In short
The episode covers three main stories: (1) Trump’s proposed $1.776B “anti-weaponization fund” created via settlement after dropping a $10B IRS lawsuit over leaked tax returns; hosts argue it would let DOJ-directed payouts go to political allies, especially January 6 figures, without congressional oversight. They cite the 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund as a contrast and list alleged eligible names (e.g., Steve Bannon, Peter Navarro, Rudy Giuliani, Mark Meadows, Enrique Tarrio, Sidney Powell, John Eastman, Jeffrey Clark, Jenna Ellis, Walt Nauta). They claim many pardoned January 6 defendants had further criminal charges (including child sex crimes, weapons, and violence). (2) AI backlash: a federal court rejected Elon Musk/Sam Altman/OpenAI claims on statute-of-limitations grounds; hosts discuss AI commencement booing (Eric Schmidt) and youth skepticism about job replacement. (3) Cars for Kids: a California judge banned ads after finding false advertising; hosts say donated-car money largely went to URA Inc., an Orthodox Jewish group in NJ/NY, including Israel-related spending, with required disclosures not made.
Guests
Sagar and Crystal (Breaking Points hosts); no other named guests.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOTrump's Slush Fund Explained
2:19 to 6:38
Delve into the implications of Trump's anti-weaponization fund.
“We need your help to build the future of independent news media, and we hope to see you at BreakingPoints.com.”
The Impact of Financial Incentives
6:38 to 10:48
Explore the potential consequences of rewarding January 6th defendants.
“Now, what sort of incentive does this create, right?”
White-Collar Crime Under Biden
10:48 to 14:00
Discuss the decrease in white-collar crime prosecutions during the Biden era.
“But the truth is is that this is one where originally – also I'm sure you've seen – they didn't even necessarily want this so-called weaponization fund.”
The Complexity of Fraud in Government
14:00 to 16:40
Explore the nuanced perspectives on fraud and its societal implications.
“Yeah, I didn't realize that the other person out here is also named Sagar, Sagar Adnani, his nephew.”
Public Sentiments on Social Safety Nets
16:40 to 21:02
Discussion on how perceptions of fraud affect support for social programs.
“And, you know, that's honestly tragic because what it does is it creates this.”
The Rise of Kleptocracy in Politics
21:02 to 23:09
Examine the trend of political corruption and its societal impact.
“People do feel like the government doesn't do anything for them.”
Elon Musk's Lawsuit Against OpenAI
24:59 to 28:00
Analysis of the recent lawsuit filed by Elon Musk regarding OpenAI's practices.
“First of all, a significant update in a lawsuit that Elon Musk filed against Sam Altman's OpenAI.”
The Growing Skepticism of AI at Graduations
28:00 to 29:40
Explore the backlash against AI at graduation events and the implications for future job markets.
“You know, I think Anthropic has been the most responsible, but still as long as this development is in the hands of a few oligarchs, This is a very dire situation for America, for the world, all sorts of risks.”
Understanding Student Reactions to AI
29:40 to 33:10
Discuss the paradox of students using AI tools while opposing their broader implications.
“Only a few years ago, AI was not a factor in our lives.”
Polling Data Reveals Youth Concerns on AI
33:10 to 35:50
Examine recent polling data highlighting youth skepticism toward the rapid development of AI.
“I can imagine a reality, a very different reality than the one we live in, where I'm just, like, excited about AI.”
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The Generational Divide on Technology Adoption
35:50 to 38:20
Analyze the surprising reversal of views on technology between younger and older generations.
“Number one is, in the last few months, there has been a step change function in the productivity of the AI toolkit.”
Advice for Navigating Uncertainty in Education
38:20 to 40:55
Learn about the challenges facing new graduates in an uncertain job market and potential strategies.
“Young people are like just excited about, oh, this is changing.”
Cars for Kids Scandal Uncovered
42:50 to 44:10
A shocking court case reveals the truth behind the Cars for Kids charity.
“We talked a lot about fraud earlier in our show, and it's a very interesting case out of the state of California with a jingle that many of you might remember.”
Misleading Charitable Donations
44:10 to 47:50
Discussing the implications of misleading advertisements in charity cases.
“Now, to be clear here, Cars for Kids is denying that they weren't open about this.”
Israel and Gaza Updates
47:50 to 54:00
An overview of the current situation in Gaza and Israel's actions.
“And then if that is then used for a different purpose, that's a very, very different story.”
Transcript
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2:27Turning now to the slush fund. This one's getting a lot of attention. Let's put it up here on the screen. Now, the details are a little convoluted, so everybody stick with me. Donald Trump has basically been in a decade-long fight with the IRS. Yesterday, he decided to drop this$10 billion lawsuit against the IRS over the leak of his tax returns. In exchange, a part of that settlement will create something called an anti-weaponization fund of$1.776 billion, 1776, to celebrate the founding of the American Revolution. Now, that anti-weaponization fund will allow people who believe they were targeted for prosecution for political purposes, including by the Biden administration, to apply for payouts, creating a, quote, lawful process for victims of lawfare and weaponization to be heard and to seek redress.
3:22The machinery of government, they says, should not be weaponized against any American. It is this department's intention to make this right, the wrongs that were previously done while ensuring this never happens again. Now, there are a lot of very interesting things about this slush fund, if you will. It literally creates a fund of taxpayer dollars. These taxpayer dollars can be dispersed at the explicit instruction of the Department of Justice based upon their own review. Every previous compensation fund that has ever been set up by the United States – and I actually went back and checked. Or at the very least, similar types of funds like this are created by Congress.
