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26:44But I agree. That's I mean, get on the record. And Emily, didn't they ultimately pass like a two week extension of Pfizer or something like that to the end of April? Is that what ultimately happened? Yeah. Yeah. I saw Roe posting a video of him like in the car on the way over to Congress, you know, blasting them for for what they're trying to do. So, yeah, we just get more hypocrisy and broken promises from from Trump and the Republicans on that one. Clearly, it's insane behavior. Yeah. Here's the tear sheet. They punted a procedural vote on it as the Hill is reporting here. So. And now the No Panic Party Save, brought to you by Grand Appliance.

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30:04Emily, what's going on with this? Why don't you take this one? You're the number one Z-head on the show. he released a video didn't he he did he released a very viral video uh and grifford you can put the element up on the screen should we roll the video actually yeah we'll watch the video because so it's good so then they said that this was their most watched video ever which is a high bar for them because they've had some viral bangers in the past so i think that's pretty interesting emily i'm surprised we have a presidential response to this as well oh no i watched the video. Okay, let's do it.

30:42I have thoughts on the video. That's why I was feeding you the segment. Let's do it. Zora Mamdani. When I ran for mayor, I said I was going to tax the rich. Well, today we're taxing the rich. I'm thrilled to announce we've secured a pied-a-terre tax, the first in New York's history. This is an annual fee on luxury properties worth more than $5 million whose owners do not live full-time in the city. Like for this penthouse, which hedge fund CEO Ken Griffin bought for$238 million. This peer-to-tear tax is specifically designed for the richest of the rich, those who store their wealth in New York City real estate but who don't actually live here.

31:19But even so, they're able to reap the huge financial rewards of owning property in, dare I say, the greatest city in the world. And most of the time, these units are sitting empty since, again, they don't actually live here. This is a fundamentally unfair system that hurts working New Yorkers. Now, it's coming to an end. This tax will raise at least$500 million directly for the city. It'll help fund things like free childcare, cleaner streets, safer neighborhoods. As mayor, I believe everyone has a role to play in contributing to our city. And some a little bit more than others. Happy Tax Day, New York.

31:53Wow. Complete with succession music. And let's check the view count currently. it is at 42.4 million views on X.com. Pretty much like a typical Breaking Points clip, basically, more or less. Absolutely. With a little bit of a rounding error there. Yeah. Now, before we get Emily's take on it, I wanted to hear from some of the other haters. Of course, we had Linda. Are you assuming Emily's a hater? I'm assuming that Emily's going to find some middle ground here. I know she's a big Ken Griffin fan, but... Yeah, I love Ken. Linda Yaccarino says, this is actually one of the scariest things I have seen.

32:36It won't stop here. That's a, it's a nice life then. Very, very few spooks for her. And this is a lady who worked with Elon Musk. Yeah. And that wasn't scary? Come on, lady. Let's be real. Let's be real. And a few others I'll pull up here really quickly. But this is just part of it. There was thousands of these on X.com, the website for people with expensive condos, apparently. How does Ken Griffin owning a$238 million condo NYC, he only visits occasionally, harm New Yorkers exactly? He pays an extraordinary high property tax to the city for services he barely uses. Why ridicule him for this? and of course we have Trump who finally had to say something about his BFF.

33:27Let's take a read here. Trump says, sadly, Mayor Mamdani is destroying New York. It has no chance. The United States of America should not contribute to its failure. It will only get worse. The tax, tax, tax policies are so wrong. People are fleeing. They must change their ways and fast. History has proven this stuff, in quotations, just doesn't work. Thank you for your attention to this matter. So that's where we're at with the reactions here. Emily, what do we make of this? Well, I think part of the reason the video has so many views is that the billionaires freaked the F out over the video and drew so much attention to it.

34:08I mean, even just saying this is the scariest thing or one of the scariest things that she's ever seen. She was the CEO of X. I don't know if she still is, but that's remarkable. because honestly, middle-class taxes should probably be the scariest thing that you've ever seen. Even if you're – that's the scariest thing, the pied-a-terre. I'm totally against our tax regime. I'm a flat tax person. So that's for the reasons that it would close all of the loopholes. And so don't get me wrong, but even if you're in my camp, The scariest thing I've ever seen is like middle class tax hikes that are there was just a poll the other day.

34:52Vast majority of Americans believe that they're overtaxed. And the people who believe that they're overtaxed also include billionaires, which is often hilarious because the assumption baked into that one post is that he's paying high property taxes. We actually don't know that in the case of Ken Griffin. He could be using his real estate portfolio in various ways to take his tax bill down. He could be taking advantage of all kinds of different breaks. And people were making this argument that by buying expensive real estate, buying pied-a-terres that they don't use very often, they're paying taxes, they're paying staff.

35:29So they've created jobs and that it's like only a net benefit. There's no, there's no, like nothing is getting sucked out of the system or out of the city because they're there. Again, why then is it such a big deal for Ken Griffin to pay a little bit more? And I'm not even arguing for that. I'm arguing against the insane freak out that, like, why are you freaking out so much over the pied-a-terre tax? Like, are you serious? You're just making Mom Donnie look more and more reasonable with your insane reactions to this. So, yes. It's crazy. But Crystal, how is the city going to function if these billionaires can't use all of these apartments as like public storage units?

36:24I'm not really sure what they're doing with them. They will continue to have those apartments. They will continue to have those apartments. Where are they going to go? Miami? Come on. But that's the thing. This is they don't even live in New York. Like that's why they had this second homes in New York that are sitting empty. So these are people who have already moved to Miami or whatever. I think Ken himself lives in Miami. So, you know, in a sense, if you're playing the game of like, it's going to chase them out of the city. Well, this incentivize them to move to the city. Then they can avoid this tax if they just actually lived in the in the apartments that we all know, like Emily was saying, that's they're not going to do that.

36:59They're going to pay this and they will pay it without even noticing because it's such a tiny, minuscule, pathetic flea on the ass of their net worth that it will not even it will not even be noticeable to them. It would be like, you know, an average person buying a not a Starbucks coffee, but like, you know, a coffee at the bodega that's actually inexpensive. Well, the coffee is probably gone up and it's probably expensive now, no matter what. Anyway, you get what I'm saying. So the free count, I think, that Emily points to is kind of the genius of this little piece of film. You know, we should we should be realistic about five hundred million dollars.

