5/28/26: U.S. & Iran Exchange Fire, Trump Says He Doesn't Care About Midterms, CDC Scrambles Amid Ebola Outbreak

25:02So I was like, oh, maybe we should go to a game. Right. Just to walk into the door. Like the nosebleeds. And if you've been in MSG, those nosebleeds are nosebleeds. Yeah, they are actual nosebleeds. Nosebleeds, okay? Thousands of dollars. Yeah, it's crazy. It's going to be the most expensive NBA final in history. Right. And I think, I'm only bringing it up because it gets flaunted for a lot of people. There are a lot of casual Knicks fans. Last time I checked, a lot of casual U.S. Open fans, tennis. It's not just a rich man's game. Yeah, the front of the final is, but a lot of people like to go.

25:31And so you see people out there like, what is going on? Like, I can barely keep my head above water. And then there's other people, Jason Calacanis is tweeting about, you know, going to these Knicks finals games. That's fine. They're billionaires. Like, they can go. I'm just saying, I think it rubs it in a lot of people's face at a time like this. Well, I think for, I mean, for a lot of people, many, many, many Americans, maybe not a majority, but pretty close to 50 % are really living hand to mouth. And so if gas prices are up, you know, for a sustained period of time, as they have been, they're already really feeling that pain.

26:04And that's starting to trickle through to grocery store prices as well. You know, if you look at the costs of like your classic Memorial Day barbecue items, everything was up really significantly. But don't worry, because Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent tells us this is just transitory. Just hang in there, guys. It's going to go away quickly. Of course, we've been hearing that for three months now at this point. In fact, somebody had put together a compilation of like all these Trump officials being like, oh, it'll come right back down. Don't worry about it. This was, again, months ago. Let's go ahead and take a listen to Treasury Secretary Scott Besson.

26:35Sir, on the economy, two words, resilience and prosperity. The continued resilience of the economy speaks for itself, even during the Iran conflict. And it speaks to the strength of your leadership. Pro-growth policies are creating conditions for American families and businesses to prosper. We're entering the second half of our 250th anniversary year with renewed optimism and momentum. It has never been a better time to be an American, and as you said earlier, we have a record number of Americans working. The economy that you are building is not only strong, but secure and resilient and better positioned to compete globally.

27:17Real GDP has risen 2.7 % over the past four quarters, something that many economists said couldn't be done. In the first quarter of 2026, despite Iran conflict, GDP grew at a 2 % annual rate. The Atlanta Fed GDP now is predicting 4.3 % for this quarter. In terms of prices, I believe the prices are transitory. Oil will be lower than pre-conflict levels when this ends. Natural gas is already down, as you mentioned. Drug and pharmaceutical prices, they are plummeting and rent is down. That word transitory gives me PCSD, Sagar. Yeah, I know. Well, it should. I mean, you know, this is not to get too deep into the weeds around all of this.

28:07But, you know, they have the same logic as the Biden administration did. And they're actually doing the exact same thing. So if people recall the insane transitory debates of the time, many of the transitory, you know, team transitory and all of that was the idea that the supply side would be resolved. Ultimately, that's not what happened. And the reason why it didn't happen is they didn't have aggressive government action. There was also the – there was the invasion of Ukraine. So really those two things together, high gas, COVID shock, basically nothing ever went down. And then housing in particular just because of supply and even some market dynamics.

28:42I think that's another huge part of it as well just because assets have gone so wildly up over the last five or six years. And then there's a limited amount of housing stock. So that's why housing prices have skyrocketed, especially in very high cost of living areas. But here, they're making the same piece where, oh, it'll just go back down because the supply side thing will resolve itself. It cannot resolve itself entirely. You have had 80-something days of the Strait of Hormuz that's closed, period. We've had too many oil and energy experts on to discuss what that level of shock to the system will look like.

