5/22/26: Trump Floats Being Israeli PM, DNC Autopsy, Fetterman Israel Handler & MORE!

19:22Emily Jashinsky:To Crystal's point, the chyron, while he was making this comment about getting killed by the fake news if he goes to Don's wedding, was about his arch. He was talking about his art.

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22:07Ryan Grim:He's got to stay focused, Emily. He's a little busy right now. It's not a great time. Sorry, Don Jr. Next wedding. I got you, buddy. The drapes are coming in for the ballroom. I mean, I'm just swamped here, guys. If you have the wrong drapes, it doesn't really bring the place together in the same way. It's very important. You can't, it's not the kind of thing you can outsource, you know. You've got a certain vision. You've got an eye for it. He's got to be there to evaluate the samples that are being brought in. So maybe next wedding, Don Jr., sorry. There'll be another. All right, should we move on to the DNC autopsy here, guys?

22:44Ryan Grim:Yes. Okay, so I'll go ahead and put up this Politico report on the screen if they'll let me hear. The report is so stupid. The DNC 2024 autopsy is roiling Democrats. So this has been kind of an amazing saga. They tried to cover up this report and there was lots of speculation for months as to why they weren't releasing it. Some people thought, you know, maybe it was, you know, not going to touch on certain things. Some people thought it was just a bad report. Turns out that this thing, number one, may have been semi-AI generated. It doesn't talk about, like, probably like three out of the five major issues going in to this election.

23:25I mean, it was a complete and total pile of garbage from top to bottom. What do you guys make of this report?

23:32Ryan Grim:I like to call it the DNC slop topsy. See what I did there? Yeah, I mean, it's like it's funny because there actually were some rumors floating around of people saying that, like, you know, actually, the reason they didn't put it out is just because it was really embarrassingly poorly done. I kind of thought that was cope. You know, I was like, it's probably they probably just are embarrassed by some of the things in it. Ryan's theory, which I thought was good, was that it would expose the way that all of these various high priced consultants completely failed at their jobs, might name names there in a way that will keep them from getting further lucrative contracts.

24:08Ryan Grim:But actually, it was just really that embarrassingly bad. You get to the bottom and it's like, insert conclusion here. Like they didn't even, you know, they didn't even get to the ending. it's definitely AI generated. Some of the quotes are the most, you know, AI slot. And I think it was like, it seems like an older version of AI too that doesn't even more poorly veiled, you know, where it's so obvious that this wasn't a human and it's just a bunch of consultants being gobbledygook. But to your point, doesn't even mention the word Gaza or genocide, doesn't talk about inflation, doesn't talk about Biden's advanced age.

24:49Ryan Grim:And like these are kind of, you know, these were big things that are swirling around. So apparently, you know, the head of the DNC, Ken Martin, who's under justifiably under a lot of fire right now, although I don't know, he seems like a pretty good emblem of the current Democratic Party as it's currently constituted, in my opinion. But in any case, apparently hired some guys like a friend of his. He did it, you know, using. And he only just got fired from the DNC, the guy that he hired. He was like still within the DNC operating until a couple of days ago. Right. And so they and then the way that they handled this whole thing, though, was, first of all, obviously, you didn't take seriously that you needed to learn lessons from this devastating electoral loss, insane, that you decided to do this as this like side project for one of your incompetent friends, insane to begin with.

25:36Ryan Grim:Then this the original promise was, of course, we're going to release this because why else would you do it if you're not going to release it? Then suddenly we start getting this like, well, we just need to look forward. We're not going to talk about this anymore. That, of course, creates a Streisand effect where everyone's like, all right, well, what is in this report? So you draw more attention to it. And then at the end of the day, you put out this thing that is just complete embarrassment to everybody involved. So it is a pretty stunning indictment of you've got the disastrous PR, you've got the thorough incompetence, And you have an avoidance of any of the stickier or more difficult issues from, you know, the current Democratic Party and from the past election.

26:18Ryan Grim:So it is kind of a perfect symbol of all the ways that they fail. Well, we do have some counterpoints here from the same Politico piece that I thought were kind of amazing. Here we get a quote from the centrist welcome pack saying, Ken Martin's autopsy of the autopsy was excellent. After spending a decade accepting all edits from every progressive interest group, better to just delete all DNC strategy docs and admit we need to start from scratch. Admitting incompetence is much better than denial. So we have praise of Ken Martin's autopsy of the autopsy. We also have Third Way, Jonathan Cohen here, the president of the group, saying, I think it's clear why this report was buried, because as it says in the opening, it calls for Democrats to return to the vital center.

27:01Now I understand why a lot of very Twitter-friendly, super-liberal DNC staff didn't want this to come out. So we have all of these centrist organizations coming out and saying the report, of course, proves all of their priors. Hilarious. I would suggest if people have time that we can just just to look at it for fun. There's just it has these as somebody mentioned that it has all these little red boxes that are like added by the DNC afterwards. Partly, I think sometimes for like defamation reasons where it's like we don't stand by this. Like, for instance, for the 2022 cycle, the guy writes Democrats netted two seats in the House, flipping 10 seats from the Republicans while losing eight.

27:48And then there's a red box that says data appears to be inaccurate and contradict public reporting. They didn't even accurately convey the number of seats that were won and lost.

27:59Ryan Grim:Yes. On the other hand. Basic facts. Like, I think they got wrong, like, when John Boehner left. I mean, there were all kinds of things that were just flat out wrong that no one bothered to check. But I wanted to give an example. I pulled up one of the examples of the sort of, like, AI slop slash consultant speak writing here.

28:15Emily Jashinsky:It's hard to tell the difference between AI and consultant speak. That is true.

28:19Ryan Grim:That is fair. I think AI is like trained on consultant speak, basically. But anyway, building to win requires new thinking and building to last requires thinking about more than the next election. It requires finding the best way to connect with the right voters in the right places. And if 2024 has proven anything, there is enough money to do it all the right way. Oh, that's good. Insightful.

28:40Emily Jashinsky:You know, there wasn't enough money. This was, I thought, the most interesting part was Martin in his Substack post where he dropped this report into a PDF. He said that no source material was provided because of that. Fixing it would have meant starting over from the beginning, every conversation, every interview, every data set. And you just hear a sentence like that and you think, OK, then do it. You're the DNC. You're supposed to be you have vast resources. You're supposed to be figuring out what the hell went wrong. And you're saying, oh, well, we just couldn't restart the process that my friend who I'm throwing under the bus apparently botched.

