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30:20And, you know, there are a lot of decisions that Pete Hegseth might make to upset the war machine that we might like. There are some that are not going to upset the war machine that we definitely dislike, for example, the boat strikes. But there are a lot of like old school Pentagon people in there that definitely are leaking to reporters. And so I feel like they were trying to figure out a way to make that stop and landed on this bizarre policy. So I feel like they were going to do this no matter what at some point because they don't want these like Jennifer Griffin of Fox News, who Hacks has snapped at, if everyone remembers in that presser.

31:01They cannot stand the people who have had their offices there forever. And they know they've got those. They're getting those coffees with the leakers. People are coming in and out, all of that stuff, because, yes, you can send classified information over signal, for example. You can leak it over signal, for example, but it's a whole lot easier to say something in person. So they they know. So that's why I think it would happen no matter what. So Pete Hegseth takes over their department, has famous had a drinking problem. Now, I guess everyone at the department has a drinking problem. I've never I've never seen I've never seen someone have to slur surface to air missile system.

31:46That's hard to say drunk. That's a tongue twister. But Emily, to your point earlier about there being sort of like this, like open area where for like there's there's an open niche for a more normal person to critique the Trump administration or what have you. Perhaps it's not going to be happening with Cam Higby and this press corps. Are there other people that you could say like, oh, like maybe this person could come up and rise rise to the moment? Or are we just seeing like a lack of a bench in the in the conservative commentator sphere and journalist sphere? I always wait for Matt Gaetz to do it, honestly, because Gaetz is on foreign policy, like really sharp about these types of things.

32:32It's mostly the foreign policy. You know, he was trying to get rid of the AUMF. He was trying to get our troops out of Africa. Like he's actually very opposed to a lot of the old school, not neocons, but like even America first type people who have neoconservative sympathies. So it's there for the taking if Gates wants it. He definitely dabbles in it. That's for sure. Sager is somebody who does it. But Sager has definitely detached himself from the broader conservative movement and isn't really a part of that world. So there's definitely there's a lot of room and there I think people are misunderstanding why a lot of folks turn to like the French commentators.

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36:40Emily, I want to throw to you for this one. This is the January 6th pipe bomber. Folks, we got him. Mission accomplished. Mac, if you could throw up this tear sheet. And Emily, you could kind of fill in the details, but it says the Trump DOJ has suspect Brian Cole arrested and facing explosive charges. What do we know about Brian Cole, Emily? Yeah, we're starting to learn more. So what happened is out of absolutely nowhere yesterday, the FBI announced that they had made this arrest. They had a very vague press conference, and then Cole was charged in court. So Cole was in Woodbridge, Virginia, so a suburb of Washington, D.C., and 30-year-old right now, so it would have been about 25 back in 2021.

37:36The charging document, I have it up on my screen, says he is 5 feet 6 inches tall and wears corrective eyeglasses. That actually is important because as the hoodie suspect who placed those pipe bombs behind the Republican National Committee and the DNC then as well was said to be roughly in that height range, sort of a short person for a man who was a man. But now the blaze came in hot a couple of weeks ago and accused a woman who currently works for the CIA of being the person in the hoodie. According to GATE analysis, they retracted that story yesterday. This person has an alibi. They were said to be working for Capitol Police at the time.

38:18So all that is to say, the charging document makes it look a whole lot like the FBI under the Biden administration had all of the pieces of the puzzle and just did not put them together. And maybe that was for a nefarious reason. Maybe that was out of incompetence. You know, it's always important to remember incompetence is a good explanation for a lot of what happens in D.C. But, for example, during 2019 and 2020, the affidavit says, Cole purchased multiple items consistent with the components that were used to manufacture the pipe bombs placed at the RNC and DNC. The FBI obtained records for the checking account and three credit cards for the time period from January 2018 to January 2021.

39:02Three additional credit cards were obtained for the time period of January 2018 to November 2025. The FBI reviewed the transaction history for all of these accounts. It looks like it was really basic police work, to be honest. And the pieces probably could have been put together a long time ago. So where this is going. They pinged a cell tower and then they found that he bought parts and equipment, right? For the bomb. Right, exactly. So like pipe heads, all of those things. They were able to, again, do what's fairly basic police work. And so where this is going politically, Kashpatel, Zambangino, Pambani, they have all said that there was nothing new that they did.

