12/29/25: Saagar Reviews REEFER MADNESS 'Most Important Film of the Century"

26:38We'll get there. A lot of people are about to go crazy like any good horror or zombie film. Yes. Welcome to the A-Building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. had both been assassinated, and Black America was at a breaking point. Writing and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's alma mater, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in Black history, Martin Luther King Sr. and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution, I mean, people were dying.

27:191968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should. And it will blow your mind. Listen to The A-Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

28:01I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. NLP, aka Neuro Linguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain. It's about engineering consciousness. Mind Games is the story of NLP. It's crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it at a New Age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all? NLP might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

28:48Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose podcast. On a recent episode, I sat down with Nick Jonas, singer, songwriter, actor, and global superstar. The thing I would say to my younger self is congratulations, you get to marry Priyanka Chopra Jonas. And also, you know, your daughter's incredible. That's beautiful, man. Yeah, thank you. That's so beautiful. I can see that got you a little... Yeah, for sure. Our daughter, she came to the world under sort of very intense circumstances, which I had not really talked about ever. Growing up on Disney in front of a million, how did that shape your sense of self?

29:28I went blank. I hit a bad note, then I couldn't kind of recover. And I built up this idea that music and being a musician was my whole identity. I had to sort of relearn who I was if you took this thing away. Who am I? Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, so you said there's these guys that are kind of these like creepy drug dealers. I'll pull them up again. On the left here is Jack, who's like the adult drug dealer. And on the right is Ralph, who's kind of like the bad kid ensnare. And you know, not only is this film, you know, worrying about weed, but it's warning about people like Ralph who are college dropouts that still hang out with the high school kids.

30:12You got to stay away from those guys. Those guys are bad news. OK. And I 100 percent agree with the filmmakers on that. They're not good. So they go to the they take the kids back to this jazz flop house or what have you. People are like having fun. And and oh, this might actually be like a restaurant or something. Yeah, that was it was like a restaurant. Yeah, they're trying to like ensnare the kids and like bring them back to their apartment. And then, you know, eventually it takes a while. But I noted here 1340. It takes 14 minutes almost for the first weed to be presented on screen. And it's from the piano man at at this restaurant.

30:53And and he is he's he's making him it makes him wild. But he doesn't he doesn't kill anyone or anything. He just like he just has a good time and is kind of starts just shaking and kind of like sneaking it. So that's that's our first instance of weed. Right. That's our very first view of weed here in the film. What it does capture is the long fetishization of musicians of marijuana and how they're always claiming that it makes them better at music. And so, in fact, this is one of two piano weed sequences that we will see here in the film in which it seems to enhance their musical performance. So I would say that's a trope.

31:38Yeah, that's a trope that carries through the film. Yes. Something like almost as if like it's the devil's siren call or music that's pulling them in. So this is where we're starting to see people smoke for the first time. And it takes kind of a long lingering time of them like trying to ensnare these teenagers. We get a little bit more here of this of the piano man just kind of tweaking out. And then we get our first kind of like time in cross cut scene where we have both are both are good boys. Bill and Jimmy are in different areas and about to both smoke weed for the first time. Yes. Now, Bill smokes weed and like ends up like making out with a girl and then they just kind of have fun and dance around.

32:26And it seems OK with Jimmy. Jimmy is at in his car and he asks Jack, the drug dealer for a cigarette. And Jack gives him a marijuana cigarette and it makes him high. And then what happens after that? It's a very unfortunate. And in fact, one of the most important messages of the film, high driving kills, high driving kills. And what unfortunately happens is that he drives away, he loses control of his faculties, and he unfortunately ends up killing a pedestrian, which is one of the dangers that we have right now.

33:09My God.

33:25Wow. Tragic. Tragic. Tragic. Very, very tragic. Little did they know. Little did they know the horrors that we would live to see in the year 2025. Actually, Griffin, yeah, because I want to put up some of the stuff about the film, that's correct. I have in the links that I sent you about deadly driving. Can you put my tweet up there on the screen just so we can show all of you? Unfortunately, not nearly enough data is released because they don't want us to know the truth. Everybody talks about drunk driving. That's great. There's nothing wrong with warning about drunk driving. But as you guys can see there, new study out of I think it was the state of Michigan showed that 40 percent of drivers who died in motor vehicle collisions tested positive for THC in their system.

34:15And the average blood levels for exceeding those were considered to cause impairment. Now, a lot of people have said, oh, they could have smoked in the last 30 days. Those people lack reading comprehension, including amounts that could have caused impairment. Nearly 40 percent of the people who died in a mortar vehicle crash. Now, 40 percent of people dying with a level of THC in their blood that could cause impairment. that fundamentally is one of the core, one of the core claims of this movie is that it impairs your judgment, that it makes you go crazy, that it causes violence, specifically can also cause violence and impairment that will harm others.

34:57And that was the first instance, I think that we see, you can correct me if I'm wrong, of a death related to marijuana on screen, which again, you know, This became ridiculed in later years. But as I just showed you all from the data, unambiguously a correct claim. And so that was the first of many horrors that we would live to see. I agree and disagree with you on this point, because I think that it is true that people are smoking more weed and driving and becoming worse drivers. But in the movie, it makes him speed up. Weed drivers are slowing down. I think that's a meme. I think that's a meme.

35:35They're in the left-hand lane, like in the fast lane, going like 50 in the 65. But they're still getting crashes and doing bad turns. They're still doing bad driving. And I hear him in L.A. I'm actually Waymo-pilled now. I think people are so bad at driving, they've lost the privilege. There should be no more driving allowed. Should just be Waymo's because everyone's on their phone or high. uh and and i'm sorry but i i'm losing too much of my personal life to to poor driving out here that's fair i mean look at the very least they may not they may have showed it incorrectly by going too fast but their core claim that it will cause death especially behind a motor vehicle is correct it was absolutely correct and i wish they presented it as because because he's secretly drugged i think the the sin here is you shouldn't drug someone before they drive like unknowingly and it's like this happens multiple times in the film where someone asks for a normal cigarette and then they're drugged with a marijuana cigarette which i think was also like a big fear they were trying to push at the time um you got to really check your cigs um so that that happens the hidden run happens um and then uh jimmy uh kind of has his first moment of like being dementedly high a week when we cut back to him um i've got it right here it's uh at the time code 26 minutes but the the film starts to have these ghastly uh demented faces when people are high to to to kind of show their transformation um oh wait sorry this is jimmy coming home so jimmy's coming home and he's paranoid because he just hit someone and he's kind of high and mary the the sister the angelic innocence is worried about him and can tell something's wrong.