4:03So, for example, the 9-11 Victims Compensation Fund. Or there's a lot of different ways and mechanisms that you can create this. There are also lawsuits. There's a different process where, let's say you or I were improperly treated by the feds. We can sue the federal government, and then a judge and others will decide potentially in some sort of a settlement between those two. This preemptively creates the fund inviting the so-called victims at the discretion of the Department of Justice to be able to release them. And look, we all know at this point this is going to be created for the benefit of the people who are on Donald Trump's side, either not just on January 6th, but a lot of his other allies who have faced either prosecution by the previous administration or even prior to that by Robert Mueller and others.
4:51So this is crazier than honestly anything that he's ever done. And I know that may sound crazy because they're like, oh, but what about the trading and Palantir? I'm like, look, all of that is fair. Absolutely fair. But there's a plausible explanation. It is a very – or even government contracts. Technically, a service is being provided, right? This is literally just cutting checks out from the U.S. Treasury. Like United States of America. Yes, a taxpayer expense. It's a very different thing. The insider trading potential that we talked about yesterday, which is insane to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.
5:27You know, that's not coming directly out of the taxpayer's pocket. It's incredibly destructive to the social fabric. It's illegal if it was, in fact, insider trading as it appears on its face. But here we're talking about direct theft of$1.8 billion of taxpayer money to dole out to your friends and allies as you see fit. It's crazy. And I mean, one minor correction on what you said, though. This lawsuit doesn't go back decades. This was something they filed last year against the IRS. Oh, sorry. He has two different lawsuits. So this one, this was filed just, actually, sorry, not even last year.
6:02Earlier this year, based on this previous leak of his tax returns. So just think about that to begin with. The president of the United States is suing his own government, expecting the taxpayers to pay out some sort of settlement to him for his alleged wrong. That was crazy to begin with. Now, there's a reason why they never let this thing go to court, because very likely a judge was going to look at this and throw it right out. So instead of going to court, now he has created this, quote unquote, settlement, again, with his own government, which he runs as his personal kingdom, obviously, to create this$1.8 billion fund to dole out as he sees fit.
6:43Now, what sort of incentive does this create, right? For the people who stormed the Capitol on January 6th, some of whom just, quote unquote, trespassed and some of whom were created, you know, committed violent acts, all of whom had their sentences committed and were pardoned by Trump. Now, they have been rewarded for that activity. And that's the message that comes out from this is, first of all, that he uses the federal government, his own personal piggy bank to reward his friends and allies. And second of all, not only will there be no legal consequences for you breaking the law, beating up police officers in service of President Trump, you're going to be financially rewarded for it.
7:23Think about the financial, the incentives that that creates. It's truly, truly mind-blowing. And let's also talk about, okay, so who are some of the people who could get these fans? It's anyone he feels like. Put C3 up on the screen. This is Ron Filipkowski put together this list. Think about Steve Bannon, Peter Navarro, Rudy Giuliani, Mark Meadows, Stuart Rhodes, Enrique Tarrio, Sidney Powell, Jenna Ellis, John Eastman. These were key figures in Stop the Steal. Jeffrey Clark, another one, Boris Epstein, Joe Biggs, I don't remember who that is, and Walt Nauta. But any of the January 6th people, we could put C4 up on the screen just as a reminder of the personal character of some of these pardoned insurrectionists.
8:02At least 33 of them have faced other criminal charges. A number of them have been charged with driving under the influence. And in four cases, they allegedly re-offended after receiving their pardons from Trump. One was charged with a felony for threatening to murder Hakeem Jeffries. Another was convicted in June for violating a peace order by following the mother of his child in violation of a court order. Two were charged in May with burglary, breaking and entering. Others had interactions with law enforcement that highlight the dangers posed by Trump's decision to grant them clemency. One was killed during a traffic stop when he reportedly resisted arrest and was armed.
8:40Another fired on police when they arrested him. And I believe there were, yes, six of the pardoned January 6th insurrectionists were charged with committing child sex crimes, ranging from sexual assault to possession of child pornography. At least five were charged with illegal possession of weapons, including at least two who had a previous domestic violence conviction. These are the sorts of characters that Trump already pardoned and who would now be eligible for a financial reward for their actions on that day. So it is so disgusting and depraved and deleterious to the fabric of a society that you can scarcely wrap your head around it.
9:15I would say that it's very simple to do because, look, a lot of Republicans and others, they're upset about the way some of the Jansixers were treated. I think it's fair. I mean, a lot of the prosecutions were extremely overzealous in some of the things that they did. Or the QAnon guy, he was hit with some ridiculous number of – the shaman was hit with some ridiculous number of time. That's honestly a completely different argument outside of pardoning and even in terms of their ability. Let's say if they need to seek redress, which they easily could through the legal system. It's a totally different one to create some sort of a slush fund.
9:48And honestly, it amplifies a lot of the same stuff that they get furious about whenever we're talking about fraud or checks that are getting cut out from the government. And look, I mean, let's not deny like this is a long held thing that a lot of government, a lot of people have wanted to do in the past for like sympathetic victims. But here they're just like, oh, yeah, we're going to do it. Right. Like we're just going to create this fund for people we believe have been unjustly prosecuted. And it's like, OK, I mean, in the in terms of like a lot of these Jan 6 people who were pardons, I honestly don't even disagree with a lot of the pardons considering how far they went, especially considering how a lot of people who rioted in 2020 were not prosecuted literally whatsoever.
