In short
The hosts argue that the Iran-Israel crisis is triggering a cascading global energy and economic shock, while Israel passes a law they say effectively imposes apartheid-style death penalties on Palestinians. They also discuss an alleged assault of CNN photojournalist Cyril Theophilus by IDF soldiers, and Trump’s new “ballroom” with a claimed military complex/bunker underneath.
Guests/backgrounds
No episode guests are clearly identified in the transcript. Main speakers are Sagar and Crystal (Breaking Points). CNN journalist Jeremy Diamond is referenced; Israeli officials Ben Gvir and Netanyahu are discussed; EU energy chief Dan Jorgensen and Italy’s defense minister are quoted.
Key claims
EU/Asia are moving toward rationing and travel limits due to natural gas disruptions; jet fuel shortages could spread globally. Israel’s new bill mandates hanging Palestinians convicted of lethal terrorism, with near-impossible application to Jewish Israelis, via military courts with extremely high conviction rates. IDF/settler dynamics: soldiers say they help illegal outposts become “legal” and act from “revenge.” Trump’s ballroom includes bulletproof windows and a military complex.
Notable examples
South Korea driving curbs; Indonesia fuel rationing/work-from-home; UK jet-fuel limits; India rupee plunge; India fertilizer plant closures; Haaretz on the Israeli bill; Cyril Theophilus chokehold; IDF battalion “Netza Yehuda 97th” suspended; Trump ballroom bunker/data-center speculation.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOGlobal Crisis and Warnings from Leaders
2:35 to 3:54
Explore alarming statements from world leaders regarding the energy crisis.
“We've collated a bunch of very ominous comments from heads of state, from leaders all across Europe.”
Impact of Energy Crisis on South Korea and Italy
3:54 to 5:10
Understand how South Korea and Italy are grappling with energy shortages.
“He said, The world is in turmoil over the energy crisis.”
Economic Consequences of Global Energy Shortages
5:10 to 6:39
Discuss the wider economic implications of the energy crisis and its effects on living standards.
“I mean, the vast majority of their oil comes from the natural – comes from the Straits of Hormuz, their natural gas.”
Jet Fuel Shortages and Global Travel
6:39 to 8:06
Analyze the consequences of jet fuel shortages for air travel and commerce.
“I mean, it's reflected in Trump with his like, oh, we don't even rely that much on this.”
Currency Crises in Asia and Their Implications
8:06 to 9:42
Examine the currency depreciation affecting Asian economies amidst the crisis.
“However, they will take weeks to get there.”
Africa's Energy Crisis and Economic Strain
9:42 to 11:41
Evaluate the severe energy crisis in Africa and its impact on vulnerable nations.
“They're just, I mean, they're having a currency crisis.”
Fertilizer Shortages and Global Food Prices
11:41 to 13:20
Understand how fertilizer shortages are affecting food prices globally.
“They've got enough money, but they're really going to have to struggle.”
Geopolitical Impacts of the Oil Crisis
13:20 to 14:06
Discuss the geopolitical shifts resulting from the current oil crisis and its global ramifications.
“And then it costs a lot more to grow food.”
The Global Crisis and Oil Dependence
14:06 to 15:54
Learn how global crises impact oil prices and economic behavior.
“And one of the reasons I was panicking in February, I have all these friends in Asia and I follow all of these accounts and I would just look at the daily toll in Wuhan.”
Israel's Controversial Death Penalty Law
19:14 to 24:25
Examine the implications of Israel's death penalty law for Palestinians.
“So we wanted to turn our attention to this new law that just passed in Israel, which is really first of its kind, which applies effectively the death penalty to one ethnic group over the other.”
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IDF Assault on Journalists
24:25 to 28:01
Analyze the assault on CNN journalists by IDF soldiers during coverage.
“I mean, think about the land grabs that these people have made since October 7th.”
Confrontation with IDF Soldiers
28:01 to 29:18
Witness a tense encounter between journalists and IDF soldiers in a conflict zone.
“Producer Abir Salman identifies us as journalists before translating the soldiers' commands.”
Understanding Settler Dynamics
29:19 to 30:25
Explore the complexities of Israeli settlements and the military's role in protecting them.
“They say they're trying to establish order between settlers and Palestinians.”
IDF Culture and Accountability
30:26 to 32:35
Delve into the issues of accountability within the Israeli Defense Forces and the impact on local populations.
“So you have these sort of designated, quote unquote, by Israeli law, legal settlements.”
Response to Violence Against Journalists
32:36 to 35:35
Analyze the swift military response to the assault on journalists and its implications.
“So this particular battalion is called the Netza Yehuda 97th Battalion, and it's an ultra-Orthodox Israeli military unit and has come under scrutiny before.”
The Double Standard in Accountability
35:36 to 36:56
Discuss the disparity in legal accountability for settlers versus Palestinians.
“And on that count as well, we have not yet heard a sufficient response from the Israeli military about what they are going to do to counter that growing settler violence against Palestinians.”
