In short
Episode topic: The Iran–U.S. conflict’s impact on global energy—especially the Strait of Hormuz—driving oil/gas price spikes, “energy rationing,” jet fuel shortages, and alleged U.S. casualty and imagery coverups; plus political and information effects (polling, censorship, misinformation).
Guest backgrounds
Trita Parsi, founder of the Quincy Institute (Middle East policy). Also discussed: OpenAI CEO Sam Altman (mentioned via promo, not as the episode’s main guest).
Key claims
Iran is tightening effective control of Hormuz without fully closing it, using leverage and proxy dynamics; traffic is down to a “trickle,” sustaining shortages. Allies (France, Japan, Oman) are reportedly making arrangements with Iran, undermining U.S. “free flow of goods” role. The Pentagon/CENTCOM is allegedly undercounting U.S. wounded/killed using outdated figures; Planet Labs is allegedly withholding satellite imagery at U.S. government request. Trump’s administration is also alleged to downplay casualties and damage.
Notable examples
AAA U.S. gas average $4.11; diesel $5.61 near 2022 highs. Italy restricting jet fuel refueling; Europe airport limits. Intercept alleges ~750 U.S. troops wounded/killed since Oct 2023 and outdated CENTCOM numbers. Planet Labs blackout on war images.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOTransition to News and Updates
1:35 to 2:48
Sagar and Crystal discuss the impact of independent media in elections.
“In 2023, Bachelor star Clayton Eckerd was accused of fathering twins, but the pregnancy appeared to be a hoax.”
Oil Prices and Global Implications
3:30 to 8:00
Analysis of oil prices, their fluctuations, and potential future scenarios.
“astronomically higher than when everything began.”
Iran's Control Over Hormuz
8:00 to 12:40
Discussion on Iran's influence in the Straits of Hormuz and geopolitical tensions.
“Let's continue on just down to make sure people know too.”
Global Economic Ripple Effects
12:40 to 14:00
Exploration of the consequences of changing energy dynamics on global trade.
“And our closest allies are making other provisions and making other plans.”
The Ripple Effects of Energy Production Decline
14:00 to 14:40
Explore how energy production drops can impact global economies.
“But you can see then that if Red Sea production drops with the Houthis that are joining the war, South Korea, Japan, all of these places are really screwed.”
The Shift in Global Commerce Dynamics
14:40 to 15:20
Discuss the evolution of global commerce and the U.S. role in it.
“I mean, oh my God, just off the top of my head, like the Taiwan Strait, the Straits of Malacca, all of the global shipping, the 50 % of global GDP all in Asia.”
Predictions on Future Economic Conditions
15:20 to 16:40
Understand predictions on the normalization of global trade amid conflict.
“And that's, look, it might be good in the long run for some people, but that's not gonna be good for us.”
Impacts of Rising Gas Prices
16:40 to 17:45
Analyze the effects of rising gas prices on consumers in the U.S.
“I'm Lori Siegel, and on Mostly Human, I go beyond the headlines with the people building our future.”
Global Energy Rationing and Its Consequences
21:00 to 22:42
Examine the global energy rationing due to the Strait of Hormuz crisis.
“So they are already seeing a breakdown in the social order because of the shortages here.”
Regional Responses to Fuel Shortages
22:42 to 24:28
Discuss how different countries are responding to fuel shortages.
“Well, that is a signal of how dire things are and how worried they are about their own society.”
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Implications of Rising Costs on Air Travel
24:28 to 26:24
Analyze how rising jet fuel prices affect air travel and shipping.
“this MacBook, it flew here from Vietnam in two days.”
Impact of Political Landscape on Public Sentiment
26:24 to 28:00
Explore how political dynamics are shaping voter sentiment and behavior.
“The problem is, I don't know how he gets out of this thing without, you know, just an utterly humiliating defeat.”
The Political Landscape of Podcasts
28:00 to 29:14
Explore how the podcasting world reflects shifting political sentiments.
“They're like, oh, the podcast, they don't matter anymore.”
Economic Impact of War on Industry
29:14 to 30:29
Discuss the potential economic fallout from the ongoing conflict.
“Iran is – they're threatening one of the largest data centers in the world right now.”
Censorship and Information Control
30:29 to 32:42
Analyze the role of censorship in the context of the Iran conflict.
“And we've talked a little bit about this before, but this is an expanded level of censorship here being done willfully by Planet Labs at the request of the United States government.”
Casualty Cover-Up and Military Transparency
32:42 to 38:24
Examine the allegations of a cover-up regarding military casualties in Iran.
“Like they have contracts with all these news organizations.”
The Reality of War Reporting
38:24 to 40:58
Discuss the discrepancies in war reporting and the challenges faced by journalists.
“Do you remember the Saudi embassy, the U.S.”
Discussion on the Iranian Regime's Violence
43:06 to 44:36
An exploration of the Iranian regime's crackdown on protests and the implications of U.S. support for protesters.
“Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Maricopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges.”
Analysis of Trump's Allegations
44:36 to 48:00
A critical examination of President Trump's claims about arming Iranian protesters and its implications.
“where the president telling Trey Yinks of Fox News that actually the United States did send arms to some Kurdish militant groups and that somehow that didn't end up failing as some sort of mission.”
Potential Iranian Retaliation Strategies
48:00 to 53:36
Discussing the possible responses from Iran if the U.S. escalates military actions.
“Very important, yeah, that we make that distinction.”