10:28However, to cut them checks from the feds and then is what is going to stop, you know, some future Democratic administration from saying the same, from compensating James Comey, you know, for being prosecuted now for this 8-6-4-7. That's why we don't have things like this and it should be set up by Congress. I mean, I'm sure it will face an immense amount of legal scrutiny. On the IRS front, the only thing I got confused about is they previously had also sued the IRS whenever he was getting audited, if you'll recall, in 2016, which is why that one goes back a decade or so. But the truth is is that this is one where originally – also I'm sure you've seen – they didn't even necessarily want this so-called weaponization fund.
11:09He had wanted to be personally compensated whenever they decided that that one probably wasn't going to be able to work out. This seemed to be like the so-called compromise. I actually do think out of all of the things Trump has done, this will be the one which is going to get much more legal scrutiny in the future than anything. There is just something fundamentally different about cutting a U.S. Treasury track at the total discretion of the president and or of his attorney general to somebody with no real process created taxpayer dollars effectively by fiat power with no congressional oversight.
11:46This is the one that I actually do think will genuinely be a serious problem in the future. A lot of people think I'm like being exaggerated. This one really is different. It's different. And I think it's important to recognize that. Well, and you're about to have Democrats have some power in the House and potentially also the Senate. I think very likely at this point that they're going to take both the House and the Senate. And, you know, so they can't prosecute, but they can start building the case. They can do all the investigations. They can subpoena. They can, you know, dig into, OK, how is this process playing out?
12:19Who are these people? How are they being selected, et cetera? So, you know, there may be some movement on that quickly. We'll see. But just one more piece here because this is significant. This administration has been the most anti-law and order administration you can imagine when it comes to white-collar crime and their own, of course, criminality. So you now have U.S. prosecutors dropping these fraud charges against an Indian billionaire, one of the richest people on the planet, Guatam Adani. And these were fraud charges that were, you know, the initial prosecution was under the Biden administration.
12:56Essentially, the allegations are that there were hundreds of millions of dollars of bribes that were paid in order to secure deals within India. Now, you might say, OK, well, that was India. What does that have to do with us? Well, U.S. investors were misled on the basis of the presentation denying these, you know, these alleged bribes, etc. So because you have the nexus of misleading U.S. investors about this company, that's why the U.S. has jurisdiction here or claim to have jurisdiction here. So Trump, of course, immediately, Adani, once Trump gets elected, he's congratulating, oh, you're such an incredible leader.
13:31You're going to do such great things, blah, blah, blah. I believe he hired a lawyer that's close in with the Trump family. He played the whole game. And they all know how. I mean, it's a whole pay-to-play operation to get charges dropped or to get your pardons, etc. At this point, we've seen this with these crypto guys who have been let off the hook as well. The lowest number of white-collar crime prosecutions that we've seen in modern history under this administration, they just don't care about white-collar crime. They have defenestrated the regulatory apparatus so that these oligarchs can get away with whatever they want as long as they stay on Trump's good side.
14:08Yeah, I didn't realize that the other person out here is also named Sagar, Sagar Adnani, his nephew. Yeah, it's a little different, though. It is, yeah, with 1A saga. I will say this one is even crazier because they proposed the$10 billion investment that was proposed by the government, but it wasn't cited by the DOJ when they dropped their case. So it was basically an order from the top. They say in the final weeks of the admin, the prosecutors had unsealed the indictment, and the case, which along with the SEC, had basically been in limbo since then. I wouldn't be surprised, however, just being honest, is if the Indian government had something to do with this.
14:48I don't know how much of this is also Adnani. Because Adnani and Modi are like this. Yeah, and they – in the recent meeting, Modi got asked about – and he described this as a, quote, personal matter and said, oh, we didn't talk about this whatsoever. But I wouldn't doubt also. Well, I don't know if Modi talked to him about it. Now, did the Indian finance minister bring it up or something like that? So I would just, this is my only flag, is this may be above pay to play and much be, I mean, he's one of the richest men in all of India. He's very important to the government. So I actually think that might have probably played a bigger role.
15:20But look, it's important to flag because it's like you were saying about fraud. Now, all this fraud stuff, that drives me crazy too. And I will say, I do think that there is a disparity in the way that a lot of it is covered. Like, for example, liberals tend to forgive like poor people committing fraud and are obsessed with rich people committing fraud. I think both are bad, OK? Now, a lot of Republicans tend to overly focus on poor people committing fraud. And then when their rich friends are committing fraud, they're like, oh, well, it's different. No, it's all bad, OK? And this problem, though, is that by – and, you know, I get it.
15:55A lot of Americans feel like the deck is stacked against them and they don't have as much against some Medicare fraudster or some – what were those? PPP loan fraudster as opposed to a multi-billionaire oligarch. I totally understand. I do think both should be prosecuted to uphold the rule of law. But that's what blows a hole in their whole crusade against fraud. When they're talking about a million or a billion or something like here in California, you're setting up slush funds. You're letting off billionaires. You're reducing white collar prosecutions. You're you're pardoning all of these guys who commit white collar crime because they happen to hire the right lawyer out of Mar-a-Lago.
16:34It's like you have no standing, I think, in terms of the public eye about this actual issue of fraud. And, you know, that's honestly tragic because what it does is it creates this. You know, I think I genuinely thought that that, you know, the fraud story, not just in Minnesota, but California, like it is a real issue. It is. Now, I'm not going to say it's the number one biggest fiscal threat, but it's a problem. If you want a well-functioning social safety net, which I think you and I do, people need to have confidence in said safety net. And a lot of people, if you watch some Somali guy who's not even from here, who comes over here and starts ripping you off, yeah, it makes me mad considering how much FICA that I have to pay.