39:48They were just combing through the pre-existing investigation and looking for scraps of information that may already be there. Obviously, they didn't trust the investigation. And from there, they kind of found a break in the case. They said it was, quote, forensic evidence. So where this is going politically is already leaks have gone into different media publications that Brian Cole may have some Antifa connections. It looks like his family is left wing. everyone should be careful with that too because that could even if that is quote antifa even if he does have some type of like antifa motivation you then have to ask what the fbi's involvement with that antifa group might have been um because that's where this is all heading is uh if the fbi was aware of this information years ago why did they stop or why did they uh not figure it out publicly, at least.

40:43I think there's some open questions. That's an interesting point. Yeah. And there were they were very coy about assets in the crowd and actual agents of the crowd on January 6th for a long time. And then Thomas Massey and others kind of forced them to come to the table and say they did have assets who were there. Some who were just there by happenstance. They had been working with the FBI as informants essentially and were there. Others, I think it was a couple at least that were there intentionally. So I was at January 6th. I was like reporting and. Okay. Good to clarify. Yes. I always have to clarify that.

41:25Reporting. Yeah. Quote, unquote reporting. Well, actually I started that day at the Ellipse at Trump's speech because there had been like legit Antifa activity on BLM Plaza, which was right where Trump's speech was going to be that whole summer. And so that's why I went down there that day and I ended up walking and trying to get interviews with people who were walking over to the Capitol. And I saw legitimate, genuine MAGA people be whipped into a frenzy. Like that was not, they were, they were not, it wasn't just a crowd of feds. It was a lot of like average, you know, I saw a soccer mom at one point, like ushering people over, you know, it was like the craziest thing I've ever seen.

42:04It was not a crowd of feds. There were a lot of people who have come out since because they were prosecuted for it, told and said exactly why they did what they did. It's because they thought the election was being stolen. So if there are feds, we need to know. If there were people contributing to the whipping of MAGA into that frenzy, we need to know. It doesn't undermine the fact that there were a whole lot of people that did heinous illegal activity that day who weren't just doing it because feds were whipping them up and telling them to, they have agency too. So I do think, and Ryan, I'm curious where you make of that, that's where this is heading, is a question of whether the FBI just didn't want some type of link to the pipe bomb placement, which has always been very weird.

42:50They didn't want some type of link to it to come out into the public view. Yeah, I think they're going to have to explain why it took this long to make an arrest if they weren't really relying on any new information. and they were just, you know, that it was out there for them. I think also the blaze looks like they're going to cook over this. You know, that story that they did immediately, when you read it, reeked of defamation. You're like, hold on, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You're like, you know, the defenses against defamation are, you know, one, if they're a public figure, then there's a much higher bar for that public figure to be able to come after you for saying something false about them.

43:36This woman that they singled out was not remotely a public figure and seemed to have a decent alibi. So, like, if you're, if you, in their retraction, you know, it's clear the retraction was written by a lawyer, and they're saying, like, you know, we published this information in good faith with our belief that it was accurate, but we're now retracting it because it looks like it isn't. But in order to get out of defamation, you have to show that you, you know, that you, you know, if they can show that you knew or should have known that what you were writing was false, then you're in trouble. And they kind of should have known because, you know, she had a real alibi.

44:27um they didn't really have enough evidence to stack on the other side of that this like weird like they compared her gait in like a like they did some gait analysis it's like whoa guys you can't accuse somebody of being a pipe bomber um and the other thing you need for defamation is to prove like actual damages and i can imagine that this woman suffered like legitimate serious genuine damages from millions of people thinking that she's a pipe bomber um so i think you know blaze blaze uh blaze's defamation insurance is going to get a workout i would suspect from this so ryan what do you make of the evidence on brian cole now there's this they say that they pinged or his cell phone pinged cell towers that were in the area we have this like these photos this video footage and you know they say that he bought parts that could create a bomb but those parts are bought over the course of months if if not years if i'm mistaken so he went to several different years and he also went to multiple different locations it looks like now i believe everything cash patel says that's my that's my particular hill that i die on this show but ryan what's your what's your believe meter at right now yeah ryan are you with are you with uh massey on this let's see what they've got.

45:52I'm not buying it. Thomas Massey posted at 922 a.m. yesterday after the arrest was announced. I think it is good practice to always be skeptical of all federal indictments. Just as citizens, we should be demanding extraordinary evidence when claims are made. So you can't believe what's in an indictment just because the feds put it in an indictment. um you know we'll see um you know i'm not i'm certainly what saying i'm i'm not on i'm not saying he's didn't do it either like i don't know that for um for certain either i mean who knows if this is all that they have but it does seem like a lot of the stuff that's that you're putting up here emily is just like circumstantial stuff like you would need more than this to actually convict him, right?