The Role of the Houthis in the Conflict
53:36 to 54:56
Exploring the Houthis' position in the ongoing conflict and their potential actions.
“They've been using it as a counter threat to prevent the United States from going after Iran's oil infrastructure and other civilian infrastructure.”
Uncovering a Disturbing Pattern
56:03 to 56:34
Explore the unsettling revelations around a pregnancy hoax and its implications.
“You doctored this particular test twice, Ms.”
Exploring Formula One Culture
56:44 to 57:10
Delve into underexplored aspects of F1, including history and culture.
“Listen to No Grip on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.”
Transcript
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2:48Turning now to oil and what the price remains for all of us in terms of gasoline. Let's put C1 up here on the screen. Oil prices actually slid a bit as Trump warns Iran to open the Straits of Hormuz. A lot of this is because of that that Barack Ravid report about an alleged peace deal that may or may not happen. But it does, of course, still buy this crap. I don't know. I mean, it's still I mean, look, it's slid a bit by two percent. It's still one hundred and eight dollars a barrel. All right. And you could see very clearly like the crude oil price is about one hundred and ten dollars a barrel.
3:25as we are recording. The Brent oil price is about$108. I mean, both of these are still astronomically higher than when everything began. It's really only the surprise that it's only$108 or$110 per barrel. Put C2 up there on the screen also to show that Trump's market manipulation is alive and well. NASDAQ futures rise on ceasefire efforts. They're hoping and they're coping, even though Iran has already rejected it. But the average price of gas remains on track for nightmare scenarios. Let's go to the next one. This is from AAA and their map of the national gas prices. The current AAA national average of gas in the United States is$4.11 a gallon.
4:09Now, already, that's really bad. But if you'll notice when you're watching, all of the states that are in red, where the price remains very high. So in California, what is that? 14 % of our population, $5.92 a gallon. Diesel is going in San Francisco for$8 a gallon, well over$5 in a couple of different states, Washington, Nevada, approaching five in Arizona, in Alaska, in Hawaii,$5.50 a gallon. Florida is already$4.20 a gallon. Illinois,$4.29 a gallon. Pennsylvania is$4.15. Virginia, where we are,$4.06. So it's below$4 a gallon in some of the states, which are much closer to the refineries. Texas remains at$3.82.
5:00But the fact remains, we are well on track for a sustained gas shock that is going to at least keep us above$3 a gallon well into the foreseeable future. And at the very least in the next few months, we're going to be hovering in this price. And right now, the average price of diesel in the United States is$5.61 a gallon. The all-time high from this was June of 2022 is$5.81 a gallon for diesel. So we are only 20 cents off the all-time high, and many gas and diesel analysts are projecting that the US will cross the coveted $6 diesel threshold, which arguably that's just as bad as gas because it shows up in food inflation, in trucked goods.
5:52It will wipe the margin for any of the independent truckers. We're already looking at those stories. At$5 diesel, they were really getting screwed at$6,$7. Can you imagine paying$8 a gallon for diesel? That's insane. In San Francisco, that could be our future. It really could. Where that would be, I don't know, maybe$7,$6.50 nationally. That would be like$10 in San Francisco or in some of the other major metropolitan areas in California. So it's a genuine nightmare. And this is not even shortages. Right now, it's just price. We could end up in a shortage scenario, which we're going to talk about in a little bit.
6:25Absolutely. And CNBC has this report this morning about how the U.S.-Iran war tax is beginning to hit American businesses and consumers. They talk about the co-founder of the college hunks hauling junk and moving business. And he started, listen, mortgage rates are high, so people are moving, period. And then I also have to deal with the fact that diesel is so costly. So, I mean, these businesses are already getting screwed. And, of course, they're going to pass what cost of that they can on to consumers. You already see that. They detail also in the story United Airlines and JetBlue both raised prices on baggage this week to try to cope with the increased jet fuel cost.
7:03Amazon announced a 3.5 % fuel surcharge on their sellers. Now, again, their sellers will try to pass that on to consumers as much as they possibly can. Amazon described the surcharge as meaningfully lower than levies applied by other major carriers in a statement to CNBC. So this is where we are already. We're now five weeks into this war. Trump says, you know, various things at various times, but he seems to have this idea. oh, we'll wrap it up in two weeks. I don't know how. But even if you take his word for that, I think you've got damage to the energy generation facilities in the region. And you very likely have a permanent new status quo in terms of the Strait of Hormuz, which is going to put some sort of permanent premium on energy and other goods that are flowing through that region.
7:56So that's already where we are. If we continue in this direction, you can only imagine how catastrophic it's going going to be for us and for the world. Yeah, exactly. Let's continue on just down to make sure people know too. There are crazy things happening in the Straits of Hormuz, just solidifying Iranian control. Let's put the next one up here. So Iran announced that the brotherly nation of Iraq would be allowed to use the Straits of Hormuz. We don't know exactly what sort of deal worked out. They may be paying the toll. Don't forget, there are all of these Iranian proxy militias in Iraq, which have been allegedly firing at U.S.
8:35forces and U.S. air assets that are moving across Iraq as they go to bomb Iran. So maybe they worked out some deal where those Iranian proxies will have more movement. Who knows? At the very least, it's very obvious these two governments are trying and moving closer together because Iraq had some, what is it, three million barrels a day of infrastructure, which was totally shut down. So what they've said is that Iraqi ships will now be allowed to use the Straits of Hormuz and will be able to transit through the strait. We've also had these reports, again, solidifying Iranian control over the state.
