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31:54Janet Mills has dropped out, making Graham Plattner the presumptive Democratic nominee for Maine Senate. And why don't we start with a little video here. The Mills militias has surrendered to the Nazis. They've been routed. They've been routed. Dichy Maine. Yes. Yes. But why don't we take a look at our last hope to stop Grand Platter. Emily's been spending a lot of time on Blue Sky with those takes. Yes. Yes. Maybe I should. That'd be awesome. If Emily was huge on Blue Sky for some reason. I'm on Blue Sky.

32:33There's one last chance to stop the Plattner menace here with Susan Collins. Let's take a listen to her reaction to these updates in the race. Action to the Mills news. I'm sure this was a very difficult decision for Governor Mills. and I wish her well. She has devoted her life to public service in the state of Maine in many different capacities. She has served the people of our state and I'm sure this was a hard decision for her. Will Planner be easier to beat in your view? I'm not going to get into the November election at this point. This is the governor's day. And I think the focus should be on her and her wanting to give her message to the people of Maine.

33:43Riveting stuff. And correct me if I'm wrong, Ryan, but did Janet Mills then endorse Graham Plattner? say that she's going to vote for him instead? She did not. She very explicitly said that she would not be voting for Susan Collins. But she left open the possibility then of what she would be doing. She won't vote for the Republican. Okay, great. She said something like, I will carefully watch Graham Plattner's race and see, you know, as I do with all races in Maine or some blah, blah, blah like that. Yeah. Schumer, though. Yeah. Yeah, Schumer did jump in, you know, behind Plattner, which is obviously very different from his approach with Azor and Mamdani in his own state.

34:31And pretty remarkable, given that they share, you know, some very similar views, especially on Israel, which, of course, is a problem for Schumer. I do want to just before we jump into that aspect of it, just pause and reflect on what an extraordinary, what an extraordinary long shot campaign this was. This man, Graham Blatter, had never run for office before, started his race very early. We interviewed him, of course, here very early. And he was up against the sitting governor of Maine, who is not disliked in Maine, by the way. I mean, her approval rating is not amazing, but it's not terrible either.

35:10And Democrats had like sort of, you know, they were fine with her, but they really were impressed with Plattner. So when Mills gets in, of course, there's this huge oppo dump and there was plenty there to work with from the tattoo to all the Reddit posts to even his history and his story about his military service and how long he continued to serve. And then working with this contractor in Afghanistan as well. And so there was a real national consensus that this was going to be the end of him, that people were going to look at that and say, oh, God, we can't have this guy. We need the electable candidate, Janet Mills.

35:46And that is just not what happened at all. In fact, the polar opposite happened. People became more fervently committed to Graham Plattner and his polls just continued to rise to the place where it was undeniable he was going to emerge victorious. Now, there's all kinds of squabbling right now and pieces being written of this one leaking and that one leaking about how Schumer abandoned her and didn't put enough money behind her, etc., etc. But truly, whatever the behind the scenes internal machinations were, truly the bottom line here is that you had Graham Plattner compared to Janet Mills, much younger, really forceful on Israel, really forceful on fighting against oligarchs.

36:28polygarchs. And this is where the normie Democratic base is at this point. They were not swayed by the electability arguments, which was most of what, you know, the Mills camp really were offering here. Oh, Susan Collins is going to chew him up and spit him out. I think that is so different from what would have unfolded in previous cycles. And it also makes it very difficult. You know, what we heard from with Zora Mamdani's, oh, well, that's New York City. It's blue. It's totally different. Well, here you have Maine, you know, it's very sort of like normie state, a lot of blue collar workers, a state that a lot of ways has been left behind as well with relatively high poverty.

37:07And, you know, you can't you can no longer just blame the the commie corridor types and the DSA types for wanting this type of candidate at this point. That's right. And one One last one last point here is that the polls consistently showed that Graham Plattner is a stronger candidate versus Susan Collins than Janet Mills was. And I think that also just completely blows the minds. I mean, they just can't accept, you know, the general national consensus, the sort of establishment Democratic mindset just can't accept that he actually genuinely is a stronger candidate versus Susan Collins. Yeah. And that polling point.

37:48Go for it, Ryan. Yeah, in the interesting, in the like catty backbiting pieces that are emerging with people pointing fingers at each other, to me, the most substantial thing that emerged was Schumer's camp saying, okay, here are all the problems with Mills's camp and why it's actually her fault. But on the point of us not spending enough money for her, we couldn't because it would have been too politically toxic. Yeah, I got that right here for you. Yeah. Yeah. So, Grant, in other words, Graham had too much support from a majority of Democrats in the state. And therefore, Schumer coming in would have been going up against a majority of the voters.

38:27And there would have been then too much blowback against him and the National Party for meddling in Maine. Well, and Schumer is so unpopular himself. Right. That it would likely not help Janet Mills. Exactly. I mean, she already was seen as the Schumer candidate, and that was part of the problem for her. And they dropped the negative ads. They went for it. And the polling yawned even further after the negative ads from Mills came out. And then Collins Super PAC, funded by billionaires who have destroyed Maine, came out. They were actually not even as good. Like Mills had the fancy like AI voice, which is extremely unethical.

39:12But, you know, they put the AI platner through the Reddit posts. Whereas the Collins post did the same thing, but they weren't even as well done. And I don't see how those are going to work either. And Emily, really curious for your take on this. He already has center left and the left locked up. Now Collins is going to run our campaign. I'm seeing all the Republicans calling him a Nazi and saying that like making insensitive comments about women who were sexually assaulted. so on what planet don't look on what planet does that work with the right the the right has spent the last couple decades getting called a not or thinking they're always getting called nazis whether they're getting called nazis or not they they in it's part of their identity that they're under siege and always being called nazis and now all of a sudden you've got the super pack calling another guy a nazi isn't that going to make them be like well actually maybe he's one of us falsely being accused of being a Nazi by the...