Trump's New Ballroom and Military Complex
41:21 to 42:00
Examine Trump's controversial ballroom project and the military implications beneath it.
“All right, we've got one more rather dystopian story here.”
The Presidential Bunker Discussion
42:00 to 43:00
Exploring the characteristics and conditions of the Presidential Emergency Operations Center.
“The ballroom essentially becomes a shed for what's being built under the military, including from drones and including from any other thing.”
Concerns Over Iran and Nuclear Threats
43:00 to 45:20
A discussion on the implications of Iran's potential nuclear capabilities and the actions of world leaders.
“I'm not going to, this happened like three times.”
Trump’s Focus and Future Plans
45:20 to 47:10
Analyzing Trump’s priorities amidst military upgrades and his approach to crises.
“instead of consuming actual information.”
Theories on the White House Data Center
47:10 to 48:10
Speculating on the purpose of a rumored data center under the White House ballroom.
“Instead of a nuclear apocalypse, he's gonna go down there, he's gonna save himself, him and his friends.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. You know Roald Dahl. He thought up Willy Wonka and the BFG. But did you know he was a spy? In the new podcast, The Secret World of Roald Dahl, I'll tell you that story and much, much more.
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2:34Rory Johnston:Now to Rory's point about all of the global impact that this crisis has already created. Let's go ahead and start. We've collated a bunch of very ominous comments from heads of state, from leaders all across Europe. Here's the Italy's defense minister. He says, I am forced to know things about what could happen in the coming week and the effects it will have on the economy and our daily lives that no longer allow me to sleep. You may easily pair that, let's say, with this warning that came out. D6, guys, if we could just go and put that one up here next, is almost certainly, this was an illusion, the energy chief of the European Union, Dan Jorgensen, sent a letter, a confidential letter, to member energy ministers where he said national governments should consider, I love this phrasing, voluntary demand-saving measures with particular attention to the transport sector, a.k.a.
3:29Rory Johnston:travel restrictions could be coming to EU citizens very quickly. As in, nope, you're not driving a car anymore. You are banned from, let's say, either train travel or who knows, right, in terms of the actual restrictions that could be put into place. Far and away, it may be a crisis for the European Union already. It's a crisis in terms of their natural gas prices, their overall energy consumptions. If you think I'm exaggerating, let's look at a country where this is all playing out right now. Let's put D2 up there on the screen. South Korea, their president, today. Or sorry, yesterday. He said, The world is in turmoil over the energy crisis.
4:05Rory Johnston:The situation is so serious, it has even kept me up at night. The immediate problem is grave enough, but the outlook ahead seems even more unstable. The situation is worse than expected. That came at the exact same time, D5 guys, that South Korea is now having to weigh the first driving curbs in 35 years since the Gulf War of 1991. So what they are currently floating is basically what happened here in the oil crisis in the 1970s, where depending on your license plate, you get to drive that day. Odd number day, you get to drive. Even number, you get to drive. What I was shocked by, this policy is already in place for civil servants.
4:51Rory Johnston:So every government employee in South Korea is already on a driving curb restriction. They're already voluntarily instituting all of these energy-saving policies. I told everyone yesterday, they're telling the citizens, don't shower or take a shorter shower to save heating costs. I mean, that's a crisis. I mean, the vast majority of their oil comes from the natural – comes from the Straits of Hormuz, their natural gas. This is a – I mean, a top economy in the world. Samsung, car manufacturer, their stock market is getting just they're down 20 percent since the start of this crisis this is a disaster for south korea and then think about italy you think there's any mystery why the italians were like all right we're done no more flights over our airspace this is why i mean we have precipitated a real crunch in these countries and these are just two that i've listed you know before i i move on crystal but like it is really bad well and these are you know wealthy countries Filthy rich countries.
5:52Yeah, and they're already suffering and struggling. You can only imagine in the developing world the type of cuts and, you know, the type of pain that they are already experiencing. And, I mean, that is part of what is kind of sick about this situation is, look,$4 at the pump is nothing to say. That's a problem. And we're going to have more problems. And there's, you know, issues with the chips and the helium and the fertilizer. All of that is very real. We're going to be a lot, you know, we're going to have a buffer against the worst of these impacts. So we get to go out in the world, create this total global economic catastrophe, and then we're relatively, relatively unscathed compared to the rest of the world.
6:31And again, certainly compared to the developing world, which is by and large, according to the polling, adamantly opposed to this war whatsoever. So it is kind of, you know, it is kind of sick. I mean, it's reflected in Trump with his like, oh, we don't even rely that much on this. You guys go get your oil. Like, we created this disaster, created this new reality with the Strait of Hormuz, and no problems with the Strait of Hormuz before we came in and started doing our thing. And they're like, all right, rest of the world, which is already acutely suffering, go and figure it out. Good luck.
