In short
The episode argues the U.S. and Iran are on the verge of resuming war within 48 hours, driven by failed negotiations and escalating “escalation trap” dynamics; it links the conflict to rising energy prices, shortages, and political fallout in the U.S.
Guests
No guest is clearly identified in the transcript. Hosts are Sagar and Crystal.
Guest backgrounds
Not applicable (no guest details provided).
Key claims
- Trump’s threats are framed as theater, but Tehran expects an attack soon.
- The U.S. and Israel/neocons are pushing renewed strikes; Lindsey Graham calls for hitting Iran’s energy infrastructure.
- Negotiation demands are mutually incompatible (U.S. reparations/uranium transfer/no sanctions relief vs. Iran’s sanctions relief/asset release/sovereignty over Hormuz).
- Economic pain is emphasized: gas prices, travel pullbacks, and “short-term pain” rhetoric doesn’t match voters’ lived costs.
Notable examples
- Drone strike near a UAE nuclear power plant; OSINT Defender reports MQ-9 Reaper drones downed by Houthis.
- Trump’s “I don’t think about America’s financial situation” comments and voter backlash.
- AutoZone memo warning of a major lubricating fluids shortage; potential motor-oil rationing and higher maintenance costs.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOTrump's Threats Against Iran
2:39 to 5:12
Explore Trump's latest threats towards Iran and implications for conflict.
“Have an amazing show for everybody today.”
Economic Implications of Conflict
5:12 to 6:18
Discuss the economic fallout of the rising tensions with Iran.
“That in turn was in itself admission that the war had failed, which was an admission that the threats of war in January had already failed.”
Calls for Military Action
6:18 to 7:41
Examine calls from officials for renewed military action against Iran.
“People are really going to be interacting with those gas prices, probably more so than normal.”
Analysis of Military Strategy
7:41 to 9:30
Analyze the strategic implications of military actions and their timeline.
“Lindsey Graham made the rounds on the Sunday shows yesterday.”
Iran's Stance on U.S. Demands
15:22 to 21:04
Explore the conflicting demands between Iran and the U.S. and the challenges in negotiations.
“and why any American, how strong Washington's demands are, and why Iran, while it has any fight left in it whatsoever, cannot agree to this.”
Trump's Approach to Foreign Policy
21:04 to 25:12
Discuss Trump's views on military action and the implications of his decisions.
“Like, oh, this time we're going to get him.”
Trump on American Financial Concerns
27:36 to 28:00
Analyze Trump's candid remarks about prioritizing nuclear issues over financial stability.
“And here you have Trump being confronted with his infamous, I don't think about Americans, financial stability at all.”
Iran's Nuclear Threat: A Singular Focus
28:00 to 28:30
Discussion on the priority of preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons over domestic financial concerns.
“The only thing that matters that I'm talking about Iran, they can't have a nuclear weapon.”
Economic Discontent Among Trump Voters
28:30 to 29:40
Exploring the struggles of Trump voters with rising costs and their disappointments.
“When people hear me say it, everybody agrees.”
The Disconnect Between Stock Markets and Everyday Life
29:40 to 31:10
Analyzing how the stock market's success does not reflect the reality of many Americans' financial struggles.
“There are more people working right now in the United States of America than at any point ever in the history of our country.”
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A Disillusioned Trump Supporter Speaks Out
31:10 to 33:10
Hearing a former Trump voter's regret and feelings of betrayal regarding his presidency.
“And so when you tell them that the stock market is higher, they're like, yeah, we know because it's being built off the backs of our labor, right?”
Reflections on Broken Promises and Historical Parallels
33:10 to 35:10
Discussion on the implications of Trump's presidency and the historical comparisons made by his supporters.
“Hard for me to say this, but I think if I can open up about it in public that it might help others.”
The Impact of War on Economic Perspectives
35:10 to 39:30
Exploring how ongoing conflicts have changed the economic outlook for various demographics.
“Now, it seems like he had some questions going into it.”
The Trump Administration's Legacy: Incompetence and Corruption
39:30 to 42:00
Critique of the incompetence and corruption during Trump's presidency and its lasting effects.
“glyphosate and they just have to sit there and eat a bowl of shit and go against a lot of the things that they run.”
Economic Challenges and Political Accountability
43:32 to 44:12
Discussing Speaker Mike Johnson's comments on the economy and the Strait of Hormuz.
“Output is for informational purposes only and is not an investment recommendation or advice.”
Impacts of War on Economic Issues
44:13 to 45:59
Exploring how the Iran war and related issues affect gas prices and the economy.
“this war that you are complicit in, Mike Johnson, because you guys in Congress want nothing to do with stopping this or having any say or control or power over putting our nation and our troops at risk?”
Supply Shortages and Economic Strain
46:00 to 48:26
Examining supply shortages in lubricating fluids and the rising costs of maintenance.
“And protect a bunch of criminal oligarchs from having to come and testify before Congress about their crimes.”
Grocery Prices and Consumption Shifts
48:27 to 50:34
Analyzing the surge in grocery prices and changing consumer habits.
“And so a record number of people are actually upside down on their car loan right now.”
Trump's Economic Logic in Today’s Crisis
50:35 to 53:10
Discussing Trump’s perception of the economy and its impact on voters.
“if you make less than a million dollars a year, you will feel it.”
Global Energy Crisis and Its Local Impact
53:11 to 54:36
Understanding the global energy crisis and its ramifications for countries like India.
“Put B7 up on the screen because these are things that could be coming to your neighborhood.”
Famine Warnings in Africa
54:37 to 56:00
Discussing impending famine warnings in Africa amid rising global tensions.
“Don't purchase precious metals because we need to keep our store of them, et cetera.”
Economic Pressures in Global Markets
56:00 to 56:49
Listeners will learn about the economic challenges faced by populous countries and Africa's looming famine.
