3/27/26: Trump Panic Delays Iran Attack, IDF Chief Says Military Collapsing, Abdul El-Sayed Interview, Jasper Nathaniel on West Bank

27:15Good luck with the Strait of Hormuz. Europeans, you guys figure it out. We got our own oil. We don't really need it. Goodbye. What would happen then? Like, do you think that the Iranians would take that as an opportunity to be like, you're really a way to go, guys? Good work. Let's negotiate an end to this and come to. I mean, how would that actually play out? Because that seems to me part of the problem is even if there was some performative, you know, operation that didn't end in mass death, which it is very likely to. And Trump was able to claim some sort of a victory. It doesn't seem at all clear to me that that comes close to ending the conflict.

27:52It depends on what Trump is willing to do alongside that. We don't know exactly what was in the kind of semi-formal response that the Iranians gave to the Americans yet. Hopefully we will over the next couple of days. But we know in general kind of what they've been asking for. They want permanent sanctions relief. And they want their sovereignty over Hormuz respected. And there's an enormous amount of kind of Iranian capital that is frozen, that they want unfrozen. They've been telling their population that they're demanding reparations and won't end the war until they get reparations for the girls' school and all the other assaults on civilian infrastructure.

28:35You can imagine a world where the unfreezing of those reserves counts as the reparations. Reparations? Or some sort of like sanctions relief or something like that, yeah. And then what do the guarantees look like for another attack? You know, what Iran keeps saying is that they don't trust guarantees anymore. The guarantee that they want is that Israel and the United States have felt so much pain that they don't want to touch the stove again. That they've been so burned that they're not doing this again for 20 years. and so they'd have to then calculate whether or not they've kind of burned them enough.

29:16But I do think it's possible, depending on what they agreed to, that if the U.S. declared victory left, you know, they also want the U.S. bases dismantled and they are currently dismantled. Like, we'd have to remantle them, rebuild those suckers and maybe, you know, and Iran would have a say in that. You know, if like you rebuild these, we'll start shooting at you again. So you can imagine a world where they do a great, but it's a humiliating set of concessions. Like the U.S. will have gone into war with a certain amount of treasure, a certain amount of weapon stocks, bases intact all across the region and Iran sanctioned, And then we'll be leaving the war with Iran unsanctioned and with our bases completely torched.

30:11And a lot of our military industrial base spent such that we're like stealing NATO's weapons and shipping them to the region. With all of the intelligence saying that, you know, China plans to absorb Taiwan in like, what, 27, 28, whatever it is. I saw, I wish I could give the person credit, but I saw a good post on X last night. Someone said TSMC is the straight of her moves of China. Yeah, except we actually, I think, more harmed potentially by, you know, the loss of TSMC. It's a matter of keeping the lights on, like infrastructure. Yeah, because we do, you know, we are a net energy exporter.

30:51Like, we do have some buffer on that front that the rest of the world does not, frankly, enjoy outside of, like, Russia and to some extent, actually, China. But, yeah, on the chips, I mean, we've completely we've completely fumbled on that. And, you know, with regard to the stratoform is obviously it's not just oil. It's we've talked about fertilizer, helium. There's, you know, food. There's all sorts of ways that this gets screwed up. And, you know, I think we all have a pretty good understanding of the way these things compound, given the experience with the combination of the Ukraine war and COVID.

31:25So, you know, the it seems like the market reality may be starting to set in. that even if Trump wants a taco, there is not a taco available to him at the moment. And, you know, I guess all the traders have started to realize that they all believe that this is not going to be possible and that the physical realities are going to set in. You know, I saw I was just looking at the markets. You know, they're still look, you know, everything's down this morning except oil, which is up. You've got, you know, the Brent is at$110, and you've got the WTI at$96.80, so almost even$100 a barrel for that, which is the domestic product.

32:10So in any case, it's not good, as we head in tier to the weekend. And I guess lastly, guys, before we move on, we can talk a little bit about TSA before we move on to to get Jasper Nathaniel in here. But there seemed to be it seemed almost certain that there was going to be some sort of a ground invasion this weekend. And Griffin, I mentioned now we've got like, oh, we're going to maybe bring in 10 ,000 war troops. There's already been troops that have been brought into the region, these Marines, the, you know, the paratroopers. But do you guys think that Trump's new deadline changes any of that strategy?

32:48I also saw they had huge storms in the region, at least like yesterday. That could be a factor in terms of any sort of significant military action. What are you guys feeling about the timeline? It's also the weather. Have you seen this? Yeah, that's what I was just mentioning. Yeah, the weather is really bad there right now. So I think that kind of shuts it down. They were even talking about tornadoes. Like, yeah. Very unusual for that region, I think. One other possibility to throw up before, if Jasper's not here yet, is this. At DropSite, we reported on these efforts by China to get Gwadar, which is, here, let me put it up just so people can see what we're talking about.

33:30So, right here, so here's a Pakistan-Iran border right here. If you look at Gwadar right here, it's right at the mouth of the gulf that then heads into kind of the Strait of Hormuz. And China has desperately wanted this port of Gwadar. And we are fueling an insurgency kind of in the Balok region of Pakistan here in the south. There's some Balok population over in Iran. we were hoping that we'd be able to fuel some cross-border violence we haven't been able to do that so maybe we maybe we just try to like seize with the pakistanis say like we're taking guadar um and china you're like you're out of there um and that's the win because that because that because that gives us some then ability ability to project power back towards hormuz yeah um i've I heard some people kicking that around.

34:28It doesn't really make any sense, but, like, they need something. I listened to an interview with Trita and John Mearsheimer this morning, and Trita was floating that there's a few islands that are, like, contested between Iran and UAE. And that maybe that—and that was one of the things that was floated in that Axios report. Or maybe the idea is like to take those islands for UAE because the other Gulf countries agree with, you know, UAE's assessment that these rightfully belong to them. And so it would like make your Gulf allies happy. You could claim some sort of win. Again, it's in sort of a strategic position.

35:03It doesn't really change anything in terms of your ability to reopen the Strait of Hormuz and do what you want with it. But perhaps that's like the win that they could claim. I don't know. It seems kind of far-fetched to me that any of this is going to really be convincing. Iran said if they try that, they're going to just flatten Dubai. Like, make like what they've been doing to it so far look like pinpricks. Ryan, have you seen these threats also of like the Iranians saying maybe they'll change the borders in the region, threatening to basically like annex UAE and Bahrain? Yeah. And yeah, they're feeling good in that sense.

35:41Like, I don't suspect that they're actually going to do that, but that's the That's the point that they're at. And like, you know, Bahrain has a pretty pro-Iranian population. Yeah. Dubai is like, it never, I never quite understood why Dubai felt so comfortable and confident in all of its saber rattling against Iran. Like, are you insane? Like, just for people's, just to remind people, put this back up. Like, does anybody have a map? Like, when they do this, like, look at Dubai. And look at Iran. Like, you think you're going to, like, bully this, like, gigantic mountainous country that's just, like, just across the strait here?

36:32And then, yeah, here's Bahrain right over here. it's like the level of overconfidence here that they could just do this with impunity, I guess reflected a real confidence in the invincibility of the U.S. security umbrella. Shield, yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, I think they were really confident that the Iranian government would totally collapse. I guess. I don't know. I mean, they have to realize, you would think there would be some reckoning with reality. I mean, these are these family monarchies that we prop up. I was just looking it up to make sure my numbers were correct. The entire Emirati population, like the citizen population, is about a million people.

37:13OK, they make up in their own country. They make up about 10 percent of the population. It's overwhelmingly either like rich foreigners or this indentured servant labor force from around the region. And so, yeah, I mean, you're not really in a position to you don't have a strong hand to play here. And obviously their whole brand and economic model is built on the the idea, the mirage that it's completely safe. And, you know, you can park your capital here and you can have your luxury vacation here. And like that's their whole thing. And already that's basically shattered and potentially irreparably so.

37:55We do have breaking news, by the way. Let me put this on the screen. Chuck Schumer, as we're recording this, just announced it looks like they do indeed have a deal. He says, quote, after weeks of negotiations, Republicans caved to our demands to fund DHS without a blank check for ICE and CBP. His full statement says in the wake of the murders of Renee Good and Alex Prady, Senate Democrats were clear. No blank check for a lawless ICE and Border Patrol. He goes on to say, I'm very proud of our Democratic caucus. Through it all, Senate Democrats stood united. No wavering, no backing down. We held the line.

38:30And just a, I don't know if clarification is the right word on this, but basically Democrats are getting nothing because, I mean, they're in the minority. So they got their public stand. But what Republicans are now doing is threatening to fund ICE in perpetuity, not quite perpetuity, but at an even higher level in the reconciliation package that's going to come up. So a moral victory, perhaps, for Democrats who managed to keep the government shut down for a long time and make the stand as Chuck Schumer invokes Alex Prady and Renee Good literally in the first paragraph. But make no mistake, Republicans are now going to put a lot of funding in the reconciliation package that's coming up.

39:15Also not a huge win for Republicans either who are in the majority and weren't able to keep their own priorities. If you put that statement back up, there's an exquisitely Democratic line there at the bottom of it. And this, you know, this belongs to, this victory belongs to workers, really. The TSA workers did an illegal wildcat, you know, sick out. They all called in sick at once, kind of in a semi-organized fashion, and really put pressure on both parties here. But the line at the bottom here, they say, where's the line about the militia? We held firm in our opposition to Donald Trump's rogue and deadly militia should not get more funding without serious reforms.