9:10Let's put the next one up here. The Japanese, French, and Omani vessels actually did cross through the Straits of Hormuz. Now, the really interesting part here is about those French vessels. This is just one, keep in mind. It's still, of course, a major U.S. ally, but France actually voted in the UN Security Council against this use of force position that was put forth by the UAE and with the US to try and compel some international mission to use of force to open the Straits of Hormuz. France voted against that and immediately a French vessel was allowed to cross through. Oman also, let's remember, is a critical Iranian ally, but also was the mediator of a lot of those talks.
9:52The Omani foreign minister, remember, was here in Washington the day before the war being like, we can avoid this, we can avoid this. He's been consistently trying to engage with the vice president's team with Steve Woodcoff, Jared Kushner. He also, though, did call out Jared Kushner and Steve Woodcoff for their negotiations. So he's not in anybody's good graces right now here in Washington. But they remain very good relations with Iran, even though there were some strikes on some Omani oil assets. So they have worked out some sort of a deal where Some ships are allowed to hug the Omani coastline.
10:23The IRGC will look the other way. Then there's some Chinese vessels which are getting through the strait. But the fact is is that traffic is still near all-time record lows. Any ship that's moving through, it's a ship with either de facto control, permission by the Iranians, or it's a smuggling ship, which apparently this researcher from a research firm here in the U.S. went there and he said some ships are going through, broadcasting that they're a Chinese vessel surreptitiously to try to move through, but it's still just a complete trickle to where things used to be beforehand. So that's why the shortage will remain.
10:59And there's already been demand destruction and problems which are rippling through the global economy right now. Yeah, that's right. And, you know, it's a double-edged sword for the Iranians in terms of their strategy. If they shut the strait entirely, obviously, oil is a global commodity. That would increase oil prices more dramatically, but it would also hurt them. So what they've chosen to do is this somewhat middle road where they don't close it entirely. They're able to pick and choose and use it as a point of leverage. They're making more money, something that Trita Parsi actually reported on previously.
11:32They're actually making more money. They're de facto enjoying sanctions relief right now. Some oil is getting into the market, which helps ease somewhat the price spike we would otherwise be experiencing, but is obviously significant. And then the other thing that's really significant here is just the geopolitical implications of the fact that some of our closest allies, we're talking France and Japan, looks like they're basically going to Iran and like, look, we'll work with you here. What's your asking price? What do we need to do? And that in and of itself is an incredible blow. So, I mean, basically, look, I saw one analysis, Sagar, and I think you said something similar last week as well.
12:09I mean, one of the major purposes of the U.S. empire and one of the major things that the rest of the world sort of gets out of the U.S. empire is our ability to guarantee the free flow of goods and trade around the world. The only purpose of a blue water name is to ensure commerce on the high seas. So if that is if that's over, then I mean, that is basically the U.S. empire as we knew it before is de facto over because that was, you know, we had a deal with the world in effect. And this was part of the deal. Well, this part of the deal increasingly looks like it's dead and gone. And our closest allies are making other provisions and making other plans.
12:47That is as stunning a development as you could possibly. It's really bad. I mean, Professor Pape laid it out very well with Ryan and Emily, how Iran has turned itself into a great into a world power. And what he means by that is not that it's a superpower, but that it has control over 20 % of the world's energy. And so as a result, has the ability to compel what a small nation, even with some asymmetry, punches much more above its weight. And look, it's just obviously true. South Korea, Japan, the Philippines. I mean, the real disaster. Again, nobody in Washington cares at all. All they do is read like the Financial Times or whatever.
13:21I read the Korean Herald and Japan Times and Singapore Strait Times and Chosun Daily and Yonhap and I read Global Times and all those. I read them every single day. And every day I read articles in the Asian press about, oh, the Philippines trying to cut some deal here with Iran. You know, the Philippine president was like, we got nothing to do with this. Don't worry about it. Just please. Bad, bad for us. Top trend. It's a major trading partner. Same with South Korea. every day the South Korean president says something like, I can't sleep. This is a disaster. You know, like just today he gave a press conference where he's like, don't worry, everybody.
13:59We're going to be returning to the Red Sea. But you can see then that if Red Sea production drops with the Houthis that are joining the war, South Korea, Japan, all of these places are really screwed. So yes, the purpose of the U.S. empire was Europe gets free health care. Asia gets its oil. We defend a decent portion of it. And as a result, the way that we get anything out of it, you and I, is that we have the largest consumer market in the world and we get a lot of cheap shit. It worked out for some period. Stopped working for anyone who watches the show is familiar with that narrative. But now we're both a hyper-consumerist society which makes nothing and we no longer have this ability to compel and to basically write the rules of commerce everywhere.
14:43This will have ripple effects. I mean, oh my God, just off the top of my head, like the Taiwan Strait, the Straits of Malacca, all of the global shipping, the 50 % of global GDP all in Asia. You've got all of these European countries now, which will rewrite the entire way that the Russia-Ukraine conflict is happening. I predict we are a year away from total normalization if this war continues. They will have no choice. You need jet fuel. You need something. Diesel, middle distillates, which Rory gave us the term. It has to come from somewhere. So it will rewrite an entire portion of the way that the world runs.