37:24So then we're treated back to our Dr. Carol here, who returns again in the middle of the film. And he is talking to someone else about the horrors, horrors of marijuana, essentially. There's a few different horror stories. And he mentions one woman who was caught having sex with five men. That's essentially this scene. Any thoughts there? This will be one of the few. So I did look. Do you have a link for that? I did look at whether it causes sexual. Yeah, play it. Play it. All right. All right. Let me show you something. In 1930, the records on marijuana in the Washington office of the narcotics division scarcely filled a small folder like this.

38:13Okay, this part's good, too. Today, they filled cabinets. Yep, look at the cabinets. He's got cabinets of weed crimes. I mean, it's shocking. It's absolutely shocking. It used to be a folder. A folder devoted to marijuana records. The system is overrun, overwhelmed. A 16-year-old lad apprehended in the act of staging a holdup. 16 years old and a marijuana addict. Here is the most tragic case. Yes, I remember. Just a young boy. Under the influence of the drug, he killed his entire family with an ex. then there is the most vicious type of case here in michigan a young girl 17 years old a reaper smoker taken in a raid in the company with five young men here is a particularly flagrant case yes i remember the newspapers ah yes of course i'm a real head dr carew's a real head he's seen every one of these stories uh look um that was the one of the few claims in the movie that was not correct.

39:16It does not cause sexual primacy, which is obviously was a moral panic, I guess, at the time. But the axe murderer one that tracks that tracks going crazy and killing your entire family. That's definitely something which marijuana induced psychosis and violence is particularly causing a violent schizophrenic break. It's exactly something that could happen. And we've seen certain instances of that already here in the year in the 2020s, especially post legalization. But yes, I will admit that one thing that the film does seem very obsessed with sex, Griffin. And I think that was the Christian funding.

39:53And also because that was obviously was something that they were trying to hammer home at the time. The history that we learned about the film, too, about how they were trying to play it in the exploitation houses and others as kind of a draw for titillation almost, you know, for at the time. I did think at a few instances, I'm like, this is kind of a risque film for 1936. You know, I've seen what I'm trying to think. There's that film, The Best Years of Our Lives for 1946. That's probably the oldest movie I've seen that I actually really love. And I do remember thinking, I'm like, oh, well, you know, it's very conservative, even though there were a few scenes even in that.

40:33But this was a much more risque film, and this was made 10 years earlier than that one. But it does make sense, given the Christian funding and eventually how it ended up playing in some of these places, not just for titillation, but for entertainment. So it did kind of make sense in that way. The film is obsessed with sex in a very weird way. I think a lot of that is rooted back to, and again, something that this film doesn't really take a swing on. Like I thought this film was going to be a lot more racist because ultimately like a lot of the, a lot of the anti, well, I mean, and that is kind of racist in its own sense, but like the, the anti-marijuana stuff in the early days was like, don't let your like white daughter smoke weed with black or Mexican guys.

41:18Cause they're going to be loose with them. It's like a pretty popular. Was that? Yeah. You never heard that before? No. Yeah. I, I, I, I think that's the example. We grew up in Texas. Like 40 % of the people around us were, were Latino. You know, right. And I don't imagine your parents telling you that. But but I but that is that is a trope. And there was also this, if I'm not mistaken, them putting the H in and changing from marijuana to marijuana was some sort of attempt to make it sound Mexican or Spanish. Really? Because there was a large attempt to associate marijuana as all coming from Mexico.

41:57and that well to be fair at that time that was true all right so that majority actually was coming from mexico so they were trying to connect even just the actual phrase the wordology of it to mexico in those senses and i and i have heard about the other stuff the sex stuff but again this film doesn't really take a ton of swings in in that in that uh racial direction that you're gonna impurify your white daughters or what have you um so then we get to uh after this dr carol enters the plot and sits down Bill because he's worried about Bill. I had to say, I wrote down in my notes here, I was like, I kind of got some respect for Dr.

42:35Carroll after this scene. I agree. He's looking out for his pupils. He's looking out for his pupils and he says the right things here. Oh, Bill. There seems to be something wrong. What is it? You were always a fine student. You always had excellent grades. Well, I guess the work is getting a little harder, Dr. Carroll. No. No, it isn't that. Bill, I'd like to help you. But of course I can't unless you let me. You're undermining your health. Well, there's nothing, Dr. Carroll. Really, there isn't. I'll study harder. Honest. Honest. If you were being honest with me and honest with yourself, I'm afraid you'd tell me an entirely different story.

43:21Bill, I'm going to ask you a straightforward question. And I'd like to have a straightforward answer. Yes, sir. Isn't it true that you have, perhaps unwillingly, acquired a certain harmful habit through association with certain undesirable people?

43:41Well? Oh, no, sir, I haven't, Dr. Carroll. Well, that is, you... You see, I'm worried about something at home. All right, my boy. We'll just have to let it go at that. But remember, if you ever want to confide in me, no one will ever be the wise. See, that was really nice. It was nice. It was sweet. That's great. He's been a great adult role model figure in his life. He's trying to be honest with him, and he says, you can come clean. And then he has a lot of grace and says, you know what? My door is always open to you. Yeah, I think that, look, it captures again, it captures marijuana behavior correctly.

44:21Griffin, you and I, at the very least, you'll admit this. We all know a guy who was normal, started smoking weed. We became his entire personality or a girl, whatever. It's just definitely both genders. And and they just, you know, they completely drop. They become demotivated, lazy. All the tropes are true. you know sitting around running around with an old with a bad crowd right I mean that's ultimately what happens to our hero to Bill who was on and it can be that with any addiction I think that I feel just as bad for Disney adults Disneyland 15 times a year you know my I agree honestly it could be even more expensive it could be even more expensive it's sick and I'm ready to reschedule the drug of Disney I'd be right there with you, brother.

45:11I'm fine with that. We keep moving on, and now we're getting to another famous meme moment. Bill doesn't take Dr. Carroll's advice, goes back to the flop house, and we get some of our big first demented smoking weed, and they're having sex. Yeah, it's crazy. Everything's getting wild, and then we've got his crazy laugh. I think he does a crazy laugh here.