37:40A lot of money is not going to close what I think is a five billion dollar budget deficit in New York City. It's not going to fund all the proposals. It will help. Right. Like they're going forward with the public owned grocery stores. I think those are supposed to cost about 30 million dollars a piece. So, OK, we're funding those. That's fantastic. But the free count is kind of the point. You know, it's a very Trumpian play, in a sense, where Zoran knows, look, if you pull, I don't care, Democrat, independent, Republican, New York, Kansas, Oklahoma, wherever you are. If you pull, should we tax billionaires a tiny bit more?

38:16The response is going to be overwhelmingly, yes, absolutely. Let's do it now. Let's do it today. So he picks the fight on his terms where he knows he's got, especially in the city of New York, it's like, you know, would be like an 80-20 issue at worst, at worst for him. The predicted meltdown ensues, which is why he personalizes it, because he knows that will also trigger the right wingers here. And he comes off looking like an absolute political genius and populist hero. He also comes out really being able to advertise the fact that he was able to deliver on a core promise. He says, I said I was going to tax the rich and now I'm taxing the rich.

39:03Now, he's not doing the particular tax that he said, you know, that was the original plan. But the fact that he was able to get Kathy Hochul to go along with this and work with her is in and of itself a significant political achievement and something that people did not think he would be able to achieve. She has been very smart in recognizing that Zoran has a real base and is a real force to reckon with politically. And so she has had to bend a bit and come towards him. And he is very clever in spinning this as a complete and total victory, when in reality it's more symbolic and more of a political win than anything else.

39:43Yeah, and I just like I want to contrast this with the California billionaire tax, which I know we all disagree on. I'm sure you two disagree with me on that. I think there's really good evidence that people actually will leave California, like 30 percent of the base has already actually left. That's according to a Hoover Institute study, obviously conservative. it, but there are plenty, I mean, we all have seen that there are plenty of billionaires and centimillionaires who have left California. All that is to say, this is not that. They are right now defending higher taxes on fifth homes. That's what they're saying.

40:16It's one of the scariest things I've ever seen. Good luck. Go ahead. Good luck. What scary is the political numbers in favor of defending billionaire fifth homes in New York City? Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. And that's, again, like this is so different. So the California tax, which is, uh, something that Rose is very supportive of, he sees it as an anti-revolutionary tax. I actually agree with him on that point that there, it probably is something like that. Um, but I think it, it sets, it's a one-time thing. I hate the precedent that it sets, uh, in terms of just like wealth, uh, confiscation from the government.

40:53We don't have to have that debate to just say that it's completely different from what this is. And the freak out is almost at the same level. Um, They're not going to leave New York because the reason that they have their pied-a-terres is that they have meetings in New York once a month, once every three months, and they want a place to go. So that's not going to change. They want a place to entertain and have Epstein-style dinners. That's what they want to do. And so they're not going to get rid of them because they have to pay a little bit more. You might see one or two dramatically being like, okay, well, I'm going to be a renter in New York now or I'm going to go to Connecticut and have my dinners there.

41:30enjoy that. But in large part, you're not going to see people giving up their New York City pied-a-tares. It's not going to happen. Yeah. Go ahead, Griff. Go ahead. I was just going to say, for people who live in New York City, speaking of an 80-20 issue, people hate these billionaire row buildings that get built in Hudson Yards or ones that cover Central Park and are just completely empty. And all they do is create a shadow on the park. And they're basically just like pieces of like metal garbage that get put up in the city and where no one's even living in them. So, yeah, I mean, soccer has talked about that and the way that, you know, it hollows out these cities and makes them so that they're they're not real.

42:12They're just like, yeah, they're stopping stomping grounds or a resting place for the global elite as they happen to pass through. And you see that certainly most of all in Manhattan. So and I mean, obviously, soccer is conservative, like conservative populace. But I don't think that that is a totally unique view. So it really is a proposal that I feel like it's very hard to oppose. Because even if, okay, let's say Ken Griffin gets mad and he's like, I'm going to sell my$278 million condo. I'm moving out for a tiny little tax that he wouldn't even know. Okay, fine. Like you don't live here to begin with.

42:46And now you have, you know, more housing stock that is available. Now, of course, you're not going to have working class people moving in. But if you actually did reduce the demand for these like super, super luxury buildings, then developers would have more of an incentive to build things that ordinary people would be able to afford. Because I'm far less concerned about Ken Griffin moving out of the city and far more concerned about all of the working class people who cannot afford to live in New York City. They're the ones who have actually fled and are unable to sustain a life there even if they would like to.

43:22so uh one last note you know trump is deciding that he has to you know really play hardball now with mom donnie and talk about how mom donnie he talks to him all the time but he's ruining new york is now what is trump is saying out loud um but it is funny because zorn has gotten yet another um thing from trump this is in the new york times in a reversal the trump administration agrees to released nearly$60 million in funding for New York City's Second Avenue subway. So he just can't say no to this guy. Griffin, what did you think of the cinematic elements of the Tax the Rich video? I think that the freeze frame.

44:07I didn't like the close-up. Well, I think that close-up freeze frame is going to, yes, be in a museum one day. It's already being memed. Yes. I think something about that really struck home to people. And, you know, we talk a lot about taxing the billionaires, but looking down the barrel, tapping the lens, that's something like we're coming for you. So I appreciated the cinematic quality of it and the directness of it. And yeah, calling out someone by name. He had a similar dust up, didn't make a video for it, but there is a city council member in New York that's been getting in his way named Julie Menon.

44:47She is very, very rich. I believe she owns like a lot of real estate. She might be one of those multi-home owners as well. And seems like now she is bending to Zoran's will, at least on a few city council votes. So it does really seem like you said earlier, Crystal, like there is a base that people are aware of, afraid of. And the online billionaire rich people is not a real base because they live in they have five homes all over the place. They don't have a constituency. And Zoran is actually. And they have no. Yeah. And they have no loyalty. They have no loyalty to a city. They have no loyalty to a country.

45:27They have a lot of class loyalty to one another, as we saw demonstrated in the Epstein files. But, you know, they they play us all like fools, like, oh, you know, I'm going to take my toys and go home. But, you know, with regards to Zoran, I still think it's such a shame he can't run for president because I do think he has both the talent, the right messaging, and truly understands how to do politics today. Villains. Villains, which the Democratic Party refuses to do and people like the Abundance Ezra Klein people refuse to do, which is name villains and identify them, which is how people can focus politics.

