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23:40There are a variety of reasons for that. But one of them is because people are afraid. Like people are afraid of being targeted for pro-Palestinian activism. I've actually always found that such a stupid talking point. Yeah, nobody on the right gives a shit what a Palestinian protester has to say. If anything, it's good for them. Definitely true. They can point at some pink-haired weirdo and be like, look, this is our opposition. That's good for Israel, right? The reason they protested under Biden was because they were part of the political coalition. Because they thought they might actually be able to put pressure on Biden.

24:08And there's also just a level of fatigue where it's October 7th now. We're two years into, you know, this genocide. So all of that. But I do think part of it, too, you have to take into account that, you know, they watched Ramisa Ozturk get kidnapped off the street. They saw Mahmoud Khalil be held in detention center and not be able to be present for the birth of his child. And they've seen, you know, students be expelled from universities after being pressured from the Trump administration to do all of that. So it is important as we see these escalations that, you know, you're right. It's not the caricature of like, oh, they roll in the Humvees and they just take over Chicago.

24:43But there is a show of force here that is meant to be coercive. And that is what the, you know, the ICE part is partly a show of force. It's partly about obviously like rounding up random immigrants. The National Guard deployments are also meant to be a show of force. It's also meant to be content creation for like, you know, fascist boomer porn. It is all of those things. I think a lot of it is heightening contradictions, too, because what it demonstrates for the purposes of Chicago, let's say, you have Brandon Johnson who's declaring ice-free zones, right, and saying, oh, well, Chicago police are not going to help you.

25:19That's like catnip for Republicans, right, because they can say, look, this mayor won't even allow the police to cooperate with ice, which, I mean, I do think is kind of crazy in this whole sanctuary city thing. But courts have ruled. I guess it's legal. It doesn't make any sense to me. Same in Portland. They've basically declared, they're like, no, we're not going to help ICE or we're not going to come to their defense or whatever for federal property, which this is the justification on the feds. They want the narrative out there that Pritzker and Brandon Johnson and them are pro-crime and pro-illegal and at the very least haven't done anything about it.

25:52And so this is the people who are trying to restore law and order. Again, if I were you, if I were somebody who looked at this from the outside and wasn't as intimately familiar with some of the genuine retards who are the people running this, I would also be deeply suspicious, so I do not blame anybody who is out there. What I have come to understand is much of this, as I said about the 200 guardsmen in there, is genuinely about content to appear as tough so that we can have fun conversations amongst various people on Twitter and to basically have Fox News B-roll that can roll everywhere without supposedly going the full way.

26:33Now, can I rule out the full way at this point? No. Right. Okay? It's not. I'm not ruling that out whatsoever. But I don't think that's the actual plan. Quite literally quite a lot of this is about social media, which is sick. I agree. OK, it's sick to actually have to be where we are right now because of it. But that's, I guess, a bigger part of it. Yeah. I mean, I think it's both. Right. I mean, I think the content creation is an important part of the fascist projection of power. But when you've got, you know, you've got this national security memorandum, you've got real things that are genuinely happening.

27:09And also once you've normalized and they've basically already done this, once you've normalized soldiers on American streets conducting normal law enforcement activities, that's not something you can put back in the bag. And so those things are those things are extraordinary and they should be treated as such, even if a component of it is also theatrical. and the theatrical is also, it is meant to scare people. It is meant to project something that creates a real impact, not just for like, you know, their boomer audience. Yeah, I know, but at the risk of getting into a crazy debate, it is a novel circumstance of like, if you have a city which doesn't want to enforce the law, what do you do?

27:49I don't know what you're talking about. It's like a neo-confederate idea. Chicago can say illegals are legal. That's not true. No, it is. That is literally not true. I mean, like, let's use the example of Portland because it's the one they're saying, oh, we have to go and protect this one ice building. Okay. There were protests there that were continuous. They had dwindled down to like 20 people. Law enforcement was their manager. They had made a number of arrests in the context of these protests. Nothing, again, insane, but it's not like law enforcement was just letting violent things happen and wasn't doing anything about it.