45:41okay this is the this is the this is the shot yeah

45:48it's almost a pain's laugh it's demented it's a tough laugh yeah it looks like he's in pain but he is getting laid he's getting chicks so it's kind of you're kind of torn you're like he's getting chicks but uh it seems like he's in physical pain and then we get another meme moment here uh another famous moment i wrote uh with ralph in the chair and the piano here so they're playing the piano it seems like they're on crack uh and then here's he going he's paranoid in the chair just blasting um it's tragic it's tragic yeah uh now have you witnessed these behaviors from someone smoking weed soccer i mean griffin uh i i unfortunately am in the era where i just had to witness a bunch of men playing FIFA all the time.

46:38But, you know, I could imagine. That's even sicker. That's more than that. By the way, way worse. Way worse. Way worse. I would have much rather been enthralled by piano dancers. The Flophouse. The Flophouse. But look, I mean, what it captures, this part of the film, which again, it's obsessed with sexual promiscuity. This is a setup for impairment for sin, which will lead to our first tragic death or a second tragic death and a marijuana induced violent death, unfortunately, and which ensnares our beautiful. How did you call our Eve character? Yes. And our unwashed, our like untainted character, innocent lamb who is killed in an unfortunate marijuana related accident.

47:35so this i i'm gonna i'm gonna skip forward to that scene uh because it's crazy and there's a lot to break down but essentially it's a crazy scene essentially all of the kids are at this uh party now all of the everybody's there and ralph is uh very clearly flirting with the innocent Mary here. And once again, when someone asks Mary, asked for a cigarette and she's handed a marijuana cigarette instead and doesn't know it's weed. So once again, like I think it's like, yeah, it's bad. It's bad to drug people. It's bad to secretly drug bad to drug people. And I almost do drugs. I almost wish the characters chose to smoke weed as as opposed to being secretly drug again, though, that that is a metaphor for the marijuana industry, for the industry, which is constantly pushing this stuff on you.

48:27All of the advertisement, all of the, you know, my wife and I, we watched Knocked Up recently. Great film. Great film. Love the film. But the weed propaganda is unbelievable, just like the stoner worship. And it's shocking to think like people, we were all just taking that in, in 07. Pineapple Express. Yeah, Pineapple Express. Oh, just look at these chill, hilarious, fun stoners. Nothing ever goes wrong in their life. By the way, if you watch it, it's a very subversive pop film if you're looking for it. I actually think that's one of the most anti weed and pro life films ever made, like by far.

49:08Next holiday season. It's shocking. It's shocking to watch it. It's actually wow. I think it has been almost 20 years since that movie came out. It was it was an 07. But what does she immediately do? This is a huge pivot to Knocked Up. She's like, you need to stop smoking weed. He had to stop smoking weed to become a father, to become a good companion, to grow up. And so but anyways, the point of it around this is about the propaganda kind of that surrounds convincing you that smoking weed is cool. And that is what both that film and this film kind of combined together. So it's a string of nearly 70 years that you could see.

49:50Wow. From Reefer Madness to Knocked Up, spiritual sequel. So, okay, we got to break down this scene. I don't want to show a lot of the imagery, but essentially what happens is Ralph starts to trick Mary into smoking weed. Mary gets high, and then Ralph begins to sexually assault her. Like violently, too. Like out of nowhere. Yeah, like truly, it's crazy. He's like fighting her. And then it gets even crazier because Bill comes out and and Bill comes out. Bill comes out after that. And Bill misinterprets the sexual assault as consensual because he's so high, which is like a crazy extra layer. I didn't think I needed for the moment.

50:35But so he's misinterpreting it as consensual, but he still breaks it up because he's jealous. Exactly. And he's like, get off of her. Even though he just cheated on her with Blanche, who is not been Blanche's as right. Oh, my God. I didn't think about that. Yeah, I know. I mean, that is the very 1930s of it all is that even though he just cheated on her, he's very upset that she's cheating. Well, he thinks that she's cheating on him, even though she is being like violently sexually assaulted. But it leads to one of the climaxes here of our film. Yeah, he's he's honestly like his him having sex with Blanche is kind of like how in Midsommar the boyfriend gets drugged.

51:13and everything it's it's great it's kind of like midsummer it is without that i didn't think of that you're absolutely right so he pulls ralph off of uh off of mary after misinterpreting as consensual then jack comes in to break up this fight that's going down brings out his gun hits uh hits him over the over the head here let's take a watch wow now i have to say here on the cinema angle i did right here why didn't they have any music for any of these action scenes great call you're totally right there's just no music here and you can really feel it let's take a listen oh my god no it's mary that pan shot that killed me when i saw that i was like oh my god when that happened i i they got me i was shocked i was totally shocked uh when she was killed so she was tragically killed in this uh in this scuffle when he pulls out the gun and so yeah we had i mean a violent sexual assault uh just lead to a misunderstanding lead to a murder all within a minute and a half and uh yeah it just shows you how how So things can quickly spiral out of control when you're on weed.

52:36And again, I would say that I think the part that there that is the most connected in the film is somehow that he smoked weed and then became kind of rapey. I think that part's connected. But again, I think the murder has to do with the fact that they are in an illegal storefront for weed, whereas people smoke weed everywhere now. It doesn't like this could lead to this leads to violence out in public as well as in private. But because of its illegality, they're resorted to being around unsavory characters that have guns and can kill them. And so I think that the murder is related to independent drug dealing, which is what happens when it's illegal.

53:13So that all happens. And then it's about to get way crazier because now Jack is going to try to frame our protagonist, Bill, for the murder. And Bill is so high, he thinks he killed Mary. marijuana induced psychosis yes forgetful memory so he like pours some water on him and basically is like you kill her

53:44and he totally buys it very tragic what happened you killed her you killed her oh okay

54:01All right. So now they have framed poor Bill and there is this whole long thing with this trial. During this court trial, Dr. Carroll shows up and rats on Bill. Yes. And all of my goodwill that Dr. Carroll had earned in the past scene where he said, you can come to me. You can tell me anything. He breaks his doctor's oath. of confidentiality and rats bill out in court for being addicted. Mary was killed. He didn't know he was protecting her legacy. He had to speak up. He saw the evil drug had rot. This woman of an innocent life was taken and he had to speak up for her. And he did. He didn't know what he was doing was wrong.

54:49I think Dr. Carroll did the right thing. OK, wow. That's a good T-shirt. so now there's a lot of drama there's some jury stuff it's all kind of boring at this point it was a bad stretch of the movie the trial didn't make a lot of sense especially the jury part where they have this part we won't bore you with it but there was a reluctant juror and it wasn't really explained why it's like 12 angry men in like 15 seconds yeah exactly it was just a bad part of the story it didn't fit and he ends up caving and voting anyways. So anyway, yeah, we get through the trial where Dr. Carroll reveals Bill's marijuana use and kind of his distrust.

