12/16/25: MAGA Revolt Over Trump Rob Reiner Attack, Kash Fumbles Brown Manhunt, Zionists Push For Muslim Expulsion

25:54Oh, completely. And, um, yeah, I mean, I listened to all those calls in that particular, you know, section of Emily's shows, there was one who said, look, I don't see anything wrong with it. All of the other ones were, this is disgusting. I'm really disappointed. I'm a three-time Trump voter. I mean, that's what it was. And Emily told us, she flagged for us. She's like, guys, I have not had our phone lines this lit up over anything ever. Like, it really seems to have touched a nerve. And of course she said, and this is true, not a scientific survey, but you do see on the right, in addition, to, you know, that backlash from the base.

26:30Yeah, I noted Jesse Waters, who is very incendiary person, very loyal to the president, et cetera. He had actor James Woods on his show yesterday, conservative, who said, I loved Rob. Rob rescued my career. Like people would ask me, how can you be friends with this person who's so different from you? He's like, listen, those are just political differences. Like I'm thinking about what this man meant to me in my life. Laura Ingram posted an interview that she had done with Rob Reiner, where she said, you know, I ran into him and we had a very amicable, you know, friendly exchange where we don't agree on things, but it was a fine conversation.

27:07And he immediately agreed to come in studio and sit down with me and do an interview. So I found that noteworthy too, that those Fox News personalities were approaching things in that manner. And, you know, I think there's something to what you're saying here. So I'm gonna put A10 up on the screen. This is some polling that came out from NBC News where Trump's strong approval with his base has fallen. Oh, sorry. This is a side. I'll throw to it in just a second. And even though there's still overwhelming support for him among Republicans, you have a little bit of erosion. And then you specifically have erosion between, you know, the story of Trump and his superpower has always been.

27:46He may not have majority support, but, man, his people are ride or die. And they freaking love the guy. That has really eroded. So when you couple together all these factors, you've got, number one, you just had the Charlie Kirk assassination and Republicans who hated the way, you know, people on the left who were critical of Charlie right after he was dead, they found that horrible. I mean, hundreds of people got fired for comments they made about Charlie Kirk, even comments that weren't like celebrating his death, but were just saying, hey, here's what he said in life and I don't like the legacy that he stood for.

28:16And so you just had that whole moment on the right. You had a number of people, we can't put A9, this is Jack Posobiec up on the screen, a number of right-wing influencers who before Trump comes out is saying, see how morally superior we are. You won't see people on the right celebrating the horrific murder of Rob Reiner and his wife. Compare that to the left's reaction, Charlie Kirk's murder. And then of course, after that, Trump comes in and says this thing, Jack is still coping over this, but whatever. So you have that dynamic. You have Rob Reiner being this just well-known figure that had all of this sort of cultural relevance to people in their own lives and really meant something to them.

28:53And then you have Trump lame duck, people already dissatisfied with a lot of things in his administration. One of the callers on Emily's show said, you know, it's not like things are going that well. And then for him to say this, you know, it's just like horrible. So let's go ahead and take a listen to A10. This is Harry Enten breaking down some of that polling. Strongly approve of Donald Trump. OK, this is 2024 Trump voters. In March, it was 66 percent. Look at where we are now. It's just 50 percent of 2024 Trump voters strongly approve of him. Look, Trump voters still like Donald Trump, but they don't love him as much.

29:32And that means there's a permission structure to actually go against him. And that is exactly what you saw in Indiana. And Sagar, the other thing that poll showed is that, you know, they asked people, Republicans, do you identify more as a MAGA Republican or more as a traditional Republican? Throughout the Trump era, the consistent trend has been you have vastly more Republicans who identify as MAGA Republicans. Those numbers also shifted dramatically, where I'm not sure if it was quite a majority yet, but it was basically 50-50 between people in the Republican Party who said, I'm a MAGA Republican and who said, I'm a traditional Republican.

30:10And that in and of itself is a huge political shift in people's political identities. Yeah, I think, oh, I mean, I've, I've hammered that home, haven't I? Talking just about, I'm like, yeah, you may lose MAGA, but that's not who voted for you in the election. That's not how you win a popular vote. I do think to the, that straight comment about things not going so well, it kind of says everything, you know, people are very understated in the way nobody necessarily has a totally coherent political ideology. It's very rare for people to think deeply about politics. They generally just observe external conditions, either through media, their own life, kind of fuse those together.

30:50And that's how they just feel in the moment, right? And that's how people can have so many contradictory beliefs. But I have to believe that the material way that things are going in combination with Reiner... I mean, let's also think back to a core case that MAGA made in 2024. for. A core belief was I could sure use some mean tweets right now. And the thesis behind that was that these Reiner-esque comments are fine as long as other things in the country and my own life are going fine. Now, when you have it, when things are not fine, that's when, you know, you start to notice a whole lot of different things, right?