28:22Well, you're pointing to Portland, but let's say Chicago in this case, It's like, OK, do we have that video of the ICE people, which, by the way, doesn't look good for the people of ICE who are involved here. So here you see this is a, you know, an immigrant that I don't know if this is ICE or CBP. Some federal agents are trying to apprehend and he is struggling and they are struggling with him. And you see him down here on the ground. They're trying to get his hands into, you know, basically zip ties. Flex cuffs. Yeah, exactly. And random Chicago residents are stopping their cars and yelling at them and video recording them and telling them to leave him alone and telling them to go.

29:02And eventually, after struggling with him for a while, they do leave. OK, so on one level, the American in a lot of us is like, don't tread on me. Yeah, absolutely. On the other, do we really want mass mobs of citizens to determine who is allowed to have law enforcement on the street or not? And this kind of gets to my Chicago police. So if the Chicago police say we're not going to assist in a federal law enforcement operation, that is genuinely like a neo-Confederate idea where illegals aren't legal here. No, we have the supremacy clause of the U.S. Constitution. The law of the land is supreme across all states.

29:38Like I remember during Los Angeles, they're like, ICE needs to get out of L.A. You don't determine that. America determines that. Like it's a weird thing. Americans are determining it right there. Okay, there are a few people. So, okay, those people on the street get to have more supremacy than the United States Constitution, military, and ICE. It's a crazy idea. You have to consider the context here, which is that ICE is routinely violating people's rights, right? Assaulting them, apprehending them with no warrants, flying in Blackhawk military helicopters to raid apartments. If you're illegal, they don't need a warrant to detain you, especially if you have a measure of detention on you.

30:14You and I both know that it hasn't just been undocumented immigrants who have been apprehended. People feel their rights are being violated and they disagree with what they see as an invasion and a crackdown of their city. This is what drives me nuts. I'm sorry. The expectation is if you win an election, you're going to follow the law and they're not doing that. So that's where the context comes in. People know they don't feel like it is just for some random. They don't trust that ICE is apprehending this guy in good faith or that they have a real reason to be apprehending him. they don't support the lawlessness and the rogue nature.

30:50ISIS is out of control. Like, we've watched them assault American citizens. We've watched them, you know, they'll detain American citizens with no due process, no lawyer, no ability to make a phone call, no nothing. That is what this agency is doing. And so, yeah, people object to that. OK, you can object to it all you want. Again, do you not think it's a little bit crazy that municipalities get to just declare we will not be compliant with federal law? I mean, I think that's insane. They won't be compliant with federal law. What they're saying is that we're you. OK, you want to come in and do your thing like we can't stop you.

31:21But that doesn't mean we have to devote our law enforcement resources, which are limited to whatever dumb shit you want to do, which is, by the way, violating our own city's rights. But in the case of, let's say, Los Angeles, they quite literally demanded withdrawal and lack of enforcement in their own city. It's like you don't get to you don't get to decide that the federal government does not have supremacy here. Like we do need to stand up at the very least for a little bit for this idea that because I mean, think about it. Would you really would you really accept this locality arguments from the South, let's say, during second?

31:52No, everybody rejected it. But hold on. It's not like Gavin Newsom sent in the California National Guard to like repel ICE from the city. That's not what happened. ICE has been allowed to operate. Well, it's not allowed. Yeah, there's no allowed to operate. This is kind of what I'm saying. There's no allowing. They are operating. It's federal territory. I know. That's what I'm saying. So I'm not sure what you're objecting to. It was like this rhetoric and this idea that these localities just get to simply decide that federal law enforcement does not take place. That's not what's happening. No, it is.

