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Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - Episode Notes
Episode Title
11/25/25: GOP Majority At Risk Before Midterms, Dem Sen Threatened With Court Martial, Thanksgiving Advice
Episode Summary In this episode, Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti analyze the precarious state of Republican leadership before the upcoming midterms, discuss a Democratic senator's threat of court martial, and provide advice related to Thanksgiving. They delve into the internal issues within Congress, the implications of ongoing political dynamics, and the impact of inflation on holiday celebrations.
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Key Discussions
- GOP Majority at Risk Before Midterms
- Resignations in Congress:
- Notable resignations from GOP members, including Marjorie Taylor Greene (MTG) and Jared Golden, signal dissatisfaction and declining morale within the party.
- Members express feelings of being undervalued and ignored by the White House, leading to speculation about more resignations before the midterms.
- Morale Issues:
- Reports indicate a stark decline in morale among GOP members, with a sense of impending loss of majority control.
- Criticism directed at Mike Johnson (House Speaker) for failing to address the discontent within the ranks.
- Constitutional Responsibilities:
- Discussion about the failure of Congress to assert its powers, especially in matters of war and appropriations, reflecting a broader trend of deferring to executive authority.
- Democratic Senator Threatened with Court Martial
- Context:
- Alyssa Slotkin and Mark Kelly (Democratic Senators) release a statement urging military personnel to disobey unlawful orders, provoking a backlash from Trump and conservatives.
- Court Martial Proceedings:
- A statement from the Department of Defense indicates potential court martial for Captain Mark Kelly due to his statements, which could be viewed as undermining military authority.
- Political Ramifications:
- Krystal and Saagar discuss how this could inadvertently raise Mark Kelly’s profile and assist in fundraising efforts for him.
- Thanksgiving Advice
- Inflation Concerns:
- Scott Besson suggests moving from blue states to red states as a solution to inflation, a point met with skepticism regarding practicality for many families.
- Thanksgiving Dinner Costs:
- An overview of the rising costs of Thanksgiving dinner items, with an overall increase of approximately 4.1% compared to the previous year.
- Discussion on how people will likely express concerns over rising costs during family gatherings.
- Broader Themes
- Deteriorating Standards in Air Travel:
- Commentary on how the treatment of airline passengers has declined, paralleling the need for mutual respect between airlines and travelers.
- Political Discourse at the Thanksgiving Table:
- Exploration of how Thanksgiving could serve as a moment for discussing economic pressures and political frustrations, with the potential for cross-ideological dialogues on shared concerns like healthcare and cost of living.
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Key Takeaways
- The GOP is facing significant internal strife as members contemplate resignations amidst dwindling morale and fear of losing majority control.
- The threat of court martial against Senator Mark Kelly illustrates the heightened tensions between political actions and military authority.
- Thanksgiving discussions may center around economic issues, reflecting broader societal frustrations with inflation and cost of living challenges.
Final Thoughts This episode encapsulates the critical issues facing American politics as the midterms approach, highlighting the intersection of personal experiences, political accountability, and the influence of economic conditions on societal conversations. The hosts encourage listeners to engage in meaningful discussions around these topics during the holiday season.
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2:00We need your help to build the future of independent news media, and we hope to see you at BreakingPoints.com. All right, let's get to Congress. Turning now to Congress. Interesting story. So in the wake of Marjorie Taylor Greene's resignation, there's been a discussion about Congress in particular and Republicans who are in Congress. What do they do all day? Do they even really want to stay there? There's been a spate, actually, of a number of people in Congress who are resigning. What was his name? Jared Golden, is that his name, in Maine, who said he would resign. You have Marjorie Taylor Greene who said, or he said he wouldn't run for re-election.
2:31Marjorie Taylor Greene said she's going to resign. But people, broadly, are just fed up with the institution, and they feel like they waste their time, and they don't do anything. Let's put this up here on the screen from Jake Sherman. And he's one of these inside the Beltway reporters who really, you know, he speaks to everybody and reports some of the inside gossip. So here's what he says. A few other GOP members have messaged us over the weekend saying they, too, are considering retiring in the middle of the term. Here is one exercise senior House Republican. This entire White House team has treated all members like garbage, all.