40:19How is this going to work on the right? Like, are they all of a sudden feminists? Are they all of a sudden just believing accusations that you're a Nazi? No, I sent this to you guys yesterday. The first statement that the RNC put out called Graham Plattner a Nazi. And one of the reasons that the Mills campaign obviously did not work is because people, those attacks just don't, They don't work on Democrats even like, let alone Republicans, to your point, Ryan. But obviously what they're going for in this race is going to be like independence. And I will say Susan Collins is notoriously hard to beat.

40:55She puts up a hell of a fight. Whatever you think of Susan Collins, that woman has shown a wild proclivity to hang on to the seat or a wild ability to hang on to that seat. Despite where the polls seem to look at different points like that was. What was her name? Sarah Gideon. Right. the last time around go back cycle yeah you go back cycle after cycle you can bet a lot of money is going to pour in um but it's truly like it reminds me ryan actually of that john ossoff ad that everyone was talking about on x uh over the course of this week which i'm sure you guys saw um but it was it like ossoff running not on any culture war issues in fact in the ad he calls the culture war distraction, which Plattner has as well.

41:39We don't have to debate that, but it's a really good political line because he puts that in the back burner and then deals with these like kitchen table issues of corruption causing average Americans pain. And what, Crystal, you can probably speak to this too. What Winsome Sears did in Virginia was say that like we can coast on Dems being woke. Like let's just, we're just going to throw the culture war at Abigail Spanberger over and over again and not really deal with the affordability stuff in a super high profile or it's we're not going to make that like a huge thrust or the only thrust of our campaign.

42:15And they've had these examples to learn from over and over again. But right away, right out the gate, it's Plattner is a Nazi. So enjoy how that works out for you guys. Yeah. Well, and the thing with the Winsome Sears campaign, too, is that if you're the one running all of the like trans bathroom and trans sports ads, then people go, wait a second. Y 'all are the ones that are obsessed with this issue. You know, Abigail Spanberger is over here. Actually, she did a lot of like, I'm a national security dem type of thing in Virginia, but she also did a lot of affordability messaging as well. You know, I will see what happens in the race, but I do think that things have become so polarized and partisan now.

42:55It's hard for me to see how Susan Collins hangs on. And you have such, I mean, the generic ballot like gap in favor of Dems at this point is really quite extraordinary. One thing, Ryan, I wanted to ask you is in terms of the disparate treatment of Plattner versus Mamdani when they share very similar political ideology. If anything, I'd say Plattner has been a little more rough around the edges in terms of how he's talked about Israel and Hamas and these sorts of things than Zoran. There's more to work with there if you're trying to sort of demonize him. I mean, is this is Schumer's different approach, a recognition of where the Democratic base is?

43:35Or is it just racism that when he hears it from a white guy, he can stomach it when he hears it from a brown Muslim? It's not acceptable. I think some of it's racism. Maybe some of it's his backyard. And then some of it is different tactical environments. I think if Mills dropped out and was like, Maine is a state where independence is, you know, is elevated, is, you know, and I am considering running as an independent, you know, just like Angus King is an independent in Maine. Then maybe Schumer keeps his powder dry. And so in New York, Cuomo. Like Alaska. Yeah. And in New York, he had Cuomo as the independent.

44:16And so it's embarrassing for a Democrat to not back the Democrat, but, you know, he would rather win with Cuomo than be embarrassed and back Mount Donnie. So I think he was left with no choice in Maine. It's like, this is the guy. Like, he is the nominee. And she's not running as an independent. So I think that distinction played a role, too. But I don't know, like, I think some of it's also just, yeah, racism and rooted in kind of who they are. Yeah. Well, why don't we take a listen to the man himself speaking to Jon Stewart this week? There has been more reach out from, I would say, more kind of like establishment folks.

45:04However, however, this is the important part. not from like the not from like the dscc not from the dnc like the like nobody in the places of power remains interested but they're lost dude like they're lost and the thing that bothers me the most isn't like i'm not i'm not asking for you to like be my friend i'm just but you should be curious because I'm pulling 40 points ahead. Right. Like, at least at least just reach out and be like, hey, what are you actually? Because we've never they've never they've never spoken ever. I've never gotten a phone call. Never gotten a phone call. I think it was Hassan who said, think it look like a chud, think like a woke.

45:51That's Flattner. That's the winning model. But, you know, Ryan, I think you identified actually the biggest pitfall for him, which is that Tim Walls is about to come campaign for him in the state. And as much as we might get irritated, like, why isn't the party even reaching out to him? On the other hand, it's actually really great for him to be like, see, have some separation from the Democratic Party brand, because we all know the Democratic Party brand is extremely toxic. Like every dye in the wool Democrat is going to vote for Graham Plattner. The question is people who are, you know, more independent and sort of disgusted with national Democrats, are they going to be on board with him?

46:24And so the more that he's sort of like subsumed now into that standard issue Democratic Party brand, I actually think that's like more of a peril for him than anything else. Like Dan Osborne. Right, yeah. I would have Osborne come out there. If I were in Graham's camp, I'd have Osborne come out. I'd keep having Sean Fain and other union leaders come out. Bernie's Bernie. But Tim Walz, maybe old Tim Walz before he was, but he's tainted by that VP run. And it's, yeah, that is the risk that he starts to look like part of the like bog. But I assume that he gets that. But yeah, here comes Tim Wall.

