10/14/25: Hostages Freed, Trump Says War Is Over, Trump Says Megadonor Loves Israel More Than US, 1929 Crash Repeat

24:45So two days ago, it was hungry crowds strip aid trucks amid catastrophic hunger and deprivation. So there's still, you know, incredible need there. One of the things that I was seeing as well is, you know, the Israelis have withdrawn from part of Gaza. They still occupy a significant portion. And the part that they occupy is actually the area that has any sort of fertile farmland. Most of what they've withdrawn from is the sandy part where nothing can grow. They also, as we covered yesterday, thanks to DropSite News' reporting, they also, Israeli soldiers, you know, torched and destroyed anything they could on their way out, including this key wastewater treatment plant in Gaza City.

25:25It was basically the only remaining, even somewhat functional, wastewater treatment plant in Gaza City. So just to give you a sense of the, you know, the enormous challenges and suffering that remain, let's go ahead and put the next one up on the screen. You know, I don't think we could show these images enough to really give you a sense of what this when when they say they're returning home. Like, this is what we're talking about. Eighty five percent of Gaza has been turned into rubble. There are remember when we were all eyes on Kanyunas, you know, all eyes, all eyes on Rafa. Remember that all eyes on Rafa?

25:58I mean, Rafa is Rafa is destroyed. Yeah, that seems quaint at this point. I mean, I believe. And again, I mean, that was Biden, too. That was supposedly a red line. Well, Rafa's wiped off the map. You know, Khan Yunus wiped off the map. Gaza City largely destroyed. So most people who are coming back are saying I have nothing to come back to. There's nothing here. It's it's destroyed. This this family home that's you know, that I build or my grandfather builder has been my home where my children grew up, like gone, gone, gone. Not to mention all of the, you know, all the normal things we take for granted in life, the shops, the schools, the, you know, the, the parks, like every constituent element of just normal day-to-day human existence was intentionally wiped off the map.

26:40And again, for people who claimed, oh, this is the most moral army in the world. And this is just a war of self-defense, a just war of self-defense. You know, Jared Kushner saying some bullshit like that while he was in Israel, look at that and tell me that's self-defense. You didn't even destroy Hamas. You just wanted to murder these people. You just wanted to destroy the life and wipe off the face of the earth, any sign of Palestinian life and survival and culture. So, you know, it's a lot of pain and heartbreak that continues there. Yeah, it is shocking. And by the way, let's sit with this too.

27:20Now, in some ways, the work begins, not only in terms of Gaza and how it gets governed and how aid begins to flow in. The moment journalists start to go on in there and to document, it's going to be drop after drop after drop. I mean, can you imagine to be able to go into Rafa, Kanyunas, especially into North Gaza, which has been screwed with since October? Right, from the beginning. Nobody's been there for two years. And all the journalists who were Palestinian are dead. So at this point, especially with no bombardment, and you have live television cameras because the Rafah crossing is now open and people are going to start to go in there.

27:59Doctors, like we don't have to rely on secondhand testimony in there. It's only a matter of time until the actual national news crews, the Clarissa Wards, the Trey Yanks and all these people start to go in completely unimpeded without IDF censorship. Right. It's going to be different. Without their IDF babysitters. It's going to be a different world. when you get live cameras of masquerade. I mean, who knows what's down there, right? Ordinance everywhere, graffiti. And we have a lot of this already from firsthand account, but it's another thing to actually go through and to report it all. And so when you have that, it could be honestly years of stories that start to come out.

28:36I mean, just think back to some of the great, if you think back to after war's end, everybody in history, we kind of stopped reading the book there, But there's a lot of life that was lived in between. And for years, people grappled kind of what the scene was like and what happened and what this commander did or that. And then the international situation with, again, the governance here. There's so many pitfalls for will there be a Palestinian authority? What's going to happen to the West Bank? Trump says he won't let Bibi annex it. Bibi says that there will be no Palestinian state. What happens then?

29:10Trump is demanding, we're going to talk about this retreat in a moment, he's demanding Abraham Accords, normalization of relations from all the Arab states. For all of them, a prerequisite allegedly is Palestinian statehood. Will they stick to that? I mean, I wouldn't put it past them to move beyond it. So who knows? It's going to be, there's a long, long, long road ahead. Well, and as an indication of how opposed Netanyahu is to any sort of, you know, of Palestinian statehood, which has long been his position. This is not a secret. He's very open about how this is one of his primary missions is to block the, you know, indefinitely, permanently, the creation of Palestinian state.

29:50One of the people they refuse to let out of their prisons is Marwan Barghouti, who is seen, I mean, he's actually from a rival political party to Hamas, but they really advocated for his release because he's seen as this potential unifying Palestinian force who actually could potentially be head of state of a unified Palestinian state. And they said, nope, absolutely. That guy can't cannot go out. There were also a number of people, some, I think, 150 roughly Palestinians that were on the sheet to be released were released, but they were deported to other places. So those families were expecting them back and then find out that, no, actually, they were shipped to Egypt, I think, primarily and are barred from returning to Gaza.

30:32So and then there we've been trying to track this doctor who had been detained by Israel and imprisoned by Israel. And his name is very unclear whether or not he was part of this release or not. The last that I saw, they haven't been able to get updates from the family over whether or not he was actually released. And I just want to remind people that Israel still holds thousands of Palestinians as prisoners, as hostages, most of whom they have no charges filed against. They just pick them up, largely, quote unquote, military age men, but women and children as well. And, you know, they just pick them up and hold them and use them in, you know, the same way, basically, that Hamas used the Israeli hostages as leverage so that they can, you know, have this bargaining chip and continue to immiserate Palestinian people.