46:05And to intentionally provoke, you know, and he's able to do it in a way where, you know, unlike Trump, who's like angry and outrageous and whatever, Zoran will just say a thing in his cheerful, you know, big smile, very polished way. and he knows how to press buttons to cause the freak out that he wants. And I think he expected that from this. And the other one that I think it's funny that there was such a freak out over is the grocery stores, which is like we're talking about five grocery stores in a massive city. It's the most insignificant part of his agenda. Now, I think it's a great pilot.

46:49I think it's good ideologically to demonstrate, like, here's a thing government could do. But that was it almost seemed like in the campaign outside of the Zionist piece, that was what the biggest freak out was about from, you know, it was, oh, my God, bread lines and communism. And this is Soviet, blah, blah, blah. It's like it's literally like literally the federal government runs grocery stores and basically every military base here and around the world. This is not that crazy of an idea. Everybody relax. It's going to be fine. And when he got asked about like, well, what if it doesn't work?

47:21He's like, then it didn't work. Then we try something else. No big deal. Right? Yeah, and that's why I actually think that people really need to pay way more attention to Roe describing the California piece as anti-revolutionary because the more that you treat these things like the pied-a-terre tax as total scariest thing you've ever seen or the end of America, grocery stores, the end of America, what they're really saying. The reason the right goes into hysterics over these things and the kind of business center goes into hysterics over these things is because they're correctly sensing that the country is saying the system is broken.

48:04If you have an alternative that I feel like is going to work better for me, I do not care if it is called socialism or democratic socialism. Do it. Do it. And people are going in that direction. So the billionaires and the centrist business people are correct to sense that that's happening. What they're doing is freaking out and saying, you're a horrible person if you support this. You are Stalin. You are Mao. You are taking America down that path instead of realizing. And there are all kinds of quotes from the Gilded Age to the first Gilded Age about this, where people like Carnegie were realizing that the way the system had been set up was sending people into like Bolshevism.

48:49And that the enemies of capitalism were the capitalists. The capitalists were starting to make capitalism unsustainable because it wasn't working for everyone. And what they should be doing instead of freaking out at anybody who's like, hey, a city-run grocery store might be nice. I can't afford the price of milk and eggs right now. They're treating that like it's Bolshevism instead of offering alternatives that are viable and making the case for their alternatives. They're just making the case against socialism. But they're also like inflating it to this cartoonish, like inflating the five grocery stores and a pied-a-terre tax into this cartoonish version of what it is.

49:33But they're not wrong about what it is, which is evidence that people want a new system and they're willing to accept, you know, more government intervention in the market. Yep. And if the Zoran grocery stores don't work, well, we can just go back to the Polly Market grocery stores that are popping up all over the place. That's the alternative they're offering. There are alternatives being offered, yes. There are alternatives offered by billionaires. I misspoke. They're doing the work. Emily, you said speaking of untenable, I think that leads us nicely to a warning from Senator Mark Warner, who predicts that college graduate unemployment is going to reach 30 percent in the next two years.

50:16Let's take a listen. But we all kind of describe how we make jobs AI adjacent. I've yet to see that they're there on that. And again, I think there will be productivity. I think there'll be job increases. I think there'll be innovation. But boy, oh boy, this short term next couple of years, you know, the stat I use, recent college grad unemployment's about 9%. I believe it'll go to 30 % within the next two years. And that will have a dual effect of not only making that age cohort appropriately concerned, but an awful lot of parents and grandparents who helped finance that education pretty pissed off.

51:00So how we get this right and what I've been trying to implore, we need the tech community, the hyperscalers to both help us through the transition and also help pay for it. So 30 % is a big number. I know you're restricting yourself to recent college grads there, but that's still really, really high. How did you get to that number? I got that number simply because I think most CEOs are not being what they say to me privately about the amount of job elimination that they're looking at is not what they're saying publicly. I think they're hesitant to literally say the full truth because they think they're afraid it's going to freak people out.

51:45And, you know, I think it will come less in the form of we're going to go out and fire X number. I think it's just the incoming. I don't know a single firm where their incoming class of new hires is not a half or a third of what it was even a few years back. I like the way that lady is lounging. She's so comfy doing that interview. I need to take a lesson from that. She already has a job. Crystal, you just brought your daughter to college tours. How does this make you feel in your own family's future? By the way, we have to just acknowledge, I mean, Crystal, you look incredible for having a college daughter.

52:28Who is touring? They were like, are you on tour? Yeah. Stop. Anyway, yeah, I feel seen. I mean, I'll tell you, like, my advice to my daughter going to school is, like, I don't know what the job landscape will look like. I have no idea. And no one, no one does. No one could tell you. So I think the best thing you can do is pursue studies that deepen your humanity. I mean, it kind of in a way is like a return to like the traditional liberal arts approach, because I don't know what else to advise. I mean, what I feel really, really bad for the people who were sold the like learn to code, you know, people who graduated with their computer science degree thinking they had their golden ticket like three years ago.

53:16And I mean, that path, that was, that's the first to go. That's already gone, right? If you're graduating with that degree now, good luck because that's already been, you know, Claude is going to handle it. Sorry, we don't need your services anymore. So look, is he right? Who knows? But this is someone who was a, you know, himself, if he's a billionaire, CEO. I think he's a billionaire. Very wealthy. CEO and certainly in tight with all of these guys. So if that's what they're telling him, I believe him because I don't see any reason why he would lie. Now, I would say as a senator and a politician who is rather senior and has, you know, fair amount of power and sway, what solutions are you offering, Mark Warner?

54:01Because I don't see that side of your politics whatsoever. If you truly believe college grad unemployment is going to 30 % in a matter of years, that necessitates a much more radical approach to changing the social contract than what I have ever seen from Mark Warner. And this is kind of what drives me crazy, you know, not only from him, but from all these tech CEOs who come out and like, well, we're going to get rid of human labor. So, you know, you guys should get ready for that. It's like, okay, well, you're announcing your intent to just completely rip up the social contract with no Democratic input whatsoever.

54:38In fact, the Democratic input you're getting is saying, stop. And people are starting to throw Molotov cocktails at Sam Altman's house. And yet I have heard none of them offer anything that approaches, including Dario Amadei, who's, you know, anthropic is supposed to be the most thoughtful one that comes anywhere close to approaching what would need to be done. Because the truth of the matter is what would need to be done is some sort of public ownership, public accountability, public benefit. And of course, the guys who own and control this. No, they want to be the oligarch king who comes out on top and that's what they're all racing to become.