“I mean, this is the world's most populous country, so it's definitely something you have to pay attention to.”
Transcript
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2:39Good morning, everybody. Happy Monday. Have an amazing show for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal? Indeed we do. Trump making new threats against Iran. Also, we've got a look at the economic fallout. Time to start hoarding motor oil, apparently, because there's a dire situation developing there. Shortages imminent. Thomas Massey facing the fight of his life, an onslaught. It's now the most expensive congressional race in history as the Israel lobby pours cash into that race to try to defeat him. We will preview that. We're also taking a look at new bogus intel that's being laundered on Cuba to try to create a pretext for an invasion.
3:15Trump made thousands of trades as president, like more than 3 ,000 stock trades, including for companies like, oh, I don't know, Palantir, NVIDIA, some top names that you have certainly heard about, and that he has certainly been influential in pushing. And we've got a few other corruption stories here as well, including Kash Patel with a VIP snorkeling trip at Pearl Harbor, of all places. So just incredible things happening there. You or I, they actually banned swimsuits at Pearl Harbor, which I massively support. Don't get me wrong, but apparently not for Kash Patel. Now, what I love are all the other government officials who are like, guys, I snorkeled at Pearl Harbor years ago.
3:53I'm like, oh, okay, so apparently this has been a secret thing that's been going on for quite some time. Mr. Cash got literally escorted by Navy SEAL. I'm not sure why these types of things make me so hot, but I think every American should be disgusted by this irreverence, the display of what they decide to do not only with our tax dollars but in which they treat everyone. So there you go. Thank you to everybody. If you are watching this on YouTube, please hit subscribe to our YouTube channel. And if you're listening to this podcast, please share an episode with a friend. It really helps other people find the show.
4:26But as Crystal said, we're going to go ahead and start with the war with Iran. Let's put A1 up there on the screen. So Donald Trump's latest Truth Social post for Iran. The clock is ticking. They better get moving fast or there won't be anything left of them. Time is of the essence. This is paired actually with some new analysis from Trita Parsi. Let's go ahead and put this up here on the screen, which he released late last night. He said, The Middle East is once again teetering on the brink as Trump appears to reignite war with Iran. While Trump's threats of war may be theater designed to face Tehran into submission, Tehran expects the U.S.
5:04to attack it within the next 48 hours. We should recognize that restarting the war amounts to an admission that the previous escalatory gambit has failed. That in turn was in itself admission that the war had failed, which was an admission that the threats of war in January had already failed. As I argued before, this relentless search for an escalatory silver bullet capable of bringing Iran to its knees is not unique to Trump and has become a defining pathology of American Iran policy for decades. I just think it's incredibly well said. Succinct summarizes everything. But the top line news there from Trita Parsi is that his sources in Tehran believe that the war will restart within the next 48 hours.
5:43It does seem to fit with all of this clock is ticking, some of these exchanges of negotiations, all of which have failed. And we'll get into some of the details. But it does seem basically inevitable at this point. The ceasefire has now been longer than the actual war itself. Nothing has been accomplished. The amount of oil remains at a trickle. Iran still retains control of the Strait of Hormuz. The global oil markets remain disastrous. And we here in the United States today, I actually think this weekend will be the weekend where a lot of Americans wake up. It's Memorial Day weekend. It's probably the first time they're going to be on the road for several hours.
6:23People are really going to be interacting with those gas prices, probably more so than normal. And then the sticker shock of just$4.50 a gallon nationally, or if you live in California, well over$6, I think that's going to hit home. And also, as people I've been seeing already tweets, a lot of viral ones, people who are booking flights for summer travel, we're like, oh, my God, right? They're like, not doing that again anytime soon. So you couple those two things together, I actually think this weekend could be a turning point. I think you could be right about that. And for many millions of Americans, it's really already hit home where, you know, they were already struggling.
6:59And now just to fill up a tank of gas, be able to get to work is becoming an impossibility. We're already seeing the way that people at the lower end of the income scale have had to cut back. Of course, the wealthy will be unaffected because to them the increase in gas prices is really like, you know, it's barely a blip on the radar. And Trump, those are the people that Trump is talking to. And those are the people that Trump is thinking about more on that in the economic section. section. But I fear that you're correct about this because the current situation with the Strait of Hormuz closed really is an unsustainable situation for the U.S.
7:32and truly for the globe. That economic noose is only going to continue to tighten. And then you've got the Israelis and the neocons here in the U.S. who are certainly pushing for a return to hostilities. Lindsey Graham made the rounds on the Sunday shows yesterday. This is A3. Let's take a listen to his push for renewed airstrikes. The status quo is hurting us all. The longer the strait is closed, the more we try to pursue a deal that never happens, the stronger Iran gets. So according my analysis is there's nothing to suggest that the people in charge now are any different in terms of the regime's goal to terrorize the world, destroy Israel, come after us.
8:13So what do you do next? You weaken them further. What President Trump has done has been amazing militarily, but there's still more targets to be had. And there's things we can do to hurt their - The energy infrastructure is their soft underbelly. If you go back to the fight, I'd put energy on top of the list. I want to couple that with A7, if we can put this up on the screen, which is that Trump and Bibi had a call yesterday, and there was also a security meeting inside of Israel. And if you think about the timing on all of this saga, of course, Trump just back from this trip to China, it would make sense that he wanted to sort of pause a return to hostilities until he got through that particular trip.
8:53If there were ongoing hot hostilities during his trip to China, that could be a little bit awkward, a little uncomfortable, may undermine some of the very minimal deals that he was able to do there. I mean, he really returned with basically nothing anyway. But you can imagine why this timing would make some sense and why also the reality is setting in. You know, he was fed a bunch of bullshit that he chose to believe from the from FDD and other sources of, oh, if we just blockade their blockade, then within days, this is what they were truly selling. Within days, Iran's whole economy will collapse and their oil wells are going to explode.