31:29And I think that's what it ultimately comes down to. So, for example, part of the reasons that Biden's gaffes or his age or any of that hit home so hard for people was that things were not going well under his administration. Like we've had ailing and old presidents potentially even going senile, right, in the past. But as long as you feel like things are going fine, you're like, yeah, whatever, right? You know, a lot of people, people can overlook anything. People can overlook Bill Clinton. Made a 60 % approval rating whenever he left office despite all the Lewinsky bullshit. bullshit. Yeah, the S &P 500 was high, so the rich people were happy, and most people, their average income and all that had been going up for over eight years, and they say, yeah, whatever, okay?

32:11Yeah, he lied about his affair with Monica Winski, so be it. That doesn't actually affect my life all that time. But, but, but, and this is the reverse, is that when you have that dominating your life, politics, and you feel as if it's not just a distraction, but it's one that, I mean, And look, no one has ever made the case that Donald Trump is a man of a true moral character or in any way not a narcissist. But there's something where at the end of the day, one of the core things about politics people have always pointed to is that metric about cares about people like me. And it's pretty obvious.

32:44Like Trump has never really cared about people like you. But a lot of people can think about that or rationalize that if they want to. In this moment, it becomes so obvious, where 99.9 % of the human population is like, oh my God, what a horrific, just what a tragedy, right? I mean, that's what most people would think. That's how most people would react. Then you combine that with the effect that this person's art has had on your life, inspirational or, I mean, look, it's sappy and all that, but like When Harry Met Satellite, these are iconic movies. These are like, you walk around New York or whatever, and you're like, that's what you think.

33:18Maybe that's cringe, but that's what I did. That was my only connection to the city prior to being there. And so that was important. And so you have all those little moments, and then you see something like this where you're just like, who would do this? Who would do this on top of Venezuela, Israel, Epstein, and then the economy, the single and the most important one. So, yeah, I don't know. It broke the – And the ballroom. I mean that's how they think that – The ballroom broke through. You're right. We were surprised, really broke through to people because it was such a symbol of like, this is the shit you're focused on.

33:53You're building out your multi-hundred and hundred million dollar ballroom. And that's what you're paying attention to while I can't afford groceries and we're headed into Christmas. Like what is happening with this? But, you know, I mean, I think with Reiner too, like Americans love their celebrities. That's a good big part of the reason why Trump is in the White House is because we do. We love our celebrities. and it's something I am in a sense I'm a little bit so I could have seen Trump going in another direction because Trump does understand that relationship that Americans have to their celebrities and so I could have seen him taking a different approach but ultimately you know his instincts for if you're an enemy you know doesn't matter alive dead whatever like like I'm I'm never going to be nice.

34:39I will never forgive. I will never forget. I will never, never be cordial. That is just not something that he will ever overcome. And actually Susie Wells, we'll get to this later, had a little bit of something to say about that in this crazy interview that she gave to Vanity Fair. Yeah, you're, you know, I also think the Charlie Kirk thing can't be understated, right? Yeah. Because we did live through a kind of a moment where people were like, hey, like we need to have a set amount of discourse when somebody dies, even a controversial figure, somebody overtly political like Charlie Kirk. And there was literal state power.

35:10There was an entire ecosystem dedicated to enforcing this type of norm. And then immediately - Over 600 people got fired for Charlie Kirk commentary. I think some of them deserve to be fired. I think that's fine. And it's one of those though, where you can't hold that opinion and then also look at Trump's comment and not say anything. So there's also, I mean, that's only what, 90 days? It hasn't been that long since he passed. It's only been a couple of months. So this is still fresh in a lot of people's memory. And you know, you gotta remember, for people who aren't overtly, again, political, let's just say like kind of right-leaning-ish, they found the Charlie Kirk thing horrifying for the murder.

35:50And I think some of them took it seriously. What people were saying were like, yeah, it's horrible. We shouldn't celebrate anybody's murder, anybody's death. And so then to explicitly then turn around and do it, from the president of the United States himself is shocking, I think, for anybody who took those types of ideas seriously. But I think finally, really what it is to me is Trump, the magic sauce, whatever it is, that has held him together for 10 years, that old Donnie always wriggled his way out. And I think he will, legally. I'm not saying that the walls are closing in or any of that. I just think his specter of untouchability is starting to fall apart.

36:27It's been that way for a couple months, But this one, you know, it's the stuff like this. I always assumed. I go, look, people just don't care. I don't get it. Never will. Not my cup of tea. Never has been for how somebody who can operate, you know, there at the highest level. I was like, but, you know, that's me being out of touch. But maybe not. Maybe people are starting to, you know, kind of surface back to reality. Maybe it was just 10 years of madness. I don't know. But this very clearly has broken the paradigm. Well, you and Ryan played a thought from him yesterday where he was talking about bringing the troops home from Syria.

37:01How that worked out. Anyway, and it was from what, like 2018? And 2017, 2018, somewhere in there. I have the cat behind me now. And I was like, wow, he looked so much more alive. He, his color was different. Like he, it really brought home for me just how much he has aged over the past number of years. And so, you know, I don't think that can be discounted here either when you're talking about whatever his magic sauce is. He's kind of losing it. Yeah, he is. He is. I mean, the vigor is not there. The sense of where the American people are isn't there. You know, even maybe like whether or not he cares what people think.