55:13So I want to put some stuff up on the screen here. This is from the New York Fed. You can see this is the unemployment rates for recent college graduates versus other groups. So if you look all the way over here where we are right now. So this ends in December 2025. Yep. So you have the blue line is recent college graduates. Look, it's been rising steadily since these LLMs were ruled out. And economists say some of what's going on right now is not all attributable to LLMs. It's on top of a really shaky economy. Part of that is because you have like the mag seven propping up like what, 30 % of the Dow or the S &P.

56:01I mean, it's just like insane levels, maybe even more than that. But on top of that, tariffs and how you could add war into the mix. But look at where this this is recession levels creeping up into recession levels here. We're comparing this with around 2009, 2010 for recent college graduates. This is COVID. This is where it shoots up during COVID. But yes, it's going up really high. Now, let me share this one. This is a headline from Fortune. Gen Z men with college degrees now have the same unemployment rate as non-grads. So remember, that comes with a lot of debt for the average college graduate as well, somewhere around$40 ,000 on average of debt.

56:42So speaking of anti-revolutionary taxes, imagine, you know, many of you are actually probably don't have to imagine it because you're in those shoes. You're a 24-year-old college grad with$35 ,000 in debt. And if you had gone into, like if you had done a welding apprenticeship five years ago, you would be making more right now. But instead you did what the system was designed to make you do. And you trusted the authorities who told you this is the right path for you. And now you're saddled with debt and making less money than you could have been. and maybe even a more miserable and fragile job than you'd want to be in anyway.

57:25So it's really, really bleak. Yeah, the new tech sales pitch is so bizarre to me because the old tech pitches, the Steve Jobs, the original Silicon Valley people, their pitch was that technology will improve your life, that you're going to be able to access more, live a more full life. And now the pitch is life is over. Like there will be no more life and get used to that. And if all of our AI CEO predictions about the future are right, well, then you will have no life. And if they're wrong, we are going to crash the economy. So the pitch is needs some work, needs some massaging. And it's also a weird period where like these CEOs, like Crystal said, are so bad at making people feel good about their products or optimistic or not feel doom.

58:21And but they seem to like like the celebrity of it. So they keep putting themselves out there. Like Sam Altman is not a soothing figure. He's not someone that makes you feel calming or better. They could hire comms people to do this, but they somehow like the celebrity of being in all these interviews, talking about the future, and doing a terrible job at painting a future that anybody wants. I guess we should be grateful for that, right? I guess we should be grateful for that. Because it's very off-putting, but it also helps people to understand the reality of how dystopian it is. Yeah. I don't know.

58:57I didn't I didn't get through the whole Ronan Farrow piece about Sam Altman. But I mean, I guess basically the TLTLGR is he's a psychopath who lies all the time. So that's the guy who's, you know, allegedly could come out on top of this race to AGI and have more power than any human being has ever had in the history of humanity. So that's something we can look forward to. And speaking of social contract, now there has been a tech leader that has started to speak about a new social contract. I, of course, I'm talking about Elon Musk, who over the last two days has been talking about universal basic income through artificial intelligence.

59:39No, no, no. Universal high income. Oh, sorry. Universal high income. Really? Yeah. So, like, you know, what do people need? like 500 bucks a month every two months. We'll see. Let's take a listen. How much could a banana cost, Michael? We should be sort of complacent. We do need to be careful because the future is a range of possible outcomes and they're not all great. But at this point, I do agree with you that it's likely to be great. It's probably 80 % likely, maybe more likely to be great. And I do think we'll have universal hang-in income, we're basically just issuing money to people, you know, and the really just because the output of goods and services will so far exceed the money supply that, you know, that effectively have deflation because deflation is just the ratio of the outputs of goods and services to the money supply.

1:00:39so that that's uh so if you if the rate of growth of goods and services barxies the rate of growth of the money supply which i predict will happen uh then uh you will have deflation so what do we think about that uh brave new world that's communism just to be clear whoa i mean it actually well it isn't because he's talking about these i mean he would still be the owner if grok is the first to achieve, you know, get to the mountaintop, he still would be the owner of the technology. And so we would be completely dependent on the good graces of Elon Musk, who, you know, I think is pretty clearly eugenicist and has all sorts of other problems besides to then distribute this income as he sees to be adequate.

1:01:28And that's why, to me, the core issue really is ownership. Because let's say that Elon or Sam Altman or Mark Zuckerberg or one of these other characters, Mark Andreessen is appointed the head to Peter T. Whoever, right? Let's say that they - Mark Andreessen's appointed the head. Yeah, exactly. Yes, exactly. The dome. We'll just leave it there. The dome. He's at the top of the dome. Let's say that they, you know, the deflation happens, which is one of the potential promises of AI, you know, if it's able to deliver on all of the, like, utopian vision. And let's say that they decide that they want to keep us around, even though they really don't need us anymore, which is totally something that I think, you know, billionaires love having human beings and your average working class person around.

1:02:14So let's assume all of that and that they provide reasonable, let's say even high income. It still doesn't answer all the questions of what is this technology going to be used for? How is it going to be deployed? And so if we do believe the hype, and I don't know if we believe the hype, I think that's still an open question. But if we do believe the hype, there has to be a focus on who owns and who controls and who drives these technologies. And if, you know, I can already hear Emily saying, like, I also don't want it in the hands of just like the president of the United States, which I agree with.

1:02:55Like, God forbid, Donald Trump is the one who's deciding how this all goes, which is basically what's happening right now. There needs to be true small D democratic check where people have input and there is collaboration. There's an ability to control our own futures. And we're not just all hoping that Elon Musk is benevolent enough and smart enough to figure this all out. So that's why this is all so disturbing, so dystopian, and why even the proposals that they offer that sound like, OK, universal high income, I guess that sounds good. They preserve the key point of power for Elon and the other oligarchs.

1:03:37And I include, you know, Dario Amadei in the solutions that he's offered as well. Yeah. And the reason I was kind of joking about the communism point is that he already wants Grok. I mean, what Grok has contracts with XAI, I should say, has has contracts with the Pentagon. Like he is a he's a major defense contractor, actually even bigger than that. He's a major government contractor. And so what you have then is crony capitalism doing like universal. So like it's it's it's you know, the communist definition is it's not like exact and it's not exactly capitalism either. It's this like awful combination of both where you have someone who is not really democratically accountable either to the market or to voters because they're just this like version of Lockheed on steroids in this fantasy utopian future that Elon Musk has sketched out.