29:24Emily Jashinsky:We just had to shelve it. And then everyone went crazy. My mistake. But we simply could not have produced an autopsy. It would have been too labor intensive. Like, what an insane excuse to put into your subsac post unveiling this autopsy, presumably language that was looked at by other people at the DNC. And they were like, yes, go with that. This is the best possible excuse. The DNC simply lacked the resources to do a real autopsy.

29:53Ryan Grim:Well, and it also, I mean, obviously the whole thing is a disaster top to bottom. And the way it was handled was a complete disaster. if the product was initially not good and that was the truth of the matter, he could have been candid about that from the beginning of like, we were not satisfied with the initial product. That would probably also have created a lot of conspiracies of like, oh, you didn't like the answers you got. That's certainly what I would have thought initially if they were hiding the initial product. But he could have said, look, we got an initial product. It wasn't good enough.

30:21Ryan Grim:You know, we're going back and recircle. It's going to take a little bit more time, but we're going to put on something that we can stand behind because it contained basic factual errors, lacked the sourcing documentation, blah, blah, blah. Still not ideal, right? Ideally, you just hire someone competent and transparent and spend the money and the time to actually learn something useful out of all of this. But what a complete circus. What an absolute shitshow at this point. No lessons learned.

30:51Emily Jashinsky:Well, let's just add on a just sort of a news basis quickly. There are now people calling understandably, Like I've seen the Pod Save guys teeing off on Ken Martin. It's entirely possible that he loses his job over this. Some of the speculation is that they were actually floating in playbook this morning. John Tester, they called John Tester and he said something like, are you on illegal substances? John Tester does not want this job, former senator from Montana, apparently, but they're already looking to get Martin out. Some people are, at least, but others are defending him and saying he did the best that he could with what he was the hand that he was dealt.

31:25Emily Jashinsky:He dealt this hand. So that's a silly excuse. All this, though, really is a sideshow because the DNC is kind of a useless institution beyond setting the calendar dates and choosing the states that are going to lay out the next presidential election. That's essential. and the kind of party insiders who want to keep out like the Bernie wing, they want to keep it to places like Iowa and South Carolina that aren't competitive in the.

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34:52Ryan Grim:Yeah, just a complete cluster on every single level. Incredible. All right, so now we move on to the epic of John Fetterman and his apparent alleged Israel handler behind the scenes. So I'm going to go ahead and throw up this write-up here from New York Mag, isn't it, right? Their headline is, The man who explains Israel to John Fetterman, how a little-known writer became one of the senator's closest confidants. So this is genuinely one of the most insane stories that I've read. Basically, it outlines how like and obviously John Fetterman had the stroke and we all saw like this drastic political change after that.

35:34But it's gotten to the point where Israel is basically all that he talks about. It's all that he cares about. And apparently this guy, David Safir, is his closest confidant, has set up calls with Benjamin Netanyahu, went with him on his trip to Israel, and is sort of guiding his immorality on this topic in a deeply thorough way to the point where the rest of the staffers on John Fetterman's staff are just like confused and blown away and disturbed by the relationship. He also has sort of an unidentified background, this guy, Safir. I'll just read a little bit from the article. He describes himself publicly only as a, quote, business professional, and his employers and occupations on political donation forms have been ambiguous, including N slash A, consultant, self-employed.

36:29David has never really been forthcoming about what he does, a person close to Fetterman says. it's always like I'm in wealth management or something. So what is going on here, guys?

36:41Ryan Grim:Well, and the family has a lot of his grandfather was very influential, like pro-Israel lobbyist. And obviously the family is in the 90s and appears to be very well connected. I want to let me read a piece here just about the relationship so people can really get a sense of what we're talking about. And of course, the context here is that Fetterman has completely changed politically from when he got elected. You know, it seems like the stroke genuinely did not only damage his brain, change his personality. And this is based on some other reporting, by the way, from New York Magazine, changed his political positions.

37:14Ryan Grim:Now he's obsessed with defending Israel constantly, loves going on Fox News or whatever their issue du jour is and taking their side and being like the self-hating Democrat. In any case, he's lost a ton of his staffers. You know, they've all basically abandoned ship. He just lost his chief of staff in the past week or so. So who's filled in the gaps that leaves this huge vacuum for apparently this character to come in and fill in the gaps. So it says here, Safir, a writer of Jewish history and fundraiser for orthodox causes, has no public background in government or counseling politicians on Capitol Hill.

37:51Ryan Grim:He is not an official staffer or paid outside advisor. A few years ago, he, quote, just kind of appeared in the senator's orbit, one former Fetterman staffer remembers. And then suddenly he seemed to be everywhere. Staffers would walk into Fetterman's office only to find Safir sitting in the room. When the senator went to Israel in 2025, Safir joined him on the trip. When Fetterman filmed Real Time with Bill Maher, Safir met up with him in L.A. The two are constantly texting and talking, according to multiple former Fetterman staffers. And Safir has unofficially operated as a top campaign fundraiser and senior advisor.

38:25Ryan Grim:He's even set up and attended sensitive meetings with foreign officials. He has, in some cases, he's the only person staffing those meetings, I've been told. They give an example here. In September 2025, Fetterman and some of his senior staffers gathered at the senator's office for a meeting with Yahiel. Later, the Israeli ambassador to the United States, according to one of the staffers in attendance, Safir was inexplicably in the room, too. Far from a public event. During the meeting, Fetterman tested on a proposal to force every senator to vote on whether they think Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.

38:57Ryan Grim:Support that, actually. They should go ahead and do that. Anyway, it says they gossip freely. and Safir has been on these calls with foreign leaders, on the calls with Netanyahu, going to Israel with him. He is de facto one of Fetterman's closest advisors, even though he is, you know, not an official advisor. We don't know where he came from. He apparently just suddenly appeared in the orbit. And then I also wanted to share this other part because this ties together with, you know, what Fetterman's mental capacity is at this point. Some of the Fetterman staffers were sharing with New York Magazine, the former staffers, some of the text exchanges and the ways that Fetterman was constantly siding with Republicans.