40:02So he has it. So Donald Trump has a rogue and deadly militia. We're not giving him money yet. And the Democrats want to reform it. Just just just a few reforms. If that rogue, deadly militia just had better training, right? Body cams on your rogue and deadly militia. On your rogue, deadly militia. Yes. Yeah. So at least the line should go back to normal. That's what's important. I saw House Speaker Mike Johnson at an event last night talking about the golden age. Like he invented some new award or something. He was at some event where there was a new award being given out. It was like, do you have to ask me?

40:37These boomers and their freaking awards, man. Well, he's not even a boomer. I think he's Gen X. They get upset, but he knows who he's, what audience he's playing to. But just to take a glimpse at the political instincts of Republican leadership right now, to be talking about the golden age when you have lines for TSA that are during spring break and Easter, five hours long at major airports. That is a new level of stupid. I mean, even for them, it's atrocious. Yeah. And gas probably hitting. Is it at four dollars average yet this morning? I can take a look at AAA. Ryan, real quick, if you can update us on what happened with the since we're talking about Democratic incompetence and cowardice, what happened with the War Powers resolution and what the latest is there.

41:25Yeah, it looks like they're going to punt until mid-April. And so the reason that we're even discussing a War Powers Resolution is that Josh Gottheimer and the kind of pro-war tiny faction put forward a counter War Powers Resolution to Ro Khanna and Massey's in the beginning. because they were saying, you know, this is a very common tactic up on Capitol Hill where something is getting momentum that has actual substance and people who are trying to derail it will try to create some weaker vehicle that people can then glom onto that doesn't do anything but still captures the kind of public anger.

42:05So they put out this War Powers Resolution that said, oh, the war has to end within 30 days or something. And Khan and Masks were like, no, we're talking about today. So they didn't end up voting on Gottheimers. But once they were done with Kana and Massey's, Gottheimers was sitting there. And so then there was pressure put as the, I think it was March 31st or something is the deadline for when this resolution says the war should end. They said, well, let's vote on this one. And so then they agreed, okay, fine. You know, because they had introduced it. And they're kind of stuck. It's like, this is yours.

42:41How are you going to be against your thing? They forgot that time moves forward and that eventually they'd be stuck. And so they lost, what, three Democrats, three or four Democrats on the last one. And if those at all flipped, they would have won. Since then, Massey is still a yes. I talked to Warren Davidson yesterday. He said he's still a yes. And I actually reached out to Nancy Mays, who had said that she was for it. and Democrats were saying, well, we don't trust Nancy Mace. You know, she talks a big game, but then she doesn't actually vote the way she's talking. Mace said that, Mace told me that she had not heard from Democrats.

43:27So if Democrats are actually concerned, like they could actually reach out to her. Now, Massey has been in contact with her, I've been told. So whether or not she's going to actually, how she would vote, okay, we don't know. there happens to be a mechanism where you can determine how somebody will vote on something and you go to the house floor voting uh there was this it maybe i don't know if i can find it quick enough um our we do have to get to jasper in a second our intern okay yeah lilyana franks um our our capitol hill intern got greg meeks in the hallway twice um and said you know why are you Why are you going to punt this until April?

44:10It looks like she has the votes. And he says, well, you go talk to these Republicans. Go talk to them. And you come back and tell me if they're going to vote for it. And so she's like, well, Mace, Davidson, and Massey, like, they all say they're going to vote for it. He's like, ah, whatever. Go ask him again. Go ask him again. They just don't want to vote until the war's over. Until it doesn't matter. Yeah. You know, their argument is we want to win, and we're not sure that we have the votes yet. And we want to be sure. So people can decide for themselves how credible they think that is and why they think all of a sudden mid-April they're going to have the votes.

44:50If you haven't even talked to Mace yet, what are you doing between now and mid-April? To secure anyone's votes. What are you doing? Yeah. All right. Well, let's. Muskowitz's interest, Jared Muskowitz, he was one of the first opponents of this, and then he came around to it. And then he announced on Wednesday that his wife was having routine surgery and he wasn't going to be in Washington again until like mid-April. Hmm. It's like, hmm. Well, he has a primary challenger, so he may be feeling the heat. Shout out to Oliver Larkin. Yes, indeed. All right. Sherlock. It looks like it's not going to happen unless there's like a furious pressure today.

45:31It looks like it's not going to happen. Okay. Well, on that note, let's get to Jasper Nathaniel, who's going to give us some updates on the West Bank. Jasper, how's it going? Hey. So Jasper Force is independent journalist and author of the Infinite Jazz Substack and great friend of the show and great friend of DropSite. Great to see you, Jasper. You too. So just start by giving us a little bit of an update. Obviously, there's ongoing terror campaigns from settlers backed by the Israeli government in the West Bank. But there's been a recent spike in violence. What is the latest? Well, the latest is that the settlers are doing what they're being told by their government, basically.

46:22You know, the spike in settler violence, it started years ago. It started actually before October 7th when this new government came in and had all these settlers like Smutrich and Ben Gavir in these leadership positions who immediately empowered the settlers. Then after October 7th, they started using, you know, security justifications and started arming and deploying settlers as sort of like what they called regional defense battalions. I would say the latest surge comes with the start of the new war in Iran where, I mean, it's hard to say if the settlers feel that people are not watching them.

47:02I think it's more just a sort of like jingoistic feeling of, you know, Israel is fighting. So we're going to do some more fighting now. But the very latest explosion in violence in just the last week actually came after a young settler, an 18-year-old settler, was killed in some sort of a car accident or potentially a car ramming attack. And so, but I think the details of what happened here are really important because basically these two young settlers set out from an outpost to go on what they call a land patrol. Now, to understand what a land patrol is, it first helps to understand what is this outpost.

47:50So if you go to the outpost's crowdfunding page where they raise money, including from the family of the young man who was killed, it says explicitly they are there to be the spearhead of activities that are meant to expel Palestinians from the land and spread Jewish presence across the West Bank. And so the settlers don't hide the fact that when they build these outposts, it is for the explicit goal of expelling Palestinians and just creating Jewish territory. At the funeral of the young man who was killed, a friend of his said the same thing. He said Yehuda was on a strategic mission, one of the most important missions for Israel, to expel Palestinians from the land.

48:33And when you listen to the settler leaders when they talk about what these land patrols are for, it is, again, it's not to maintain stability or keep the peace. They say we are out there trying to generate friction. In other words, they are trying to incite a response from the Palestinians that they will then use to justify a sort of massive show of force. And so this young man was killed on Saturday. It's unclear, to be fair. I mean, I've looked at all the evidence, and it's just impossible to say right now if it was in fact an accident or if it was a ramming attack. But even if we assume that it was a ramming attack, that is what the settlers are out there agitating for, is to be attacked in some way to then justify exactly what happened after, which was that the settler leaders all came out and started explicitly calling for revenge for the murder of Yehuda, the one who his own father at his funeral called him a sacrifice for the settlement movement.

49:36So now they all go out and call for revenge. Smotrich actually goes up at the funeral and he says specifically, we will now settle all of Judea and Samaria. We are going to erase the letters of the Oslo Accords as in areas A, B, and C. And then what follows is the settlers go and follow that command. They go out and they start creating new outposts. They go into areas A, B, and C. And in doing this, they're attacking Palestinians. Just yesterday, settlers who were setting up a new outpost shot and killed a Palestinian. And so, you know, there's this sort of line that people say, which is like the Israeli government is enabling this violence or they're not cracking down on the violence.

50:15But that is actually really understating it because they are directly coordinating it. They are funding it. They are arming it. And ultimately, like it is a state project. And so the settlers, you know, sometimes their actions become too grotesque for even sort of Israel supporters to defend and they come out and they condemn it. But then the next day, quietly below the headlines, Israel is sending money to these illegal outposts. It is retroactively legalizing them. So to answer your question, Crystal, in a more succinct way, what we're seeing is an explosion in settler violence exactly as the settlement movement is designed and planned at the highest levels of the Israeli government.

51:01And you mentioned the alphabet and the Oslo Accords. I wanted to put this up really quickly. Description here. In the past 24 hours, you know, five new settlement outposts were erected, three in Area A, one in Area B, one in Area C. Deliberate placement where once the Oslo Accords drew lines, no more. And so the message is delivered plainly. The National Court of Justice has spoken. The finding is clear. Israel's presence is unlawful. The response is clear. Still, it will not be complied with. It will not be enforced. So what do these, like, what do these settlements look like? You know, what can you inherit?

51:34Maybe I can, like, maybe I can put this up while you're talking. But like, can you explain to people what this area A, B, and C are and why it's significant that they're planning to wipe it out? And maybe, Jasper, also like what it looks like if you're – what it physically is like for people going between. Yeah, so area A, B, and C is from the Oslo Accords or the Oslo II Accords actually in the mid – early and mid-90s. And the idea was the West Bank remained Palestinian land under an Israeli military occupation. So it was not transferring ownership of the land into Israeli hands. What it was doing was dividing up the West Bank in terms of who would administer and govern different parts of it.

