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24:57What's the difference in the amount of people that you've seen from today to previously? So when we first started coming, there definitely wasn't this amount of people. It was a lot, but it wasn't this amount to where it wrapped around the building. But lately it has been a lot. We were here last week and we were in line for two hours. And in a normal week, we usually run out of food about one o 'clock in the afternoon. Last week, we ran out of food about 1030. Reminder there too, that the number of service members who live paycheck to paycheck. And when they saw like, oh shoot, we may not get paid because Congress made no provision for that.

25:30Such a good point. We better take advantage of whatever resources we possibly can. Let me go and put Trump's truth up on the screen talking about how he's going to pay the troops. He says, Chuck Schumer recently said every day gets better during their radical left shutdown. I disagree. If nothing is done because of leader, he puts that in quotes, fair enough. Chuck Schumer and the Democrats are brave troops will miss the paychecks they're rightfully due on October 15th. That is why I'm using my authority as commander in chief to direct our secretary of war, Pete Hegseth, to use all available funds to get our troops paid on October 15th.

26:02We have identified funds to do this. Secretary Hegseth will use them to pay our troops. I'll not allow the Democrats to hold our military and the entire security of our nation hostage with their dangerous government shutdown. Radical left Democrats should open the government. Then we can work together to address health care. Many of the things they want to destroy. Thank you for your attention to this matter. So he's saying they've found some funds that they can move around to be able to get this next paycheck out to the troops. But I mean, And that's certainly a bandaid at this point and no telling whether or not that would continue to work at the next paycheck if this thing continues indefinitely.

26:38And meanwhile, many federal government, every other federal government worker is not getting paid. And Russ Vogt put out floated the idea that maybe they wouldn't even get that back pay. This is obviously, you know, you're playing with people's lives, first of all. And second of all, federal government is the largest employer in the country. So this also has major potential economic ramifications. Yeah. And I mean, Democrats right now, what is their incentive to come to the table and Republicans incentive to come to the table? Like both of them feel as though the stronger incentive is to stay away from actually negotiating and open the government.

27:11And I think the political incentive for Democrats is strong. I'm not convinced that they're actually you probably agree with this. My suspicion that they're I'm not convinced they're making the most of the politics. And I'm saying that like downstream or secondary to the substance, which is obviously there are people who are not getting paid. and Russ Vot is using this. I mean, I think according to a court filing on Friday, there have already been 4 ,000 layoffs of federal workers. So from the perspective of like average Normie Democrat, it's starting to look dire for how Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries, I mean, if I were average Normie Democrat, I would have zero confidence in either Chuck Schumer or Hakeem Jeffries at this point at all, both on the politics and on the substance.

27:54Republicans probably understand that they're going to take the blame in the media for what happens. And to some extent, they want the blame. Like Russ Vot wants to say, yeah, we are the ones who got rid of the 4 ,000 federal government employees. So, I mean, I don't think they're super concerned about that. But it seems as though Democrats have absolutely no plan to get out of the shutdown either because they're the ones withholding the votes. I mean, they're the ones who if they vote, if they decide to vote on the CR, whether it's the clean CR or whether they come to the table on health care, fine.

28:26But there seems to be nothing in the works for that either. Yeah, I think the Democrats feel pretty strong in their position right now because, first of all, all the polling that's come out. And I mean, it's logical. Republicans control government. And so they're shouldering most of the blame for the shutdown. Totally. And then they, you know, they certainly feel pressured from their base. Like, y 'all got to stand up. You got to do something. They look so dumb when they're trying to stand up. Like, I agree. Yeah, they're not great at it. They're definitely not great at it. And then you have, you know, the substance of what they're fighting on, these health care cuts and, you know, the subsidies that are going to go away.

29:01And this is something else Marjorie Taylor Greene has been talking about. They feel they're on very strong footing there, especially and maybe in particular because the vast majority of the recipients of those Obamacare subsidies are in red states. red states that didn't expand due to the Medicaid expansion. Now, so now you have, you know, a disproportionate number of the Trump coalition who are dependent on these health care subsidies for whom health care is just going to, I mean, the amount of premiums is going to go up. It's going to be insane. And you had Trump even say something about, you know, we got to deal with this health care thing, which I think they also took as a little bit of a crack in the edifice.

29:37You've got Marjorie Taylor Greene out there as a major crack in the edifice. So I think they feel like they're on very strong ground here, to your point about like, I don't see any sign. I was expecting, and I actually think from the beginning, there was reporting about how Chuck Schumer was looking for some kind of an out. And then the majority, not just the Democratic base, but the actual Democrats in Congress were like, what the fuck, dude? Like, no, you cannot, we are not down. We have to actually fight this. And especially with, you know, they're not, the Democrats in DC aren't connecting this fight to like what's happening in Chicago, what's happening in Portland.

30:11But the base very much feels activated. Of course. By seeing those images as well. And it's like, you can't fund this government. Like, they're threatening the Insurrection Act. You cannot fund these people. So, yeah, I don't see any sign that they're going to back down. And then the part with the layoffs is kind of, I mean, it's terrible. It's also kind of politically interesting. We put B3 up on the screen. Russ Vogt making this announcement. The rifts have begun. And for those who aren't in the know, rifts are reductions in force, which is D.C. speak for firing people. That's what's going on.

30:41And we had, as Emily mentioned, put B5 actually up on the screen first. You had some 4 ,000 workers who were announced as part of these rifts. You can see the most coming actually from Treasury and then from HHS. We'll talk a little bit more about that in a moment. Commerce, education, that's another significant one. Energy and housing and urban development and homeland security. That's where these layoffs are coming from. Now, they could be challenged in courts because there are there are limits to layoffs that you can do during government shutdowns. You're actually supposed to be more constrained during government shutdowns about the people that you can lay off.

31:16So court challenges could be coming to that. But we can put before up on the screen. One of the places I mentioned HHS was was really hit hard. More than 1000 CDC staff originally received layoff notices during the government shutdown. And, you know, some of these are really the type of people that I would think that you would want around. They said, including in units that respond to infectious disease outbreaks, analyze science and health data to develop policy, monitor the safety of employees. Among those who initially received those layoff notices was leaders of the CDC's response to a growing number of measles cases in the U.S.