15:20And that's, look, it might be good in the long run for some people, but that's not gonna be good for us. It can be high prices, lack of industrial base, and a very consumerist society. It can be incredibly - We haven't planned for that future. We haven't prepared for that future. It's not just a plan. That's shocking. It really is. That blows up the conceit as we know it from 1945 onwards. There's – I'm trying to think. How many people alive today would even have a memory of what it was like before America was a genuine world empire? Like not many. Last piece here puts the A8 up on the screen.
15:59It's actually challenged some of my ideas of the way that this would all go down. So we've been saying on the show like, oh, well, the U.S. is a net energy exporter. So we're probably more protected than other places around the world from price spikes. Al Jazeera put together this map, which shows worldwide increases in gasoline prices since the Iran war began. And we're not the highest, but we're in the highest band. So, you know, our consumers are getting hit hard. Now, of course, we're a wealthy country. We can sustain it more. Also, this is gas prices. Other countries, you know, more reliant for energy needs on things like LNG.
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20:19Some nations are now taking extraordinary measures to deal with this. They talk about jet fuel shortages. So Europe's airports have begun imposing restrictions on refueling due to a shortage of jet fuel. They give the specific example of Italy, where in four different airports, they placed some restrictions on jet fuel through Thursday due to limited fuel availability. You've got flight cancellations already. You have in Bangladesh, they talk about how fuel shortages and panic have already resulted in a spike in robberies as people raid gas stations and fuel trucks in order to stockpile supply.
21:00So they are already seeing a breakdown in the social order because of the shortages here. You've got impacts in Australia and New Zealand they talk about because they get most of their fuel from Asia, especially China, Singapore and South Korea. with China restricting exports. The Australian government has tried to quell public panic and to prevent panic buying. So you've had issues there as well. South Korea says, you've been talking a lot about South Korea, they're telling people to save every drop of fuel. Here's the latest comment. The current crisis is not a passing shower that quickly subsides, but rather a massive storm whose duration is uncertain, making it all the more severe.
21:40Here in Southeast Asia, you're having mandatory work from home. Philippine government has called on workers to carpool. Some government offices have switched to a four-day work week to conserve driving fuel. And similarly in Thailand, Vietnam, and Indonesia, they are encouraging remote work for civil servants. Vietnam's trade ministry called on businesses to, quote, encourage work from home when possible to reduce the need for travel and transportation. So here we are. Things are also, like in Asia, you know, we're going to talk about censorship. They're already there. One of the front page stories in Korea today, which I was reading before coming into work, is how a YouTuber over there was spreading, quote, fake news about oil.
22:18The government is charging him. So, like, they're in such a panic. It's like, remember that movie that everyone watching COVID? What was it? Contagion? I think that's what it was, where the guy spread fake news or whatever to try and make some supplement money. Well, in Korea, people are spreading panic, so-called fake news, over oil and energy rationing that the government is literally cracking down. Remember, they don't have free speech, right? They're just going to come in and they're going to arrest you. Well, that is a signal of how dire things are and how worried they are about their own society.
22:47Italy, I mean BP Italia just announces out of the blue, hey, we don't have jet fuel. We have to cancel a couple of these. The forward-facing contracts that they're looking at are$195 per barrel. The only way that people will be able to fly for a relatively affordable price across the world is if you don't mind the general risk of being hit by a missile while you're in a war zone, like in Doha or in Dubai. Maybe worth it for some, not worth it, I think, for most. I'm not taking the fair deal. I've done budget travel, but that's a little bit too far. And already I saw a report like Qatar Airways was offering refunds up until July on some flights and Dubai, Emirates, Abu Dhabi, like all of these major ports.
23:33Remember, it's not just air travel. It's also air like cargo. Air cargo moves all across the world. And this is creating like this black hole in the center and then also spreading out from all of that of jet fuel. So I actually really think jet fuel is the most under-discussed element of the crisis because we're already seeing it in Italy. We saw the warnings in the UK where they're like, hey, in the future, you know, I mean, I don't know if you've ever landed at London Heathrow. But if you ever do, like the price is extremely high because they have like a$200 landing tax. It's like that could be much higher, right, for a jet fuel surcharge.
24:11We've seen it with Amazon. You just talked about 3.5%. You could see that in the future. any good that has to be moved by air cargo is going to become dramatically more expensive, like radical in terms of, and remember that stuff like stupid stuff like MacBooks. When I ordered this MacBook, it flew here from Vietnam in two days. Well, maybe in the future, Apple is like, no more new shipping or free shipping. You're like, you're going to have to pay$200,$300. That type of stuff is going to manifest, I think, very quickly, and then it will ripple through the economy. Like that is where you get into recession territory.
24:46Yeah. And there have been some reports in the U.S. of gas stations like in Florida having starting to have shortages. So those implications are starting to come to our shores as well. And I showed the map previously of how much gas prices obviously have gone up in the U.S. compared to the rest of the world. And it's already having huge political impact. We can let's put D3 up on the screen. This is one of soccer and I's longtime favorite metrics. People who hate both parties, who are they voting for? And, you know, in previous elections, in the last election, the double haters voted for Trump.
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25:21And that is really like, and by a significant margin. And that really is kind of like the swing group of the present day. Okay. People who hate both parties, which one can they tolerate more than the other? Now voters in that group, which hold a negative view of both parties, favor Democrats by 31 points. 31 points. Now, let me give a caveat here, which is that you have a lot of Democratic voters who are like, vote blue no matter who, they will always vote for a Democrat, they self-identify as Democrats, et cetera, who now have an unfavorable view of the Democratic Party. They would be classified as double haters, even though they always are Democratic partisans.
