5/20/26: Bibi Begs Trump For Iran War, JD Savaged Over Slush Fund, Massie Defeated, AIPAC Blown Out In PA

20 May 2026 · 1 h · 14 chapters

Ask about this episode

Ask anything about it. ChatGPT or Claude reads this page and answers with the times it was said.

Connect VO and ask about every podcast you hear, including the moments you saved. Add to ChatGPT · Add to Claude

In short

The episode is about three main political flashpoints: (1) Trump’s Iran posture and the likelihood of renewed conflict, (2) a new “slush fund” tied to IRS settlement and January 6th, and (3) election outcomes driven by pro-Israel spending, including Thomas Massey’s Kentucky primary loss.

Guests

Emily (co-host, “from the road”); Ryan (co-host). No external guests appear in the transcript segment.

Key claims

  • Trump and Netanyahu had a “lengthy and dramatic” call; Trump is shifting deadlines for action against Iran while negotiations stall.
  • Trump’s IRS settlement creates a $1.776B taxpayer-funded “Trump Truth and Justice Fund” with limited IRS auditability, benefiting Trump/family and January 6th participants.
  • JD Vance defends the fund as correcting wrongful prosecutions; critics argue it’s self-dealing and lacks oversight.
  • Thomas Massey lost his Kentucky primary after about $20M in pro-Israel/pro-Trump spending; AIPAC-backed efforts helped replace pro-Israel voices for seats previously held by Massey and Marjorie Taylor Greene.

Notable examples

  • Iran/U.S. proposal details: U.S. 11-point offer; Iran adds 3 points; debate over enrichment pause and Strait of Hormuz.
  • Kentucky ads included AI-generated “throuple” claims involving AOC and Ilhan Omar.

Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.

Chapters

Tap a time to open that second in VO

Trump's Comments on Iran

2:00 to 5:32

Discussion on Trump’s recent comments and implications for Iran.

“All right, good morning, and welcome to Breaking Points.”

Negotiation Dynamics with Iran

5:32 to 14:01

Analysis of the ongoing negotiations and the complexities involved.

“So according to Amit Segal of Channel 12 News in Israel, Trump and Israel over the last several hours apparently had a, quote, what, lengthy and dramatic call.”

Trump's War Dilemma and Ballroom Obsession

14:01 to 20:57

Discussion on Trump's precarious position regarding war and his fixation on ballroom renovations.

“how disastrous the politics of going back in are.”

Trump's IRS Settlement and JD Vance's Comments

24:57 to 28:00

Analysis of Trump's IRS lawsuit settlement and JD Vance's implications on funding.

“Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.”

Trump's Response to January 6 Prosecutions

28:00 to 30:00

Discussion on Trump’s comments about the Justice Department's fund for January 6 defendants.

“And I'd encourage everybody, Democrat, Republican, independent, let's turn the page on this thing that we did under the last administration where we tried to throw people in prison because they had the wrong politics.”

Trusting the Slush Fund Mechanics

30:00 to 33:50

Analyzing the trustworthiness and management of the new fund for January 6 defendants.

“Brent, I was just going to say, both Trump and Vance are correct that people were wronged in the rush to prosecute folks for some serious, obviously serious wrongdoing on January 6th.”

Trump's Insider Trading Allegations

33:50 to 34:30

Discussion on how Trump traded more stock than Congress, raising ethical concerns.

“Congress is this hornet's nest of insider trading.”

J.D. Vance's Defense of Trump

34:30 to 38:20

J.D. Vance responds to allegations regarding Trump’s stock trading practices.

“he would buy stock there, knowing that his visit there is going to bump up the share price.”

Contradictions in Trump's Policies

38:20 to 41:40

Discussion on the contradictions in Trump's approach to corruption and economic concerns.

“They made these really flamboyant promises to voters about draining the swamp and ending corruption.”

Vance on the Iran War Commentary

41:40 to 42:01

Analyzing J.D. Vance's response to Trump's comments on the American people's financial situation during the Iran war.

“Okay, now let's move on to something that Trump does actually care about, and that was enacting revenge on Thomas Massey.”
Show all 14 chapters

Analysis of Thomas Massey's Primary Loss

44:18 to 52:50

An in-depth discussion on Thomas Massey’s primary defeat and the influence of money in politics.

“Republican Thomas Massey has lost his primary in Kentucky after getting some$20 million dropped on him by pro-Israel and pro-Trump groups.”

Victories in Pennsylvania Congressional Races

52:51 to 56:00

A discussion about the successful congressional races in Pennsylvania and the implications for future elections.

“Listen to Hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.”

Chris Rabb's Stunning Victory Explained

56:00 to 1:06:48

Explore the factors leading to Chris Rabb's unexpected win in Philadelphia.

“So he'll be facing McKenzie, the Republican incumbent in the primary there.”

The Impact of AIPAC and Third Way

1:06:48 to 1:08:55

Analyze the failures of AIPAC and Third Way in the recent elections.

“Not a lot of not a lot of Fetterman fans in here.”
Hear the part that matters, and keep it.Open this episode in VO. Double tap your headphones to save a moment as you listen.
Get VO free

Transcript

Automatic transcript. May contain errors.

0:00This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. Spring has sprung and big savings are in full bloom at Menards. Visit Menards Garden Center for everything you need to get your garden growing. Choose from hundreds of beautiful, colorful flowers, lush trees and shrubs, and everything in between. Menards Garden Center is back in bloom. Stop in today to get your garden on. Check out fresh deals happening now at Menards. Save big money at Menards.

1:00you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy. Not quite. On Humor Me with Robert Smigel and Friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guests, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an acapella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to Humor Me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

1:59We need your help to build the future of independent news media, and we hope to see you at BreakingPoints.com.

2:07All right, good morning, and welcome to Breaking Points. We have an amazing show today. Emily joining us from the road. Emily, what do we got for people today?

2:17Emily Jashinsky:Boy, we got a lot. I'm excited to get your reaction to some of these Trump comments on Iran from yesterday, Ryan. He actually took reporters over to the site of the ballroom construction, and answer questions about Iran. We have some updates from the Middle East that we absolutely want to get into. Ryan, tell us about the B block, because this is particularly, I feel like this one's really burning you up right now. I mean, the president reached a quote-unquote settlement with himself, and by the terms of the settlement,$1.776 billion, see what he did there, is going to be set aside of taxpayer money into an unaccountable slush fund that he can dole out to himself, his family, and to anybody involved with January 6th.