31:53and abroad, including one official has more than 28 years experience overseeing a dozen federal agencies that have responded to outbreaks of Ebola, Marburg virus and Mpox in Africa over the years. Well, lo and behold, after this mass layoff, the Trump administration realized like, you know, some of these people, maybe this is going to be a problem for us if we keep them laid off. So we can put the next element back on the screen. Some of them were brought back on Saturday. The Trump administration raced to rescind layoffs of hundreds of scientists at the CDC who were mistakenly fired on Friday night in what appeared to be a substantial procedural lapse.

32:33Among those wrongly dismissed were the top two leaders of that federal measles response team, those working to contain Ebola in Congo, members of the Epidemic Intelligence Service, and the team that assembles the CDC's Wanted Scientific Journal. The reason I think this is interesting, Emily, is obviously I want these people to be doing their jobs containing measles and Ebola and whatnot. But also, the political assumption from the Republicans is that these layoffs are just meant to hurt Democrats. Democrats like the CDC, Democrats like the Department of Education. So if we make these cuts, that just hurts them.

33:05It's like, well, yeah, they don't want government workers to be laid off, but this is still your government. This is your administration that you're gutting and defenestrating and make it impossible to respond to crises like the measles crisis or potential hurricane response and things like that. So it's not it doesn't all cut in the direction of Democrats being upset about this. This also creates additional political problems for the Trump administration. We could see that from the fallout from Doge. Like there's a reason that Doge kind of ran aground because the cuts felt cruel. It was clear to people that you were hurting services that they relied on.

33:43And so it came with the political price for Republicans as well. Yeah, it'll definitely have a political price. I mean, it's unclear to me whether these will survive in court. I think the law is actually like pretty, I could genuinely see it being interpreted one or the other. I don't have like the full precedent in front of me. Yeah, I'm not an expert on it either. But yeah, I don't want to dig into it. It's like you understand why if you're Russ vote and you have a sort of longtime ideological commitment to shrinking the size of the federal government, you look at that and you can say, actually, this is a law that could be used in one way or the other.

34:18That's where your point about the political consequences, it's where you're seeing Trump move really quickly on getting the troops paid, for example. That's happening right away, immediately. But the reason that Elon's no longer part of Doge is that people felt that his approach to it was totally haphazard, which obviously it was, and ineffective. And everyone sort of secretly wanted Russ Vogt to be the one who was doing some version of Doge. And here, because of the shutdown and because of the law that demands the government actually reduce the spending, if there's a shutdown, then it's sort of like, hey, here's the opportunity for Russ Vogt to do some type of Doge 2.0.

35:00So, I mean, And his argument is that you can reduce these like that. It won't defenestrate the administration because these are reductive positions and all of that. But right now, I think it's actually unclear as to whether this is a negotiating tactic to squeeze Democrats to come to the table or if it's they actually think this will survive in court. I don't know, because when I look at the law, I think this actually could survive in court. But I mean, the Supreme Court has given them everything they've wanted, by and large, up to this point anyway, mostly through. Nobody's really ever done this.

35:34Mostly through the shadow talk. But, you know, in terms of like the Department of Education, which we could put B7 up on the screen, they you know, they as part of these rifts, they got rid of the entire special education department, which really I mean, that really bothers me. And I don't know, I was just thinking back, Emily, of like the Sarah Palin era Republicans where they made, you know, children with disabilities like a real priority. And, you know, as a pushback to what they would see as like the eugenics policies of pro-choice people and then, you know, the argument that a lot of babies with disabilities are aborted.

36:11And so there was this emphasis on so we have to take care of these, you know, these children whose lives are just as valuable and just as important as anyone else. So I don't know. This this does really, really bother me. But the the thing that I would say about the overall cuts and whether they'll be able to get away with it, I mean, I think they probably will because they had already got to the Department of Education and said that they're basically like winding it down. Well, you like it's very obvious legally in the past that would not be allowed. This is a an agency. It was created by an act of Congress.

36:42It can't be destroyed without another act of Congress. But the Supreme Court has not ruled on the merits on these things, but it basically said, well, for now you can do it. And that just means that basically means you can do it. And so I would expect it to be something similar here. You know, they've done something similar with regard to what's called rescission. So basically the administration not wanting to spend funds that were congressionally appropriated. And so the Supreme Court hasn't ruled on the merits of that. That's a big one. But they're just letting the administration go forward with it, using the shadow docket to not really make a decision, but let them have a free hand to do whatever it is they want.

37:22which also sort of screws up the ability to make any sort of deal with Democrats because based on the current legal landscape, Trump could come and say, oh, sure, I'll give you your health care subsidies. And then they, you know, fund the government and go back to work. And then it's like, no, we're actually not going to do that. And there's nothing to stop him from that because of the Supreme Court basically abdicating their duty to rule on these cases. So it does also make it complicated in terms of striking a deal. One other thing I'll say about I think the way Democrats are looking at this is, yes, Doge has sort of run aground.

37:56Yes, there had been less energy around gutting the federal workforce over the past couple of weeks. But it's not like that any of that had stopped. We just had the hundred thousand workers who took the fork of the road deal, you know, officially resign. What was that a week ago? So I think Democrats, I don't think this threat is as effective because they feel like, well, y 'all were doing this anyway. Like there was nothing stopping you from doing this anyway. This was all what was going on anyway. So, OK, you cut four thousand more people. That's terrible. That looks really bad for you. But we don't particularly feel more pressure around that.

38:31Yeah. And I mean, as long as to your point about Democrats feeling confident in their leverage or the reason that they're holding out on the shutdown, because it's these health care subsidies that, as Marjorie Taylor Greene has been saying, and we actually have this video, right, Crystal, that we'll play it. we'll play the Marjorie Taylor Greene video in, I think, the next block. We have her on immigration. We didn't pull her health care part, but yeah. So she was on Tim Dillon over the weekend, basically, and fleshed out more of this point that she's been making on CNN and other places about why the Trump administration is sort of missing the big picture of the day-to-day average American.

