigrant who was shot and killed by federal agents in or around Chicago. And you had this other woman that I covered on the show who they claimed had rammed them with her car and then brandished a semi-automatic weapon. At least the semi-automatic weapon part of that has already turned out to be just a complete and utter fabrication.

36:38They shot her five times. Okay, American citizen, immigration activist, but American citizen, she, her lawyer now says that their body camera footage reveals they actually ran into her. The agent in question who shot her five times said, do something, bitch, and then jumped out of the car with his weapon and began firing. So we already already we have incidents like this. And this is still very much in the early phases. One thing that is noteworthy and somewhat hopeful if I mean, if it's enforced, if it's not overturned on appeal, et cetera, there have been some significant limits put on the federal government in Chicago specifically some court rulings that have come down.

37:22We just got one where they're saying, no, you can't at least temporarily for now. It's a temporary restraining order. You cannot send the Texas National Guard. Meal Team 6 is not allowed to come into Chicago. They said, you know, basically like it's ridiculous. There's no insurrection. And the judge in their ruling said it on the condo, like it's the exact opposite of what you're saying. Not only is there not chaos and insurrection sufficient to justify this, but you are the ones trying to stoke the chaos, which I think many reasonable people looking at the situation would agree with, especially after we know that in Portland, the federal government's own internal assessment said that those protests were, quote unquote, low energy before Trump came in and said, oh, war ravaged Portland and we got to send in the National Guard and we got to do all of this.

38:10There was also another decision that may lead to the release of hundreds of the immigrants that they've detained that says they're in violation. The federal government is in violation of a consent decree with regard to how they pick up these immigrants and the way that they're using widespread warrantless arrests of immigrants, which is illegal. And then you had also a decision that came down that was related to their indiscriminate use of chemical weapons. We also had a priest who got shot in the head with a pepper ball or pastor, you know, religious figure. I'm not sure what his exact designation was.

38:47And we've also seen reports about them, pepper spraying. They pepper sprayed the frickin' Chicago Police Department. They pepper sprayed outside of an elementary school so the kids couldn't go outside for recess. We've seen activists, journalists, anyone who's just there recording, getting sprayed directly in the face. And so there was also a decision that came down that was like, you can't do that. You can't just spray journalists and activists. You're violating their First Amendment rights by using these riot control weapons in such a widespread and careless manner. Well, and I just want to say, because I don't disagree that what you just laid out, there's a broader effort to chill any migrants who may be here to encourage what they call self-deportation.

39:34I don't disagree with that. The incompetence, to me, reminds me a lot of—the reason I invoked that description is because it reminds me of what happened with Mutmuk Khalil and Ramesha Ozturk, where they're relying on, like, what, Canary Mission? And they get these, like, lists of people who are apparently giving material support to terrorists. And then just to, in Chicago, it may be literal, but metaphorically, shoot first, ask questions later. And I do think that's strategic. I think they're sort of like, that's their strategy. I just think that strategy is like politically, morally ridiculous.

40:13And so that's where the incompetence came. Like that's where I was using that description because it's like I'm saying this as a conservative. Again, I know we're going to talk about this, but like I'm watching all of this happen. And I'm like they think they have this mandate. They think they have the wind at their back, all of this political capital. And they don't because what they're doing is absurd. And so it's just like it's so stupid all around. I think that leads nicely to this next clip where it seems like, yeah, most people are kind of aware of what the government is trying to do with all this.

40:46Let's take a listen to our favorite. I guess he's a priest now. Did he convert? I was wondering what is going on with that, too. Yeah. Is he doing a Russell Brand moment here? We'll have to see. We'll have to look into that later. But let's take a listen to Rogan here on these. Let's just talk about the immigration thing. The way it looks is horrific. when you're just arresting people in front of their kids and just normal, regular people that have been here for 20 years, that everybody who has a heart can't get along with that. No. Everybody who has a heart sees that and goes, that can't be right.