7:02Rory Johnston:Here, to your point, literally, while you were talking, flashed from the AFP. Indonesia announces fuel rationing, orders civil servants to work from home one day a week, price hikes due to the Middle Eastern War. I mean, you got full-blown rationing now in the developed world. Let's continue on down the line. For example, let's put D4 up there on the screen. This will be no surprise considering what Trump has been truthing about. The UK just got its last tanker of jet fuel from the Middle East this week. So now what? They are floating. This is unthinkable. They are floating having airports just saying no fuel here.
7:38Rory Johnston:to, I mean, imagine that. London Heathrow, probably one of the most busy, they'll probably be fine, but I don't know. What is a smaller airport? What's the other one? Gatwick or whatever. Like all these smaller airports throughout the UK, they're like, yeah, we don't have any jet fuel. You can't land. You can't refuel here. Yeah. That's the end of global commerce, of global travel, if you have no jet fuel. They're saying that the European buyers will have to now seek additional jet fuel supplies from refineries in West Africa and the United States. However, they will take weeks to get there. Even in the interim, there could be a shortage.
8:11Rory Johnston:And when they arrive, there will still be a dramatic increase in the overall price. Now, connecting it to what Rory just talked about, if you take jet fuel from the United States, it's a finite relative amount of supply. So that just means if you don't have a jet fuel shortage in the UK, you could have one in Mexico, in Guatemala, or anywhere in Latin America. So somewhere, somebody's going to get shafted. Let's continue down the line, shall we? And the era of, you know, plane tickets and jet travel being, like, relatively affordable for middle class people, that era is going to be at least for some time.
8:47Oh, I told you.
8:48Rory Johnston:Yeah. Yeah. And, I mean, it does just fit with the sense of, you know, things that we sort of took for granted. Quality of life getting measurably worse and noticeably worse over the course of a lifetime. And, you know, I think you can see that already with, like, how freaking expensive steak is and with no end in sight. And that's probably only going to get worse. And I think you could see the same thing with air travel where it just becomes, you know, this is something police can do and that's it. Ultra luxury goods. So, like I said, I was thinking about going to India. And so I look at the prices.
9:17Rory Johnston:The only cheap way is to go through Qatar. And you're like, maybe we don't want to risk getting hit by a ballistic missile while we're in a plane. So, okay, so what's it going to cost? Otherwise, literally over$2 ,500 for economy tickets. I mean, that's insanity. That's like in my head it should be like$1 ,200. Maybe I'm extremely naive, but like, I mean, 5 ,000 bucks for basic economy tickets just to be able to fly to India, who, speaking of India, let's put D7 up there on the screen. They're just, I mean, they're having a currency crisis. The Indian rupee plunged 10 % and is now in the worst annual decline in 14 years.
9:56Rory Johnston:And let me explain something about this, too, because this is a big Asian problem. So what's happening right now is that Japan yesterday had the lowest, I think, yen to USD, not all-time low, but extremely low. Also, you had the Indian rupee. What they're currently doing is to afford the high dollar price of crude oil. They are having to sell off vast amounts of its own currency. That is deflating, depreciating their own currency. So what they're having, it's actually a dual crisis. to afford very expensive oil. They're basically having to sell off their own currency, which is creating problems for import-export relative to all of these other goods that are around the world.
10:38Rory Johnston:There's some advantages to being devalued, but not a ton. And at the same time, these foreign exchange traders and others are going after the Indian rupee or going after the Japanese yen. This also has major impact for US treasuries, for gold as well, for other people who have to sell off in those to be able to buy dollars. So all of Asia, from South Korea, Japan, now the Indian rupee, all of their currencies are getting hammered. And I think the point of this whole thing, let's put D8 up there as well just to underscore what you said. Africa is already in a full-blown energy crisis. They're rationing.
11:12Rory Johnston:They're having to just straight-up cut from various different sectors or telling others that they won't be able to fulfill orders. They're just not going to have gas at the pump if this continues now for some time, especially some of the poorer nations. nations, you will see full-blown, like, zero supply in Africa. Asia, the rich countries like South Korea, Japan, and others, they have strategic reserves. They're very rich. They'll be able to go out and buy, but it'll be crippling. India is right on the fence. They've got enough money, but they're really going to have to struggle. Bangladesh, they're dead.
11:46Rory Johnston:Like, you know, Pakistan, I'm thinking about some of the other, you know, Indonesia, we talked about, you know, They're right in the middle area where they have some money but not a ton of money. They still have some. Poverty, they're really going to struggle. Sri Lanka already having shortages in the outright poor countries are just decimation. Yeah. Right. And then here in the West, we have, I mean, a literal, probably the most inflationary environment since the 1970s. Yeah. Or at the very least with 2022, especially because we already have the existing inflation baked in from 2022. It's a nightmare.
12:19Kiss your rate cuts goodbye. I mean, rate cuts were.
12:22Rory Johnston:Recarious is the least of our problems. We're actually talking about genuine demand destruction, quality of life destroyed now for years in the post-COVID environment. So, look, I mean, we could be wrong with the taco. We could just settle around$3.50 a gallon. Although, I mean, that's still high compared to where things were. It was$2.90 before the war started and probably going down. That's where things headed. Rate cut was coming. As of February 28th, the day before the war, they were talking about three successive rate cuts. It's over now. Put D9 up on the screen because it's also very significant.