47:09So we'll keep an eye out. It's interesting that Tim Wall has decided, like of all the candidates that let me go. Let me go campaign with this one. That's kind of an interesting choice to me. After Mills drops out too. right before that um but the his his campaign manager and graham had a press conference yesterday uh afternoon and one of the things this campaign manager said on there is that they i don't have the exact number but they had they started doing the math on the number of individuals that he had spoken to directly and it was something like approaching like scale like they have they have taken like this these one-on-one conversations that he's had at all of these town halls and they're scaling it up into the tens or even hundreds of thousands yeah so and they were saying that when they did some research and polling they kept coming across people in their polling huge numbers whose whose reason that they were supporting platner is that they had met Palatner personally and were swayed by him.

48:16That is a incredible buffer against the negative ads. You see it on TV like, oh, I saw that guy. I saw Semaphore had a piece quoting some, I don't know, you know, Republican strategists who were like, oh, we're going to, you know, we're going to destroy him. We're going to drop all this money on him. We're going to do all these negative ads. And it's like, I mean, I'm sure they'll be able to bang up his favorability rating some, But it's not like the Mills people and Schumer people didn't try. So, you know, I think he is somewhat inoculated from the type of attacks that they've been launching.

48:49Unless they have something different that we haven't yet seen, you never know. But your point about Maine is an important one. And I don't have any like deep familiarity with the state. But from watching, you know, you guys reporter there and Alex Seitzwald, who also moved back to Maine and has been doing reporting on the ground there. And I also have a close friend who's like grew up in Maine. and he okay he grew up in maine hasn't lived there in years and he still was like what was that guy's name who you said is running and he like reached out to his buddies and of course had some kind of connection to him because it's a very small state and it's much more there's there's still my sense is there's still a lot more sort of like community cohesion in maine than there is in a lot of the country and that's part of what has allowed susan collins to be able to win for so long because she You know, there are a lot of people there like I know her personally and she did this and I saw her there or whatever.

49:41But it's also something that can benefit Graham because he is deeply immersed in, you know, main community and has been running a campaign. And even before his campaign, he was a grassroots organizer and this is what he was doing. So I do think that that is a huge advantage for him and will help to inoculate him against some of those negative attacks that are inevitably coming. Yeah. Well, the negative attack, negative attacks. I'm going to give some advice to the Republican oppo for a second. It can't be that he's a Nazi, but maybe the tattoo he has is actually trans somehow. Like maybe it's part of the trans community.

50:17Isn't there the trans socialist militia? Yeah, exactly. There we go. Now we're getting closer to something or and it's actually it has its roots in Black Lives Matter. So I would go that direction with the tattoo. I mean, there is some like culture stuff that they can make inroads with him on. But what Maine Democrats just showed, I think, is going to apply to Maine voters overall. They have serious affordability concerns. They have kitchen table problems and they want somebody who is going to address that first and foremost. So they don't trust the political establishment. Susan Collins is the political establishment.

50:54The difference in some of these, especially like more rural states, is that Susan Collins comes across as the antithesis. And to us, that might seem strange, but she comes across as the antithesis to some people of D.C. politics because she's on the ground. She's a very good grassroots politician. She goes to all of the events. she's she's that's how she's been able to hang on. So and she votes against her own party sometimes and big decisions, not always, but sometimes in these big decisions. So that is what they'll have to contend with. But if it's just going to be culture war attacks, that's obviously not going to work.

51:30It didn't work for Andrew Cuomo. It's not going to work in Maine either. Well, we mentioned Tim Walz and the Democratic Party stained by the 2024 race. So I thought we We should end this segment with a very interesting interview on Pod Save America between Jon Favreau and DNC chair Ken Martin. Now, there has been a 2024 autopsy on the 2024 race, what happened, why they lost. And it's been kept under lock and key, to which Jon Favreau has some questions about why Ken has not released it. This is a little long and a little inside baseball, but I think it's worth a listen. Let's take a listen. I want to start with the 2024 autopsy, which you call an after action review.

52:15When you won the chairmanship in February of 25, you criticized the DNC's refusal to release their 2016 autopsy is exactly what not to do. You said, quote, was there any utility in doing that? And then promised your 2024 autopsy would be different. Your exact quote was, of course, it will be released. Why did you change your mind on that? Well, look, I mean, what I said all along, even when I ran for this position, is that we were going to focus on the things that will help us win the upcoming election, right? Making sure that we learn the right lessons that could help inform our victories. And that's what we've done.

52:52We said this when we sent out the press release back in November saying we weren't going to release the report. We were going to actually keep our focus on those lessons. And we released those lessons. We continue to do that. So it's not completely accurate to say that we didn't release that. Where we're keeping our focus is on the lessons that can actually help us win. On this show in August, you told me this about releasing the review, quote, we have to do it to give people who invested so much time, energy and money a sense of what happened and why we lost, especially why we lost. So what changed between August and December?

53:26I understand there are lessons, but those are not the full report. Why not release the full report? What's in the report that you wouldn't want to publicize? Yeah, there's no smoking gun in the report. And I know that's what everyone's so eager to learn. The smoking gun. Guess what, John? But if there's no smoking gun, why wouldn't you just release it then? Because we want to keep the focus on the lessons. Because what ends up happening here is that people, of course, want to weaponize the report in a way to look backwards, to point fingers, place blame in a way that actually doesn't keep us focused on the upcoming election.

53:58But instead, the navel gazing of focusing backwards actually takes us backwards. We're 189 days from this election, John. What we don't need to be focused on is actually re-litigating 2024. What we need to do is learn the lessons of 2024 and the years preceding that can help us win this upcoming election. I get why people are obsessed with it, because there's various groups and organizations and people who think there's some sort of smoking gun in there. Guess what, John? In the third closest presidential election in the last 100 years, everything mattered. There's nothing that can impact that election.