46:44To say, oh, well, he bought some component parts and his phone was generally in the area, but like, that wouldn't be enough for a conviction, right? This will depend on the jury. I mean, if you're pinging, if your cell phone, you live in Woodbridge and your cell phone's pinging in the area of the RNC and DNC the night of January 5th when they say the, well, they have video of the bombs being placed. If you roughly resemble the person on the video. And then they have this, these credit card records here. Well, also the other thing that we're missing is his car was a half a mile from the bombs where the bombs were on January 5th.

47:17So it was parked on Capitol Hill. And then they have all of these credit card records that see him allegedly buying the black end caps for those pipes. And if people don't remember what the pipe bombs looked like, it is always worth revisiting. They're so hilarious. I'm sorry, but like they look cartoonish they have literal like oven timers strapped to pvc try to pull those for us yeah let's it's completely insane um like something i would make yeah i'm with ryan like always be completely skeptical of all the stuff um so he can't be he can't be a real antifa member he's not a real antifa super soldier because they would have they would have had spotless they would use cash they would use cash at the home depot right right well i think they said in the indictment that he did use cash at other places yeah oh at other places use cash yeah at some places have video of him going and buying it i guess yeah or maybe a cell phone pinging or something like that here i got a picture here of what one of these pipe bombs supposedly these are wild here so i guess that's what that's what it looks like according to i mean yeah he's got the it's a kitchen timer it's like a literal kitchen timer that you would have and then it's yeah wiring into the pipe but yeah i don't know uh i imagine the detectives were like okay there's only a few hand home depots you know within 10 miles of here but but who amongst us hasn't purchased 12 black end caps and two galvanized end caps from four different home depots in northern virginia yeah we've all been there bro yeah you gotta get your gotta go to ohio or whatever to get your and like it it does show like this is not the 1970s like they can they're going to catch you doing this stuff like you can take you can pay in cash you can take precautions um but you know the surveillance state is impressive yeah so so what's the significance just like hey home depot like who bought 12 caps and a kitchen they're narcs they're narcs as we know home depot I'm going to mark you out like Home Depot.

49:21Like if you were 10 times. Yes. If you thought Home Depot was ride or die for you. No. So, Emily, like what is this larger significance of this January 6th pipe bomb around the event of January 6th? And like, what is the Trump administration or DHA trying to do with this to kind of like maybe reframe or recontextualize the events? Because what I know from the pipe bombs is that a lot of the authorities said that those pipe bomb threats, diverted resources during really crucial hours that could have allowed them to contain more of the January 6th event. And also this sense that, well, if the bombs were placed, that some of this was premeditated, right?

50:05That this wasn't just an in the moment fervor, but if someone planted these bombs, that there was a larger plan before the Trump rally and yada, Ayada. What do you make of all that? Yeah. So I'll read a post here from Julie Kelly, who's one of the kind of people on the right who's followed this really closely. She said this is where she's going with it. She says Washington Post also reporting Cole's quote unquote extremist political views. As I've already said on an interview this morning, it appears the Ray FBI buried the pipe bomb investigation in early 2021 after discovering the hoodie individual seen on January 5 was not MAGA, but was Antifa.

50:40That would have not only decimated the developing January 6th insurrection narrative at the time, but completely contradicted Ray's early insistence that Antifa played no role in January 6th. Huge scandal, if true. I'm saying that just to give a sort of flavor of where everyone's going with this, but I think it does test a couple of the narratives that people on the right have had going into this, which is, one of them was, was that, you know, there were in the circles and people on the right who followed this story closely, they would point out, rightfully point out, that first of all, there are bomb sniffing dogs around the DNC at the time that the alleged pipe bomb was there.

51:18Nobody caught it. Kamala Harris was being moved around through that area. There was no like intense panic about the fact like it's that stuff was genuinely a bit strange. The man who was one One of the FBI officials overseeing the Gretchen Whitmer fed kidnapping plot as Nick Terse and others. And Terse is still at the Intercept, right, Ryan? That was. And I think you probably were still there when that reporting was happening. Probably edited some of that. Yes. Excellent reporting. And that guy had been reassigned to D.C. and all of a sudden J6 pipe bomb, all of that stuff happens. And so the suggestion by people who bring that up is whether any of this was organic.