9:27Remember when Trump said that it has to be setting in now. OK, that plan is not going to work out. Not that Iran isn't suffering and that there isn't economic damage, but they are able to withstand that a lot longer, frankly, than we can because their paid tolerance is much, much higher. So the logic is very likely within the administration to be that that was offered by Lindsey Graham or that that Emily and I covered last week was offered by Eric Erickson. He said the only way out is through. We can't stay in this position, so we have to just go back one more bombing campaign. Maybe we have to do that ground invasion.
10:00Those are the sorts of things that are being contemplated right now. Look, unfortunately, there is a relative inevitability to this thing. He either surrenders or he escalates all the way. He doesn't want to do either, and so he's going to continue. This is where Robert Pape's analysis of the escalation trap is so important. And remember, we always say this, is that we always think of history in terms of a linear fashion. No, it takes a long—if you go and you read the history of the Second World War, It took two years before the United States was even involved. There's a lot of stuff that happened.
10:34There were multi-month periods where literally nothing happened. But we don't think about that in retrospect. We were in a short pause. Actually, even in the long sweep of history, 30-something days, it's really nothing. But the inevitability of where things must end up, it really was decided on the very day that the war itself was launched. Can we put A4 up here on the screen? This is from the latest military action that took place. And this is very interesting, by the way. Drone strikes near UAE nuclear power plant. As U.S. and Iran signal, they are prepared to resume the war. But here's kind of what's interesting.
11:12A drone strike sparked a fire on the edge of the sole nuclear power plant in the UAE on Sunday in what the authorities called an unprovoked terrorist attack. No one was blamed, but it highlighted the risk of renewed war. Now, the UAE had previously said that the strikes came from the West. So you're like, oh, OK, well, let's take a look at a map. There's a lot of countries to the West of the UAE. Who could they be? And, I mean, the crazy thing is it could be a variety of different countries. It could be Saudi Arabia because they're currently in some sort of a dust-up. Could be Israel potentially wanting to restart the war or to pressure them.
11:50It could also, I guess theoretically it could be Iran from some sleeper drone platform or something, or maybe it flew in a different direction. But it just highlights the 40th order chaos that has come now as a result of the war. The UAE has left OPEC. Oh my God, I was just reading yesterday. The effect on the Qatari economy from the war hasn't been nearly as publicized because we've all been focused on oil. The natural gas holdup of all of that LNG, some 20 % of the world's LNG just held up, and then the dramatic reduction in the Ras Lafon gas field, I mean, that is already cascading across the global economy.
12:30But they are having to change multi-year projections for their own investments and their economy. Like, this could be an extinction event if it continues for the Qatari economy. You may literally see, just like with the First World War, you may go into a war which you expect to be 70 days, a nice little war, which is what they originally thought it would be, and you may literally watch the destruction of all of these different houses and monarchies. And what we're basically watching in all of this is the US and even Iran, to a certain extent, who are in a level of limbo where they both overestimate their relative strength.
13:08We've talked a little bit about this, and this is not to say that Iran is not in a very, very strong position. But they can still be eliminated if the full force of the military is there. This is part of what tightens the escalation trap.
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15:38So for example, here's Washington's. There will be no payment of reparations or compensation by the U.S. There will be a removal and transfer of 400 kilograms of enriched uranium from Iran to the U.S. only one Iranian nuclear facility will remain operational. There will be no release of even 25 % of Iran's frozen assets, a halt to the war on all fronts contingent on completing negotiations first. And then Iran has its own preconditions, which are the war must end on all fronts, a lifting of all sanctions, a release of all assets, a compensation for war demands, and U.S. recognition of Iran's sovereignty over the Strait of Hormuz.
16:13There is just no, there's no universe in which this even can come together. And that's despite all of the rhetoric. So even though both, you know, Iran is stronger in a strategic position, but it did definitely take some of a pounding, not nearly as much as we were originally told. The U.S. has expended, God only knows, tens of billions probably. I would say what the real cost of the war is, without even fuel and the amount that we've all paid, probably closer to 60 to 70 billion, And even at this point, considering all the carrier strike groups, all the munitions, that doesn't even mention all of the lost production timeline, et cetera.
16:50But when I see, though, that for them, Trump, because of his image and really of the blow that this has already given to the global empire, everything just seems to be pointing in that direction where they want to restart. Yeah, absolutely. And I think the situation with the UAE and this drone strike, which the drones came over the UAE's border with Saudi Arabia. That's where they came from. Now, Saudis say, oh, it wasn't us. But the UAE already thought that the Saudis were behind some strikes on their infrastructure, particularly at Fujairah. The Saudis think the UAE has been behind some strikes on their territory with regard to their critical oil energy infrastructure.
17:27And the fact that you have them messing around, you got Israel doing God knows what and trying to foment God knows what makes the whole thing even more volatile because you have so many more players with other agendas involved than just the U.S. and Israel and Iran. So that's part of what makes the situation so incredibly dangerous. But, I mean, just to put one other piece of information that we've got here, put A8 up on the screen of potentially kinetic action, this is looking fairly solid at this point. According to open source intelligence monitor OSINT Defender, wreckage visible in circulating photos and videos shows an MQ-9 drone, Reaper drone, having been hit and struck by the Houthis in Yemen.
18:15They each are worth approximately$30 million, according to DropSite here. And they're saying that, you know, there have been at least 24 of those downed over Iran, about 20 by the Houthis in Yemen. So yet another one of those being taken out, it appears, based on what we can tell from open source intelligence monitoring. But, you know, the logic of this thing seems to only go in one direction, because the saga was just putting up there the demands from the Iranians and the demands from the U.S. The U.S. demands are just frankly delusional. You know, we lost this war. We lost it strategically, not to say we couldn't go back in and, you know, pound the hell out of the Iranians again if we want to.