26:04So I think that is important to keep in mind when you look at this polling. But, you know, the political landscape is somewhat of a constraint or certainly a factor in the way this war will unfold as well. Part of what's going on internally in the White House, apparently Susie Wiles is not happy. There's a sense of like, OK, we got to wrap this thing up. Trump is bored with it and he understands it's a distraction from the midterms. The problem is, I don't know how he gets out of this thing without, you know, just an utterly humiliating defeat. I mean, that would be if he walks away now, That's what we'll be looking at.
26:35And so he's backed himself into a corner where even if the poll numbers continue to decline as precipitously as they have been, it's not clear that there's anything he can really do about that situation. Yeah. Look, he doesn't have much of a way out. D4, let's put that up there on the screen. This is another significant one. But remember, a lot of people who vote for Trump, one of the big things that always has been his strength has been, hey, the people who vote and or love him, they love him forever. However, what they're seeing is that the Trump voter regret is now clearly registering. So in April 2025, 74 % of Trump voters scorned any of those options and said they were very confident in their vote.
27:16Today, that number is only 62%. The 38 % of Trump voters who chose a less resolute option was double the 19 % of Kamala voters who did the same. And then of the 38%, 21 % said they were still confident but still had some concerns. So the amount of regret for a vote, I mean, what? That's almost 40 % of the people who voted for you are saying that they— I'm not really crazy about what's going on. That's a lot. I mean, last time I checked, and actually checks, it maintains in the data. If MAGA is 100 % in, but independents, centrists, or moderate Republicans are out, that's literally the Trump coalition.
27:52That's the entire thing. Now, young voters have swung dramatically away from a lot of the Republicans, especially for Trump. I also love the whole podcast thing. They're like, oh, the podcast, they don't matter anymore. They're not MAGA. I'm like, well, they seem to matter a lot in the election. So which one is it? So if Theo Vaughn and Joe Rogan and Tim Dillon, like the entire brosphere is like not only anti-Trump, but like very anti-Trump. Now, at this point, at least some of them. Well, what does that mean, I think, for the vibe or any of that? It's like the Silicon Valley people who are still pro-Trump.
28:26They're like, you know, Japanese guys who refuse to surrender at this point. They're like the only ones still planting the flag. I can't think. I mean, they're even OG MAGA people who have been in the movement since 2015 who are like, all right, you know, I'm not I'm done with this per se, but pointing out a lot of the problems. So when you think about those things, like it's a big problem. There's an irony for those Silicon Valley guys who thought they were going to get their, you know, heart's desire in terms of unleashed AI under Trump, which was part. That wasn't the only thing, but that was a big part of what was going on there, especially after Trump wins and you have them all, Mark Zuckerberg and Sam Allen and all these people like come in and kiss the ring, etc.
29:05And the Iran war could destroy their industry. I mean, Trump did all the deregulation and the pumping it up and all of that. So he did all of that stuff. But because of the reckless disregard for literally anything and a decision to sort of throw us into World War III here with no plan for it to last beyond literally two days, Iran is – they're threatening one of the largest data centers in the world right now. I mean, they're threatening these tech companies directly. The energy prices are going to take a huge toll on them. We've already talked about this, you know, somewhat. But there is an irony there to the fact that they got behind Trump and he may be the one that actually destroys that industry.
29:44And, you know, that may be another silver lining ultimately of this war. I don't I mean, here's the thing. We could say it in the big picture. You know, as I do in the interim, what's going to happen? Millions lose their jobs, bankruptcy, high interest rates, stagflation. People I was just looking at the CPI. People are expecting now four or five percent energy inflation just on the year. From the inputs into our, I mean, that's a disaster. You know, like, that erases the margin for the average, what's the average restaurant run on a margin? Like 6%, right? So think about that. There's a lot of small businesses that run on that.
30:18If you have enough of that inflation, it'll either get passed on, really huge demand destruction, and a lot of people will lose their jobs. You know, suicide goes up. It's not going to be good. Let's go ahead and turn to some of the ways that they're working to keep accurate information from you all and from the world and from us and everybody else. And this is really quite extraordinary. So let's put this up on the screen. This is from Planet Labs. And we've talked a little bit about this before, but this is an expanded level of censorship here being done willfully by Planet Labs at the request of the United States government.
30:55So this is from Al Jazeera. They say U.S. satellite firm Planet Labs announces blackout on war on Iran images. The company says the move is being made amid the U.S.-Israel war on Iran, and it comes after a direct request from the U.S. government. So previously, there had been a hold on satellite data from the region, with the idea being that maybe two weeks later, we'll post the information. So you're not getting real-time looks from this private satellite company of what the damage is in the region and damage specifically to, like, U.S. bases throughout the region. We still have very little information.
31:31We know that many of our service members have been pulled off of some 13 bases in the region and are being put up in civilian hotels, which, by the way, in and of itself could constitute a war crime because you're then putting civilians—you're using civilians as human shields. In any case, that's our only indication of how much damage there is. You'll get a few photos out, a little bit of glimpse here, a little bit of glimpse there. But this private satellite company has just completely bent to the desires of the Trump administration here to hide how much damage there is. I would pair this with there is a report from The Intercept about the way that they are delaying and underplaying reports of casualties and even service members deaths to try to, you know, to try to create a misimpression of how the war is going and downplay the damage.