1:04:31So I agree that it's like wildly, it's not even Republican, lowercase r Republican. It's not Democratic. It's not Republican. It's just cronyism. And the thing that's crazy about, first of all, I mean, we could go into the entire conversation about how patronizing it is and how undignified it is for you to have to pay for your bread because of the benevolence, just based on the benevolence of Elon Musk and whomever is president and is giving Elon Musk this power or whatever. That's just disgusting and nobody should have to live that way. Gross. And secondly, they have so much money right now. It's hilarious to me that they think AI growth will be what creates universal high income.

1:05:17You know what they could do right now if they took pay cuts? They could probably do some version of universal high income right now. not high income, but they could do UBI right now. They just want to wait until everything explodes so they can be even richer. And then it costs them less percentage-wise of their wealth to distribute universal high income. So that's a reason that you shouldn't trust that they ever actually will do universal high income because parting with their cash, no matter how much they have is historically very, very difficult. And so if you think that they get more and suddenly decide, oh, here's a great way to do the system.

1:06:02Good luck with that. Yeah, and it's the same type of cast of characters that's freaking out about some minuscule tax on their pied-a-terre to fund, like, you know, a minor expansion of daycare in the city of New York. So, yeah, I don't think anyone should really trust their motives or intentions here. You don't want Linda Yaccarino cutting the checks? Okay.

1:06:25Well, I'm more of a Bill Ackman person myself. That's true. Yeah, you're an Ackman head. Do you guys remember when he paid to be in that tennis, in like, what was the U.S. Open? He like played in the U.S. Open? Oh, yeah. Iconic. That was amazing. Glenn was so mad about that. Glenn Greenwald was so mad about that. I forgot about that. Emily, that was communism. Okay. That was communism. But I will say, if you're relying on a government contractor for your regular income, we're getting pretty close. So, thanks for the great anti-communist warrior. And now, The Laundry Hero, brought to you by Grand Appliance.

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1:09:09Facts, very true Speaking of evil commies Let's go to AOC We've got AOC here in a clip Where she was asked by Julian Andrione From Dropsite News Shout out to Julian Friend of the show, Julian, Dropsite Capitol Hill reporter And she was asked about The race between Shikot Chakrabadi and Scott Wiener in California Shikot obviously your chief of staff, former chief of staff is running in San Francisco. That primary is in June. Obviously, you're not going to have a reporter tell you to endorse. But like, is that something you're are you at least monitoring the race, looking at it? I mean, what's your stance on show?

1:09:50I think for me overall, it's more about I'm trying to think about the role that I am trying to play more broadly in these things. You know, it's we've got four hundred and thirty five seats in Congress. Right. And there is this kind of moment where it's like when and not just with this race, with any race, once you go in, then it's like, what about this? What about this? What about this one? And I'm one person with, you know, a pretty amazing crack, but also lean team. And so we're thinking about kind of like how much of myself I'm pouring into this and how much of myself want to make sure that we're, you know, pouring into the task at hand.

1:10:36like, you know, what we've got going on here. So, but I think that what I will say is that I think that the primary environment that we're seeing is really great. I think that progressives have already notched some really impressive victories this early into the primary season. And we've got another, what, six or seven months of it to go. And I'm looking forward to having a lot of new colleagues here in November that we can, you know, it's been a lonely, really lonely road for the first eight years. And I'm really hoping that it'll be a little less lonely in November. My boss says, Emily, your face.

1:11:17Well, so for context, Julian's like six foot five. He's literally a giant. So that's why it was important context for audio only listeners. Yes. Yes. But I mean, you guys, you guys can cook on this. I'll let you guys go off. But that's that's a little bit a little bit of cope. So Crystal, they were like former allies, right? He was her chief of staff. I mean, he was with her during her upset campaign that where, you know, almost no one thought she would win. And then Ryan has done the reporting. I don't think anyone clearly like, listen, I'm reading into this. She's got some sort of a personal issue with him.

1:11:57Because otherwise, this is your former chief of staff. There is another progressive in the race, but he is the one that, according to the polls, has the actual chance to win. He is part of your ideological project and movement. He's up against the state Senator Scott Wiener, who is generally progressive except Palestine. He's tried to position, reposition himself, recognizing where the base of the party is. But it's very clear, Schoigert is the left wing candidate with the best shot to win. And not only does she not endorse him, she doesn't say a single thing about him. Nothing. No kind words.

1:12:31No, I think he's a great progressive, but I'm just about. No. So she clearly has some sort of a personal beef and is allowing that to cloud her commitment to a broader movement. So she says in that, like, I'm trying to figure out what kind of role I'm going to play. It's like, lady, I thought you were trying to play the role of a progressive leader. So, you know, if you're trying to do that, then whatever your hurt feelings are, whatever happened in the past, you put that aside because you're supposed to be helping to get these candidates in so you're not so lonely in Congress anymore. I mean, the whole thing, everything about it is cope and nonsense too, because she also does this thing, oh, our staff is so lean, blah, blah, blah.

1:13:12There's plenty of other people out there who managed to make endorsements and, you know, serve in Congress and it's not that hard. And you yourself have made other endorsements. So it's not like you're waiting to rip the bandaid off, you know, so I don't know. I just look at this and it's very, it's not honest. Number one, it's not direct. None of it makes sense. This does not appear to me someone who is comfortable or truly desires to be in a leadership role. And so it's just very honestly, just very sad to me because she has so much potential to be such an important force right now at a time when the political project that she has helped been a very important part of is taking flight, does have this momentum.

1:13:57Annalilia Mejia won overwhelmingly in New Jersey last night. That's awesome. By the way, AOC endorsed her, managed to endorse her without a problem, without it stretching her too thin or whatever. But in any case, right at the moment when she could really be pushing the ball forward, she's so reticent. And, you know, I feel like, and not to over-psychologize her, but she's taken so much criticism from the right. She's taken criticism from the left, from myself included, because I do hold her to a higher standard as someone who wants to position herself as the vanguard of the left. You know, I expect her to be occupying that space, and there have been instances where she has not.