54:33Why did you spend the money going to 50 states, doing all these interviews, doing all this stuff, and doing this report in the first place if you weren't going to release the full results of it? I don't get why just you and some of the senior DNC people get to see it, but not most of the DNC members who are, you know, state party chairs. I mean, you know, more than a dozen DNC members told NBC just the other week they want it released, including Congresswoman Delia Ramirez and North Carolina Democratic Party chair Anderson Clayton. And Anderson said, quote, genuinely, what did you all find that we did not?

55:10and just the top comment on YouTube for that Pod Save interview is we are so fucked. So, guys, I'm going to put the question to you. What could the lesson possibly be that is being hidden here? Yeah, I mean, it's pretty obvious at this point. They don't want to put out that the funding and supporting of a genocide in Gaza was actually a political problem. It was not only a moral atrocity, but it was also a political problem for them. I think that's pretty clear at this point. But, you know, I, Ryan, I'm curious if you have anything on this. First of all, we just have to pause and reflect on what he's trying to sell there, which is he's like, we need to not look backwards, but we do need to learn the lessons so we can win.

55:56Well, it's like, but the whole point of this was to learn the lessons so that you could win. And it reminds me very much of the Republicans who whenever they'd get asked about whether or not 2020 was rigged and whether or not Donald Trump really won and Joe Biden was the rightful president. Oh, we shouldn't look backwards. We shouldn't look backwards. Clearly just trying to dodge all of this. The way he's handled is so foolish because let's say you put out the full report and it did say something that was inconvenient about Gaza. Like that would be old news by now. No one would be talking about it anymore.

56:26It would be, you know, we'd be 3 ,000 news cycles later at this point. But because they didn't release it, now it's this whole thing. I did see, though, Ryan, some speculation on Twitter that perhaps they didn't even completely finish the report. And that might be part of why they never put it out. So I don't know if that is possibly part of what's going on here, too. I think that's plausible. And I also think, so think about what, it was what, mid-July? When did he finally, no, when did he finally drop out? It was like August, right before the convention-ish. When did Sagar get married? Because that's when he dropped out.

57:05It was July. Sagar planned his wedding around there. It was July, yeah. In any event, in a very short period, they raised and spent a billion dollars. A billion, yeah. And these are very, there are very, it's not, they is very broad. There are very specific consultants and factions and people that spent that billion dollars. How did they spend it? Who did they give it to? What consultants walked away with tens of millions? What firms got paid hundreds of millions? Because we're talking like a billion dollars is an endless amount of money. It's difficult to spend that amount of money and that amount of time.

57:50And so I think that's also, they don't want those details necessarily spilled out. Because A, they will be weaponized by other consultants who felt like they should have been the ones that got to spend all of this money. And also just generally, it gives people like us information that we can talk about. And like, wow,$190 million doing this? That didn't work? Like you should be in jail. Um, so I think that, I think that's a significant part of it too, that there's so much money involved that it's just better for them to say, well, we learned some lessons. Trust us that these are the correct lessons that we should learn from this and just follow, follow our guidance going forward.

58:37And what are the current lessons being released that are okay for normal people's eyes to view? Is it that we need to pivot more to the right? That we need to not talk about trans issues? What are these lessons that have been released? What even are the lessons that Ken Martin said? I think the lessons are don't be mean to me. Please keep my job. Ryan, what's the Barney Frank thing? Didn't Barney Frank come out? Like I actually assume it's probably similar to that. Didn't Barney Frank come out this week? Crystal, you might know this too and say. Yeah, I just saw the headline. He's like dying and decided to as his last act on Earth to release some book bashing the left.

59:17Talking about how that's my plan, which is which is actually a perfect legacy for him, to be honest with you. Yeah. Yeah. Love Barney Frank. So just, you know, that pod save America commenter. commenter. I think we are all feeling that way right now. Shout out to Favreau, though. He did a great job of that interview. You know, very persistent, really good lines of questioning. And it is inside baseball. There's no doubt about it. But it's still, you know, very important to see the way that this apparatus functions or doesn't function, who it protects, what messages they find it convenient to put out and what things they want to keep hidden forever.

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1:03:34Well, and this comes as the news this week of pretty big layoffs at Meta, which Ryan and I covered on Wednesday. Other tech companies have undergone similar layoffs. By the way, they're getting lots of money from the government right now, lots of privileges at the very least from the government right now. So I always love to see that when people are getting government privileges and then also laying off tens of thousands of workers or thousands of workers. So obviously there's panic right now in Silicon Valley. They're the ones who told everybody to learn to code. And they, because they were smarter than the rest of us, they did learn to code.

1:04:10They've now found themselves in quite a predicament because a lot of those certainly entry level and mid-level jobs can be consolidated. And this is, I mean, there's debate in Silicon Valley. I'm curious, Crystal, particularly what you think about this on how much you can actually replace humans with generative AI to what degree you still need some human element. But I actually think we're starting to get the answer because the layoffs and the positions just being like wiped from databases, like they're not hiring for certain positions anymore. That's starting to give us an answer. If they think they can replace those workers, obviously they're doing it at this point.

1:04:54Right. So we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg, I think, in the economy. Yeah. And part of the point that this woman makes in this article, actually, is that even as it's unknowable exactly how many humans can be replaced by AI, number one, you have all of the top AI CEOs saying this is what we're doing. This is the goal. This is the direction we're heading in. You see the impact already with coders, to your point, with college, new college graduates graduating and sending out hundreds of resumes and not getting, you know, a single interview or single callback, etc. But also you see it because these corporate executives are under a lot of pressure to remove, to eliminate job positions and replace with AI.

1:05:32And so when you see another company that does a layoff and says it's because of AI, and then they get a huge bump in their stock price, that creates a logic of its own that actually front runs the ability of AI to truly replace the human beings. So there's a underlying market logic that is already driving companies in the direction of, well, they say that AI can replace human beings, so we're just going to go ahead and do this right now. Fortunately, AI cannot replace kitties anytime soon. So I think we're already seeing that market logic take hold. And then the other part of this piece that contemplates, I think, a very realistic possibility of this American underclass, truly, in addition, it will be a global underclass.