3:09Sorry, not anybody involved, not the police officers, not anybody on the receiving end of the attacks, but the people who were attacking the Capitol on January 6th or would be eligible to get a bunch of compensation from this slush fund, which also comes with provisions that the IRS has never allowed to audit Trump or anybody in his family or any of their businesses. Pretty impressive, the art of the deal, I guess, you know, very impressive negotiation he did with himself there. We'll also talk about Thomas Massey, who the lead Republican who was able to get the Epstein files released after about$20 million was spent against him.

3:49He was defeated in his primary in Kentucky, last night in Philadelphia and in Lehigh Valley. Progressive candidates won. Chris Rabb in Philadelphia overcame more than$3 million of APAC spending to defeat two establishment candidates there. We'll also have, so we'll have Dave Weigel in to talk about those. We're also going to be joined by Rob Flaherty, who was a top campaign official with the 2020 Joe Biden campaign, than the 2024 Joe Biden campaign until that collapsed into the 2024 Kamala Harris campaign. He wrote a viral essay recently for the Bulwarks talking about what he told the DNC autopsy folks.

4:34So he said, look, if the people that are putting together this autopsy are going to keep this thing private, let me tell you what I told them. Here is my take. You may be here for some of that. I hope you are. I know you have to leave partway through the program. I think particularly on the she's with them, not us. I'm curious for your take on kind of his analysis of what the impact was on the campaign and what Democrats can learn from. And then we're going to talk about some interesting Ashley Sinclair accusations against Elon Musk and some and at least his claims of vote rigging. And then at the end of the program, we'll be joined by May Vong, who is taking on who's a Justice Democrats backed Democrat, who's taking on Doris Matsui in California as the left tries to expand its gains, you know, heading into heading into this general election.

5:31But let's start with President Donald Trump. So according to Amit Segal of Channel 12 News in Israel, Trump and Israel over the last several hours apparently had a, quote, what, lengthy and dramatic call. We can put up a zero. And so again, so this is coming from Amit Siegel. Trump and Netanyahu held a phone conversation last night that was described as, quote, lengthy and dramatic, unquote. Recently, Siegel goes on, it has become clear that Netanyahu believes less in the chances of reaching an agreement. That is shocking to me. And he wants a strike. Wow, Netanyahu really breaking with his past demands here.

6:13Defying all expectations. While Trump wants to turn over every stone to reach an agreement. Oh, I'm sure he absolutely does. OK, so Amit Siegel, for those following this this program closely, know that he's he's very close to Netanyahu, almost kind of a spokesperson of sorts, though he's in he's an Israeli journalist. And so that that is the kind of Netanyahu version of this of this call. We can put up a one before I think we get into this. Trump recently had said on Monday, he had said that he was going to attack Iran on Tuesday. But then I think he quickly realized that if he didn't back off of that quickly, he would have to back off of it on Tuesday.

7:00And that would mean another Taco Tuesday, which is embarrassing, more embarrassing than a Taco Monday. We put up a one here. So he has responded by saying that they have actually OK, now they have two or three days. We enroll this here. Well, I mean, I'm saying two or three days, maybe Friday, Saturday, Sunday, something, maybe early next week, a limited period of time. Because we can't let them have a nuclear weapon. If they had a nuclear weapon, they would start with Israel. They would blow it up and they would blow it up fast, but they'd blow it up. And I'll tell you what, they'd go after Saudi Arabia, they'd go after Kuwait, they'd go after UAE, they'd go after Qatar, they'd go after, I think they'd go after the entire Middle East.

7:48And it would be a whole different negotiation. It would not be, it would be, it would be nuclear holocaust. And there's no question in my mind that they'd use it. There's no question. And I deal with these people. They're extremely radicalized. These are not people like when I deal with you. All right, Emily, so he's giving them a deadline of Friday, Saturday or Sunday or maybe early next week. What do you what do you make of this lengthy and dramatic phone call between him and Netanyahu? The reporting suggests that there's some type of decision that was nearly made. Are we headed back to a hot conflict here?

8:29Emily Jashinsky:Well, I think so. I think that's something that we've been watching very closely. And I've also lost track of how many times the president has a deadline that gets shifted. And it's happened in this conflict. It's happened in obviously the tariff conversation. Ryan, correct me if I'm wrong, but it happened in the Gaza, quote, peace negotiations as well. It was always so similar. We would see this the same kind of pattern unfolding. And in this situation, though, I actually think part of what Trump is doing is he knows that it's bad for him to go back into a hot conflict. He knows that it's bad politics and he is procrastinating.

9:09Emily Jashinsky:He's trying. Maybe he doesn't think of it as procrastinating, but he is trying to do absolutely everything that he can within the sort of parameters set for a man who is a staunch ally of Netanyahu. to just, he sees the delay. Let me put it this way. He sees the delay as being better than going into action. And he's maybe just hoping something pops. But there's really nothing because of the impasse over the Strait of Hormuz and his nuclear enrichment. There's really nothing that he can do. So he's just frozen in time right now. And it just feels like inevitable because nobody's budging. Nobody has any reason to budge, basically.

9:51We do seem to be stuck in this really kind of brutal, it's not even an escalation trap at this point, it's just kind of a trap. Yeah, because Trump Trump knows at this point that if he attacks again. Iran is going to, you know, rather mercilessly launch a regional assault, as they have said that they would on everybody that he just named in that clip. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the UAE, Bahrain. And they've also alluded to cutting the undersea cables, which would disrupt Internet traffic throughout the entire region. And so he knows if he does that, even for just a, you know, this limited strike that he keeps being urged to do, which is what apparently we were going to do, what, 60, 70 days ago when the war started, just a limited strike.

10:47And at the time, Iran said, no, if you do that, we're going to turn this into a regional war. They did. So he kind of knows that if he does that, then he's trapped in this conflict that he can't win because we've already shown that with our full capacity of ammo and multiple aircraft carrier fleets and our bases not yet destroyed, we were not able to kind of abuse them into submission. So the idea that we'd be able to do it when we're now in a weaker position is silly. So he knows he can't. He knows that would lead to more conflict. But if he withdraws at this point, then everything was for naught.

11:22Everything was useless because he has no agreement. They control the Strait of Hormuz. The only thing that he could do, it seems to me, is reach an agreement. And the Iranians have said, we're willing to give you a deal that's better than the JCPOA because they understand his psychology. He needs something better than Obama got. Otherwise, how thoroughly embarrassing is that entire thing? So I don't know if Trump has the kind of emotional capacity to work his way through this. But to put some kind of meat on the bones of what's going on back and forth here, we can put up A4 here. This is from Amwaj Media, Muhammad Ali Shabani.