17:14But it's also going to make me mad when I see some Ponzi scheming, you know, you know, piece of shit who gets pardoned from Trump and then go out to Ponzi scheme again after he's been let out. So I can't live in that reality of both, if that makes sense. So I don't know. I just feel like the fraud issue has become has become like sociocultural in a way. And instead, like there are well-meaning people, I think left and right, who really would want to see a genuinely like orderly society. and things like this genuinely, like both the Somali case and this are so utterly destructive to like any of your thought because every rich guy in the world right now is like, screw it.
17:55I'm not, you know, everybody knows that when you're self-employed and all that, what you pay, it's not like a real formula. There's no like X times Y, like whenever you're a W-2. You could write this off and then you're like, well, what's my audit risk whenever it comes to this? And a lot of it, a lot of the tax code is in the gray area. I have some friends who are actually like filthy rich, and I'd even ask them. I'd be like, hey, how do you calculate their taxes? They're like, man, it's a game. Like it's a game. The famous Rumsfeld letter that he would say, he said, this is what I'm paying you.
18:26I have no idea whether this is correct or not because of your IRS convoluted tax code. It shouldn't be that way. But everybody knows under this administration that's the way that it's going. And that is really intolerable whenever poor people are having such a hard time right now. Completely. Yeah, where you're throwing the book. I mean, this was actually my legitimate criticism, I think, of the way the January 6th prosecutions went about. I think people who committed criminal acts on that day should be prosecuted. But it's also gross to see, like, you know, Trump, who really is responsible for the whole thing, be completely let off the hook.
18:59And all of the top-level players effectively be completely let off the hook. And I think it's the same thing overall when you look at, like, oh, we're going to go after these small-time fraudsters. But if you're a billionaire who's got access at Mar-a-Lago, then forget about it. You can pillage the country and the global economy with impunity, and they're going to let you off the hook. I mean, I will say, just to quibble, like dozens of prosecutions of Somali fraudsters started under the Biden administration, many more so than under the Trump administration. So I 100 percent agree with your view of we should have equal application of the law.
19:32That's all I want. And it is important if you're going to get people to buy and believe in a large social safety net that people feel like their money is not being, you know, pillaged and that it is being distributed fairly and people aren't, you know, gaming. Well, because I'm sure you don't feel like when I paid my taxes in April, I felt sick. Like I actually with the war going on, I'm like, I feel ill. Well, and that has for me more to do with the war and the genocide than it does with, you know, well, I mean, yeah, that's that's the big thing that makes me just sure. But I know where it's going.
20:04It's going to war. That's fair. But I mean, I felt that way. I'm saying with the war with Iran, it's it wasn't just like what you were talking about with Israel. I'm like my own countrymen are being killed in this stupid war. All this money is being pissed away. 168 Iranian schoolgirls are dead. And that's what this shit is paying for. and then, oh, I go outside my front door and some guy's doing the fentanyl lean. I'm like, great, awesome. Better not call 911. Nobody's gonna do a fucking thing about it. That's the true reality, I think, for a lot of people, especially, we're self-employees. We literally have to pay our own taxes, which is somehow psychologically harder than whenever it's taken out of your...
20:43Yeah, it's much easier, trust me, whenever it's taken out of your W-2 paycheck. But the thing is, is that for, I'm sorry to derail this whole fraud combo, But I do think it's important. It gets to the heart of why Doge and a lot of the Trump revolutionary spirit was popular in the first place, which, yes, I know how it turned out. But try to remember what the vibes and the feeling of that were like. People do feel like the government doesn't do anything for them. That experience I just laid out of your neighborhood looks like shit or there's crime and people literally don't do anything about it while our money is getting pissed away in Israel or Gaza or in Iran or Ukraine and all that.
21:21It's an enraging experience. Or whenever you pay your health, you know, when my health care premium goes up by 25 percent or whatever, and then some fraudster out there is getting free health care in an emergency room makes me mad. But it also makes me mad when I see these Ponzi schemers who are doing Medicare fraud at a high level who will become, I don't know, senators without impugning anybody's character, you know, or legal justification. I mean, I do think this is why Zoran's model in New York is so important because he does take seriously the things you're talking about. They did a whole audit of the entire budget and they did their own version of Doge, but also maintained the public spending on education and public libraries and the things that people genuinely collectively benefit from in the city.
22:11and, you know, I think so far he has really demonstrated that level of responsiveness where people feel like, okay, you know, I'm paying in but I'm also, I can see that there's like a care and concern about what's happening in the city. So yes, that is the type of government. And a lot of Nordic social welfare states with the strongest ones, they have crazy fraud departments. You wouldn't even believe it. Like Denmark and a lot of these countries, like you really should study how they handle it. On immigration too, they do not fuck around in the same way. they do. So anyway, do some studying of that.
22:43I do think it's a really important issue. And it's really actually gross to see it like cynically exploited. And I think what this will do will further degradate the norms and create governments of the immediate term political allies in the same way that late stage republics always do. They become, you know, basically, what did we decide on yesterday? Kleptocracies. Like we will basically just create, you know, new versions of kleptocracies, was individual constituencies fighting over who gets to loot the treasury while they're in power. That's certainly the precedent that is being established right now.