3:04And Mike Johnson has let it happen because he wanted it to happen. That is the sentiment of nearly all. Appropriators, authorizers, hawks, doves, rank and file. The arrogance of this White House team is off-putting to members who run roughshod and threatened. They don't even allow little wins like announcing small grants or even responding from agencies. Not even the high profile, the regular rank and file random members are more upset than ever. Members know they are going into the minority after the midterms. More explosive early resignations are coming. It's a tinderbox. Morale has never been lower.
3:39Mike Johnson will be stripped of his gavel and they will lose the majority before this term is out. That is shocking. Now, remember, I flagged this, that MTG resigning was a big problem for Mike Johnson because that was, I mean, what is it, two votes? They're in the House of Representatives. You lose two more. Take a look at an actuarial table, if you might, for the average age for a number of people in Congress. You're hanging on there by a real thread. And I mean, I think what's interesting about the whole White House treating them like garbage thing is you could blame the White House, but you could also blame Congress.
4:17And then that's the part where I get a little bit annoyed, where I'm like, well, nothing's stopping you from being like MTG and trying to stand up. It's you're who afraid of standing up, quote unquote, to Congress or standing up to the White House or, you know, getting on their bad side. You're the ones who live in fear of a Trump truth social or who go around the Capitol and say, well, I haven't seen the tweet or I'm not aware of what it is or I'm not aware yet of what the president said, but always praising him on the other side, even though behind the scenes you totally disagree. So it's kind of it's a revealing story in the way that they act, but it also it's on them.
4:58And I think that's really what I wanted to make this about is, look, I think it's sad that MTG is leaving. I really do wish that she would stay, at the very least, just to use her voice and salience to make other people uncomfortable, stand up to the White House. But, you know, nothing has stopped them from standing up on even issues like Venezuela, for example. I mean, they refuse to take control over their ability to declare war and to exercise some oversight over the United States military, which is their constitutional, you know, one of their obligations, right, is to review especially appropriations and the literal right to declare war.
5:33They refuse to exercise any power over that. They refuse to exercise any power, let's say, over weapon shipments and the Leahy law. Like they pass laws into office or they pass laws on the books and then they refuse to actually ensure or try to ensure that those laws are being followed. And this isn't just a Trump story. It's really a story of post-Iraq. is that ever since Iraq, when congressmen and senators, or when senators voted to support the war in Iraq, and then Hillary basically lost in 2008 because of the Iraq War vote, they just don't want to take any difficult vote, and they're happy to just pass the buck to the executives so that they own all the political consequences.
6:15And that's really the case on everything. I mean, even if you remember Crystal Obamacare, not when it was passed, but when the Republicans tried to repeal it. Many Republicans who lost in 2018 blamed their vote on Obamacare, on trying to repeal Obamacare for the reason they lost. I remember Martha McSally specifically talking about that in the state of Arizona and multiple others who actually ended up losing in that election. They don't want to take difficult votes. That's why they put things in big bills and they just kind of like shunt it once a year so that they can recover later on if they need to from the political consequences.
6:50So I blame the institution much more than I blame just the White House in this way. They're acting like most White Houses do when it comes to Congress. Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, they're working together to give the executive as much power as possible. Like, that's effectively what's happened here. I mean, they've co-signed Trump's executive power grab from the beginning, even if you think about Doge, right? Oh, yeah. Out of the gates. Doge is now, by the way, finished after having, you know, decimated parts of the federal government but achieved negative cost savings and, you know, wrought a lot of havoc in people's lives and degraded government services, et cetera.
7:25So congratulations to all involved. And now the Doge boys who were part of it are apparently afraid that they're going to be prosecuted for, you know, not following the law while they were there. But in any case, out of the gates, all these Republicans were so excited about Doge and all this cost-cutting and completely on board with the executive branch just unilaterally deciding what funds were going to be spent, what programs were going to be cut. They didn't assert their authority as a legislative body, you know, because, I mean, this is the way this is supposed to work, as everyone knows, is Congress appropriates funds.
8:00And then the executive has discretion over exactly how Congress's wishes are fulfilled. But the constitutional understanding is that Congress has the power of the purse and the executive branch doesn't just get to say, hey, we're just not doing the Department of Education anymore. No, that was congressionally mandated. So if you're a Republican and you have control of the House and the Senate and you want to decimate USAID or you want to decimate the Department of Education, OK, those are congressionally mandated authorized agencies. You go through a process or if there are individual programs that you're like, you know what, I'm not on board with this subsidy to green energy or whatever it is.