12:05So this is a very good kind of thorough rundown of what has actually happened back and forth. So the Trump team sent the Iranians an 11-point proposal. Iran added three points and sent it back. The 14 points include U.S. military withdrawal from Iran's immediate vicinity, end of the naval blockade, lifting of oil sale restrictions within 30 days of initial agreement, and a governing arrangement for Hormuz, which would mean that Iran would roughly stay in control of it. Iran offered then to downblend some of its stockpile of the enriched uranium, send some of it out of the country, but with a guarantee that if the U.S.

12:45reneges on the deal, it would then come immediately back. Trump wants a 20-year suspension of enrichment. They have agreed to something less than that, but a significant kind of pause. So Iran has agreed to a significant years-long pause of enrichment. But Iran is saying that they'll only discuss it once this deal has been reached because they don't trust Trump. Go ahead, Emily.

13:11Emily Jashinsky:Well, as I said, this is exactly where we found ourselves for the last several weeks because when Trump seemed like he was on the cusp of a real potential deal, it was absolutely slammed by Lindsey Graham and the Lindsey Graham world, people in that camp who were furious about the potential. It is absolutely unacceptable to provide any sanctions relief. And this is exactly why I think, Ryan, we're seeing right now Trump just my sense is that he's he's hoping something changes while he waits it out. Maybe that the government falls. That's this is the only explanation I can imagine in in his mind or in the situation room.

13:54Emily Jashinsky:Not that it's easy to get into his mind, but it's that they believe it's possible. Maybe they have some intelligence, whatever, that the government is fragile and there could be a real threat to the regime coming up or just that something changes, that there's there's some event that changes the negotiation because Trump knows how disastrous the politics of going back in are. He's obsessed with polls. He's looking at the polls. And he knows that a hot conflict already has been bad and it would be worse if it escalated. But he has no choice. It's either face the scorn of Lindsey Graham, Netanyahu, all of these people who you decided to listen to to get into this war in the first place and have surrounded yourself with.

14:39Emily Jashinsky:Mark Levin was another person who was freaking out about that deal when it was on the table. And so you can choose to confront them, upset them, infuriate them, enrage them, or you can wait it out or you can go back into hot conflict. That also, by the way, is not, I mean, from our perspectives, this is obvious, but it's not a good option even from his perspective because there's no end in sight with that. There's no guaranteed end in sight with that either. So it's a complete disaster. or it's a complete trap that he finds himself in. And what he'd much rather be doing quite clearly is working on the drapes for the ballroom.

15:17Even as he's discussing this war, you see the construction site in the background. And the main thing he seemed to want to talk to the reporters about was that. Let's roll A2. This is the president of the United States. So here's a couple of things you can look at. How are you? All right? There will never be another thing like this, I don't believe, Bill, from a court standpoint. This is all my money and donors' money. This is tax-free. So everyone's talking about they're going to give money, they're going to give money. The money they're going to give is really for the security of that and the whole White House premise.

16:00And I guess you probably need that nowadays. We've done the fencing on the outside of the White House. It's all titanium. You see the black fencing, that's been just done recently, and it was approved originally by me, and it's been completed, and it's very powerful, very powerful. A tractor, a bulldozer, cannot knock it over. It goes down deep, and it's titanium, which is the strongest of all of the metals, much stronger than steel, as an example. The ballroom is all, it's going to be a tremendous, tremendous thing. As an example, what happened a couple of weeks ago at the White House Correspondents' Center could not happen here.

16:38We're way ahead of schedule here, but we went down six stories. It's unheard of. It's actually far more complex than what the easy part is up. But again, we have a drone-proof roof. We have all, it's all sealed. And all of this that you see is totally sealed. And we use it as a drone for it. We can have unlimited drones up there. And drones are what's happening right now. Thank you all for it. Thank you, Mr. President. And so, Emily, it's interesting is you actually had a bunch of people being tagged as conspiracy theorists who were saying, you know, I'm looking at the contractors working on this ballroom.

17:12I'm looking at the hole that they're digging. I'm looking at where all the dirt is winding up. Like this is an enormous amount of dirt winding up at the golf course nearby. There is a lot more getting built here than just a ballroom. And I remember looking at it and thinking, well, how is this even a conspiracy? Like, of course, like, of course, this is this is what the White House is doing, like building a gigantic bunker. This whole drone port thing is a is an interesting little twist that Trump is throwing onto it. But, yeah, I mean, I would imagine you assumed as well, like, yeah, that they're going to that they're building kind of a just massive situation room on steroids underneath this ballroom.

17:51Emily Jashinsky:Well, I think anytime you're doing significant construction in the White House, there's going to be something weird that the public doesn't really know about going up beneath the surface. But that clip, it's just I said this about something else a couple of weeks ago, and it doesn't even compare to what we just saw from him. He puts now watch this drive to shame. He's constantly this is like the now watch this drive presidency. presidency uh and that's obviously the famous clip of george w bush answering questions about the iraq war and then saying now watch this drive i'm just taking a big swing at his golf ball uh that is i mean he's he's in front of his ballroom construction talking about how titanium is as this is one of the best metals and it's just like unbelievable like 13 american soldiers have died how many civilians were lost in that original girls school strike uh and that's continued into It's a life and death situation.

18:48Emily Jashinsky:People are paying five dollars a gallon for gas. It's just I mean, yes, it's Trump. So we're numb to it and kind of get it. But we're also in a war now. And he's out there just pleased as can be to talk about the construction. And it's almost too over the top, like the most famous line from somebody out of touch who eventually got beheaded. let them eat cake. That is less out of touch, I feel like, than the amount of focus that he has on an actual ballroom while he's burning the country and its finances to the ground. It's truly incredible. If you try to write this, people would be like, stop.

19:36A billion dollar ballroom and that's his main focus? Impossible.

19:44Emily Jashinsky:And he also is not even just the concept of the ballroom, the concept of the plan of the ballroom, because I actually don't think it's indefensible that you would build a ballroom. Now, this particular ballroom. You know what? I'm actually pro ballroom. Build a ballroom. This particular ballroom, you know, I think it's might not look great. Let's put it that way. It might not look great. But he's so obsessed with the process of the ballroom. And it's not just the ballroom either. They're like, that's, we're now looking at the arch and all of those other things. So anyway, before I sound too much like Bluenon, it is just remarkable to be in a war and watch him fixate.

20:23Emily Jashinsky:Even, I think Ryan, maybe it's escalated during the war because he's obsessed with legacy building. And he knows, you know, he's juggling one real threat to his legacy, which he sees as an opportunity for his legacy, but also understands that it's risky and it's a threat. But juggling that alongside his efforts to just physically beautify D.C. and the White House and just put his stamp on American history. It's it's very it's I shouldn't say it's strange because, again, you see his logic, but it's it's weird to watch. It's strange to watch it happen in real time. Yeah, I wish that that's all he was doing.