31:23So important to keep that in mind as well. Yeah, that's right. All right, let's get to Treat to Parsi. I'm Bowen Yang. And I'm Matt Rogers. During this season of the Two Guys Five Rings podcast, in the lead up to the Milan Cortina 2026 Winter Olympic Games, we've been joined by some of our friends. Hi, Bowen. Hi, Matt. Hey, Elmo. Hey, Matt. Hey, Bowen. Hi, Cookie. Hi. Now, the Winter Olympic Games are underway, and we are in Italy to give you experiences from our hearts to your ears. Listen to Two Guys, Five Rings on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

32:01What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. NLP, aka Neuro Linguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain.

32:38It's about engineering consciousness. Mind Games is the story of NLP, its crazy cast of disciples, and the fake doctor who invented it at a New Age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all? NLP might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 1969. Malcolm and Martin are gone. America is in crisis. And at Morehouse College, the students make their move. These students, including a young Samuel L. Jackson, locked up the members of the Board of Trustees, including Martin Luther King Sr.

33:21It's the true story of protest and rebellion in Black American history that you'll never forget. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. Listen to The A-Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Joining us now is Dr. Trita Parsi of the Quincy Institute to help us break down the entire Sharm El-Sake Summit. Sarah, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Let's go ahead and start then with Donald Trump. He flew to Egypt after appearing in Israel before the Knesset. He's claiming peace in the Middle East year has finally come with several world leaders behind him.

33:56Let's take a listen to what he said. This is the day that people across the region and around the world have been working, striving, hoping and praying for. With the historic agreement we've just signed, those prayers of millions have finally been answered. The war in Gaza is over. Humanitarian aid is now pouring in, including hundreds of truckloads of food and medical equipment. We're also agreed that Gaza's reconstruction requires that it be demilitarized and that a new honest civilian police force must be allowed to create a safe condition for the people in Gaza. I don't know what it is. I like the tough people better than I like the soft, easy ones.

34:38I don't know what the hell that is. It's a personality problem, I suspect. But this gentleman from a place called Turkey has one of the most powerful armies actually in the world. It's much more powerful than he even lets known. If you look at some of the recent conflicts, he was at the top of them and he was winning them and he did win them. And he doesn't want any credits. He doesn't want anything. He just wants to be left alone. He's a tough cookie, but he's been my friend. And every time I've ever needed him, he's been there for me. He just made a big deal today, so we'll smile. The biggest ever.

35:16A lot of pomp and circumstance in Sharm el-Sheikh there at the summit, Dr. Parsi. What's your general read here on some of the claims about peace in the Middle East withstanding the hostage deal right now? We're quite a bit away from peace, but we do have to say, though, that this is a very important and welcome necessary step. There's plenty of flaws with this deal. There's plenty of things to be worried about. But something has happened that is absolutely crucial. And that is that the United States, for the first time in several years now, actually has put pressure on Israel. That is the key to a lot of these different things.

35:51A lot of reasons as to why a lot of these regional leaders are coming and giving this exaggerated praise for an effort that has not yet even begun to yield results beyond the ceasefire and the hostage release is precisely because they want to continue to encourage the United States to do something he hasn't done for years, which is put constraints on Israel, put pressure on Israel, and stop looking at the region solely for the future. from an Israeli lens. That's why they're so excited. They know very well that this may not work out. But if for the first time, the US president is willing to try some of these tools, try the instruments of pressure, they want to be as encouraging as possible.

36:33Is that enough? No. There's a lot that remains to be done. But without this pressure, we would not have a ceasefire. We would not have the release of the hostages from both sides. And we wouldn't have anything that could potentially start a real process to solve the actual core issue, which is the occupation of Palestinian land. So let's play this out a little bit. What will it take, even just for the ceasefire to hold? And then what further would it take for there to be something approaching a resolution? Well, for the ceasefire to hold, Trump needs to do what he didn't do between January and March.

37:06He first pressured Israelis into a ceasefire back then, but he did not sustain that pressure. And by March, Bibi Netanyahu managed to essentially weasel his way out of that agreement and restart the genocide. This time around, clearly the demand from the Arab side and from the regional states has been that Trump needs to own this process as much as possible, make it as personal as possible, fly to the region, give all of these speeches, have all of these things in order to make it as difficult as possible for any party, particularly the Israelis to violate the deal because by doing so is to be in direct defiance of Trump himself.

37:45So, you know, that pressure needs to be sustained for this to work out. Once it gets to the issue of the core problem, I think here the United States needs to really take a step back and recognize for so long we have said that we need to get out of this region. I think that is absolutely correct. The United States is completely overextended, has put way too many bases and troops in the region that is of increasingly little strategic value to the United States. But to do that type of burden shifting, we need something to shift it onto. We can't just shift it onto some sort of a vacuum. If the United States uses this momentum now to be able to help, not lead, but help creating an inclusive security order in the region, then I think we will have that mechanism, that infrastructure to ship the burden onto.

38:33For that to work, however, you cannot let the cancer of this continued conflict between Israel and Palestine to continue. You need to resolve the Palestinian issue. So I think we have to recognize that a creation of a Palestinian state is in the direct interest of the U.S. itself in order to be able to get to a security architecture that is crucial for the U.S. to be able to disengage militarily from this region. One of the things, Dr. Parsi, they are pushing hard is the Abraham Accords. Let's take a listen to Trump encouraging all of those states to join. Let's take a listen. Everybody's going to join the Abraham Accord.

39:12I like to say the Avraham. I love Avraham, but somehow it doesn't sound as good when I say it as it does when some of my other friends say it who are from the region. Pronunciation and all of that notwithstanding, he is still encouraging those states to join. Why is he so wedded to that framework and does it have any chance of success? Well, it's interesting because it also seems as if he has changed what that framework actually means. The framework from the outset was a very erroneous one. It was actually designed to keep the United States militarily engaged in the region. It was about organizing the region, half the region against the other half, and particularly bring the Arabs and the Israelis together in order to contain Iran.