12:57This is India. Adam Tooze was highlighting this chart and said that it was one of the most significance that you could take a look at. So this chart shows where fertilizer plants in India have closed because of this actually across South Asia because of LNG supply disruption. So again, you can see the ripple effects here. And then fertilizer becomes more expensive. And then it costs a lot more to grow food. And then food becomes more expensive. And your diesel is more expensive. So everything that has to be trucked to a store is more expensive. That's the way this ripples throughout the entire economy.
13:33And remember in the early days of the war, there was this like 5D chest style cope of like, oh, this is, you know, this is really going to hurt. This is really going to hurt China. Not true. I saw an analysis that actually our GDP is projected to take double the hit that China's GDP is, that they're actually better positioned, not that they're going to feel no pain either, but that they are actually better positioned to weather this disruption than we are. And so, you know, in some senses, like the biggest winners of this war are exactly the people we position as our geopolitical adversary, certainly Russia, China.
14:06And if Iran ends up controlling this vital strategic asset of the Strait of Hormuz, Iran comes out much stronger.
14:13Rory Johnston:Yeah, I just think when you look at the way that things are now around the globe and, you know, because what we're trying to show everybody is it's and this is the framework that I was laying out yesterday was February 2020 COVID. And one of the reasons I was panicking in February, I have all these friends in Asia and I follow all of these accounts and I would just look at the daily toll in Wuhan. And I was like, oh, that's really not bad. And then you would see the first case in South Korea or in Japan or anywhere in the Philippines. And I would watch the exponential factor grow. And eventually you're like, oh, we're just going to shut down air travel.
14:49Rory Johnston:It's over. And you knew that a month before the lockdown ever hit in the U.S. Oil is kind of the same way. You have the heavily reliant countries, which immediately have the shortage. Then you see the price roll through all of that, and you know what's coming here. I'm not saying it's going to be as bad as a lockdown, but to me, just knowing the pocketbook effect of$4.50 a gallon gas, that's a disaster. Yeah. Right? For a lot of people, especially going into summer, like Rory was talking about with the driving season, very similar to the February invasion of Ukraine with the July 2022 crisis. Does everybody remember that?
15:22Rory Johnston:People really shut down in terms of their spending. You also created the whole K-shaped phenomenon where the only people who could afford to travel and fly at that time were the top 10%. And then the bottom 90 actually just became a lot poorer the entire time. So if you look and put all this stuff together, you can very clearly see the global crisis, the effect that it will leave now, The effect of even the unilateral taco now, of the mess they will have to clean up, the absolute abject mess. And then alternatively, if we do have to escalate in Iran, what that would continue to create and to escalate in terms of, we really just have no good options right now.
16:05You know Roald Dahl, the writer who thought up Willy Wonka, Matilda, and the BFG. But did you know he was also a spy?
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19:14So we wanted to turn our attention to this new law that just passed in Israel, which is really first of its kind, which applies effectively the death penalty to one ethnic group over the other. So Palestinians will be slated for death by hanging, and it does not apply with effectively no exceptions to Jewish Israelis. So let's put this up on the screen from Haaretz. This is something that Ben Gavir, you can see a picture there, has been pushing hard. He was celebrating with champagne yesterday after this monstrous, ghoulish bill passed through the Israeli Knesset. So Israel passes bill mandating death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal acts of terrorism.
19:56The bill's wording creates a distinction designated almost exclusively for Palestinian terror, while the ideological burden of proof it sets is expected to make its application to Jewish nationalist terror, difficult to impossible. So let me give you guys a little bit of background because even that headline is a bit misleading. So they say, okay, this is going to apply to Palestinians convicted of lethal acts of terrorism. That makes it sound like there's like a real judicial process where people get to go and they get to prove their innocence and that it's only by and large going to be people who are definitely guilty of these horrific crimes who are going to be subjected to the death penalty.
20:33Even if that was the case, the fact that you have this blatantly apartheid law that only applies to Palestinians and not to Jewish Israelis, that is unacceptable to begin with. But we also have to keep in mind the people that this would apply to, these are West Bank Palestinians by and large, who are convicted, tried in military courts that are effectively kangaroo courts. The conviction rate is, I've seen estimates, anywhere from 96 % to 99.6%. So it's effectively show trials. We know the way that Israelis not only sweep up Palestinians, you know, like just because they're military-aged males, but then they use torture to coerce confessions.
21:15And they put them through these show trials. And those are the people who would be slated for execution. So it's incredibly, incredibly disturbing. You can put E2 up on the screen. This is, as I said before, this is Ben Gavir wearing here a pin that has a picture of the hangman's noose there on his lapel, along with his acolytes, all of them drinking champagne and cheering about this mass death. So this is one of the other sponsors and pushers of this legislation, dressed up, you know, excited about the ability to hang Palestinians to death. You can see here some of the conditions that these, I mean, they rightfully should be called hostages, not prisoners of Palestinians the way that they are treated.