1:06:17We already have a global underclass, but this will just add to it, is that you've got a lot of these AI CEOs who will make some noise of, oh, I'm concerned about this, and this is something we've got to think about, and we need to deal with this, and there needs to be policy in place. Sometimes they'll even float some idea of, oh, well, let's tax this or, you know, let's increase the capital gains tax or something of that nature. But then when she would ask them, OK, well, are you putting some of your lobbying dollars behind pushing for any of these solutions? Every single one of them demurt. So as Ryan has been tracking as closely as anyone, these AI companies are huge players now in elections.

1:06:53They are backing candidates who will do their bidding in terms of the regulatory framework that they want. So they're being very aggressive about playing in politics. They're telling us that they are just ripping up the social contract, that there is this cliff that they're pushing us over as we speak. But when you get into, OK, so are you going to be part of offering these solutions, pushing for the solutions that you are trying to develop internally? not a one of them has come to the table. And, you know, from my perspective, as you know, as like a democratic socialist perspective, the real answer to this is about who owns the technology, which, of course, something that they never want to address.

1:07:37So all of their things are kind of tinkering around the edges of tax this, tax that, you know, let's maybe have a jobs program, let's retrain people, et cetera. But to me, the core issue is who owns and who gets to deploy this technology because it is the height of insanity to me that you have this handful of very wealthy, very powerful individuals who are literally deciding, you know, can I I'm going to put out this model and it may like completely upend this industry. It may completely destroy this whole sector of jobs. And I'm going to be solely effectively responsible for making these truly seismic types of decisions.

1:08:15I don't know if you guys saw this and I haven't checked too much into like the details of this, but that was floating around Twitter, that a Chinese court actually ruled it illegal to replace human workers with AI purely for the sake of cost cutting. And when you see something like that, it really blows your mind that that's like a possible societal outcome that you could that you could live in a society that would draw lines and say, you know, actually, we're not going to just eliminate all of human labor. Thank you very much. Because there's like a there's like a terrible loop that happens. If everyone's unemployed, no one can buy anything.

1:08:48So then they see that. But there seems to be this death drive where these AI companies know they're creating like the end of the world, but there's nothing they can do but keep going. Right. Yeah. Makes no sense. Like who, if the AI puts everybody out of work. No, exactly. Nobody has any income. Then how's the AI company going to make money? It's like, right. From who? It's the definition of a doom loop, truly, for everyone involved. And the end of the road of this is a disaster for all at a time when we already have extraordinarily high levels of inequality. And this guarantees that we will reach levels of inequality that have heretofore never been seen in history.

1:09:37Well, that's just factually inaccurate, Crystal. We are about to have universal high income. Thanks to Mr. Musk. Universal high income. And this is what everyone can have a penthouse promises. I'm going to ask, I'm going to ask Ashley St. Claire, if she thinks that there, that's what's going to happen. She's even giving her a high income. Speaking of universal high income. Yeah. Elon also said that everyone will have a penthouse, which I love because then it's like, okay, then there's a bunch of empty floors in every building so that everyone could just be on the top one. Those are awesome. He is designing the future impeccably.

1:10:15Crystal mentioned also owning, like, that we need to, like, own this AI stuff. The people who are currently owning AI, it's screwing them. So here's another example from, this one is coming from PC Gamer. Here we go again. AI deletes entire company database and all backups in nine seconds, then cheerfully admits I violated every principle I was given. There's some more great quotes here. He asked the AI why he had done it. Never fucking guess begins the response. And that's exactly what I did. I guessed that deleting a staging volume via the API would be scoped to staging early. I didn't verify.

1:10:55I didn't check if the volume ID was shared across environments. I didn't read Railway's documentation or how volumes work before running a destructive command. So it does seem like there's this rush to implement it because your stock goes up. If you show, hey, we're implementing AI into our workflow now. We're stopped hiring. We're cutting workers. And then a lot of this AI is actually just, yeah, putting, yeah, deleting your entire company. Yeah, it's great. I mean, yeah, we should definitely let AI agents have access to like your bank account and your email and, you know, all of your personal details.

1:11:30Let them post on Twitter for you. Good luck. The pushback to that piece was it was only down for 30 hours and the company was able to find a backup. uh and and so what are you guys freaking out about it's not that big so so some rental car companies had to go 30 hours you know without access to any of their customer data we eventually found it it's fine don't worry about it right like oh good still worried actually glad you found that data like that's good with with like enormous attention on it like they had to like invest tons of energy. And it was not obvious at the beginning that they would be able to restore the data at all, but through Herculean efforts managed to fix the problem after many hours.

1:12:25I don't remember. There's cortisol definitely spiked. Yes. I don't know if I mentioned this on Wednesday's show or not, but Rod Dreher had a really interesting newsletter this week. He's been writing a book working out this theory that we are in Weimar America. And obviously he's doing it from a Christian conservative perspective, but he had a line. He had just finished the manuscript this week and he had a line where he said, I have come to believe that we are one economic crisis away from truly being like in a Weimar, like the Weimar bubble popping and being what led Germany off the cliff. And this is, I know I get it.

1:13:06Like it's extreme and hyperbolic, But when you look at the way the economy is structured right now on this obvious bubble with a circular funding scheme where all the money is going from Microsoft and NVIDIA and then back, and it's just like so absurd, you can see how we're building the economy on all of these expectations about what AI is going to do. And the possibility that we don't get a gradual bubble pop, but we get like a severe, strong, instantaneous bubble pop. If that happens and you look at where trust in institutions is, trust in institutions was low before COVID. It is now much lower, just like across the board.