52:21And so Area A remained entirely in the hands of the Palestinian Authority, which means that the PA ostensibly has control over things like, you know, basic municipal functions like, you know, waste management and, you know, paying the salaries of public school teachers and things like that, but also security as well. So Area A traditionally has been off limits for Israeli settlers. Area B is sort of a split. It's technically the administrative function is the Palestinian Authority. Security is a combination of the IDF and the PA. And then Area C is entirely under Israeli control, even though there are lots of Palestinians who live in Area C.

53:14Now, for a long time, these illegal outposts, which is basically when settlers – to answer your question, Emily, it's when settlers peel off from a settlement. They go into Palestinian land where they are not supposed to be. And they basically plant an Israeli flag, put up a tent, bring in like a couple of containers. And if all goes to plan for them, it basically metastasizes and it grows and more settlers move in. And then eventually, you know, they get they start getting money from the state. And the idea would be that at some point the state actually retroactively recognizes it as a legal formal settlement.

53:56And so, you know, that's important because the message to these settlers who are breaking Israeli law by going out and creating outposts is if you stick it out for long enough, we will authorize you and turn you into a real settlement. And you'll start getting money and funds and, you know, construction paid for by the state and armed. Too big to fail. And so the project of expelling Palestinians from Area C and turning it into all Jewish land has been remarkably successful in the last couple of years, basically. And so what you're seeing now is the settlers are setting their sights higher and they're going into Area B and even more notably into Area A, where traditionally they did not go at all.

54:43And, again, this is explicitly what the highest members of the government have been calling for them to do. And it's also not just what they've been calling for them to do. In February, you may remember, there were these cabinet decisions that said that the Israeli military is now allowed to go into areas A and B for things like environmental protection and protecting heritage. So they have already created all these sort of formal pretenses for the military to be able to go into areas A and B. And now the settlers are following suit and they are fulfilling the plan of the Smotrichs of the world of just erasing the Oslo lines and taking over the entire West Bank.

55:29To that point, Jasper, the IDF chief warned about some of the things to talk about here. The IDF is on the verge of collapse after 900 straight days, of course, because reservists are being sent to Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, West Bank, and there's no ultra-Orthodox conscription laws that have been passed. But also, the cabinet has approved, like you said, legalization of dozens of more outposts and farms in the West Bank, requiring additional troops to protect them, as well as Jewish national terrorism is surging there. So it seems like these West Bank expansions have been, you know, draining what little reserves they have left.

56:12Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, your audience probably knows that a lot of people basically attribute the ability of Hamas and other Palestinian militants to so easily break through the border with Gaza on October 7th. They attribute that to the fact that so much of the IDF was in the West Bank protecting settlements. And it should be said that the military, the IDF, is actually obligated to protect settlers wherever they go in the West Bank. And so, you know, to be fair to the IDF, I mean, there are – I have encountered foot soldiers there, not necessarily like commanders. But I've encountered people on the ground who basically – at least they seem like they can't stand the settlers because they are causing problems for them.

57:02They're constantly going into Palestinian villages, and then it's just a hassle for the soldiers to have to go and defend them. And it's not to say that, you know, this is because they're benevolent and they care about the Palestinians, but, like, it's a pain in the ass for them. They're causing them problems. But what's happening now with the military is that, you know, the higher levels of the military, what's called the Central Command, which oversees the West Bank, is now becoming more ideologically aligned with the settler movement. And so there is much less resistance to go and, you know, defend these settlers when they go off on these little excursions to create outposts across areas A, B, and C.

57:39You know, in the case of the, who was that, Griffin, who said that? Was that Zamir or was that Avi Bluth? Let me try to look into that while you talk. Because, like, say the IDF chief of staff. Okay. Yeah, I think that was Zamir. I mean, he has sort of taken a position. of, you know, being, he's one of these guys that comes out and condemns the settler violence. Zemir. And, yeah, and that is, you know, like the politically expedient thing to do, both on the national and the international, or mostly on the international level, because people don't like, in general, to see these videos of these sort of feral, masked settlers, you know, beating innocent Palestinians.

58:23He takes this position that, you know, it's a problem. What I've heard, Jasper, is that a lot of these kids are coming out of the foster care program and kind of being groomed into just then becoming violent in these areas. What did you discover while you were over there about these kids? Like, so often it looks like 15, 16, 17-year-old, just angry adolescent, like lunatic, like crazy-looking kids. Well, they're all over the map. I mean, some of them are, you know, were troubled kids in Israel who were who were basically adopted by an outpost that had registered itself as some sort of a foster home.

59:00And then they become they're, you know, basically conscripted into this this holy war on Palestinians, which I think we could all agree is basically child abuse. But some of them are homegrown. Exactly. Some of them are homegrown. I mean, Yehuda Sherman, the 18-year-old who was killed, his father just did an interview with a settler newspaper where he was boasting about the fact that when he was 11 years old, he was going out on his own into the hills to reinforce them. So we're talking about an 11-year-old whose parents are sending him out to do land patrols, which again is ultimately to provoke Palestinians into a violent response.

59:38And so, you know, a lot of these guys that you see and like I've encountered lots of settlers on, you know, land patrols. What it basically means is it's like it's like when when me and my and my brother were young and, you know, I would get right in his face and like go like this and be like, I'm not touching you. I'm not touching you. And you wait for him to respond. And then you can say he hit me. I mean, that that is literally what they are doing. And and again, it makes sense when you think about it. It was like, these are punks. These are, you know, troubled kids who, you know, were not raised right, basically.

1:00:09That's what they're out there doing. And then eventually, listen, like, you know, Smotrich grew up as one of these kids. So did Ben Gavir. And, you know, I don't think we're going to excuse what they've become now. But, I mean, it's just to say that, like, this has been their entire lives. They are born and raised in this environment where, like you said, they're child soldiers, basically. Well, Jasper, I was going to ask because I think this is one of the interesting undercurrents that doesn't get enough attention, you mentioned how there's more ideological alignment within the IDF and the settler movement.

1:00:39I wanted to ask if you could tell us a little bit of, like, just give us more background on that. Like, why has that happened recently? Why does it seem like that's grown recently? Yeah, well, just to sort of take a step back, I mean, you know, the IDF as like an institution, think of it as an, you know, an institution the same way that like the U.S., the Pentagon is its own sort of institution distinct from, you know, the executive in some way. So as an institution, it has not always been ideologically aligned with the settlement movement. And in fact, for decades, there were open clashes between soldiers and settlers in the West Bank because the soldiers were interested in ruling with an iron fist and sort of maintaining stability in the West Bank, whereas the settlers were, like I said, agitating for war.

1:01:26And so there were actual fights. You know, there's these videos you see of settlers going and like tearing down, excuse me, soldiers going and tearing down outposts and the settlers throwing tantrums and fighting back. Over the years, I mean, that still happens from time to time, I should say. But the leadership of the military have been installed as, you know, they've been handpicked as people who are aligned with the settler movement. So, you know, Smotrich, what he did to basically foment this was he installed himself in the defense ministry. He created a new position. He called it Additional Minister in the Ministry of Defense.

1:02:08He then, within the defense ministry, created something called the Settlement Administration. And what it was was basically a shadow government to oversee the West Bank still within the auspices of the military because it's a military occupation. So by international law, it has to be governed by the military. So now you have the settlement administration, which is technically a branch of the defense department, of the defense ministry, which is overseen by an extremist ideological settler, Smotrich. And he has just installed his cronies into all these positions of power there. And that has seeped into the actual, like, the central command to the fighting arm of the military as well.

1:02:52And so, you know, like Avi Bluth is an interesting character. He is the head of the Central Command, which basically means he's like the general in charge of the West Bank. He is one of these guys that is constantly coming out and condemning the violent settlers. He always makes a big show of it. In fact, like a week ago, he sent a letter basically saying how the violent settlers were putting all of Israel at risk. What he's doing quietly behind the scenes is he – this was reported from within the military in an Israeli paper in Ynet. He has a henchman, a guy who reports directly to him, that goes and visits these outposts when they're formed.

1:03:33He works directly with the leader of the outpost to make sure they have an armed guard, to make sure they have the logistical support that they need, and to basically help them map out how they're going to expand and how they will have, you know, reinforcements from the military. And so it's all this sort of out of one side of their mouth, they condemn the violence. Out of the other side, they're working directly with the settlers to help them expand. And it's clearly just a state project. Well, speaking of condemning the violence, me and Ryan have been wondering online over this week, American politicians have all of a sudden started condemning the West Bank violence.

1:04:10We've been seeing Zionists, liberal Zionists, Democrat politicians and all sorts of people over the last week or so come out and say, these West Bank settlers have to stop. We have to condemn this violence. And even people that are very staunch Zionists, people like Emily Schrader and others who are, you know, the talking heads on Piers Morgan that have been laundering so much of the Israeli genocide. They're like, no, this is actually where we stopped. It seems like some sort of like call went out that this is the time to talk about it. And I don't know if, Ryan, if you want to add any more to that point.

1:04:49Yeah, you got Richie Torres, Stan Goldman, and then AIPAC itself, after a couple of days, put out its own statement saying this has to stop. This is outrageous. Yeah. In such a way that before AIPAC came out with its statement, people were like, oh, this seems coordinated like a memo went out. Like it is time to do a ritual round of denouncing of settlers. And then AIPAC came out and go, yeah, there's the memo. Yeah. So, yeah, how do we understand this round of denunciations from Richie Torres and others who have said that any criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic, yet here they come? Like, what's going on here?