32:17Now, I'm not going to say these things are really new in war. I think there's typically an effort to downplay the level of death, the level of injuries, the level of damage, etc. You know, Trump is very big and Heggs had the very big on this whole victory narrative and they're obliterated, etc., etc. But for a private company to just go ahead and sort of collapse like this and agree to the whims of the U.S. federal government's brief at that. Well, first of all, yes, screw them. It's also, don't forget this. You know, they have contracts, right? Like they have contracts with all these news organizations.
32:45I have covered a war since 2014, and I have used open source satellite imagery for every single conflict we have ever been in, ever been in. This is from Afghanistan to these OSINT satellite images. And by the way, we were able to get them a couple of days after the incident. This now is cutting off everything from like what? March – it was like March 9th, dating back to March 9th that they are withholding all imagery. And that was some of the initial imagery that we had of U.S. bases. The American public has an absolute right to know, especially with this government and the regime that we've seen put in place over the extreme restrictions in the Gulf.
33:29I talked earlier about how people who are entering Oman are being told to sign these documents where they're not allowed to record. They're able to report, but they have to do some writing. in the UAE. You have citizens who can get arrested, or you have foreigners who can get arrested for publishing videos of missile strikes. I know that this is in place for much of the Gulf. There's really only one or two journalists who have even been gone to the Straits of Hormuz, not saying that they don't have the ability to do so, but more so that the governments are not letting them. You've only had two journalists, Western journalists, who were able to go to Iran.
34:08One of them, remember, the guy who we interviewed? Oh, that guy got bombed by Israel. Let's not forget that. So the censorship regime now is dramatic in place. And actually, you have Chinese and Russian satellite because, yeah, turns out, oh, nobody owns like geostationary orbit, okay? So you've got a bunch of Chinese and Russian satellite companies. They're publishing everything. Or they're not publishing open source. They're sending it straight over to the Islamic Republic. And you can see how these Chinese and Russian satellites, look, what, you think they don't want revenge, especially the Russians?
34:43After all of these Ukrainian attacks that we have done on them, that we backstop, that we've given them all of this intelligence, they are salivating at this ability to try and destroy as much U.S. military aircraft as possible to create this huge energy crisis in Europe. I mean, I follow a bunch of accounts that are directly from the Kremlin. They're doing backflips over them. They're like, oh, this is the end of the European Union. Screw you. Oh, it's not so fun whenever it happens to you. Same in China. I mean, they're just sitting there, you know, seeing the meme, do nothing win from Xi Jinping, literally doing nothing, just sharing satellite imagery.
35:20And by the way, they're doing a export ban on all of their oil. They seem to be doing okay. But the general tack of the CCP so far has been, let's sit here. We'll take some temporary hit on the oil market, but we are bleeding the West dry and we are destroying the ability of their Navy. All we have to do is support Iran a little bit. A few of these hit pinprick strikes and we can create significant chaos and damage in the US. Why wouldn't you do it? Well, you add that to the AI misinformation. People were sharing, including politicians, Greg Abbott, shared this fake AI image of the supposed airman who was shot down and rescued and whatever.
36:00This thing was spread widely. It's just completely fabricated. And if any of you guys have gone on Twitter and tried to figure out what the hell is going on, it's a near impossibility. There's all kinds of fake strikes or repurposed video from this or that. It's very hard to sort through what is going on. You've got a whole bunch of authoritarian governments, including Israels, that are involved here that are only showing the world the pieces that they want to show, you know, maybe strategically leaking something or showing something in order to evince some sympathy from the world. But otherwise, lots of damage is being undersold.
36:34And let me go back to that intercept report I mentioned, because I think this is highly significant. So at the intercept, they say there's a casualty coverup. The Pentagon is hiding U.S. losses under Trump in the Middle East. According to their reporting, this is from last week, almost 750 U.S. troops have been wounded or killed in the Middle East since October 2023. That's an analysis from the intercept, but the Pentagon will not acknowledge it. CENTCOM, which oversees military operations in the Middle East, appears to be engaged in what a defense official called a casualty cover-up, offering the intercept lowball and outdated figures failing to provide clarifications on military deaths and injuries.
37:11At least 15 troops, they say, were wounded Friday in an Iranian attack on a Saudi airbase that hosts American troops. That's according to two government officials who spoke with the intercept. Hundreds of U.S. personnel have been killed or injured in the region since the U.S. launched a war on Iran just over a month ago. They go on to detail the way that CENTCOM has sent outdated statements on casualty numbers. They result in undercounts, including a statement sent Monday from spokesperson Captain Tim Hawkins, noting that since the start of Operation Epic Fury, approximately 303 U.S. service members have been wounded.
37:43That comment was three days old and excluded at least 15 wounded in the Friday attack on Prince Sultan Air Base in Saudi Arabia. Command did not reply to repeated requests for updated figures. They also would not provide a count of troops who have died in the region since the start of the war. An intercept analysis puts the number at no less than 15. So they're cooking the books here. They're underselling the amount of deaths. They're underselling the amount of injuries in a systematic fashion, using outdated numbers and trying to deceive the news media. And so the intercept was able to catch them in some of this deception.