39:08She uses her own kids as an example who are going to see their premiums double because of the Biden 2021 subsidies being lapsing at the end of the year, expiring at the end of the year that like the for the average person, it kind of sounded like she'd been listening to our shows, to be honest, Crystal, because the point that she makes is on our show. She should. Invitations open. That's right. It's in the inbox. But and the DM box, actually. But all that is to say this argument about short term pain with the promise of a long term fix, like some long term like Republicans eventually will have the structural free market fix to health care.

39:42Just trust the Republican Party. Let those subsidies lapse. Pay double in your monthly premiums. Everything's going. That is an insane argument to make. On the other hand, for Republicans to come to the table with Democrats on health care subsidies for non-citizens, Republicans are not going to do that. They have zero incentive to do that. So until Democrats drop that, nobody has incentive to come to the table right now. So everything is pointing to a continuing shutdown going further and further. And some of it, it's like, for example, the special education cuts, they are trying to transition the Department of Education.

40:15Basically, it was already the bulk of what it was doing was administering grants and like overseeing civil rights. Civil rights stuff is going to DOJ. Overseeing of the grants, including these special education grants, goes to the Treasury Department. So again, in theory, but that hasn't happened yet. And I was gonna say, yeah, I was gonna say like with the same thing with what we were talking about the tariff policy earlier in the show, which is that like in theory, there is a way to do this that is coherent and makes sense and would be a bitter pill for the neoliberals to swallow. And in the same way with like the theory of Doge could be a bitter pill for like the, I don't know, the federal unions to swallow and the quote swamp to swallow and all of that.

40:55But then you have to actually see it working in a way that makes sense. Well, and actually Treasury was the department that got cut the most. So they're administering the grants now and they have fewer people to administer the grants. Fewer people to be able to do that. Yeah. Let me just play this last piece from Speaker Mike Johnson because this will actually set us up well for some of the stuff that's going on in Chicago. Talking about the Democrats and describing. So there's this upcoming there's a No Kings protest 2.0 coming up that they're trying to classify as some sort of like domestic terror event.

41:29Now, we covered the No Kings protest here last time. Very large, very widespread, entirely peaceful. There were zero acts of even like property damage, at least that I'm aware of. And it was mostly actually kind of like it was sort of like boomer Democrats more. It was less, you know, most of the youthful energy on the left is around has been around Palestine. This was more of, I guess, the kind of like traditional like backbone of the Democratic Party type of people. Not Antifa, I guess is what I'm trying to say. It was sort of women's marchy. Yeah, that's a good way of describing. So in any case, here's Speaker Mike Johnson describing this total like lib resistance protest as being a hate America rally.

42:13We're so angry about it. I mean, I'm a very patient guy, but I have had it with these people. They're playing games with real people's lives. The theory we have right now, they have a hate America rally that's scheduled for October 18th on the National Mall. It's all the pro Hamas wing and the, you know, the Antifa people. They're all coming out. Some of the House Democrats are selling T-shirts for the event. And it's being told to us that they won't be able to reopen the government until after that rally because they can't face their rabid base. Hate America rally. That's how he's classifying it.

42:47I mean, from a political standpoint, it makes complete sense that this is how Republicans are spinning it. It's funny for me because Mike Johnson is like he was he was kind of Freedom Caucus adjacent. And Republicans, like this is all tongue in cheek because they were the ones who were intentionally shutting down the government and defending it for years by withholding their votes. And that's technically the argument for blaming Republicans for government shutdowns over the last 10 plus years has been that they were the ones withholding their votes, which is a fair criteria if you apply it across the board.

43:19Now, the media has not applied it across the board in the case with Democrats. It's not to say that anybody like this. There are different arguments for shutting down the government. I have said over and over again that the incentive for Democrats to shut down the government here. We were just talking about this crystal is absolutely obvious. Yeah, it's inarguable. It would have been stupid for them to come to the table and make a deal right away from a political standpoint. That would have been stupid. I thought the same thing about Republicans during the Tea Party years. It's just funny then to see Republicans have the moral high ground, like play act as though they have the moral high ground.

43:50and be like, listen, very important things are just people need the federal government to work. It's very reckless and irresponsible to close down the federal government. They're not the best messengers for that while they're like, and we're cutting pediatric cancer research, by the way. I mean, it's just like they it's so stupid. Like, it's also it's just shutdowns are the dumbest thing in government. It makes us look so stupid. I mean, it's also like, I don't know, from the Republicans' perspective, I'm also sort of like, why don't you just give them the health care subsidies? Like, this is a political, major political problem for Republicans.

44:18that Trump's pollster Fabrizio said you have a looming major issue with this yep and so you know they I think again Marjorie Chela Greene I'm sure she's not the only one who recognizes we ran I think Trump really genuinely won primarily on cost of living right that was the you know there were others just two we're about to talk about immigration whatever there were other things but it was like things are too expensive my life has gotten worse because I cannot afford the groceries the way that I used to. I can't afford the rent. I can never buy a house. The cost of living crisis really animated his election.

44:56And you are going in the polar opposite direction of that. People's premiums are, millions of people's premiums are about to spike. Millions of people will not be able to afford healthcare if these subsidies are taken away. And you already had the cuts from the big, beautiful bill that's going to kick millions of people have the effect of kicking millions of people off of Medicaid. So what are you doing here? And by the way, you know, obviously the tariffs that we talked about before, like also cut in the opposite direction of making life more affordable for your average person. So it is a major political liability here that in a sense, Democrats are like trying to save them from themselves on.

45:36But they're so adamant about not giving even the appearance of a win to Democrats that they're unwilling to, you know, their line is basically like, oh, sure, we'll deal with that. But first you have to fund the government. And I think for most people, to the extent that they're tuned into this, like the ins and outs of this at all, are like, well, that doesn't mean why not just deal with it now, right? Why do we have to wait and take your word for it, which Democrats are definitely not going to take their word, that they're then going to negotiate and fix this problem down the road. Well, Republicans, one thing that they have to be really careful about, because if this is the political conclusion of the shutdown, is like, again, I think Republicans would be insane to give Dems what they want right now on this question of subsidies, any subsidies going to non-citizens just because the non-citizen population has particularly exploded in the last few years.