1:05:38So I'm just going to come out and say, like, I'm not convinced it was coordinated. I mean, it's certainly possible that it was, but it's actually not it's actually nothing new that, you know, liberal Zionists, particularly Democrats, will condemn settler violence. And it's a good point. You didn't have a whole lot of Republican Zionists. There's some Christians I saw, like I saw Rod Dreher and some other Christians come out. Well, I mean, look, I mean, what what they're what liberal Zionism is sort of, you know, the one of the tenants that it's built on is the idea of a two state solution being the, you know, the solution to this.

1:06:16To have a two state solution, you obviously need the West Bank to be part of the Palestinian state or at least part of the West Bank to be the Palestinian state. The settlers from the very beginning, from, you know, 67 and certainly up to the present, are just shouting as loud as they can, there will never be a Palestinian state here. And we are going to make sure of that by creating facts on the ground, by, you know, building settlements across the West Bank. And so what they're doing is just like literally, you know, they're going to the people who are saying there's going to be a two-state solution.

1:06:48And they're like, yeah, just try. Try us. And so, you know, when you think about it like that, the settlement movement, not even just the violent settlers, but the settlement movement as a whole is a really big political problem for liberal Zionists because they are, you know, precluding the opportunity for the two-state solution, which liberal Zionism depends on. And so it's not that difficult of a position to come out and condemn, you know, these violent settlers who are just like viscerally, you know, we don't like looking at them. We don't like seeing what they're doing. And politically, they are, you know, trying to wipe out the possibility of this two-state solution.

1:07:38Once the two-state solution is off the table, which I think materially it is, but it's still sort of used as a rhetorical and political tool. But once it's off the table, it's much more difficult to just sort of unconditionally support Israel. And so, you know, I think that, you know, Dan Goldman or Richie Torres, when they come out and condemn settler violence, what they're basically doing is like releasing, you know, pressure from this machine that allows them to just provide unconditional support for Israel. This is their sort of plausible deniability, their way of saying like, well, we're not going to defend, you know, the worst of what they're doing.

1:08:14You know, we still need to, you know, have an idea of a two-state solution in order to take our pro-Israel positions. And so I think, I mean, to me, it looked kind of like a chain reaction. I mean, the videos were getting really bad and one guy came out and condemned and then another one. And then the Israeli leaders started condemning and then AIPAC came out and did it. It's certainly possible there was a memo, but it should just be said that, like, this is not actually new. I mean, the settlement movement is generally not supported even by liberal Zionists in America. The problem is, you know, these people are not willing to actually do what needs to be done to put a stop to it, which would be, you know, an ultimatum to the Israeli government.

1:09:00unless you, you know, stop funding the settlers, unless you start evacuating these outposts. And in my mind, it would be evacuating, you know, hundreds of thousands of settlers, actually. Unless you do that, you're not getting another dollar from us. But they're not going to do that. Instead, what the Goldman's and the Richie Torres do is keep on telling the Israeli government, the ones who are behind the settlement movement, to get the settlers in line, which is just, you know, ridiculous on its face.

1:09:26Yeah. And it's also like, I mean, I think the reason me and Ryan felt it was maybe slightly more coordinated this time is because there was new faces doing it. Like, I think we had, uh, was it Chris Cuomo came out and was like WTF. And it's like, where, where you been, man? Like this has been going on for quite a while. Um, and then like, I mentioned Emily Schrader, uh, and it's, it's, there's kind of just a dissonance between, you know, like what you're willing to defend and allow. I mean, she said this is wrong, But, you know, I do have her husband here in Israel posing with some of the rapists from the Settam prison rape riot where they're, you know, bringing them on and showing them around on Israeli TV.

1:10:15So, you know, it's interesting what this is to me. It's like, yeah, I mean, that is it's almost I mean, it's sort of a perfect illustration of the way that a good liberal Zionist will, you know, come out and say one thing and then go and and do another. Because if you are supporting the Israeli government in any way right now, just to be very clear about it, if you're supporting the Israeli government, you're supporting a completely lawless, rogue government that is supporting these violent militias who have complete impunity. They have arms from the government. They have money. They have housing.

1:10:59They have tax subsidies. They get everything they need from the government who are going out and committing this violence. And so, like, it is really just – I mean, the reason, frankly, that I often appreciate The Settler so much just from a sort of reporting perspective is because they don't hide these things. They just come out and say it. I mean, it's amazing to watch like Leo Leibovitz, who is an editor at large for Tablet, which at one time was a sort of, you know, nominally respectable Jewish publication, wrote this long post where he basically said, you know, the settler violence is really a response to Palestinian aggression.

1:11:39And the settlers, on the other hand, are like, no, no, we're going into their communities and provoking them and trying to get them to be violent towards us. And the Louis Thoreau documentary that came out last year just had some like incredible moments. I mean, I have so many just like, I mean, when you when you I had a settler say to me a couple of years ago when I was I was telling him about my own experience in this town called Sebastia, where the soldiers came in and were just completely belligerent, like shooting into the air, into the ground, pointing their weapons at us, throwing us around.

1:12:18And I asked him, like, do you think that that is helpful? Like, do you think that that is, you know, helping to maintain stability? And what he said to me was, do you think that it was helpful for the U.S. military to go into Iraq and, you know, make sure that, you know, they were not able to, you know, use a nuclear weapon on the United States? And I thought that he was actually taking my side for a second. And then I realized the point he was making was that it's good that the U.S. military was in Iraq because then we were able to stop them from launching their nuclear weapon. And so, you know, that is the reality that they're living in, one in which, like, you need to be in all of these Palestinian communities, you know, terrorizing people and roughing them up to make sure that they can't launch their imaginary, you know, in the case of Iraq, their imaginary nuclear weapon at us.

1:13:14In the case of these many times quiet Palestinian communities, like there's there's no armed resistance there whatsoever. So it's just entirely they are there to be a permanent military occupation and to terrorize people. All right. Well, Jasper, thank you so much for giving us the download on all of that and for staying on top of this topic for us. Where can more people? Crystal had to run to something else. She was not angered. Crystal left in protest. Just to be clear. Crystal left to go settle the West Bank. Okay, good. Yeah, I mean, you know, please, you know, consider subscribing to my sub-sag, Infinite Jazz, just J-A-Z.

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1:14:34Okay. That's going to do it for us for this half of the show. let's head on over to the second half if you want to check that out ask us questions all that good stuff breakingpoints.com we'll see you over there in just a moment all right what's up dorks uh that's gonna lead right into this first clip here on this side of the show um you gotta get fired for that apparently apparently MAGA is dorks now according to one Joseph Rogan let's take a listen the phrase make america great again i don't care then fine that phrase suck here's the thing like first of all america is great with make america greater i'm down but make america great again and then it becomes a movement of a bunch of fucking dorks a lot of these really weird fucking uninteresting unintelligent people that have got something they cling to and there's a lot of people that are just real genuine patriots.

1:15:32They're all lumped into this one group and you got to accept the dorks too. Fuck that. I can't tell you how funny this is. Emily, where on the roster of MAGA do you think Joe Rogan has encountered the dork MAGA? Like, who do you think he's referring to there? Well, what's so funny about this is a year ago when doge was happening. MAGA was on the top of the world. Yes. Yes. New York Magazine was framing MAGA as the quote, cruel kids club. And that birthed a million think pieces about how conservatives became cool. And I'm telling you, as somebody who sat through dozens of panels about how, like at CPAC over the years, about how to make conservatives cool, that always made you want to die.

1:16:22I have so many stories about this, but it was an obsession of the right for years about how they couldn't own culture and how the right couldn't be ever perceived as cool. Did it matter or not? Should the right get into Hollywood? Everyone like, oh, the, what was it? The Lincoln Society of Conservative Hollywood. We've got some people in there. They've infiltrated. I can't tell you how funny it is to see that all come crashing down because it was built on the MAGA house of cards, the like Trump house of cards that the Trump had this vibe shift post Butler where it was real. Like it actually, that was genuinely real.

1:17:06All of these like different people were like, that guy's a badass. And there was like six months where MAGA was at the top of the world because the American people were so sick of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. Democrats had this like ailing, well, octogenarian, almost octogenarian as the president of the United States who couldn't complete a sentence. And juxtaposed with that, yeah, Trump and Elon Musk to some people seemed cool. And younger people post-COVID were interested in different ideas. And I was sitting back watching this thinking for the Republican Party, that's not sustainable. That's just not sustainable because I don't even think it's sustainable for any political party.

1:17:51We all remember when Obama came into office on the hope and change mantle. And we look back on that 10 years later, or what, 15 years later, and I was like, those guys were a bunch of dorks in rock the vote shirts.

1:18:06Like Well, it's dorky because people have to now put on team jerseys. And when you're putting on team jerseys, it makes you not cool because that means you're going to obscure the truth and you're not going to be interested in like transparency. And this is an era of very low institutional trust. So repping an institution is not going to be cool ever, ever. I just don't understand why. I don't know. I mean, I don't. Did people really think MAGA was cool? Honest to God. Like, that's a real question. I don't know. know what do you who do you think it is ryan who do you think joe is being triggered by here is it the cash patel hockey locker room videos is it the white house government tweets like where where does rogan finding this dork factor from the the irony of course is that my mind goes immediately to elon musk yeah right like the one guy he still likes who's still on rogan maybe it's cash patel and it's like chugging his bud light or whatever um maybe i don't i don't know but yeah what's going on is he like i saw a clip from cpac um where you got it right here roll that one yeah i are we talking about this young kid yeah well now this guy this guy reads same thing yeah but and this guy visually this is central casting for dork so let's hear direct from the dorks i just i get the vibe a lot of people i knew who just wrote for trump because i thought it was cool in like high school or just now just being like yeah i can't yeah so this is it was transgressive against the dominant culture of the time which was as ryan wrote about uh in elephant in the Zoom was this increasingly rigid ideological conformity pushed by, you know, everywhere from Wall Street with ESG to the media referring to people as against their will as Latinx.