38:17Yeah, not a surprise literally at all, right? And so you could see pretty obviously. But also, we all knew this was the case. Let's go through a few other examples. Do you remember the Saudi embassy, the U.S. embassy in Riyadh when it got hit? And we were told, just a fire. Don't worry about it. Turns out the fire raged for hours, destroyed a significant part of the embassy. We learned about it three weeks later. Same with the bases. We've sustained minor damage. Now we're being told they're basically uninhabitable. And a lot of the troops there had to relocate to some of these hotels. This was the case for some of the radars that were hit.
38:54We were told it's no big deal. That's when the satellite imagery came out immediately after. We're like, oh my God, this entire battery is completely gone. And so basically at every turn, you should remember there's more damage than we know about. And the really big stuff like the tankers and remember some of those aircraft that we've lost that are on the ground, that stuff has to come out because it's so sensational. But lower level things about, oh, we're not living in the base anymore. Oh, actually the embassy was on fire but actually burned a lot more. I would not be shocked. If energy infrastructure has been hit, I would say, five times harder.
39:29I mean, what? Are you really going to disclose the amount of damage that has taken place in your oil refinery? Probably not. You don't want to show how weak actually you are or how close to breaking. So I really think everyone should just remember the immense amount of censorship. And then, look, Iran too. They release all kinds of stuff. They release something about some guy's skull that was in a U.S. military. And you're like, maybe. I mean, look, it's I mean, is it possible that an American was killed and we're not told about it? I find it very hard to believe. Oh, I find it very easy to believe.
40:02See, because I've asked around about this. KIA is just a whole other. Well, I mean, according to the intercept report, there's at least two that we haven't been told about. And so what they can do is I don't think they can delay it forever. But can they, you know, can they delay it? Absolutely. And these people will lie about things even that they know will ultimately come out. They just have zero shame. So, no, that's not hard for me to imagine at all. I'm not saying the Iranian report is true. I'm just saying that that is not difficult for me to imagine whatsoever. And the other piece that is unaccounted for is we have, I don't know how many, contractors throughout the region as well.
40:34That's true. And we haven't gotten any insight into injuries among contractors, casualties among contractors. And they're, you know, in many cases basically doing the same job as the U.S. military. So in any case, very, very incomplete picture of what the reality is for Israel, for our Gulf allies, for the U.S. inside of Iran. Very limited pictures of what's actually going on here. That's right. All right. Let's get to Trita Parsi. Crystal is going to step out because she's got a train to catch. That's right. I'm going to New York. By the way, if anyone is in Brooklyn tonight, I'm going to be doing this Jacobin event that I'm excited about.
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44:27Joining us now is our great friend Dr. Trita Parsi of the Quincy Institute, great friend of the show. Good to see you, sir. Thanks for joining us. Good to be with you. Okay, let's go ahead and start off with a tremendous allegation here where the president telling Trey Yinks of Fox News that actually the United States did send arms to some Kurdish militant groups and that somehow that didn't end up failing as some sort of mission. Let's take a listen and we'll get your reaction. Now, the president also provided new details on what happened earlier this year as the Iranian regime took to the streets and slaughtered what the president tells me is 45000 civilians in their own country.
45:04After that took place, President Trump told me the United States sent guns to the Iranian protesters. He tells me we sent them a lot of guns. We sent them through the Kurds. And the president says he thinks the Kurds kept them. He went on to say we sent guns to the protesters, a lot of them. Pretty extraordinary allegation there, sir. Maybe either talking about the previous protests from before the war or after the war, arming the Kurds. But how should we receive and analyze this news in the context of the war that we're currently in? Well, if you go back and look at the coverage of these protests at the time and my own interviews with you guys, it was very clear that there was something very different about these protests in terms of the violence, And not only that was used overwhelmingly, of course, by the Iranian government and the very large number of deaths, not the 40 ,000 that Trump is referencing, but certainly around 7 ,000.
46:02But also because there was so much violence from some elements within the protest movement, which was very unusual. So you saw targeting of mosques, of fire stations, of banks, etc., as well as the killing of at least 200 or so of the government's forces. This is not what we had seen in Iran before. And at the time, a lot of us was trying to understand how is it that this came about this way, that we have this very significant change in trends. And at the time, of course, Mike Pompeo, former head of CIA, was tweeting how the Mossad was on the ground, hinting at the US arming these various elements.
46:42And now, of course, Trump coming with not an allegation, but probably a revelation that this actually was exactly what was happening, that there was elements inside of Iran that were being armed by the United States and Israel were conducting some of this violence. Now, the timeline that he's presenting here seems to be a bit off. He's essentially saying that the armaments came to these protesters after the Iranian government killed so many of them. And this is around January 8th and 9th. But I think he may have actually misspoken there because there were clear evidence that something was happening before then.
47:19And that really what this was is that you had two different things happening at the same time. A very large, highly peaceful protest against the government calling for it to be completely replaced. And then another element that operated under the shadow of these larger protests that was using violence on a scale that we had not seen before. And a lot of the protesters that were out there had no idea about this. They were not involved in any violence. They were not going out there protesting violently to overthrow the government. Nevertheless, once the government started clamping down, they killed both peaceful protesters as well as people from these armed elements, what appears to be without much discrimination.
48:02Very important, yeah, that we make that distinction. But to say openly from the president, yeah, we sent them a lot of weapons actually probably bolsters a lot of the case that the regime itself was making for why it had to have such a large crackdown in the first place. So at the same time, though, we have to get your reaction here for how the Iranians are going to respond from Trump's insane Easter message. Let's put it up there, guys, on the screen. Tuesday will be power plant day, bridge day all wrapped in one. There will be nothing like it. Open the fucking straight, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in hell.