41:22That can't be right. That can't be the only way to do this. Right. Because you have to think, look, yeah, we have to have a border. Yes, it should have been secure. Yes, they should make sure you know who everybody is before they get in. But when people have been here for 20 years, like, come on. Come on. That's crazy. Yeah. Let's find a way. If they've been productive members of society for 20 years, no criminal record, they worked the entire time, they paid taxes, find them a pathway to citizenship. Find a way where you can do this thing that you want to do, which is keep terrorists and cartel members from getting across the border with drugs that kill 100 ,000 people a year.

42:02Okay. but also have a fucking heart. Because if you don't, you're not gonna get anybody on your side. If you're doing this stuff publicly, throwing women to the ground, handcuffing people, just for existing on the wrong side of the dirt. Not a criminal, the only crime they ever committed was coming over here as a kid. They probably didn't even know what the fuck was going on. Yeah, yeah man. You know a lot of kids got snuck across when they were already born in Mexico. And they've grown up their entire life in America, they can't even speak Spanish. Well, I mean, part of that is Rich Jude wants to pass the citizenship for millions and millions of people.

42:38But I will set that aside and say he has that is a perception that most average normie Americans are going to have. And they're not wrong to have that perception either. And Zach Bryan, I think we have this, who he's been on Rogan. I think he's like, just again, normie, veteran, super popular with young, like white dudes. I like Zach Bryan. I think he's pretty good. And he has this new snippet of a song. He previewed one of his new songs, and it's about like ice banging down your door. And John Rich from Big and Rich called for him to be Dixie Chicks and said like Bud Light should sponsor his tour or something like that.

43:17It's just like, again, there's always this. I saw someone say, you know, what a shock that liberals are getting beer, country music and football in the national divorce. Yeah, it's so funny. But this is the thing. The right was always criticizing the left for being in bubbles. And I think we all know that that's true. But now the right has the reins of power. And they're putting themselves, they're ensconcing themselves in this thick bubble now, too, by saying anybody who disagrees with us is a lib. Anybody who disagrees with us is basically pro-Kamala. And that just means you tune out all of the like just well-intentioned feedback that you're getting when people see clips like the one that we just played on the show.

44:04And you have influencers following Kristi Noem around acting like this is some generational political genius. Like this entire master plan is some generational political historic stroke of genius. and they're just isolating themselves from like normie people who are looking at this and being like this is is not uh of course there are some people who say this is exactly what i voted for but that's definitely not most of the country um and so they're they're isolated i think from all of that let me read this lyric for a sec from zach bryan one of the biggest musicians on the planet it says his lyric is i heard the cops came cocky mfs ain't they uh ice is gonna come bust down your door try and build a house no one builds no more but i got a telephone kids are all scared and all alone then a response from the dhs stick to pink skies dude says department of homeland security assistant secretary trisha mclaughlin in a response um so yeah i hate these people so much it does feel like they're pushing it too far like yeah well and ryan i want to ask you that i actually want to ask both of you guys this, all three of you this, because Sagar and I have been like having a little bit of a debate about whether they think this is they genuinely believe this is politically advantageous for them or whether they don't care because they're not that interested in whether they're going to have to face voters and they don't think it's going to be that consequential whether they have to face voters.

45:38I did note Dominion voting got sold to some like Republicans stop the steal apparatchik. So that's a little ominous. Got to look into that more to find out what that means. But I mean, that is my concern is that as much as they are in a bubble, and I think they are in a bubble, that they're not doing these things because they think they're popular. They're doing it because they want a one-party state. They're doing it because they're really going for it and trying to consolidate power so that future elections are more or less meaningless. Now, Sagar disagrees with that. He thinks they genuinely believe that this is like based and popular and that this is a good political trajectory for them.

46:21So I'm curious what you guys, you know, what you guys thoughts are on that. I'll just say super quickly, I agree with Sagar. Like we obviously know some of the players in this personally, and my take on this is like pretty firmly. They genuinely think that this is popular. Now, there may be some people in the mix, like Stephen Miller, who I don't really know personally, who maybe it's a combination of both. Like they think it's super popular and based and they also don't care if it's not. But a lot of them like genuinely think that this is the will of the American people and that normal people see these videos and are like, hey, had to happen at some point.