21:00Like, if that's all he was doing, like, just go for it, man. Just do it. Meanwhile, there is legislation on the Hill now that he desperately wants passed to get funding for ICE and CBP that is held up because he is demanding that his party vote for this billion dollars for this ballroom, which they don't want to do because they were told repeatedly, don't worry, I'm doing all of these shakedowns of my donors and they're going to pay for this ballroom. and now all of a sudden it's a billion dollars, they're going to have to put their name to that. And they don't want to do that. And so now Trump is holding up, Trump is basically using ICE and CBP as hostages to try to get his ballroom spending.

21:43Emily Jashinsky:Well, and I know we're going to talk about the elections, but we should also note that he has two lame duck senators now that are motivated to vote against him, and Tom Tillis and Bill Cassidy, because they faced threats from MAGA. And so it's kind of already, I mean, if we assume Dems take over the House and the Senate, we'll look back on this period. Maybe they don't take over the Senate, but we'll look back on this period as the beginning of the lame duck after these primaries. Interestingly enough, because of what's happened in the Senate between obviously Tom Tillis was already in that position.

22:14Emily Jashinsky:He was retiring. But now with Bill Cassidy, that's a that is a blow if he starts voting against the president. And he's already indicated that he's trying to extract concessions now that he's been kind of pushed by MAGA out of the Senate. Yeah. And Cassidy just voted for the Iran war resolution to put a fine point on that. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast. Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Yeah, a pretty wide range of podcasts.

22:51We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with the name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, hey, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

23:25But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey, Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy. Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guests, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an acapella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to Humor Me with Robert Smigel and friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

24:06Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. Getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is. getting a new one put up in its place. As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the Civil War. To get to school, I had to go down Robert E. Lee Boulevard. To get to the grocery store, I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway. If you're a historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job. I'm Akilah Hughes, and Rebel Spirit Season 2 goes deep on both of those things.

24:37The fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal campaign to add something to the Kentucky Statehouse that's actually worth the wall space. We are more than our bodies. We contain essence. We contain spirit.

24:51Emily Jashinsky:How do you represent that? They are just fueling a fire that is really catching. You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's move on to this other slush fund. Maybe Trump should just fund his ballroom out of the money he just stole from the IRS. Uh, so Trump for, you guys are gonna have to like Google this cause I think like nobody would even believe it. Like I can't even believe that I'm saying it. So Trump sued the IRS for$10 billion for, because, because some of his tax returns, uh, became public. Uh, they leaked to the New York times, the New York times.

25:36Yeah. So a judge was about to throw out this lawsuit because the judge was like, Hey buddy, like you control the IRS and you control the DOJ. You're all parties of this. You're the president of the United States. You can't do this. That was about to happen. Trump says, no, no, no, guys, you need to sit in a room and come up with a settlement. So Trump comes up with a settlement with the IRS where the IRS says, we're going to create a Trump truth and justice fund. We're going to put$1.776 billion of taxpayer money into it that can be distributed by you to anybody you want to go towards people who you believe were wronged by federal prosecution, such as yourself and anybody in your family and anybody involved in January 6th.

Read the full transcript

26:28And in the future, none of you, neither you nor any of your family or organizations affiliated with your family can be subject to IRS audits. Like that's the agreement that he forced the IRS to reach. That's actually pretty big chunk of the IRS budget, by the way. so jd vance now is taking incoming from this it's always fun to hear kind of jd vance turn what trump's doing into like eloquent paragraphs so let's let's see how he manages some of this let's roll b1 i understand that everybody is eligible to apply for this one i mean you're eligible but i assume you're not going to apply and you don't think you should get money out of this of course so isn't it just as easy to say that people that attacked police officers should not get taxpayer money from this phone?

27:19Well, look, John, we're not trying to give money to anybody who attacked a police officer. We're trying to give money, not give money. We're trying to compensate people where the book was thrown at them. They were mistreated by the legal system. Sometimes, you know, we are, we do have John in this, in this country, innocent until proven guilty. We do have people who were accused of attacking law enforcement officers. That doesn't, That doesn't mean that we're going to completely ignore some of the claims that they're going to make. We're going to evaluate these things on a case-by-case basis. And if we think that somebody, whatever they were accused of, if we think that somebody was unfairly prosecuted and deserves just compensation, then that's what this fund is going to exist to provide.

28:03It's just going to correct a wrong. And I think that's a good thing. And I'd encourage everybody, Democrat, Republican, independent, let's turn the page on this thing that we did under the last administration where we tried to throw people in prison because they had the wrong politics. Let's throw people in prison who broke the law. I think this fund is a good part of getting justice for the people who are wrongly treated. So, Emily, do you want to hear how Trump formulated a response to that or do you have any thoughts on J.D. Vance's reply there first?

28:32Emily Jashinsky:Well, no, let's kick to Trump, but also just note that J.D. Vance was, if you're listening to this, that quote was from the White House briefing room. J.D. Vance did a press briefing yesterday, which is itself interesting because Marco Rubio did one not long ago. So while they're filling in for Caroline Levitt, Rubio goes, then not long after, a couple weeks later, Vance steps in. So I think probably worth noting a little sign of jockeying there, too. But let's take a listen to the president. The Justice Department has this new fund that was announced today,$1.7 billion. Why should taxpayers pay for the January 6th?

29:08Well, it's been very well received, I have to tell you. I know very little about it. I wasn't involved in the whole creation of it and the negotiation. But this is reimbursing people that were horribly treated, horribly treated. It's anti-weaponization. They've been weaponized. They've been, in some cases, imprisoned wrongly. They paid legal fees that they didn't have. They've gone bankrupt. Their lives have been destroyed. And they turn out to be right. I mean, it was a terrible period of time in the history of our country. And they worked on it. I know the Justice Department, it's really been working on it very hard.

29:44There's been numerous other occasions over the years where things like this have been done. But these were people that were weaponized and really treated brutally by a system that was so corrupt, with corrupt people running it. and they're getting reimbursed for their legal fees and the other things that they had to suffer.

30:01Emily Jashinsky:Brent, I was just going to say, both Trump and Vance are correct that people were wronged in the rush to prosecute folks for some serious, obviously serious wrongdoing on January 6th. There was a huge dragnet. There were some wild over prosecutions and political abuses that came afterwards. What you then have to trust them to do, and maybe you can help us break down what we know about the mechanics of the slush fund so far, but you have to then put your trust in this slush fund and its managers, which are essentially, it's a board of what, like five to six people with allegedly there will be some congressional representative that is supposed to provide oversight.