39:56This is what the U.S. has been doing for the last 30 years, started off with dual containment back in the 1990s. This was just giving it another name and making the Arab-Israeli component much more explicit. Of course, it didn't work. It was sold as a peace plan, but in reality, it threw the Palestinians under the bus and paved the way for October 7th, because it was very clear that if you're closing the path for the Palestinians to achieve their rights to a state through diplomatic means, then eventually at some point, it's going to translate into armed resistance, which is exactly what it did.

40:30So that part of it, I think, is dead in the waters. Most countries in the region are not eager to normalize relations with Israel. We saw, for instance, according to Turkish press, at least, the Turks warned Trump that if he actually gets Netanyahu to come to Egypt, the Turks will turn around mid-air and go back. They're not going to attend that session together with Netanyahu. So if they won't even be on the same stage, and those are two countries that actually have relations, you can just imagine what the others are feeling like. But then there's also this other confusing thing is that he's saying that he wants Iran to be in the Abram Accord as well.

41:04Well, if Iran is in the Abram Accord, then there's no longer an Abram Accord because the Abram Accord was centered on the idea of isolating and containing Iran. Unless, of course, he's suggesting that he wants to have regime change in Iran and after that bring them into the Abram Accord. But that would also then be a clear failure, a broken promise to his base, which he said no more regime change wars. Let's go ahead and take a listen to a little bit of what Trump did have to say about Iran. But I think Iran will come along. They've been battered and bruised and, you know,

41:37they need some help. They have big sanctions, as you know, tremendous sanctions. I'd love to take the sanctions off when they're ready to talk. But they can't really survive with those sanctions. Those sanctions are very tough. But at some point, they're going to say, we want the sanctions off. We're going to end up with peace. I think Iran is going to be fine. I know so many Iranian people, they're great people. They're smart, great, great people, engineers, lawyers. I mean, they're academics. So what did you what did you read into those comments? I think we have to remind ourselves that this is pretty much exactly the same thing that he was saying back in January and February.

42:13And by June, he bombed Iran, despite ongoing and rather constructive negotiations taking place. So Tehran is extremely skeptical. They believe that there is a high risk that diplomacy with the US at this stage is just another guy's facade for an effort to lull them into a false sense of security in order to bomb them again. I think that is understandable if you're sitting in Tehran, but I think it's also exaggerated. I don't think the Iranians had much to lose if they had actually showed up in Sharmashiv. They were apparently invited and Trump wanted them to be there. I think from their standpoint right now, their options are not particularly good.

42:51And the risk of actually engaging is, in my view, less than not engaging. Now, I think there's a critical element that needs to be fixed in order for this to actually be a negotiation and not what Trump actually seems to be looking for, which is a conversation about Iran's terms for capitulation. The Iranians are not going to capitulate. And as long as they think that that is what Trump is looking for, they're going to be very disinclined to get engaged in any real diplomacy with him. But if Trump goes back to his original red line, which was no weapons, not the Israeli red line of no enrichment, then I think there is a deal that can be had.

43:28And the Iranians have signaled clearly that they're open to that. And in fact, they were very close to a deal on that issue. The question is, it seems like Trump thinks that Iran is in such a weak position that he has no choice but to capitulate. I think that is a misreading. Iran is in a weaker position, but it's not going to capitulate. And if you keep on insisting on it, you're more likely to get into a new round of confrontation rather than a deal and diplomacy. One of the things I've worried about, Dr. Parsi, is that with Gaza, at least not over entirely, but quieter, Netanyahu still needs a war to justify his own political position.

44:04Well, what is the unfinished war, which he continually keeps bringing up? Iran. And so we have the snapback sanctions in place. We have the European Union and all of them acting much more hawkish. It actually does seem to me as if conflict seems more likely with Iran at this point as a result now of this so-called ceasefire deal or whatever, whether it holds or not. But it makes it seem as if politically, to justify his own position, his own security doctrine, that he has to go in search of monsters to destroy. I think, unfortunately, you may be right on this one. I don't think in the next two weeks, I think in the immediate term, the risk has gone down, whereas the risk actually was pretty high.

44:43But by the end of this year, if this is not resolved and the Israelis keep on pushing, and as you said, they need some other conflict, they also have the option of really restarting it with Lebanon. But the price for their end, of course, is to be able to defang Iran entirely. I think one of the things the Iranians committed a mistake about is that they never engaged, not just directly with the U.S., but they should have had just the conversation with Trump himself, whether it was the foreign minister or the president. Because Trump, for him, everything is personal. Diplomacy is utterly personal.

45:19Just talking to Witkoff is just not enough. And I think there may have been a chance back then, and there may still be a chance now, that if there is that type of a direct conversation, both sides will get a more realistic view of the other. From the U.S. side recognizing the Iranians are not going to capitulate. You push for that, you get war. From the Iranian side recognizing you can't play this game any longer of not talking directly to the U.S. In fact, swallow your pride, talk directly to Trump. That's the only chance of actually getting flexibility from the American side. And Dr. Parsi, lastly, it's important we try to think about what Netanyahu wants because he's proven very effective at manipulating American presidents, whether it's this one or the last one or a bunch of other ones besides.

46:01Do you think that he is done with Gaza or wants to go back into, you know, all out kinetic warfare in Gaza as well? I don't think he is in the slightest finish with Gaza. In fact, I don't think this is what the Israelis wanted at all. I think what happened here is a combination of two things. One, that there was this massive plunging of the standing of Israel in the America First constituency, which is Trump's core constituency. Particularly in the last couple of months, it really accelerated. And it started to become a political liability for Trump. In fact, he said to Netanyahu, according to his own conversation, as he conveyed it to Sean Hannity, he told Netanyahu, you can't continue fighting the world all the time.