1:20:10And so it was transgressive to support Trump. And so I guess to answer my own question, there's a moment where that could have been perceived as like genuinely cool because there was something like, again, subversive, anti-establishment, whether or not you believe that, you know, Trump ended up getting inaugurated with all of the tech CEOs behind him, which the question at the time in my mind is, is this him saying I have conquered you or is this him saying you have conquered me? And we know how it turned out. And if you know anything about politics, you probably could have guessed how it turned out.

1:20:43But I think there was for a lot of young people who were around in the COVID period and like cultural tastemakers who were around in the COVID period, this moment where there was catharsis. And Griffin, you would know about these vibes. Like in California, there was this, and you were probably in New York at the time, but like you could, there was this something that was like artistic catharsis to be found in Trump being the most unusual, like unusual place to project that onto. I mean, yeah, that's a whole other bag of worms It has to do with a lot of like specific entertainment industry issues.

1:21:20But yeah, I mean, where does this go now that they're not cool anymore? I'm not sure. And I'm specifically interested in Rogan. And, you know, Rogan's a little late to this because there's a few other people whose fingers were a little more to the wind on this. Andrew Schultz has been coming out sort of against the Trump movement a little bit quicker and people like that. So we'll be interested to see where these guys go next. and is it then are they I mean I don't know if they're going to flip or if a lot of these guys are just going to remove themselves from politics because like if it's like another Democrat standard bearer I don't see them being like oh no this is counterculture I think they're just not going to vote now what do you think Ryan well Fuentes is telling his people to vote Democratic oh right to mess with them yeah like what's so amazing is that Trump did all of this to himself like Right now we're seeing some like catastrophically hot weather and we're looking at maybe, you know, historic drought conditions throughout much of the Mountain West and then Southwest.

1:22:29So like we're had, there's going to be some external pressure on the Trump administration. But other than that, he's had a remarkably smooth glide through this first year plus. all of the problems that he has, either the chaos around the tariffs, the multiple wars, like the ice violence around the country, like these are all the product of his decisions. This is not a Katrina that he's failing to respond to effectively. It's his own stuff, which to me makes him a kind of uniquely bad president. Like he's mishandling the crises that he is producing. And so, yeah, people are like, all right, you know, this is not cool.

1:23:15Like, this is not transgressive. Like, this is actually making my life much more difficult. In our poll a week ago, we had like half the country was saying that they thought the Iran war would make their life more difficult. And that was a week ago. I think you probably see 60, 70 % at this point. Now, gas in DC is up to like 450. A lot of people are looking at oil prices, But like what people care about is what that what the number says at the pump and then how that filters through prices when it comes to plastic grocery prices, which are heavily fueled by the price of plastic, actually. And then if we start seeing shortages of stuff, like COVID-style shortages, but not driven by an external event like COVID, driven by Trump's own decision.

1:24:08So, yeah. And my theory of this has always been that the right was reading too much into the extent to which Rogan and others rallying around Trump was much more anti-left than pro-right. So it wasn't as though people were like, we love Liberation Day tariffs. We can't wait to be liberated by these tariffs. We love mass deportations. We can't wait to see them. It was more F that like, and this has been, yeah, like the CPAC set and like I've literally spoken at CPAC and it's, it's, it's even worse than it's ever been before. Like it's bad. It's genuinely a sign that the conservative movement, the energy has been sucked out of the conservative movement, just as everyone thought the conservative movement had been inflated by MAGA to its record level of momentum and size.

1:25:00And that was always a mistake because so much of what was pumping it up. We see this in the debate over Israel. Megyn Kelly has pushed back. Who else has pushed back on this MAGA label? I'm trying to think of another good example. She said, I'm not MAGA. I'm MAGA adjacent. I'm an independent. I've voted for both parties in presidential elections my whole life. And I think people were like lumping Rogan in with actual MAGA and Megan in with actual MAGA and other people in with actual MAGA and assumed we won because now people are they're all MAGA. It's like, no, they're anti-left more than they are MAGA.

1:25:40That's the big priority that drew people to them. So anyway. Very interesting. And even now, a new Fox News poll has the country, you know, the country was against the war, but kind of, you know, in the beginning, the public is ready to support war in general. So the fact that he was only at like 50-50 was not good news for him. New Fox News poll has 57 percent against, 41 percent approving. And so he's even underwater on the war itself. The effects of the war, he's way underwater. Yeah. And I do also think there might be a Charlie Kirk element to all of this because Charlie was, for lack of a better word, like cool within the movement.

1:26:24And then when he was gone, there's been a lot of woke scolding, a lot of arguments about his character, what he believed, what he didn't. And then the establishment tried to replace him with Brillin Hollyhan. So the. Oh, isn't it Brylin? Whatever. The trajectory has been incredibly dorkish. Who is like going around campuses and being like, it is our mandate to support. Like a little Lindsey Graham. Yeah, just straight from his private jet or whatever. I believe it was one of the videos. So, yeah, they haven't really had a lot of figures. And I really do think the Kash Patel thing has has tainted a dorkiness outside of the Elon stuff to all of this.

1:27:09But I think this leads us perfectly to some of our AMA questions that we'll get to really quickly right now before we get to Dr. Abdul El-Sayed. Someone asks, this is Chartdog asks, what's up with the weird Twitter posts from the White House account? No, I didn't. And I mean, so for folks who have not been paying attention to the WhiteHouse.gov official Twitter account, there's a vibe that I can only describe as school shooter adjacent. Just like very vague. They've got that Columbine aura. Yes, very Columbine-y. They've been posting these, if you're just listening on audio, these odd digitized photos of J.D.

1:27:53Vance and Trump. I really have no idea what's going on here. That's that's Rubio from the State of the Union. That's Ruby on the couch. OK, nice. No, it's from the State of the Union. You can catch it straight from the digital. I like that, Emily. No, it's someone else. Someone like used AI to do that. I forget who it was. I would give them credit if I had it. There's also been these bizarre like there's a bizarre like three or four second video of people's feet in like a room talking about a plan. Like there's these very, very bizarre posts. Emily, like what has the reaction been on the conservative side?

1:28:27Is this is this based trolling or is this just bizarre? It's completely bizarre. Maybe it's also intended to be a troll and they're going to do some big reveal. I'm guessing that they're building up to some big reveal. I have no idea. But I will say when they put out that bowling video in the earlier days of the war, that was I just heard a lot of internal chit chat. People being like what the actual fuck is happening at the social media team. Even like on the right, people were like what the actual fuck is happening. Like that is so even for our expectations of, you know, this administration on social media, the president himself posts the craziest shit on social media.

1:29:07But even then, this was like completely insane and shameful. So that definitely I'm sure that made its way up to the people who are doing this. I don't know who the people are doing this are, but I have no theory of the case other than they're trolling in some obscure way. That doesn't even matter anymore because, like, what are we going to do about it? Be like, what's up with the weird social media posts? Not going to change anything. All right. This next one should be for Ryan. This comes from Chase Leonard or Chase the Swift. Could an American private company set up in Cuba and sell diesel to the hospitals and other medical facilities?

1:29:54No. Um, you could, no, you could not. Uh, they, they guidelines that the treasury department has put out say that any private business that imports, that legally imports, uh, gasoline or diesel cannot give it to, cannot sell it or give it to the public sector, like not allowed. um so the the best that you could you could have happen is that enough private companies bring in oil and diesel and that brings down the price um and then somehow it gets diverted to the hospitals but they couldn't participate in that legally um now this this russian tanker is on its way because i think putin really likes to uh likes the idea of not being the obvious bad guy um and so how many days out are we now um it's you know the it's it's the anatoly kolodkin it's you know so far it's still going um and it's refusing to back down um so in cuba like everybody was talking about that that's how bleak it is it's like people are like tracking like where is this Russian tanker is it going to make it we don't like we don't know is it going to turn back um but so we'll see it's you know within days we should know um whether or not the U.S.

1:31:29is willing to like militarily confront this this oil tanker that is planning to deliver oil to uh to Cuba okay well we're making Putin look like the good guy mission accomplished That's not easily done. Some say it couldn't be done. Trump said, hold my beer. All right. Well, on that note, we've got Dr. Abdul El-Sayed, who's running for Senate in Michigan. Let it be. All right. Joining us now, Dr. Abdul El-Sayed, Senate candidate in the great state of Michigan, getting attention toward his campaign. Thanks to all of his other serious opponents in the race, APAC and some other groups, all condemning a rally that he hosted this week with Hassan Piker, who I was just on a trip to Cuba with.

1:32:22So the Hassan Piker denunciation cycle moved kind of seamlessly from denouncing everybody who went to Cuba to now denouncing a Senate candidate in Michigan for campaigning with him. So Dr. Al-Sayed, thank you so much for being here. We really appreciate it. Ryan, it's always a pleasure to be with you all. And we have not hosted our rallies yet. They're coming up at the University of Michigan and Michigan State on April 7th. I folks have not signed up. I hope you'll come. We'll also have Representative Summer Lee. We're looking forward to it. What was the, it was the announcement of the rally that got everybody angry?