1:13:44We're on the precipice of something I think really dangerous. And I don't know if it's quite that bad, but I also don't think that's like an insane theory. I keep waiting for some of these billionaires to realize the historical forces here and to recognize that if they don't trim their own sales in a way that they could basically choose because of the level of power they exercise in our political system, then their sales are going to be trimmed in a much more aggressive way by a population that is just going to get to a point where, I mean, you think people are just going to accept, yeah, we're going to have 40 percent unemployment and good luck, you know.

1:14:20And, you know, good luck to your children who are graduating into a world where it's not at all obvious what types of jobs are even going to exist. There's at a certain point, even with all of our streaming and distractions and treats that we use to numb ourselves to daily realities, at a certain point, a society does reach a breaking point. And no pun intended. I was also I was watching Navarra Media did a great they do a lot of really good coverage on AI from a left perspective. And one of their segments they were talking about, look, even if you you look at the Industrial Revolution, because this is what people, you know, who are defenders of this trajectory will say, OK, well, yeah, Industrial Revolution.

1:15:05You know, ultimately it was it was great. It lifted GDP. We had all of this, you know, technological miracle, create middle class, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, that ignores that it took like hundreds of years from the and it also ignores that even that perspective of, OK, but eventually in the UK, you had a labor movement and in the US, you had a labor movement and you were able to establish these wage gains and these safety conditions and it built out the American middle class, etc., etc. It also ignores the rest of the world where there's an argument in a lot of the developing world. There was never a recovery from the Industrial Revolution created this permanent global exploited underclass.

1:15:44So, you know, the the idea that, OK, that that's the scenario scenario we're moving into as a best case scenario, even that should be really terrifying because I don't have to tell anybody here. But the labor movement is in the toilet. You know, the percentage of unionized workforce is very small. We are not organized as a society. We don't have a really functioning democracy in order for there to be effective, you know, democratic small g democratic pushback. So it's all, you know, it's all heading in a very disturbing direction without a major course change. yep um well speaking of the underclass there's a final story that i want to talk about which is the underclass of the jp morgan of the of this of the men that are sexually harassed at jp morgan uh let's let's take a look at this uh chris i wasn't gonna do this story you see the latest on this they unmasked who the person is and Oh, yes.

1:16:50Oh, yeah. We got it right here. Ryan, I've seen all the latest. Don't worry. I'm well up to speed. So, in the New York Post, bombshell sex harassment suit against Lorna Hajdini, J.P. Morgan branded complete fabrication as John Doe unmasked. And I'm going to ask for Emily's help here a little bit to read some of these excerpts of the claims made. Oh, I get to do it? You draw the short straw this time. Oh, no. Well, we don't we don't know how short the straw is. Nice. Nice. I don't do it. It's fine. Don't don't make me do it, Griffin. I don't want to do it. All right. So this is an allegation. This is from some of the reporting here inside.

1:17:33Hajdini allegedly made sexual advances on dough before this fellow was unmasked, which he rebuffed, insisting he wasn't interested. Quote, do you want to get promoted at year end or not? Hajdini warned him, according to the lawsuit. do you want a future of jp morgan it's that simple i don't know why you're fighting this hasdini then allegedly removed her shirt began fondling her breasts and racially insulted doe's wife remarking quote i bet your little asian fish head wife doesn't have these cannons the complaint reads cannons uh and then there's another one yeah yep uh i fucking own you i will make you pay do you think you're going to be in good standing if you don't have me in your corner She allegedly said, you really think management wants some brown boy Indian leading originations?

1:18:21If you don't fuck my brains out tonight, I'm going to sabotage your promotion. So that sounded really to me, that sounded not at all made up and very, very credible. Well, the most unbelievable part is that they wouldn't want an Indian guy leading origination. There's quite a lot of Indian Indians, Indian Americans in the banking industry. I don't think that that's like a real, you know, deal breaker from what I've seen. But so, OK, let me give a little I did follow the story closely because it was just hilarious. Because first you just got this Daily Mail piece with these crazy salacious details and very racialized.

1:19:00There's another part where she tells him, like, I'm glad your balls don't smell like curry. Allegedly, this is and create like really crazy things in here. Right. And he says that she's like performing sex acts on him and he's just crying the whole time and he hates it. And of course, everyone's OK. There's a birthday blowjob, I believe, was one of the for my little brown boy was one of the comments as well. And this is all coming from the Daily Mail. Apparently, these were details that were offered in a lawsuit that was sealed, but they somehow were able to get access to these details. So to begin with, we just knew it was this woman who's very beautiful and we didn't know what the man looked like.

1:19:38As the day went on, it became increasingly it became ultimately like reported by another news outlet that it appears this was all completely fabricated by this guy that he was fired and wanted to make some sort of sexual harassment claim. So that what he was probably hoping is that they would just settle and give him a few million dollars to make him go away. This is the man that we're supposed to believe was coerced into being this beautiful woman sex slave at JPMorgan Chase. I'm taking on this. He cried the entire time. There's a beautiful little boy behind those eyes. I don't know. There's something.

1:20:20What do you think was the wife? Also, she wasn't his boss. Oh, really? She wasn't even his boss. Oh, my God. That's a big detail that you fabricated and is checkable. And it's false. JP Morgan says they all wasn't able to give a promotion. On their own records. And the phone records didn't support the claims of, like, and also, it also seems like, like, everything that Emily read seems like it came out of the mind of some dude. Of a man. Yes. True. Yes. True. Yes. Very obviously, in fact. I mean, imagine being this guy. Imagine. See, now, now, see, from a man. I think a 17 year old wrote this.