46:43He's essentially telling him, you're becoming a pariah. You're becoming isolated. And this is costing me a lot because you're asking the United States to arm you, to defend you diplomatically, spend a lot of political capital to constantly bail you out of things. Enough is enough. I'm not going to walk into the midterm elections with this liability. If that is, and I think, of course, the strike against Qatar, which was this massive overreach by the Israelis kind of was the trigger that shifted the debate inside of the White House on this issue and pushed him in the direction that we're seeing right now.

47:17So I don't think Netanyahu wanted any of this. He wanted to continue the fighting. He wanted to have an annexation, not just of Gaza. He wanted to use Gaza as a way of distract the world from what he's actually doing in the West Bank right now. So this is a major uprooting of the plan that he had. I don't think he's abandoned the plan. And I think he's bidding his time to see when will Trump lose attention, shift his focus elsewhere. And when is the next opportunity for Netanyahu to restart this once again, just as he did in March. Yeah, very, very important analysis, sir. Thank you so much for joining us.

47:50We appreciate it. Thanks so much for having me. I'm Bowen Yang. And I'm Matt Rogers. During this season of the Two Guys Five Rings podcast, in the lead up to the Milan Cortina 2026 Winter Olympic Games, We've been joined by some of our friends. Hi, Bowen. Hi, Matt. Hey, Elmo. Hey, Matt. Hey, Bowen. Hi, Cookie. Hi. Now, the Winter Olympic Games are underway, and we are in Italy to give you experiences from our hearts to your ears. Listen to Two Guys, Five Rings on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

48:28What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, What kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. NLP, aka Neuro Linguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain.

49:04It's about engineering consciousness. Mind Games is the story of NLP. It's crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it at a New Age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all? NLP might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 1969, Malcolm and Martin are gone. America is in crisis. And at Morehouse College, the students make their move. These students, including a young Samuel L. Jackson, locked up the members of the Board of Trustees, including Martin Luther King Sr.

49:47It's the true story of protest and rebellion in Black American history that you'll never forget. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. Listen to The A Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Turning now to a side comment to Donald Trump, and yet probably one of the most revealing comments of all time, is Trump praising mega-donor Miriam Adelson while he was in Israel, and in particular making a comment about how he once asked her whether she loved Israel or America more, and she wouldn't answer, so he assumed Israel. Let's take a listen. I've broken promises from many other American presidents.

50:26You know that. They kept promising. I never understood it until I got there. There was a lot of pressure put on these presidents. It was put on me, too, but I didn't yield to the pressure. But every president for decades said, we're going to do it. The difference is I kept my promise and officially recognized the capital of Israel and moved the American embassy to Jerusalem. room. Isn't that right, Miriam? Look at Miriam. She's back there. Stand up, Miriam. Stand up.

51:08Miriam and Sheldon would come into the office. They'd call me. They'd call me. I think they had more trips to the White House than anybody else, I can think. I'm looking at her sitting there so innocently. She's got 60 billion in the bank, 60 billion. And she loves, and she loves, I think she's saying no more. And she loves Israel, but she loves it. And they would come in and her husband was a very aggressive man, but I loved him. He was a very aggressive, very supportive of me. And he'd call up, can I come over and see you? I'd say, Sheldon, I'm the president. of the United States. It doesn't work that way.

51:48He'd come in with the... But they were very responsible for so much, including getting me thinking about Golan Heights, which is probably one of the greatest things to ever happen.

52:13Miriam, stand up, please. She really is. I mean, she loves this country.

52:27She loves this country. Her and her husband are so incredible. We miss him so dearly. But I actually asked her, I'm going to get her in trouble with this, but I actually asked her once. I said, so Miriam, I know you love Israel. What do you love more, the United States or Israel? She refused to answer. That means, that might mean Israel, I must say. We love you. Thank you, darling, for being here. That's a great honor. Great honor. She's a wonderful woman. So, that, by the way, is something that would get you banned from social media previously. It's something that would be considered anti-Semitic, actually, under the government's definition.

53:09let's go ahead and put B6 please up on the screen from our friend Glenn Greenwald as he says, is that under the new expanded IHRA hate speech rules, Trump forced American universities to adopt, accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel or to their alleged priorities of Jews worldwide than to the interests of their own nations is considered an act of anti-Semitism. And yet in this case, he tells a personal anecdote in which he directly asked Miriam whether she loved Israel or America more and she wouldn't answer and that he thinks that she meant Israel. If you have any doubt, by the way, about her husband, he once said that it was a regret that he wore the American uniform in battle and not the Israeli uniform and that his children wore the IDF uniform.

53:54People think I'm joking. Look it up. All right. It's a direct quote from Sheldon Adelson, the main funder of birthright and Zionism. More than anyone else. Okay. All right. It's not an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. It is literally a fact. And yet, look, in some way, I talked about the duality of Trump. He is both the mega Zionist and the guy who tells Bibi to shut up and to just go along. In this case, he just says the quiet part out loud. He told us all the truth. To him, it's very obvious. He's like, she's got$60 billion. She gave me$100 billion. Or how much? $100 million. Just for this campaign.

54:28She gave me$100 million just for this campaign. Part of it was I let Israel annex the West Bank. I guess she didn't fully get everything that she paid for, but she got a lot of what she paid for. And he said, out of his own mouth, he said, Miriam, you know, in his own estimation, loves Israel more than she loves America. Yeah. I mean, there's like really, honestly, no analysis needed for this. It's very self-explanatory. He said it. Trump is out here bragging about how his foreign policy was for sale. And this is the lady who bought it, at least with regard to Israel. talks about some of the actions specifically he took in the first term, where he recognized Jerusalem as the capital, moves the American embassy to Jerusalem, recognized the Golan Heights, which under international law are part of Syria as being part of Israel.

55:09This was what was on their wish list for the first Trump administration. Reportedly, what's on their wish list for the second Trump administration is the complete annexation of the West Bank. That has basically happened. I mean, if you talk to Jasper Nathaniel, in terms of the level of control that Israel exerts over the West Bank. And if you consider especially some of the increase in settlements, key settlements that, you know, cut off the West Bank from critical parts. So you've got already basically de facto annexation of the West Bank. And I will say one red flag for this deal is how happy Miriam is about it.