46:22And the Republican base would be furious about that. So the political incentives are not aligned for them to come to the table on that. What Democrats can do after it feels like this thing is running its course is come to the table and say, we want Republicans. We want to agree with Republicans that we need these healthcare subsidies almost just going to U.S. citizens. Like, of course, like that is a responsible thing to do. And then it will just be about the subsidies. As soon as Dems given on that, it's just going to be Republicans looking like they're saying no to those subsidies. And so when that moment comes, it's like that could be genuinely, I think shutdowns don't matter in the midterms.

47:03Yes. Yeah. But as soon as people's premium spike next year, Dems will have a huge talking point over and over again that this is what it was about. And on the point that you were making about Trump winning on cost of living, another thing the right forgets is that a lot of the cultural stuff was combined with the cost of living stuff because it made Dems look frivolous to be talking about identity politics when people were struggling. And so it gets to that again where like, yes, a lot of the country, some of these things are like 80-20 issues on culture stuff. But if you look like you're obsessed with culture stuff and not obsessed with cost of living stuff, which is what the Dems looked like under Biden, that does become a problem.

47:40If you look like you're obsessed with these ideological, generational ideological goals of defenestrating the administrative state that don't register with normie voters outside of your hardcore base, that is a problem. And so it's, I mean, they should be aware that Dems probably will come to the table on that question of health care for people who are here and the specifics we don't have to get into. But I think Dems will come to the table on that. And then the onus will be on Republicans to just hold out on the subsidies. Yeah. Good luck on that one. Yeah. Yeah, we'll see. I don't know. It's unclear to me how this one is going to play out and who's going to break because I think the incentives for both parties are to basically continue in the same direction they're going.

48:26100%. Maybe they'll do like skinny bills or something. I have no idea. But good luck to everyone. Our government can't function. And that's the fun thing about these shutdowns It's just always such a reminder of the way that we fund our government structurally is ridiculous. Mike Johnson was on that side. He was like, we're not doing CRs anymore. Great. That sounds good. Like, I was like, oh, great. Thank you, Mike. Here we are. Yeah. Yeah. And the other thing we love about covering shutdowns is how much like capital beltway, like insider language we're forced to talk about RIFs and CRs and skidels.

48:58Yeah. But I should mention Chuck Schumer had another just completely idiotic tweet where he said, like riff Russell vote. It's like, this is them leadership right now. It is so pathetic. They have such a gift in front of them. I mean, poor Bernie. Like the man cannot rest. They're like, you can do this. Like you're good at messaging on this. Like, just go do your thing. Yeah. Yeah. These, he and AOC are really carrying the load for decent messaging here. They're incapable. Hakeem Schumer, Hakeem Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer are incapable of carrying the torch. Incapable. Talking to your kids about the dangers of vaping can be hard.

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50:15She's talked about the horror in Gaza and describing it as a genocide. She's talked about health care in the context of the shutdown and insurance premiums going up and that market being broken. But this was the first time that I'd seen her create any daylight between herself and the Trump administration with regard to their immigration policy. And I found that to be really noteworthy. Let's go ahead and take a listen to a little bit of Marjorie Taylor Greene with Tim Dillon. As a conservative and as a business owner in the construction industry and as a realist, I can say we have to do something about labor and that needs to be a smarter plan than just rounding up every single person and deporting them just like that.

50:59Right. And I'm going to get pushback on that, but I'm just living in reality from here on out. Yeah. And if anybody's mad at me for saying the truth, then I'm sorry. I'm curious, Emily, what you made of her comments, because I know we both watched the whole thing. And she said, look, we have to live in reality. The truth of the matter is that over decades, our workforce has been built around this, like, these are my words, not hers, but this, like, exploitable, undocumented population. And you can't just flip a switch and expect this all to, like, work out. And she also expressed, like, Tim Dillon was talking about, you know, this is horrible to see.

51:35I said, like, high school graduations, pulling people out. And she's like, yeah, that is hard to watch. So he was expressing moral horror and she sort of took it to, you know, my experience in the construction industry is like this is just not real, really realistic what we're doing here, which I thought was kind of interesting. Yeah. And people are sharing that clip without having, I think, watched the full version of it. Their conversation was like I would recommend the full episode of Tim Dillon's show to people who are curious because it's a very interesting conversation. It gets to a lot of the theme that we've been hitting on over and over in the show, which is that like even if some of MAGA's kind of quote drain the swamp policies are ideologically defensible or coherent from a populist perspective, the execution of them is it's process versus direction.

52:21And when the process is annoying Marjorie Taylor Greene to the point where she's questioning whether the direction is worth it. There's no squish. Certainly on immigration. No, not at all. And so this clip is getting taken as Marjorie Taylor Greene saying, listen, labor costs are getting too high. And that's actually not what she was saying. She was saying the problem is that right now there has been no off ramp. She uses the phrase off ramp very specifically. Another reason I think she listens to our show, because we use that phrase all of the time, that like if you don't have an off ramp here, then the policy end goal.

52:55I mean, when you think about millions of new people entering the labor force in three years, I think the neolabs are insane to act as though that had zero influence on wages, especially at the bottom, particularly, maybe exclusively at the bottom wage tier. I think it's just obvious that it probably did. Although, in fairness, actually, during the Biden administration, the lowest wage tier was the group of people who were seeing their wages increase the most towards the end of the Biden administration that were outpacing inflation. that has now reversed in the Trump administration. And I would argue probably a lot of that was from Biden subsidies.

53:30I'm sure that is definitely part of it. Yeah. But it cuts against the argument that having, you know, a larger number of undocumented immigrants was like a massive problem. Now, I do think it's an issue when you have people who are being paid under the table because, yeah, they will be cheap. They'll be exploitable. You won't have to adhere to labor laws. That's why I think people need to be brought out of the shadows. That's, you know, my solution to that problem. But I think, you know, your point is a salient one. She's just she's basically saying like, hey, we have to have a process that makes sense.

54:00That's coherent. She's not saying, yes, please bring in millions of more workers that can undercut American wages. She's just saying if you're going to do the thing, do it in a way that makes sense. Which, again, we've talked about that today with tariffs. We've talked about that today with China policy. Like it's obviously the and we've talked about that with Doge. It's the recurring theme is that like even if you are an ideological conservative, the process, the haphazard process over the first 10 months of the second Trump administration is even wearing on Marjorie Taylor Greene, who is not.