1:21:05I think to think of powerful, you know, Wall Street woman with maybe an alcohol problem, you know, I feel like she could... You can imagine it. Listen, I've met forceful women before, so I was open to it. You've met Magamommies. The point that Griffin can imagine it is my point. That's true. Griffin's like, this sounds right. i could see this i could totally see this happening yeah i have lived experience um the crazy thing that i would say is imagine being this guy's wife and you invented these insults of your own wife for this lawsuit assuming he's even actually married like is fish head is that an actual insult that anyone has heard before yeah it's a racist asian really yeah Oh, I've never even heard this before.

1:21:59But the whole scenario is, I mean, I have to say, it's all very creative. I think maybe he, maybe banking is not his calling. Maybe there's some sort of like creative writing project that he should be engaged in instead. Yeah, he could write the next like Fifty Shades of Grey. Well, that's the other. I mean, I think there's a non-zero chance that he got caught somehow cheating. and he makes this up to be like no i was i didn't want to because part of the allegation here is that he was forced as a man to and i'm sorry we don't have to go like we don't have to get too ideological with this but just to say as a man he claims he was forced to perform oral sex on a woman now when that's the other way around it's often understandable because a woman feels like She could be physically dominated by a man and injured by an aggressive, hostile man.

1:22:54The odds that this man felt uncomfortable getting up and walking out of the room, especially when this wasn't his boss. I mean, is he making this up to be like, trust me, this was not consensual, sweetheart. I'm not totally willing to grant that he scored here, but that's possible. That's also very possible. I think anything's possible. I do think it's gross that Daily Mail just like ran with this without doing any. I mean, not that I'm surprised, but, you know, this woman, she comes out looking, you know, everybody like thinks she's cool and beautiful. But this is a private person. And now she's been associated with this like bizarre racist sex scandal thing that is going to be forever the top Google result for her.

1:23:39Whenever anyone Googles her name, they're going to be like, wait, what is this? So, you know, it's just like to casually drag someone's life into the spotlight without doing the most basic due diligence about, like Ryan said, is this even person, even his boss for any of this to be plausible whatsoever is really pretty disgusting. Yeah, and the Daily Mail is going to mess around and get defamation law changed because there is court document exclusions for defamation. In other words, as a journalist, if something is filed in a court document, then there is an exclusion. You're generally allowed to then report that X thing has been filed in court by a plaintiff or by a defendant.

1:24:22And then you're not liable for defamation, for repeating it because it's in public court records. If they managed to get it unsealed and then didn't do any checking whatsoever about whether it's even plausible, then you can imagine a court saying, well, you don't, this doesn't apply to you. And so then it chips away at the kind of speech protections that the press has. So come on, Daily Mail, like we're all in this together, man. Like, what are you doing? Don't abuse the privilege. Yeah. Yeah, and Daily Mail, I hope this doesn't prevent you from running the article about my experience with Anne Hathaway, where the same exact thing happened.

1:25:02Pilot in court. Griffin, are you okay? I just wanted to check in on how you're healing from that trauma. She demanded to be in the Catwoman outfit. It was a lot. You cried the whole time. Did she demand that you were in the Batman outfit? Yes, that's right. She made me be the penguin. All right, let's end there with some AMA questions, and then we'll get on out of here before we make any other allegations. All right, let's start with a fun one. This is for Emily and Ryan about the Scott Jennings debate. Yes. Emily and Ryan from HitsNoggle88. What are your favorite parts of the Scott Jennings debate?

1:25:46Anything surprise either of you about Scott's points or the way the crowd was on Ryan's side about Israel. That was the first thing Ryan and I talked about, I think, after the debate. There was, you know, the crowd clapped for, when Ryan said he believes that Israel should be sanctioned, the crowd clapped. Ryan, I think that was the first thing we talked about after we left. Yeah, that was the surprising part. I don't think anything he said or did was surprising, but that part, I did not expect that reaction from the American. from the young Americans for whatever. You hit him with the pretty clear-cut case of, you know, you were like, well, you're with Salem Media, and, you know, Brad Parscale is a literal foreign agent of Israel, and he said nothing in response to that.

1:26:30Right. I mean, he didn't rebut it. He didn't deny it. He said, what about the Gulf states was his rebuttal. Cutter. Yeah, he asked you about Cutter. What about Cutter? Big burn. Yes. Right, yeah. What can you say to that? Yeah. Money's good. I shouldn't say I was surprised, but he was really like there was a student who I think I don't want to misquote, but basically read off these connections between these alleged connections between Mahmoud Khalil and Hamas. and Scott basically was like, you're dead on, you're totally accurate, even after Ryan went through and just like, I think pretty credibly debunked all of these talking points that have been debunked over more than a year now about Mahmoud Khalil, which like you cannot like Mahmoud Khalil.

1:27:17You do also have to kind of deal with the facts. And Scott seemed to just kind of defer to the student's perspective on it and didn't really deal with too much of what Ryan said. I was also surprised that Scott referred to America as an idea or a nation of ideas, something like that, which is anathema in like MAGA circles. It's like a red flag. It's like, oh, you must be the vague if you start talking about how America is an idea. Because that means like if America is an idea, like MAGA people like to say America is a specific country. It is a place. It is not just an idea. So I was kind of surprised he went with that one.

1:27:53I see my antenna is not fine tuned enough to these right wing distinction. I missed that. But he was very gracious backstage, Ryan. He was kind. We talked about George Orwell. I'm sure you guys saw Adam Mockler rage baiting Jennings on CNN. I guess that was last night. Yeah, they were arguing about Iran and Mockler was going after him for like, I was like literally a baby. And you were arguing for another disastrous war, the Iraq war. And here you are still today now arguing for this particular war. and um and jennings really like kind of lost it in a way i've never seen he a mockler was they were sitting next to each other mockler's just like gesturing with his hands and jennings like get your fucking hand out of my face whoa live on cnn yeah live on cnn yeah we've got time we've got time let's take a look at war with us for 47 we all know that scott jennings is more than happy to defend a war with a country that starts with the letters ira that we are currently failing that is going to put us trillions and trillions of dollars more in debt.