55:43You know, that's one thing that's one thing that's very concerning to me. Why are these people so if he really stuck it to BB and like, you know, drew drove a hard bargain, then why do they, are they acting like they got everything that they ever wanted out of this? That's one thing to be concerned about. And also the fact that like, he just openly says, look, this lady, she gave me a hundred million dollars. I mean, this isn't exactly what he said, but this is the substance of his statements. She gave me a hundred million dollars. I'm going to do what she wants me to do on this. So what else does she want?

56:11How does she want this deal to ultimately be resolved? Um, but just extraordinary for the American president to be in there like, yeah, I, you know, she gave money to my campaign. And so I did what she wanted me to do. Just out and out. And to reveal her sentiments. And this gets, we didn't get it in the show, but we're gonna cover, maybe Ryan and I will cover it tomorrow. The AIPAC trying to rebrand themselves. Oh. This is exactly the point I always bring up. As America first. It's incredible. So I'll give you, so the AIPAC people, what they always tell me is, look, these are Americans. They are American citizens.

56:42They have the right to engage in their politics. Well, when you literally have the president of the United States saying in this case that they have loyalty to a foreign country and they use their dollars to fund causes to promote more loyalty to that government, what world are we living in where that doesn't have to qualify for foreign agent registration? Or we need to change the law, honestly. Like, imagine the rules reverse. I'm of Indian descent. I'm not even a citizen of India or an overseas citizen or any of that. I actually rejected. They had this overseas citizen thing where basically it's like a multi-entry visa.

57:18I said no. even though it's a pain in the ass because I refuse to be a citizen even in name of any other country. And yet for them, they not only want the dual citizenship, they want also to be able to use their American citizenship to promote loyalty to this foreign government. And listen, I mean, I guess, you know, you have the right to do what you want, but at the very least, like you have to have some registration or disclosure purposes whenever it comes to that. And even that they would say it's anti-Semitic. I just compared it to India. I would call out any Indian who's doing the exact same thing.

57:52I'm calling anybody. Yugoslavia, whatever. Okay. Serbia. Sorry. Yugoslavia doesn't exist. Yeah. Sorry. I've been doing some 1990s reading. So I have a globe in my desk, which is still from the 1900s, which still has like the Russian empire on it. So that's part of the issue. But my point just broadly is it's not an anti-Semitic point. I would say it about anybody. Qatari, but they want a special exception. They refuse to even acknowledge any of this. And by the way, if Trump hadn't said it, whenever people like, you know, I know Scott Horton said that, I think on the Lex Ruehman podcast, whenever he was debating Mark Dubowitz, you know, he was called an anti-Semite, you know, for bringing up that point.

58:34When you literally quote the Adelsons and then point to their giving and what their priorities are, you're called anti-Semitic. Yeah. And then Trump just says the shit out loud. They've just, that card does, it just doesn't work anymore. And, you know, and it's a problem when you have genuine anti-Semitism because now everyone's like, well, was it really? Because you say that shit about like literally everything. So let's we've got a little bit of an update about how things are going over at Barry's CBS as well that we can put up. This is B5. So now CBS News on their homepage is promoting some of the quote unquote reporting from the free press, including this article, some New York Police Department officers worry about Mamdani becoming the New York City mayor.

59:16So this is a type of partnership, type of hard-hitting journalism that's being promoted now over at CBS News. I mean, it's just extraordinary. And it was interesting talking to Dr. Parsi about part of why this deal is happening now. And partly it's because, in Ryan's words, like, Israel was bombing Trump's money in Qatar. I think that was a big part of the reason. But the other part of the reason was the sense that Israel is incredibly isolated in the world, like it's impossible to continue running cover for them and stick with their propaganda. And that you have this significant faction, especially young people in the America First movement who were like, how is this America First?

59:54And it was becoming a problem. And one of the ways you could tell that this was becoming an issue is because you have had this increasingly heavy handed effort to censor any pro-Palestine or Israel critical commentary, including, you know, what's happening at CBS being one piece of that, what's happening at TikTok being another very important piece of this. So, you know, this was a sort of sign that they recognized they needed to get more aggressive because their previous tactics in Hasbara were just utterly falling flat. So anyway, that's where we are. That's how things are going for Barry and CBS.

1:00:31There's our update with CBS. If anybody is interested, Paramount Skydance stock is down 10.4 % in the last five days. I know one person who's interested. Yeah, I am. Oh, yeah. Did I disclose that? Did I disclose that? I don't think you have yet. Full disclosure, what I did on the day that the Paramount deal acquiring Barry Weiss's company, The Free Press, was announced, I bought a put option on the stock for Paramount that it would crash by 25 % in one year. And already the stock is down 10.4 % in the last five days. And currently we're recording this before the market is open. It's down another 1.17 % as of this morning.

1:01:14So I can go ahead and check right now what I could sell and already exit my position for if I wanted to. Let's see. It was already up some 18 percent whenever I checked it yesterday. So that is my own personal full disclosure here. Even though, yes, I am against sports gambling, I am absolutely for. Look, I put my money where my mouth is, right? I said it's a stupid deal. It doesn't make any sense. And that it is indicative of ideology over content. And I'm going to stick to that. Any moron who's going to buy the free press for$150 million and wants to pay all cash for Warner Brothers Discovery is a moron worth betting against.

1:01:51And so that is my bet. Consider yourself fully informed, audience. So Barry's big initial idea of her roundtable with Hillary and Pompeo, whatever. What it ended up being was a discussion with Hillary Clinton and Condoleezza Rice on the future of the Middle East. And I'm just taking a look now. It looks like it got on their YouTube channel, which their YouTube channel, CBS News, has like close to 7 million subscribers. Looks like it clocked in at 15 ,000. Solid. Very solid. Yeah. And when they live streamed it, it had like 100 concurrence. Let's keep it going. All right. Let's start a GameStop thing.

