In short
The episode covers two stories: (1) Minnesota’s new law banning prediction markets and the Trump administration’s lawsuit to block it, arguing prediction markets are federally regulated derivatives under the CFTC; (2) claims that Hasan Piker and Code Pink co-founder Medea Benjamin were subpoenaed over a Cuba trip, which guest Ryan Grimm says are false.
Guests
Sagar and Crystal (hosts) and Ryan Grimm (reporter/guest). Grimm says he spoke with both Piker and Benjamin; neither has been subpoenaed.
Key claims
Prediction markets are framed as gambling with little social utility, mostly benefiting sophisticated “sharp” traders; Minnesota’s ban would criminalize hosting/advertising and even VPN support, but DOJ argues Congress prevents states from criminalizing derivatives. For Cuba, Grimm says Fox News Digital’s “wrong hotel” allegation is incorrect: the group stayed at Barostar Marquez de la Torre; another American (Nick Shirley) stayed at Hotel Nacional, allegedly sanctioned by OFAC.
Notable examples
trading on “what 60 Minutes will say,” WNBA dildo color, Taylor Swift pregnancy, and a Paris airport temperature bet; Polymarket/Calci sports-heavy bets; Hotel Nacional vs Barostar Marquez de la Torre.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOPrediction Markets Under Legal Threat
2:19 to 3:20
Explore the implications of Minnesota's ban on prediction markets.
“We need your help to build the future of independent news media, and we hope to see you at BreakingPoints.com.”
Trump Administration's Lawsuit Explained
3:20 to 5:59
Delve into the details of the Trump administration suing Minnesota.
“So here is what the person who introduced the measure said.”
The Debate on Gambling vs. Derivatives
5:59 to 8:34
Understand the distinctions between gambling and derivatives in markets.
“And I actually went and did a lot of research.”
The Risks of Prediction Markets
8:34 to 11:34
Examine the financial risks and societal implications of prediction markets.
“You don't get to have that say at the state level.”
The Dystopia of Prediction Markets
14:00 to 16:42
Explore how prediction markets exploit desperation among individuals.
“There is no even artifice for the average person to invest or trade on a prediction market where they're going to make money in the long run.”
The Impact of Gambling and Trust Issues
16:42 to 19:27
Discuss the societal trust in gambling platforms and the implications of predatory practices.
“There's no work hard, play by the rules, go to college.”
Legal Landscape of Gambling in America
19:27 to 20:40
Analyze the potential legal changes regarding gambling across states.
“Thank you for continuing to bet with us.”
Hassan Piker Subpoena Controversy
22:39 to 28:00
Delve into the allegations surrounding Hassan Piker and the implications of the investigation.
“Fox News Digital has what they're claiming is a scoop that hits a little bit close to home here for us.”
Travel Regulations and Journalism in Cuba
28:00 to 29:20
Discussion on travel regulations to Cuba and the implications for journalists.
“And it's, so it's not even close whether or not I was allowed to go on this.”
Subpoenas and Government Threats
29:20 to 31:44
Analysis of the government's actions regarding subpoenas and potential criminal sanctions.
“Like it's it's not something they're not winging it like Nick Shirley.”
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Cuban Policy and Its Political Ramifications
31:44 to 36:22
Exploration of U.S. foreign policy towards Cuba and the political dynamics involved.
“to, you know, to Medea and Hassan, which would qualify as defamation.”
The Role of Diaspora Groups in U.S. Politics
36:22 to 38:41
Examination of how Cuban diaspora groups influence American policy and politics.
“And I don't remember which politician it was, but was basically pressed on the cruelty of this.”
Historical Context of U.S.-Cuba Relations
38:41 to 41:40
Discussion on the historical context of U.S.-Cuba relations and the influence of past events.
“It'd be like, imagine if the Somalians in Minneapolis developed a lot of political power and started lobbying Washington.”
Transcript
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2:27Turning now to prediction markets under potential legal threat, but definitely getting a major assist from the U.S. government. Let's put this up here on the screen. Minnesota has now become the first state to ban prediction markets. The governor signed the nation's first law operating in the state, and in response, the Trump administration has sued. This will now tee up a massive legal battle over the crackdown on Kalshi and Pali market. The new state law makes it a crime to host or advertise a prediction market, which defines as a system that lets consumers place a wager on future outcomes like sports, elections, live entertainment, someone's word choice, and world affairs.