46:56Too bad. Welcome to the A-Building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. have both been assassinated. And Black America was at a breaking point. Rioting and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's alma mater, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in Black history, Martin Luther King Sr. and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution, I mean, people were dying. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone.

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48:33What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. NLP, a.k.a. Neurolinguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain.

49:09It's about engineering consciousness. Mind Games is the story of NLP, its crazy cast of disciples, and the fake doctor who invented it at a New Age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all? NLP might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, my take, and I'm curious, this accords with what Emily thinks, that Stephen Miller is a hardcore ideologue. Like, he has a worldview, he has the power, he has the time in power, and he's going to execute it.

49:58and he's also like a disturbingly young guy. He's going to be around for a very, very long time and who knows if he ends up staffing like every coming Republican administration. But that he thinks that he can basically create new realities by reshaping the country and that old ideas about how this particular issue polls week to week will be out the window because he's so thoroughly revolutionizing what's happening inside the United States. And it's driven by this like end goal ideology that is as extreme as anything. What is that end goal ideology? What are the realities that he thinks he's changing?

50:40Well, as Trump said it, he said if Stephen Miller had his way, there'd be 100 million people in this country and they'd all look like Stephen Miller. Like that's what Donald Trump said about Stephen Miller. This 100 million number has been coming up a lot in memes lately. the Department of Homeland Security has been doing these fan cams where they're like these edits where it's like America, if there was only 100 million people in it and it's just all white people frolicking around, they use old 90s TV shows where the cast is all white and stuff. It's like, oh, every show will be like Friends again or it's just white people.

51:20I don't know. This 100 million number is starting to really come up. Yeah.

51:28They started in 2024. I'm sorry, when they came into office in 2025, the Biden administration had just brought in what, like eight to 10 million people in the period of three years who had precarious legal situations. Some of them, and this is like the health care debate with the shutdown, some of them are perfectly here legally because Biden expanded the pathways. And that's true of many, many people. Some of them are here illegally without documentation. And so they did have this like big, and most of the country wanted some solution to this precarity, mass precarity among all of these migrants.

52:07They wanted the border closed. The Trump administration has basically closed the border. But they took that and have now said it's like permission to expand this police state and to like militarize the operation in what like Elgin, Illinois, as I think we talked about last week, a suburb of Chicago. And these are very, very different things, not just politically, but also morally. And the idea that they have permission to, like, do helicopter immigration enforcement, again, politically and morally in Elgin, it's just, I mean, like, and to detain American citizens. all these are they're very very different things and they don't seem to I think they genuinely are not aware of that because they've put themselves in this like trench mentality where it's like you're with us or you're against us completely and you're with the the trend de Aragua cartel it's just yeah anyway well and I think Ryan's point is important one because there may be people in the Trump administration that think this is politically beneficial and then but the person who really matters the most, I would say at this point, is actually Stephen Miller, because he certainly seems to be running the show.

53:20And so, you know, my sense is the same as Ryan's that I don't think anyone would disagree. This is a diehard ideologue who does not believe in America as a diverse society. He doesn't believe in the idea of a melting pot. He believes in a white, a blood and soil, white ethnostate. And he wants to make it so that the people he doesn't count as American, don't get to have a say in the future of the country. So whether that's, you know, through, you know, the terror campaign that, you know, both effectuates deportations, but also effectuates a mass exit of people who no longer feel comfortable in this country, because remember, we now have the Supreme Court says, hey, you can do Kavanaugh stops, you're allowed to just harass people because they're brown and at a car wash or whatever.

54:07So that plus, and Griffin, maybe you can pull this about the latest reporting on NSPM7 and the way they're going after ActBlue and anything linked to George Soros whatsoever, indivisible and pretending these are part of some like Antifa terror network and targeting them through the FBI, through the IRS, through the whole of government. So his idea is basically the people who oppose me and the, you know, black and brown people that I don't consider to be, quote unquote, real Americans, we're going to make it so they don't really have a say. So they don't really count in the future. And, you know, all of these escalatory steps, which are intentionally provocative, which every time you see these raids, they got camera guys falling behind so they can publish them so they can further inflame and advertise their, you know, fascist tactics.