1:02:26Let's crash this. All right. And by the way, all proceeds I will use for something that would make Barry Fury. I haven't decided exactly what it would be. But if I make any profit, all profit will go to something that would make Barry Wife. Well, it's sort of incredible that at least based on the stock price right now, the actual valuation for the free press was like negative millions. I don't know. I need to look at the market cap overall of this company. Let's see,$18.74 billion. So down. Yeah, that's as of right now. I'd have to do some back of the napkin math now personally. But yeah, anyway, so there you go.

1:02:59Consider everybody yourself informed. It's all in DuFont. I think the total price was like$200. It wasn't like a serious bet or anything. But again, all of the, uh, all the proceeds will make to some, will go to something if I do sell it for a profit that will make Barry Wise furious. Okay. Let's get to the economy. I'm Bowen Yang. And I'm Matt Rogers. During this season of the Two Guys Five Rings podcast, in the lead up to the Milan Cortina 2026 Winter Olympic Games, we've been joined by some of our friends. Hi, Bowen. Hi, Matt. Hey, Elmo. Hey, Matt. Hey, Bowen. Hi, Cookie. Hi. Now, the Winter Olympic Games are underway, and we are in Italy to give you experiences from our hearts to your ears.

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1:05:25turning now to the economy a blockbuster new interview with andrew ross sorkin who's got a new book out 1929 says a crash could happen again referencing the great crash that caused the great depression let's take a listen and in the 1920s people were saying stocks were going to go up because the entire world was buying into the u.s i think that's very true i would actually specifically point actually to a technology story back then which was radio radio the ticker symbol was radio the company was rca they also by the way not only had the technology for radio they had the patents for television and that was the nvidia i mean that was the meme stock uh of that era because people were buying into this future that we were all going to experience and they wouldn't have been wrong right by the way the conundrum is i think the stock split adjusted at the peak was like got to 530 some odd dollars.

1:06:19And by 1932, it was like$3. So there you go. He's making some parallels there about the parallels between today's market and the 1920s. Obviously, you could probably say that at any time about some stock. People have been talking about crashes and all of that for some time. But, you know, it's looking a little bubbly. I think if you ask me, I spoke to a friend recently who said, if you really want to be scared, It's not March of 2000. It's January of 1999. So we're still at the early part of where things might go for the dot-com crash. I think the parallels, I think what scares me the most are those insular deals that I haven't stopped talking about here on the show.

1:06:59Because that's the type of stuff where you're like, yo, man, this stuff is not just fake. It's fake beyond fake. And everybody knows it's fake. It's like a self-looking ice cream cone. Right. So it's like OpenAI announces a deal with a company. That company gets 10 % of its stock to OpenAI. Then the stock goes up, and then the amount that they're paying is covered by the overall value. And this happens over and over and over. It's AMD. NVIDIA did it with another company. OpenAI just announced a deal with Broadcom. It's like they have figured out their secret sauce is that investors are so bullish on the promise of AI that even when they put cash out the door, the cash out the door is enough for a requisite rise in the stock, that if they take the stock, the value goes up and it's effectively nothing there.

1:07:42When in reality, nothing has happened. It's a five-year deal. Who knows? Chips is a hard business. Can they really make them? It's not that easy, as we've all figured out. It's been a few years since the Chips Act. How's that going? Not particularly well in terms of our production. It's literally probably the hardest manufacturing business in the world. And yet, it's all premised on, oh, we eventually are going to get to a place of AGI and the profits and all that are going to be so extraordinary. and so unbelievable. And right now the reality, it just doesn't exist. I was telling you guys yesterday, uh, as the audience has been watching some more NFL, you know, it's pretty crazy and weird to watch Microsoft copilot and chat GPT running consumer ads on the NFL network, like on the various networks.

1:08:27So for example, Microsoft copilot is running ads right now about that dumb animation, like turning a photo of yourselves into anime. And they're like, Microsoft Copilot where you can free image generation for everybody. I'm like, really? That's what you're selling to people? That's the promise of Copilot? Same with ChatGPT. They're like, use it to plan a vacation or something. And it's like, two brother and sister driving through the mountains and I was like, so that's what all the data centers and all this shit is for? Is for this? It's for glorified Google. Right. Like Google Plus, right? Gemini, right?

1:09:01I mean, if you look at the ads for these, it's not impressive. It's not at all what it was sold as. Now, is it a good research tool? Sure. Does it help some efficiency a little bit and all that? Yeah. But that's not worth the hundreds and hundreds, trillions of dollars of market cap of where we are. So that's why I'm just getting very nervous. But what my cope is and why the market can't crash, the whole economy is fake. This shit is way more fake than 1999. Back in 1999, we made shit in this country, like actual stuff. We had a lot more fundamentals. All of the bonanzas and all that, Wall Street subprime and all that hadn't happened yet.

1:09:35A lot of the fakeries and, you know, terms of accounting, et cetera. This is pre-Enron. So it's like when I start to think about where things are today versus then, like I think we've actually gotten much more sophisticated at washing all this together. At building the house of cards and keeping it going. Yeah, I think we put the super glow down. I don't know. And now it's not as easy to crash anymore. I could be totally wrong, but that's my cope. I don't know. And here's the thing is like there isn't a lot of indication that AI so far has. There's all this projection, oh, it's going to increase employee productivity, and so that's going to create all this GDP growth.

1:10:08There is not a lot of indication that that is happening yet. And we know that the vast majority of AI applications are not profitable, like these companies that keep spending, spending, spending more money and acquiring different other companies. And their stock keeps going up and up and up. It's not like they're making money on any of these investments. So that's a bit of a red flag. So on the one hand, there's the risk of this technology doesn't really pan out to be as transformational as it was supposed to be. And at some point, there's a reckoning with that, and that creates a crash. The other possibility is that it is as transformational as being promised, and it creates a mass layoffs and societal tumult.