39:37Ryan Grim:Here's one of the examples that they give here, word for word. By early this year, many on Fetterman's staff were incredulous and exhausted. In private, their boss was acting like a Republican, they say. In January, 2026, Fetterman sent to a group chat with staffers a screenshot of an article headline about how the average working family spends nearly$4 ,000 annually on health care. He texted, quote, how should it cost? Question mark. Free question mark. He complained in the text, which I obtained, quote, I don't understand what affordability it is. So we've got this brain damaged man who doesn't understand what affordability it is, who is now enthralled to this Israel-connected, you know, obsessed Zionist who's turning, just appeared from nowhere and is turning up at all these meetings and everything.

40:32Ryan Grim:Like, what the hell is going on here? He also apparently texted a different staffer that Epstein was a nothing burger. The worst pics that I've seen were from Clinton, LOL.

40:43Emily Jashinsky:It doesn't. Listen, the media was so complicit in pretending that Fetterman was fine until I think it was like an NBC interview towards the end of the race. That's how bad of a candidate Mehmet Oz was for Pennsylvania Senate. Just to be clear that John Fetterman, after his stroke, still beat Dr. Oz. We had that debate, remember? Yes. Yes. So bad. It was painful. And the debate was after early voting had started. It was a complete disaster. He is he should not be in the Senate. He is not well enough to be in the Senate. And part of the reason why we're now seeing is that people are taking advantage of him.

41:22Emily Jashinsky:They're taking advantage of his disability. It seems it's a very uncomfortable thing to say, but it seems very clear that he's been going through these depressive episodes. He's been open about that. And people who are kind to him in his like vulnerable state are getting a ton of credibility on political advisory questions with the senator. I don't think that's a Freudian read. I think it's a pretty clear read of what's been happening, that people are insinuating themselves into his circle because he's sort of vulnerable and easily manipulated. He is not operating at full capacity. He should not be in the U.S.

41:56Emily Jashinsky:Senate. That is completely obvious. And anyway, he continues to get a pass now from the right. I think I agree with you to some extent, Emily, that he's being taken advantage of. He clearly mentally is not there. He needs to be removed from the Senate. But at the same time, I don't want to take away all accountability from Fetterman because if you're going through these mental health struggles and stuff, it doesn't really help to make your sole focus in the Senate defending a genocidal rogue state and making that your entire personality and making sure that you're flipping on all these previous progressive positions and the entire party now despises you.

42:34I mean, it's like you could help yourself out a little bit on that front. Certainly. Yeah, he seems to have a kind of visceral contempt for his party at this point, which shows up in those text messages, too. And there was, you know, as Crystal mentioned, his chief of staff, his third chief of staff just quit. Holly Otter being And the Axios reporter who broke that story had reached out to Fetterman for comment. He didn't get back initially. And then afterwards, after publication, as she writes this story, he wrote back, you know, so much for the turnover argument. Clicks and, like, sent her, like, a screenshot of, like, you know, that Josh Gottheimer and some other people have, like, higher turnover.

43:17It's like, yeah, okay. You're not, like, the worst of 535, but, like, it's really bad.

43:24Ryan Grim:Gottheimer is worse. Oh, God, Godheimer is like consistently number one for staff turnover. I thought it was Klobuchar.

43:31Emily Jashinsky:It was Klobuchar. It was Kamala Harris for a while. She had a lot. Nobody goes through staff faster than Godheimer, I don't think.

43:38Ryan Grim:I appreciate him breaking that stereotype that it's the female senators who have the high turnover. Thank you, sir. Yes, we, good appearance.

43:46Emily Jashinsky:Because like women, he is also mentally ill. Okay, sorry.

43:53there was um there was one more piece of this that i wanted to read well real quick um so they say in the piece that uh when he's on capitol hill this guy safir will hang out and sit in fetterman's office all day or walk with him to the senate floor according to a former staffer after their conversations fetterman would appear far more radicalized i'm guessing specifically on israel fetterman has largely sidetracked other legislative mash uh matters according to the staffer and is now spending most of his time focusing on Israel. A few people working for Fetterman have begun to joke that he is the senator from Tel Aviv and call Safir the chief because he's apparently more powerful than the actual chief of staff.

44:29So maybe Fetterman has a future there.

44:36Although it's probably true that his approval rating in Tel Aviv is probably higher than Philadelphia. Or certainly. He won't go to Philadelphia.

44:46Emily Jashinsky:He's going to love Ed Calrion. McCormick, actually, the Republican senator from Pennsylvania recently went to Philadelphia as kind of just a try, just a taunt Fetterman. He had, like, Republicans usually don't bother going to Philadelphia because there are no votes there for them. But he went there. He hung out with the mayor. He had cheese steak. He did put out a video about it. Partly it was to taunt Fetterman who just refuses to go to Philadelphia, the biggest city in the state.

45:11Ryan Grim:I thought that McCormick and Fetterman were were buddies, though. I thought he and one of the reports was that he and Katie Britt were basically like cultivating Fetterman, again, taking advantage of his like declined mental state, hoping that he'll switch to the Republican side. Now, this article, and I kind of buy this, says they don't think that he'll switch to being a Republican because he relishes being like the, you know, pissing in the punch bowl of the Democrats, basically. And if they take control of the Senate, then he can play the role of a mansion or a cinema, only perhaps even more malevolently and certainly less, you know, with less savvy.

45:51Ryan Grim:But where they all have to come and, oh, what do you need John Fetterman to vote for this bill or that bill, et cetera, in order for Democrats to get anything through? Now, come 2028, when his term is up, like, I can't see any political. He is definitely going to lose a Democratic primary. I think he'd lose a Republican primary because it's one thing when you're the Democrat who's like saying the thing that Republicans won. But once you're actually a Republican, then it's like, OK, but you have all these other positions that don't square with the party. And we want our own like, you know, ideological MAGA person to represent us.

46:25Ryan Grim:So I don't know that that's a viable path for him. Hard to imagine him holding up in any sort of debate or public forum, certainly. So I don't know. I don't see much political future for him. But just in another sign of how his brain is complete mush at this point, according to these former staffers, he's thinking of running for president in 2028. And he thinks that maybe the right path is somebody will put him on their ticket, Democratic ticket, as the vice presidential candidate. Like, dude, everybody hates you. Like, you've destroyed your political brand. There's no chance. Not to mention, how are you not self-aware about your limitations at this point?

47:04Ryan Grim:So just really, really wild stuff.

47:09Emily Jashinsky:It's crazy. This is why people are chirping in his ear and puffing him up because he's detached from reality. He clearly is—and that's common in the Senate, actually. But he, I think, lacks the capacity to fully grasp what's happening around him. And that's really sad. His story to me is very, very sad. The things that he's talked about with his marriage and his depression, let alone how difficult it has been to just function neurologically. It's very, very sad. And the people of Pennsylvania deserve better.