55:03So that every time they do that, they are courting this broader confrontation that will allow them to grab even more power. And I just don't think it's deniable at this point that that's the plan because they're already well along the plan. I mean, they practically announce it out loud. So that's what we're in the midst of. And what I struggle with is articulating both the grave seriousness of that, where he truly, you know, we are already in a different country than we were before Trump 2.0 came into office. Like, we'd been sliding in this direction, but now we are in a different country than we were previously.

55:38That is a very grave situation. And then also a bunch of these people are like utterly clownish buffoons. You know, the National Guard meal team six is like a perfect example of this or, you know, RFK up there like, oh, you know, circumcision and Tylenol and autism, whatever. So it's it can be hard to wrap your head around people who are idiots and clowns, but who also are ideologues and are are very effectively implementing an extreme and radical plan to turn this country into something that it was not previously. yes there's been a lot of crackdowns Trump actually name checked DSA as one of the groups that he is going to be looking to as well and yet it does seem like they are trying to define what Antifa means and who Antifa is still which I think leads us perfectly to our final segment we wanted to get in the public half here I was going to say we should get some like Julio or Andy Ngo to come on and debate Antifa We'll set something like that up.

56:43Let's get it. That sounds like an after-party booking. I love it. Let's do it. Let's get them on here. All right. Well, I think this leads us perfectly to our last segment. Really important to hear about Jesse Waters and Antifa. Yes. Crystal, I'm going to pull this up if you can break it down. We have these images here. Do we have the guests? So he's accused Jesse Waters of he likes to use these masked guests. Yes. And so we had one here. The most recent is like some Antifa guy. That's the one on top who looks remarkably similar to a previous mass guest who he had, who was supposedly like a Mexican cartel member or something like that.

57:22We've got ex-gang members. They're all just trying. Also looks remarkably similar to this guy on the bottom who, I don't know, was this guy supposed to be like Hamas or something like that? It's like it's always sunny. The gang goes jihad. That's what this looks like. that bottom one, it looks like almost like a filter, not even like real things. Anyway, people are noticing that this character appears to be the same character. If you listen to them, they sound similar. They have the same mannerisms. People are speculating that it might be this, you know, this Robert O 'Neill guy. I don't know if that's true.

57:55They actually denied it. Fox News did deny that it was Robert O 'Neill. Nevertheless, it certainly appears. We're not claiming that either on the show. No, it doesn't look like him to me. No, we're not claiming that. Oh, really? I do think it looks like him. Crystal, we're not claiming it. We don't know. This is all, as far as we know on the record, these are all different guys. Let's take a quick listen to them. Recruiting, working with youth, getting, you know, and just going out, spitting out the message. And the thing is, too, you know, a lot of people get into it because. I kind of laughed when I saw two things.

58:28I saw that he had allegedly stated that one of his motives or reasons was to support Black Lives Matter. About ninth grade or so. Get on a few years. Growing up in Seattle, we had the riots in 99. All right. So those are all the different gentlemen that Jesse has had on the show recently. Antifa people really call them riots. don't tell me this doesn't look don't tell me that looks similar so Crystal I was able to get I did a little bit of investigative journalism here guys and I wanted to talk to someone who's known Jesse for a long time who could speak to his character and whether or not he would be the sort of person who would you know put the same guy on TV three times in three different bandanas and claim he was totally different people and, you know, try to sell this to the public.

59:33So I would say you go ahead. You pre-taped you pre-taped this and Ryan and I have not we have not seen this. We're you told us about it. We're excited. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So so let's go ahead, Griffin, if you can pull up this interview I was able to get with Jesse Waters, frat brother, who also happens now very relevantly to be the Grand Dragon of the Antifa Global Jihad Network and also serves as Gavin Newsom's comms director. So a lot that he a lot that he brings to the table here, quite a noteworthy guest. Griffin, if you could go ahead and play this. Joining us now, we have Jesse Waters, former frat brother.