37:43He's old. He is, you know, not going to be around forever. and, you know, as you become older, you kind of, you lose your patience, you lose your self-restraint. All of those things happen as people age. And so I think that's part of it too, is just like, you know, he's an old man and he's really starting to show it. You might be right. You know, what did we always say under Biden? You revert to the mean, you know, you kind of revert to the mean of exactly who you are. And it's a stressful job no matter what, you know, ornery. Even if you don't even work that hard, It's still hard. It's a difficult job.

38:18It's the hardest job in the world. And yeah, I don't know. Again, I fully don't know. I think this is one of the most interesting political moments just sociologically that I've seen in quite some time because I never see, you know, normal Trump voting women be like, I'm so disgusted by this. I never see that. It's always, I mean, come on, you've met these people too in real life. It's always like, whataboutism or the left or whatever, fine. Or like, I don't like it, but. Yeah, I don't like it, but. There was no but with this. I mean, by and large, it was like, I don't like it, period. Period.

38:55End of story. This is a major disappointment and he needs to do better. I agree. I agree. So interesting in its own right. Welcome to the A-Building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. had both been assassinated. And Black America was at a breaking point. rioting and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's alma mater, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in Black history, Martin Luther King Sr. and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution.

39:36I mean, people were dying. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should. And it will blow your mind. Listen to The A Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings.

40:16Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. NLP, aka Neuro Linguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain. It's about engineering consciousness. Mind Games is the story of NLP. It's crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it at a New Age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all?

40:56NLP might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose podcast. On a recent episode, I sat down with Nick Jonas, singer, songwriter, actor, and global superstar. The thing I would say to my younger self is congratulations. You get to marry Priyanka Chopra Jonas. And also, you know, your daughter's incredible. That's beautiful, man. Yeah. Thank you. That's so beautiful. I can see that got you a little... Yeah, for sure. Our daughter, she came to the world under sort of very intense circumstances, which I had not really talked about ever.

41:41Growing up on Disney in front of a million, how did that shape your sense of self? I went blank. I hit a bad note, then I couldn't recover. And I built up this idea that music and being a musician was my whole identity. I had to sort of relearn who I was if you took this thing away. Who am I? Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Turning now to the Brown University shooting and the hunt for the suspect after two students were tragically killed in circumstances that we still do not yet understand. Ryan and I covered the FBI's failures yesterday with the release of a so-called person of interest.

42:23The name was leaked to the news media and it was a huge screw-up by the FBI. Trump are now under fire by Kash Patel's handling of the case, defending Kash Patel and actually casting blame on the local police department. Let's take a listen. Has Kash Patel told you why it's been so difficult for the FBI to identify who the shooter is? Well, it's always difficult. So far, we've done a very good job of doing it with Charlie, with, you know, the various times this has happened. They've done it in pretty much record time. But you'd really have to ask the school a little bit more about that because, you know, this was a school problem.

43:01They had their own guards. They had their own police. They had their own everything. But you'd have to ask that question really to the school, not to the FBI. We came in after the fact and the FBI will do a good job. But they came in after the fact. Came through after the fact, talking, casting blame there on the local officials. I mean, remember, look, I mean, I do think that the local officials haven't necessarily handled themselves the best here. But let's be very clear. The FBI is the one who screened that so-called person of interest. They're the ones who touted it on social media as if it was some sort of victory.

43:36Now, speculation remains about who leaked the name of that individual who, again, we are not going to say his name. This is a decorated U.S. Army veteran member of the Honor Guard whose name was besmirched in the public, life dissected disgustingly, I would add, as a result of their handling. And by the way, just in case – I know we'll get to there in a bit, but the current director of the FBI has an interview airing today with his girlfriend about their love story and how they met on Katie Miller's podcast. Yes, I know it was probably filmed earlier, but I'm sorry, just not really what I think that the director of the FBI should ever be doing out there in public.

44:19I mean, it's disgusting. It's shocking. And I think that this does highlight just the sheer amount of incompetence within this bureau and law enforcement and how they continue to tell us how these are the best and the brightest. And we are watching a shooter who has now escaped justice for more than 48 hours. Brown University, a campus which has now reportedly been papered in 800 cameras, Crystal. Very few clear photographs of the person of a suspect that have been released yet to the public. Here is that specific question being posed to local officials last night at a news conference. Let's take a listen.

44:59Brown University is the most camera ridden, most responsive piece of real estate Rhode Island. And yet there seems to be little or no video evidence outside of that clip. You know, respecting the investigation, is there a lot more video that we're just not able to see yet because of the ongoing investigation? Or is there simply no video? So what we shared with you the other day is what we have that we could share. And then we'll continue again. We're continuing to collect evidence as we speak. we have detectives out there trying to continue to find. So I don't want to tell you that there's no more video because we might find something within the next few minutes.

45:35So yes, it's possible, but what we gave you the other day is what we have. We're giving you what we have. What we have is not very much right now. Let's go and put the VO up here, guys, please, on the screen just to show you some of the video that's been released. I mean, this is, I'm sorry, like I can't really see anything here about what's going on of this suspect who is leaving campus. It appears we do have, I think, a little bit more that has been released there from the FBI and some images, which we can put up here on the screen. Just a couple other images that were released here, a masked individual wearing a sweatshirt with a beanie.