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25:18We've covered some of this previously on the show. Basically, Elon and Sam Altman with others started OpenAI with the idea that they were concerned about the direction of AI development. They wanted it to be non-profit, and they also wanted it to be open source. Elon alleges, and I think with some standing here, some standing in the claims that he's making, that Sam Altman abandoned those promises, turned it, and this is clear, into a for-profit entity, and also went from being open source to obviously it was no longer open source. So that's what this lawsuit is over. Again, thrown down a court, but not based on the merits of the claims based on the fact that it was filed too late.
26:00Not that I think there are really any heroes in this story because Elon has just, you know, Elon's trajectory is actually very interesting because originally he was very concerned about AI development and, you know, keeping it under control. And we have to make sure that this doesn't become an existential threat to humanity. And then basically after this split with Sam Altman, now he's just like, okay, well, if it's off to the races, then I'm going to be off to the races as well. I'm going to be just as unscrupulous a steward of AI development as anyone else, if not more so. Grok has been one of the worst in terms of just taking all of the guardrails off and sort of letting a rip.
26:35So in any case - It's still not even that good. No, and it's the worst one. It's not even good. Yeah, I mean, he's desperate, right? It's honestly the worst one of the major models. What he is doing is he's doing the chip stuff. It's actually interesting, not to derail this entire thing, but the chip project that they're working on is actually very interesting. The one that's backstopping the, what is it? The backstopping Anthropic, which is allowing them higher levels of compute. But back to the core claim, Elon was obviously correct. Like what happened with AI, open AI is insane. I still have no idea how it is legal.
27:03You have a nonprofit, which splits into two kind of to create a for-profit trillion dollar company, which creates, which will, when it IPOs, create more billionaires in a single day than any time in the history of humanity. So, okay, like it was all founded. A for-profit company was founded on the basis of we need open AI quite literally so that all of humanity can benefit. And so it will be researched and done in such a way that it is not gated. It is made it so that it's open for science and for everything else. How is that humanly possible in a 10-year period that this is exactly where we have ended up?
27:37It's so ridiculously absurd. Because they all get into the same mentality of, well, if I don't do it, then this person's going to, and it's going to be Dario, then it's going to be Zuckerberg, then it's going to be the Chinese or whatever. And so they all get into this mentality of that's why I have to sort of abandon caution, throw caution to the wind and just develop as fast as I can and for as much money as I possibly can. And so basically they all have the same mentality. You know, I think Anthropic has been the most responsible, but still as long as this development is in the hands of a few oligarchs, This is a very dire situation for America, for the world, all sorts of risks.
28:15And the public is really waking up to this as evidenced by the fact you've had a number of commencement speakers who were booed when they brought up AI development. Now, it's also sort of extraordinary that they didn't anticipate that this would be a controversial topic, to say the least. speaking to new graduates who are facing down a job market that has been degraded by the advent and continued development of AI. But in any case, we put together a little compilation here for you of some of the most noteworthy events where speakers are getting booed. And I think we're starting here with Google's Eric Schmidt.
28:51Let's go ahead and take a listen to that. Last December, Time magazine selected its person of the year for 2025. And it was this time, It was the architects of artificial intelligence. Interesting. It will touch every profession, every classroom, every hospital, every laboratory, every person and every relationship you have. I know what many of you are feeling about that. I can hear you. There is a fear.
29:27We do not know. The rise of artificial intelligence is the next industrial revolution. Whoa. What happened? Okay, I struck a chord. May I finish?
29:58Only a few years ago, AI was not a factor in our lives. Thank you.
30:12Graduates, everyone who is standing, here's what's happening. We're using a new AI system as our reader.
30:27Yep. Yep. So that is a lesson learned for us. So in case you didn't catch what was going on in that last one, they used a new AI system to read off graduates' names, and it forgot I don't know how many. And so the ones who were still standing were the ones who never had their name called because their new AI system, why do you need an AI system to read people's name? Anyway, screwed up and failed to announce them. So they didn't get to do, you know, walk across the stage and do their whole thing because of this. But I mean, pretty wild to see the overwhelming negative response among new graduates to even the mention of AI from these people.
31:12And you can see that second woman, like very uncomfortable and giggling and like, oh, I didn't really know that this was going to go that way. I loved it. I like to make them uncomfortable. The kids are all right. Look, I actually think this is an important view. So what are these kids booing? Because I can guarantee you 108 % of them used ChatGPT, Claude, or Gemini to help them while they were in school. Probably literally. I would be hard pressed to find a single one who was actually graduating college today who had not used it. So what do they think? They recognize the utility of AI. We do too.
31:49We recognize the utility as a tool to help human accomplishment. What they do not recognize is the term industrial revolution and of the replacement rhetoric, which every one of these CEOs fundamentally believes in. And I think that is the difference. We can celebrate, not necessarily celebrate, but we can say, wow, this technology is useful. It makes things more efficient. That does not mean that I am going to fully embrace the techno-utopian vision of all the CEOs and others behind it. And that's what explains, because I see there's so much criticism that I see. Like what I just said, every one of these kids use AI to help them graduate.
32:30I'm like, yeah, but you're not getting it, bro. They used AI to help them graduate to have a degree and to learn. You're trying to have AI replace their need for a graduate degree at all, period. So that's the difference. They can use the tool, but they do not want and are definitely not signing up for some sort of a revolution where it will entirely replace them and all of their human labor. And I think that's how everybody needs to square the circle. And where their whole future is being put in the hands of this handful of oligarchs. I mean, that's the part, too, is it's like we have not given consent.