3:04Why do we have markets on those anyways? The prohibition extends to services supporting prediction markets like VPNs that would allow consumers to disguise their location and get around the ban. And it would force a prediction market site like Calci and Paula Market to leave the state or face felony charges. The law takes effect in August. So here is what the person who introduced the measure said. We as a state should decide how best and what regulations we think should attach to gambling to protect public safety, to protect our kids. The law has a carve out for event contracts that serve as an insurance policy in the event of harm or loss sustained and for the purchase of securities and other commodities.
3:44Now, here's where the Trump administration comes in. And this gets technical, so everybody stick with us. D2, let's put it up here on the screen. The Trump administration is now suing Minnesota over the prediction market ban. They say, here's the DOJ, Minnesota's attempt to criminalize derivatives contracts is precisely what Congress sought to prevent. If Minnesota's law is permitted to go into effect, the exchanges that offer these longstanding contracts, as well as those who partner with them, can be prosecuted as felons. This is a flagrant and unprecedented incursion into the commission's exclusive regulatory sphere must be preliminarily and permanently enjoined.
4:26That means the Trump administration is that prediction markets are only in the federal domain and must be only regulated by the CFTC. However, don't forget, the CFTC is not just suing Minnesota. They are suing even red states, Arizona, Connecticut, Illinois, New York, Wisconsin, many with Republican governors or state legislators and others. which had advanced these measures, trying to ban these prediction markets because they allege that it is gambling while the CFTC that says that it is a derivatives market, which is long held. Now, I just want everybody to ask a very basic question. Have you been able to trade on what 60 minutes is going to say for a longstanding time?
5:06Yes or no question. Have you been able to trade on what color the dildo is that will be thrown on a WNBA? the most lurid example, but there are many. Have you been able to trade on whether the Ayatollah is going to be removed or not? Whether Taylor Swift is gonna get pregnant. Yeah, or whether Taylor Swift is gonna get pregnant. I mean, I could go on forever. The Bad Bunny halftime performances, the Maduro raid. Yeah, when a particular special operations raid is going to happen. What was the one that we covered here? The guy with the weather, hot air? Oh yeah, at the Paris airport, at the Charles de Gaulle airport, where he was betting on the temperature there and then was using a hairdryer to heat up the sensor so that he could win.
5:47Yeah. So this is what the CFTC wants us to believe. They want us to believe that these prediction markets are an extension of longstanding derivatives and commodity trades. And I actually went and did a lot of research. CFTC, why does it exist? What is the basis for it? The entire basis for the CFTC and for regulation period on financial derivatives is that we allow, always have, derivatives markets on things that we believe are important to the public good. So the history of the CFTC and of commodities are things like oil or things like corn, meat, futures contract, coffee, you know, any of these consumable goods.
6:28Now, why do we allow that? Because it leads to a lot of wild speculation. It allows market price and lock-in contracts for producers to be able to produce their goods that they bring to market, which we all agree generally is society. We need a meat contract. We need an oil contract. We need corn contracts. We have lived for centuries without prediction markets on what I'm going to say on this show or who's going to beat the spread or 18-leg parlays. Yes, these are real things that are offered by Calci. 18-leg parlays on how the Knicks were going to perform last night. And not just are they going to win or not.
7:05Are they going to win by X amount of points? Are you going to shoot? is this particular player? Who's going to get how many free throws? Right. How many free throws? What the halftime, whatever is going to look like? Who gets X amount of playing time? Massive insider trading risk. But more importantly for this whole discussion, it's gambling. And why have we always separated legally and even rhetorically gambling from commodities markets? Now, often they resemble each other, but what is the difference? Gambling is not about social utility, which we allow. We allow this legalized form of commodities future trading because it's important to us as a society to be able to function.
7:45What societal good comes from trading on these damn markets? Nothing. Literally nothing. Farmers came to them and said, hey, we like to bet on weather as a hedge against if there's issues with the crops or whatever. Okay, put a carve out in. Got it. Social utility, I see it. All right, we'll do that. And that's the version that's passed. Of course, the Trump administration is still claiming, oh, this is bad for farmers, blah, blah, blah. But I mean, just just think about it logically. 80 plus percent of the bets that are made on Polymarket and Calci are sports bets. Like it's, you know, blatant gambling.