8:38Again, you can pass legislation to roll back what was done in the past. Instead, they were happy to hand it off to Elon and his chainsaw and President Trump. So you can't now turn around and be like, hey, they treat us like a potted plant. They treat us like garbage. Or another quote was they act like we're the Duma, which is, you know, the Russian parliament that's just like a rubber stamp for Putin. Like, they treat us like that. It's like, yeah, you asked for that treatment. You handed all of this power. You went along with this whole executive power grab. You celebrated. You were in support of it.
9:08And now you're like, where's my consultation on this and that? Like, get out of here. But, you know, I think the I think the sense of frustration and disgust has set in after the 2025 election results, where it is now incredibly clear that they are going to lose the majority. So the only thing worse than being treated like garbage in a potted plant in the majority is being treated like garbage in a potted plant and being in the minority and having to deal with the Democrats and whatever subpoenas and investigations they're going to do as well. So, you know, it wouldn't surprise me if this comes to pass that enough say, forget it, I'm out of here before the midterms that Johnson loses his gavel.
9:50You know, they a lot of these like they'll go to special elections. The timing of those varies by state. You know, I'm not sure exactly what will happen in Florida. It's a very red district. You're likely to get another Republican. But in the meantime, there will be a vacancy for a while that will make their holding on to the majority more difficult and keeping everyone together will require Mike Johnson to keep literally everyone together on every single priority. And then you look at something like, you know, in Tennessee, there's this special election going on right now in a district Trump won by 22 points.
10:21I think the Republicans are probably going to win it, but they're a little bit nervous. They're having to spend money. That shows you how dangerous this situation is, especially in special elections where, you know, Democrats high turnout base now shows up for these things. And Republicans, you know, base, which has shifted and become more working class and is less likely to turn up for these elections, may not be paying attention. Yep. I think you are definitely correct. And for Mike Johnson, let's put MTG's response D2 up there on the screen. She says, fact check, it's true, but it's worse than people inside the bubble know.
10:55When you talk to real Americans about the wicked snow globe of Washington, D.C., love that. Myself and many of my colleagues have come courageously roaring into 2025 with legislation that matched the election mandate only to be totally sidebined by Johnson under full obedience of the White House. Executive orders are temporary. Q memes have not obliterated the deep state. My colleagues constantly trying to pass a loyalty test instead of demanding what is right, won't help Americans pay their rent, stop corporations for buying home, buy groceries, provide good-paying jobs, and more. Passing effective legislation that gets signed into law is permanent and actually solves problems.
11:29Now that House members are switching gears into campaign mode and will be fighting for their lives, our legislative majority has been wasted. Our best shot was the first six to nine months. When Republicans lose the midterms, it becomes total and complete political war. Gridlock once again. The Union Party always wins. What is a convincing message for 2026 and likely 2028? It will be the American people asking candidates, what tangible thing have you done for me? How did it or will it make my life any better? I think she's right. It also demonstrates some of the issues that we have right now with Congress broadly.
12:02And there's also a joke, apparently. Let's put this next one up here on the screen. Inside the White House, top advisors joke that they are ruling Congress with an iron fist, according to people who have heard the comments. Steve Bannon, the influential Trump ballot, likened Congress to the Duma, the Russian assembly that is largely ceremonial, which is. I forgot it was Bannon who was the one who said that. Who said it was the Duma. Which Duma? That's the question. Real Russia watchers.
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13:30All right, let's go to the next part on sedition, shall we? Yeah, so you guys have been probably following the story. We covered it on the show. So Alyssa Slotkin, Mark Kelly, and some other Democratic members of Congress, like national security Dems who either come out of the CIA, former CIA or former military, put out this video saying, hey, if there are unlawful orders, you should not follow them. Not specifying which unlawful orders, et cetera. And I think it was meant to provoke, and it certainly got that response. Trump started calling them the seditious seven. He retweeted a comment that, you know, George Washington would have had them hanged.
14:10He said they were traitors, et cetera. Well, we have a new escalation in this battle. We can put E1 up on the screen. This is the Department of Defense statement here. They say the official statement of the Department of War has received serious allegations of misconduct against Captain Mark Kelly, retired in accordance with the Uniform Code of Military Justice and other applicable regulations. A thorough review of these allegations has been initiated to determine further actions, which may include recall to active duty for court martial proceedings or administrative measures. This matter will be handled in compliance with military law, ensuring due process and a partiality.