54:32She says this very clear. She's like she has not wavered one bit on these policy ends. It's the means that she's questioning in this kind of grand cost-benefit analysis of whether the cost of this haphazard process is worth the benefit of the end that she hasn't wavered from ideologically. But the other thing, Crystal, I think people should be aware of is just like thinking about people suddenly saying, oh, Marjorie Taylor Greene has changed. Again, if you think that, you should go back to her original run for the House in Georgia and look at how similar exactly what she's saying is over and over again.

55:03And health care is a part of her origin story, as it is for many people who got activated during the Obama years and the Tea Party years. She talked to Megyn Kelly a couple of months ago about how she saw her father's company that she stepped into being crippled after Obamacare's small business provisions became really difficult for a lot of small businesses. So it's not like none of this is new for Marjorie Taylor Greene. It's just more and more politicians. Thomas Massey is another good example of this. They're realizing where the incentives are. And the incentives are, she said over and over again on Tim Dillon, to be honest.

55:36And you can take that for what it's worth. You can say she's not being honest. She's being calculated. She's being cynical. I think if you watch all of her interviews recently, she's literally just speaking her mind and not letting any of those talking points get in anymore. There's some Democrats who are good at doing this, too. But that's what she's like. You can say that it's honest or whatever, but like it's maybe you believe it's cynical. and even if it was cynical, it would still make sense to at least act like you're being honest and spontaneous in these conversations because the incentives are aligning against party talking points.

56:09And some people are going to get really good at delivering party talking points in a way that makes them not sound like talking points. I think J.D. Vance is somebody who does that right now on podcasts, like when he was on Theo Vaughn, but they're losing control. And they'll find new ways to get control and to get people like Marjorie Taylor Greene in line. But that's what's happening right now. It's actually a huge shift in the way politicians are talking to constituents and voters. There's been a lane opened up on the right that didn't really exist in the first Trump term. Everybody, most of right-wing media was just like, go Trump.

56:43Trump's great. It's all like, there was more cohesive towing of the line. Now you've got, you got Candace, you know, who, I mean, Candace is the perfect example because in Trump 1.0, she was on the team. Like she was fully, She was in the White House. She was doing the thing. She was, you know, hosting events for them. And she was fully on the talking points. And so you've got, you know, you've got Candace, Nick Fuentes, obviously huge voice on the right. Tucker being another one who, you know, I mean, Tucker's kind of interesting because he very rarely actually turns around, directly criticizes Trump.

57:14But he's been critical of some of the Trump administration actions. And so there's been a space that has been created, which had already existed on the left because of like the Bernie media and the way that ecosystem is very critical of the Democratic Party from the left. Now you have an equivalent thing on the right where there's an ability to be critical of the Trump administration from the right or from, you know, coming at it from a more, I guess, right populist perspective. perspective Steve Bannon even you know you could put in that category at the end of the day he's always going to back up Donald Trump but you know getting to those decisions he's going to put pressure in a variety of different ways so I think that that space opening up is a natural fit for Marjorie Taylor Greene who I do think you know the fact that she wasn't a career politician yes and was just like a mega Facebook mom sharing weird conspiracies like she's kind of legit in that way in a way that a lot of other MAGA politicians aren't and are just like playing, you know, like Rhonda Santis was always like playing a role to try to do the thing.

58:13I think she genuinely comes out of that space and is a little more in touch with where like actual MAGA and her constituents are than some other politicians. And she was making that case on Tim Dillon. And like, if it sounds like we're glazing Marjorie Taylor Greene right now, it's actually just like, she's a very interesting case study. That's the way to put it right now. She's a really, I was reading Neil Postman amusing ourselves to death over the weekend, and he was sort of lamenting the rise of Ronald Reagan in the age of TV. And looking back, he was like, well, William Howard Taft could never have been elected in the age of TV because he was so, like, obscenely obese.

58:49Although probably by our standards today, he was not that obscenely obese. But anyway, we'll leave that aside. And what he was saying is basically that because of the way the mediums shape our politics, he's building off McClellan. And he's saying that changes that these changes, not just where we say things, but what we're actually saying. It's not just how we're saying things. It changes the essence of what we actually say. And so with TV, it did give something to the actors who were able to do these very inspirational, almost script worthy cinematic deliveries. And now in the age of smartphone cameras, which is the most intimate thing in the world, because everybody has one and everyone can look like a politician.

59:31You don't need cinematography anymore to look like the average politician's video because they're filming on smartphone cameras. And that has created an incentive for people who are smart enough to actually try to capitalize on it or cynical enough to actually try to capitalize it on or sincere enough to actually try to capitalize on it. Whether you're Zohram Mamdani or, you know, maybe you think Marjorie Taylor Greene's insincere, fine. But like they understand that right now what people want to see is not talking points. It's not scripts. It's none of the production. It's not the cinematography.

1:00:03And that's not just changing. You can be an establishment hack and film a smartphone video. It doesn't hit the same way because you're not changing the substance of what you say. And the substance of what you say has to feel a lot more raw, unpolished, real, and unscripted. And it's not always going to be, but it has to feel that way. Yeah. I think the cynical take would be that she's positioning herself for a presidential run in 2020 in a post-Trump world. And I think that's certainly possible. It's worth saying, though, that her position on Israel in particular, which is an area where I would say she has definitely changed.

1:00:38You know, she was voting lockstep on all the Israel and condemn anti-Semitism and censure Rashid's labor. She was doing all that stuff up until very recently. And look, a lot of people have changed their position on Israel over the past. Again, that would be reflective of some of the Republican mega base that she would be in touch with. But in any case, the point I want to make in terms of her immediate political prospects, she creates a risk and a danger for herself with those positions because, you know, she runs in a very red district. She only has to worry about challenges from her right. And, you know, very possible that APAC funds some candidate against her to the tune of millions of dollars.

1:01:16And she has to contend with a genuine threat there. She's pissed off the Trump administration. They're not happy with her because of, you know, her being honest about her, you know, what her views are. at this point and being critical in a certain way. She's arguably the best small donor, small dollar fundraiser in all of Congress, which would make an AIPAC bid against her fascinating. Interesting. Because she has powers like AOC and Bernie when it comes to, and Trump, when it comes to small dollar fundraising. And that means she has a lot of average people who send her a dollar from around the country.