18:53But in terms of accomplishing our strategic objectives, we totally and completely failed. They emerged with some, you know, some cards, to use the Trumpian terminology, that they did not have in the past that we are not going to be able to take away. And so the fact that you have provisions in there that are more aggressive than what was being contemplated before this war is just delusional. It's insane. They're going to ship their Uriah uranium to the U.S.? That's one of the supposed provisions that we're pushing here. We're saying absolutely no sanctions relief. We're not going to unfreeze your assets.
19:26That's going to be a hard no from the Iranians. So as much as there's been, you know, some kind of dialogue and back and forth and potential negotiations, you can see from the U.S. positions that Trump is not willing to take the ego hit and humiliation and go out and try to sell this thing that would be required. I thought he made a very revealing comment last week to Sean Hannity when he said, like, well, you know, maybe I don't care. I'm paraphrasing, obviously. I don't care actually that much about the nuclear dust, but I kind of promise this thing. The fake news media is going to be all over me if I don't get it.
19:56So I guess I'm committed to it. There's a lot of truth to that. He has backed himself into a corner now where even though he is the bullshit artist in chief, he doesn't even think he could sell what he could get at the negotiating table right now as a win. The current situation, the economic news tightening, the status quo, that is not sustainable. That was something that some people had hoped. I think Joe Kent kind of hoped like maybe we can just kind of muddle through and not come to an official deal, but hope that we can ride this thing out. That is not looking like it's sustainable. And you've got all these neocons in his ear and the Israelis pushing like, let's go back in.
20:33One more bombing campaign. One more ground invasion. Let's do something so you can establish a win. And I fear, I fear that that logic is going to be compelling to him. It's very LBJ-esque. LBJ, I'm not going to be the first president to ever lose a damn war. You would say it over and over again in the situation room. And the thing that's always comforting about bombs and escalation is that there's a theoretical payoff. Whereas you know what the actual outcome will be. That's why it takes genuine courage to say, this is madness. We can't keep doing this anymore. Like that's heroism. What's cowardly is what every president did in Afghanistan.
21:06Like, oh, this time we're going to get him. This time we'll do this surge. This time we'll continue to go forward. You know, first you go from 3 ,000 advisors to 6 ,000. That didn't do the jobs. You need 10 ,000, you need 100 ,000. Oh, if we escalate the bombing and then this, you know, Operation Rolling Thunder, that will break the back of the Vietnamese. You can see how easy that is to fall for because these generals, you know, they've got their uniforms. You've got this vast array of empire at your disposal. That's the easy option to always go down. The check on that is supposed to be politics.
21:37Well, and Trump loves dropping those bombs. He loves the visuals of it. He feels powerful. He feels like a man. He wants Pete Hegseth to put together a highlight reel for him, a two-minute highlight reel for him to consume, to feel like he's a big, strong, tough, powerful guy. He's sort of addicted to that stuff is the other dangerous thing here. Totally. And I don't think he's the first president to be that way, but I do think he takes it, obviously, to another level. He takes it to the nth degree. Yeah. There's an element of ego – there's an egomaniacal element of this which is inherent to, like, all of them.
22:06And I also think as his polls drop, what is the what is the, you know, not only did his polls drop, do they even have a bill? Like if the Republicans were going to win the midterms, what are they going to do? They don't even bother telling you like they literally don't even tell you. Here's what we're going to do with the presidency and the House and the Senate. There's no it's not even about vision. There's no plan whatsoever. It's basically just like we will continue to be Trump's slaves like here in the House. You're like, oh, OK, well, you know, it doesn't seem all that different from right now.
22:35That doesn't seem to be going well. But they have the control of the global empire, which is they have total authority. And now, especially with Congress having given up even its checks on war and peace, I mean, this is as close to a king as you will ever see, right? And let's put A7 up there on the screen. Here is Netanyahu apparently speaking with Trump amid reports that Israel and the U.S. are preparing Iran strike. Remember this. The Israeli media reports this like every week about preparing for Iran strikes. But, you know, you definitely do need to treat it seriously. The PM will convene a limited security cabinet, the drone strikes on the UAE nuclear station, and Iranian media saying that the U.S.
23:14has offered no concrete concessions and demands a shutdown of all but one nuclear facility. So there have been talks back and forth, phone calls with Prime Minister Netanyahu and with Trump. When I talked about that convenience element and how easy they will sell you a vision, that's what Netanyahu is doing right now. He's all up in his ear. He's like, hey, we can do this. All we got to do is restart. All we got to do is take out these nuclear power plants or all we got to do is take out this energy infrastructure. And that one will finally drive them to the negotiating table. So I don't know.
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23:46In terms of what's breaking right now, I saw a little bit of news. Tasmin had reported that maybe the U.S. would waive oil sanctions as we continue to go forward with some sort of potential negotiation. Just always keep in mind, like these people are always fading and bluffing. And Trump has said probably every week of the war that the war will be over in just a few weeks. There also have been multiple instances where he's used diplomacy as a cover. And there's also been multiple instances where it looked like the war was about to restart. Like, remember the infamous, you know, we will wipe out their civilization before he eventually blanks.
24:21So we don't know what is going to happen. It is noteworthy at the very least to me that they are saying right now they expect the war to continue in the next 48 hours, even though there's some, you know, oh, the U.S. has floated this viewing sanctions, temporary lifting of sanctions on Iranian oil, which they actually did beforehand as well. So they could go back in some sort of a reversal as well. I really don't know. Well, and it's also Monday morning, which means Trump may be itching to manipulate the markets. We've got right now, you know, stock futures are down. Oil is up. The U.S. bond rates have been going up as well, which is certainly something that he pays a lot of attention to.