1:32:59Like where did it, because you had actually announced it, I think like a week earlier. So like what was it that triggered this round of like viral like cancellation outrage? You know, I don't even know. And the point that you made in the first place is that we're talking about somebody whose job it is to talk to groups of people that you would think people running for public office would want to be talking to. They're the folks I want to be talking to. And a big frustration that we've often had is that too often the people who should be voting for Democrats are not showing up to elections at all.

1:33:34And the question is, where are we missing them? Why are we not able to move our message? Well, I think part of it is that too many politicians don't have a message that these folks care about because they are on the wrong side of locking these same folks out. And on the other, it's that we're not actually going to the places that these folks are. I mean, we remember the whole 2024 discourse about whether or not the vice president should have gone on Rogan. So my question is, what is wrong with going and talking to a group of people who have been let down by our politics, cast aside by politicians who aren't talking to the issues that they're talking to?

1:34:05And I'll just say this, the logic of this is kind of crazy given the fact that Hassan was invited to stream live from the DNC in 2024. And so I'm only doing what Vice President Harris did in the first place. I think the question that I would ask any of the folks who are so frustrated about this is, why wasn't there so much more outrage when she did it? until they kicked him out, I think the third or fourth day. But that's a different story. There were some quotes here from Mally McMorrow, who's running against you, about Hassan. To quote this from the Jewish Insider, she says, it is somebody who says extremely offensive things in order to generate clicks, views, and followers, which is not entirely different from somebody like Nick Fuentes.

1:34:50That is not somebody you should be campaigning with at a moment when there's clearly a lot of pain and trauma across our state? How do you bring everybody together when there are difficult conversations where there aren't easy answers? I'll leave that question to you, Abdul. I'm trying to have conversations with everybody. And I agree that there's a lot of pain and trauma across our state. There has been so much pain and trauma across our state. That's why I've always tried to name that pain and trauma from the jump. You go back a couple of years. we have watched as Israel has decimated Gaza in a genocide.

1:35:26And it took two years for my opponent to call it what it was, a genocide. So if we want to be in the business of understanding pain and trauma, I think it's important for us to name pain and trauma. And herein lies exactly the double standard. When we talk about the pain of trauma of some groups of people, that gets ignored. It gets ignored by the same politicians who tend to ignore the kinds of people who listen to Hassan Piker Twitch stream every single day. I'm trying to have a conversation with everybody. I was proud last Saturday to spend my Saturday morning in Jewish prayer services. I was invited in and I was so grateful to get to share space.

1:36:01At the end of the day, I think it is absolutely critical for us to understand that pain begets pain. And the only way that we heal pain is by going and addressing the circumstances that cause it. That's what I'm trying to do. And then all of this seems completely separated from the foundational issues that people are feeling pain on across our state. Everywhere I go, people tell me about the fact that they cannot afford anything as simple as gas, they can't afford their rent, they can't afford their groceries, and they certainly can't afford healthcare. I'm trying to have conversations about how we unlock our current system, take money out of politics through corporate bribery, how we address the fact that we need to put more money back in people's pockets by standing with unions and small businesses, and finally guaranteeing every single person healthcare through Medicare for All.

1:36:43Those are the conversations I'm having with people, whether they are in town halls, in places like Ishpeming, on Twitch with people like Hassan or in churches in places like Detroit. And those are the conversations I think we need to be focused on. Go ahead, Crystal. Sorry, I was just going to ask, and nice to see you, Abdul. Sorry for being late. I had a thing I had to do. Now I'm back, but I wanted to make sure I got a chance to speak with you at least for a little bit. But I was curious, actually, if people are bringing this up to you when you're, you know, having online events or when you're having town halls in the district.

1:37:14Is this, you know, are they raising concerns about the rally with Hassan or things Hassan has had or, you know, what your stance is, et cetera? You know, it's interesting. Every room I walk into, two things happen. Number one, somebody who's usually older than 60 comes up and says, wow, there are so many young people here. And then one of those young people comes up to me and says, hey, I heard you on Hassan. I just think one of the problems with our politics is that we tend to do politics for consumption by people who talk about politics like sport. And if you're somebody who can consume politics like sports, by definition that says something about your general privilege.

1:37:49I'm trying to have conversations with people for whom politics is foundational to being able to afford a dignified life. And I know that a lot of those folks feel X'd out of our political conversation because it's had by people who they know do not share their life experiences and could not care less about them. I do. I'm a physician. I trained to take care of people to make sure government works for people as a health director, both in Detroit and Wayne County. I want to go to the places where people who feel locked out of our politics are actually paying attention. And those are the conversations that I want to be having.

1:38:18It's the reason why young people show up to our events because they understand that I'm not trying to talk down to anybody. I'm not trying to talk in language that is not accessible to everybody. I'm trying to talk about real problems that real people face in real places where people actually go. There's no question that from, you know, like a Laura Loomer or others, you've experienced them on the subject of some outright bigotry. There's also the issue of just the synagogue tragedy that happened several weeks ago now. And I wanted to ask, Abdul, how you navigate questions about potential extremism in Michigan, where people are maybe asking you to answer for people who are doing horrible things.

1:39:05Like, what has that been like on the campaign trail? So I imagine that's a—some of those conversations get difficult. Although, as you say, you're probably hearing more about affordability than anything else. After the terrible, horrific attack on Temple Israel, I was quite clear that anti-Semitism has no place in America, that we have a responsibility to stand up for Jewish people against anti-Semitism. It's the reason why I have been clear from the get that we have to stand up for Jewish people and against anti-Semitism. And that starts with recognizing that any attempt to tie something that's happening on the part of a foreign government abroad to people in Michigan as a function of their faith is wrong and it's anti-Semitic.

1:39:51And I released a statement because I wanted folks to understand and put in context what happened. You had a guy who lost niece and nephew, children, in an attack. And in his rage and pain, he displaced it on people who never, ever should have been the victims of his violence. I want us to understand that antisemitism is wrong, but also hurt people hurt people. And we have to understand the context in which pain is created, and then pain gets displaced if we're serious about uprooting that kind of pain. We released a four and a half minute statement about exactly what happened and how I felt about it.

1:40:30So I stand in solidarity with Jewish Michiganders and Jewish Americans, frankly, Jewish Israelis. I stand in solidarity with Jewish people because I believe anti-Semitism to be wrong. And I also understand that what the state of Israel is doing in terms of the genocide that it perpetrated in Gaza, in terms of the war that it has pushed an idiot like Donald Trump into finally taking action to pursue in the ways in which they are trying to annex southern Lebanon or decimate the idea of a Palestinian state in the West Bank, that's all wrong. And we can say multiple things are wrong at the same time without trying to use any of them as justification for another.

1:41:08In fact, I think if we're serious about trying to uproot the kind of violence that we are seeing take hold, we have to be able to acknowledge the pain that creates it, and we have to do something about addressing it. And I just think that that's where leadership ought to start. Anyone who wants to tell you that some pain is more important than other pain, anyone who wants to tell you that somehow we can't talk about context for pain is not serious about actually addressing pain. They're usually trying to weaponize it for their own political ends. And what I found so striking about the kind of democratic establishment conversation around Hassan Piker in general, and there was this like third way article that third way column op-ed that they published, I think it was in the Wall Street Journal, saying that like the Democratic Party needs to draw a bright line and Hassan Piker needs to be on the other side of it.

1:41:57He cannot be in this space, in this coalition because he is anti-Semitic. It's just a foundational kind of belief and claim that is made. I just saw on, but which I think most people that watch this program, if they have ever watched Hassan Piker, just know that that's false. A lot of people though would probably have not seen him and might assume, oh, maybe he is. I saw that somebody made a 30-minute compilation, which obviously we don't have 30 minutes and I don't have to play it. It's reactive to the whole thing. Yeah. It's 30 straight minutes of Hassan Piker calling out anti-Semitism and telling his audience that it is anti-Semitic to conflate Judaism with Israel and on and on.

1:42:46Like, there are not many people kind of in the public space, I think, where you can even make a 30 minute compilation. A lot of people say it. That's like an extraordinary, and that's just what they found, you know, throughout this. um and so i'm i'm curious like on the ground how like how how um kind of dominant and how prevalent is kind of the understanding of of who he is and then and what and and also how kind of prevalent is the assumption among kind of older people who don't know what twitch is do they just kind of just kind of accept it as fact oh this guy's anti-semitic um or they haven't even heard of it?

1:43:32Because as a candidate, you're much kind of more into the public and the grassroots than a lot of other people. So what is your sense of what people understand about this controversy? The vast majority of people don't know who he is, and they don't understand what the whole issue is about. They're more concerned about how I want to make sure that they have healthcare through Medicare for all. And then you have folks like Third Way. The reason that Third Way is so angry right now is because they are a corporate-backed entity that is intended to launder the old ideas that led us into this unaffordability crisis in the first place.

1:44:05And we've got people like Hassan talking to young people about how we can actually get past that, how we can actually elect politicians who really want to guarantee us healthcare, who don't take corporate money. They get real upset because, well, we're all coming for all that they hold dear, a system that sucks money out of our pockets into the hands of the richest people in society by way of policies that fail to regulate corporations, whether they're providing us utilities or healthcare or flights. And well, I understand why Third Way is angry, but they're using a cheap scapegoat to be able to get at that.