30:44Emily Jashinsky:I think Todd Blanche is on the board. You then have to trust that this is just going to be used for the people who were caught in the dragnet, who were over prosecuted and not for anything that's political favor related, because we haven't seen any evidence of this administration doing anything like that, self-dealing and the like. So they're asking for an enormous amount of trust for people to buy that it is really just going to be used to correct some of the legitimate wrongs. Right. And they've done really nothing to earn that trust. When Trump came in and did this, did his blanket pardon of everybody, basically everybody, there was this amazing moment in the White House and the Oval Office where a reporter said, But hey, you know, you didn't pardon just the people who, you know, were nonviolent.

31:40And after the Capitol had been sacked and police were like letting people in, you know, they walked in, walked around a little bit and walked back out. And if the police kind of wave you in, to me, you actually shouldn't be prosecuted for that if you didn't have anything to do with the reason that they're now waving you in, which was the violent assault on the Capitol. But what the reporter said to Trump is like it wasn't just those people and named named one guy who, you know, nearly killed a police officer, nearly beat him to death and was let out as a result of this. And Trump said, oh, did I do that?

32:12I'll look at I'll I'll look into that and then just move and then just moved on. So what do you mean you'll look into it like you are you've already done it? And also we know you're not going to look into it. Has he looked into it? No, he hasn't looked into it. Now, a decent number of these J6ers have been arrested subsequently for other acts of violence. I wonder if that's going to hinder their ability to cash in on some of this money. But can you imagine if Democrats in the 2024 campaign put out an ad saying that if Trump wins, he's going to create an illegal fund of nearly$2 billion and he's going to pay it out to himself and to January Sixers?

32:55Can you imagine if they said that? I would have been like, that's crazy. How could you? I understand you got some problems with Trump. But on what planet would anybody be that unpatriotic, that insane? Like, stop. There's no way he's going to do that. Clearly, I deeply underestimated what this guy is capable of. He's coming up with new avenues of depravity that were like previously kind of inconceivable. And actually, the stock trading is a good one. Vance just getting hammered with all of Trump's stuff. So Donald Trump in the first quarter of this last year traded more stocks than all of Congress combined for like the entire year.

33:49Think about that. Congress is this hornet's nest of insider trading. And Trump, on his own in three months, did more trading than them. And explicitly did his trade. Go ahead.

34:04Emily Jashinsky:It's through a broker, right? And not that that makes it better. It actually is a good reason, I think, that some of these attacks. He's not on Ameritrade, like, execute on the trade. But yeah, like he's trading, he's buying Nvidia stock, and then he's making an announcement about NVIDIA. He's buying a Palantir. Whenever he would visit a factory and encourage people to invest in that factory, like that day or the day before, he would buy stock there, knowing that his visit there is going to bump up the share price. Just an incredible harvesting of other people's money. Well, also just a really great illustration of why some of these efforts, the only reason I brought that up is some of the efforts to, quote, ban congressional stock trading.

34:48Emily Jashinsky:It has to be banned completely for public servants because they'll just say, oh, I put it in a blind thing or I'm doing it through a broker. I've got nothing to do with the broker. That excuse never has much credibility. I think he posted on True Social that caught people's eye. What was this a couple of months ago? He posted Palantir, but then in parentheses, the stock abbreviation for it. Did you see this? People were like, why did he do that? And then it turns out around the same time he was buying Palantir. Yes, truly incredible. So let's hear how J.D. Vance responds to this one. The question, sir, is how can you and your administration argue to Americans that you're cleaning up corruption, you're preventing fraud, you're fighting the sorts of things that harm people, and people's financial situations when the president seems to be talking up stocks that he owns, selling them and enriching himself.

35:50Okay. So here, let me, let me, let me answer your question here. That was a doozy. Before I answer your question, I want to just observe, there are different ways to ask a question. Okay. You can just ask a question and try to get your answer, or you could do like a speech where you say, you know, Mr. Vice President, every, you know, you're, you're, you're a terrible human being. And so is the president. So is the entire cabinet. And then I'm like, what's your question? And then your question is, how dare you? Come on, man. Have a little bit of objectivity in the way that you ask these questions, because there were a lot of things in that speech masquerading as a question that didn't actually get asked.

36:26OK, number one, the president doesn't sit at the Oval Office on his computer, on his like Robin Hood account, buying and selling stocks. That's absurd. He has independent wealth of divisors who manage his money. He is a wealthy person. He has had success in business. He's not making these stock trades himself. And your question imputes that. It sort of it doesn't say it exactly. But a reasonable person listening to that question would assume the president is sitting around and doing that. He's not. Second of all, you're right. I am a big fan of banning members of Congress from trading stocks. So is the president of the United States.

37:01all of us believe that nobody should be taking proprietary information gained from public service and buying and selling stocks. We want to ban that process. And I think the way to lead by example is banning that process, banning that approach and making it illegal, which is exactly what the president has proposed doing. I mean, having a broker doesn't mean you can't call the broker and say, buy a million dollars worth of NVIDIA. Like, it's just a coincidence that the broker is buying these stocks of these companies that he's visiting that day or the day or he's buying them the day before. If he has the best broker on the planet, if he's not taking direction from Trump and he just keeps nailing like the timing of these trades, then this this broker needs needs his own, you know, CNBC show because guys got incredible foresight.

37:54Emily Jashinsky:You can compete with Kramer. He may actually be better. Yeah, it's the way Vance responded is also, I don't know if it's a tell, but it's so frustrating nonetheless. Because, yes, this is, I mean, Drain the Swamp is, other than build the wall, like the most memorable tagline of the last 10 years of MAGA. And they made these really flamboyant promises to voters in 2024, also in 2020 and in 2016, but particularly the 2024 campaign, which J.D. Vance was a part of. They made these really flamboyant promises to voters about draining the swamp and ending corruption. And as we've been discussing this morning, it has been like pedal to the metal on self-dealing from Trump himself.

38:43Emily Jashinsky:You know, Kristal and Sager talked about that great Isaac Saul piece that kind of wrapped up all of the not even hidden or like investigated investigative journalism type stories, but like actual just like they're just coming out and saying it type corruption stories in the last several months. but just the first year, almost a year and a half of the second Trump administration. There's no plausible, no, like Doge was their drain the swamp mechanism. They didn't, as Steve Bannon said, cross the river and go to the Pentagon. They never did that. They're in fact asking for a bigger Pentagon budget.