1:01:45So that would make it pretty, pretty amusing to watch AIPAC try to take her down. And maybe they could do it. But yeah, in a primary, I don't know, Maybe Randy Fine moves to the district. Oh, God. That would be an earthquake, him moving into the district. What? Crystal. It's too much time with Lyle. You're spending too much time with Lyle. Do not dox. Do not dox. Okay, if you don't get that reference, go watch last Friday. Go watch Friday. Talking to your kids about the dangers of vaping can be hard. Getting them to listen to Hot Gossam is easy. So here's some drama you could share with your kid.

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1:02:58And now Republicans are having to answer for a lot. So I'm going to show you a few different videos. I want to give you a picture of what's happening on the ground in Chicago and some of the absolute insanity that is unfolding here. The first one is a local news report about ICE picking up this autistic 15-year-old who reportedly has the capabilities of roughly like a four-year-old who was there with his family working at their stand and then went to go to the bathroom. And they kidnapped him and did not let the family know. Family couldn't find him for days. Let's go ahead and take a listen to this report.

1:03:29The boy was here at this intersection in Spring Branch with his mom and sister selling fruit when he disappeared. And here's the information we just learned in the last 30 minutes. Take a look at this. So the boy has autism and is sometimes nonverbal. And he disappeared last Saturday. He's 15 years old, but his social worker says he has the mindset of a four to five year old. So they were very worried about his safety. The mom said around 3 p.m. on October 4, she was with a customer selling fruit when her son asked him or asked her to use the restroom. And when she turned around, he was gone. Now, they filed a missing person report with Houston police.

1:04:08And earlier today, Fiel Houston held a press conference with the family begging for the public's help to find him. Now, today, police notified the family that the boy was found safe. Fiel Houston said a law enforcement agency found him and he's been at the Office of Refugee Resettlement Children's Detention Center since Monday. The family is undocumented and they're trying to get him released from ICE custody. And I'm told that the mom just had a FaceTime conversation with her son in the last 30 minutes and is thankful he is alive and hopes to be reunited with him soon. So obviously, I mean, I don't know how you defend that.

1:04:44Completely indefensible, picking up this child who has a significant disability, not notifying the family, still being held in custody. Just absolute insanity. And there's there's more where that came from. We can put this next one up on the screen. So there have been a number of instances of these car accidents. You can see here, ICE is in this white, white silver vehicle, rams into that car, begins to pull off. Bystanders who are recording say hit and run, hit and run. And then they jump out. I'm saying ICE, by the way, loosely here. I don't even actually know what. There's a variety of federal agencies on the ground.

1:05:20So I'm just using ICE as a blanket term. Then they come to this car that they rammed and pulled this lady out by her legs. She was apparently just trying to get to work. This is a U.S. citizen, guys. By the way, U.S. citizen who happened to be wrong place, wrong time, gets hit by these federal goons and then gets pulled out and arrested. Her sister said that she had been fresh out of surgery, just cleared for work a month ago. They held her in detention for hours. The sister says they brutally dragged her out of car at gunpoint. We had to run all around the area just to find her. So, you know, just total like total insanity here, incredibly dangerous crashing into this car.

1:06:04And then they were just going to do the hit and run when we got called out on that. They're like, all right, well, let me go back and pretend like I have a reason to arrest this lady as a U.S. citizen. Ultimately, Emily, this is a really, really, really bad situation. And that sounds like a kind of obvious way to put it. But I just want to make the point that it's not just a bad situation because of ICE. I'm going to get back to that. I think it is a bad situation because of ICE, to be very clear. Yeah. But also because imagine these you're given these different tasks, jobs, whatever, by Kristi Noem higher ups at DHS.

1:06:41And there was just a shooting in Dallas. People trying to someone apparently trying to take out ICE who took out two migrants. There have been efforts to, like, go after the ICE guys. And so I'm saying all of that to emphasize that they are trigger happy. And I don't just mean that literally. I mean that when they're driving in cars and they see somebody who they think is maybe obstructing them or whatever, they are now like on razor's edge. And that's a super, super dangerous situation, especially. Oh, go ahead. Well, and many of them like pretty untrained. Yeah, yeah, new. You know, they dramatically reduce the amount of training these guys have to get.

1:07:21Yeah. They've been operating with total impunity. So, I mean, it reminds me a little of like, you know, not to equate the situation, but reminds me of IDF who have been, you know, recording their war crimes and acting with total impunity. And it just fuels the sense of like, you know, here I am, big, bad, tough guy, all kitted out with my gun and with the federal government saying, go ahead. Total backing. You know, and I mean, we saw like, I think a really important development was there was a video that came out of one, I think it was ice throwing this lady, grabbing her hair and throwing this lady on the ground at a courthouse in New York.

1:07:55He was initially put on leave. And then within a week, they're like, no, you're fine. You can go back. I mean, that sends a message to everyone of like, no, you can, you can do whatever you want and you can get away with it. So the type of people who would be attracted to the job at this point to like, think of the type of people who would watch this sort of thing or know that you're like zip tying children and, you know, picking up grandmas and arresting autistic 15-year-olds, and you're like, yes, that's the job for me, that's the type of person that is being attracted to this line of work at this point.

1:08:27It's a really, like, it's just very, very dangerous. And I think it's not, I think everyone senses right now that it's all getting worse by the day. It's not in any way getting better by the day. And I wasn't saying what I was saying to suggest that people shouldn't protest ICE or shouldn't do uh activism like whatever i'm not saying that at all i'm just i was just explaining that like when we see some of these uh confrontations it's it's partially that to crystal's point these guys have been operating with the complete and total backing like no matter what happens and they also feel like they're in danger and under threat for whatever like sometimes that's for good reasons sometimes it's maybe for a bs reason but this is like a recipe for disaster.

1:09:11And the leadership from ICE, and this is to get back to the part of this that actually is seriously problematic, it's that by the New York Times' count, looking at at least 15 U.S. citizens that have been detained or arrested so far, I think that number is probably higher. That was ones that they were able to verify as of last week. I think that number's probably higher. I assume it's gotten even higher in the last week because of Chicago. in particular. If people are paying attention to what's happening in the UK right now, Keir Starmer has this digital ID push partially because people, his justification is partially because people want to crack down on illegal immigration.