1:44:37And then look, the guy streams for eight hours every single day. It's not hard to take things out of context and then try to paint him with that. And then because you called him a particular tag to make that tag stick, because nobody really has the time to comb through except for this person who made the 30 minute compilation, to look at All of the times in which he took particular pains to differentiate between anti-Semitism and the actions of the state of Israel. Look, at the end of the day, I just this morning responded to the leader of the ADL, Jonathan Greenblatt, who consistently tries to obfuscate, deliberately tries to obfuscate the state of Israel and AIPAC for the Jewish people.

1:45:22And you would think that somebody who has a platform principally focused on trying to protect Jewish people would understand the foundational risk of that and the foundational antisemitism in that. But instead, he's trying to use the concept of antisemitism to argue that any sort of criticism of Israel or any sort of criticism of AIPAC, which is a MAGA-backed political action committee intent on making sure that our public policy backstops whatever it is that Israeli leaders want to do, he wants to extend the concept of antisemitism to defend that too. And I'm so sorry, but when you're talking about a state that is engaged in genocide at worst, but also engaged in war crimes and engaged in apartheid, it is not possible to try to use that concept to defend what they're doing.

1:46:11And I just think it's really critical for all of us to be willing to have a clear, direct, and specific engagement with the notion that, Yes, it is okay to criticize a foreign government that engages in genocide. And no, it is not okay to criticize a whole group of people simply because some people want you to think that one is the same as the other. They are not. The Jewish people are a light unto the world. Anti-Semitism is wrong. Judaism is a beautiful faith. I got to experience it myself on Saturday. The state of Israel has done terrible things, is engaged in doing terrible things, and is dragging our country alongside it by way of AIPAC, which is spending huge amounts of money to silence people like me.

1:46:53All of those things are true, and they need to be kept separate if we're serious about actually empowering people, because that's the whole goal here. Whether they're Jewish people in America or in Israel, or they're Palestinians, or they're Iranian folk, or they're Americans just trying to afford their groceries and their healthcare, all of us would do better if we stopped pretending that some violence inflicted on the part of a foreign government somehow has to be defended by everybody who shares a particular faith. Yeah, I think, and forgive me if this point's been made before I jumped in the conversation, I think there's also an irony here from, you know, I saw your opponent, Mallory McMorrow, who's now very critical of, you know, Hassan Piker and you doing anything with Hassan Piker.

1:47:35Right after Trump won, she was one of many who was like, we got to reach out to these, you know, the Joe Rogans of the world, the podcast guys where these young men are. I mean, this was a very common analysis and especially a common analysis from like the third way part of the party. But, you know, that's only when it's, you know, people who code right when it's someone who's on the left who has a huge following among young men in particular. Then, oh, this is totally out of bounds. And I think you're right, Abdul, in your analysis that is just basically because they're panicking because they're losing control of the party.

1:48:09I mean, the distance between where the base of the Democratic Party is and where the elected party leadership, you know, remains, especially on the issue of Israel, but on a variety of issues besides, is gigantic and seems like something that is unsustainable. So in light of that, I mean, you're running to be part of a new wave of Democrats who approaches, you know, a whole range of issues very differently. One of the things the Democratic base is very disgusted with is the failed leadership of Chuck Schumer in the Senate. So I wonder where you are on the question of whether he should remain leader.

1:48:43You know who my pick for leader would be? It would be Senator Chris Van Hollen. I really, really hope he's running. And I've said clearly, I do not agree with Senator Schumer on almost anything when it comes to the question of continued support for Israel, when it comes to the question of continuing to take corporate money into our politics. And at the same time, I also understand that my critique is bigger than one individual. A lot of folks who don't actually want to level a serious critique on the party about our willingness to take corporate money to pass corporate policy, want to blame it all on the feet of one person.

1:49:15And I'm just saying that I don't know who the alternatives are. So show me my alternatives and I will choose the leader who has the best shot at being able to get money out of politics, put money in pockets and pass Medicare for all. But I also don't want us to get deluded into thinking that the very same people who take the very same corporate money, but then tell you that they want to go after Chuck Schumer are actually serious about solving the problem because they're going to find themselves somebody else who's willing to pass that same exact kind of policy that continues to launder corporate money into our politics.

1:49:43So it's just, it's bigger than one person. You know, my positions have been absolutely clear about where I stand on genocide, where I stand on corporate money and politics, where I stand on Medicare for all, where I stand on abolishing ICE. And I'm looking for a leader who can advance those goals, hold this Trump administration accountable for the next two years of this administration, and then get us to a position where we're leading on hope for the things that we can do to actually build the kind of America that we need and deserve. John Fetterman. There's only one. Don't don't dare speak his name, Emily.

1:50:15Abdul, I have another question for you. Unifying character for everybody to rally around. Sorry, go ahead. So, you know, I want to talk about something else that young people care about outside of Hassan Piker, And that's AI. Now, Bernie has been making a lot about AI data centers, wanting to pause AI growth, regulate it. And he said things as apocalyptic as it'll change our entire society and it might even destroy the world are direct things that Bernie has been saying. We also see with young people, their jobs straight out of college are going down and their futures are looking bleaker. Where do you stand on AI and how do you want to lead on the issue of AI?

1:50:59Well, I'll tell you this, it definitely has that potential. And there are real risks. There's also real opportunities. Anybody who's messed around with Claude or ChatGPT understands that there's real potential in this technology. The thing about any life-changing technology, though, is that you have to balance the risk from the benefit. And the risks that I see coming are manifold. One is that it could potentially fundamentally and inalterably change the social contract when it comes to the ability for people to actually sell their intellectual capital on a market for money to live their lives.

1:51:30And if you are starting to automate out what was traditionally knowledge work out of an economy, where does that go? And what do you do when you are now potentially creating a circumstance where 15 to 20 % of young people are not just unemployed, but unemployable as a function of it? The second question is this topic of P-doom, right, which used to be a term that they used in the old years of AI like two years ago, which was the probability that AI would create existential doom. And we know the risks of this. We know that if this falls into the wrong hands, we know that if it's able to escape human control, that there's potentially catastrophic risks there.

1:52:10And then there's the environmental footprint. It's not like AI just happens out of thin air. You need huge amounts of compute sucking up huge amounts of electricity, potentially using huge amounts of water to cool it. And that has physical consequences in communities like ours. So when it comes to the regulation, I think we need it. And the problem right now is a lot of the folks who understand it best are taking money from the very same corporations who want zero regulation at all. And a lot of the folks who want to regulate are not as close to the technology. I aim to try and solve that as somebody who understands the development of this technology and also has not taken money from the corporations that are trying to tell us that somehow they know better for our whole entire future.

1:52:50And when it comes to data centers, I've been very clear. We put out a terms of engagement. This has been a live issue. There were 15 data center projects proposed in Michigan in the last year alone. And there are many, many more slated for 2026. And our terms of engagement are thus. If you want to open a data center in Michigan, you better meet the following terms. Number one, if you're promising jobs, you need to create all the jobs you said you're going to create, and they need to be good union local jobs. Number two, there cannot be any increase in our electricity costs. In fact, you should be invested in reducing costs, and some of the revenue that is passed on to utilities needs to be spent to improve our reliability.

1:53:26Three, there should be closed loop systems, meaning you cannot connect to the water infrastructure and to our water resources and think that you could just pollute our water to cool your computing in your data centers. Four, that there has to be a community benefits agreement that is negotiated and prepaid in terms of what you are going to provide a local community if you're bringing a data center in. And then all of this needs to be reinforceable via very, very clear, very steep fees to make sure that data center operators are held accountable. That said, I am worried because this is all happening so fast.

1:54:00We're talking about an outlay of money that is greater than the amount of money that we spent to build the federal highway system under Dwight Eisenhower. We're talking about huge amounts of capital. So we need federal legislation. We've needed federal legislation and things like an actual regulatory agency at the federal level that can hold some of these hyperscalers accountable. the ability to make sure that you know your customer when you're selling them compute so you're not selling it to some actor who wants to use this for malevolent means, the ability to just make sure we have rigorous testing standards so these models don't go rogue.

1:54:37All of that is stuff we should have had two years ago and we're only now starting to talk about. So we need leaders who both understand this technology and are not bought off by the corporations who are building it. And I'm hoping I can offer that kind of leadership in the Senate. And let me ask you one horse race question. For people who aren't following this race, we've talked about Mallory McMorrow, who's kind of running in the Elizabeth Warren, maybe center left lane. She has Warren's endorsement, trying to be kind of a Goldilocks candidate in between you and Haley Stevens, who's had enormous amount of APAC support in her previous race and is understood.

1:55:13And it's, you know, clearly the APAC candidate here, but seems to be hoping for a huge influx of APAC money, which has not arrived yet. The race is in the doldrums of early August is the election, which might, you know, could potentially depress some turnout. Polls seem to have it pretty neck and neck and neck, like almost a three-way tie. McMorrow put one out showing her ahead, Stevens. But you're always like, everybody's right within a couple of points.