46:13Kind of difficult to see any of the facial features, but honestly, the video, the images that were released in the aftermath of of Tyler Robinson, of the Charlie Kirk assassination, were much more clear and obviously led to his apprehension very quickly in the immediate aftermath. So there are some crazy questions here that are being asked here about the ability of launch. What is the purpose of all of these 800 cameras and of ring and of AI, crime detection, and all of that when we're days now after this shooting and there's still nothing yet been released? allegedly, remember, they have the most sophisticated technology for cell phones and for all of that.

46:53And ultimately, they've got nothing. I mean, we've got video coming out from the scene, Crystal, of them, you know, like canvassing of different buildings that are nearby. But it does not look in any way like they are close to apprehending a subject. We hope that they are. If you do see something, if you recognize that person, call the FBI, call local police. We hope that you do. And this person is brought to justice. But you can't help but just spotlight the failure of the FBI here. Two back to back, high profile cases, total failure. And to your point, I mean, if we're going to live in the Palantir mass surveillance state, the least we could get out of it is some like, you know, effective crime fighting here.

47:34Right. I think that's the bare minimum we could ask for. And look, they're probably going to find this guy. Probably there's someone out there who will see these images. And, you know, the like he's a kind of a girthy guy. They'll recognize the body type. They'll say, I've seen that guy, you know, with that particular fleece. Like this may trigger something for someone. That's what happened with Luigi Mangione. That's what happened with Tyler Robinson. So I think we will probably end up capturing this guy. But yeah, to be this many hours later and still have so little to go on. And then to go back to what Trump was saying there.

48:10First of all, it sounded like he was blaming like not even the local PD, like the campus security, like they're the ones who are supposed to be doing some like national or international manhunt preposterous. Second of all, the FBI was perfectly happy to wrap their arms around this and claim that this was all their victories when they thought that they had the killer in custody. And now that the whole thing is a shambles, suddenly, oh, it's the local PD's fault. Like just, I mean, it's just, it's just total incompetence, completely shambolic. How many times have we had these situations unfold or with the shooting of the National Guardsman in DC?

48:46Remember Cash came and said, oh, we have a suspect in custody. No, we're looking for the suspect. We're looking for the suspect. No, you actually have that one. That one you actually have. It's embarrassing. And then you couple on top of that. Apparently what he's spending his time doing is sitting down for this interview with Stephen Miller's wife to talk about his love life. Like what is going on? And, uh, you know, of course, cash's image already has been completely destroyed by his handling and being the public face of the Epstein files coverup. So just, you know, really covering himself in glory here.

49:17Yeah, look, again, the girlfriend interview. Can you imagine J. Edgar Hoover sitting down in the middle of, I don't know, the Kennedy's or the hunt for, who's the bank robber? John Dillinger. And he's like, let me tell you about my, well, I mean, secretly. I was going to say, there was a lot of interest in his love life, actually. I mean, maybe it was true. But just imagine him sitting down. Or Robert Mueller, right? Robert Mueller sitting down for an interview about his Catholic relationship or something. Or Christopher Wray. I mean, they ended up hating him, right? Can you imagine the way MAGA would have melted down if he was out there talking about it?

49:57Or is he married, like, about his love life and how he met his wife or whatever? It's not about MAGA. It's like, we should melt down. This is crazy. This is craziness. This is ridiculous. I can't live like this. And he's, of course, using all these public resources to fly around to her, like, singing at the wrestling event and whatever. And it's just unreal. And I do wonder, you know, I feel like every time Cash gets liberal press criticism, it helps to keep him in the job longer. I think you're right. But I have to think Trump is to the extent Trump cares about anything at this point. I have to think he's looking at this guy and going like, I don't know.

50:34I don't know. And you were saying, oh, I think we have this actually put B5 up on the screen. I guess Bongino is back to angsting over whether or not he's going to stay in his job. This is from Fox News. Deputy FBI Director Dan Bongino will decide about his future at the bureau in the next few weeks. He's already been sort of sidelined because I don't know if you guys remember. He already had one of these like, I'm going to just leave for the weekend. and decide what my future is going to be. So he's already been kind of like sidelined and sort of replaced by someone else in his position. Of course, he still technically has the job.

51:04So anyway, we're back to angsting about Dan Bongino and what his future path is going to look like. Look, I'm making fun of some of this, but this is not a joke, right? You know, two people lost their lives. Let's go to put B4 up here on the screen. You have two students. I mean, these kids were in the prime of their lives, 19, 20 years old. You have Ella Cook and I hope I say this correctly, Mohammed Aziz Umur Azakov, identified as the two killed in Brown University. Apparently, at least one of them, they were in a class. They weren't even necessarily supposed to be in. Just two students. They had big dreams.

51:41I think Ella, she was involved in Republican politics. Mohammed Aziz, he wanted to be a doctor. Look, this is Brown University. It's one of the toughest universities in the United States to get into. They really, you know, they were going places. At least that's what the people around them said. And that is why we're supposed to not have FBI directors who go on podcasts to talk about their love life. This is serious business. This is something that you've been entrusted by the public to take seriously and to do. We've given you extraordinary powers. You're supposed to work on our behalf. You're supposed to keep us safe.