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22:02And I even saw one person who had been through these torture camps. You know, these are the type of places where, of course, we had the right to rape protests and the horrific abuse that's been documented by many human rights organizations. In any case, I saw a Palestinian former hostage of the Israelis saying, you know, don't be sad about this because many days the torture was so bad that we actually wished for death. So Sagar further codifying here a new way to mass murder Palestinians and further entrench and codify what is just undeniably at this point an apartheid state.
22:38Rory Johnston:Yeah. Again, the new law can only apply the death penalty for homicides intended to negate the existence of the state of Israel, which means it explicitly would rule out like settlers and others who were convicted in the 1990s of gunning down a Palestinian. So this is, I mean, look, let's call it the way that it is. And even in Israel, you know, the so-called like secular left, they're like, oh, this goes too far. Like this makes it seem very explicit the way that we're applying the law. And we're like, yeah, that's kind of the problem, by the way, you know, with the entire system of the way that it's all working out.
23:12Rory Johnston:But I mean, I just think it just, What we need to demonstrate, my goal, I guess, with all of this is just to show the people that we've empowered and the society, which is supposedly so Western, normal, that we're protecting, that we are protecting, coddling, and helping expand. That's the part which actually galls the most because a state like this, as you know, I'm not a moralist. If they want to exist, fine, whatever. That's your business. But don't be asking me for my money and your free health care and your defense to fight your war. And now it's to expand. Like just this morning, the Israeli defense minister said, we're declaring a security buffer zone for the entire one-third of Lebanon.
23:50Rory Johnston:That's one million people displaced. And when he says that, they're never leaving. They even said, we're going to demolish all homes on the border just unilaterally. In invasion, in annexation, a control. I mean, effectively, security control, which is, you know, possession is nine-tenths of the law, of this entire region. The world says nothing. So we take this society, we're copying and pasting it onto West Bank, onto Gaza, onto Syria, portions of northern Syria, and now onto Lebanon empowering and paying for this Israeli empire. I mean, think about the land grabs that these people have made since October 7th.
24:30Rory Johnston:That's the craziest part. I mean, I know people get uncomfortable when you throw this around, but it truly is a Nazi state and a Nazi ideology. I mean, from the expansionist vision, the greater Israel project, the repeated invasions and annexations to the ethnosupremacist ideology and the outright – the entrenchment codification like from a state level of mass death. And then the celebration, like that even is next, the celebration, the wearing that noose and celebrating mass death, mass murder in that way is truly something that is sick beyond belief. I mean, words fail to describe just how sick that is.
25:12But this comes from a blanket dehumanization of Palestinians where they are the ultimate evil. They are inherently bad. We are inherently good. That's what the ethnosupremacist ideology means. we are inherently good. So anything we do is inherently good. Anything we do to you is inherently good. And, you know, this thing passed without a problem, without a problem. Netanyahu changed it a little bit to have some like little bit of ass covering, slight differences that make no essential change to the actual functioning of the law. And so, you know, here we are. And just to underscore the point I was making before, put E3 up on the screen.
25:50You know, these are kangaroo courts. These are military tribunals that Palestinians are subjected to. You know, the judges come right at their, you know, their IDF judges. And the conviction rate, according to 972 magazine, and this is from a number of years ago, other estimates I've seen are 96%. But what they found is 99.74%. Okay. Torture, which is used to coerce confessions. Palestinians swept up for minor infractions, children held in these prisons as well, and then just blanket across the board a mandate, a mandate that if you are convicted in these kangaroo courts of these certain crimes, that you will be hung to death within 90 days of your conviction.
26:39Let's go ahead and put E4 up on the screen. We've got a little bit of a polling here about the support for the war, which continues to be extremely high, very different political landscape in Israel for the war with Iran, then here you still have 78 % of Jewish Israelis who support continuing the war. Now, that is down from the 93 % who supported it a month ago. I guess you have some small percentage that are getting tired of living in bomb shelters. But, you know, you still have overwhelming support. And then meanwhile, what they call Arab Israelis, which are Palestinians who live in Israel, 19 % support the war.
27:18I guess originally it was about 26%. So you can see the way the society is completely divided here. We also wanted to get to this incident that unfolded with CNN's Jeremy Diamond and his team on the ground. So his photojournalist was actually assaulted by IDF soldiers. And then he was, Jeremy was able to speak to these IDF soldiers and ask them basically like, what are you doing? And their responses were incredibly, incredibly revealing about the way that the settlement movement works and the way that they are supported by the IDF and by the state and the way this whole thing is designed. Let's go and take a listen.
28:02This is E6 to that. Producer Abir Salman identifies us as journalists before translating the soldiers' commands. Sit down, sit down. Sit down. So the soldiers just immediately came up and started pointing the roepans directly at us, telling everyone to sit down immediately. Obviously, we're not posing any threat here. The commander comes straight for our camera. And within seconds… No! Yo! Yo! Mata usted! Mata usted! Whoa! A soldier has just put photojournalist Cyril Theophilus in a chokehold, forcing him to the ground. Don't touch him like that. Don't touch him like that. Give me my phone. The soldier who assaulted Theophilus continues to demand he turn off his camera before another smacks my phone.