1:28:55I was only a few years old while you were in the administration defending prior endless wars. Now this war is failing. Eight weeks is endless to you? Okay, you said it was going to be four to six weeks. You have the attention span of a net? I debated you on TV four to six weeks ago and you said we were weeks away from it. Now you're making condescending remarks because you can't defend the fact that this war is not going your way. Wait, one more time. Not going your way? Name one political concession. Name one political concession. Hey, hey, wait, wait. I'm not going everybody hang time honestly well i'm glad it didn't come to that okay you're we're having a debate you can respond to the points that he's making you name a political concession that we've got here a flashback to the work the war the skinheads had in my studio i would be mad who the fuck asked for geraldo he's on the set that's on the producers he's right there can't blame him for talking you invited him on the set i actually liked his contribution he's like i remember when we had skinheads on my trashy tabloid tv show this is one of my this is one of my deepest held beliefs about media is that we were a healthier country when you were watching skinheads get punched like on heraldo at 3 p.m like daytime television oprah's out here just like owning neo-nazis and clan members like that is jerry springer's having people just like beat the shit out of uh skinheads like that that may have been before the platforming questions of the new internet media yeah yeah well we had it all siloed right there was a place for this you know it's jenny jones like it's jerry springer it's yeah exactly so we had it we had that space carved down if that's what you're looking for now now they're being integrated into cnn panels but no i mean mockler did um Um, Mockler is very good at this particular thing.

1:30:41And clearly he really got under, uh, Denning's skin. I guess he's feeling the heat after, after that debate with Ryan, he's feeling a lot of pressure in general. Uh, Ryan, more hand movements. And Ryan, my only note for you as a producer, you got to bring up Israel earlier to get the crowd on your side. You brought Israel up like 50 minutes into the debate and then you finally caught steam, but there was only eight minutes left. You just got to start with it. You got to open it up. Just right out of the gates. I know this is a debate about immigration, but it's real. Yeah. Am I right? Just a quick one.

1:31:15Am I right? It's just an easy way to pump your numbers. Okay. So this next one comes from an audience member named Victoria. Victoria has been having trouble getting her AMA question read. So she emailed me personally to make sure that we got to read this one. So, Victoria, don't worry. I got you here. She asks, Ro Khanna has discussed running for president and I personally believe he can win. Has strong bipartisan cooperative record, a genuine MAGA babe Twitter account, liked my comment on one of his vids that he should run and can win, parentheses. But who would you float as a running mate for Ro?

1:31:56Well, they don't do, you know, people start doing fantasy baseball too early. We don't, nobody, I mean, because they don't pick their running mate until they are the nominee. And at that point, it kind of depends on the political environment in the moment. I know I've seen a lot of people push Massey and Kana to get together as like an independent ticket, which is, you know, and it should continue to be explored where the differences in agreements are, but there's, you know, the differences on domestic policy are, vast. Yeah. It's hard for me to imagine how that would work. I don't know. What do you think, Crystal?

1:32:42I don't know. You got to see who's running. You got to think about what his weaknesses would be. It's like you said, it's a little too early for me to start mixing and matching like that. I've seen people on Twitter doing this like this one with that one and AOC with Chris Van Hollen or whatever. And I just I don't know. I'm not ready to go there. I would definitely vote for that to get Conor Plattner. That would be amazing. You can imagine. So let's say he wins the Senate race, the presidential nomination. He would have been at that point a senator for a year and a half. Like the Obama track.

1:33:16You can imagine him being a VP pick, actually. Oh, OK. Interesting. In the mix. I bet he'd be on the short list. And our final question comes from Colin Clark. Breaking points. Do you have any book recommendations about Chinese history and the modern day China zeitgeist. So many countries around the world, like Iran, spend so much time studying American culture and history to understand our thinking, to deal with us diplomatically and in business. But Asia, really anything east of Moscow, is nearly ignored in American education. I would have to agree, Colin, if you go to Barnes and Nobles and you look at the country sections, that China section, pretty thin.

1:33:59Ryan gave me a good recommendation. the Rush Doshi book a long time ago. Yeah, that was interesting. It's pretty hawkish, but it's a sharp... There's a lot of history. The sharp look into it. There's a new Xi biography by that Wall Street Journal reporter. Yes, and a podcast series around... Oh, the podcast series was done by The Economist. That's an interesting one. The Xi podcast series from The Economist. What was that biography? Anything good on Mal? any good Mao books you got Ryan I've got lots of great Mao books massive biography of him that famous massive biography mmhmm sometimes I find when I'm looking at books either about you know Lennon or party of one party of one right that's the she biography mmhmm I read breakneck by Dan Wang recently, which was, that was, that was pretty interesting.

1:35:02I mean, again, it's somewhat of a right-leaning perspective, but dug into the details of just how quickly they were able to develop and what the approach was that worked for them. I found it, I found it to be interesting. And then I read the New China Playbook. Oh, I read that one too. Yeah. What'd you think of that? I think Arnaud, I think Arnaud recommended that one to me. I think, yes, he, that is, that's where I found that one. Yeah, yeah. I have someone to get y 'all started for those right there and that's going to do it for us for this Friday show Ryan, Emily, Crystal thank you so much for joining today anything else before we set sail?

1:35:44Stay safe out there, J.P. Morgan Stay safe out there in the minds of J.P. Morgan Thanks We should have gotten our little brown boy Sager on to react to it You know, I was thinking about making a joke in that direction the whole time. And I was like, nope, not doing that. Nope, don't do it. Don't do it. You're at the end where hopefully people have turned it off by now. All right. Thank you so much. And we'll see you Monday. Bye-bye.

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