52:14And when people perpetuate horrific crimes like this, you're supposed to catch them. You're supposed to catch them immediately. And it's not about tweeting out pictures about how great of a person of interest. It's about doing the job, bringing a prosecution, and bringing justice. Because there's a couple families out there who are broken. And so that's what I think makes me really sick about this entire thing is that this has consequences. And it's funny to laugh at the Girlfriend podcast and all of that and the clear obsession over public image and the damage that the Epstein file is handling and all of that has had.

52:46But it's just like the Epstein case. It's not just a case that we're talking about. These are little girls who were victimized, right, by wealthy, powerful people. And it was used potentially on behalf of state actors. But ultimately, they're the real victims, right? So yeah, I feel repulsed, honestly, about this because you've got these two families probably desperately checking the news, just want to know what happened. The worst possible thing just happened to them. And how many more who were injured, who are in the hospital right now? How many more psychologically traumatized? And meanwhile, you have, you know, an entire school community, an entire town that's like, am I safe here?

53:23There's a mass shooter who is still on the loose and they have no idea where this person is. And meanwhile, you know, the president of the United States is saying that's not really our problem. And Cash Patel is doing sit downs about his girlfriend and his love life. You just I mean, you just can't make it up. You cannot have influencers in like these positions of power. It's utterly, utterly insane. Welcome to the A building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. have both been assassinated. And Black America was at a breaking point. Rioting and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale.

54:01In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's alma mater, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in Black history, Martin Luther King Sr. and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people were dying. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should. And it will blow your mind. Listen to The A Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

55:12aka neuro-linguistic programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain. It's about engineering consciousness. Mind games is the story of NLP, its crazy cast of disciples, and the fake doctor who invented it at a new age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all? NLP might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose podcast.

55:53On a recent episode, I sat down with Nick Jonas, singer, songwriter, actor, and global superstar. The thing I would say to my younger self is, congratulations, you get to marry Priyanka Chopra Jonas. And also, you know, your daughter's incredible. That's beautiful, man. Yeah, thank you. That's so beautiful. I can see that got you a little... Yeah, for sure. Our daughter, she came to the world under sort of very intense circumstances, which I've not really talked about ever. Growing up on Disney in front of a million, how did that shape your sense of self? I went blank. I hit a bad note, then I couldn't recover.

56:33And I built up this idea that music and being a musician was my whole identity. I had to sort of relearn who I was if you took this thing away. Who am I? Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We also wanted to talk a little bit about some Republican response to the attack at Bondi Beach in Australia. Another just horrifying, absolute tragedy unfolding there. The number of victims, you know, people there to celebrate Hanukkah. Just absolutely horrific. and the response to that from some on the right has been just, I mean, I don't even know what to say.

57:16I can put this up on the screen. Tommy Tuberville, senator from Alabama, gave a whole floor speech about how, you know, Muslims are terrible and evil, just en masse, not, you know, individual people with radical ideology. No, all Muslims. He says, Islam is not a religion. It's a cult. Islamists are not here to assimilate. They're here to conquer. Stop worrying about offending the pearl clutchers. we've got to send them home now or it'll become the United Caliphate of America. We also have Vicky Palladino, who is a councilwoman. She represents Staten Island in New York. And she says, and keep in mind, New York, a city with millions of Muslims, including now the mayor-elect of the city.

57:57She says, we're in the midst of a global jihad, the likes of which the world has never seen and we cannot ignore it. We need to take very seriously the need to begin the expulsion of Muslims from Western nations, or at the very least, the severe sanction of them within Western borders. The administration needs to begin developing a formal legal framework for the denaturalization process and get it over with before we end up with another 9-11 or worse, enough is enough. Now, I do think that she ended up deleting that tweet. But then of course, we've got Randy Fine, who, you know, always covering himself in glory.

58:31So more just disgusting commentary from him. saying that, you know, all Muslims must go. Diversity is not our strength. And 9-11 wasn't enough. October 7th wasn't enough. Muslim immigrants are attacking and killing non-Muslims in America wasn't enough. So remember, Sagar, how Rashida Tlaib was censured for just saying, you know, in the context of like Palestinian liberation from the river to the sea, Palestine must be free. And she was censured by Congress. Now you have people who are out and out calling for the expulsion of all Muslims, whether they're immigrant or non, who are completely demonizing an entire religion.

59:15And there's very, very little pushback here. But the most important thing that I wanted to highlight so that people understand what's going on outside of just being thoroughly disgusted by this open bigotry and how much this is just accepted now in the Republican Party and in the mainstream is Ryan and Dropside covered how the Israelis had done a bunch of testing about like, OK, what do we do to get people back on our side? And the thing that they found was the most powerful was to stoke anti-Muslim hate, to stoke Islamophobia. And so this is a sort of desperate – I see it as a desperate and concerted strategy to try to get Republicans in particular back on board with Israel being our great ally.