24:59So don't be surprised if you get some new Axios report or whatever. Well, they're close to a deal. I did just see a report on Harats that Iran submitted some response to the U.S. proposal. But we just showed you how far apart they are. So even if the Iranians are continuing to submit their responses, it hasn't changed from their position of we have won and we plan to consolidate our gains on the battlefield in terms of whatever this negotiation is. And it just doesn't seem like we're anywhere close to actually coming to terms on a deal. Yeah, well said. All right, let's move over to econ. Apple Vacations, where your story starts.
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27:48Let's take a listen. You can imagine Democrats and political pundits jumped all over this statement that you made the other day. You were asked when you were leaving. What extent are American financial destinations motivating you to make a deal? Not even a little bit. The only thing that matters that I'm talking about Iran, they can't have a nuclear weapon. I don't think about American financial situation. I don't think about anybody. I think about one thing. You cannot let Iran have a nuclear weapon. That's all. That's right. That's a perfect statement. I'd make it again. You can imagine how many people stop the soundbite at, I don't think, about America's financial situation.
28:29So what's your response to that frame? It's very simple. When people hear me say it, everybody agrees. Short-term pain. It's going to be short-term pain. But the pain is much less than people thought. It's much less than people thought. I'm sure that's very comforting at the pump whenever you're paying$3, or sorry,$4.50 a gallon. You also have this, Trump being confronted with a three-time of his voter saying that he's struggling financially. Trump says, I'm disappointed in the voter. Let's take a listen. When you hear Trump voters, Alex says, I voted for you three times. He just he can't handle the costs.
29:08And he's not for this foreign conflict. I hate it. He's not for the foreign conflict. But Roy in Pennsylvania, he's a retired farmer. He can't handle the fuel going up. And he's just he says he's disappointed very fast. And so look, disappointed. I'm just talking to him. Roy, Alex, we got a problem. We just hit the highest stock market price ever, by the way, then when I went in. Now, again, with the war, it's higher than it was when I went in. Think of that. I agree. The 401ks at their all-time high. There are more people working right now in the United States of America than at any point ever in the history of our country.
29:49A.K.A. the Dow just hit 50 ,000. Quit your bitching, Roy and Alex. Incredible. So look, is it technically true? Yeah, it definitely is. So one year, literally a year, it's been a rip-roaring year for the S &P. It's up by 25%. Now, what percent of people even have a 401k? Only about 50 or 60, actually. If you're a farmer, you're self-employed, unlikely to be. I was about to say, so if you are a self-employed farmer, the likelihood, statistically, that you are being responsible and saving for retirement, I wouldn't say zero, but it's pretty low. And if you are a contract worker and some of the younger, ironically, actually, because this was the first election, if I recall, where there was like a flippening, right, where people making over$100 ,000 a year voted for Kamala and people under$100 ,000 voted for Trump.
30:35Well, people who are making over 100 are vastly more likely not only to own stocks but to have 401ks or traditional W-2 style job with matching percent. While people making under 100 are much more likely to be either in the self-employed category or somebody who's like picking up a gig worker or ships, waiters, etc. The least likely demographic to actually have a 401k and have any exposure to the stock market. For them, they don't care about the stock market. So half of the nation of U.S. workers don't even have a 401k and probably don't own any stock at all. And so when you tell them that the stock market is higher, they're like, yeah, we know because it's being built off the backs of our labor, right?
31:20And so it's not really the point I think that Trump wants to make. And, I mean, every single president falls victim to the Dow trap. I remember Obama saying it in 12. Biden said it his whole presidency. And it's like, how can you have lived through the 2020 to 2024 elections where, yes, the market was up dramatically and you had a record number of people say this economy is not working? Like, when are people going to learn? I just don't get it. Yeah. Also, he says this thing, oh, it's going to be short term pain for long term gain. And how far are we? How long has this war been going on for a while now?
31:57And if you're someone, if you're a farmer, for example, and you've got to pay for fertilizer and you've got to pay for diesel and you've got all these costs that are massive at the critical time in your year, the short term has become very significant for you. So, you know, I think the time horizon for a billionaire who can wait out, you know, some sort of economic crash and then swoop in and buy up distressed assets and profit off of it over on the on the back end, which is what all these people do. Very different from an ordinary person, certainly a farmer, again, who's in planting season and trying to make this whole thing work.
32:36Very different time horizons. So for people who are struggling and were already struggling, by the way, because Trump's economy has sucked because of his own decision making. This has been already a long term. This does not feel like short term pain. And there's no end in sight. So the whole framing of this is I don't think it's going to land, let's just say. Let me go ahead and play for you another disappointed Trump voter who called into C-SPAN and explained, you know, explained his whole thought process and how he feels like a fool for having bought into the rhetoric to begin with. This is fairly powerful.
33:12Let's take a listen to B5. Hard for me to say this, but I think if I can open up about it in public that it might help others. I wanted to believe Trump was the real deal for a long time, even though I had doubts because I knew enough about his business history to think otherwise. But now I regret my support for him and I should have known better. he's making it plain as day he's a con man a liar doesn't keep his promises he's in office all for himself and he doesn't even try to hide his corruption anymore so unless you get all your information from what I call the right wing propaganda for profit disinformation media industrial complex he's the worst president we've ever had and he's the most corrupt president we've ever had.
34:07I know it's hard. It took me a while to be able to say that. Very difficult when you commit yourself to believing in somebody. I don't think it's one thing. It's been a cumulative process and it's gotten so blatant now and he's just literally the things he's, you know, he's going to lower prices on day one. He was going to do this on day one. Only he could fix all this stuff. and uh now i understand how somebody like adolf hitler was able to brainwash millions of people i never thought i'd see that again in my lifetime but but it's happened right i thought we got past that but we don't learn from history but um i just hope uh the best we got to slow him down make him accountable any way we can right now the only weapon is to vote for as many democrats whether you like them or not.