1:14:40And in response to that criticism, Rather than going out there and making her case and kind of doing battle, she's withdrawn. You know, she doesn't go on shows like ours and not just ours. She doesn't go on, you know, she'll occasionally go on with Hassan. Maybe she's gone on a majority report once. But she'll go on Hassan for like, she'll go on Hassan for like four minutes, right? Like these aren't even like long, long sit downs. That is kind of the interesting thing about, I guess, AOC's theory of media, which is to do Instagram videos, to have like complete control, right? Do your stories, do your Instagram lives and have complete control of your media message.

1:15:18Do a quick snippet to a news camera outside the Capitol or whatever, and sort of have a full control there. You know, we came out of 2024, which was the podcast election, or that's how people refer to it. It was really like four guys. It was like Schultz, Theovan, Rogan, Tim Dillon. But maybe that... Lex has kind of disappeared a little bit. This is Nelk Boys erasure. I'm so sorry. Yeah, it's the Nelk Boys. We can add them. But those were like the four horsemen of the podcast election. Maybe 2028, maybe they aren't the four horsemen. Maybe they actually don't have as much sway in 2028. Like, who's to say there?

1:15:57But I do think it's clear that... Like, can you imagine AOC doing a two hour podcast anywhere right now? I do think it's like a weakness for her. But I guess her theory of the case is like, maybe she doesn't have to do them. Maybe she can just stay on Instagram, stay on these places, not have to sit down for a long time with anyone. Like, didn't we already didn't we already learn that that's not the case with Kamala Harris? Like, didn't we already find this out? And even if, let's say that that general media theory is correct, that she can do her own media and she's a big enough star that people will come to her and see what she has to offer.

1:16:38Number one, I think Zoran's content is vastly like more polished and effective than hers. I haven't seen anything she's put out that is like hit anywhere close to like what his, you know, billionaire tax video or even his like halal cart video or any of those. Right. So that's number one. I don't even think that she's doing a particularly good job, if that's the theory. But number two, remember when she went to that, what was the Munich Security Conference? And she kind of fell flat on her face. Even people who want to defend her had to admit that it wasn't exactly a polished presentation. And I personally had some issues with the ideological content of the answers as well.

1:17:17Well, that doesn't come out of nowhere. that's because she's not putting in reps if you're not facing hostile questioning if you're not having to deal with the questions that people have you're not going to be good at it no matter I don't care how talented you are it requires practice it was like Tim Walls you know like JD was going on all of the shows JD was getting his reps in and then you go to the VP debate Tim Walls all Tim Walls was doing was eating corn dogs at the county fair and like hiding from reporters and then you go You go to the VP debate and he gets walloped by Vance. Vance started out not that great on camera.

1:17:54We interviewed Vance before he was the nominee, and he was far less talented back then. I mean, you can say what you want about him right now if you don't feel he's talented currently, but he did put in reps. He got better. So the Aura Walls would go on really, really gentle dad podcasts and that type of thing. That's actually a really good point about the media. When you're in an environment, you can study all you want. But when it actually is like you're at the Munich Security Conference and people are asking you about Taiwan, you can tell that she sort of freezes because she's trying to bring up the points that she's studied for, which a lot of politicians do.

1:18:38but that's very interesting and it also the thing that stuck with me from what you guys have been talking about because from the outside I disagree a little bit um and again I'm I'm observing this from the outside I think she's actually been I think there's a chance that we look at this 10 years from now and we're like she played it pretty cleverly I think her relationship with Nancy Pelosi which I wonder if that's involved in the Scott Wiener situation um probably is I think she was fairly clever about that, because when I look back at the trajectory of the left, since she won and galvanized candidates around the country in the broader movement, it's been on the up.

1:19:14The question is, I think the point that you guys are both raising, is she up to be a leader of that movement? She obviously wants to be a leader of that movement. But when you look at this answer to Julian, that is not the statement of a leader. When you look at the performance at Munich, that is not the performance of a leader, somebody with the capacity to really take the helm of the movement from Bernie, who clearly wants to appoint AOC the heir. Their Fighting Alligarchy Tour was a massive runaway success. Could she have done that on her own or with another person that she chooses in the future to go on a sort of tour with?

1:19:50Is she exhibiting like really the capacity to be a leader? I think that is the point that you guys are hitting on that really resonates. That's very, very interesting. Yeah. And Emily, to your point, Right. And I've been thinking about this lately. You know, the the disappointments of the left in the squad, which really, you know, kind of AOC is seen as the leader of. And she comes in with all this fanfare and knocks off this Joe Crowley who, you know, came out of nowhere. And there's all this post 2016 excitement. The reality is the left is very weak. Right. No institutional backing public still very much in love with the Democratic establishment leadership, in love with MSNBC in terms of the Democratic base, etc.

1:20:30And so it was, perhaps it was, perhaps it was a savvy calculator. I still don't totally agree, but I can see why the calculation was made. Look, we just don't have the institutional support to do this renegade thing right now. So I need to get what I can from leadership, right? We're in a different moment now. The base of the party's with us. They're not with Nancy Pelosi. They're certainly not with Chuck Schum. They're certainly not with Hakeem Jeffries. It's a different moment now. and the power, the institutional power needs to be built. She could be an important part of building that. As far as I can tell, she is not doing that.

1:21:05And she's very reluctant to do that. And so to see her there saying, I don't really know what my role is. It's like, okay, well then, you know, don't pretend like we should all defer to you as some leader of the progressive movement or take seriously a presidential bid if you don't even know yourself, if that's the role that you want to fill. And I just look at, you know, I look at we've had huge energy and outrage on the left over ICE. We've had, you know, a massive national conversation about the Epstein class and the Epstein files. We're at war with Iran right now. And on all of these things, she will take the correct positions, right?

1:21:49She'll vote the right way. But is she the one leading the charge post the fight oligarchy tour? I have not seen it. I have not seen it. And so, you know, when she says, I'm not sure what role, I think that's actually very revealing that she is not secure in the role that she wants to fill. and, you know, if you want to be that person who is out front, you really do need to go into some spaces that are going to be uncomfortable and be unafraid of making your case and be unafraid of, look, yeah, of course, if you're going to be a very visible leader, you are going to take incoming. That is the nature of the deal and it may not always be fair and that has certainly been the case for her and, you know, the way she's been sexualized.

1:22:39All of that stuff is disgusting. But you have to be prepared that you're going to take incoming. And then you can, you know, play it like Zoran does and provoke the fights you want to provoke and help guide and take the incoming you want to take so that you're driving the narrative. But instead, I feel like she turtles and has just become increasingly insular. And that's, you know, it's not going to serve anyone. So anyway, I find this whole thing very frustrating. and just so lame, just so lame. Like, it's just so dishonest, too. Like, if you've got, you know, at least have the respect to say, listen, we had some issues in the office.