8:19And for, you know, forever, states have had the right to decide when and how and whether they're going to permit that type of gambling in their state. And so what the Trump administration here is saying is you don't get to have that right anymore. You don't get to have that say at the state level. And this is the party that's supposed to be those, you know, small government, local control party. They're saying, no, as a federal government, we have decided that we are going to open the floodgates to gambling on Taylor Swift's pregnancy date and dildos at the WNBA game in every state. And it really doesn't matter what you or your citizens, what their elected representatives think about any of it, because we are profiting from it.
8:58And I mean, that's and that's the bottom line is, you know, both with the and we can put this tear shoot from The New York Times up on the screen, D3, which is a fantastic deep dive into the CFTC and the way they say how prediction markets and crypto firms steamrolled a watchdog agency. And at every turn, the reason why the floodgates have been open for crypto, which is rife with all sorts of scams and schemes and rug pulls, including rug pulls pulled by the president and the first lady of the United States and prediction markets, is because there is a financial benefit for the Trump family directly.
9:35And there are financial benefits for Trump allies directly. Remember, Trump was originally opposed to crypto. He thought it was bad for the U.S. dollar. He was like, no, it's a competitor to the US dollar. I don't like it. And then what happened? Then he got a bunch of crypto money and he got sold on, hey, you can have your own crypto coin. And now the vast bulk of his wealth comes from crypto. And so lo and behold, not only do they really not regulate it whatsoever, but a bunch of people who had been previously indicted for various fraudulent activities regarding crypto had been let off the hook by Trump.
10:12You know, if you look at the, you know, the ties here, they have a great chart. We can put this in in post in this New York Times piece where you've got, OK, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, and then you've got some actions that they've taken. So they fast track the application of an offshoot of Gemini. This is the Winklevoss twins who are Trump allies, whose founders backed American Bitcoin, which is tied to Eric Trump. They sidelined staff who questioned Crypto.com, a business partner of Trump Media and Technology. And of course, those companies are all connected to the Trump family.
10:43They approved a request by Polymarket after investment by 1789 Capital, which is who? Don Jr. Don Jr. is involved with both Polymarket and with Couchy. So of course, they're going to go to bat for them. Of course, they're going to let them do whatever they want, wherever they want. And so while white collar fraud enforcement is at an all time low with this administration, where they will draw the line and where they will go in and fight and where they will try to push back is any state, any political entity that says, we actually want to draw some boundaries here. We actually don't want to submit to this anywhere, anytime, anything gambling on demand, which has proven to be extremely deleterious to the financial status, especially of young men or the group that has been preyed upon the most and most susceptible.
11:33And look, this belies even the basic statistics. If you are gambling on these platforms, which is what they are, you're going to lose. The vast majority of the winners, the vast majority of the profits go to an extremely select small group of traders. I was reading recently, in fact, one of my friends even told me like Susquehanna, one of those very sophisticated trading desks, they have a sports desk now, specifically as sharp bettors to go in and to find inefficiencies in various different lines to hammer them and to basically take your money. So look, remember in CalShe, this is one of the most nefarious things about it.
12:08One of the things that they say is that reason why they're better than DraftKings, and this is a fair argument, so let's interrogate it a little bit, is that they don't set the line, is that they're the market makers, right? On both sides of the trade, they take a small percentage of the fee. Now, remember though, that because if you take a percentage of the trade, that means how do they make money? They want you to trade a lot. So that's number one. In fact, they want you to get basically addicted to trading. Now, second though, is that while a casino will set the line, like plus or minus whatever on a game, minus 110 or something like that for the spread, and then move that to hedge their own risk, the Cal sheet is sitting there and offering the ability for a market to be able to take your line as well.
12:48Well, what that means is that with these two people on the other side of the trade is that there's a heavy amount of influence and market making that happens for the people who are taking the action. And from, again, I know this sounds complicated and I'm still a relative layman on how this all works. It's very complicated. But what it means is, from what I understand, is it gives these sharps the ability to not only hedge a lot of their own betting risk from the traders, but also to offer different odds based upon the amount that you are betting in terms of a trade, which is not necessarily the same as a sports bet or a casino.