52:03So what that tests is this idea that it's Antifa, unless Antifa is like working hand in glove with the feds. And so I don't think anybody has a clear victory, like a clear narrative victory going forward. There's just so much. The pipe bomb story is just it's very hard to believe that some random lib did all of this and all of the strange stuff that happened afterwards was just because Chris Ray was trying to bury an Antifa plot. I don't know. Honestly, I think there's some more weirdness happening. It just it seems too strange that these things were there and nobody saw them for 15 hours. Nobody caught them for 15 hours.

52:48But yeah, to Griffin's point, that is the implication is that in some way the pipe bombs were used to divert resources from the Capitol so that the Capitol would fall. and then you would have this like false flag thing to pin on MAGA. So it gets really weedy and complicated with pipe bomb theories. But if what the MAGA FBI is saying is that it was just an Antifa guy and there was no FBI involvement, then other than burying the story, then some of those theories get challenged. So under that logic though, like what would be the narrative then that they're trying to sell if it was an Antifa guy, that he just happened to do this the day before to try to pin it on MAGA or something?

53:28Or what's the logic behind that? Yeah. That's why I think it challenges some of those narratives. Or that the FBI put them up to it. Yeah. It could be that too. Yeah. The Fed line makes a lot more sense to me. I agree. But it could be Fed Tifa. It could be a combination of both. Not impossible. Mac, you've seen that, haven't you? You've seen Fed Tifa. You've seen that? we've we've seen a couple fed tifas out there oh on your dc protest observations you've seen dc atlanta a few times yeah very interesting um yeah that's a thing well uh january 6th the the story that keeps on giving uh i wanted to move us over to palantir and the deal book summit what a summit that happened, all sorts of characters that Andrew Ross Sorkin was speaking to.

54:22But we wanted to focus on CEO Alex Karp of Palantir, who who was getting really excited about his business. I think that's the most I don't know, PC way to describe it. Griffin, I love how you shepherd us through the news stories like it's American Bandstand. Like, let's move on to Palantir. I'm trying to keep a brisk pace because we have so many stories to get to. Mac, why don't we play this first clip from CEO Alex Karp? What is the biggest problem in this culture? I'll tell you the biggest problem. No one believes the institutions are credible. And why don't they believe? And I struggle to believe they're credible, too, because these business leaders make completely stupid decisions.

55:09And they get bailed out. A year later, they're getting huge bonuses. What do the American people get? Nothing. And that's a huge problem. Like if you make. So I think the real version is like I made a lot of decisions when we began talking, annoying each other 10 years ago. Hopefully I'm annoying you as much as 10 years ago or more. When when I made, you know, this every decision Palantir made FDA is going public, building products, enterprise, large data sets, going to government, acknowledging American superiority, being pro-meritocracy, launching an AI platform, calling into question that AI models would actually be able to perform without orchestration.

55:54Every single one, every single R-ontology, every single one of those was viewed as stupid. You know what I actually have grown to appreciate about capitalism? All the people who made the right decisions went broke, are going out of business, or now have to copy us. Microsoft launched R-ontology. Everyone wants to do FDEs. everyone basically copies me and Palantir. This is the stable leadership that I want in charge of my mass surveillance death company. Everyone that we have to watch now is like, yeah, I mean, is everyone that we watch now either drunk or geeked out? I mean, Ryan, like, what do we make of this?

56:32Like this Alex Karp guy? I mean, he's the he's our philosopher king, right? You know, he's he's the. I guess he's the surveillance God that we deserve. This is we're headed to a pretty, pretty dark place. And the people that we're empowering aren't aren't obscuring from the public who they are and what they're about. um we also have another clip here mac uh where he we that's you know slightly more substantive about the inner workings of the palantir business here and then that he talked about eliminating or not valuing the humanities uh department of palantir why don't we take a listen to that take the media out of it there's a group of 13 former palantir employees wrote an open letter to you and they stated quote that palantir's leadership has abandoned its founding ideals We have 5 ,000 ex-Palantirians and 4 ,000 current Palantirians.

57:30And by the way, we encourage a culture of disagreement, which you know exists. Anyone can come visit us. You'll find half the people disagreeing with me, at least on any issue. But I just want to say, we have 5 ,000 ex-Palantirians. You have 13, half of whom were like in the humanities department of Palantir, which is a little bit like being in the printing press part of New York Times, It's a very important part, but no one's really listening to your opinion. So it's like it's, yeah, you know, if you if you have an organization, I'll tell you what. A lot of Palantirians, Palantirians are mostly uncomfortable.