1:55:51McMorrow herself, I've seen some of my reporting from a couple months ago resurfacing lately. McMorrow herself had, according to one of her top campaign volunteers, sent in an AIPAC questionnaire. Maybe it was a DMFI questionnaire. We don't know. She hasn't released it. That was supposedly very, very, they loved it. Like the pro-Israel lobby loved it. in hopes of not necessarily getting APAC spending on her behalf, but keeping APAC from supporting Haley Stevens. So with a three-way race, it's tricky. Like if they, you know, if they spend money attacking you, they could boost McMorrow and they still lose.

1:56:31If they don't, maybe then you edge it out. Like what are you hearing kind of through the grapevine about where APAC is in this race, what McMorrow is trying to do, what Stevens is trying to do? and what's the path in the next few months that allows you to kind of break out of this three-way stalemate? Yeah, well, you're right. Both of my opponents just released poll numbers. In one of their polls, I have the highest favorability. In the other poll, after all the voters are informed, I go up over the other two. That puts us in some really good positioning. When both of your opponents' internal polls show you pretty strong, you recognize why it is that they are now engaging in what seems to be a pretty coordinated smear campaign about a campaign event I'm doing with a Twitch streamer.

1:57:14So all of that is to say, I don't know what they're trying to do. I'm not in those camps. I'm just a lot more focused on having a conversation with the folks in my state. They understand that I've run before and I'm saying the exact same things I said then now. I want to get money out of politics. I think corporations have choked our economy out for their best interest and against ours. In the eight years since I started saying it, it's all just gotten worse. It's less affordable than it was. I want to guarantee you healthcare because I know we could do it. I literally wrote a book about how to do that.

1:57:46And I want to make sure that we're standing with unions and small businesses rather than big corporations who automate away our jobs. That's what I've always been about. And we're going to continue to take our campaign across the state. We've been in 90 cities now, 300 public events. We know that our campaign is resonating. I also know that because of my clarity about my values when it comes to foundational human rights for Palestinians in the fact that I don't think a special interest funded by MAGA billionaires should be able to sway our foreign policy in the form of AIPAC, that they're going to spend huge amounts of money to beat me.

1:58:20And so I ask good people if they believe in a politics where we believe in human rights for literally everybody, where we believe in the equal rights to dignity and self-determination for Jewish Israelis and Palestinians alike. If you believe that corporations and special interests shouldn't be able to buy our politics, I hope that you'll support us. Go to abdulforsenate.com and invest. At the end of the day, my job is to have that connection with Michiganders. We know that there's going to be tremendous amounts of corporate and special interest money sloshing around. And I'm just asking good people, if you believe in my brand of politics and want to see somebody in the U.S.

1:58:53Senate who's trying to be honest with you about what we can have, not trying to tell you what you can't have and shouldn't fight for, not trying to tell you corporate talking points that are washed through a campaign, then I hope folks will support us. All right. Well, thank you, Dr. Crystal. I think I'll do it unless you have any final questions. Nope, that'll do it. All right. Well, good luck, doctor. And when is this rally happening, this infamous rally? April 7th. If you're in Ann Arbor or if you're in East Lansing, come on through. We'd love to see you. Okay, very cool. We'll leave all that in a link in the description.

1:59:29Thank you for joining us, and we'll speak to you again soon. Bye, Abdullah. Thank you. Thanks, y 'all. Appreciate you. Thank you. All right. That's going to wrap us out for this Friday show.

1:59:45Okay. Yeah. Thanks, Abdul. We appreciate you. Thanks, guys. Catch you later. Appreciate having me. Talk to you soon.

1:59:56All right. Krystal returned for the end line here. Emily and I kind of switched to swap down. Yeah, I it's yes. I mean, I don't know if we want to talk anymore about all this smear stuff. We got through plenty in the interview, but I just have to say with the Hassan stuff, like the real truth bomb is Hassan is probably one of the biggest bulwarks against anti-Semitism on the lab out of anyone, because there are a lot of other content creators out there that are far less measured and consistent. And want to conflate the two because they think it's good for their audience, the growth. That's right.

2:00:39Yes. They like to flirt with it because, yes, because there's a big audience for it. And then the other thing is that, you know, you have a lot of young men who it's like, which way Western man, Nick Fuentes or Hassan Piker. Or Hassan Piker. Which one do you guys want them to choose? Yeah. Right. Right. And so, look, if you're looking at, you know, Israel pressuring, look, again, Donald Trump got us into the war with Iran. But Israel, no doubt, wanted us there. And you're watching them commit a genocide and all in these like speech crackdowns, et cetera. And you don't have the left perspective offered by Hassan Piker, who is not talking about the Jews, but is talking about, you know, international human rights and everybody having equal rights.

2:01:22and that Israel does not reflect the entirety of the Jewish people, even though they claim that they do. And that is what is part of what is creating this anti-Semitism. If you don't have that and all you're hearing is Nick Fuentes, you might think that that neo-Nazi worldview makes some sense. So I think you're absolutely right about that, Griffin, that he is incredibly important. And, you know, when I hear him talk, for example, about Tucker Carlson, he's always very careful to talk about, like, you know, the problems with Tucker's worldview overall, all, even in the context of like, yeah, you did a great job with Ted Cruz.

2:01:53Yeah, I did a great job with Mike Huckabee, et cetera. So I completely agree with that point. Yeah. So, I mean, yeah, just they got to be careful because it does seem like the liberal centrist Dems have been trying to figure out where how do they because the left is on the rise. How do they articulate a difference? And if this is what they're going to articulate, that Hassan Piker is like Nick Fuentes, like, I'm sorry, Mallory McMorrow, you're not ready for primetime. Like this is not you cannot walk out on the stage and say that with a straight face. It's absolutely ridiculous. And if you look at someone like Gavin Newsom, what did he do after the election?

2:02:31He had Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, Steve fucking Bannon. And there wasn't any smoke for any of those people at all. Yeah. Having those conversations. I mean, I think it just smacks of desperation because, you know, I mean, the polls that have just come out do look pretty good for Abdul, seem to show him gaining some steam. And more broadly, like I was saying, the pro-Zionist, you know, like everything for Israel, always Israel, whatever Israel wants crowd, recognizes that they're in a really dire position with the base of the Democratic Party. I mean, the recent poll that came out, I think only 13 percent of Democrats had a favorable view of Israel.

2:03:1213 percent. And that's one of the honestly, that's one of the better polls I've seen for Israel with the Democratic base at this point. So, you know, they're trying all kinds of desperate tactics, like all the shenanigans they pulled in Illinois, for example. And so I'm curious to see what they end up doing, how they end up playing in this race, because they are trying to figure out. They recognize that they've won these sort of Democratic debate. So now it's, you know, the small d Democratic debate. And so now it's how can we use all these sort of like, you know, shady tactics to obfuscate and confuse.

2:03:49And none of it has anything to do with Israel, of course, the ads that they're running and all of that. But, you know, that's that's kind of where they are. And so this is the latest tactic they've deployed of like, oh, if you have anything to do with Hassan Piker, then you are an anti-Semite. Mm hmm. And this is also as Hassan has been doing more candidate interviews. So the Democratic Party is realizing that he is becoming the Joe Rogan of the left, that if you are a candidate that wants to get out there, you have to go sit down next to him and you have to have good answers. And that can't be acceptable.

2:04:21Like he can't be. Newsom was about to do it, but he's— And then he backed out. Yeah, exactly. Interesting. So Steve Bannon is fine for Newsom, but Hassan Piker, too far. Well, I'll just—in that vein, I'll mention that, you know, I'm hosting this event, Progressive Victory, asked me to along with a bunch of candidates who are running and some existing office holders. And Hassan Piker will be involved. So I guess every one of those very many candidates are involved in this event, which is which is tomorrow evening. I guess all of them decided that the risk was decidedly worth it for them in terms of their campaigns.

2:05:00Yeah. Maybe they can go on the third way live stream with like 10 concurrent viewers. It's almost not even a risk. All of them big donors, though. The cost benefit is the benefit is you get the boost. you get the publicity. The cost is that Jonathan Greenblatt attacks you and AIPAC attacks you. That's not even a cost anymore. Yeah, that's just a point of pride. That's a benefit. It's benefit-benefit at this point. Like, oh, Third Way doesn't like this candidate? All right, let me learn more about them. Yeah. You know, it's funny you say that because I had that same reaction to this whole flop with Abdul where the polls have been very close and most of the polls have had him, you know, slightly behind the other two candidates.

2:05:41And then with all of this, I'm like, they're only going to help him with this. You know, it's only going to help you because what he needed was, in my opinion, you know, watching from afar, not following the race all that closely. But it was a challenge for him to try to separate with Mallory McMorrow. You know, the difference with Haley Stevens is very clear. But she is trying to find this way of massaging these issues and sort of making it unclear which one of them is really the, quote unquote, progressive candidate. And, you know, this helps draw a pretty bright red line for him, which is something that he had, you know, my estimation had been kind of a challenge for them in the campaign.

2:06:16So, yeah, we'll see. All right. Well, we'll see all that. There'll be links emailed out to everyone for those live streams that Crystal will be attending. And, of course, we will continue monitoring the situation as markets close in just a few hours. So I'm sure we're expecting quite a lot of news updates in the next couple hours. It's great. We should just shift the show to work on the weekends. Cash Patel's personal email was hacked. So hopefully we will start to see some interesting things from that, too. Crystal, you're beaming. You're beaming on that one. You know, Keystone Cash is sending some crazy things on email that he should not be sending.

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