14:48Oh, yeah. OK. Further official comments will be limited to preserve the integrity of the proceedings. Department of War reminds all individuals that military retirees remain subject to the UCMJ for applicable offenses and federal laws such as this particular code. Prohibit actions intended to interfere with the loyalty, morale, or good order and discipline of the armed forces. Any violations will be addressed through appropriate legal channels. All service members are reminded they have a legal obligation under the UCMJ to obey lawful orders and orders are presumed to be lawful. A service member's personal philosophy does not justify or excuse the disobedience of an otherwise lawful order.
15:25We can put Mark Kelly's response here up on the screen as well to get what he was saying. So he says, when I was 22 years old, I commissioned as an ensign in the United States Navy and swore an oath to the Constitution. I upheld that oath through flight school, multiple deployments on the USS Midway, 39 combat missions in Operation Desert Storm, test pilot school for space shuttle flights at NASA, and every day since I retired, which I did after my wife Gabby was shot in the head while serving her constituents. In combat, I had a missile blow up next to my jet and flew through anti-aircraft fire to drop bombs on enemy targets.
15:59At NASA, I launched on a rocket, commanded the space shuttle, and was part of the recovery mission that brought home the bodies of my astronaut classmates who died on Columbia. did all of this in service to this country that I love and has given me so much. Secretary Hegseth's tweet is the first I heard of this. I also saw the president's post saying I should be arrested, hanged and put to death. If this is meant to intimidate me and other members of Congress from doing our jobs and holding this administration accountable, it won't work. I've given too much to this country to be silenced by bullies who care more about their own power than protecting the Constitution.
16:32Sagar, I'm curious for your view on this. I mean, in some ways, I mean, what they said is basically on its face, uncontroversial that like, hey, if there are illegal orders, you don't have to follow them and you actually shouldn't follow them, which is just Ryan was saying it's basically like, hey, don't commit crimes. You know, it's very on its face, very uncontroversial. But because of the context around it, it was obviously meant to provoke. And they did that very effectively. I mean, it reminded me of a sort of a Trumpian tactic. I was like, oh, these centrists are actually learning a little bit of something.
17:04And now they've created this whole conversation around, OK, well, which orders would be unlawful and what are you talking about? And a whole fur around this with the Trump freak out and overreaction here. So I wonder what you make of it. Yeah, they're doing this guy the biggest favor they ever could. Mark, do you know how much skill it takes to make Mark Kelly compelling as a figure? It's one of the most boring guys I've ever seen in my life. Look, no offense to a service record, not saying anything bad, just saying, you know, it's like. I've seen the guy in person. There's not a lot going on there.
17:34But, you know, this is the best thing they could have done for him. In fact, the Democrats have already sent multiple fundraising emails with that exact same thing. When the headers are all like, he wants to throw me in prison. They're going to turn this guy into a resistance hero. Recall him for court martial. By the way, given the conduct now currently of the way, like the judicial system that they have, their track record. let's say, for example, in the Comey case, Letitia James, sandwich guy, multiple of these other cases they've brought, I wouldn't be so confident, you know, that they can come.
18:10Oh, I mean, it's obviously ridiculous. Right, but that's - Like, you're allowed to, like, just state the obligations that they have under the Constitution. There's nothing illegal about that. What are they going to turn this into? A few good men? You know, they're going to turn it into a few good men, literally. They're going to be the most televised court-martial in U.S. history. The cameras outside of the courtroom, they'll turn him into a goddamn hero, literally. You just save his election down there in Arizona. And oh my God, the amount of fundraising and profile. I mean, there's nothing else that these guys could want.
18:40And again, that's the irony, is that this is Mark Kelly we're talking about here. It sort of rescues them with the Democratic base too. Yes, I know. It's so annoying. These like centrist types. And it's like, I mean, they were, yeah, they were clever. And then it's annoying to me too. Like Slotkin got asked about, okay, well, are there unlawful orders? And then she's like, oh, I'm not saying that. It's like, you know what? If you're going to do this and flirt with us, like just freaking come out and say you can at least raise questions about the Venezuela shit we just did in this show. You know, certainly you can speak to that as well.
19:08But they can they're getting away with raising questions and like provoking Trump without actually having to be against any of the specific actions, some of which, you know, the Venezuela stuff, a bunch of Democrats. They may not like how Trump's going about it, but they're not out and out opposed, which is why a lot of Democrats have been very quiet about the possibility of regime change in Venezuela. But but yeah, I mean, it's completely rescuing them in their standing with the Democratic base, making it appear like they're fighting. And I think it was sort of a clever and Trumpian tactic, frankly.