47:42Ryan Grim:Yeah. Well, I admire your ability to have that compassion. I do not feel that in my heart. But I could if he were to resign his seat and say, I'm going to go get help and treatment for, you know, my current condition and not subject to the rest of us to his absolute insanity.

47:59Emily Jashinsky:And yeah, we're excited to be joined once again by Rohit Chopra, who is the incoming secretary of business and consumer in California. We have a new Fed chair being sworn in today, Kevin Warsh. And we're excited to have you here for some analysis. Thanks for coming back on the show. Thanks for having me.

48:46Emily Jashinsky:a way that obviously smacks of corruption to exert his influence in another area that has long been held up in D.C. circles as independent and so precious. Its independence is so precious. But I think you can probably help us understand the extent to which that was actually true, not from a perspective of saying, hey, Donald Trump, he's got the right idea here, but just it's another one of those cases where he's kind of putting the lie to something that probably needed to have some debunking anyway. Well, look, we should not have any one person have full and complete control of the money supply to determine who they can reward friends and punish enemies with.

49:30But I do think you hear a lot about Fed independence and there's going to be all sorts of people in Washington and Wall Street clutching their pearls that Kevin Warsh is being sworn in at the White House rather than somewhere else that seemed more cordoned off from politics. But I think there's lots of people who wonder, who has the Fed been independent from? And many question, was the Fed ever really independent from Wall Street and other owners of big financial assets? And just like everyone understands the Supreme Court is a group of nine people that is hyperpolitical, there's real talk about whether the seven people on the Fed are really just like them.

50:20And I think that does help explain a lot of why the president is drooling to take control and be able to call the shots here. Yeah.

50:31Ryan Grim:So you're moving from a situation where the Fed is very independent from the certainly Democratic whims of the people will continue to be independent from the Democratic whims of the people. But rather than being, I guess, beholden directly to Wall Street, it's more to Trump and his Silicon Valley oligarchic allies is the way I say it. You can tell me if you think that's correct. And obviously, Trump has been pushing aggressively for interest rate cuts. I mean, that's something that for me for a while has made sense, but maybe less so now with the, you know, the combination of the tariffs and then certainly with the Iran war putting upward pressure on prices.

51:08Ryan Grim:I wonder how you see the policy landscape that faces Kevin Warshish as he takes his job. Well, this past week, you have seen a real global sell off in the bond market, including of U.S. treasuries. that is going to make it much more expensive for farms and businesses and frankly, people who are just dying to figure out how to make the math work to buy a home. Interest rates are going up by normal market forces because they are seeing the price of oil and they are seeing real problems in the global economy. So I don't know if the Fed is really going to be able to fix this. Here's what I do know, though.

51:52Wall Street is pricing in that somehow they will pull a rabbit out of a hat because the stock market keeps going up and up and up. So at some point, you got to wonder when is reality going to set in, especially about the truth of some of these policies that are obviously pushing prices higher and really making a lot more people struggle and go deeper into debt. Well, what's going on in the bond market? Tuesday, you had these 30-year treasury notes hit a high of 5.18 or 5.19. you've got the 10-year note closing it on 4.7 which is just absolutely massive so Trump wants to control the Fed but the Fed is still kind of hooked into the global economy and is as Crystal was saying kind of constrained by reality as well so what is what is this bond market what is it doing like why does it seem to be recognizing that there's more chaos in the world than the stock market is recognizing?

53:02And what will that do to Trump's wish to get more rate cuts? Yeah, I think let's just be open with everyone. All of this can sound like Wall Street gibberish about what bond yields are. This is really what this is about. People don't believe that the U.S. is going to be able to pay back in real terms at the same level it used to. In other words, people are assuming inflation is going to go up and you are seeing signs across all parts of the globe that they are moving away from, they want to decouple a little bit from the U.S. They want to move away from owning U.S. treasuries. Now, there are some people who actually want that to occur and there's some arguments for it.

53:56But I think the result, Ryan, is that when it comes to things that we want to happen in our country, people being able to buy a home, people being able to borrow to start a business, all of that is going to go up and up. Because as you said, the bond market is looking at some reality here. They are seeing the Strait of Hormuz being closed until June and maybe pricing in that it could go much later. They are seeing a huge giveaway to wealthy people to the tune of trillions of dollars in deficit, even as ordinary people are struggling. So it's hard to know exactly how this plays out. What I talk to people about, they think there's a few things.

54:46If gas prices are over five bucks, if a pound of chicken breast is above five bucks, and if the 10-year Treasury note is above 5%, that spells real political and, I believe, also economic trouble. Beef prices just hit a record, too. Yeah, you're seeing now for just a pound of ground beef, it is now more in average more than the federal minimum wage. It has gone up since COVID about 75%. Wow. There's also real worry that this is not just about tariffs. Is this also about price fixing and price gouging? And frankly, a government that has a lot of talk about doing something, but nothing is really happening.

55:38You look at some of the sales numbers in big retailers. People are pulling back in so many ways. and that Memorial Day barbecue is going to cost way more than it did last year.

55:53Emily Jashinsky:And why then are stock markets thriving? Why does the market keep going up? You're talking about the Wall Street gibberish. I mean, the average American looks at everything you just laid out and says, okay, everything happening in the bond market, these are all the struggles of the average American. So why is the stock market continuing to go up, up, up? You know what's funny? I think a lot of people have now been saying for years, the stock market does not really represent how the economy is going. And you have seen it go up and up and up, even as cost of living. And frankly, people just being on a treadmill of trying to get by.

56:38If you look into the weeds of the stock market, it is really being driven by a handful of companies, mostly those that are big tech or AI hyperscalers. And the numbers keep going up. And you got to wonder if that speculation about AI's profits doesn't come true, you could really see a major correction. and we know that this economy is really running right now on wealthy people buying a lot of stuff. And if that starts reversing, we're really talking about broad, broad pain. We have, of course, upcoming talk about OpenAI, Anthropic, SpaceX, you know, filing for IPOs. We really still are looking at all those numbers that they're putting out and many of them are running big losses.

57:38So these big stock market valuations, more and more people are admitting this is a problem if the optimistic results don't come true.