58:05Most Palantirians are like you. OK, I don't know who you are, because you're an objective journalist. But they broadly are OK with they they like to work with you in Ukraine. By the way, could your opinions finally stick up for us since we're basically between us and Russia? And but they they're very proud of that in general, although that's also very controversial and not elite circles. That's important to remember. They're pretty OK with Israel stuff, especially since a lot of the BS written about us on the right, primarily not primarily on the left. Somehow we're doing facial recognition stuff and we're building a database.

58:39Any technical person knows that's BS. By the way, if you've heard that and you believe that, listen to the person who told you that. Do 10 minutes of research and you'll see who has credibility for you. So is he is he denying there at the end that he's working with the Israelis on targeting in Gaza? Is that what he was doing at the end there? I think what he's doing is denying, and it is a sort of cliche about Palantir mistake that some people make, which is that they are themselves doing the like CCTV, like pulling all of that data. Instead, what they do, as though this is much better, is helps the government streamline the analysis of these mountains and mountains of data.

59:25Technically, that's, I think, the distinction that he's trying to make. And obviously it is a real distinction, but they're still obviously massively bolstering the surveillance state. Palantir was started with money from the CIA's venture capital firm, which is a thing that exists. And one of the reasons is that Thiel had this idea to outsource surveillance analysis in a way that was like civil libertarianism. And the CIA obviously sees that and is like, great, you have the veneer of civil libertarianism for this massive surveillance analysis technology. And Teal claims that it's better, and Carpel claimed that it's better that Palantir does it than the government itself or someone else because Palantir has all of these guardrails and civil liberties and that sort of thing.

1:00:19so that's I mean that's where they go with this but you know I don't think anyone's happy to say like oh or anyone's like super supportive of the idea that people are making massive profits off of streamlining the analysis of mass surveillance

1:00:37and Ryan what do you think about the checks and balances within the Palantir if he's not really listening to anyone in the humanities department do they have a humanities department I don't even understand what that means. I was just searching now. Maybe he's referring colloquially to some other department that they do have. What would a humanities department do at Palantir? But sure, I don't know. Maybe there's some room for disagreement in there. But Karp seems like a guy that doesn't lack for confidence and that he's going to make a decision. He's going to execute it. And I think he'd be proud of that.

1:01:17But his point is fair that like, all right, you got 9 ,000 current and former employees. You're going to be able to find some that are critical of it. You know, whether or not, you know, people inside Palantir are critical of it. I think like basically the entire world is like, I wish this wasn't happening. Wish this company was not doing the things that this company is doing, but they're still doing it. So, and I think there is something to be said about like this, this bizarre era of the billionaire celebrity, the CEO celebrity with how comfortable all of these people who are doing, I think, objectively evil things around the world, doing public appearances like this, publicly defending themselves, trying to be celebrities to hype up, you know, their, their stocks and things like that.

1:02:04I think there's something deeply dark about that, in my view, because I feel like a long time ago in this country, we used to have billionaires sort of just mind their own business and just sort of fade into the background. And now it's like every single one of them has to be out in the public eye. They have to be celebrated. They have to be praised. They have to be viewed as some sort of like gods. And I think there's there's something extremely dystopian about that. The other thing worth mentioning is that CARP has been for a long time like a Democratic donor who backed Kamala Harris in 2024, which is just hilarious on so many different levels.

1:02:42He was against Donald Trump. He said he was voting against Donald Trump. And then Palantir has just been showered with contracts in the Trump era from Republicans, one big, beautiful bill and such. so it's all they're winning no matter what at the end of the day so he was a K-hiver? he was in the K-hive wow he was doing mass surveillance on the Bernie Bros maybe he made the K-hive he probably did but yeah to Mac's point there is this sort of like unimpeachableness about all these guys going out there I mean we had the Kalshi CEO who looks like a SoundCloud rapper saying that we're going to financialize like every aspect of your life.

1:03:27We've got Peter Thiel being like, I am not the Antichrist. Wink, wink, wink. Like, yeah, it seems like there are these terrible, terrible public advocates for their businesses that could only make you concerned or worried about the future, which is the exact opposite of what a spokesman should be for a company, which to me only kind of like exudes the fact that how unimpeachable, how kind of they have the whole keys to the kingdom here and they can say whatever the hell they want. Yeah, I mean, the Palantir is not going anywhere. And the reason I mentioned that is to say it's not going anywhere in a Dem administration either.