32:24I mean, in the case of Chicago, they're actively genuinely trying to make sure that they don't they they're like not allowing their property to be mobilized. They're not determining any resources. They're saying that they won't like answer any calls on the way there. This is not a defense of ICE, who I agree with you, has acted genuinely out of control. But there is a weird neo-Confederate thing taking over, I think, a part of the modern left that seems to say that immigration enforcement is not allowed in blue states, which I just think is preposterous. That is a misperception of what the argument has been and what the reality on the ground has been.

32:55So, for example, in Chicago, Chicago Police Department has been present at a lot of the protests. They've been, you know, they've provided crowd control, including, you know, to benefit ICE. In this instance where this lady got shot, ICE originally lied and said, or whatever federal agency, there's a bunch, not just ICE that are on the ground there, said that Chicago Police Department didn't come and assist. That was just a total blatant lie of what actually occurred. In fact, ICE agents have been calling in in the suburb Broadview where the ICE facility is. They've been calling in phony, bogus 911 calls, draining resources, et cetera.

33:30So I don't, like, what you're describing, I don't think is the reality of what's actually taking place. And yes, do people object to the tactics of ICE? Do they object to their rights being violated, little kids being dragged down in the middle of the night and zip tied? Of course they object to that. And it is their right as American citizens to object to that happening in their city. No one's saying you can't object. Yeah. No one is saying that you cannot object. I think I am saying that you probably should not be interfering with law enforcement operation on the street in this way just because that can go down a very dangerous road quickly.

34:01I mean, it's like, OK, let's say, do we support mob violence? Like, do we just support mob rule? I don't. I think it leads a very bad direction, even though I know much of the left does after BLM. I agree, Sagar. But what I find more interesting about that video is, number one, the total incompetence of law enforcement on display. Number two, that these aren't activists. These are just random people who happen to be driving by. And so in the same way that we could evaluate the response to Luigi Mangione murdering a health care CEO and say, when the American people are like, you know, find that to be potentially positive, or at least they're like not upset about that happening, you have to ask the question why.

34:46And so I think that's more of my point with the video is to say like, it is an extraordinary thing that you have just seemingly every random person who happened to come by taking what are in your, you're right To say extraordinary actions to say, I'm going to involve myself. I'm going to record this. I'm going to object to this. A couple of them got physically involved in terms of trying to intervene here. That is a real break from the norm with the American public. And so that's what I find to be extraordinary about that video is what it says about how people in those communities are feeling about what's going on.

35:23So we can sociologically think it's interesting. I think what I'm afraid of is literally the same thing of what happened with Antifa and BLM is it's not a far cry from leftist and mainstream media justification of, oh, that's good. That's what you're supposed to do. And I mean, this is where it's like people are, you're afraid of conflagration. It's like, well, then there is too much of a permission structure right now, in my opinion. But I feel like you are holding random individuals on the street to a higher standard than the president of the United States, the head of Department of Homeland security, et cetera, because they, I think it, to me, it is abundantly clear that what they want is some sort of a conflagration that they can use, again, to further expand power.

36:09They're actively courting that. And they haven't really fully gotten that yet because you have had a level of, I don't know if it's disconnection or, you know, just you have not had that or discipline really, but you have not had that full conflagration. But, you know, that's clearly when you are raiding an apartment building with Black Hawk helicopters. Like, that's clearly the sort of thing that you're having. When you're sending red state troops into blue states, that is the sort of thing that you are courting. And it only takes one horrific thing going sideways to be, you know, in another country.

36:43Yeah. Look, I mean, that's one interpretation of it. The other is, is that it's a shock and awe approach to make sure that people self-deport, which is actually working. I'm not defending the eyes thing. I think it's crazy. I would, I do not support that literally whatsoever. And in a lot of these cases though, and this kind of, I'm pointing to the mom thing, I'm just watching the permission structure happen over and over again where it's like, oh, let's encourage this stuff. Then you're going to get what you want. And you guys start killing agents or any of that. I mean, it's crazy. And actually before, maybe we'll talk about this after your monologue, but one of the things that should maybe hearten people is that at the very least in America, you do have to prove a lot of your shit in court if you're actually just going to accuse people.