13:26So anyways, What I have seen generally is that with all of this amount of influence, the vast majority of the retail normal trader is losing on these prediction markets. And while their argument is, well, the vast majority of day traders lose money. Yeah, that's true. That's one reason I opposed the Trump administration lowering the threshold for$25 ,000 for day trading. Because most people who are doing it are fucking idiots and are losing all their money. But there is no such thing as there is, let's say, with the S &P 500 or Vanguard or any of that, like with prediction markets, where if you are just a passive investor in these index funds, you'll make money over the long run.
14:09There is no even artifice for the average person to invest or trade on a prediction market where they're going to make money in the long run. It literally doesn't exist. It exists purely to siphon off gains from desperate people, basically, who are on there. What was that article that we had where the guy took out a loan and then bet it all on Calci? I mean, first of all, what an idiot. But second, like, okay, we recognize we have a lot of idiots in our society, so we have to protect them. At least I do. That's what I think. And so what do we do? We're like, hey, you can't have payday loans because that was the argument for it.
14:46The argument for payday loans was, well, if people are willing to take it, then why shouldn't they be able to offer that service? And we're all like, yeah, I don't know. It's usury. It's a Lindy thing that even though it may exist and even supported supposedly by the free market, we all think that's bad. And so we don't want people to be exploited that way because we recognize the power imbalance. Well, why can't we recognize it here? And it's basically corruption. There's just no other story behind it. That's exactly right. Yeah, and this is kind of Grimless, but D6 up on the screen. So Axios did this poll of like what companies people trust.
15:25And Polymarket and FanDuel and Calci and whatever, like they did decently well. So they found they had a higher reputation ranking at number 45, Polymarket specifically, than companies like Verizon, Ford, Target, Uber, Disney, and Bank of America. it. Now, I mean, I might say none of the above in terms of trusting any of these companies. You know, so I'm not sure how indicative this is. But they had this quote here. They said, 64 % of Gen Z and millennials say the only realistic way to build significant wealth is, quote, alternative methods like crypto, gambling, or retail stocks. That's what their poll found.
16:04two thirds of basically people under the age of 44 said the only chance I have is gambling. That's it. That is my shot. And that's what we've been talking about. I mean, you talk about they're preying on desperate people. Well, the whole generation is desperate, or that's all we have is desperate people basically. And they're working, slaving away. Things are getting more expensive. Housing prices are out of control. Never going to be able to own anything. And they're like, what have I got to lose? I'm going to take out that loan. I'm going going to bet it on Calci on some sports team that I know something about.
16:36And I'm going to hope for the best because it's my only freaking shot. Like, that's what we're talking about here. It is this dystopian as that is the American dream today. That's it. There's no work hard, play by the rules, go to college. No, it's hope that you have some insider knowledge on some bet that you can leverage so that you don't have to suffer and struggle and never own anything in your entire life. That is the American dream today. That's the reality. This is where, you Why do you do so many segments? Because I know. I know the truth. I'm like, look, people, we talk about it all the time, desperation, et cetera.
17:09I understand that. There's still some personal agents. We got to spread the word, all right? How can we live in a society where people are trusting Polymarket, CalShe, and DraftKings as much as Verizon, Target, and Numer. Like, listen, I get it, all right? I've had bad experiences with all of these major companies. But, you know, Bank of America is a very highly regulated enterprise. Yes, they will rip you off, et cetera, and there's a lot of structural reasons. but they're not explicitly rooting for you to lose or creating the entire thing. You can still get decently wealthy by just using one of these random stock exchanges and just putting your money passively into the S &P 500.
17:45And yet, oh, Robinhood and day trading and DraftKings. I understand it at a sociological level, but it is sick. It's beyond sick that we even have this level of trust in these companies. And this is also where predatory advertising comes into play. Calci running ads for teenagers or has in the past, allegedly, from what I've seen, which I know that they've denied and they're saying that they're not running them anymore, being like, oh, it's an easy way for you to make money. DraftKings and FanDuel have the most expensive advertising money can buy for every sports season about the various pick-ems and how they'll go free$100.