55:35But then that takes us back to our unsavory characters who are continuing up their shenanigans. Yes. And we're about to get to that. I did have one question for you in the jury scene, Sagar. Did you notice the noose imagery in the jury scene? I did not. Okay. I'm going to play it for you right here. But here's what happens. They're talking in the jury scene. And then there's this hanger for a light, like a pull down string light here. And it turns into a news.

56:05oh wow you see that yeah i did it's it's the most that's creepy it's creepy isn't it that is creepy It's the most like avant-garde moment in the film. Yeah. And I was struck by it. I was struck by it deeply. You know, I noticed it, but it didn't even stick. Like I wasn't like, oh, yeah, that's it. But it makes sense. Makes sense. Well, I think it shows you the stakes of the jury decision there of finding him guilty, which they were going to hang him. They're going to hang him when they do find him guilty. Welcome to the A-Building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr.

56:48have both been assassinated, and Black America is at a breaking point. Writing and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's alma mater, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in Black history, Martin Luther King Sr. and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution, I mean, people were dying. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should.

57:31And it will blow your mind. Listen to The A-Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. NLP, aka Neuro Linguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology.

58:12Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain. It's about engineering consciousness. Mind Games is the story of NLP. It's crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it at a New Age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all? NLP might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose podcast. On a recent episode, I sat down with Nick Jonas, singer, songwriter, actor, and global superstar.

58:53The thing I would say to my younger self is congratulations, you get to marry Priyanka Chopra Jonas. And also, you know, your daughter's incredible. That's beautiful, man. Yeah, thank you. That's so beautiful. I can see that got you a little... Yeah, for sure. Our daughter, she came to the world under sort of very intense circumstances, which I've not really talked about ever. Growing up on Disney in front of a million, how did that shape your sense of self? I went blank. I hit a bad note, then I couldn't kind of recover. And I built up this idea that music and being a musician was my whole identity.

59:32I had to sort of relearn who I was if you took this thing away. Who am I? Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, so now we're getting to like the dark night of the soul part of the film here. Essentially, you know, the bad kids, Ralph and Blanche, are still hanging out at the flop house. They're worried that they're going to get called into court or what have you. And the drug dealer, Jack, is talking to his boss and his boss essentially is saying, hey, why don't you silence and kill all these kids so that no one can can talk in court?

1:00:15Is that essentially what happened? Yeah, that's a good good. Yeah. So, again, I wrote no music in these scenes, which is weird. But there's also two iconic moments here that are constantly referenced. There is this more demented paranoia. Ralph is really losing his mind here, as we can see. I've got to see Jack. What can't let that kid hang? they they do more piano and this is the famous piano scene yeah this is a while he goes he goes faster faster uh which again not something you typically hear a stoner uh say like again now listen i've been psychosis hits people in different ways yeah i just from my own experiences this reminds me of some some more cocaine related uh incidents

1:01:27now that is probably one of the most iconic images in uh in the history like one of the memes that you see is this guy so high covering his face freaking the fuck out you'll just see that all over the place yes all over the internet he's grabbing his face he can't he can't he doesn't even know what's going on anymore um and then of course we get to the drug dealers who are coming in it gets really it gets really convoluted so we're not going to hit every moment of it but the drug dealers come in they try to silence ralph and then ralph ends up beating uh one of the drug dealers to death with a stick yes he beats jack to death with a stick um which is like a moment of karmic justice because Jack was actually the person who shot Mary and Ralph wanted to rat Jack out and didn't want Bill ultimately to swing.

1:02:15But it was pretty violent. Like it was a violent death that he beats him there on the camera. And it tries to find redemption ultimately with what's her name? Is it May with May? The police all bust in after the death and May decides to tell the police that actually bill did not kill mary that it was jack and she has a tearful kind of moment where she confesses the truth but then as she's consumed by her own guilt play the moment yeah we'll play the moment all right uh she's consumed by her own guilt and begins walking down a hallway in probably one of the most famous scenes in cinema history let's take a watch

1:03:21the good times are flashing by

1:03:31just going through the whole film again

1:03:41i think it's pretty beautifully shot yeah the window and just how how we get to that window is crazy wow and i love the reaction from the lady there the the two hands up

1:04:03um a little ham-fisted but you know very of the moment for its time i thought now my entire life knowing the film only through memes i thought that the film was insinuating that she got high and it made her jump out a window. Right, you're right, exactly right. It's not true. It's the guilt. It was the guilt. Although, as we've said, I do believe it was a marijuana-induced psychosis. A residue, a residue. She had gone crazy, and because of that, she could not handle the consequences, both of her actions, and she had marijuana-induced psychosis, which caused her to commit suicide, which, by the way, tragically, and we can get to this later on when I put up some of the links, is actually something that has been medically and scientifically proven to be real.

1:04:46Marijuana-induced psychosis leading to suicide. Tragic. By the way, Suicide Hotline and all of that, if anybody is struggling right now, do not use ChatGPT as we cover on our show. But yes, I would say, what, that's the real, that's the last big moment before the film ends. Yes, and it's bookended by Dr. Carroll as the end of the Greek chorus where he gives the final line and breaks the fourth wall. Let's take a final listen to that. Our final clip. My favorite. In these lives, the possibility of averting other tragedies like it. We must work untiringly so that our children are obliged to learn the truth because it is only through knowledge that we can safely protect them.

1:05:33Failing this, the next tragedy may be that of your daughter or your son are yours are yours are yours tell your children

1:05:51tell your children we're telling them right now I think our audience is children you should tell them if you guys have kids you should tell them so I want to get into your facts my big takes from this are it was a little boring at times but it was also I felt like If I'm approaching it as a sci-fi zombie horror movie, I think there are some beautiful shots. I think there are some bizarre acting befitting of a horror movie of like a zombie infection that fits for that time period. So on those merits, I kind of enjoyed more of the elements of the film than I expected. But ultimately, I think the argument the film accidentally makes, and maybe it was just for its time, but that to me, the criminalization and the lack of a of a storefront or government operated operated space for people to safely purchase and use marijuana leads to murder, sexual assault and and all the other things.