1:00:00And, you know, oh, we've all got to like link arms and fight the bad Muslims together. That's what this is really at its core about. I mean, at this core, it's about hatred and bigotry and all of those things. But this is also sort of a desperate strategy to get people to stay in line with Israel being on our side and, you know, and us sharing the same enemies. So we've got to support them no matter what and give them whatever they want, no matter what. Right. I mean, by the way, you don't even just need drop. Shout out to Dropside. They didn't do anything wrong. But, you know, read the Charlie Kirk letter that he sent to Benjamin Netanyahu.

1:00:35It was released for everyone to see. He's like, you guys are losing support. The way to combat that is to demonize Islam. Charlie was doing a lot of that right before he died. I took notice of it. And because I know what's going on, you could see very clearly in what direction. And I've talked about this. It's interesting to me. They genuinely seem to believe that you are allowed to group in the actions of a few individuals and decide that that is representative of the entire ethnic religious faith and that thus, that will never backfire on you, even though that is literally the heart and soul of their cause that they've decided to fight with everything they have, anti-Semitism.

1:01:20I have no idea how you cannot think that openly normalizing this type of rhetoric and a framework of looking at the world is not going to come back and bite you in the ass. We talked about this during the whole Nick Fuentes, Piers Morgan thing, right? Nick is very honest, actually, about that worldview and how he can then apply it to Jewish Americans or to Jews more broadly. But they seem to think that you can have it both ways. You actually cannot if you're going to let this out in terms of Pandora's box. And that's honestly why I find so disgusting about it because, you know, you say it's about hatred and bigotry.

1:01:54It's like, you know, I don't even, I think they're so cynical that they're just willing to say anything, you know, to defend their pro-Israel cause. I'm not even sure if they really believe this stuff. It's really just all about - I think Randy Fine probably does. Randy probably does. Tommy Tuberville, many of the other so-called influencers and others are just looking at the memo of this. Yeah, I don't think so. And I mean, look, I'll happily talk culture with anybody any time of the week, but I can't sit here and then pretend, you know, because I can't sit here when I know that this is in the service of a support of a country which has a right to rape protest.

1:02:33I can't, right? Because I'm like, you guys literally had protests about the right to rape. You have openly a government which wants to – celebrates the murder of women and of children and of max expulsion of a population. There is no moral equivalence or there is no – sorry. There is no like moral superiority that if anything right now, right, things are trending a little bit in the other direction in terms of who has power and who actualizes it, let's say, on the world stage. So I don't know. I mean that's my personal view of this. and I do just think it's really gross how cynical and how open it is out there.

1:03:12And ultimately, for Jewish Americans, I think this is just the worst thing that you can do. I really do. It's like, if you guys wanna engage in this, you are not going to win. People are going to start thinking explicitly in ethno-religious terms. And they talk, noticing is something that's like a meme, right, out there. They apply that to Muslims. I'm like, okay, fine then. You guys really want to, quote, notice about support for Israel and about lobbying and about pushing certain agendas when you're in power. It's just not going to work out for you. I choose to look at the world in terms of individuals.

1:03:49I think it should too. And allegedly that's a promise of America, but they don't want that. And yeah, I think this is a catastrophic mistake for the Jewish community and for Jewish Americans. But, you know, that's what they've decided to push at the very least, the pro-Israel part, a contingent, let's say. And yeah, I think they're gonna rue the day that they wanted to normalize this type of rhetoric. I keep thinking back to Laura Loomer, who, you know, describes herself as proud Islamophobe and certainly backs that up in all sorts of ways, going back and forth with someone on Twitter. And she says to them, you're a Muslim, and they come back with, you're a Jew.

1:04:34And basically the, you know, and so basically what the Zionists, like the right wing pro-Israel supporters and, you know, Israeli officials themselves are hoping is that they can win that debate. That they can come out on top and convince people that it is worse to be a Muslim than it is to be a Jew. But buying into, because I mean Israel is, it is an ethnos nationalist, Jewish supremacist state. That is the bedrock political ideology undergirding the entire project. That's why you have apartheid. That's why you have ethnic cleansing. That's why you have all these concerns about the demographics and that as some existential threat.

1:05:12So that is their view. They have a fundamentally ethno-nationalist and ethnocentric racialist view. And so their bet is we can convince at least the American right. I think they've given up on the left, but we can at least convince the American right that the Muslims are worse than the Jews. And therefore, you got to stick with us. That's the bet they're making. Good luck. Good luck with that. Good luck with embracing an overtly racialist, identitarian worldview and not thinking that that is ultimately going to come for Jewish people. I think it's a horror. And I mean, we've seen throughout history, like what the, you know, what people reach for, like the old horrors that people reach for with regard to Jewish people when you have these overtly racialist identitarian projects.

1:06:01So in any case, that's that's what's going on with the Republicans. And I do want to say, too, you know, for all these media figures, Jake Tapper and Dana Bash and whoever else who had absolute multi day meltdowns over Rashida Tlaib embracing equal rights from everyone and, you know, doing rally chants and now have very little to say about Randy Fine and Tommy Tuberville and Vicky Palladino. Like, we see you. We see you. We see what's going on here. Interesting. Yeah. I mean, look, there was a core project about rejecting identity politics, right, throughout the entire last decade. And I think a lot of people, good faith, believe that.