1:09:49Well, what does that create? A situation where if you are a conservative, especially if you're like a civil libertarian, this is an opportunity for mass surveillance and for more power to the federal government, for more of a police state, for more surveillance. They have these huge contracts with Palantir right now, obviously, which is sifting through mountains of data. And if you don't think that U.S. citizens are being caught up in that dragnet, I mean, I don't know what to say. On the other hand, this gets back to the process versus direction thing. Directionally, the last year, the Biden administration, they said there were 80 ,000 arrests of non-citizens on criminal charges that weren't immigration related.

1:10:30So assaults, those types of things, murders in some cases. And that does exist. Like that's just during the Biden administration, 80 ,000 people in one year. They do have a job to like, there is actually a legitimate law enforcement aspect. Absolutely. When you have this explosion, even if you didn't have the explosion, but with the explosion in the last several years, does anybody think that that's actually more effective right now? Well, and that's a very key point because the polar opposite is actually happening, right? Instead of resources going to, OK, let's go after the gang leaders, right?

1:11:06Let's go after the drug traffickers. The resources have been shifted to, let's go raid the Home Depot. Let's go raid the 7-Eleven. Let's go, you know, let's go surge into Chicago just because we don't like J.B. Pritzker and Brandon Johnson and try to create some sort of a confrontation. let's raid an entire apartment building with Black Hawk helicopters detaining mostly American citizens to get you know they claimed that there were some 37 people arrested by the way we haven't gotten any details I mean that's another key point that I want you guys to take in you cannot believe a word these people say you have to verify literally everything they say because there was you know we've had instance after instance guy an immigrant shot and killed that they lied about the circumstances of.

1:11:50An American citizen shot five times. They've already been caught in lies with regard to how that all went down. There was another video that I didn't include in our lineup here, but of a 15-year-old who was being arrested and they claimed, no, no, no, this was from months ago and she was part of robberies. No, actually people went and like, there she is in ICE custody and were able to ascertain that the details matched what activists were saying and not remotely what DHS was saying. So that's the other thing is they will just lie, like brazenly, blatantly lie, even with the Venezuela like drug boats, zero proof that any of them had drugs.

1:12:29One of them now has come out wasn't even from Venezuela. It was a Colombian national. So, you know, that's the other thing you're contending with here is just the way that they will invent their own reality to justify the things that are totally unjustifiable. And here we have another instance of that. Perfect setup for this next piece. So this is a reporter for a local reporter who is a camera woman, camera woman. OK. And who was arrested here in a very aggressive manner. And what DHS had originally said was that she had been throwing objects at ICE and that she was arrested effectively for assaulting these law enforcement officers.

1:13:08Well, lo and behold, she was released with no charges. So you tell me whether that really happened or not. So they arrest the reporter and then they swipe another car on the way out and just take off. And let's put C5 up on the screen just to confirm what I was saying before. Release no charges after they said that, oh, she'd been assaulting law enforcement officers. And this comes, Emily, after there'd been a court decision saying, hey, you have to, like, people have the right to protest and journalists need to be protected. There was also a ruling about they've been just pepper spraying basically anyone and everything, including that pastor that we showed last week.

1:13:47And there was another ruling saying, hey, you can't just indiscriminately use these riot control methods. People have to be allowed to exercise their First Amendment rights. None of those rulings seems to be slowing them down at this point. So and in this case, it's a I think a helpful example because there's a flurry of these videos coming out every day on social media. And they're not I mean, they're obviously being used as political footballs. But in this case, there was a video that came out that did make it look like something had been thrown in the direction of the ICE vehicle. It's very strange because it's like, how was she just standing on the street?

1:14:25It does look like something is thrown at the ICE vehicle. That said, they obviously didn't have enough evidence to make that stick. Otherwise, you know that they would have kept her and made it stick. Yes. So the same thing has happened a couple of times. So for example, there was this video going viral of an ICE agent saying to a U.S. citizen, turn around or you're getting the dog. Turn around or you're getting the dog. If you are a conservative, that should send chills down your spine. This U.S. citizen presented their driver's license, according to the attorney, presented their driver's license to ICE and still ended up being detained, which is the easiest thing in the world to verify if someone is a U.S.

1:15:08citizen in a case like that. On the other hand, I have seen videos go viral where you don't see the part where someone is trying to actually obstruct or whatever. So these things are going everywhere. But at the same time, I would just say for people on the right who are looking at some of this stuff, watch the full video, read the full news coverage of some of these cases because you will find some really ugly stuff under the surface. And you can't like the same way you were skeptical of the government when it was Joe Biden. A thousand percent. Be skeptical, please. Do not take these people's.

1:15:43And I feel the same, like, I think this administration is extreme in the way that they will just brazenly lie about something we can all watch with our own eyes. But your job as an informed citizen and certainly our job as journalists is to be skeptical of government claims and to not just accept them at face value, which is also a lesson that most of the news media needs to take as well. In any case, I've got one more here for you, which is another U.S. citizen. I had write about this guy's case and he went on with Tim Miller over the Bulwark podcast to talk about his experience. So this is a U.S.

1:16:20veteran, American citizen who was on his way to work at a farm. He works security at this farm. And there were apparently like protests in the area and there was some ice action in the area. And so he pulls up and he's trying to talk to the ice agents and say, hey, I'm just trying to get to work here. And I'll let him describe what then ensues. Let's take a listen. They put me on suicide watch and they put me in this, they put me in the cell. I'm naked in like a hospital dress and just a concrete bed with like a mattress, like a thin mattress, and they leave the light on 24-7. There's a glass door.

1:16:57An officer is just always standing, like sitting out there. The psychiatric nurse comes and checks on me once a day. And so from Friday morning to Sunday afternoon when I'm released, I'm literally in that cell naked just in that room with the light on 24-7. That's real. Like, this is a nightmare. I mean, like, yeah, I was just the entire time I was in there. I was just hoping like, like, I would just want to see my kids again. Like, Larry, that's the only thing that matters. Like, I literally just want to see my kids. Did your family know where you were? Like, all they knew was that I was arrested by ICE and that was it.