57:51Ryan Grim:Well, and the stock market has never been a perfect indicator of the well-being of the average American. But Rohit, it seems to me that increasingly it's a counter indicator because companies are so richly rewarded by investors for laying off workers and replacing them with automation, with robots effectively. Of course, you know, looming over that is the possibility that you're laying out here that we could be looking at a giant bubble and that this whole thing could come crashing down, which would be catastrophic for everyone, whether you're at the top or the middle or the bottom, but mostly for the bottom, they're always the ones that suffer the most.

58:27Ryan Grim:But I wonder if you see it the same way that the stock market has become kind of a reverse indicator of the well-being of the American people. Yeah, you know, I really, and you might remember this, after the 2008 crash and after COVID, the Fed really started essentially buying up a lot of financial assets, printing a lot of money, and intervening in ways that were really helping people who already owned these types of assets. And again, I think there's lots of people on Wall Street who just are pricing in that that's going to continue. That even if there is some sort of, you know, correction or major dislocation in the capital markets, that someone will step in to help because that's what happened after 2008.

59:24That's what happened after COVID. And they also saw after Liberation Day last April that President Trump seems pretty sensitive to the stock market going down and backing off, which, of course, coins the whole taco trade.

59:39Ryan Grim:And are they right about that, though, Roja? Because, I mean, so much of our economy is just a giant bet on AI and the build-down of these data centers. Are those companies and those bets effectively too big to fail at this point? Yeah, I mean, to me, we have a lot of eggs in one basket. You asked about the layoffs. You're seeing some people speculate that if the numbers aren't going to work out for some of these firms, that maybe they have to trim right now in order to keep justified evaluations or adjust their accounting numbers. We've seen things about depreciation of chips. I don't know how this is going to play out, But I hope that those who made big money during this, that they are not rescued even as the rest of the country really ends up suffering in these downturns.

1:00:36That's my hope and I think I'm advising everyone, let's be on alert for another bailout of those who already have money and power and let's instead figure out what are we going to do if the proverbial downturn hurts everyone, what are we going to do to safeguard them? And I think that is a question where people of every single political belief know is a big risk.

1:01:04Ryan Grim:So you seem to feel pretty strongly that AI is a bubble, that these companies don't, you know, their valuations aren't justified and we could be headed to, you know, some sort of a collapse. Well, I don't know. I think the question I have is there seems to be no one who wants the music to stop. There is really because we have so much riding on it, it almost feels like the investor class knows there's no other option. than to keep pushing this up. So you start worrying about, is that grounded in reality? You know, the finance person in me thinks if there is not cash flows that are going to come to justify these valuations, in other words, is it mostly vibes and hype?

1:01:54Often it's true at the early onset, vibes and hype are really, you know, it's a big part. Lots of companies start off not making and then they make it really big. Here, though, we have to see something in order to justify these trillion dollar plus valuations. So I guess, Crystal, what I'd say is I don't know if it's a big bubble, but if it does pop, I hope those who made enormous amounts of money are not the first to be rescued.

1:02:27Ryan Grim:Yeah. And I'm sure you guys saw that Trump was contemplating an executive of order on AI, which was, I mean, relatively limited. Just, hey, we're going to take a look at these models before they get released to the public. Seems like the very least that we could possibly do. And David Sachs came in over the top. No, no, no, you can't do this. It's going to screw up our competition with China. We've got to be, you know, just off to the races with absolutely no safeguards in place whatsoever. So you can see who's in control and whose voice has sway within the administration on this stuff. Yeah, and I think you're going to keep seeing fights about this.

1:03:02We saw how there was an attempt by the Trump administration to hit delete on every single state law that was trying to do even modest protections and safeguards on AI. And of course, that led to an eruption in Congress. This is going to be key. I think that we now know, And of course, Anthropik's release, or not release, that availability of Mythos really was put on pause because I think there were big questions. Is this going to be able to get through the cybersecurity of almost every major utility bank? Is it going to create the type of chaos that is simply not worth it? We are talking about certain types of technologies that maybe can get past the biggest cyber defenses we've seen.

1:03:58And so, Crystal, I think they may know that any type of regulatory intervention, if that leads to any pullback in stock market valuations, other dominoes may fall. Now, I don't agree with how they're doing it, but maybe that is how they are justifying that the stock market is the only thing keeping this economy going.

1:04:26Emily Jashinsky:Oh, well, unfortunately, I wish I could say Dodd-Frank was making me feel safer right now. You're, of course, out of the CFPB. Sadly, former Senator Barney Frank passed away this week. But I wish I could say that the legacy of Dodd-Frank were that we we had more protections right now. I guess my last question, I don't know if anybody else has something, but it's just why are we still looking at this this problem even after we were putting in safeguards? what, 10 plus years ago, 15 years ago. Yeah, I think this is part of the unresolved issues from 2008. A true sense of no one being held accountable, a true sense that the core issues of who is pulling the strings is still the same and that in fact now together with others have even more power and control over the economy.

1:05:23That is really, I think, what is fundamental. And until some of that almost monopolistic control over the system, until that grip is loosened, people are still going to have really deep suspicions about whether there is any rule of law when it comes to our economy. We saw it in 2008. We saw it in opioids. We saw it over and over again. And I think that is really where there's a jump ball, you know, for political leaders to really seize the moment right now when there is so much anxiety about the future of the economy.

1:06:03Emily Jashinsky:Well, thank you so much for Tamra Huchopra's incoming secretary of business and consumer in California. We really appreciate you helping us make sense of all of this as Kevin Warsh is signed in, sworn in, I should say today. Much appreciated. Thanks so much.

1:06:47Allegedly, retired Vice Admiral Robert Hayward appearing on Fox News. I'm going to play this clip here for you guys. I want you to focus on the bottom here where you can see what looks to be somewhat of a disconnect, a sharp, jagged line at his neck that, in my opinion at least, when I'm looking at this slowly, zoomed in here. It looks like it's completely disconnected from whatever's underneath what

1:07:16Emily Jashinsky:could be allegedly, hypothetically, a full-on sophisticated face mask that he's wearing on Fox News.

1:07:23Ryan Grim:Face and neck. Face and neck mask. Mac, I think you're out to lunch on this. I think that's just a shadow. Nothing to see here. I think it's just a shadow. Like, have you ever been in a studio and scene studio lighting, it can change your face a lot. What possible justification could you have for owning that? Yeah. What is going on? I don't want to know. I don't know what you're talking about. This is just my face. That was smooth, Crystal.