34:58Just get some balance back into our system of checks and balances. And he did say at another point during that, that he was a three-time Trump voter. Like, this is someone who voted for Trump every single time. Now, it seems like he had some questions going into it. He wasn't 100 % sure, but he wanted to believe in Trump. He wanted to believe in the promises. And now he's like, he's making some pretty impressive comparisons there. I just love the median American voter who can vote for Trump three times and then say he compares him to Adolf Hitler. And you got to work for the vice president. The vice president went the other direction.
35:32OK, there you go. You know, not to shame or anything, but it is one of those things where some of these people I mean, we talked about IVF now, for example. Right. Remember, there's hundreds of thousands of people. Statistically, 100 ,000 people at the very minimum who voted for Trump because of IVF. Yeah, it's like, dude, what were you doing? Like, come on. There are to me, there's a difference between broken promises, which had a realistic chance of actually happening. And then people who fall straight up for campaign rhetoric. I would put the Iran category in the most extreme in terms of the opposite of what they ran on.
36:10I probably, you know, the single biggest reversal genuinely of everything, because it's really it's not just about Trump. It's actually about all of the people who work for him, many of whom were even on this show. Stephen Miller. No. Kamala will send your sons and daughters to die in Iran. It was unambiguous. And now he's not only he's one of the biggest cheerleaders. I know. Internally, he's he's pushing this thing. One of the biggest hawks. So, no, I mean, the guy now is a total con man. It's like obvious to see if you open your eyes. There was an element of Trump's, his like, you know, the con man behavior and all of that where the honesty about his unscrupulousness was very attractive.
36:49I think for a lot of his original supporters, like remember when they would call him out, like Jeb would call him out and be like, you donated to Hillary. And he's like, I donated to you too. I donate to all of you because you're all corrupt. Like there's something about that, that people were like, wow, you got this straight talker, like somebody who calls it like it is. and that was like a shock to the system because it was. It actually exposed like a lot of their bipartisan corruption. But I think this time around, the sole focus of the campaign was this never would have happened if I were president.
37:19And I actually think it's an extremely compelling argument. He was like, look, the Ukraine war and the Gaza war never would have happened if I were president. Obviously, it's not really true, like in a sense, but it's very attractive. And the sole focus of the campaign was I'm going to focus on inflation and we're not going to have any of these stupid foreign conflicts because I'm in power and I have better judgment. And that was another big contrast, I think, of the 24 campaign was you had the eggheads like the Jake Sullivans and supposedly these great neoliberal thinkers who were supposed to restore a sense of normalcy to our country.
37:53And they didn't. It was a total failure. Like we should not obfuscate their failure of leadership of this country from COVID all the way through of the international situation, etc. And so that actually made it the reason why people were willing to go with a Trump and RFK Jr., a Kash Patel, any of these people was it was a complete shock to the system. They're like, look, we do need to have some sort of like revolutionary destruction, I think, of these institutions, which, again, I think is very attractive. Remember Doge? How many guys were like obsessed with Doge? It was a cultural phenomenon you can't deny.
38:27I think, though, what became clear was very soon is that the revolutionary destruction, and I've talked with Richard Hanenia about this because this is his theory of populism. He believes all populism eventually denigrates to kakistocracy, which is basically like stealing. And that's really what became clear. Kakistocracy is like rule by the dumbest. Right, rule by the dumbest, and it also is—no, sorry, I'm getting confused also with plutocracy. With kleptocracy. And kleptocracy. You put all this together. We can pick any of them with these people, yeah. The point is really just that in the beginnings, I would say that in the first 35 days or so, you were like, wow, you have a sheer amount of incompetence, of stupidity, of pillaging, of this being done at Elon's own behest.
39:05And people were like, OK, I can get over that as long as we're going to get to this. And then that one fails and then the next one fails. And the level of incompetence and then the sole focus on Trump himself on either selling pardons out of the Oval or total allegiance, which we're going to get to with Thomas Massey. it becomes clearer by the day that it's only just about Trump and has nothing to do with any of the milieu which he even ran on, right? Like Maha is willing to debase themselves with glyphosate and they just have to sit there and eat a bowl of shit and go against a lot of the things that they run.
39:39Many of the anti-war people who I knew personally in the administration are now shilling for the war. You're like, I mean, my God. But as they put it, they're like, well, what are we supposed to do? There's, well, he's the president. Like he made this. And you're like, yeah, I mean, that's technically true. Only Joe Kent had the courage to say, I'm out. Like I can't do this anymore. But I think that on so many different fronts, you have watched, you know, issues where even many of us agreed. It was a total, complete, incompetent shit show, turned the whole country against immigration is probably the prime example.
40:13And then you also had tariffs, actually another one. I don't think Americans will support tariffs for like 50 years after this. There's going to be an inflation scarring as a result of tariffs, which, by the way, I think is a disaster because I think we need tariffs. But instead, everyone's going to be against tariffs. Everyone's going to be for basically unlimited immigration for the next 10 years at the very minimum. And there's a lot of issues like that, which he poisoned the well on. And then on war especially, like going against that and getting our country into this quagmire, I think he put all that stuff together.
40:42And it breaks. It really breaks a lot of people. And I've seen it. I've seen it with a lot of voters and all those people who are really enthused and excited to vote for Trump. I mean, it just becomes at a certain point undeniable. I think the Epstein thing is important, too. I totally agree. Because it was such, you know, he was always a little reluctant. But again, to your point about the people around him, including you put Kash Patel in charge. I mean, he was, he, part of his whole identity was that he was going to reveal all of the wrongdoers, blah, blah, blah. and all this mythology around Trump and all the QAnon bullshit about how he was going to be the one that came up, rounded up the pedophile cabal and all the wrongdoers would be brought to justice, blah, blah, blah.