1:17:40They didn't know where they took me. They didn't know where I was. So he's there trying to get to work. OK, he's trying to talk to the ICE or whoever else is on the scene like, hey, that's my place. I'm not trying to approach it. I'm just trying to get to work. They give him they surround his car aggressively like agents on all sides. And then they're giving him all these contradictory directions. Get out of the car. Go forward. Back up. And so he's trying to comply. They spray tear gas. Tear gas is filling up his car. He's having trouble seeing. He's having trouble navigating away. They go away for a while.

1:18:13And then as he's trying to exit, they come back and surround his car again and break his window open and, you know, aggressively arrest him. And then this, again, American citizen held for days. No phone call to his family. No phone call to a lawyer. No, nothing. You hear the degrading treatment he was subjected to, to put on suicide watch, forced in the cell with a glass door naked for days. and he was like, my ID is literally in the car that you dragged me from. I can show you and it doesn't matter. So if you think this just stays with immigrants or people that you think this would be acceptable to be done to, which that's a whole other conversation, it doesn't.

1:18:58We already have so many instances of the way that they will just snatch up any American citizen who they don't like or gets in their way or looks a little too brown or is it the wrong job site or whatever. It's yeah I mean this guy is a veteran this guy like put on the uniform. Yeah serve the country. Yeah and it's another case where citizenship should have been easy to verify. I get that this was a big raid. There you know this raid actually did and it's sort of like the Southside apartment building that we were talking about earlier Crystal. There if you if you read people who had lived there for a long time, they pretty much, like, there's some good reporting that it had an obvious gang problem, that it was, like, a place where legitimately there probably is room for ICE activity.

1:19:44And it sounds like it was the same place, it was the same case in this situation, although not from a criminal perspective, but from a, like, just a non-citizen. Undocumented labor. Yeah, or maybe they had asylum, I don't know. But whatever it was, it sounds like there were people who were non-citizens that were working there, that the ICE was whatever. You cannot do that in a way that over and over again repeatedly is detaining U.S. citizens now. That is what we have seen in multiple occasions. So if you're going to do it, if we were talking about those 80 ,000 arrests, criminal arrests during the Biden administration, the last year of the Biden administration, and it was similar numbers every year over the last few years.

1:20:24So if you have that many criminals in the country, legitimate criminals in the country, you are hurting efforts to actually do that by making the entire process less legitimate. Whether it just looks less legitimate, whether you end up legally putting those efforts in jeopardy, whatever it is, it's wrong to do this to U.S. citizens without verifying what they're telling you, which is that they're U.S. citizens. There's no reason that he should have been kept as long as he was. There's no reason that another person, when he handed the officer his ID, should have ended up in detention. Like, these are just, it's stupid.

1:21:04And it is going to undermine any, like, credibility or any public support there is for actually going after criminals. Because people are going to say, well, we don't trust that you're actually going after criminals. Look at all of these U.S. citizens. I mean, drug trafficking convictions under this administration weigh down. Human trafficking convictions under this administration weigh down. because as a percentage no in total numbers because not only do you have steven miller can put this next piece up on the screen who is confirmed running the show here and also directing a lot of our foreign policy according to this um cnn report which i don't think would be surprised to anyone but they lay out that within the administration they call him the prime minister which you know in most systems with a prime minister and a president like if you think about israel for example benjamin netanyahu is the prime minister he is the driving force um but in any case, you know, what Stephen Miller has prioritized, not just with ICE, but with DHS overall, with CBP, with the with FBI is to push them all into these shows of force at, you know, farm raids and Home Depot raids and whatever.

1:22:14So if you're pulling FBI after off of legitimate casework to send them in to like, you know, get kitted up and raid a farm or whatever. Right. Right. Of course, you're going to have less actual law enforcement going after the bad guys. And that's, in fact, what we have seen. So even though the language they use is about criminals and going after the worst of the worst and all of this, the reality is the polar opposite of that because of where they've put their resources are about going after the fruit stand vendor or the autistic child of the fruit stand vendor, rolling up on schools at pickup time and those sorts of things.

1:22:51That's where they've pushed their resources rather than the more tedious and difficult casework that is required to actually go after the, you know, the violent criminals and the bad guys you would want them to. It's such a mess. I mean, that's sounds obvious. It is obvious. It's just a mess. And maybe it actually does. I shouldn't say that because maybe it doesn't sound obvious because I think that's part of what bothers me about a lot of this. A, the immorality. Then B, I feel like they're taking advantage of, to some extent, conservatives who just believe, like Marjorie Teller Greene said this in a way too.

1:23:24She was like, he's, there are people who waited in line for these rallies in the cold. And, you know, like they, they're the ones that are now being given the backseat to, you know, people in Trump's orbit who maybe hated him before, or like spent money in the case of like Mark Zuckerberg, to defeat him. And there are a lot of those average people who put their trust in this administration not to create more of a surveillance state and to create more lawless federal enforcement and not to detain U.S. It's like they put their trust in the administration. And I get like, this is why I don't put any trust in any politician.

1:24:07And that's probably why I'm in media and journalism. It's probably the same with you, Crystal. Like, I don't trust people in positions of power, but people did trust them. And it just feels like I know a lot of people support tough immigration enforcement. And I understand where that comes from, of course. But when you dig into a lot of these stories, it's farcical what ends up happening with, again, veterans, people who serve the country, who are U.S. citizens. Yeah, it just obviously sucks. So they're taking advantage of well-intentioned people who trust them. Yeah. And I think Zoran said this, and I think this was well said, is this is what's being given to people in lieu of dealing with the cost of living crisis, in lieu of delivering for them economically.

1:24:52It's like, we'll give you an ASMR video of people being deported. We'll give you a show of force in a blue city that you may think is scarier where you don't like the political leadership. That's basically what people are being fed in lieu of actually bringing down prices and addressing their economic needs. One last note I just wanted to mention about that Stephen Miller piece from CNN, which is interesting for this block, but also just an interesting thing for us to know going forward and to take note of, is that basically Stephen Miller is more— and Miller and Rubio are more important for Department of Defense policy than Hexeth.

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