33:03We have no say over this. This is something that is being done to us versus something that we have some sort of democratic control over and say. That, for me, is the biggest rub. I can imagine a reality, a very different reality than the one we live in, where I'm just, like, excited about AI. I'm like, oh, this could be really amazing. And I already see, you know, I tinker around with it. We've, you know, we've tinkered with it here. The things that it can already do is incredible. Not to say there aren't hallucinations and there aren't still problems to be worked out. But, you know, I would love to be in a place where I could just be excited about this, where I felt like human beings would be centered.
33:37versus right now, these oligarchs, they're traitors to humanity. They want to, they prefer the robots. They want to replace us with robots. That's who we're up against. That's what the boos are about, is the fact that they see these oligarchs who are controlling AI as traitors to humanity, as they should. Had a recent interesting comment here from, or actually let's do the polling first, put D3 up on the screen. This just reflects, you know, the trends that we're seeing, AI skepticism grows among U.S. youth. Backlash is growing in the U.S., especially among young people. Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt was booed as he gave a university commencement, as we just showed you.
34:16Polls show 70 percent of Americans think AI is moving too fast. Over 50 percent of Americans have negative views of it. You ready for this? Just 18 percent of young people say they feel hopeful about it. Partly they are turned off by AI's upending of the job market. Quote, Every other day, a new AI agent is being released in the market, said a recent graduate of UC Davis, who's applied to 500 jobs so far, quote, what am I doing with my life? So that is, you know, I mean, it's very understandable. They're coming out into this new world. You can see that companies aren't doing mass layoffs. There are some layoffs, but companies aren't doing mass layoffs.
34:58They're just not hiring these new grads because they already see the way they're able to integrate AI to replace them, to lower the number of human beings that they need to add on. And they are richly rewarded for that by Wall Street. So it creates even more of an incentive even before they've figured out how they can fully replace the humans. It creates an even more of an incentive to adopt this technology and show they're moving in that direction. Yeah, the polling is really important because what they're concerned about is they see all of the rhetoric that comes from them. And also, look, I mean, the richest, most powerful people in the world are all celebrating, not just like I celebrate whenever it can save us a little bit of time.
35:33I'm not going to be sitting around celebrating, talking about, oh, look at its ability to replace all of this different human labor. So, for example, D4, let's take a listen. This is Ken Griffin talking about AI, one of the richest financiers in the world. Let me just share a few thoughts with you on this. Number one is, in the last few months, there has been a step change function in the productivity of the AI toolkit. It is profoundly more powerful than it was just nine months ago. And for us at Citadel, that has allowed us to unleash a much broader array of use cases for AI. And it has been really interesting to watch, to be blunt, work that we would usually do with people with masters and PhDs in finance over the course of weeks or months being done by AI agents over the course of hours or days.
36:36So these are not mid-tier white-collar jobs. These are like extraordinarily high-skilled jobs being, I'm going to pick a word, being automated by agentic AI. And I got to tell you, I went home one Friday actually fairly depressed by this because you could just see how this was going to have such a dramatic impact on society. like and and when you witness in your own four walls when you see work that used to be man years of work being done in days or weeks it's like wow like that's the first time i've seen real impact in our four walls there you go um these literally what's his net worth like 40 billion something like that like whenever you earn a run one of the you know top finance trading desks and all of wall street and he even said these are not mid-tier white collar jobs these These are extraordinarily high-skilled jobs.
37:37I'm going to be, pick a word, automated by agentic AI. And he said that that's what made him depressed. That is the vision, the goal. And that's what people are rebelling against. Well, and it's very interesting because typically and certainly in recent times here with technological innovation, it's usually young people who are most excited and embrace it first. It's usually, I mean, think about it. It's usually the older people are like, back in my day and it wasn't like this and these kids with their screens or whatever. And young people are like, no, this is great. Like, I'm enjoying this. And I can see what social media is going to do for the future.
38:09Now, it turns out the older people may have had a point with some of this stuff. Yeah. The silent gen was right about Facebook. And it's time to admit it. In any case. But normally that is the way it works. Young people are like just excited about, oh, this is changing. This is new. And this is, you know, this is going to change the world in a way that's positive. And older people are wanting to maintain the way things previously were when they were growing up and their understanding of the world. Here you have a total reversal where it's older Americans who have actually less exposure to the new technology, less understanding of it, who are the most excited about it, who are the most open to it.
38:47Whereas younger people who have a deeper understanding of the technology and more use with it and see more directly its impact on the world are the ones who have the deepest reservations. I think that's very telling. I think that's actually really, you know, quite a dire sign of where things are heading because the very people who are most exposed to it are the ones who have the lowest opinion of it and want to put the genie back in the world. They're also the victims of technology. Like we were young enough to be naive about the promises of social. I mean, come on. There wasn't a little part of you that was tingling around the Arab Spring rhetoric in 2011.
39:24Oh, of course. There was. You've got to be honest. I was in college. Yeah. I had Egyptian friends. They're crying about their family's finally free and Twitter. I believed it, man. I really did. When I got that iPhone 4, I was like, this is going to change the world. Oh, this is going to be a new day for democracy and people are going to have input. You know, I mean, and it could have gone that way, too, by the way. There was a possibility that it could have gone that way. But I mean, I don't know, maybe. But there was, you know, the early days of the Internet were much more open and much more grassroots versus it became much more controlled and much more top-down, algorithmically driven, etc.
40:02But yeah, you're right about that. Now they've seen the wreckage of the previous promises of the technological development. And so there is a wariness there to begin with. And then you add to that the fact that they're thinking about college. I mean, my daughter literally graduates today. Congratulations, Ella. Congratulations, Ella. But they're looking at college, thinking about what to study or what job to try to take up. and it's impossible to know. That's the toughest question I'll get. It's impossible to know. What should I study? I'm like, dude, I don't know. Nobody knows. I really don't know.