37:21And if we think about some of the most extraordinary and stupid things, let's say that the Trump administration has tried to charge, remember the sandwich guy, the grand jury just throws that out immediately. You're about to do your whole monologue. People are lying. Body cam, et cetera, has actually come to their savior. So I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of these warnings about some takeover. And again, a lot of the rhetoric is like Humvee's martial law being declared in Chicago. I do think it's important to contextualize and say like some of the system actually is holding in a way that I don't think is being portrayed.

37:53And instead, there is a permission structure to violence that I'm watching like pretty clearly play out with a lot of the commentary. Well, I'll take your point. I'll just say in that particular video, no one is being violent. I mean, most of what people are doing, we're just standing there shouting. If you're just going to involve yourself in a law enforcement operation, like that's literally obstruction of justice. Mostly what you saw was people stopping their cars, honking, yelling at them, which they're allowed to do. I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the people actually getting involved here.

38:23I think that was one guy who was trying to pull him away. Yeah, and everyone was like, oh, this guy's a hero. Most of what was happening was, first of all, them being thoroughly incompetent in an embarrassing way, which we've seen in other instances as well. I'm sure you saw that. Did you see the video of the guy in Maryland, some ice buffoon whose gun fell out, who pointed his gun at the crowd? and just, I mean, just clownish stuff. And by the way, that is only going to get worse because of how rapidly they are trying to increase the ranks of ICE. But in any case, you have that. And then most of what you have is just people, like random people standing there and yelling and recording.

38:58That's fine. I have no shit. In fact, I support recording the police. It drives them crazy. Everybody should do it, especially if you see it around. You want to record ICE all you want? Fine. I'm more talking about the permission structure for a lot of this stuff and the way that we talk about it Because I fear, just like with Luigi Mangione or something like that, somebody starting to take it seriously and not understanding the full context of where we are. Like, yes, things can be very, very, very, very, very bad. Yeah. And they are. I'm not denying it. We did a whole segment yesterday. I literally was like, I think the country is falling apart, like quite literally.

39:30And at the same time, you know, you can have a body cam, you can have a federal agent accuse somebody shooting someone, apparently unjustly as you're about to do your monologue. Yeah. And that can be disproven in a court in a day and you can walk free. Now, that person's life was unjustly interfered with by the federal government and she should sue in my opinion. And that's my thing is we still have some faith in our institutions. I don't want people to be so blackpilled that they think that violence and all that genuinely is the answer. Yeah. Because that seems to be where things are trending right now.

39:59I hope that you're wrong, but I agree. I share your concern. And the last thing I would say is, you know, one of the fears is that you have some parts of the system that do still seem to function and work, right? And the court system at the lower level especially being one of them. And especially when it comes to, you know, adjudicating like business disputes and those sorts of things, like that continues to function. And at the same time, you have the executive, which enabled by the Supreme Court, is carving out broader and broader zones where the laws really don't apply. So that's taking it back to Venezuela when you're saying we're at war with drug cartels and drug traffickers.

40:42That means that if they randomly—this is taking—this has not happened yet. If you randomly shoot someone on the street and you say they were an enemy combatant, they were a drug trafficker, is that now allowed? That's not that different from just blowing up random Venezuela, potentially migrants at sea. So they continue to expand and carve out more and more zones where the laws really don't apply. And ICE has been one of the primary focal points of that because they can justifiably say we ran on a mandate of mass deportation and this is what the American people want. But then when you're sweeping up American citizens and denying them due process rights, when you're assaulting American citizens, I know you and I both watched the business owner who had his ribs broken.

41:28We watched a woman whose husband was being deported, thrown to the ground and had to be hospitalized. Photojournalists who are just trying to record what's happening, being thrown to the ground and having head trauma and this all happening with zero accountability. that's where it gets very concerning because that zone of lawlessness that the president has claimed continues to expand and expand and expand. So does that mean that everything is like totalitarian? We can't say we can't criticize and we can't walk outside without being snatched up, blah, blah, blah. No, of course, there are parts of society that still function.