48:34Just watch. Praise be to Allah, President Donald J. Trump. Tell us a little bit about, sir, about the way that this is going to be internalized in Iran by the regime as they consider all these last-minute ceasefire proposals and things that are flying around this morning. I think there will be two primary takeaways on the Iranian side. The first one is that Trump is losing it, that he's acting in increased desperation. He's speaking from a position of anger and frustration rather than through measured and thought through threats that he actually can act on. He's issued a lot of threats that he has not acted on precisely because he cannot act on them without causing massive escalation that would backfire on the U.S.
49:18itself. Yeah. And so when— Go ahead. Sorry, go ahead. Right. Secondly, when looking at this, I think the Iranians are probably starting to think that Trump may actually go towards the nuclear option. But his desperation has now led to a scenario in which he may very well consider options like that. And I have spoken to former US officials who are very concerned that this is the direction that Trump is going in. The use of language such as total surrender, et cetera, that echoes the Second World War language vis-a-vis the Japanese, for instance, are things that are making people worry that this may actually be a consideration.
50:00Mindful of the fact that none of Trump's threats or actions so far have brought the Iranians an inch closer toward the type of surrender and capitulation that Trump still seems to be looking for. I don't think it's forthcoming. And as a result, people are starting to fear that actually there may be a use of a nuclear weapon. Yeah. I mean, I'm terrified about it as well. I made a joke earlier in the show. The thing about the madman theory is you're not supposed to actually be mad. You're just supposed to be pretending to be mad. But that's actually kind of the core question. At this point, every ounce of pressure the U.S.
50:34has put for a ceasefire has been rejected. Obviously, that leads the U.S. logic of let's up it because this time they might break. We do have this statement from the Speaker of the Parliament. We can put it up here on the screen. He says, your reckless moves are dragging the United States into a living hell for every single family member in our whole region is going to burn because you insist on following Netanyahu's commands. So they remain defiant. But sir, if we do go past the deadline, if the attack does happen, what will the likely response by Iran then be? Will we see the same horizontal escalation across the region?
51:10Will we see, you know, what possibly do they have left in their arsenal to make things even worse and escalate this into total war? We don't know what they have left in their arsenal in terms of how many missiles they have left, if they have more advanced missiles that they haven't used. I think we should admit, though, that they have surprised the United States several times by using missile technology, et cetera, that, you know, frankly, we didn't believe that they had. So I think one has to be very humble in recognizing that perhaps they have several other cards up their sleeves that could really surprise us.
51:42I think also what we saw over the weekend with what appears to have been a rescue attempt against an American pilot that was shot down in Iranian airspace, but also that there seems to be other things going on that may suggest that there also was perhaps an effort to launch some form of a smaller land invasion in order to grab the Iranian HU, but that it failed. All of these things are coming together here. And I think what we're seeing is that as a result, the Iranians may very well do exactly what they have threatened to do, but have not done yet, which is to go after the oil infrastructure, the energy infrastructure in the region, as well as desalination plants, et cetera, in the GCC states, as well as in Israel.
52:28And those states are actually more sensitive when it comes to this than Iran is. And if the Iranians go after the oil installations and the oil infrastructure, I think we have to recognize that's a very different scenario we would end up in. Right now, the oil prices are high because of a bottleneck in the Persian Gulf. The oil tankers are not coming through unless they pay the Iranians a transit fee. We are not having an oil problem because infrastructure has been destroyed and production has come down. But if you add that to the scenario, which means that not only do we have a bottleneck, but we also have a production problem, that's when you will likely see oil prices go up between 150, perhaps 200.
53:08Not only is it going to increase because of that immediate shortage, but because if all infrastructure is taken out, then you also have long-term shortages because they're going to take years to be able to rebuild all of that. Right now, in the absence of that destruction, oil prices can actually go down to more normal levels within weeks if this conflict is resolved. But if the oil infrastructure is destroyed, it's going to take years to do so, even if the conflict is resolved. That's a major escalatory card that the Iranians have. They've been using it as a counter threat to prevent the United States from going after Iran's oil infrastructure and other civilian infrastructure.
53:46Last question for you then. What about the Houthis? They've remained largely out of the conflict so far in the Red Sea. They did fire several missiles at Israel today, but they have not fully tried to close the Red Sea. I saw some reports that it's possible that they've been paid off by Saudi Arabia or, you know, bribed effectively to stay out of the conflict. How seriously do you take those reports? Do you think they're just holding back? Because their, you know, strategy so far in the conflict has been – has either not made sense or they just seem to be waiting. What do you think? I think it's more that they're waiting.
54:18What we have seen is that what they have done, when they have done something, it appears to have been very closely coordinated, not only with Iran, but also with Hezbollah and Lebanon. Meaning that the attacks are coming in a very coordinated and timed fashion in order to make the Israelis put them in as a disadvantageous position as possible. All of that, to me, suggests that they're demonstrating their capability as a deterrence. But if the U.S. escalates massively after these threats, then I think it is quite likely that the Houthis will enter the war fully. And that will, again, further the horizontal escalation from what we've seen so far.
54:56Yeah. Well, sir, thank you, as always, for joining us and for all of the insight you're able to give us. We appreciate it very much, and we'll see you later. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you guys so much for watching. We appreciate it. Ryan and I will be out tomorrow. Bro Show. We'll see you then.
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