1:10:47So it's kind of a distressing story. Either way, you cut it. But the other piece of this is that with – Emily and I covered this yesterday, Sire. I want to get your take on it too with the China trade war stuff. China really holds our fate in their hands right now. If they want to pull the pin on us with regard to rare earth, they can do it. Now, they have vulnerabilities as well, right? We're very interconnected in terms of our economies. But that's why on Friday when they were like, oh, we're going to up the export controls on export restrictions on rare earth minerals. why there was such an instant market freak out, because they, I was just looking, China controls about 70 % of global rare earth mining, 90 % of refining capacity.

1:11:30That's a really important piece. And 92 % of these type of magnet production that are critical for motors and EVs, wind turbines, and defense tech. All of this is very critical also for AI. So if our entire economy is a bet on AI and we're deeply, deeply, deeply reliant on this country that Trump is, you know, set on antagonizing. That's a really dicey situation to be in as well. I don't know. With the China thing, yeah, you're absolutely right about the rare earth minerals. I just don't know how much of the trade fight is fake. It's like one day it's 100 percent tariff. The next day is not going to happen.

1:12:08By the way, as we are speaking, the Dow is falling, the expectations because of US-China tensions resurge, even though it went up over 1 % yesterday when it looked like China tensions were cooling. All I know broadly is that, yes, we have serious fundamental and strategic risk whenever it comes to China. And there were a lot of easy ways to get away from that, as in not just chips, but even this. I mean, look at every tax bill. Every time you touch the US tax code, it's a massive missed opportunity. It's a zero-sum game. We only open up the tax code every five years. So every five years, you have a bite at the apple to actually do something.

1:12:45And in this particular case, they didn't really do much to boost any American manufacturing in the critical sectors that we need it the most. And our trade policy is so schizophrenic. Are we really prioritizing rare earth minerals or not? Not really, right? It's all just scattershot. It's not serious. And in the interim, at every year, China continues to go exponential. Now, I've seen a lot of criticism about, oh, you're glazing. Listen, we can acknowledge all of their problems. Authoritarian government, bureaucracy, a lot of it is for show in some cases, like the bridge, for example. There was some criticism of people who covered the bridge, like, oh, you're buying into Chinese propaganda.

1:13:26I'm like, well, even if it is a bridge to nowhere, it's still a remarkable engineering accomplishment. And the truth is, is that that's the way that they get the rural population on their side. I encourage people to read Dan Wang's book. People who live in rural China have watched in 20 years a literal exponential increase in their life. Now, compare that to Appalachia or to the—I was just looking this morning at a graph of life expectancy. Southeastern United States is life expectancy 20 years lower than the rest of the country. Who is doing anything about that? Is anybody doing anything about that?

1:13:59No. That's crazy. And so I look at that. I look at the housing price. At the very least, the CCP pretends to give a shit about your problems. Sometimes they're actually really good at it, at solving them. Sometimes not. You know, they give you a lot of propaganda. But they don't even pretend here. That's what I admire is the level of seriousness for the critical industry and for their long-term thinking. I mean, people laughed, including me, at Made in China 2025. I remember when I came out, I said, this is a joke. It's true. It worked. I would say the vast majority, if you go back to 2015 and read the documents, most of what they set out to do, which is declaring independence in batteries, critical minerals, in airplane production, and in high-tech manufacturing, I wouldn't say they won entirely.

1:14:40They haven't achieved total autonomy, but they made a lot of progress. Now, compare the same rhetoric of 2015 in the United States about the pivot to Asia. Where are we today? How's the pivot to Asia going? It's literally 2025. What's the lead block of this show? Israel-Palestine. Who's Trump meeting with on Friday? Fucking Zelensky about Ukraine. Like, oh, what? That's literally two conflicts of no importance in the grand scheme of things to the USA. And that's what everything is focused on, not to mention all the dollars, all of the attention in Washington. So it's like that's what I'm talking about is you have to zoom out.

1:15:18And I've seen this stuff from afar, you know, literally here in the city for the entire period of 2015 now to 2025. And I think we've actually made less progress if you look at manufacturing, if you look at the level of seriousness, divided politics, life expectancy, even COVID. We criticize them for zero COVID. I certainly did. I thought it was incredibly stupid. But it turned out, you know, what they were able to do was actually exert even more control over their population. People predicted that that would lead to rise up in the... Hasn't happened. Literally hasn't happened. So, you know, we have to stop putting our own values or expectations on this other country.

1:15:56And we need to live in ours. And the truth is we live in a financialized bubble where the cost of living is unbelievably high for the vast majority of people who make under$100 ,000. That's just the truth. And that's not the truth over there. The life expectancy thing doesn't get talked about enough. Oh, no. It's such a basic metric of how your society is doing. and when you see life expectancy like not just flatlining but actually falling and you you know like that is such an indictment of a society and is also such a clear indicator that you're gonna have some fucked up politics too that is like russia 1990 almost 100 how do you think putin came to power people are like oh he's so authoritarian he just came out of nowhere and he tricked the russians i'm like oh he tricked them or they were massively alcoholic they got Their economy destroyed.

1:16:42Their population decimated. Their empire was, you know, torn apart by the West. Then the West created NATO and started marching it forward. This stuff doesn't just happen in a vacuum. That's, you know, exactly. And not excusing Putin. We can sociologically understand why that might be traumatic for a population. You're exactly right here in the U.S. You have almost 10 years now of declining life expectancy, massive obesity, pre-diabetic. Like, yeah, what do you think is going to happen? Where do you think Maha and all of that comes from? People are so furious. And then Uriani's health insurance premium is about to go double.