1:06:41I certainly did. Me too. Yeah. I was like, wow, this is really horrible. Like, this is bad. It's leading. You might not have seen this. We may want to cover it on Thursday. There's a viral essay in a magazine, Compact, which Juan writes for. And it's about this explicit regime within a lot of elite companies over the last decade or so, 15 years, where they decided to explicitly say let's not hire millennial young white men. The essay has gone very viral. It's actually very selective and interesting because, like, boomer white men got to keep their jobs, but it was much more directed. But like you look at how much rage that can inspire, I think, not only the people who were discriminated, let's say, against themselves, but to what mindset and what ends that that can bring.

1:07:29And these people seem to just think that they're going to win this like immediate term war where they're just going to convince people that only Muslims, let's say, are dangerous, look out for their own agenda and have dual loyalties or anything. Again, OK. I mean, you cannot put that cat back in the bag, period, whenever it becomes an outright view of explicitly looking at things like in terms – I mean, I saw recently – I forget exactly who it was. It was like, what's wrong with the whites-only immigration policy? I was like, OK. I know. It's one of those where then you cannot complain then. It was Matt Walsh.

1:08:12Oh, was it? OK. Oh, complaining about how Australia had a whites-only immigration policy and that it's a shame that they got – and they got rid of it because they didn't want to appear racist. No, that is actually racist and that they should go back to it. So let's then – let's do to the logic. So if you lose then and you're an opponent and you lose and an opposing government decides to make an overtly racial view of immigration, how can you complain? How can you possibly complain and say, yeah, we are going to, right? What are you going to do about it? We beat you. We've decided to go in a different direction.

1:08:44You can't bitch and complain about that. You can't. By the way, Australia had, you know, I'm not a great fan of Australia. I think the way they handled COVID was a disaster, et cetera. I had my disagreements with the government, all of that. I think they're one of the best immigration systems in the world. They have one of the high merit-based immigration for a long period of time. Significant amounts of a similar. If our country looked more like Australia, I'd be a hell of a lot happy. But, of course, there's like this. They're like, well, it's just not. I'm like, well, okay. If that's the world that you guys all want to live in, well, then don't be surprised when that also just be not just used against you.

1:09:19They talk about white genocide or anything like that. It's like, yeah, but people might just end up embracing that fully. And you can't complain because the entire theory, let's say, around merit-based immigration or any of that was we evaluate people as individuals. and Australia explicitly said we value people as individuals and their ability to contribute to our nation, to our culture, and to make us better. And that's actually why they've had more of a successful immigration story than any Western country in the world. And that's why when I saw that, I was shocked by it. Because, you know, first of all, extrapolating a single incident is always a little bit ridiculous.

1:09:57You're supposed to look at things in the aggregate and more broadly. And listen, it's up to Australians to make their own decisions. It's not my country. You guys do as you would like. purely as an outside observer, though. Anytime you start to make overtly racial arguments, I just think, you know, first of all, don't be surprised when it's used against you. And second, you need to consider the 30th, 40th, 50th order consequences of what all of that is going to look like. And I don't think that they are. I think that they just have no idea what they're playing with. It's also just like a LARP and a fucking fantasy.

1:10:28Like, we live in a multi-ethnic country and that just is, and it is a bedrock part of what America is, that it's not this like blood and soil project. It is a created thing. Like we came here, we colonized it, we created it based on these certain ideals, which we have never fully lived up to, but that is what it is. And I was thinking about this, Sarah, like you're from Texas. Texas is a majority minority state. Does it feel like it's not American? Does it feel like it's been destroyed? In fact, it still votes very conservatively and the populations that are there are very integrated into American society et cetera.

1:11:05I just, you know, it's disgusting and it's cruel and it leads to horrific things. So I don't want to downplay it. But I also want to say like, you're not getting your, you know, whites only country. That's it's not happening. You're not getting your repeal the 19th amendment because we don't like the way the women are voting. It's not happening. It's childish to pretend that this is like a real outcome that you're going to be able to effectuate. So in any case. A long way of saying. I'm looking at Texas. I didn't realize actually that it has fully flipped. So it's 40 % Latino, 40 % non-Hispanic white, such a funny term, 12 % black and five to 6 % Asian, 1 % Native American, and then 3%.

1:11:49It was like 60 % minority. I remember, you know, I was growing up there. Yeah. I knew a lot of guys who were, but, but see, that's kind of my point is that looking at things overtly racially is gross. Like that's not the point actually about it at all. And that's fine. People want to do that. Again, I don't think it's going to work out for you, and I don't think it's necessarily correct. It's also just the way that you try to back-engineer greatness and, let's say, officially tied, let's say, to racialism is not one, which, first of all, like you just said, you're going to get the outcomes that you want explicitly because a lot of it is just like LARPing, but two, also really ignores, I mean, we were talking about this, remember of the Fuentes Pierce thing.

1:12:32I'm like, yeah, it would be insane to go back and to tell real heritage Americans that some of the vanguard of their cause would be Italian Catholics. That would be unthinkable, literally unthinkable. They would be like, first of all, that person's not white and they're godless. That's how they used to think about it. In fact, I would remind everyone when real heritage Americans got the chance to enforce immigration policy and to vote in an election. They explicitly rejected a guy named Al Smith because he was a Catholic. And there were cartoons about Romanism across the entire country. And they shut down immigration for like 45 years because they were sick of a bunch of, in their words, non-white Irish and Italians and Slovenians coming into the country and dirtying it up.