40:32You know, it would be easy to be like, oh, learn a trade, but they're like, what if I don't want to? You know what I usually say is learn how to read and learn how to think. I know it's a total cop-out answer, but I'm like, at the very least, that one will not be automated, hopefully, anytime soon. Yeah. If you learn how to think, how to study decision-making and the various different approaches that people have, then that will hopefully put you in a good position whenever it comes time to make big decisions in your own life. That's genuinely all I can give you. I can't give you coding or accounting or - Don't do coding.
41:03Yeah, any of you. Definitely don't do that. I'm saying, or literary or physics or any of these things just because I don't see how that won't, at the very least, be attacked sometime in the future. Anyway, it's been an interesting discussion. Let's get to Cars for Kids. Who doesn't love warm, carby comfort? satisfying sandwiches, loaded bagels, rich mac and cheese. Crape-worthy and smart, Hero Bread's loaves, bagels and noodles have just 0-5 gram snack carbs, 0 gram sugar and up to 19 grams of protein and 32 grams of fiber per serving. Hero Bread bakes with heart-healthy olive oil and delivers a soft, fluffy, flavorful experience you love.
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43:021-877-CARS-4KIDS stuck in the brains of a lot of us. I think they called it an earworm. But this new court case in California exposes something truly shocking. Let's go and put it up here on the screen. A court has now banned these Cars for Kids ads in the state of California, as they report here in the local NBC News Bay Area. Cars for Kids, known for its catchy jingle, will no longer broadcast ads in California. The Orange County judge found that the charity violated false advertising laws. The case stems from a lawsuit in 2021. a man sued the charity's affiliated organization, URA Inc., where he discovered that the money from the car he donated was not going to underprivileged children in California.
43:49Instead, the money landed with an Orthodox Jewish group in New York and New Jersey that sends teenagers on gap year trips to Israel with their families. Cars for Kids ads will be banned in California until there is an audible disclosure on the charity's religious affiliation, the region of where the money goes, and a more accurate age range of the recipients. Now, to be clear here, Cars for Kids is denying that they weren't open about this. Let's put E5 up here on the screen. They say that the California court order to pull its ads is deeply flawed and claims that their religious affiliation was clear.
44:25I don't know. Was it clear to y 'all? It wasn't clear to me, certainly. Make up your mind for yourself. Cars for Kids says it is well known we are a Jewish organization and referred to the suit as a lawyer-driven attempt to siphon off charitable funds from their own gain. Again, the organization is based in the predominantly Orthodox Jewish city of Lakewood, New Jersey, and claims it has helped, quote, hundreds of Californians. Now, some of the details here are genuinely shocking. So just to read here a little bit from the New York Times in their write-up of what actually happened, is it primarily funds this New Jersey-based Jewish organization, which provides programs including an adult matchmaking service, trips to Israel for teens and summer camps in New York.
45:12The only program in California that Cars for Kids sponsored was a promotional giveaway of Cars for Kids branded backpacks. Similarly, what they write is that there was testimony where they testified, actually, that about$45 million a year that they raise, 60 % goes to URA, its sister organization, which operates out of that same building in Lakewood, New Jersey. Another 30 % is spent on in-house advertising, 6 % on administrative costs. URA has also spent the money overseas, the judge wrote, including$16.5 million to buy a building in Israel. And so when we went down a little bit further, let's put E4, some of the photos that we were able to find from URA, this organization.
46:02They include some of these. By the way, I literally pulled this image. It's from their own website, if anybody's accusing me of doctoring it. This, for example, is Last Chance Deadline. It features their mascot, Five-ish, which is a$5 bill, speaking into a microphone saying the biggest event of the year, URA-thon. They have several images that they show of this mascot, in some cases with Orthodox Jewish children, which are around it. So it is, I mean, look, it's shocking to me because of the ubiquity of the jingle of the 1A77. Everybody knows that. And this gets to what we were talking about earlier with fraud.
46:42Just the other day, I told a story at our AMA. I was at Old Navy and there was some organization where the guy was like, hey man, we buy clothes, like cheap clothes for foster kids. I'm like, you know, I put a 20 out of my wallet and I was like, here you go. Now I'm like, I don't know. There's something like this. I'm like, maybe I'm an idiot. It's like a drug addict who is pretending or something. I have no idea. I hope that's not the case. Maybe I got bamboozled. But this is the type of stuff which really makes you think about it. And yeah, I mean, I had a hard time getting through a lot of that with a straight face.
47:14But I mean, it's crazy. It's objectively crazy. One of the most famous jingles on all of television, a nonprofit-based organization that it ends up this California court decision finds that their religious affiliation is undisclosed and that the testimony from the actual court case reveals how much of that money is being funneled to this separate Orthodox Jewish group. There's nothing wrong with people who want to support an Orthodox Jewish group or whatever they wanna do. That's fine, that's your right as Americans. However, using this advertising, which a lot of people, well-meaning folks, people like me who are like, yeah, let's give money to foster children.
47:51And then if that is then used for a different purpose, that's a very, very different story. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the assumption when you hear that, the intended assumption which is made is that they're taking these cars and they're selling them off for parts or whatever. And the money is going to benefit underprivileged children of all stripes. That is what you assume. And by the way, this organization, Aura, it's not just about kids even. It's like, you know, adult matchmaking services and what is all kinds of stuff that they're doing. But it's not anything approaching what most people thought that this money was probably going towards, which is why this judge in California.