19:40Here's the Pete Hegseth response that Mark Kelly had alluded to. He, quote, tweeted that original Department of War statement. He says, the video made by the seditious six was despicable, reckless, and false, encouraging our warriors to ignore the orders of their commanders, undermines every aspect of good order and discipline. Their foolish screed sows doubt and confusion, which only puts our warriors in danger. Five of the six individuals in that video do not fall under Department of War jurisdiction. One is CIA. Four are former military but not retired, so they're no longer subject to UCMJ.
20:10However, Mark Kelly, retired Navy commander, is still subject to UCMJ, and he knows that. As was announced, the department is reviewing his statements and actions which were addressed directly to all troops while explicitly using his rank and service affiliation, lending the appearance of authority to his words. Kelly's conduct brings discredit upon the armed forces and will be addressed appropriately. So, yeah, I mean, this is just, I don't know. It's just ridiculous. I mean, and also for these guys to to wax about the the order, especially Pete Hegseth. I mean, the one thing we know about his leadership at the Pentagon is has been nothing but like chaos and absurdity the whole time, which is why he's relegated to these Twitter fights rather than doing like the big boy negotiations that are going on right now.
20:54I mean, to this point about let's go to the next one here, just about that. This it just pains me. The incompetence. It just pains me. The judge has now dismissed the case against James Comey and Letitia James after finding the prosecutor was unlawfully appointed. The judge ruled that Lindsey Halligan was appointed after Trump urged Pam Bondi to prosecute and the New York Attorney General. Bondi said Monday the DOJ will appeal the judge's ruling. So these charges against Comey and against Letitia James were dismissed, quote, without prejudice. so that means that it could be recharged and potentially overturned all of that on appeal.
21:31Obviously, you know, even with appeal and all of that is there, but it's not looking so good, considering the way that Halligan handled the case, considering the grand jury stuff that we'd revealed there previously. And, I mean, it's just going the same way of so many of these others, where they stand up, they make a big show of it, and then it hits the judicial system, and they're like, yeah, I don't think so. So, there you go. It's a big story, though, just to show how incompetently they handled the case, because this was one of their flagship ones against Comey. And it drives me nuts. I don't want to sit here and defend James Comey.
22:06I can't stand the guy. I want him to be prosecuted, to be honest. But the way that they've done it is just the most incompetent, foolish, ridiculous way. And then when they lose, too, of course, it just devalues any potential future argument they have. And of course, Comey, he has rights and he's a multimillionaire who will be able to contest to his defense. And his lawyers already pretty effectively took this one down. They were the ones who pointed out all of the ineptitude originally in the case. Yeah. And just as a reminder to people, the way this went down, you know, the original prosecutor in that district, you know, basically was like, there's nothing here to indict on.
22:47And he's pushed down. Then they put in Lindsay Halligan. And that's what this ruling centers around is they say she was inappropriately appointed. She's never been involved in a criminal prosecution before ever. And now you're in charge of this incredibly high stakes, high profile prosecution of Jim Comey. She screws everything up about it, you know, doesn't present the grand jury with the final indictment. So was likely to get thrown out for that as well. Then you also have Trump, you know, just out and out talking about how he wants this retribution about against Comey, which also could have gotten the case thrown out as well.
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23:22The Letitia James one was just utterly absurd. This claim of mortgage fraud, really no there there. She had apparently, you know, checked her real estate broker had checked the wrong box. Tish James had emailed the broker and said like, no, this is not my personal home. This is meant to be for someone else, et cetera. Bill Pulte, who's this apparatchik within the housing administration in the Trump administration, is the one who's been pulling these mortgage fraud cases to try to make something out of nothing. But in any case, both of them get tossed because of Lindsey Halligan's inappropriate appointment.
23:54And, you know, I mean, it matters a lot because the point of these prosecutions was not even necessarily that they would be successful. They were meant to frighten the opposition and to send a message, right? I mean, this was, if we think about the Trump administration coming out of the investigates coercing media, coercing law firms, coercing universities. This was part of that strategy to strike fear in the hearts of anyone who would dare oppose them. And so when the prosecutions end up this pathetic and shambolic, I'm not going to say that this has been a fun experience for Jim Comey, but it feels a lot less terrifying to be in the sights of this administration when you see the way these things get laughed out of court and on multiple fronts are just like pathetic and ridiculous and shambolic and don't even, you know, don't even stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny.