39:22Emily Jashinsky:So it's a stark contrast. And I think, you know, Vance is aware of the contradictions and was trying to be pretty smooth there to get around it. But it's something you just can't get around. All right. Let's finish with a J.D. Vance hat trick. So Trump has also said multiple times in the last week that when it comes to the Iran war, he doesn't think even a little bit about the American people's financial situation. You may say to yourself, that doesn't sound like somebody who cares about the American people's financial situation. So let's see how J.D. Vance responded to this one. Just to follow up on the war, you last week denied that the president said he was not taking Americans' financial situations into consideration when he's making decisions on the Iran war.

40:12Emily Jashinsky:He was asked about that again. He stood by it, called it a perfect statement and said he would make it again. Do you believe that Americans' financial situations should be taken into consideration when you're making decisions as an administration? See, Caitlin, what you did is you misrepresented the question that I was asked, and then you misrepresented the answer that I gave. What I said is that a question that was asked where the president allegedly, he allegedly said that he didn't care about Americans' financial situations, he never said that. What he said is that when he, it was totally taken out of context.

40:43What he said is that when he is negotiating with the Iranians, he's focused on the national security objectives that he's trying to achieve. Of course, the president has a mandate to be focused on a number of things. And I guarantee you every single day I have conversations with him about it. Every single day he's worried about his fellow Americans. He wants them to be prosperous. He wants them to thrive. He wants them to have good jobs. That's why we've done the things and taken the steps that we've taken in order to create record job growth, in order to create record wage growth, in order to induce trillions of dollars of new investment into our country.

41:17That's because he cares about that stuff. What he also said is that when he's talking to the Iranians, he's talking to the Iranians about questions, of course, of national security, like their nuclear program. You could hold two thoughts in your head at the same time, that the president cares about financial security for Americans. but also when he's negotiating with the Iranians, he's talking about the issues that are germane to the concerns of that particular conflict. Sure, J.D. Okay, now let's move on to something that Trump does actually care about, and that was enacting revenge on Thomas Massey.

41:48That's up next. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, Nick? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with the name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.

42:26This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy. Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.

43:02This week, my guests, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an acapella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to Humor Me with Robert Smigel and friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. Getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is. getting a new one put up in its place. As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the Civil War.

43:37To get to school, I had to go down Robert E. Lee Boulevard. To get to the grocery store, I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway. If you're a historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job. I'm Akilah Hughes, and Rebel Spirit Season 2 goes deep on both of those things. The fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal campaign to add something to the Kentucky Statehouse that's actually worth the wall space.

44:01Emily Jashinsky:We are more than our bodies. We contain essence. We contain spirit. How do you represent that? They are just fueling a fire that is really catching. You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Republican Thomas Massey has lost his primary in Kentucky after getting some$20 million dropped on him by pro-Israel and pro-Trump groups. You can put up C1 here. It looks like in the end we're going to be staring at roughly, what, a 10 ,000-vote margin. A guy named, what, Ed Gowrein, who don't anybody commit this guy's name to memory because I don't think we're going to hear much about him going forward.

44:50His role was to put his name on the ballot, be a Navy SEAL, and have tens of millions of dollars in commercials attack Massey and boost him. He skipped basically every debate, did very little campaigning, but this wasn't about that sort of election. This was about knocking him out of office. Massey conceded last night. Let's roll C2 here. I would have come out sooner, but I had to call my opponent and concede, and it took a while to find Ed Galrine in Tel Aviv.

45:34I did get the call three of you. I have called and conceded the race. We've been honorable the whole time, and we're going to stay that way. 20-8!

45:45Emily Jashinsky:20-8! 20-8! 20-8! 20-8!

45:56What happens in 2028? You want me to run for Congress again?

46:11I don't know what you're talking about.

46:22President, President, President, President, President, President, President, President, President, President. All right. Well, you made a compelling argument. You spoke your piece, but I need a medical margarita right now. And we'll talk about it later. So of the two leading Republicans who pushed for the opening of the Epstein files, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Thomas Massey, they're both now out. Emily, what happened here? What's going on?

46:57Emily Jashinsky:Well, can we put the APAC tweet up? I want to say this is the third element. Yep, this tells you what happened. APAC says, Ed Galrines' victory in Kentucky and Clay Fuller's win in Georgia. Ensures two outspoken pro-Israel voices are positioned to fill seats previously held by outspoken detractors, Thomas Massey and Marjorie Taylor Greene. And then here's the important part of this tweet. quote, our community was proud to help pro-Israel candidates win these races. Now, this is the big difference between every other primary that Thomas Massey has run in and the primary this year. Thomas Massey, of course, did vote against the one big, beautiful bill last year, but Thomas Massey has bucked Trump on other big bills before.

47:37Emily Jashinsky:Trump first came out against Massey when he was bucking Trump on COVID, the COVID relief package, huge, big ticket part of the Trump presidency. Massey goes up against him. And Trump says this guy, he basically was insulting Massey. Massey gets a primary challenge. But over and over again, I just pulled some of the results in his primaries. This is 2024, 76%. So after that happened, he wins his primary by 76%. This is 2022. 75 % he wins his primary. 75%. This is 2020. June 23rd, 2020. 81%. He won his primary by 81%. So$32 million goes into Kentucky's 4th District. This is according to the Wall Street Journal to a primary in Kentucky's 4th District.

48:30Emily Jashinsky:$13.5 million for Massey,$18.6 million for Galrine. And again, reading from the journal here, quote, The super PAC led by Trump strategist Chris LaCivita and pollster Tony Fabrizio released an ad this month accusing Massey of being in a throuple with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar. The super PAC receives funding from hawkers pro-Israel hedge fund billionaires Paul Singer, John Paulson, and a group funded by wealthy donor Miriam Adelson, according to campaign filings. And then again, you see AIPAC claiming that they helped. Well, yes, Ryan, you've been reporting on this happening to the left for a long time.

49:06But without this money, this primary, like all things being constant, Trump has criticized Massey before and very, very sharply.

49:16Emily Jashinsky:Massey has gone against Trump before on a big picture piece of legislation, a big ticket piece of legislation with COVID relief. Yes. Again, I get it. I actually think they're totally it makes sense that there are people in Massey world who are Trump voters. I wouldn't agree with them. But in Kentucky's fourth district to say you voted against that bill that secured the border or provided immigration enforcement, whatever. I get it. He's been on a lot of podcasts. They see him as somebody who's like leaning into media appearances and that sort of thing. So I see where people are coming from. But the big difference here, money, money, money, money.