1:06:52I think that's a fair point. First of all, let me just wrap up. Like like you said, it's 68 minutes of short film. it's kind of crazy to have a 68 minute film which drags but i think also uh again though i want to be fair people cannot conceive of how pre-phones a lot of movies were long or they just included stuff which made not a whole lot of sense have you ever watched the deer hunter griffin yeah yeah i watched a deer hunter recently oh my god man it drags like for a for a classic film there are some long lingering scenes which i'm like yo this easily could have cut i think it would be two hours and 20 minutes and it would have ripped but that's not that's not the point of the film and that's fine my point is just that you know in especially at this time when a lot of the reason people even went to the movies was just to kill an hour they didn't have television all they had at home was books they had nothing radio right and so they wanted to be visually entertained The stuff that drags for us didn't necessarily drag for them.

1:07:55But yeah, in its time, I think it was probably better in its time, more appreciated. But for us in the moment, there are definitely times when I wouldn't say it's nearly that successful capturing your attention, which is ultimately, you know, to be entertained. Like that's the purpose of a film. Now, again, I want to put some of these facts up here. You already put the one up there about driving. But let me. Which one are you on next? I think they deleted. I got them. Which one you want next? Okay. The next one that I wanted to put up here is, so one of the central themes about it was Billy. He becomes stupider.

1:08:33He becomes less reliable. Let's put the one up about marijuana reduces IQ. I just want to say that every claim that I'm making here is backed up by multiple scientific studies. It is empirically and statistically now proven that long-term marijuana use, especially when started young, dramatically by almost five points reduces IQ. It's in the middle to middle to long term. And as they say there in middle in midlife, you can see it whenever you're controlling, even for other factors. The second thing, just on this article right here, point on point, the average content of THC in smoked whole plant products has risen from 1 % to 4 % in the 1970s to 15 to 30 % today's cannabis dispensaries.

1:09:20And that, I think, is like actually a pretty, for lack of a better word, potent argument. Yes. I mean, this is, look, the film may have dramatized, you know, what would have been smaller reactions. You wouldn't have seen it as much at the time. But in the age of high potency THC, that's why I'm like, this film is more relevant than ever. Almost everything they say is actually even more relevant to our lives today in relation to societal use of weed. The second thing I do want to show you is about the crazy behavior. Can you put the one about high THC products and ER visits? So there's this new thing called scrommeting, scrommeting, which I haven't.

1:10:05I haven't tried it yet. Yeah, so you can see ER doctors sounding the alarm on a fast-growing cannabis illness, cannabis-induced violent vomiting. It can lead to multi-day stays in the hospital. This is absolutely a result of high-potency THC, but also of teenage youth, which again is up, especially in states where legalization has happened. And the next one that I do want to put up here is it causes violence and suicide. So put the Scientific American up there just about the link between cannabis and psychosis in teens is real, which, you know, one of the reliance of this film is that it does cause people to go crazy.

1:10:48It's literally in the name Reefer Madness. Yeah, it's it's empirically correct. like reefer madness is a proven phenomenon, a medically proven, known now phenomenon where it can induce not only psychosis like temporarily, but it can cause literal psychotic breaks and especially induce people to become schizophrenic. The suicide and mental illness rate, of course, or violence rate, of course, also with that population is dramatically higher than the rest of the general population. I've got the suicide risk one there next, Griffin, if you want the suicide risk that it's labeled. This is a PubMed study which came out about the increased risk of suicide, especially with high potency THC marijuana use.

1:11:32So, yep, you can go and you can see it in first episode psychosis. You can go and you can read all of these. We'll put links down in the study to all the studies there for yourselves. And finally, this is one where about the cause of like mass violence that this drug has induced upon us. You can put my tweet there. But I mean, you can go and fact check this if you would like. Put the one called mass shootings about all of the mass shooters just in the last five years who are linked to Merrill. Or seven years, I guess I should say. So the Parkland shooter, Nicholas Cruz. I remind you all, he testified in open court that he was, quote, smoking a lot of weed at the time that he conducted his shooting.

1:12:13The Texas church shooter was not just positive for THC, positive for very high levels of THC. The Minneapolis shooter who we saw recently, this was the transgender one, blamed vaping weed in their own journal and also worked at a weed store. And then finally, this most recent ice shooter was a self-professed weed and gaming addict. Okay, so I just want to show again some of the dangers. Let's leave gaming out of it. Please leave gaming out of it. We will not leave gaming out of it. Because weed and gambling, or sorry, weed. Oh, I said gaming. Yeah, I said weed and gaming go together like this, as I noted about the FIFA comparison earlier.

1:12:53It's all about numbing the senses, about cheap dopamine. mean. But ultimately, I think that, yeah, I mean, the core film, like as somebody, again, who's so who's who's dug so deep into all the dangers of weed. Other than the sexual promiscuity, every single claim that they make is backed up by science. And if if anything is even worse today than it would have been back in the 1930s. And that's why ultimately it's a tragedy what happened to this film because this film became satire, right? As you said in Wikipedia, it became, Reefer Madness became a joke. Anybody warning about weed, I can't tell you how often I get this.

1:13:37If you warn about weed, oh, Reefer Madness. I'm like, well, we all just went through it. Reefer Madness is correct. Like its core claims are correct. Now, Griffin, I think you have a fair point about legalization and about regulation, But and by the way, even my our good friend Ryan Grimm will admit this. Ryan was a decriminalize all drugs guy. Ryan agreed with me that the way that legalization has rolled out, especially in a place like Oregon, where we had decriminalization at one point of even hard drugs, was a enforcement and societal disaster. It led to for what reasons? Well, because all of the promises of legalization did not end up happening.

1:14:18People said we would have more regulation. False. Instead, what's happened is the Wild West, high potency THC advertising linked and targeted towards children. No societal norms that exist around alcohol. And instead, you know, what's the message? It's chill. It's not chill. It's just simply not. This is a drug with a lot of tradeoffs. We don't have any any societal enforcement, like even around cigarettes. If you smoke cigarettes around children, universally, everyone's gonna say you're an asshole. For some reason, though, in any public park in this country or on the streets of, excuse me, in New York City or anywhere else, if you smoke weed, it's chill.

1:15:01You're such a prick if you say anything about it. And that's why our cities reek of weed. And of course, weed is also leads to antisocial behavior, which is why it becomes even more and more normalized. And you end up smelling it everywhere. It also smells bad. That's a subjective thing, but it does smell bad. Weed smokers should weed smokers should be more courteous with with. But they're not. It's inherent to their condition. It's inherent to their condition that they're not. People used to smoke cigarettes in restaurants. Now cigarette smoking is kind of something you do off in the corner. A hundred percent.