24:46So it doesn't exactly send a fearsome message to your opponents that you better not step out of line when they fall about, when the prosecutions fall apart in such a dramatic and pathetic way. Yes, I totally agree. It's quite a joke.
25:05What do you do when the headlines don't explain what's happening inside of you? I'm Ben Higgins, and if you can hear me, it's where culture meets the soul, a place for real conversation. Each episode, I sit down with people from all walks of life, celebrities, thinkers, and everyday folks, and we go deeper than the polished story. We talk about what drives us, what shapes us, and what gives us hope. We get honest about the big stuff. Identity when you don't recognize yourself anymore. Loss that changes you. Purpose when success isn't enough. Peace when your mind won't slow down. Faith when it's complicated.
25:43Some guests have answers. Most are still figuring it out. If you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to If You Can Hear Me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
26:03All right, let's go to our last segment, Thanksgiving. All right, here we go. So let's start with this sentiment from Scott Besson, who has some holiday advice for everyone about how to deal with inflation. Let's take a listen to that. Kristen, I can tell you that Council on Economic Advisors has a study. You know the best way to bring your inflation rate down? Move from a blue state to a red state. Blue state inflation is half a percent higher. And that is because they don't deregulate. They keep prices up. Energy is higher. So, Sagar, if you're struggling with health care costs, if you're struggling with rent, if you're struggling with electric bills because of the data center build on, just move.
26:48Just move. Now, if you are already living in one of those red states and are struggling and having your electric cut off, no advice or plans really coming from the administration on that. But I don't know. I'm getting some Ben Shapiro vibes off of this clip. I was going to say, very Ben Shapiro vibe that we get there from this secretary. Not usually a winning message. Look, I'm all for people moving if they want to. But one of the things I hate most about those types of messages is, what if you don't want to? A lot of people don't want to move. And I like that. A lot of people want to stay exactly where they grew up or near their parents.
27:19And I think that's great. And I think they should have, I think they have the right to do so. And more importantly, I think policy should be designed to help those types of people in particular. And so that's one of the things that really disgusts me about this type of ideology of like, yeah, who cares about where you live in your community and where your parents are? If you want to just move because you're a widget and that's really what a place of living is. I think anybody who understands the concept of home, that's why they find it really offensive when Ben Shapiro or a Scott Besson says something like that.
27:49So that is the winning message ahead of Thanksgiving. I wonder, you know, I mean, we talked about politics at the table. If you think about, you know, everyone always talks about kitchen table issues, which is such a trite phrase, but there's obviously something to it. What are people gonna be complaining about whenever it comes to Thanksgiving? I think they will be complaining about housing. I think they will be complaining about, like you talked about data centers, but cost of living, about inflation. In one of the pieces we're about to get, actually, let's just get to it now. F3, let's put the store prices in terms of what Thanksgiving dinner is actually gonna cost.
28:22There has been some modest decrease in some elements of the Thanksgiving dinner. However, consumers are paying more for some. Now we have jellied cranberry sauce. We have homestyle gravy, stuffing mix, buttermilk biscuits, party pie shells, russet potatoes, sweet corn, green beans, and whipped toppings. Those have all increased in price by a couple percentage points. Or in the case of cranberry sauce, not sure what's going on with cranberry market, it's up by 40%. You will, however, be playing some 2.3 % less whenever it comes to turkey, and some 5 % less for pumpkin pie mix. So if you put it all in the aggregate, it does look like it's going to cost a little bit more than it did last year, or the basket of ingredients for Thanksgiving, some 4.1 % more than last year, but not a horrible increase whenever it comes to the main staples.
29:11It did say, though, that you're pretty lucky that the mainstay meal of Thanksgiving is not beef, because that's up some 15 % year over year. In particular, if you go and you look at the stake section. So it's one of those where this, what gets me is, you know, the, the, it's not just about mess. Cause right now there's all this talk in the white house. It's about messaging. It's about, no, it's not messaging. I used to say this about Biden. It's a reality problem. You can't message or chart post your way out of increase in price and malaise and the feeling that not much is happening. That's it.