28:47So as you can see, what we have seen happen in the last 24 hours is that settlers came to this area. They settled that hilltop. And now you have a lot of soldiers coming to this area with the Palestinians in this area. They're on top of the home of Imad, the man that we were just speaking to. And we're seeing the soldiers treat the Palestinians in the area as a threat when really what started this problem was obviously the settlers who came in the middle of the night and took over land that's not theirs. The Palestinians here are detained and questioned. Soldiers detain us too and walk us back to our vehicle.
29:21They say they're trying to establish order between settlers and Palestinians. So then let's put the next piece up on the screen. And this is a VO. I'll read you what happens here. This is an exchange between Jeremy and one of the soldiers who is, you know, so they're having this interaction. And Jeremy says they don't have permission to be here, even under Israeli law. He's talking about the illegal settler outpost. He says even under Israeli law, this is not a legal settlement. This is one of these outposts that they strike up. The soldier says, but it will be a legal settlement. It will be. Jeremy says, how do you know this?
29:57Slowly, slowly, thanks to your help, right? Jeremy says, of course, I help my people, says this IDF soldier. He goes on to talk about how the reason that they're doing what they're doing and helping these settlers is because of, quote unquote, revenge. Because of one of the settlers who was killed in some sort of a car incident. The details are very murky. But in any case, they explicitly say that they are doing what they're doing because they are seeking revenge. And, you know, this is something that Jasper Nathaniel has talked to us about. So you have these sort of designated, quote unquote, by Israeli law, legal settlements.
30:34They're illegal under international law, but Israeli law says these settlements, OK, these are officially sanctioned. And then what settlers will do is they'll create these outposts. They'll just go in and steal Palestinian land and set up a tent, put a car there. And then gradually those outposts, which are illegal, again, even under Israeli law, let alone under international law, those settlements will grow. And then eventually the state will come in and say, okay, it's legal now. And so that's what the soldier is talking about there. He says, well, it's illegal now, but it's going to be legal in the future.
31:06And Jeremy says, oh, with your help? And he's like, yeah, of course, I help my people. And it just shows you exactly what's going on here.
31:11Rory Johnston:What's really crazy about this is that I don't really know why. I don't pretend to understand, like, the Zionist community in the U.S., but every once in a while they just, like, pay attention. And so, you know, that pogrom that we covered a few weeks ago, for some reason they were all like, wow, Bibi really needs to do something about this. With this one, though, it's pretty clear they just messed up. They messed with the wrong journalists. They happened to mess with a United States citizen from CNN. That's it. By the way, does anybody remember? They just murdered those two guys in Lebanon, and they Photoshopped his body onto a Hezbollah military uniform.
31:43Rory Johnston:They even admitted it. They're like, yeah, we Photoshopped it, right? Yeah. I mean, these people, they don't care whatsoever. It's basically in their training. In their IDF response, they're like, we have instituted, we've called back what the entire reservist brigade, and we are going to retrain them. And you're like, well, this behavior's been happening this whole time. The same brigade is responsible. Didn't they kill a citizen, a US citizen? I believe they're responsible, at least, in some way, not to mention for all of their behavior. This is part and parcel, I think, for what they are. It also, I think, demonstrates the serious problems for the IDF, which the IDF chief even warned about.
32:21Rory Johnston:They're stretched to the brink. They've got these reservist 19-year-olds. You know, five of them got killed yesterday in Lebanon. So that's a real disaster, I think, for a society which is not very big. And then they're stretched all across the brink. And then you've probably just got the same phenomenon of, you know, putting people in various different places, no oversight, this same culture where you've encouraged this with Gaza. This is what it creates. So this particular battalion is called the Netza Yehuda 97th Battalion, and it's an ultra-Orthodox Israeli military unit and has come under scrutiny before.
32:58In fact, the Biden administration considered sanctioning them because they have done all sorts of wild things in the past as well. I don't want to make it sound like they're out of line with official government policy. They're not, but they are a bit of an outlier in terms of their aggressive tactics and I guess how brazen they are about it. And so this is, you know, this ultra-Orthodox unit that's set up to basically, you know, comes from a bunch of the settlers and set up because, you know, they have religious restrictions on men and women serving together, etc. So that's what this particular battalion is.
33:31And worth noting that the Biden administration considered sanctioning them, but didn't. And apparently Tony Blinken himself intervened and convinced them like, no, no, the Israelis will handle it. They're on it. And there's a moral army in the universe, you know, blah, blah, blah. And so now they're doing this PR thing of pulling them from the field and sending them for quote unquote retraining, as you said. I mean, it reminds a little bit of like, you know, the ICE like rampaging. Like the training was really not the issue. The problem was the mission that they were set on. The problem was what leadership wanted them to do.