1:23:14I'm not sure. You know, like, okay, at least I can deal with that. But to pretend to not even say his name, to pretend like, oh, this is about some other higher-minded principal, it's like, this is just all total spin and nonsense and everyone can see through it. It definitely felt Kamala-y, where it's like, you know you're going to get these questions. Like, you should have something to say, even if it's something that we disagree with. But she is, you know, The last thing I'll say positively for AOC is I do think she would be the only 2028 candidate to actually unite liberals in the left. Whereas I feel like every other candidate, there'd be a lot of schisms between.

1:23:48But I do think most leftists would probably like come over to her. I don't think that they're as critical as potentially we are on this show of her. I do think there's still a lot of good feelings for AOC. And I do also feel like liberals would trust her. Do you disagree, Emily? Yeah. No, I mean, I just am thinking about like how Glenn has covered AOC, which is, I think, appropriately critical and how we've covered her, which I think has been totally fair. And I wonder how that trickles into like the average kind of leftist base Democratic voter in a primary. So I don't know. It's an interesting point.

1:24:24I think, you know, it depends on who you're running against, because if you're running against Kamala Harris, then it's easy to consolidate people in support of AOC. I mean, I would just say, I think you're right about that, Griffin. I think she is broadly popular, right? I think she's broadly one of the most popular figures in the Democratic Party right now. I don't think there's any doubt about that. Can you imagine her holding up on a debate stage? I mean, I can't, you know. And so, look, Kamala Harris came into the 2020 primary with a head of steam and with that same position. and people thought, okay, she's for Medicare for all, and maybe she can bridge these divides, and she's got this incredible resume, blah, blah, blah.

1:25:04And then she really, she had one great debate performance, the like, you know, what was it, her tagline, like that little girl was me, that, I mean, it really did in the moment, like her polls went up, and people responded to it, blah, blah, blah. And then after that, she just kind of crumbled. And people as they watched her under that scrutiny were like, I can't really see it. And so it's hard for me to imagine. I'm sorry, I hate to be so brutal, but it is hard for me to imagine AOC because she hasn't put in the time and the reps really holding up under that scrutiny. And the few glimpses we've gotten of her under pressure have not been great.

1:25:39So it makes me very skeptical of her chances and even really her desire to put herself into that role. I mean, I think that's a part of what else is going on here. She may herself be kind of reluctant. And you've got a staff around. you say, oh, you've got this favorability, you've got this name recognition, and you're Bernie's there, and blah, blah, blah, and so she's being pulled in this direction, but I'm not sure that she's entirely comfortable with it at this point, maybe part of what we're getting as well. Okay, so I know that I'll end the AOC discussion. I know Crystal's going to jump in a sec.

1:26:10Let's hit some AMA questions. Let's see if we can get one out of Crystal before she's got to run. Let's see. From Trevor Scott, what is everyone's thoughts on the coalition between Ro Khanna and MTG, is this a dangerous move or smart politics in order to leverage their followers to put pressure against the war or both? I think it's a little bit dangerous, actually. I agree. I think Ro working with Thomas Massey on war powers resolutions, on, you know, Epstein files, Ro working with MTG when she was in Congress on these things, that is completely, that makes a lot of sense. And I have no problem with him, you know, doing a Sienna interview, exploring where they have overlap, exploring where they have differences, etc.

1:26:55But I do think there is a danger in affiliating yourself too much with her because some of her views have been really awful. And, you know, and some of her contribution politics has been truly terrible. And I'm not sure that we've really seen, okay, what is the transformation that occurred here? Who are you today. What do you actually believe at this point? So that's why I think it's there is a bit of a risk here of him being a bit over eager to sort of affiliate with someone, especially if you are thinking in terms of a Democratic primary base, much of whom are still going to have a lot of antipathy towards Marjorie Taylor Greene.

1:27:33Is Griffin here? I think he is dropped off for a second. What are your thoughts, Emily? You probably disagree with me on this one. No, I mean, I see what you're saying. I think I have seen MTG like apologize for the way she did politics years ago. But I think part of the reason it's good is that I think she is actually trying to figure out what she believes right now. I feel like she felt like she's had the rug pulled out from under her by MAGA, by Trump, by the Republican Party that she felt like she was at the helm of like briefly and that leaves her questioning a lot of like and and bro can probably help uh nudge her in in good directions or better directions so i i i just my skepticism of it is like how much does it really matter like is it really gonna do much like i don't think it's i don't think it's revolutionary or anything of that sort there's a there's a line he can walk that's like projecting okay this is what a broad majority could look like and as long as she's coming to him on his issue positions, then he's in the position of strength.

1:28:39I think the danger is if there's any, you know, sort of like when Gavin Newsom would host like Ben Shapiro or Charlie Kirk or whatever, and he's going to their positions. That reads as weakness. That reads as capitulation. If you're drawing like a magnet people to your positions, then you're in a position of strength. Yeah, but also it's like MTG got bullied and quit. Like, I just don't see what, Like, does she even have a political future? Like, is she going to quit again when someone's mean to her again? Like, I'm sorry, but it was kind of pathetic how she like took a stand and then quit. She could be voting on these war powers resolutions.

1:29:14She could be voting on all these things. So it's like, OK, now we're aligning with what is she on like a gym? Like, what is it? I don't I don't know what her future is. And I do feel like it's almost it's kind of like it's weird because it is kind of the premise of our show. right? That there are these like shared interests between the left and right, like populists or whatever. But it is also kind of like a nerdy online take, isn't it? Like, you know, like, like maybe like liberals won't like that he's cozy with all these people if he's running a damn primary. Like maybe that would work against him.

1:29:47All in all, though, I respect it because at the end of the day, for the last six weeks, we've been trying to stop the Israeli nuclear Holocaust, right? So like, it doesn't matter who you align with right now. Like, we're glad that everyone like we're glad that Megyn Kelly is saying what she's saying on the war. We're glad that Tucker saying what he's saying on the war, you know, so I get in that moment. And I respect it. But yeah, I'm not sure about the future there. And so do you got to run? It's tough. I do. I need to jump. I've got a meeting I have to get to but appreciate you guys. Yeah. Bye.