1:13:16That's what they thought about that. So I'm like, I mean, it's just ridiculous to see people who are the descendants of those people then To claim, you know, it's fine. Look, you can say your ancestors have been here long. That's fine. You can say that, you know, longer than me. I don't necessarily think caste and bloodlines should be one that we should determine our tier in society. In fact, I'm sorry I'm going long, but I feel strongly about this because my family is from a culture of India, right? And Indian culture is heavily, they don't want to admit it, but it's true, is heavily caste-based, which is not something that you can control.

1:13:53The most old world bullshit in the world is the idea that because of who your grandfather was or what you were born into should determine the fate of your entire life, right? That's almost an explicitly Western and American thing, which we say you leave that behind, you come here and you embrace a certain set of ideals. I think that's great, you know? I really do. If anything, a lot of my criticism of some of the Indians here now currently is that they're not leaving a lot of that bullshit behind and I think that they should. But yeah, I just, you know, to see it renormalized more recently in an American context, which I have, you know, it's like, oh, my family's been here for four generations.

1:14:32I think that's phenomenal. I have a great veneration for all of our history. And, you know, venerating that is fine. But, you know, then to tear in terms of what that means explicitly for, like, who counts or not, you're like, hmm. Well, and especially when we're talking about only citizens here, not even just people who are – not when we're talking about non-citizens. We're talking about people who are explicit citizens of the United States of America. Yeah, I mean that just seems to me – people, these are the biggest critics of third worldism. That's the most third world bullshit that you can ever do.

1:15:08It really is. Great point. Great fucking point. And I tell you this as someone whose parents are from the third world. When I go over there and you see the cast, oh my god, it drives me nuts. nuts when people talk about caste and who's marrying who and, oh, that's violated. Oh, my God. It repulses me. Repulses me. And so that's the last thing that we need over here. It's very antiquated old world ideology, which, but again, doesn't breed. White nationalists love to talk about India's failed problems. I blame that. That's a big part of the reason why is the explicit class culture. Same in the UK.

1:15:43They have huge class problems about ascendancy and the ability to do it. Let's leave it all behind, people. But that's just one man's vision of the world. Yeah, I was thinking, I responded, I was kind of trolling. But I mean, I meant what I said, but I was also kind of being intentionally provocative on Twitter. Someone shared this like, oh, whites were 80 % in 1920 and are this percent now and blah, blah, blah. And I was thinking about that. I was like, what does that even mean? Because the definition of white is not even the same over those years. Absolutely, very true. Like in my own household in 1920, I am literally the only person in my household that would be considered white.

1:16:17So like so much of this is just meaningless garbage anyway. But in any case, obviously it has, yeah, like Stephen Miller who's leading a bunch of this bullshit. Like when his family came over here, they were not considered white as they were, you know, Jewish refugees from what is now Belarus. And yet you think that, you know, this should be some blood and soil white ethno-nationalist you're leading this whites-only refugee policy anyway. I find it disgusting. I find it counterproductive. I find it fundamentally anti-American. And I also think that it is a project to doom, doom to fail. And these people have convinced themselves that the American people agree with them.

1:16:53And I think that that is wrong. In fact, I think to your point, Sagar, what we saw in the backlash to woke and the identitarian excesses of the left is proof that the American people really do believe in like aspiring to that colorblind vision at core. They like that idea and that concept of America. Yeah, I mean, if anything, overtly kind of embracing any of this is the worst possible argument you could ever make about at least, again, just one man's opinion. But I've taken a look at a lot of the polling and I've thought a lot about what went wrong with the immigration agenda here of the Trump administration.

1:17:32And I do genuinely think that so many people thought about a universalist language of control about their border and about a very idea of we need to know who's in our country. It does seem unfair. Again, in my opinion, you can disagree that people get to come here illegally and just work and just decide that they get to stay here. I think that's wrong. I think a lot of people agreed with that. However, however, and this is what people don't seem to understand. And when you enact it in a way which has been described as performative cruelty, which probably hits it a little bit on the nose, but when you also pair it, let's say, with racial language, which is now increasingly popular, not just from the government necessarily, but from a lot of the commentary, and it becomes to be viewed as that way, that is not the same as the universalist kind of idea of control, which led many Latino Americans, Asian Americans.

1:18:28Americans, you know, this is one of the most non-white Republican coalitions in American history, which I think Libs should sit with, right, about what that means also, about who can and coming with that. But it can also be something that falls apart whenever it's enacted or at least viewed necessarily in this way. So I know we went very off track, and I'm sorry. But I do think it's important. I do think it's important for people to kind of understand the broader motivations about all this topic of Islam. and I'm not some big defender of Islamic culture. I don't want it, don't like it, had lived underneath it, hated it.

1:19:04But I'm also not a dupe to see what this exactly, this is being used for right now. And that's why I would say everybody's eyes should be a little bit open right now.

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