29:17Like per Rory, our resident energy expert, he was like, look, oil was trading at$60 a barrel before the war. We would probably be in the 50s right now if the war hadn't happened. Oil's at 100. So you really think things are going to go back down to 50? Like, no, I don't think so. It will remain elevated. And I think even the White House at one point honestly said, yes, gas will not be below$3 a gallon for like a year. Yes, I think that's correct. Fundamentally, even$350 and all that. a national average of that seems pretty much baked in for a long while. I guess it all depends on your definition of transitory.

29:53Yeah, that's true. Because over a long enough time frame, it is transitory, right? I mean, even the last one, eventually the supply issues worked themselves out and things got back more or less to normal and inflation had come down quite a bit back to sort of normal levels. That doesn't mean the prices went back to what they were. Oh, no, no. It just means that the rate of increase had slowed. So yeah, over the long term, will this be quote unquote transitory? Yes. But for Americans who are struggling right now with no end really in sight and us continuing to bomb and run and Trump threatening to blow up Oman just for funsies, it's not looking too great here.

30:33Let's go and put this next one up on the screen just in terms of where we are with the deal. So Iranian state TV is saying that the draft deal with the US would reopen Hormuz shipping and the naval blockade. But again, there's so much dispute and disagreement. This runs sort of, you know, the Iranian conception here runs counter to the Trump conception that Oman would have no involvement whatsoever. Iran continues to expect that while they will not charge a quote-unquote toll, there will be some sort of fee for service. So in their minds, we are not going back to a previous Hormuz status quo. And yet that seems to be now where Trump is really pushing things towards.

31:11We can also put a six up on the screen. The, you know, this White House account saying that the report from Iranian controlled media is not true. The memo of understanding they released is a complete fabrication. No one should believe what Iranian state media is putting out. In all caps, facts matter. So the draft proposal that had come out in the press that had been discussed, they're saying, no, no, no, this is not it whatsoever. However, again, not a good sign that we've sort of seen this before when Trump had originally come out and said, OK, we've agreed to use their 10 point framework as the basis for negotiations.

31:47And then when there was pushback from the neocons, then the White House quickly came out. Oh, no, no, no. The 10 point plan you guys saw, that's not it at all. Like, that's not remotely what we're talking about here. And so this seems, again, the same playbook of denying the reality of what the Iranian position actually is because Trump cannot accept and be seen to have taken such a loss in this conflict. And that, again, is the central barrier to being able to conclude this thing. Yep. That's the problem is that if the details become public to what they would actually agree to, it would be an unambiguous failure for the White House.

32:25This is, again, explains the Abraham Accords. And so in a weird way, the longer that this continues, I think it benefits It's Trump because gas is where it is. He says he doesn't care. I'll just believe him. I think one of the reasons why they don't care is because where the S &P is. I mean, literally every single day. Let me look at the futures. It's down a bit this morning. It's down a little bit. Not too bad. I mean, overall, we're still talking about like crazy all-time highs. So, well, if the market's going to be at all-time highs, that's what he and most of the people in his administration care about.

32:56There's no real market signal. Even oil at$100 a barrel or national gas price of$430 a gallon. Look, it's a crisis for a lot of people, but it's not for them. It's not$6, which they think that people would be panicking. So they have the runway. They think that they can just continue this on again, off again. Because as long as that happens, kind of like Afghanistan, then nobody has to just put their hands up and be like, yeah, this was a horrific failure. A historic disaster. Even though anyone could recognize it in Afghanistan starting in 2007, maybe earlier on, 2005. But it took until 2021 for everybody's eyes to become fully open.

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36:16So we've had obviously a number of Ebola outbreaks, unfortunately not unusual. This already, though, is the third worst outbreak that we have seen. And you can see here on the map where the worst spread is. You've had already hundreds of deaths, 223 deaths that have been linked to this outbreak. You've had 900 suspected cases. Remember, this is an area where it is very difficult to get actual real information. There is a lot of skepticism of the local population in terms of aid workers coming in. So it is hard to know exactly what the case number is, but we can see the way that it has expanded.