1:04:06Like it's Palantir is here to say the government is addicted to Palantir's analysis software. So that's that's our future. Should we listen to this? This last clip that we have of him, I guess, trying to portray Palantir as being a champion of the working class somehow. Let's go ahead and watch this last one. Maybe he watches War Room with Steve Bannon. In this country, you have 1 % of the country in prison, 1 % who were in prison and therefore have no rights. Do you know what happens to you when you go to prison? They take you away from your kids. You know who that happens to? Disproportionately working class, disproportionately black and Hispanic men and white men in the underclass.

1:04:55Where are the thousands of articles about them? Nobody cares, and they don't care because it does not either serve the ability, the desire to force me to vote for one party, which basically takes away all my power. That's effectually what it does. If I agree to say this is the worst thing in the world, I essentially have given up my vote. My vote is not for you. My vote is for these two issues. The second reason they don't care is because somehow no one has empathy with any of those people because none of us really deal with those people. At Palantir, we are a side of working class Americans. We support people who go to the military.

1:05:31We save their lives. We bring them home safer. Our AI actually makes workers more wealthy, more valuable. and the 10 to 15 million people that love me despite what's written, half of them made a lot of money on us. And you know what they're like? They're like people like me who think, you know what? We have to do better. Of course we have to do better. All right. I'm deeply confused about the transition that he just did there from like talking about, you know, the mass imprisonment of Americans to Palantir is on the side of the working class. We're making American workers wealthy because we are enriching the american military's capabilities to do warfare overseas i'm not i'm not really tracking the through line there ryan do you have any idea i mean ryan's ryan's like deep meditation on it i think we broke ryan uh yeah i mean he's yes i he's making people safer on the battlefield is his claim so that's one claim um ai is going to make workers more productive and therefore richer like i don't know how he all productivity gains have flowed to the top two people like alex carp over the last 40 50 years so i don't know what policy he's pitching that is going to actually break that so i don't i don't see how he can make that claim with a straight face and is he saying they help put the right people in prison as opposed to that's the part where like with mac i'm like i don't know what he's saying i mean maybe it's like you know larry ellison had said like when you know absolute master valance is everywhere then people will behave better um and maybe it's good that people behave i don't know like that i'm well he's it almost seemed like he was getting to like a there's a structural like racism problem with the the prison industrial complex or with policing but then it's like palantir is working with ice palantir is working with local police outfits so like aren't aren't you kind of reinforcing whatever structural issues that you see with that system like i'm i don't know they still see themselves as people who are disrupting those systems and making them better they've been doing that for a long time now so i don't know like that's what they've been doing what they've been doing for a long time so if they were making the system better, they would have to show significant structural evidence of improvement, I would say.

1:07:56I think it's pretty clear that what their technology does is make mass surveillance a lot easier. They will say it makes it a lot more in line or a lot more aligned with your constitutional rights and a lot more efficacious in ways that if it's more effective and it's more aligned with their constitutional rights, then how could you possibly be against what Palantir is doing? If it's not Palantir, it's going to be some worse type of actor, which I don't think is a great argument for Palantir, to be perfectly honest. There's also, he calls them Palantirians. There is this sort of almost like this like cult-like movement that he's trying to establish, right?

1:08:40If you're on our side, you're a Palantirian. I think that's very Silicon Valley post like Silicon Valley around like 2008, 2009. They were like Googlers and they were all doing that. Yeah, yeah. He does have some some coalition of like cultists that that support him and hype him up. So I think he is trying to directly feed into that and do sort of a performance for like a select group of the population that that enjoys hearing him cracked out in interviews like that. that's probably true. I think and I think there's some element to the idea that like, if your entire life is helping to facilitate, you know, blowing up Palestinian children and having, you know, helping ice to to ship families to overseas concentration camps, then like, maybe you do need to take the edge off every once in a while.

1:09:30Yep. Maybe they're helping like weigh the ice employees because there was that guy that got kicked out for being like 460 pounds we need an ice an ice weight database an ice obesity database oh i'm sure they have that i'm sure they have that um all right well i'm feeling uh as a member of the working class i'm feeling good and uh i think that will leave us here for the free half of the show we got big stories that we're saving for the second half for premium users we're getting into the battle between TPUSA and one singular Candace Owens. We're also maybe going to be, Ryan told me he's been doing a lot more research into the Olivia Nuzzi story, and we have an incredible Olivia Nuzzi impersonation from Emily, always ready on deck.

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