18:24If you bet five, you win 200. You're like, really? You're going to give$200 for free? You think a multibillion-dollar company just made all that money by giving you$200 after you win five? Or maybe they know what they're doing. But everybody falls for it. And it's because, like you said, they're desperate. They're just beyond desperate. So I don't know. I just know that I think in the long run, I hope it gets banned. And I think eventually it will, maybe 10 years or so from now. But the gap of the damage that will be wrought in the interim, it's immense. I think it already is if you look at the amount of bankruptcies and other things that happen, the amount of domestic violence that happens as a result of legalization of gambling.
19:06It's statistically proven. Look it up if you want to. You can look at domestic violence, alcohol consumption, bankruptcies. The aggregate, I think, borrowing rate, like debt, goes up in every state that's legalized gambling. That's right. Again, the vast, vast majority of people who bet on these platforms, you will lose. If you've been betting for more than six months and you're not limited, that means you're a loser. Congratulations. They're telling you, you are a loser. Thank you for continuing to bet with us. But that's how the rules are written as of right now. Yeah. And I don't know the legal ins and outs, but it would not surprise me if the Trump administration succeeds in the suit to block Minnesota.
19:43Sorry, I should have clarified that as well. They're going to win, from what I understand. because of the way that they have defined, the CFTC gets a broad amount of deference whenever it comes to derivatives, contracts, regulation, especially with the current composition of the U.S. Supreme Court. You've got a very libertarian Supreme Court on the side of money. And then after that, it's over. Gambling is now legal. Like the idea of the states had any influence at all, after the court rules, it will be legal in all 50 states. So all these tribal casino, remember they beat the sports books in California.
20:12Not enough people talk about that. It went to the referendum And Californians actually went against sports gambling, which is crazy. Texas as well. So two of the most populous states in the union do not have legal sports gambling. They're like the white whale of the gambling industry and of Calci. And DraftKings actually like it that way. Or sorry, Calci and Polymarket like it that way because they want to be the only option. Soon it will be legal nationwide after the Supreme Court rules. And then we'll really see what gambling America looks like. Okay, let's talk about Hassan Parker. Miss satisfying breads and pastas and want to add protein without going overboard on calories?
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22:50We can put this up on the screen. They are claiming that Hassan Piker, who they described as Marxist political influencer, and Code Pink co-founder Susan Medea Benjamin have been subpoenaed as part of a wider investigation into whether U.S. organizations and leaders violated U.S. laws and sanctions in supporting Cuba's communist regime. Again, this is according to Fox News Digital. They also published some like paparazzi style photos of Hassan like walking his dog for some reason. In any case, what they point to here is allegations that they stayed at a banned or sanctioned hotel that Americans are not allowed to stay at.
23:28But we happen to know, because our own Ryan Grimm was also on that trip, that that is not remotely the case. So joining us now to talk about all of this is of course Ryan Grimm. Great to see you, Ryan. Good to see you, Ryan. How are you guys doing? Good. Good, man. Have you been subpoenaed? I have not been subpoenaed. But Hassan and Madia Benjamin have actually also not been subpoenaed here. So what are we thinking about this news? Right. Yeah, I talked to both of them. Neither has been subpoenaed. And so the Fox News report is just factually incorrect. Like, if you're going to subpoena somebody, you subpoena them.
24:02Right. So you have not been served by the federal government. They have not been served by the federal government. um hasan reacted to this ryan saying it's bullshit and actually they didn't stay you guys didn't stay in the wrong hotel let's take a listen we'll get your reaction i'm not gonna lie to you guys it's it's not great the news is not great okay um i mean it's bullshit we didn't actually stay at the wrong hotel that was just something that people made up on twitter except for an American citizen who recently did violate OFAC and stayed at a hotel that America does not allow American citizens to stay in.
24:41It wasn't me, though. It was Nick Shirley. Literally, the hotel that Nick Shirley was in was actually on the state sponsor of terrorism list. Okay? Okay. So, Ryan, the basis, as I understand, God, I never thought I'd know so much about Cuban hotels, is you guys stayed in the hotel, which is allowed. Right. Right? Yeah. Nick Shirley stayed in a luxury hotel, quote unquote, which is under OFAC sanctioned. OFAC being Office of Foreign Asset Control. It's a famous, I forget exactly what hotel he stayed in, but it's famously sanctioned. Okay, famously sanctioned. It's like a very well-known Cuban government-owned hotel that has been around for many decades and is quite explicitly listed as one you cannot stay in.