1:15:38No, you're right, Griffin. But that gets to my point, is that juxtaposition is that everybody treats it as not that big of a deal. And unfortunately, this film was a big part in its revival from the 1970s, 1980s. I remember hearing this in Dare, like, oh, my God, these are all lies. You know, this is just reefer madness. This is just reefer madness. talking points. And yeah, I mean, one of the goals in my review was just to show you like, no, everything they said was right. Almost almost everything that they said in this movie was right. And so now that Trump this gets kind of to the policy, perhaps part of our show.

1:16:17Trump wants to reschedule marijuana, schedule three. This just is going to pour gasoline on the fire of everything that I they know there's going to be everyone's like, oh, then we'll regulate it. Nope, not happening. Instead, he's giving massive tax breaks to multibillion dollar companies which sell weed all over America. Venture capital, Wall Street, the pharmaceutical industry, they're salivating, salivating over the rescheduling of marijuana. They want to pump billions more into this industry, sell you as much as possible, make you addicted. Right now, Daily weed use outpaces daily alcohol use.

1:16:56That makes sense. Yeah, I mean, and listen, again, to get to society, if you drink every single day, you're an alcoholic. Everyone agrees with that. You have a problem, dude or gal. If you drink every single day, if you cannot go a day without having a drink, you have a problem. If you smoke weed every day, it's fine. Oh, that's chill. Normal. Just taking the... No, you have a problem. You are addicted to weed. And unfortunately, again, like all vice industries, everything, every single thing I'm saying here can be fact check. Marijuana, in particular, its users, the highest amount of users are daily users.

1:17:42That might make sense. But what I'm trying to say is it has a much larger portion of the marijuana user base are daily users than people who are quote unquote casual drinkers. There is something about this drug, which in particular leads to a heavy reliance on it by the people who use it and who end up consuming it on a large basis, which is very profitable to these companies. And that's their ultimate goal. And Trump's ultimate goal now is to vastly enrich the scum who, it's not just weed, it's gambling, It's all vice, you know, related industries. And, you know, to get back to the alcohol point, we do not have the same norms around weed that we do with alcohol or even cigarettes.

1:18:30I mean, you can't advertise cigarettes and yet you can advertise. You can't, you know, you can't advertise or, you know, the Marlboro Man commercials and all that stuff that existed, but you can do it for gambling. um and and even on marijuana no no but what part of what i'm getting at here with weed is that even today you know what we're seeing is this billion dollar industry just create as many ways as possible to make you high all the time weed soda weed gummies weed this you know lollipops it's uh different strains all of the craziest i mean at one point in colorado there were more weed shops than McDonald's or Subways, right?

1:19:14There was like a weed shop on every other corner. And this is actually the case where in more rural areas, down market areas, we talk about the dangers of Dollar Tree or any of these, you know, payday loan lenders, alcohol, you know, but yeah, you that's it's funny. People think I defend alcohol. So alcohol in a poor neighborhood, it, you're scumbag. I'm happy to say that. But also, if you sell weed in a poor area, you're also scumbag and or lottery tickets or any of these other deeply exploitative things. But the thing is, is that with almost all of those, most people can agree that those are bad behaviors.

1:19:57It's only weed that we seem to have this carve out on. So if anything, like I that's my major goal is to stigmatize it is to re-stigmatize weed porn gambling I want these things to be thought of in the same way that we think about all other vices that we know are horrible for you I'm not saying you should be locked up without disagreeing on any of the individual negative things that you are to connect to marijuana like I think part of the reason why people have a more negative view of heroin or alcohol is because people get drunk come home and beat their lives. People like drink and drive and crash their cars probably at a higher rate than they smoke weed and drive.

1:20:37Well, that's not yet proven, Griffin. Unfortunately, there's not statistical wide data on that. And people are drinking less too. So that actually might shift. So high driving might actually be more dangerous than drunk driving. So I think societally, it makes sense that like people have experienced larger negative effects than some of the more invisible things like, oh, he's depressed and doesn't work as hard now or whatever. Yeah, but that's not the only thing I just noticed. So you talked about people and it's also and the lethality of the drug. So, for instance, you can drink enough to die.

1:21:07You can start to get there with like the article you brought up where, you know, it is having people go to the hospital. Yeah, we're getting there with like a few cases. But those are like those are not the large majority in the terms of science. OK, but let's be fair. And you like but anytime you drink like X amount, you know, you're going to the hospital. That's not necessarily true for everyone. We. Yeah, that's true. You can get alcohol poisoning. You certainly can. But the number of people who drink themselves to death is a statistically very, very small portion of the people who drink. Right.

1:21:37So that's the same type of argument. I mean, if you line it up, I've just showed you it can lead to mass psycho. It can literally lead to millions and millions of people. Not literally lead to. It already has led to millions of people going crazy and committing violence like this is happening. It already is happening. On the shooters you pulled up, so you named the four shooters there, and my instant thought was, okay, that's four people. There's a shooting every day. Yeah, but I said mass shooters specifically, first of all. Well, okay, let me borrow from your left frame. Yeah, but nobody ever wants to talk about young white men who commit these.

1:22:17No, don't make me woke. I'm not woke. I'm just saying. Watch out. The leftists always like to do that. When we're talking about crime statistics, they're like, well, there's something in particular about young, white. I'm just pointing you out. It's not just that they're young and white. It's a lot of them smoke weed. Okay. Look, it's not just that I can find you. Four of them. Four of them. We don't have a huge sample size of mass shooters. There's so many shooters. What are we talking about? Well, no, no, no. I said mass shooters. But what's mass? Like Las Vegas? But fine, fine, fine, fine. Let's then.

1:22:50Because to me, I'm like, oh, they all also had cereal that morning. OK, it's like, OK, but that's not causal. That's not causal, especially whenever it comes to violence and to that. But if we want to go down that road, let's go look at crime statistics that involve marijuana. It is a like like in the same way that you said alcohol can lead to beating their wife. Marijuana is involved in an unbelievable amount of crimes. Twenty to twenty five percent just of drug related crimes are involving marijuana. Now, drug obviously is usually connected to violence. They don't release. That means it's in their blood system like it's in their body or how they classify it.

1:23:30What they're saying is what's related because it sounds like this is like an anti-Semitic incident in New York. But then what's alcohol related? Then what's alcohol related? Right. So I mean, if somebody drinks and beats their wife, maybe they were an asshole who was going to do it anyways. Are we going to blame it on alcohol? I'm happy to. OK, especially if alcohol is involved. I have no problem with that classification. But then I'm going to borrow that same classification over here for myself. Unfortunately, we don't release it whenever it comes just to violent incidents. But we definitely know that with drug related incidents, it's going to be connected.