29:47That's politics period. You can never convince somebody that what they feel is not correct. You just can't. You really can't. Especially whenever it comes to cost of living, which is where the vast majority of people feel a lot of precarity and they feel as if the basics are not attainable. Or if they are attainable, you have to work much harder and get by in a way that you did not necessarily have to when your parents were growing up. And that's the essence of the overall American dream. So if anything, I feel like that might be a topic of conversation at Thanksgiving. And I think it should be.
30:18doubt about it. I think it should be because that's really what, I mean, when I bond with a lot of people, that's usually what it comes down to. Like, man, do you believe the cost of this? Can you believe that? I don't think that's how most people should want to spend their leisure time, but that's what it ends up being, I think, for most people. I want to be at the Thanksgiving dinner tables where they're talking about Epstein personally. Oh, well, you know what's funny? You know what's funny? When this guy goes, because I don't generally try to talk about politics or anything because I get it.
30:44It's like, this is my job and all of that. And so most people don't necessarily want to get into it. But Epstein, people are always asked, no matter where I go, in relatives, they love, that's the Epstein question is the one. And I'm always like, sit down, grab a drink or something. Let's talk. We're going to go back. I'll be like, let me tell you about the Dalton school in 1978. And they're like, oh man. I'm like, yeah, we're going to go. We're going together. Buckle up for the ride. So that's what Thanksgiving with me is like. I saw someone on Twitter saying that Zoran with Trump pulled the classic leftist Thanksgiving move of talking about how much you hate liberals and leaving everything else.
31:24Yeah, that's true. I like that. I think there's a lot to that, especially probably like, you know, railed against the media. There were some allusions to that in the media of in the meeting of like, oh, that one, the media did actually get right about me saying that. So I think he had previously talked about how, oh, the media says that says these things about me. They're not really true. You know, just the way the media mischaracterizes you is the same way they mischaracterize me. So, you know, if you're on the left and you're looking to bond with the conservative, that's always that. But I I actually feel soccer.
31:55You know, I understand the country is very divided, but I do actually feel like there are a lot of issues now that would be places where whether you're left liberal, you know, right MAGA, whatever, where you could. find some common ground. I think you could talk about healthcare. I think you could talk about cost of living. I think you could talk about wars. I think you could talk about data centers. I think you could talk about Epstein. I think there are a lot of areas where you probably, unless you have someone who is just an absolute psycho ideologue, which is never worth talking to those people anyway, where you could actually have a reasonable conversation and exchange of ideas.
32:31And I do support that. I think that's healthy for people to be able to do. I totally agree. All right. Last page. I had to get this in here. The Secretary of transportation. So Thanksgiving travel right now is a shit show, right? Airline travel has been horrible ever since the shutdown. The Secretary of Transportation, after my heart and only my heart, because nobody else wants to hear this message, here's what he had to say. We have to think about how do we do a better job? How do we maintain maybe some of that frustration we have as we travel this Thanksgiving season? Maybe we should say a pleasing thank you to our pilots and to our flight attendants.
33:06I think, again, I call this just maybe dressing with some respect. Whether it's a pair of jeans and a decent shirt, I would encourage people to maybe dress a little better, which encourages us to maybe behave a little better. Let's try not to wear slippers and pajamas as we come to the airport. He's right. No pajamas at the airport. He is absolutely right. Now, that said, because people are going to get mad, here's my nuanced take on this. Is the airlines have now treated us like shit for 20 years. And by immiserating people, by nickel and diming, by making cattle boarding and treating everybody like shit, and then also by, you know, oh, the beverage costs, creating the smallest seats and all of that ever.
33:55their decline in standards is then reflected in the way people think about travel. So if travel is going to be an immiserating, you know, horrible experience, then yes, nobody is going to dress up to go to the airport. And so my grand bargain is the airlines have to treat us better. And in exchange, we will show up better to the airport. That is my grand bargain. I'll take that. Yeah. I'll take that. I mean, I will also say, like, listen, Thanksgiving travel, you're talking about usually traveling with your kids. Yeah, it sucks. You know, at some ungodly hour, everyone is miserable. Like, the least you can do is try to be a little bit comfy.