49:54Emily Jashinsky:That's it. And Ryan, you can tell us when that money comes in from these sources that the money is coming in from, it was about one issue. Right. It was about one issue. But as you said, that wasn't the issue that played out on the airwaves. the ad about the throuple is incredible like a lot of these ads that they were running were AI generated and one of them has like CCTV fake CCTV footage in a hotel room showing Thomas Massey going to a hotel clerk holding hands with like AOC and Ilhan Omar and then shows them like walking into a hotel room and I think they would if they were forced to defend it, they would say, well, we mean metaphorically he's in bed with Democrats because he votes on the same way with them sometimes.

50:44But I, you know, he lost by like 30, 40 points among people 65 and up. People 65 and up sitting at home watching that, watching that ad would not believe, I don't think, that it was AI generated. Like they thought they were being told what they were actually being told. So I think it's a really good point. So just to put a fine point on it, because I know you got to run. Trump, let's say Trump comes against Massey, but there isn't$20 million spent against him because of his criticism of Israel, because of his release of the Epstein files. Does Massey hold on in your counterfactual world where it's only Trump and not Adelson and Paul Singer and the rest of the APAC world?

51:27Emily Jashinsky:I think absolutely yes. And this is, I just want to put up on the screen before we run C4. The first time I interviewed Massey was back when I was with the Washington Examiner in 2017. And this quote that he gave us, it wasn't even a question I asked. I was just the one who wrote up the piece. It was, he said, basically, when he had been campaigning in 2012 with Ron Paul and Rand Paul, he made the mistake of thinking, wow, all these people are just really excited about libertarian values and realized ultimately that they were when trump came around this was the same people supporting trump and they were just looking for quote the craziest son of a bitch in the race and this quote made it into books and the like it's it's become somewhat famous um as for people who like study the maga movement and i think what it says at the end of the day is that for a lot of those people trump is still the craziest son of a bitch in the race.

52:20Emily Jashinsky:And they still have that, uh, like trust in him above others. And that is one of the big takeaways. It's like the Trump loyalty test is still what those APAC groups or the APAC and the, uh, pro Israel groups used ultimately to get at Massey. Uh, it wasn't, you've covered this many times. It wasn't about Israel in the airwaves. All right. Well, Emily, thanks for being here and happy travels. Thank you.

53:13up with the name hey jonas guys i honestly don't remember i think it was on a call about what we should call it and well we were thinking i'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before jonas brothers was this is how you guys remember it going down yes i have a very different memory of this we were talking about a thing a bit for the podcast people could call in and say hey jonas and then i wrote down on my little notepad hey jonas and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

53:50Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy. Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guests, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an acapella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to Humor Me with Robert Smigel and friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Keith Giamanca seemed like a mild-mannered suburban dad, but secretly he became someone else, a master of disguise who went on a crime spree.

54:35At the time, did it seem like a crazy idea? It seemed very crazy, but I felt so desperate that I felt it was the quickest, easiest way out. Did you allow yourself to think about how it could go wrong and what that might look like? No, I didn't want to manifest that. I was trying to manifest success. Every family has its secrets, but what happens when you discover that your dad has been living a double life? That is not the look of an innocent man. This is going to change my life and my family dynamic forever, because everything that had existed prior in my reality is now untrue. Listen to Deep Cover, The Family Man, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

55:33So in two competitive congressional races in Pennsylvania, Bob Brooks in the Lehigh Valley overcame, I think, more than a million dollars in kind of fake Republican spending where they were trying to kind of uplift an unelectable Democrat. They're doing the same thing in Texas with this lunatic lady who's calling for concentration camps. And they failed. Bob Brooks, the firefighter union guy from Allentown, Pennsylvania, comfortably won his election. So he'll be facing McKenzie, the Republican incumbent in the primary there. But more importantly, probably to the national conversation down in Philadelphia in an open race, Chris Rabb, and we can put this element up on the screen, emerged victorious.

56:16Not even that close by the end of it. Almost 45 percent of the vote for Chris Rabb, Democratic Socialist, against 29.5 percent for Sharif Street. And then Alice Stanford, a physician who had been the front runner, down at 24 percent. And so this is a rather stunning victory. Two months ago, you would not have, you know, we were covering Chris Rabb two months ago, but you would not have said that he was kind of remotely even in contention. A lot had to come together for him to be able to win. I think primarily Summer Lee deserves an enormous amount of credit in this election. She's the kind of DSA-backed, although she's had a complicated relationship with DSA Pittsburgh.

57:08She's the member of Congress from Pittsburgh, way across the other side of the state. She came over. She was the first member of Congress to endorse Chris Rab and really and did a lot of kind of recruiting and organizing on on his behalf. And to to really say, no, this this is a winnable race. We we need we need to get in here. You then had the Working Families Party and DSA Philadelphia getting behind Rab. Rab, both DSA, Philly, or Philly DSA and Working Families Party have done a lot of work in previous cycles in down-ballot races and city council races and elsewhere that built a lot of foundation for Chris Rab to then run on Rab, a state representative, who himself ran a great campaign and is an impressive candidate.

58:00and had built relationships kind of in the populist progressive and DSA world over the years so that when the moment came, he was able to capitalize on it in a way that he might not otherwise have been. You also had this new pro-Palestine PAC, which is capitalized with something like 10 million bucks, which is largely kind of Muslim donors around the country saying, we need to get politically active in a way that can counteract APAC. And the PAC is called American Priorities. They came in and spent about 500, a little less than$500 ,000 getting behind him. That type of money in a race like this can really put you over the top.

58:44WFP also kicked in about$500 ,000, the Congressional Progressive Caucus PAC. There was a lot of people kind of flooded in to try to match AIPAC here. So on the other side, you had this candidate, Alice Stanford, who rose to prominence in Philadelphia because of her kind of heroic work on the front lines during the COVID pandemic. She then had the support of this group called 314 Action, which supports doctors and scientists. But as we had reported here back Back in 2024, AIPAC used 314 action to secretly funnel a lot of money against Sushila Jayapal in this Portland, Oregon race, also at the time backing a pediatrician.

59:30Um, it turned out and we reported at the time and it was, it was later confirmed that through a variety of, um, different kind of shady blind vehicles, uh, they had been, they had been funding pro pro Israel and APAC money, um, into, into 314 action. They were able to beat Sushila Jayapal, who was Pramila Jayapal, represented Pramila Jayapal's sister. In this race, the 314 action spent more than$3 million. And you can go read our story over at Dropsite to explain the intricacies of how this kind of pro-Israel money was funneled through 314 action. AIPAC continues to deny it. They'll continue to have to release different reports.