1:23:59Now, the same thing, though, gets to, you know, what you were saying there about shooting. I mean, I just gave people the statistics about psychosis, and it is an empirical fact that people who unfortunately are going through psychotic episodes are dramatically more likely to commit murder and violence. I mean, we've more recently had that the stabbing of that girl that was on the train by somebody who was schizophrenic. All right. I mean, this is unfortunately, you know, is a characteristic in some cases of violent schizophrenia. This is something that is a well-documented thing. Now, if we're going to have a drug - I'd agree with that.

1:24:37And I think that our main point of agreement that is that weed has changed. I don't think that the level of THC in weed when this film was made was important enough to do a scare campaign. And I don't think they knew that it was going to be five times as powerful back then. But now I do think that weed is probably too strong. It's almost like a different drug than even what I did back in high school and college or whatever. So I do buy that there are like new new cases of psychosis and that the conversation like is evolving and changing because of the strength of the drug. But then I think the question always comes to like, what are what should be done about it?

1:25:16Like, what are your solutions that are are fair? And is it really just like the sense of the film to just tell your children? Like, is that as far as you would want to go? No, absolutely not. Again, I'll meet the liberals halfway. You guys want legalization. You're not ready for the regime under which we're going to live under. Then we are going to live under a capped amount of THC per product. We are going to live with none of these bullshit products which pedal to children, lollipops, drinks and all of this other ridiculous nonsense. We are going to live with taxpayer funded, funded specifically like addiction clinics and others, which is going to monitor.

1:26:00I love that. Yeah. No, but but this no, you may. The people who buy weed bitch and moan any time somebody actually taxes it. They don't want it. Like at the end of the day, what we've witnessed with weed and gambling legalization is ultimately the way that it all falls is no regulation. Wild West and that the users themselves become so addicted, they turn into lobbyists for the industry. So, for example, and, you know, I guess I'll call out Barstool here, but I saw multiple personalities, even though I have some friends over there who were lobbying against gambling taxes. The whole point was, yeah, we were going to legalize gambling so we could tax it.

1:26:40But no, even taxing it is something that they began to revolt against. And this happens with weed. if we moved to the regime that i just talked about where and also if by the if you smoke it in public you're getting a ticket they get a couple more just like with drunk driving you get a couple you're going to jail i support that 100 you should get an infraction you cannot disturb the public peace by constantly just going around and smoking and then we need the societal i don't object to that either right so but that's what i'm trying to say is and i think because i think When people hear criticisms like yours, they think of the war on drugs.

1:27:17They think of like all of those failures and they think that you kind of want to recreate it. But that's not what I'm hearing. No, not at all. I'm saying I will meet you all halfway. I've even said this about drugs, hard drugs. I go, OK, fine. But if you get shot, if you're shooting up, if you have a needle in your arm outside of my house, which happens, you're going to jail. You are going to jail if you have a needle in your arm. If you are on a public bench and you're causing. What about a rehab center? Well, but no, but that's kind of what I'm getting at. This is like the Portuguese model. You are going to mandatory rehab and not the bullshit rehab we have in America where it's only 30 days.

1:27:57I'm talking about one to two years. You are going to rehab. In this case, I'm talking about heroin and fentanyl, which has one of the highest recidivism rates of all time. Really? Two years? That's a long rehab. It's a long time to rewire your brain. It's unfortunate. That's why you shouldn't use this shit. But what I'm what I'm getting at is fine. Like we can legalize it if you guys want to. But we are going to live under a very strict regime about how this all works. And unfortunately, what we have seen with the mass libertine culture that we live in is that what ends up happening is legalization with none of the enforcement.

1:28:33And that's why I think we're living in the worst of all worlds. And by the way, this is what I want to say. The public is on my side because it was only three years ago that we had almost 80 percent for support of legalization of marijuana. The most recent Gallup polling shows a 13 percent drop just in one year for legalizing weed from last year, just amongst Republicans and already falls with Democrats and with independents. as we continue to see what I think the hellscape, you know, that we all live in, you're just going to see that number continue to go down. You're seeing the same thing with sports gambling.

1:29:11I mean, and this is why, again, people think I want to ban all gambling. I want to ban weed. I've never said that. I think if you want to smoke weed in your house, as long as that smoke is not going into other people's homes and is not, you're not violent and you're not psychotic. I'm really with Sagar. I'm remaining with Sagar and I'm blowing it under the door. If it's a truly private experience, so be it, I guess, although I still think it's bad. But, you know, it's a free country. I think those people wouldn't disagree with a lot of that. But they do, though. See, this operationally, they do.

1:29:46People riot when you say, no, you can't smoke weed in public. No, you can't smoke weed around children. That's the other thing. Designated things around children, around where children gather. You know, where I live. Oh, my God. You'll walk your kid. You're going to smell weed down at the park. It happens all the time. You and I know that national parks, I love my national parks. There's always some of them smoking weed out on a trail or something. It's just one of those things where for some reason we all seem to think it's fine. So I would want massive enforcement, massive regulation and changes to our society.

1:30:23But I know the country that we live in. It doesn't even seem like the regulations that you're asking for are that massive. You're essentially asking for us to treat it like cigarettes, where you can buy cigarettes, but there are warnings. Kids can't do it. It can't look like a candy lollipop, and it can't be advertised to people. And there's a social taboo or a legal to actually smoke in parks. Is that as far as you go? Yeah, that's that's that I really don't. I think the battle is overwrought. I forgot. I forgot the I forgot the last part. Nonprofit. It has to be nonprofit or and or government controlled, state controlled, like we do here about liquor in Virginia.

1:31:02You cannot allow for profit industry, which is the backstop of all of this is the or we can. But then the profit margin is going to be capped and there's going to be price control completely across the board. Nonprofit is the only way to keep the grubby hands of Wall Street venture capital, which is what's happened right now. Like I said, this is a multi-billion. One of the things that weed people like to say is that big pharma and all these people are lobbying. No, they're not, you idiots. They will do anything to get you addicted. If you're so dumb that you think that medical marijuana is a thing, they'll sell it to you at a high price.