1:07:51Emily Jashinsky:That was smooth. Oh my God. I was on a different screen. I came back, didn't even see that. Ryan, what do you have there? Do you have something, Ryan? This is my mask. That's your mask there? That one's hyper, hyper realistic there. so uh anyways so this set off like a massive firestorm i had people uh debating me on this i had people trying to gaslight me here was one of the pictures that somebody drew they said oh look you just don't understand how studio lighting works diagram coming from the top and then there's a light coming from the side and this red part down here is allegedly where the mask disconnect is happening.

1:08:33I think that I have a better theory, which is given the content of what he was talking about in that clip.

1:08:39Ryan Grim:He was like pushing for war, right? Praising Donald Trump's handling of Iran, saying patriots are fully in control. We just maybe got Obama one more time and everything will be fine. And so my alternative theory to the other ones that people have been trying to explain this with is this. Who's underneath that mask? it is benjamin netanyahu this is the only reasonable conclusion that i think we could come to in this moment i i genuinely i mean i've tried to look back at it i tried to zoom in i did cross comparisons maybe i can put this one up a comparison of him making an appearance on fox news at a different time and i just like i i can't get around it there's nothing in my mind that tells me that this looks the same like okay maybe to some extent there's a lighting difference but like the details on the neck you know the deep versus the details on the neck in this one the way in the same outfit wearing the same outfit well i think it's a little bit different maybe maybe it is the same exact outfit but it looks like there's a t-shirt on a black t-shirt on under the masked outfit he's a lot shinier he's a lot smoother the faith that the head The eyes are set back.

1:09:51Ryan Grim:The eyes are set back. I don't know. I'm telling you guys. I'm telling you. I have no other... What would be the point of wearing a mask to look exactly like yourself? No, the idea, Ryan, is that he's been swapped out because maybe he wasn't towing the line they wanted him to tow anymore. So now they have brought in this masked impersonator. I don't know. This guy, like they can't bring on some other guy to just parrot the exact same talking points. I don't know. That's weird as hell. That's where it loses me. I have no explanation as to what would have motivated a fake, sophisticated mask to be worn in this context.

1:10:30Who's this guy? By the way, I don't watch. He's an former military. Allegedly retired former vice admiral. Allegedly. If you believe the mainstream media.

1:10:40Emily Jashinsky:If you believe the fake news media. To be clear, there is nothing in that video to suggest it is an accident of the lighting. There is something weird going on. I have no idea if it's a mask, but there's something weird going on. And Mac, I applaud your persistence. I'm doubling. I'm tripling down. I'm not backing down for my position. There's got to be the lighting. Or it's been, yeah, I don't know. Now we know Ryan is CIA. Ryan's been bought off. It's definitely one of those two things.

1:11:11Ryan Grim:Those are the only explanations. All right. Well, that's all that I got on this. I got no other explanations. Well, Mack, you pointed out at least they've upgraded from, what was it, their like Antifa super soldier that they used in multiple, who was also like a Mexican gang leader in a different segment. You got that one? I don't know how you would doubt this, Crystal, but here we have on the bottom Ramon Mundo Mendoza, Mexican mafia encyclopedia author. And then on the top, we have a former Antifa member and clearly, clearly different guys here giving a sophisticated testimony on both of these subjects.

1:11:45Emily Jashinsky:Should Lyle come back on?

1:11:47Ryan Grim:We may need to get Lyle back on for another appearance to evaluate the new masked man allegations. I preferred Crystal with the dog mask or whatever that was. Yeah, I don't know what that was. I'll see if I can get in touch. This mask never fails to amuse. It is a great mask. There you go. And it's really realistic. It's a poodle. It's a poodle. Kids Halloween from, I don't know, like four years ago has really come in handy here. That's an intense mask. It's a lot. You could be somebody's sleep paralysis demon with that.

1:12:23All right. Well, that's all that we got on this one. I don't know. You guys let us know in the comments what the hell's going on here.

1:12:28Ryan Grim:Yep. And Ryan, you want to pitch to your interview here with Dari Elisa? Yes. One major piece of news, the U.S. Immigration Service just announced that if you're applying for a green card, you have to first leave the country. which is a radical and fundamental change in our immigration policy. Completely. It seems almost intended to basically block the ability of anybody to get a green card. Wow, that's crazy. Because that's a lot of people who get green cards. I mean, a lot of that is, you know, people have married American citizens. And so that has a huge impact on, you know, obviously immigrants who want to be on the pathway to citizenship, but also to constraining the choices of Americans who, you know, fall in love, want to get married and want their spouse to be able to reside here with them and be citizens and participate in civic life.

1:13:20Right. And there's always there's been this talking point that, oh, you know, we want you to do it the right way, get in line, follow the rules. And we do support legal immigration. This is just absolutely trying to blow up the rules and make legal immigration impossible. It's just anti-immigration. Period.

1:13:40Emily Jashinsky:I was going to say, we should also mention, we teased at the top the Hunter Biden-Candice Owens interview. He does claim, I'll just say the timestamp, so if you're curious, you can go into it. It really starts around the one hour, 10 minute mark. One hour, 16 minute mark. He claims that there was an Israeli plot to kind of take him and his dad down. He claims that his dad was never part of the Epstein class, which was probably roughly true for like maybe the first 10 years of his career or something like that. But obviously changed anytime you're going to be the senator from Delaware.

1:14:12Ryan Grim:But he mentioned part of the Epstein class just supporting Israel's genocidal activities for the love of the game.

1:14:19Emily Jashinsky:But Crystal, Israel actually was so mad at Joe Biden for being a maverick, according to Hunter Biden. He was really under threat. So anyway, if people are interested.

1:14:32Ryan Grim:Barack Ravid told me the same thing. Yes, I heard that from Barack.

1:14:36Emily Jashinsky:So go start around. If you're curious of that part, start around the 110 mark of their conversation. but anyway so yes yesterday uh interviewed uh daryl darylisa avila chavalier who's a community organizer in harlem who's running against adriano ss bayat uh kind of long-time harlem machine politician who replaced uh charlie wrangle uh and she does not yet have the backing of uh mayor zorn momdani she's hoping to get it but apparently uh hassan piker is going to head out there. So the Piker bump is headed to her campaign pretty soon. And if she has any luck, Third Way will come in and condemn him and her and that she'll get the same result then that El-Sayed and Chris Rabb got when Third Way came after him and them.