34:01That's the problem here as well, where it's not just this battalion. It's the IDF in general is there by and large to protect settlers and help push forward the settlement movement. And they understand that to be the mission. They understand that to be what they're doing. They are a force for the Israeli government's project of continually expanding settlements and stealing Palestinian land. So Jeremy actually, to his credit, who I think handled this all very admirably, He spoke to this in response to the Israelis saying, oh, we're so sorry, and we're going to pull them, we're going to retrain them, etc.
34:37Let's take a listen to E8. The Israeli military has indeed taken what appears to be unprecedented action in the result of this, both in speed and in scope, with the Israeli military's chief of staff suspending the entire battalion from operations in the West Bank, sending them back for training. All of that happening within 48 hours of our report airing. In addition, Meir, that soldier that you saw speaking about revenge, about helping illegal settler outposts become legal, he has been dismissed from the Israeli military altogether. The soldier who assaulted my cameraman, Cyril Theophilus, he has been he is under investigation now by Israel's military police.
35:16We will follow, of course, the results of that investigation. But I do think it's important to note that the swiftness and the scale of this response is only really happening in large part because of who we are, Because we are journalists working for an American news network, we have seen incidents similar to this before involving Palestinian journalists where there is no accountability. We have also continued to watch as settler violence in the West Bank has continued to increase at a dramatic pace. And on that count as well, we have not yet heard a sufficient response from the Israeli military about what they are going to do to counter that growing settler violence against Palestinians.
35:53And that is also an issue that we will continue to cover extensively. Yeah, I really appreciate him highlighting the fact that, yeah, if this was a Palestinian journalist, they wouldn't have done anything whatsoever. If anything, they would have arrested or criminalized Palestinian journalists. And that's the flip side of the conversation we were having earlier about how Palestinians are put through this military, quote unquote, military court system where they're all convicted with almost no exception. And then on the flip side of that is when settlers steal land, brutalize Palestinians, even murder Palestinians.
36:24They almost never face any sort of criminal conviction or accountability, which is what makes it even more remarkable that Ben Gavir is actually a convicted terrorist even within Israel. That shows you what an absolute maniac and racist monster that guy is.
36:41Rory Johnston:Everybody go and follow Jeremy because don't forget who's about to buy CNN. and so I wouldn't be so sure that David Ellison and crew are going to allow any reports like that anytime soon. The preview of The Real Future was last night when Jake Tapper spent eight minutes on a segment about Hassan Piker's anti-Semitism. Oh my God. What a fucking joke. And one of the guys, sorry, one of the guys that he had on his panel about bigotry too was out all day defending the racist - No, I know that. The racist law - It's crazy. mandating that Palestinians be mass murdered, um, in, you know, through this new system.
37:17I mean, it's just insane.
37:19Rory Johnston:Do you know how long eternity eight minutes is on cable television? So 44 minutes in a one hour show. I'm just going to dedicate eight minutes to this. Yeah. Uh, yeah. First of all, yeah, you could have done a segment on the Israeli thing. Even that, I mean, if I had 44 minutes, I think our first block today was 38 minutes. I can guarantee you that's not what I'm talking about. And yeah, I just, I'm still gobsmacked, uh, by the entire thing. You know, look, Hassan and I have our differences, but for fuck's sake, I mean, can we take this thing like a little bit seriously? Yeah. So crazy. Yeah. That same dude too, by the way, was one of the ones who was like attacking Miss Rachel as being anti-Semitic for standing up for kids in Gaza.
37:55That's who they brought on for this panel about bigotry, where he instantly said that every Jew in the world is associated with Israel and, you know, loves that. I mean, that's, which was actually anti-Semitic and offered on that panel. It's really funny.
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41:19Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. All right, we've got one more rather dystopian story here. So Trump's been very excited about his big, ugly new ballroom. Kyle calls it the Jeffrey Epstein Memorial Ballroom that he's constructing. He let slip a little interesting nugget about some of the facets of this ballroom yesterday. Let's take a listen to that. Now the military is building a big complex under the ballroom, which has come out recently because of a stupid lawsuit that was filed. But the military is building a massive complex under the ballroom, and that's under construction, and we're doing very well.
42:02So we're ahead of schedule. That's part of it. The ballroom essentially becomes a shed for what's being built under the military, including from drones and including from any other thing. The glass on the windows, you see the big windows. The glass is extremely thick. It's high grade bulletproof glass. So all of the windows are bulletproof. I think the Times wrote, gee, some of the windows are fake. We have no fake windows. They said they talked about a stairway in the south. We don't have a stairway in the south. That was replaced a long time ago. But this is a view of it from the north. death and that's if you see it it fits in with the white house it's almost a twin to the white house it's uh something we just wanted to pay tribute to the white house so there you go admitting the military is building a massive complex to do something underneath of this ball room and sagar you and i were getting questions yesterday in the ama about this and we hadn't seen this news yet and we're like oh there was some youtube thing about a data center i haven't seen any proof for it and then trump just just i mean i've had people come up to me i have been
43:11Rory Johnston:I'm up to me on the street and beg me to cover the ballroom data center. I'm not going to, this happened like three times. Yeah. And I'm always like, what the fuck are you talking about? But I mean, listen, all right, let's, let's put the hat on. First, let's give the innocent explanation. Here's the innocent explanation. The PIOC, the Presidential Emergency Operations Center is a piece of shit. If you read, let's say, I'm trying to think. There's a good book, Days of Fire. There you go. Peter Baker, A History of the Bush Presidency. Bush is stunned the first time he has to go down there. He's woken up in the middle of the night, like after 9-11.