42:00But we should be deeply concerned about the way that that zone of lawlessness continues to expand and the way that manifests itself, the way that it tramples on all of our rights and, you know, takes away parts of America that I think you and I both really cherish. No, I think that's very well said as long as it's, I just, you know, I fear the most of watching because we saw how like George Floyd, George Floyd murder to burning shit down happened in two weeks. Like we saw how quickly that can all transpire and then full blown rioting that can just, you know, people getting murdered and everybody's totally okay with that.

42:37And then we have the BLM Ferguson effect on cops for the next two and a half years. My greatest fear, and I do think the government is complicit, is to see some sort of spiral like that happen. And genuinely, who knows? Because you can't trust the government right now with the way that they've handled the situation. And again, I literally know some of the people who are actual idiots or know of the people who aren't sure. I don't trust their judgment at all. I still can't believe there are the people who got these jobs. Then there's also on the other side of that, I see the permission structure starting to bubble up where each are their own, both greatest nightmare, but also kind of the dream boogeyman that they want to create.

43:16Yeah, correct. And if there is not responsibility that prevails even in a dangerous moment like this, things can go south so quickly. All right, with basically a preview. Yeah. So what are you taking a look at? Indeed. All right, let's take a look at this. 1969, Malcolm and Martin are gone. America is in crisis. And at Morehouse College, the students make their move. These students, including a young Samuel L. Jackson, locked up the members of the Board of Trustees, including Martin Luther King Sr. It's the true story of protest and rebellion in Black American history that you'll never forget.

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45:51Listen to The Sixth Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Over the weekend, amid the ICE-created melee in Chicago, an immigration agent shot an American woman multiple times following some sort of a traffic incident. Now, that incident escalated protests in the city that has already been rocked by DHS's heavy-handed tactics, including, as we've discussed here, an apartment raid that involved Black Hawk helicopters. Now, the details of exactly what transpired with this woman, whose name is Marimar Martinez, are kind of murky, but what has become quite clear is that the government initially lied about some really key details.

46:31And now her lawyer is claiming that body cam footage undercuts their story entirely. This is raising serious questions about whether armed federal agents just shot an anti-ICE activist and then brazenly lied about it to cover their tracks. So let me take you through the timeline of their shifting stories and exactly what the evidence shows. So this incident, it occurred on Saturday morning and involved not only Martinez, but another motorist, Anthony Ruiz, who was not shot but was arrested. On Saturday evening, DHS spokesperson Trisha McLaughlin put out the following statement with the government's first version of the events that led up to that shooting.

47:11Now, pay attention to the details here. These are going to matter. McLaughlin wrote, quote, this morning during routine patrolling in Broadview in the same area of Chicago that law enforcement were assaulted yesterday, our brave law enforcement officers were rammed by vehicles and boxed in by 10 cars. Agents were unable to move their vehicles and exited the car. One of the drivers who rammed the law enforcement vehicle was armed with a semi-automatic weapon. Law enforcement was forced to deploy their weapons and fire defensive shots at an armed U.S. citizen who drove herself to the hospital to get care for wounds.

47:44The armed woman was named in a CBP intelligence bulletin last week for doxing agents and posting online, hey to all my gang, let's fuck those motherfuckers up. Don't let them take anyone. Thankfully, no law enforcement officers were seriously injured in this attack. Pritzker's Chicago Police Department is leaving the shooting scene and refuses to assist us in securing the area. There is a growing crowd and we are deploying special operations to control the scene. This is an evolving situation. We will give more info as soon as it becomes available. So that was their first version of offense. Now, that story was immediately called into question from a variety of directions.