41:19And then it's like, yeah, we're going to do a massive cover up of this actually, because my name is all over the Epstein files, personally my name. And I'm going to call Marjorie Taylor Greene and tell her that she needs to not do anything to help in revealing any of this information because, quote, my friends will be hurt. I think that was a bit of an eye opening moment for people who are paying attention to.
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43:31We'll see you next time. assets is an interactive analysis tool. Output is for informational purposes only and is not an investment recommendation or advice. Complete disclosures available at public.com slash disclosures. To get back to where we are economically, some extraordinary comments made here from Speaker of the House Mike Johnson, who you described, you know, the Republican Congress is just slaves to Trump. He is the chief slave to Trump and just goes along with literally whatever he wants. That's how he sees his entire job. And so he's tried to sell this idea that like, oh, we're going to get back to the kitchen table issues as soon as we deal with that straight-of-hormuz issue.
44:07Well, when is that going to be dealt with? What is your plan to deal with that? You mean the straight-of-hormuz issue that you guys yourselves caused by starting this war that you are complicit in, Mike Johnson, because you guys in Congress want nothing to do with stopping this or having any say or control or power over putting our nation and our troops at risk? Let's go ahead and play B3. CBS News had some polling out this morning showing 76 % of people are concerned. 67 say they are stressed about their own personal financial situation. You know that generally the incumbent is punished in the midterms and people are feeling very uncertain about how they're doing personally.
44:42How do you campaign against that? Well, this relates to the last segment. We were talking about the Strait of Hormuz. Really all points lead back to that. Gas prices are too high because of that. And then that has an effect on how goods are transported to the grocery store and all the rest. So as soon as we get that straightened out, we will get back to the kitchen table issues, the economic issues that we put in place to make the economy grow. The working families tax cut, the big, beautiful bill, all the legislation we passed put in pro growth policies that will lead to bigger paychecks. We already had the largest tax refunds we've had in a long, long time because of our policies.
45:13And so we're really excited, anxious for that to be resolved so that people will feel that. And I think they will before they go vote in the midterm. So as soon as we get this straight out of our ministry now, we will get back to the kitchen table issues. But to your point, Sagar, what does that even mean? I don't even know. Because they already did their one big, beautiful bill. I don't think people are feeling like that was all it was cracked up to be. A bunch of rich people got tax cuts that I'm sure they're happy about. Oh, don't forget boomers. Don't forget. And boomers, yeah. But even the boomers are stressed about the gas prices and not happy with how this is going.
45:44But we haven't heard a single additional like, this is what we'll do if we keep control of Congress. There is no real positive, affirmative messaging here whatsoever. Give money to Israel. If you want to give more money to Israel and extend more tax cuts for boomers, and what else? I don't know, the Save America Act. Like, okay, sure, fine, great. And protect a bunch of criminal oligarchs from having to come and testify before Congress about their crimes. That's the other part of the pitch. It's basically going to be a negative polarization pitch. One of the main reasons why a lot of Democrats or a lot of Republicans are not going to come out to vote is they're going to be like, what did you give me in two years?
46:19Like, seriously, what did you give me? And I don't think – think about it. The timing of November couldn't be worse because of all of the retail hits that's going to happen, the ripple through the economy all the way to November, which is inevitable. It's baked in at this point on top of a miserable summer of cost. Like even if the war ended now, gas is not going below$3.50 a gallon, period, at least for, I don't know, maybe a year, honestly. I mean, J.P. Morgan and others said that the base case is that oil remains over$100 a barrel for at least another year in the markets just because of what's happened.
46:55I haven't talked about natural gas. We have this latest news about AutoZone. Can we put B4 up here? These are those little things like with COVID, which you just never forget. And this is from an internal AutoZone memo where they say, we are facing the largest supply shortage of lubricating fluids in modern history of America. Realistic middle-of-the-road estimates are for our average available supply in this product category to drop by 40%. So I'm assuming that this is like motor oil and changing – I have an electric vehicle, so it's not really something I've thought about in a long time. But, I mean, I am generally aware people need their oil changed.
47:38And when they do, there's always that one guy who changes it himself and is very, very proud of it. And I feel like that guy in particular is going to be the most hit because they go to go and buy it themselves and change it at home. But then also the dealers, you know, the service cost is probably— Yeah, you're going to show up at Jiffy Loop and be like, what the hell? Why does this cost so much? And I think that's where the stickers—or you may just not have any, right? Like that's the real nightmare scenario is that they're like, hey, sorry, you know, we're rationing oil change. And so everyone will start stretching it for, you know, fast further when they're supposed to.
48:14And then you have more breakdowns, more car maintenance, more problems. And already I was reading about car costs. A lot of people bought cars during the pandemic period. Remember when they were very, very high, the price. And so they're instantly upside down on their loans because the market has normalized. And so a record number of people are actually upside down on their car loan right now. And so when you add in increased cost of maintenance, you can't even get rid of the damn thing without paying. It's really bad. B6, can we put that up there? Grocery prices in the U.S. surged more aggressively in April than any prior month in the nearly five years, Which makes it so that grocery prices, that would mean, that have had a cumulative level of inflation of, I mean, it's got to be over 20 % in just the last five years.
49:04And that's where, again, you just start to see people radically shift their consumption habits at that point. You stop buying beef. You stop buying luxury products. You will go to Costco. I think we've seen a flip, I think, in the amount of chicken consumed versus beef for stable protein. more people buying name brand goods, or sorry, store branded goods as opposed to name brand goods. We've seen a reduction in McDonald's. Remember, I think you guys, what was the segment you did about the Hines? No, it was Hines. Yeah, they're seeing, they're seeing, they said just like, people don't have money.