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25:25Cannot stay there. And so Shirley, from his room at this hotel, put out a broadcast about how he was staying there. Right. And it's like, bro, I don't agree with these rules. I think they're silly. I think it's called Hotel Nacional. Yes. Literally like the government hotel of Cuba. Wait, Hotel Nacional is seriously the name. Yeah. That's why it was so obvious to everybody. Like, oh, my God, dude. I don't even have to check the list. Like, this one's absolutely on the list. Nick, if we were working with an 80 IQ, we might have put two and two together. But, I mean, there's no risk to him. He's not going to be subpoenaed.
26:02There's not going to be any problem for him. What's the statute of limitations? Oh, good point. Good point. If it's more than three years. President Plattner, I need you to look into this. Okay, so Ryan. So we stayed, and I can't even tell you. It's called the. What hotel did you stay? A Barostar Marquez de la Torre. Okay. So go ahead. Go ahead. Look it up. Look it up. All right. Go ahead. And so where did this come from, do you think? There was somebody who tweeted that we stayed at a different hotel than we did stay at. And that tweet went viral. And we were not, we didn't have much internet connection.
26:34So there wasn't any, nobody was responding to it. So for two days or so, this tweet went viral saying that Hassan and this convoy stayed at this illegal sanctioned hotel. And so therefore they're breaking sanctions and it's criminal. And then when we got back, we're like, actually, no. Because it became this big thing. Like you stayed at a five-star hotel. We're like, well, the reason we stayed there is because there's a very small list of legal hotels that you can stay at that can handle several hundred people in a group. And this is one of them. That's why we stayed there. So we talked about that a lot.
27:05I remember you, I think, went on with Piers Morgan. Yeah. Explained all of this. Like, here's the reason we stayed in this hotel because you're only allowed, which is not a policy we agree with, but you're only allowed to stay in these certain hotels. So we wanted to abide by the policy. And that's what we did. Right. And I think this one is, like, managed by a Spanish company or something. Okay. So that makes it legal because then you're not giving money. So the other accusation was that you were funded by the Cubans to go there. Well, that's completely preposterous. Well, go into it because it doesn't matter.
27:31Yeah. Yeah. So that doesn't withstand any scrutiny at all. They did not. The second charge is that this American citizen who now lives in China, Roy Singham, who funds a bunch of left-wing causes, that he funded it. it it is true that he funds code pink or he has funded code pink in the past okay everybody who went on this trip though had to pay like so i paid so i paid right like you pay for the flight and the hotel right and the food so so there's no violation here so there's no so there's no because i can go to cuba can i if i want to you can go you can go to anybody can go and there are now under biden under obama anybody could go right um biden and trump moved it back to you have to have these various exceptions.
28:19Sure. One of them is journalism. And it's, so it's not even close whether or not I was allowed to go on this. Yeah, of course. I would argue Hassan too. Well, Hassan made an entire documentary about history. Yeah, he did journalism. Yeah. And he's paid, and you can't be a fake journalist. You have to have a demonstrated career of doing freelance or regular journalism. And Hassan, obviously. Who decides that? The government? The U.S. government or the Cuban government? It's just, if you get challenged, you'd have to be like, here, I'm not a fake journalist. I don't even accept that. That's bullshit.
28:45It is bullshit. But then the other one is a humanitarian aid for the benefit of the Cuban people. Like that is one of the exceptions that allows travel. The plane that we went on had tons of aid that was organized by a group that this is what they do. They work with OFAC. They collect aid and they deliver it to an OFAC is like the sanctions list. And they deliver it to groups on the island that are cleared by OFAC to be able to receive the aid. So people going on that mission are have gotten approval ahead of time. Like it's it's not something they're not winging it like Nick Shirley. Right. So Medea Benjamin would presumably fall easily.
29:28She goes multiple times a year, probably to Cuba, like in bringing aid there. Like it's what it's one of the things it's like if you ever notice she's not in Congress yelling at people. She's probably in Cuba, like delivering it. Yeah. And she's been doing this for decades. And so they know what they know what the laws are. And so they got it. So what do you make of this? Is this like, OK, they're moving forward with NSPM 7. They're trying to crack down on any left wing groups, journalists, anyone aligned with the left. Is this Fox News Digital just being led down some rabbit hole and it's not serious?