48:19First of all, the other motorist, Anthony Ruiz's mother, denied the government's version of events. According to the New York Times, Mr. Ruiz's mother, Elizabeth Ruiz, said her son told her on the phone in the morning he had been rammed by federal agents and that they were shooting. Upon hearing that, she said she raced to the scene. She said an agent grabbed her son, said he was under arrest when she asked why she said she received no answer. So according to Ruiz and his mother, he just happened to be in the area, was rammed by ICE and then arrested for no reason. Then Chicago Police Department said the DHS was also lying about their supposed failure to assist in crowd control.

48:54Quote, in a statement, Chicago police clarified officers did respond to the shooting scene involving federal agents on Saturday near the intersection of West 39th Street and South Kedzia Avenue around 10.30 a.m. Police said their purpose was to, quote, maintain public safety and traffic control. Then we got the actual charging document from the government, and key details from McLaughlin's original story about Martinez were now missing. So the government themselves undercut key details of their original narrative. First of all, McLaughlin got the location wrong. Second, remember how she claimed that they were boxed in by 10 cars?

49:31Suddenly in the criminal complaint, only four cars were mentioned, Martinez Ruiz and two others. Originally, McLaughlin had said that Martinez drove herself to the hospital. Complaint says that she was actually taken by ambulance from a nearby repair shop. But most critically, McLaughlin had originally claimed the government had to fire shots in self-defense in part because Martinez was armed with a semi-automatic weapon. The criminal complaint makes no mention of Martinez carrying a firearm. So even before an initial hearing on the charges facing Martinez, government had already contradicted their own story in multiple significant ways.

50:07But a hearing last night raised even more questions about exactly what happened here. So Chicago Tribune reporter Jason Meisner covered these proceedings. According to Martinez's attorney there at those proceedings, the presence of rogue armed agents of the state, that was the real danger to the community, not Martinez. Martinez's team alleged that body cam footage tells a totally different story than what the government has been selling. So her attorney told the court, based on repeated viewings of the body cam footage, you can see the agent who was driving suddenly turned the wheel to the left, indicating he actually ran Martinez, not the other way around.

50:46Then the agent jumps out and starts shooting. Martinez's attorney also argued that the pattern of the bullets through Martinez's passenger side door was inconsistent with the government's narrative about a head-on ramming. In addition, the body cam footage captures this agent saying, quote, do something, bitch, before he jumps out of the car and starts firing his weapon. The body cam footage was said to directly contradict the government's claim that Martinez was driving towards officers when they fired at her in self-defense. What's more, after the shooting, the agent appears to warn another agent about speaking plainly about what had just occurred, cognizant of the body cam's recording.

51:27Quote, after the shooting, Martinez's lawyer says the body camera captured another agent coming up and saying, hey, what happened? The agent points to his body cam and says, hey, don't speak. You're good. As for the government, their lawyer did claim that that same body cam footage captured an agent saying, we're getting boxed in. We got to get out of here. She's going to make contact right before the car is struck on both sides. Now, notably, Martinez's attorney offered to show the body cam footage to the court, while the government lawyers made no such offer. Now, ultimately, Martinez was shot five times.

52:03She's now being charged with forcibly assaulting, resisting, opposing, impeding, intimidating, or interfering with a federal law enforcement officer in the performance of their official duties. So far, though, the judge does not seem to impress with the government's case. Both Martinez and Ruiz were ordered released after the judge found the government did not meet the bar for requiring the two to be detained until their trial. Now, given that body camera footage exists, we are eventually going to get the real story of what exactly transpired here. but already in significant ways, the government's story of self-defense against a rampaging woman with a semi-automatic weapon has completely fallen apart.

52:40And while no agents were injured, an American woman suffered five gunshot wounds from her own government. And one can only assume there will be more dangerous and potentially deadly encounters between citizens of our country and the government their tax dollars fund as the Trump regime escalates their ICE and National Guard deployments. And so, Sagar, you were talking about, and this is a risk of, you know. And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints.com.

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