48:31And I think the standard for false advertisement, fraudulent advertisement is pretty high. Oh, you see a lot of claims on TV, which are like, oh, it's not really true. There are you can make a lot of claims on TV without it being deemed to be fraudulent advertisement. So it's a pretty high bar they had to meet to be like, no, this is too far. You are deliberately misleading people to thinking that their money and their donation is going to something which it is not going to. I told you yesterday, I'm pretty sure. I have to go back and double check, but I'm pretty sure that my old Volvo that I donated to Cars for Kids.
49:06You know what? I'd had it a long time. I had like 200 ,000 miles. I stopped working. And I was like, all right, I need to get rid of this thing. What's the easiest thing? Oh, Cars for Kids. that's you know that's the first thing that pops to mind and i now yeah i feel like i should have investigated the more i should have looked into where does the money actually go etc but you know i like many people just assumed you know okay this is an easy way to get rid of my car and it's a famous thing whatever you have no real you know it's it's like save the children yeah i mean it's solving a problem that i have and i assume it's going to some sort of reasonable purpose so we're just going with it right i mean here in the dmv you are inundated with street canvassers you know, Save the Children, Planned Parenthood, whatever, right?
49:47So it's common. But at the very least, like, you know, I usually just pretend that I'm on a phone call whenever I walk past them. But what was that? Sorry, can't hear you. But one of the things that you at least know about those organizations is they're usually like pretty well vetted. You know, you know what Save the Children does. You know what Planned Parenthood does. You know what you could disagree, you know, whatever, Médecins Sans Frontier, any of these organizations. But then I, again, very naively assume Cars for Kids is in that category. How else can something be on the air for over 20 years?
50:20Right. And nobody from the Better Business Bureau or any of these - Yeah, I just had an assumption like, oh, it must be legit. Yeah, it's got to be. Because it's ubiquitous. Right. And joke's on me. It's fair. Totally, totally get it for being too well-meaning or any of those for not doing more investigation. But honestly, people do deserve to know. And the fact is, is that all of the quotes that I read from the money and the percent wise comes from the chief operating officer's testimony before the state of California, who the judge herself described as strikingly candid whenever it came out.
50:54The only question is about whether any of this is going to be applied in the future. And if anybody from the White House, you know, they're very upset about fraud and all that. I welcome your interest in this particular case. I am not in any way alleging fraud. I'm just saying, you know, based upon what was in the trial. Well, no, no. They weren't found guilty as if they have to repay. They just have to amend their advertising. Their advertisements, as is, were banned in California based on a court decision. I wonder if other states are also going to follow suit because I know, yeah. I mean, when I lived in New York, I saw these things more than anywhere.
51:30Makes sense since it's a New Jersey organization, so it's right there. Had a couple of updates, speaking of trips to Israel and all of these sorts of things. I have a couple of updates with regard to Israel Kappa E6 up on the screen. There's a report from Haaretz. By the way, the ICC is disputing this. But there's a report from Haaretz that the ICC prosecutors seeking warrants for the arrest of Ben Gavir, Smotrich and several other Israeli officials for war crimes. So, like I said, the ICC is denying this report. Previously, warrants had been issued for the arrest of several other officials, including Netanyahu.
52:08I believe it was Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant for whom arrest warrants have already been issued. So we'll follow this and see what comes of that. But also wanted to make sure to highlight and make sure it doesn't fall out of the news, what's going on in Gaza right now. We told you before, first of all, the ceasefire was completely bunked. They continued to strike and kill Palestinians within Gaza. The Israelis have taken control of much more of the Gaza Strip than they were supposed to in accordance with the ceasefire plan. The idea that, you know, you'd start with a phase one and you'd move to a phase two, which included reconstruction and, you know, some governance apparatus, et cetera, that has never come to fruition.
52:47I think it was never intended to come to fruition. And instead, you have this just horrific limbo where people in Gaza are still living in abjectly horrific, unsanitary conditions, suffering gravely, you know, inadequate food, inadequate medical care. The sanitary conditions are horrifying. rats, infestations, just everything terrible that you can imagine. And Netanyahu went out and was bragging about how much of the Gaza Strip the Israelis now control and saying, and we'll see what happens next. Today, it's 60%. Tomorrow, we'll see. Let's take a look at this. So he said, and I quote, we returned all our hostages, the last one of them, and we did this without giving back territories.
53:30Did you hear? We returned all our hostages. There were those who said, leave, go outside. We did not go outside. Today we control how much? 60 % of the Strip. Tomorrow we will see. Tomorrow we will see. So just overtly bragging about annexing the Gaza Strip. You know, I mean, the idea that there was going to be some, like, great resolution here and it was going to be amazing was always quite fraudulent. And now he's just happy to brag about the fact that they are completely annexing this territory at this point. Yeah, and by the way, everyone will be interested to know Netanyahu's corruption trial was cut short his testimony again today for the second time in a row because of diplomatic and security reasons.
54:11So I just wanted to make sure everybody was aware of that while that's happening and for why maybe that war might need to resume sometime soon if that testimony and trial continues, which just happens to very conveniently get delayed for national security reasons all the time. In addition to now having literally, what is it, 1 ,000 new kilometers of Gaza and now this new expulsion of a significant part of the West Bank, which has nothing to do with Gaza. Well, that's where we are. All right. We have Chris Rabb standing by. Let's get to it. Looks like State Representative Chris Robb had a scheduling snafu today.
54:46Busy day, election day. So understandable. We'll be following the results closely tonight. And Ryan and Emily will cover that and so much more tomorrow. We will see you then.
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