30:02Like, how seriously are you taking this? And it says in the article, oh, they're looking at what some 40 other people who were on this trip for potential criminal sanctions as well. So it definitely touches on you directly. How seriously are you taking them? It's the most powerful government in the world, probably. So you got to take their threats seriously. I think it's an attempt to chill dissent against war with Cuba. I think that is because I think Trump very clearly and Rubio definitely. They want to go to war. They want to like or do some type of Venezuela style military action. I think they're also being led down a rabbit hole because the Fox News report said that investigators had information that they stated in an illegal.
30:44hotel. And it's like, oh my God. Investigators. Some random person on Twitter. Well, wait, Ryan, why don't you sue them for defamation? Well, they didn't mention me. Okay, well, why doesn't Hassan sue them for defamation? Or anybody mentioned inside of it? That's blatantly false. He could. Do you have an instance to declare? Right, and also it's a... It actually would be malicious intent, in my opinion. Right, because it's a specific, the way that malice can work, it's a specific claim. They have been subpoenaed. Right. So you can check that fact. Hey, Medea, hey, Hassan, have you been subpoenaed?
31:11No, I have not. Like, it's a black and white question. I have Should they be subpoenaed? Should they not? That's a separate judgment question. Have they been subpoenaed? No. I'm wondering, did Fox News Digital reach out to them for comment before running with us? Yeah, that's not a good question. That's important. They probably did. But the fact that it's incorrect, and I doubt they've updated it. So now they know that it's not true. Right. And if they haven't updated their story, they're continuing to publish something false that is obviously quite damaging. to, you know, to Medea and Hassan, which would qualify as defamation.
31:47I'm looking at this right here. March 23rd, 2026, so exactly two months ago, New York Times, Mr. Piker, and other activists stayed at the Ibrostar Marquez de la Torre in Havana. So this is an established record of fact. That could be known. Yeah, it isn't known. No, we shouldn't go too deep in the woods. But I mean, I do think this type of stuff matters. You can't just be rolling around saying that you violated U.S. sanctions when you obviously didn't, at least from what we see right now, especially when you have an additional person who actually did violate sanctions and nothing is happening.
32:18I'm sorry, I can't get over a Hotel Nasty and Owl. You didn't put to it. You didn't put to it. It's the famous hotel, like not to Nick Scherl. I'll tell you what, I would stay there. You know, it sounds nice, Nick. But would you broadcast from there? Huh? Would you broadcast from there? Fuck the government. I could stay wherever I want to stay. Why should they tell me where I want to stay? Not if you don't want to end up subpoena. I absolutely agree with you. Yeah, absolutely. It's my money. Why can't I stay wherever I want to stay? I wonder if you get a jury trial, because I think a jury would be like, I don't know, Hotel National looks cool.
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35:08It wasn't lost on me that shortly after that trip, Trump did allow this one Russian oil tanker to go to the island because I think there was a sense of pressure that came from just being there and saying, look, this is what's happening at the hospitals. Like when the lights go out, this is what they have to do for these babies that are on ventilators or in incubators in order for them to survive. So I do think it is a sign that, you know, this had some had some power, had some impact. I think that's exactly right, because I think in particular on our Cuba policy, it cannot withstand five seconds of scrutiny.
35:41Like it can only survive as a as a political winner if the only people that care about it are in South Florida. Right. And nobody else is paying attention to it because once once you start paying attention, like, OK, what is the argument here? They said they're now they have drones that are going to attack Key West. It's like, OK, nobody believes that, you know, they have Russian and Chinese spy bases on it. It's like the Russians and Chinese, they're all in our phones. Like, what do you. They're a Mar-a-Lago. They're a base on Cuba. And then it's like, we're going to punish them by perpetuating blackouts, like blackouts on the island.
36:21Like what? Like none of it stands up. And I don't remember which politician it was, but was basically pressed on the cruelty of this. And she was effectively like, yeah, some people, some babies may die, but it's worth it. Yeah, I think it was Maria Salazar was like. Oh, of course it was. And it was my guess before you. Yeah, she said it hurts all of us when a mother has to watch her child starve, but we have to understand that their freedom is more important than that. It's like, yeah. Wow. Well, what does it say, though, Ryan, about the fact that she keeps getting elected, man? And you know what?