1:17:19All right? People are going to go radical. People are going to go crazy when you start paying. I'm already paying like$9 ,000 a year for health insurance for me, my wife, and my daughter. One kid. All right? So$9 ,000. I have a$14 ,000 deductible. $14 ,000. That will wipe out any average person in this country. Wipe out one medical emergency. You're dead from a bankruptcy perspective. So put that on everybody else and just think about where that's going to go. You know who has something to say about that? Marjorie Taylor Greene sounding off on prices and has been sounding the alarm about the spiking health insurance premiums that are on the horizon.

1:17:56Let's go ahead and listen to that. Costs have not come down. I myself can tell you my apartment here in Washington, D.C., the electricity bill is$100 more than it was last year because you can look at your own bill and look at costs. um prices have not come down that that is a reality um people's wages have not gone up that's another reality and so americans are continuing to have a very difficult time the thing that's amazing is this is such so basic like it's so basic and so obvious and everybody knows it and yet for her to say it is like really remarkable because trump demands remarkable because trump and the republican party demand field you're not supposed to talk about it When he's in office, the tariffs, the economy, and all of that is booming.

1:18:40And she's like, no, this is the reality. I think what I give her credit for is she always speaks, at least more recently, from a point of view as a mother and as a congressman of this district. She talks about her children and about their economic – I mean I think that is the only way that a healthy society can look at the political problems. Not only how does this affect me, how does this affect the next generation? Looking at you, boomers, looking directly in the camera at you, it would be nice if you guys started to think a little bit more like that. But that's the issue. I see a recent clip, I don't know if you did, of Ron DeSantis talking about when you buy a TV, you don't have to pay taxes on it every year comparing it to property tax.

1:19:19That's what he said about a TV. Yeah, that's the same thing. The TV, apparently you need roads and all of that to operate a TV. I'm going to lose it when I watch this stuff happen. because, let's put this Wall Street Journal piece, please. Stronger growth, weaker hiring. Forecasters see a split-screen economy. And what is the split-screen? It's exactly what we keep hammering home here, is at the top 10%, things seem fine. At the rest, below 100 ,000, yeah, it's not fine. And the split-screen economy is one where, without AI, we would be in a recession. Without all of this AI fakery, we would not only have a top and bottom recession, we would be in a full-blown GDP recession.

1:20:04It's the only thing that is propping up the economy right now. And it's the only reason that rich people aren't beating the drum because their stock valuations and portfolios are sky high. But everything right now is weird. Gold, all-time high. We covered that. Bitcoin is near all-time high. Stock market, near all-time high. That's not supposed to happen. Like, those are supposed to be countervailing, right? So, I don't know. The whole thing, it's making me crazy because it's just every day a stupidity marches on. And that's one more day that we're not doing anything about it. She's the only politician on the right right now which is actually trying to elevate that in the discussion.

1:20:40And she's getting blown to hell for it from Israel to prices. I saw someone calling her a California liberal. I was like, okay. I saw that too. If that's the standard now, we are cooked. Like, cooked. If that's how it's going to be. MTG is lib. Okay. Yeah. Last piece here, just this is kind of what I was referencing before about, OK, well, how is AI? How is it doing? How's it going? How's it impacting the workforce? Because part of the bet is that all of these companies are going to invest in AI. That's going to be where a lot of the revenue for these for AI companies come from, that it's going to increase worker productivity.

1:21:15We could put this last one up on the screen. There's just not a lot of evidence that this has really come through yet. Now, it might. It's still early days. Right. And not just in terms of the technological development, but in terms of companies and workers figuring out how to use the tech. There are some early indications that in coding effectively, which is a huge irony since we were all told learn to code, that this is the technology of the future. That's like the one place where you can look new college graduates coming out who have like computer science degrees are struggling to find work because that is the place where AI has been the most disruptive in terms of replacing entry-level workers.

1:21:52But outside of that, there isn't a lot of indication that the promise is bearing fruits as of yet. So, you know, some massive, like, mind-boggling amounts of money have been spent on this. The amount of resources that are being sucked up. Your electricity bill likely going up, as Marjorie Taylor Greene was talking about, as a result of these data centers sucking up so much power. water usage. You've got wells that have gone dry when these data centers have located nearby, which is actually something I'm concerned about in where I live, where they're planning to locate a data facility. Rise up, Crystal, be a Karen.

1:22:29Rise up in city council and say no. So yeah, I'm a little concerned about that myself. But in any case, all of these massive bets being placed. And as of yet, the promise and certainly the profit to go along with those massive bets has not come to fruition. Bingo. Yeah. Everyone watch it. And it will, it's like I said, it'll either come true, like what they're claiming. There's three options. It'll either come true with AGI and what they're claiming, which is going to lead to a massive surveillance, oligarchical state. You guys covered that yesterday. The Peter Thiel thing. Number two is it won't come true, but because the economy is so financialized and so fake is that we'll have like a modest period, but we'll have no crash.

1:23:09And option three is a full-blown crash. So I really honestly don't know which is worse because the status quo is bad, the alternative is bad, and the victory scenario is also bad. There's a fourth, even more dystopian option, which is that one company achieves AGI and has all the dystopian results we're concerned about, but because all the other companies lose the race, there's still a dramatic crash because it's only that one company that succeeds. And by the way, almost a certainty out of all of this is that more wealth, more wealth and more power is going to be consolidated in the hands of a few.

1:23:44How do you think that's going to go for all of us? How do you think that's going to go for our society? I mean, already, I think the massive wealth and income inequality gap is part of what's fueling all of the turmoil that I see in our politics. So we're going to consolidate that even more. And we're handed to Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, whoever else. And it's not even like, I don't like any of those guys, but it's not even about whether they're good or bad people like that much wealth and power consolidated, concentrated in the hands of one or a handful of individuals is just a very dangerous situation.

1:24:17And, you know, with potential dire consequences.

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