1:31:40Oh, should we go into that one? That's the last one. This one just came out. Massive new study. I'll send you the link about medical marijuana, which, of course, we've been hearing for years about all of the. the medicinal benefits. And one time we heard a story about a guy with seizures and, and weed just happened to stop it. Well, everyone that's there's this thing called evidence. There's this thing called evidence. I want to be in the room where they're like, let's like the guy's having the seizure and they're like, let's let's, let's get them high. And unfortunately, you know, for people, what has now come out from JAMA, one of the most respected medical, medical what's it called?

1:32:22One of the most medical journals that's exists. Let's go and put this up here on the screen. Oh, oh, review of medical cannabis use finds little evidence of benefit. Researchers found a chasm between the health reasons for which the public seeks out cannabis and what the gold standard science actually shows about its effects. For those who say I need weed to sleep, false. Weed makes your sleep false. Weed, I use weed to make my anxiety go down. False. Weed increases the amount of your anxiety. By the way, can I say this about alcohol too? The amount of people who are always talking about, I just need a drink to take the edge off.

1:33:06The evidence is in now, your anxiety that you're trying to cure with alcohol will actually increase beyond where it was previously as a result of you using alcohol. Drowning or trying to smoke your problems away or shooting up your problems away is a fool's errand and it doesn't work. And that's, look, there's so much evidence about different lifestyle things that you can do. You don't have to turn to medication. I don't even want people to turn to medication. You know me. Exercise alone is dramatically more proven to decrease anxiety, to even more so than SSRIs for depression. So what I'm just trying to show you all is that, This culture that we live in is just all about make multibillion dollar industries.

1:33:53They're trying to sell you something. They want you addicted. The more anxious you are, the more weed you smoke, which more anxious you are, which is the more weed that you smoke. And they're the ones that profit. And that's why, you know, the solutions that I laid out, I would love to live in a country like that. But I just don't think it's going to happen because operationally in America, that's not how it goes. We legalize. We legalize. We make it a for profit business, massively exploitative. This is what happens with gambling. This happens with weed. It's happening with pornography. Happened with alcohol for many years before we did anything about it.

1:34:32Happened with with cigarettes, you know, as well. And it took, I mean, Jesus, it took decades, you know, really for the public and for for laws to all kind of come together and actually try and move in a different direction. So, yeah, I mean, I think I will get there. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. I mean, like into the culture point or what have you, I think this this might be a rise for optimism for you. But I think that in cinematic media culture around weed, weed is actually not as cool now. Like the like the early days of like the stoner comedies are kind of like lame now. And it's like if weed is your whole thing, like it's actually kind of kind of lame.

1:35:14Like it's not like like if you're obsessed with weed and have like a Rick and Morty bong and like it's what you're all about. Like that that has a that has kind of like a cultural shelf life. I in my opinion currently like there used to be like, you know, on Broad City, they used to be smoking weed all the time. You don't really see that in like the the more current modern culture. So maybe that's a sign that like once it became more legal, it became less cool. I specifically remember on an episode of Bill Maher, it was either Bill Maher or CNN or something, but Zach Galifianakis pulls out a joint and smokes it on TV.

1:35:52And it was like a big, crazy moment that was like, whoa, he just did that. If he did that today, I think people would stunt on him. You're a loser. They would make fun of him for doing that. So that is a sign that culture changes. Perhaps it's less rebellious. Paul Bear, when he just quit CBS, did a splashy magazine cover where he was smoking a joint at the Beverly Hills Hotel. We can both agree that guy's smoking too much weed. Yeah, he's smoking too much weed. That guy in particular. Too much weed. He's in a psychosis of some sort. So, yeah, that's my final plea. Stay off the weed. That's the point of this movie.

1:36:28I'm surprised. Yeah, yeah. I'm surprised that I think after sussing stuff out, I think a lot of the audience would probably agree with you that it should be regulated closer to cigarettes. that people shouldn't do in the parks and that it's preferable for it to be heavily regulated than illegal like we see in the film and have there be drug guys lurking around high schools. Yeah. Well, I think that's ever-present, unfortunately. I think that will always be, there will always be an undesirable element at high schools. So how do we rate the film? Let's end this movie review. What would you rate this film?

1:37:02Purely as a film? On Letterboxd, what are you giving it? But maybe for, because, you know, films aren't just the content itself, but its impact. I get 3.5 out of 5. Okay. 3.5 out of 5. Only because of the impact. If I was grading it purely, like, as a movie, I'd probably give it, like, a 2. 2 out of 5. Just because so much of it drags. And it can be a little bit convoluted. But I guess we have to grade it on a curve. Like I said, I mean, like, learning that it was done by a silent film director, actually made it click where I'm like, oh, that's why it's so choppy at times. You know, it doesn't flow necessarily.

1:37:42But, you know, you got to cut people a great break. This was almost 100 years ago that this film was made. So, yeah. But that, you know, in the modern era, I don't think it holds up as a film necessarily, but it definitely has. It definitely gives us something to think about, like in terms of the themes and the the problems that it tries to highlight and its major cultural impact. Okay. And I, I didn't know what star to give it. So folks, if you've made it this far at the end of this interview, this one is just for the, for the deep cut fans. I'm giving it one big bong rip for Sagar.

1:38:24All right. All right. I like it. I like it. Not that I know what any of that means. Thank you guys for watching. Whoever watched this, seriously, thank you. At the very least, We're doing this for us because we enjoyed the hell out of it. Griffin, we should do more movie reviews. Knocked Up next year. I'm excited to do Knocked Up next holiday season. Dude, I'm telling you, it's a good film. It's good. It's good. It holds up. Yeah. After 20 years. Folks, all the links to soccer studies will be in the video description here. And we hope that you are all gathering around the correct tree, the Christmas tree.

1:38:55That's right. This holiday season. That's right. Happy holidays. 1969. Malcolm and Martin are gone. America is in crisis. And at Morehouse College, the students make their move. These students, including a young Samuel L. Jackson, locked up the members of the Board of Trustees, including Martin Luther King Sr. It's the true story of protest and rebellion in Black American history that you'll never forget. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. Listen to The A-Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Black history lives in our stories, our culture, and the conversations we still have in today.

1:39:36This Black History Month, the podcast I Didn't Know, Maybe You Didn't Either, digs into the moments, perspectives, and experiences that don't always make the textbook. Let me tell you about Garrett Morgan. Bruh had to pretend he didn't even exist just to sell his own invention. Listen to I Didn't Know, Maybe You Didn't Either, from the Black Effect Podcast Network, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or simply wherever you get your podcast. I didn't know.

1:40:29Mind Games, a new podcast exploring NLP, aka neurolinguistic programming. Is it a self-help miracle? A shady hypnosis scam? Or both? Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human.