1:00:11Some of the money came from this. They move it from a foundation into then another thing called EDW Action, which has previously been used as an APAC front group. And then EDW Action then gives it the 314 Action. The other reason that you can know that this is APAC is that they're the only organization that does this. Crypto, AI, and, you know, say big oil, tech, like any of these other PACs or super PACs or industries that are spending in these races, when they do it, so far, they do it with their chest. Like crypto and AI, for instance, are the only ones that can kind of match APAC and pro-Israel money when it comes to spending in these primaries.

1:01:00But so far, their brands are not so toxic. I think they should be. But their brands are not so toxic that they have to hide where the money is coming from. So the crypto packs will be crypto packs. The AI packs will be AI super packs. And so even though they don't kind of run ads on the issue of crypto or on the issue of AI, they will do negative ads about whatever they think will destroy their opponent or they'll do positive ads on whatever they think will uplift the person that they're supporting. They will stay at the bottom like who they are. And so the only super PACs at this point that are hiding the source, the actual kind of issue area behind them, at this point is APAC.

1:01:49They did this a bunch in Illinois in those races that we covered there, and they did it again here. The three plus million dollars that they spent on behalf of all of Stanford that they continue to deny having spent makes up something like 50 percent of all the money that 314 action spent across the country. 314 action, they normally spend nothing and just endorse or they'll spend$10 ,000 or they'll spend maybe up to like$100 ,000. That's typically how they do it. The only time they've really ever come in and done millions is when AIPAC is behind it. Now, you may remember that Alice Stanford completely fell apart, not because she was exposed for taking APAC money, but because she did this interview on a local Fox channel where she was asked, OK, if you want to abolish ICE, who then should do immigration enforcement?

1:02:43And let's roll that again, because it precipitated one of the most incredible campaign implosions I think I've ever seen.

1:02:51Emily Jashinsky:You also said you're running to abolish ICE. This is something that we've heard other Democrats and activists talk about. Yeah. From an immigration enforcement perspective. Yes. Who do you think should be in charge of enforcing immigration laws? It's a good question. And you can pause because I just want to think about it. Well, yeah, go ahead. We need to continue, though. Okay. Who do I think should be in charge of enforcing immigration laws? Not the executive branch. So not the president. So it belongs with Congress. It belongs with Congress. After that, it was basically the end of the campaign for her.

1:03:40She stopped showing up for forums. She stopped campaigning, but there were still ads on TV for her. And Chris Rab's campaign started to worry that she might actually just straight up drop out of the race, because if she dropped out, then they were afraid all of her support would then, or a lot of her support would go over to Sharif Street, who was the son of the former mayor and a kind of well-known guy in Philadelphia. He had his own problems, though. Back in 2022, Sharif Street worked directly with Republicans in the state of Pennsylvania to reduce the number of Democratic seats in the state, but to draw himself a seat.

1:04:22So now the courts came in and blocked this from happening, but it was one of the most like kind of outrageous examples of selfishness where you're going against your party, working with Republicans simply so that you can have a more comfortable seat. And so the Working Families Party put almost$100 ,000 behind ads attacking Sharif over that scandal as he started to rise. And the mail-in voting among, which is elderly voters, more conservative types, that had all of Stanford winning. You had to get your ballots in, I think, by May 12th. But because she imploded around that time and after, there wasn't enough time for Sharif Street to come together.

1:05:08and the kind of establishment and AIPAC could never consolidate behind a single candidate, which allowed then Chris Rab to win with less than 50 percent of the vote. At his campaign rally last night, his supporters were very confident about who they had defeated. Let's roll this.

1:05:40Now, if you can hear that chanting, that was AIPAC lost. Now, the other group that lost was Third Way. Third Way is this kind of corporate centrist democratic organization that decided over the last month to make Hassan Piker the biggest issue in Democratic Party politics. Hassan Piker came out to Philadelphia and campaigned with Chris Rab after that AOC also endorsed him as well. Let's roll a little bit of Hassan Piker at his rally in Philadelphia. But the Democrats, some of them also love the very same things. They don't love you. They don't care about you. They don't care about your interests.

1:06:24And that's precisely the reason why letting your voice be heard in the primary system is almost as important, if not more important, because the Democratic Party's primary is what determines the trajectory of the Democratic Party. If you're angry because there's people like Joe Manchin, Kyrsten Sinema, people like John Fetterman. Don't say the F word. Not a lot of not a lot of Fetterman fans in here. He's no fan of mine either. He's always on Fox News yapping. And I want you to understand, I identify as a democratic socialist, but I'm running as a democrat because the system creates this narrowness.

1:07:08But there's a bunch of democrats running and we are not all the same. We are very different. We may share this label in this moment, in this system, but we are very different. So if you choose to register as a Democrat, you are not pledging allegiance to that party. You are using your power in that moment to vote for the person who you believe reflects your interests. Your interests and the interests of the communities that you hold most dear. Some of whose members cannot vote. because they may be too young, or they may not be citizens, or they may be incarcerated. There are a number of people who will not vote for any number of reasons.

1:08:04So when you're voting, you're voting for them as well. So Third Way put the spotlight on this race by putting the spotlight on Hassan Piker. The result, Chris Rapp with a resounding victory. Hassan Piker also then went out much of the chagrin of Third Way and campaigned, also AIPAC campaigned with Abdul El-Sayed, the Senate candidate in Michigan. El-Sayed was in third place when that started to happen. El-Sayed is now in first place. So just a spectacular collapse on the part of both AIPAC and Third Way here.

1:08:56Hey guys, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but you know. Tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

1:09:47We're starving for banter. Listen to Humor Me with Robert Smigel and friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeart Podcast presents Soccer Moms. So I'm Leanne. Yeah. This is my best friend, Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the hip since high school. Absolutely. A redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drinks. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer?

1:10:20Oh, they had a BOGO. Well, then you got them. Listen to Soccer Moms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human.

From the publisher

Ryan and Emily discuss Bibi pleading with Trump for more war with Iran, JD savaged by reporters over corrupt slush fund, Massie defeated, AIPAC blown out in PA. 

Rob Flaherty: https://www.nobodyknows.wtf/

Mai Vang: https://www.maiforus.com/ 

 

To become a Breaking Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show AD FREE, uncut and 1 hour early visit: www.breakingpoints.com   

Merch Store: https://shop.breakingpoints.com/   

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

More from Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

All 553 episodes
5/20/26: Bibi Begs Trump For Iran War, JD Savaged Over Slush Fund, Massie Defeated, AIPAC Blown Out In PABreaking Points with Krystal and Saagar · 1 h
Listen in VO