1:30:19Okay, Emily from Space Bartender. Emily, what's your sense of the net impact of Trump's fight with the Pope slash repeated claims of divinity? Is it losing him support in a significant way? Is there some meaningful number that like it because he's smashing norms? There's a few more questions here, but, oh yeah. And is Hegseth's aggressive religiosity a plus or a minus for administration? Like for the, I guess the politics, I guess if those are the same questions, like the politics of the Hegseth thing, I'll get to that in a second, with Trump. I don't know. It's always hard to tell what's a media scandal for Trump.

1:30:59Like we hear over and over again for the last 10 years, he's losing it. This time he's really losing it. This time he's like, he's finally gone crazy. 25th Amendment. It's like, it happens. It comes in waves. And well, like my perspective on it was like, this is exactly what I expect for Donald Trump. It is exactly what I expect from Donald Trump and has been what I've expected from Donald Trump since 2015 in politics. He photoshopped himself into the Pope's outfit last year at a very sensitive time for the Catholic Church. He says he hates his enemies. He says, I used to get my little wine and my little cracker.

1:31:43So I can't tell, but I have heard just anecdotally, people being somewhat horrified by it. And Catholic voters are real. And there are some independent leaning Catholic voters, like the types of people that voted Obama and then Trump, Rust Belt types. So I could see it being kind of a final straw building on top of like a lot of just total, you know, disillusionment and fatigue, exhaustion with Trump and Trumpism. Hegseth, the politics of Hegseth constantly invoking religion at his war briefings, I think are incontrovertibly bad. You know, Christians want their leaders to be like to believe everything is in being done with having like prayed for the correct sense of direction and to make decisions that are in accordance with the will of God.

1:32:42So that's I don't have a problem with that. But I do think, first of all, most Americans don't think that way. And it sounds creepy and weird when you're doing it in war briefings. So the politics of it, I think, are a disaster. It's it's weird. It comes across as very weird. mm-hmm uh well you said weird so let's end on a weird one to send everyone off to the weekend uh from michael corleone please include please include a detailed breakdown of raccoon gate on the friday show thank you for your attention to this matter the penis yes the raccoon so let's let's look at it real quick to send everyone off uh from the new york post rfk jr once chopped off a dead raccoon's penis to study later on a family road trip.

1:33:31The bizarre account by the nation's top civilian health official was unearthed in a new book, RFK Jr., The Fall and Rise. Quote, I was standing in front of my parked car on I-684, cutting the penis out of a road-killed raccoon, thinking about how weird some of my family members have turned out to be. Reads a surreal passage in which the Health and Human Services head, 72 was reportedly lamenting his rocky relationships with his family. My kids waited patiently in the car, he noted. Collecting him, he collected the raccoon's genitals so he could study them later. I thought this was from the new podcast.

1:34:13Emily, he's also started a new podcast. Yeah, yeah. Have you seen the new podcast? Well, have you seen the set? Because it's given me some ideas about our own set. But his set has many ducks. And I'm wondering why we don't have a single duck on the Breaking Point set. Hmm. Yeah, we should get into... Well, there's a lot of opportunities for taxidermy this year. You know, I might be building some home studios for some remote sessions. So, yeah, maybe we could... Why don't you just start picking up whatever you find off the street? I mean, is there any roadkill you see in D.C.? You're on a bike, right?

1:34:46That's right. chopping off dead animal dicks and bringing them into the studio. The best part of that passage is that he wrote, he was doing this while thinking about how weird the rest of his family was. And that is an incredible psychological insight. He's like, man, I wish they could just be normal like me. So it also feels like Maha with his pivot to doing this podcast or whatever, like is he just, kind of given up on all the Maha stuff? Like, do you have any sense that we don't really cover it a ton on the show? Because it's hard to cover without like having like a very informed, almost like doctor level perspective on the proceedings.

1:35:30But it seems like he's just going back to podcasting, which was like his first true love. No, funny. Well, I think actually what we're going to see is going forward, bureaucrats like heads of these agencies are the ones that are more like media friendly. They've done a lot of interviews in their career, whatever. They're all going to have podcasts. So I think it's kind of just the new normal. It's basically the equivalent of having somebody who sends press releases. You're going to have somebody who's sending out your podcasts. And you do the podcast to convey the same thing as that was in the press release.

1:36:02So that's my sense of... I don't think it has any substantive bearing. But lots of ducks. And it's always hard to... I mean, we should do more Maha coverage. We should find, like, who is our Professor Pape for Maha? That's what we need. Yeah, that's a good question. That's a really good question. Sagar's got some guys. Yeah, Sagar definitely got some guys. You know, there are, but I usually skip them because it's like... I know, but I know you do that on purpose, but that's what I'm trying to... No, that was... The Raccoon Gate one, that was for me this week, okay? That was for me. Spiritually, that was for you.

1:36:38It was for me. It's nice to know all of the wildlife animals that RfK engages with over his life. So looking forward to the next raccoon, otter, seal, whatever he finds next. Looking forward to that story. And thank you all for watching. That was today's Friday show. Check out Emily on After Party. How's After Party going? Everyone should subscribe. We had Dave Smith on this week. So need more subscribers. Come on, help us out. Yeah, Dave was and Dave, Dave wanted to fight. Dave came in. He got me. He sucked me into a debate, which I hate doing. But about the U.S. being we were quibbling over the definition of terrorism.

1:37:23He says U.S. biggest order of terrorism around the world. I said violence and terrorism are not the same thing. It was heated. It was fun. but also we do have an actual debate that I'm moderating coming up on the After Party channel between Ryan and Scott Jennings. Oh my God. So, yeah. That's a full court event. Thursday night. Well, everyone go subscribe to After Party to get ready for that one. I'm sure we'll send out a link to that so everyone can get a little Ryan Grimm versus Scott Jennings. Oh my God, what a matchup. Why did Scott agree to that? On immigration. That's why Scott agreed to it.

1:37:59Okay. It's in his Q zone. and then what's Ryan going to say just like tear down the wall well you know it's kind of interesting because Ryan is basically a full open borders guy so I feel like it's actually the right it's actually the right contrast as opposed to like some centrist dem loser who's like well it'll be good incredible well everybody look forward to that and if there's any other breaking news around this ceasefire we'll see you with some breaking news and if not we'll see you Monday take care bye bye And now, The Laundry Hero, brought to you by Grand Appliance. Oh, really? Okay, I'm on it.

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