1:00:12He now serves as Grand Dragon for the Antifa Global Jihad Network and also as Gavin Newsom's comms director. From an undisclosed location for the purposes of this interview, we'll call you, let's say, Lyle. Welcome to the show, Lyle. Hey, thanks for having me. Yeah, of course. Anything you could tell us about Jesse, his character, what he was like when you knew him in college? Yeah, he was a terrible guy. Chronic liar, smelled really bad. He's smug, full of himself. Me and him actually played Division I bocce ball together. and the team had a nickname for him. We called him Tadpole because when we saw him in the shower, me and the guys were like, damn, that guy's hung like a tadpole.

1:00:55Wow, that's a lot of information. That's maybe more than what I was really looking for. But I appreciate the disclosure. Anything that stood out to you about him? Anything that was like odd or weird that he did in college that might inform our understanding of who he is today? Well, I mean, there was that time he cheated on his girlfriend with Bill O 'Reilly. That's how he got the spot on the O 'Reilly show. They used to rub falafels all over each other. O 'Reilly was into that. I've heard that, actually, before. I had heard something about that previously. So that does add up with some of the information that's already publicly on the record.

1:01:34I guess my final question for you, Lyle, is just what do you think of this new scandal that he's embroiled in? He stands accused of having phony people come on the show, pretend to be people that they are not whatsoever. You know, what do you think of the type of person who would do such a thing? I mean, that's it's that's disgusting, frankly. I mean, I think it should probably it should be at least a misdemeanor. It should probably be a felony. If you ask me, I think probably at least 20 years in prison, if you do something like that. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Pretty disgusting. I mean, disgusting.

1:02:07I all agree with that. All right. Well, thank you for that information, Lyle, and good luck with the terror network. I hope you do well there, evade the authorities or whatever you're up to. Thanks for having me. Okay, I have to say as the producer, I'm not endorsing any of this. I haven't fact-checked any of this. Well, that was a very risky interview because there are not many comms people for Gavin Newsom. So I think that our viewers are probably going to be able to narrow down the identity. Do not dox. Of that. Do not dox. Do not dox. Because, you know, this is somebody who took a personal risk to come out and in the public interest to reveal what he knows.

1:02:54So, yeah, I would discourage people from doxing. Share his lived experience. Yeah. Yes. It was brave. I told Lyle. I told Lyle how brave it was of him to come forward in that way. I will. I will reach out to him. And I noticed that you used a voice distorter. I noticed you used like an AI voice distorter to make him sound like somebody we're all familiar with. That was very clever. Just to throw people off, just to throw people off the scent, you know. But you know, the broader point here is that it is important for responsible journalists to vet their sources and to vet the people who are coming on the air to shed some light on these important questions about public affairs.

1:03:36And so that was, Crystal, I think that was excellent. Maybe Nobel Peace Prize worthy. I think Nobel. Yeah. Next year. I mean, I spent a lot of time with this individual before the interview. I can tell you a lot, like an extraordinary amount of time with this individual before the interview. Do you let him around your children? I certainly did my homework. I mean, I would. Yeah, absolutely. I would. I trust him on that level. That's how my connection with this source goes. Would you let him share your streaming equipment? do you think you would let him share your streaming equipment like would you ever share like a microphone i'll have to say is he has beautiful eyes share my streaming equipment later he is he has a striking beautiful eyes and i did uh reach out to jesse waters a request for comment on the tadpole issue they responded saying that he is a grower not a shower so i think

1:04:29so i just wanted to say we covered all of our bases here um but again if there are lawsuits I was not involved with this segment it's a family show anyways thank you to the Grand Dragon Gavin Newsom watch out you can't be this affiliated with these types of characters it's true yeah good advice beautiful journalism well done all around on that note after that Pulitzer winning piece of journalism we're going to move on to the second half of the show where we'll be doing other segments with the Grand Dragon. So BreakingPoints.com if you want to see that. If you want to support our journalists. If you want to support more interviews like that.

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