37:01A lot of the Cuban diaspora probably agree. Not all of them. I would not speak for all of them, but they agree with that. I mean, that's the reality of this. I have never – these – the Cubans and the Venezuelans who are down in South Florida, they're like the Iranian Pallavi people. Their capacity for wanting to save their people by forcing them to suffer and potentially be invaded is unbelievable. And they have such a hold on our government, including the Secretary of State of the United States of America, who's apparently – what was his father's dying wish was to free Cuba? I mean I'm not making this up.
37:33These are in books that they've written. And the South Floridans in particular are deeply funded by taxpayers. Yes. So it's one thing with AIPAC, which organizes kind of its own money, and then we send a lot of money to Israel. Great point. But we spend hundreds of millions of dollars that we send to South Florida propping up this anti-Cuban government movement that then lobbies, gives that money back to politicians. Right. Who then support, who then pass more laws that send more money to South Florida so that they can continue to do this. They fund, they do actual like paramilitary terrorist operations.
38:10And have since the 1950s. They took down a Cuban airplane, a civilian passenger airplane. They bombed, actually I think it was Hotel Nacional in the 1990s. Like you can check that one out. That was my favorite part of our segment with Juan. When Ryan and I were doing this segment with Juan and we were talking about this humanitarian group where he goes, well, you know, they're also like a paramilitary terrorist organization. I was like, what was that? What was that part about the bombing? And that whole network is funded by American tax dollars. It'd be like, imagine if the Somalians in Minneapolis developed a lot of political power and started lobbying Washington.
38:47No, I know. To get a bunch of taxpayer dollars sent to Minneapolis so that they could then work out whatever grudges they have back in Somalia. Like Al-Shabaab or something. Yeah, and then we have to start bombing only parts of Somalia because we're trying to help one faction over another. American people are like, yeah, no, I don't think so. How about we worry about Minnesota? Would they be because they don't seem to be? I think with Somalia, the public would be like, no, we're not doing that for you. Yeah, I mean, it really somehow it's OK. It really does come back to money because if you have Cuba, you do have all these different diaspora groups that do have these various, you know, ideological views about whatever is going back in their country of origination.
39:31But the reason it becomes a problem is when they are organized and have lots of money behind them. That's what's, you know, it's a problem with Israel, problem with Iran, problem with Cuba. And then you also have these ideological factions, Rubio being a primary example of it, that tie in with that in the whole neocon worldview where they'll never stop fighting the Cold War. That leads it to being such a potent combination. And the funny thing is both Rubio and Cruz, their parents left under the gangster government. But Fidel Castro overthrew him. Doesn't Rubio lie about that too? He fudges it very deeply.
40:04He says something like he fled Cuba. Yes, exactly. But it's like, yeah, yeah. And Cruz has this, Cruz had this incredible moment. I think it was on Tucker where he was like, and my father was tortured by the Cubans. And he's like, it was by Batista, actually. But still. Because he knew Tucker would call him out on it. Right, yes. Incredible. Oh, okay. You acknowledge it. I mean, it's funny, especially the Nick Shirley part is funny. But it's also not because, like you said, this is one of the most powerful, I don't think it is the most powerful government on the planet. But they still imagine themselves to be that.
40:40And they have a lot of power and can throw their weight around and have, you know, the courts in their pockets and all that stuff. So it has to be taken seriously. And the through line is incredible. It's New York gangsters who ran Cuba kind of basically on behalf of American intelligence operations, setting up drug trafficking operations where all the heroin was flowing through. Castro overthrows that. But those same mafia gangsters and allied with the South Florida terrorists are now just trying to take back over. Yeah. It's incredible. All right. Well, here we are. But Sam Piker is the one that's going to investigate.
41:15He's the real problem. Yeah. That's the issue in all of it. We should investigate these Cubans who are running all this stuff. They just did a little bit. They just tried to raid it with a boat stacked with weapons. Yeah. I forgot about that. It was like two weeks ago. And they fired a bunch of weapons. Exactly. Exactly, totally covered up, man. All right, I'm about to get hot. All right, thank you to everybody who's been watching. We appreciate it. We'll have a great show with Ryan and Emily for everybody tomorrow. See you then.
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