43:42Rory Johnston:They're like, sir, you have to go to the emergency bunker. And he goes down there and it's like 1960s technology. He's literally sleeping on a cot like him and his wife. And he's like, this is untenable. Apparently, it's basically not been upgraded since that time. There's been minor cosmetic improvements, but it's a 1960s bunker at the end of the day. It's really not that great. We want our presidents to write out the nuclear population style. Right, exactly. I mean, yeah. While the rest of us. Anyone else watching Paradise? Not to give away too much. But yeah, so like that's the existing situation with the Presidential Emergency Operations Center.
44:12Rory Johnston:In 2025, they had already reported that they wanted to completely think about it. Trump, he's not going to be in an unstylish bunker, right? So he needs a nicer bunker to survive a nuclear apocalypse. That he's bringing upon us. So what is he going to do? So he's going to build a new one. Well, the new one is – well, the current one is under the existing White House complex. so if you're gonna build this giant ballroom, you might as well put a new Piaq underneath the ballroom. So that's the innocent explanation. At the same time, everybody else who's freaking out and is like, well, if you have all these billionaires building these bunkers in New Zealand, and then the president himself wants to build a new, but you're like, what does he know that I don't know?
44:52Rory Johnston:Which is entirely rational, again, for anybody who's watching the show Paradise. Again, not to give away too many spoilers, but it's actually unironically something that would happen. Secret knowledge, people with means, building bunkers, especially in the middle of this Iran crisis. Maybe they know something that we don't. It's scary. I mean, here's the thing. Like the president can't tell the future any more than we can. He has access to additional information that we don't. Although I'm not even sure that's true because apparently he has less information by his own choice because he decides to just get these two minute hype reel briefings instead of consuming actual information.
45:28But in any case, he can't tell the future, but he knows. Oh, I'm courting. We are a nuclear-armed superpower. Our buddy Israel is also nuclear-armed, increasingly superpower. We are courting this confrontation both with Russia and China. And, oh, by the way, Iran may be pursuing a nuclear weapon as well. Do we put it out of the realm of possibility that Israel drops a nuke? No, we don't. And then off to the races, who the fuck knows what happens next? So I'm going to get a bunker. I'm going to make sure I'm good So I can play these end times, you know, apocalypse games because, you know, it'll be fine.
46:01Me and my family and my aides will be will be good. Good luck. Rest of the world. Not to mention this again gets into the, you know, the mentality of these old men who are running the world who have no long term interest in survival of human civilization. Apparently, Caroline Levitt was asked about this yesterday. Let's go ahead and take a listen to what she had to say. Can you tell us more about this massive military complex underneath the president's new ballroom? I cannot tell you more about that, actually, as a matter of fact. However, the military is making some upgrades to their facilities here at the White House, and I'm not privy to provide any more details on that at this time.
46:41So, military making some upgrades. It's not just Trump freelancing. And also, I just have to comment on when he's holding up the board and whatever, like, this is what he actually cares about, this frickin' ballroom. This is the passion project, right? He's sick of the Iran. The Iran war has become tedious to him. That's his issue with it. And he wants out of there. And he's looking at the market. It's not going too good. I'm sick of doing this. He just wants to focus on like his gold trimmings that are going into his nuclear bunker so he can survive the apocalypse that he himself has created.
47:09Yeah, this is, look, I don't know.
47:12Rory Johnston:This entire thing is the bunker. Okay, but then let's have fun with it. Aliens, right? Wait, what? Huh? How? With the bunker. He needs to survive. They're coming to kill us all. They can't do anything about it. Instead of a nuclear apocalypse, he's gonna go down there, he's gonna save himself, him and his friends. It's possible. Can't rule it out. What is the data center theory of why they're building a data center into the White House? Some secret data. Look, I'm not ruling it out. Maybe they have a point. I have not fully delved into it. It's like some secret military installation and it would be a large data center to, I think, to collect information on all America, like some sort of supercomputer.
47:54Rory Johnston:Palantir. Palantir, yes, sub-state that would exist. I mean, a bunker to survive a nuclear or alien apocalypse makes a lot more sense to me. That's just me, so I don't know. Keep, tell us your own theories. Tell us your own theories and maybe why it fits with the data centers. All right, thank you guys so much for watching. We appreciate you. Wednesday. So Ryan and Emily on tomorrow. I think Professor Pape is on tomorrow, right? Yeah. So yeah, enjoy. Enjoy a shakeup in the Professor Pape interview. So you had to change his schedule. They'll see you then.
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