1:15:28Emily Jashinsky:Hassan really is the Dem Tea Party's Glenn Beck. That's right. He needs a chalkboard. Turning into that for sure. He needs a chalkboard.

1:15:38All right. Joining us today to discuss her congressional race in a Harlem district against incumbent Adrienne Espyat is Dario-Lisa Chevalier, a community organizer, union member, and challenging an incumbent in New York City. Thank you so much for being here. Thanks so much for having me. All right. So I wanted to actually start by getting you to respond to some pretty interesting comments from Fran Leibovitz about the kind of tax policy and tax conversation that is rocking New York City, I think, in actually a good way, because I think they need to be a little bit uncomfortable over there. Some of the folks there do.

1:16:21So let me play Leibovitz and then get your take here. Every time someone suggests this, they say, I'm moving. Go. You know, they add nothing to New York. You know, in the olden days, in the 19th century, those robber barons, they employed people at least. Okay? They employed thousands, hundreds of thousands of people. All this money magic employs no one. It is no product. It has no, goodbye, go. We're moving to Florida, go. You know, we don't need you. You know, I mean, I know that guy. I mean, I don't know him, but I think you're talking about a guy named Ken Griffin, right? He has a$103 million apartment.

1:16:58First of all, what does that even mean? How can an apartment be$103 million? And when you have apartments that cost that much, it makes every apartment more expensive. So the$103 million apartment on 57th Street makes the studio apartment in the Bronx more expensive than it should be. So I think it's a very good idea. Yeah, so Mayor Bombadani famously put Ken Griffin in his ad about this pied -à-terre tax where, you know, if you don't live in your apartment and it's worth X amount of dollars, you're going to have to pay a little tiny portion extra. I'm curious for how it's playing in Harlem and what did you think of Fran's analysis there?

1:17:38Yeah, I mean, I think she's right. My dad always says New York is New York. And to mean that folks don't stay in New York because they pay lower taxes. They come to New York because they love the city. And so people, I think it's a bluff, right? They're asking us to call them on their bluff and we should tax them. We should show that when folks who make this amount of wealth are taxed, we can actually use those resources to reinvest in our community and make our communities thrive. And it's going to benefit everybody. You know, the fact that we are defunding our schools, that we're defunding our public sector, that has an impact on every single person in this community.

1:18:24and we are not giving our communities the opportunities for small businesses to thrive, right? When we have these corporations that, to Fran's point, aren't actually even employing the New Yorkers that live here and who need, you know, who need jobs to be able to pay the rent that continues to rise, to be able to pay the groceries that costs are rising for. And so, So, you know, I think so many of my friends, so many of my family and my neighbors are moving away because these costs are just unbearable. And the fact that our public sector on top of that is being stripped of the resources that it needs to be able to function, it is a recipe for disaster.

1:19:09And so Harlem has a kind of history of having members of Congress who are there forever. You know, there was the legendary 20th century congressman, Adam Clayton, Powell Jr. You had Charlie Rangel, who, you know, I had the privilege to cover when he was in Congress. And I say privilege because he was, you know, larger than life kind of character. Adrian Espyat has seemed, he seems more in line with life, not exactly a larger than life figure. But I'm curious kind of how the kind of Harlem establishment has evolved over the years and whether you think that it has kind of weakened to a position where a challenge like this, which in the past would have kind of been unthinkable, is actually possible.

1:19:57Yeah, I mean, I would, well, first of all, I think the fact that we are dealing with a different machine right now and in this seat, we're dealing with what Adriano Espaya calls his squadriano. It's one that is much weaker than folks assume. I think there is a lot of momentum on the ground, a lot of hunger for something very different. And to be clear, this district covers Harlem, Washington Heights, Inwood, parts of the West Bronx, including Kingsbridge and Bedford Park. And so, you know, this is a community that has been represented over the last nine years by someone who has not shown up for various parts of this community, including Harlem, including East Harlem and Barrio, including parts of the Bronx and, you know, other parts of the district.

1:20:53And so, you know, for me, as somebody who has been organizing here for my entire adult life, who has tried to reach out to his office to support on the issues that matter to people here, I felt that absence. I felt the lack of leadership on the issues that really matter to folks here. And that's why I'm running, because, you know, when when folks say, OK, well, he's the head of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus on these things. My experience has been that the head of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus has been absent in our community. My experience has been that he has repeatedly funded ICE, repeatedly voted to send arms to Israel and not invested in our communities.

1:21:36My experience is that when my friend was kidnapped off the streets of this district by ICE, he turned our friends and his family away. And so what this district deserves and needs is someone who understands the issues that are affecting every single one of our neighbors and is actually willing to fight. This is an issue of a lack of leadership, a lack of vision for what our district needs and deserves and a willingness to fight for that vision. And so you've been endorsed by Justice Democrats, which is fresh off their victory in Philadelphia with the election of Democratic Socialist Chris Rabb.

1:22:19Have you sensed that producing any momentum since then? Like, are you hearing from more groups who are like, you know what, maybe this is like a ripe moment here? Yeah, I mean, I've made the argument from the moment we launched this campaign that this is an opportunity for the left to build the coalition necessary to take on right wing corporations and PACs, right, that have been having an outsized influence on our politics. This is an opportunity for the left to really push back on a politic that has really done a number on our democracy and to actually take our democracy back for the working people of this country.

1:23:05We know that this is a race that we can win if we get voters out. And so that's been our goal is to make sure that we are telling folks that there is a primary on June 23rd and getting them to come out to the polls. because for too long, we've had leadership that is more than happy to allow people to stay home on election day. Instead of engaging people to come out and be part of their electoral process and part of their government, we have decided that we're going to run a completely different campaign and make sure that we are building the coalition necessary so that we can actually engage voters and the people of this district in their government, not just on election day, but beyond that, so that we can have those relationships, that coalition, once in office, to actually make sure that we're governing for and with our community.

1:23:58And Democratic Socialists of America, of course, has also endorsed your campaign and was behind the campaign of Mayor Mamdani. You know, he famously dissuaded a primary challenge against Hakeem Jeffries. Has he has he dissuaded you at all from running? And do you think that it's possible that he may actually kind of intervene and endorse here against an incumbent? Because, you know, they're very difficult kind of coalitional and delegation politics at play here. On the other hand, you know, he's trying to build power for a DSA based kind of working class movement. What are you hearing from the kind of Mamdani orbit?