49:41That was the quote from that CEO. And then Costco said, we've already seen the shift from beef to chicken. Now we're seeing the shift to like canned tuna, canned chicken. So those signs are rippling throughout the economy. But don't worry, the stock market is really high. I mean, it is high. It's great. If you've got money in the stock market, I can read a chart and I know that the vast majority of people, especially at the struggling end of the spectrum, are not going to have any benefit from it. Tucker had a good point where he's like, look, once gas goes to$7 a gallon, that means that you are affected by that even when you make like half a million dollars a year.
50:19Because at that point, look, it's not that you can't afford the gas price. It's just that that means that the level of input inflation from air travel to grocery price and all that becomes so high that even the richest 1 % of W-2 earners will be hit. He's like, if you don't make less than a million dollars a year, if you make less than a million dollars a year, you will feel it. And I think that's true. Think about it. So a public transit in this country is complete shit outside of New York City. Every other place, you're basically like completely car reliant. The minimum wage in this country is still federally$7.25.
50:51If a gallon of gas is$7, like you're working an entire hour to afford one gallon of gas. The math does not math. That's already the case for a lot of people. And so, you know, I don't think it penetrates here in D.C. It certainly doesn't penetrate for Trump, who's completely encircled by a bunch of, you know, and who he's thinking about, whether he's here in D.C. or even more to the point, all the time that he spends down in Mar-a-Lago. That's who he's surrounded by. He has no awareness or understanding of the way this has already hurt people, but it is throwing up in the polls big time. We're going to do probably some dive into some of the polling tomorrow.
51:33I just thought there was a New York Times poll out as well. I mean, the numbers on how people feel about inflation, whether their wages are keeping up with inflation, they are extremely dire. And as much as people hate the Iran war, they have even lower ratings for Trump on his handling of the economy, which has always been one of his key strengths. It's the biggest reason I think he ended up back in the White House because people thought, oh, well, in the first term, I was doing better. He's a businessman. He'll make these deals. He's going to deliver for the American people. I really think that was it more than anything else.
52:05I totally agree. And obviously that has been a complete failure in all of his own making. Gas was a big selling point for his. You know, last thing for sure. Gas was a big remember all. I remember reading all these testimonies because we were election night. We were like, wow, like, look at this South Texas swing. Yeah. And I was like, what is going on here? Like, what happened? Because it's not that people in South Texas, you know, you don't do a 40 point swing from nowhere. Some a lot of it was cultural, definitely on immigration. But then I would read and be like, well, gas was a buck 90 when Trump was president.
52:33And I was like, well, you know, it was a pandemic, too. But OK. But I would – enough times that I read either some version of I got a stimulus check which had Trump's name on it or gas prices were low that I was like, I guess it's a thing. People really think it was Trump that made gas prices so low. So you don't discount that. And Trump once upon a time was not Mr. oh, I don't think about America's financial situation. He was – I mean he was obsessed with gas prices by all accounts in the first term of his presidency. And the second time, it's like they just they literally don't care anymore.
53:09They're just telling you to sit there and take it. One more element here. Put B7 up on the screen because these are things that could be coming to your neighborhood. Tipping point looms for global energy crisis. This is from the Financial Times. And they write that nearly 80 countries have already introduced emergency measures to protect their economies as the world approaches a new, more dangerous phase in the energy crisis driven by the Iran war. So because we're a wealthy country, we are a little bit protected. We see the gas pump. We see the grocery prices increasing and that being tied to the Iran war.
53:43But we really haven't felt the full brunt here. And we will never feel the full brunt in the way that poor countries do. I mean, they're talking about potentially 45 million more people being pushed into famine, effectively, because of the shipping crisis and the way this ripples throughout the entire economy. So for a lot of places around the globe, this will be utterly devastating. in a way that we will be somewhat protected from. But, you know, these are the types of things that will be headed our way in terms of analysts are saying, oh, we're unlikely to have shortages here. But, you know, analysts also didn't anticipate all of the impacts of the COVID slash Ukraine supply shocks.
54:21So things could get extremely, extremely bumpy. And I think it's, you know, should be a real eye opener that Trump's talking about short term pain that you already have 80 countries around the world that have had to institute emergency economic measures to deal with this. And some of them, like India is one of them. India is coming in saying, hey, we've got to preserve our currency. So don't take foreign trips. Don't purchase precious metals because we need to keep our store of them, et cetera. So there's already in countries globally a huge recognition of what this already means for them and what it's going to mean for them in the future.
54:57Prime Minister Modi gave a speech last week, asking locals to stop buying gold to shore up his FX defenses. He didn't go so far as to tell them to stop traveling abroad. But remember, Air India has canceled a significant amount of flights. And I mean, look, for those of you who are not aware, gold is like the lifeblood of Indian society. It kind of always has been. It is literally a gold crazed society. So for the prime minister to be like, hey, everybody, please stop buying gold, that's a big deal. Yeah. Especially cultural, like wedding gifts. They're obsessed with gold. Yeah. I mean, the amount of gold that my relatives, I'm like, I don't need all this fucking gold.
55:35But apparently it's a - No, maybe it was a good thing. I mean, I guess. It's like a safety deposit box. You're like, okay. But yeah, I mean, these people are obsessed with gold. Just absolutely obsessed. So for their prime minister to come out and say, oh, well, you shouldn't buy gold anymore. That's honestly pretty shocking for them. He also added other things, telling them about some of the problems that they may face and cooking gas and others. I mean, this is the world's most populous country, so it's definitely something you have to pay attention to. And they may seriously face problems as things continue with their gas prices and everything, where they're trying to keep them at a lower level.
56:14But it is inevitable, you know, if this continues, that they may have to increase that amount, even with the massive amount of government subsidy and Russia and all that oil that continues to come in. So, yeah, that's just there. And then Africa, I saw they're already warning about famine as of this year, the World Food Program and their ability to buy new goods. So there you go.
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