34:34So, no judgment there. I feel like the only people who really dress up for air travel at this point are, like, gay men and Instagram models. No, that's absolutely incorrect. That's a direct shot at me. No, I'll tell you. No, it's not. Do you really dress up for the Air Force soccer? I mean, I don't wear a full suit, but I'm trying to think. I think I maybe flew in sweats once, and that was India to US, you know, in my defense. It was a 16 and a half hour flight, Delhi to JFK. Yeah, but you haven't flown a lot with Priya yet. No, only once. Yeah, only once. Yeah. I will say, with children, it would be difficult because, you know, do I really want spit up all over the snow?
35:16Yeah, baby's puking on you, drooling on you. And, you know, you're changing diapers and whatever. You're going to be dressed up for that. I've changed diapers and a suit. And it's been an unfortunate situation, which I had to explain to my parents. I mean, you do what you got to do. But I'm just saying, you know, when you're dealing with a baby or a toddler or a young child, like that just totally changes the calculation. Absolutely. You're just in survival mode, you know. And if your comfort is going to make things like 1 % easier, then I say absolutely go for it. That's true. I defend the rights of new parents to dress how they're in.
35:49I'm definitely a comfort and ease airport dresser, right? I'm going to have shoes that are slip-ons, so it's easy to get through security because I don't have TSA pre-check. Security does complicate this. I'm not fancy like that. Yeah, security does complicate this. There are going to be layers involved because you know the airplane is either going to be like 20 degrees or 100 degrees. So you either need to be able to like take off the jacket or put the jacket on or the blanket or whatever you got. So hair is going to be in a ponytail. That's the way it's going to be. All right. Listen, if you're right, if they up the standards, maybe that would change the situation.
36:21We all need mutually better standards. But personally, that's the reality. My thing is, I remember in Japan, everyone is dressed incredibly. And I was thinking about it and I go, you know, I really think it's not just that. It's that everything there is nice. When the subway system is nice and it's clean and everything is either upgraded or very well-kempt, then you yourself want to feel well-kempt when you're taking or using that. There are all these viral videos I encourage people to go watch of people walking around Tokyo with white socks, and then they look at the bottom of their feet, and it's like pristine.
36:55They'll walk through the busiest streets of Tokyo wearing white, clean white socks. There's barely any black on there. Another person, you know the escalator black thing, like when you're going up the escalator, the handrail? They compare the New York City subway one, which is pitch black by the time they get up to the top, to the Tokyo subway. Barely any residue. When things are like that, then you don't feel bad about dressing nicely. And you don't feel filthy like subway clothes for New York. So anyway, that's my overall take. You can talk about that at Thanksgiving. There you go. Well, Sagar, Emily has, we've learned during the course of the show, we got some more information about this Baja Blast pie that you're going to be trying.
37:36Apparently Taco Bell already discontinued it. I guess it was not much of a hit. So she handmade it. She handmade it. She sent us pictures of her boiling the Baja Blast on her step. That pot will never be the same. It will never be the same, that pot. I said, what would RFK Jr. say? It's just going to be shaking his head. I'm a little sad that I won't be there to try. You'll have to tell me how it is. I am a little bit concerned Emily is trying to take you out and take your slot. But I think you probably - She can have it as long as I get my Baja Blast pie. All right? But I'll be honest, I'm not a big pie guy.
38:13I hate to say it. I know I'm from Texas. Pecan pie. Oh, pecan pie. You know, pecan pie, it's too sugary. It's kind of gross. I hate to say it. I'm a fan. Sorry, Texas. I am a fan. I can have a bite. Do you have a favorite? Okay, but if you're going to eat a pie, what's your favorite pie? Like pumpkin pie because it's got that cinnamon in it. It's not too sweet, you know. I'm an apple pie. I'm an apple pie fan. Apple pie is good. That's probably my number one. I mean, I do enjoy all of it. I like a cherry pie. I like a pecan pie. I like a pumpkin pie. I'll take it all. But probably my number one is classic apple pie, a la mode, with some whipped cream as well.
38:51You can't go wrong with that. Yeah, that sounds pretty good. That sounds good. I wouldn't put the vanilla ice cream, though. You gotta put the whipped cream. That's in my opinion. Why choose? I don't have a big sweet tooth. I'm not a big sweets guy. But we'll see. We'll see. I do like Baja Blast. Diet Baja Blast. It's good. All right, let's get to the AMA Live. Producer Mac and I will be eating the Baja Blast pie live on camera. So that's why you should sign up, breakingpoints.com. Yep. And happy Thanksgiving to everyone. And Sagar and I, we'll see you guys next week. Safe travels, everyone. We'll see you all on Monday.
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