1:24:40it? Yeah, I mean, the mayor is a very busy man. He hasn't dissuaded me from running. I think a lot of what we've built our campaign around is actually the momentum that we built last year. I started canvassing in February for him and his campaign, and I spent almost a year hearing at the doors about how hungry people were for a different type of politics, making sure that we are actually delivering for working class people here in this city. And I'm running for Congress because I understand that it's going to take leadership at all levels of government to be able to actually deliver for all of the working people of New York City.

1:25:21And, you know, I'm just deeply grateful to all the members of our coalition, to every volunteer, every person that has come out to support our campaign, because it's because of them that we've been able to build the momentum that we have. And, you know, I'm really excited about what we're building because I think that for so many people, this is an opportunity to show that last year wasn't a fluke, that these politics not only are popular, but that they work and that we can build government for working class people. And for a lot of people watching, they'd be like, well, maybe not this program, but most programs, they'd say, you know, what's the difference?

1:25:59It's a Democratic district. You know, you're going to vote on most bills, similarly to how Adriano Espiyot might vote. There's be some differences on the edges. But it's not that big of a deal. So what would be the fundamental difference if the district sent you to Washington rather than Espiyot? Yeah, you know, I think we're in a really critical point in our country's history. And it matters in November, not only that we send Democrats to Congress, but the type of Democrats that we send to Congress. Do we have Democrats who say they're progressive, but then vote to send about$8 billion to ICE?

1:26:39Do we have Democrats who are voting to send more arms to Israel as it engages in a genocide? Do we have Democrats who are supporting the privatization of our public schools and expanding charter schools? while many of our public schools lack air conditioner in their gymnasiums? Do we want a representative who, when constituents go to their office, are told that they can't support them on some of the hardest days of their lives? And I'm an organizer. That has been what I've been doing my entire adult life, is being with people on some of the hardest days of their lives, whether it was helping to get them out of ice detention or are supporting them through an instance of police brutality or whatever the case, right?

1:27:25Those are the contexts that I have been showing up in for my community. And those are also skills that you developed over the course of organizing that we hope to bring to Congress, the halls of power, to make sure that we're organizing inside and outside to actually deliver for our people here. And so, you know, I think if we're serious about winning in November and making sure that we're taking back the House, it matters what kind of Democrats we're electing in the primaries. It matters that we're making sure that they are people who are fighting for working class people across the country. And if you were elected and Hakeem Jeffries runs for leader, as he said he would, would you would you support him?

1:28:06Yeah, I mean, I guess we have to take it one step at a time because I'm very focused on my primary right now. And in order for that to even be a question we get to, I have to first win this primary and then also we have to win in November. And again, I think we can get to those questions as a community, right? But we can't do that if we don't come out on June 23rd. So you started door knocking last February. So that means for the last year and a half almost, you've been talking directly to voters about their political concerns. And I'm curious if you've seen any evolution in what rises to the surface over that time, because obviously a lot has changed since the Trump administration has been in power that entire time.

1:29:00but they've really, you know, executed on their agenda in a very aggressive way. So I'm curious what you've heard about that from people, but just in general, like what are you hearing from regular people about how they're feeling about the state of the city and the country? Yeah, no, I think what we've heard at the doors is more or less consistent with what I was hearing at the doors in February of last year. And that's because, you know, we've had leadership in this position, but across the country that has is the very same establishment politics that has gotten us to this moment. Right. Where our rents keep rising, where our children are hungry.

1:29:48We have over 100 ,000 New York City public school kids who are homeless. Right. And we continue to disinvest from our public infrastructure, making the lives of New Yorkers so much harder every single day. And again, it can't just be elect one person and hope for the best. It needs to be a new wave of representatives on all levels of government that can actually bring forth the vision of New York City that works for working class people. But what we're seeing at the doors is that people care about housing. That's why we're running for housing for all, to make sure that it is affordable and a fixture of this, affordable housing is a fixture of the city and this country.

1:30:27To make sure that we are abolishing ICE and creating pathways to citizenship. Because in a district with so many immigrant families, we need to be making sure that we're protecting our communities. And, you know, overall, we're fighting to invest in our babies, not bombs, because all the things that our children need are the things that make our communities thrive. And one of the things that breaks my heart most is the way that my a lot of my friends have moved out of the city because they want kids and they can't afford to have them in the city because our schools are so defunded because, you know, our libraries are struggling.

1:31:01And so making sure that we're actually investing in our kids and expanding the child tax credit and funding schools, public schools from cradle to college. All of those things are the things that will really push us to make sure that that we have a community here in New York City, not just people who are isolated workers to the benefit of corporations instead of the benefit of our communities here. And the playgrounds. I'm a big pro playground guy. How are the playgrounds in your district? Because, like, sometimes you've got a playground, but it's not usable or safe for kids. The equipment's not kept up.

1:31:38There's garbage, whatever. Like, what's the situation in the district playground-wise as a parent? That's my overarching concern sometimes. In some of the public parks, you know, my read on them is that, you know, there are many that are maintained well, but there are not that many parks per se, right? And so a lot of the playgrounds that exist in this district are actually in NYCHA communities. And NYCHA has been so deeply disinvested from that, you know, many of these buildings are in complete disrepair and just really undignified conditions. And so many of the children in our community, those are the conditions that they have to live in.

1:32:22And the conditions of their playground reflect that. We need to invest in NYCHA, not only because we owe it to the over 500 ,000 New Yorkers who live there to to actually make their homes dignified homes, but also because it is, you know, it is one of the largest, this district has one of the largest concentration of public housing units in the country. And that's an opportunity for us to introduce a Green New Deal for public housing, to make sure that we are creating good union jobs for people and preserving the legacy of what NYCHA was supposed to be, which was supposed to be a pathway to the middle class, not a stepping stone into market rate housing, but a fixture of the city's affordable housing programs.

1:33:10And so, you know, there are so many ways that we could be investing in our kids here in the city. But right now, as it stands, we have representatives who would rather send our tax dollars towards war and ICE instead of reinvesting back in our communities to make sure that we have the resources to lead dignified lives. Well, Daria Lisa, Avila Chevalier, I think you can learn more, Daria Lisa for congress.com. Thank you so much for joining us again. The primary is June 23rd. Really appreciate you being here. Thanks so much for having me. Take care. You got it. When people turn to telehealth or weight loss, they're looking for real support.

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