36:56The other problem is that it appears it was detected quite late, where there had already been significant spread before the World Health Organization and other global health organizations or, you know, the U.S. health organizations detected that this Ebola strain was was there. and was spreading. There's a few reasons for that. Number one, it is more of a rare strain of Ebola. It's not the most common one. So it wasn't the one that they were routinely testing for. That's number one. Number two, you have a situation where we completely defunded USAID. So a lot of our aid workers who had been there, who may have been in an ability to do an early warning of, oh, I hear that there's some weird thing that is spreading here.

37:41They weren't there. So that may also have hindered the response. And then you also have, you know, this is obviously a war-torn area. This part of the DRC is kind of like a rebel stronghold. It's far from the capital. So the fact of the remote location of where this began to develop is also part of the problem. But health experts are saying that this is actually the most rapid spread that they've seen. So even though it's not yet the worst outbreak, it has a lot of momentum, which is why this is so disturbing and why people are paying so much attention to it. Let's go and put B3 up on the screen here.

38:16You can see that Uganda has also closed its border with Congo, where suspected cases of this rare Ebola type are surging. They ordered that closure. This is actually in defiance of what the World Health Organization had recommended. And I'll tell you why. Their their view is that this border is extremely porous. There's, you know, paths that go back and walking paths that go back and forth across this border, across the entire length of it. And so their view, the World Health Organization's view, is if you close down the official border crossings, you're just going to push people to those informal crossings.

38:53And it's actually going to make it more difficult to detect the spread and be able to stop, you know, stop this virus from spreading. So that's kind of what we know about the extent of the cases here. But there's all kinds of problems in terms of the response. I can put B4 up on the screen. You've had a number of instances where family members, in this instance, they stormed an Ebola hospital, demanding the return of the dead. One of the things that's been instituted in the Congo is that you have to use official authorities to conduct burials, because that is one of the ways that Ebola is primarily spread.

39:31It has to be direct contact with bodily fluids. And so the burial rites are one of the places that they're really trying to get a hold on. And I was telling you, Sagar, I was doing kind of like a deep dive into, okay, well, why are people so skeptical? Because you also have aid workers that are like getting attacked, who are coming in, trying to spread information and trying to help out. You had Doctors Without Borders tents that were set on fire, where you had a number of suspected infected patients who escaped. And it kind of has a lot of parallels, but in a more extreme form, of like the vaccine and other medical skepticism here in the U.S., which tends to be among populations that have been directly abused and have reason to be skeptical of the medical establishment.

40:16In Congo, you can imagine that is taken to an extreme because you've had all kinds of outsiders come in to basically steal their natural resources and wealth. So when you have people coming in from the outside that you haven't seen before, telling you you've got to do all these things that you don't want to do, there's a natural resistance. Another reason is because this is a part of the Congo that is like a rebel stronghold. And so if the official government is telling you like, oh, no, you've got this outbreak and you've got to do all these special things, there's a natural skepticism there.

40:44And then again, because we defunded USAID, so we don't have these health workers who have been on the ground, who have built that sort of trust. Now they see all of these health workers coming in and they're like, oh, you lost your payday. So now this is your chance to get back on the gravy train. There's all kinds of rumors that they get paid, the health workers get paid per case that's identified, et cetera. So there's significant skepticism. Yeah, this is very COVID. Yeah, there's significant skepticism that Ebola even is a thing and not just some like invented concoction to further subjugate the population.

41:18And again, given their history, you can understand where they're coming from, even though it's incorrect. I don't know. The more you're talking, I'm like, maybe I'm on the Congolese side here. You can see why you think that way. Yeah, it's not just like, oh, they're ignorant and they don't get it. It's like, no, this is people who have been incredibly abused, traumatized, exploited, et cetera. So when you suddenly have all these people coming in, oh, I'm going to save you, they're like, who are you and what are you really doing here? Totally. So that obviously inhibits the response. I mean, also, you know, so first of all, like you said, I didn't realize all of that, But I did know about the rebel issue when I was reading about it and how far and how difficult that also makes it.

41:52So you have government authorities coming into a rebel area. And look, I mean, I do think what this highlights is this. First of all, Ebola, I'm not worried about this becoming a global pandemic the way COVID was. One of the things that we learned a lot during COVID was that why it became so deadly is airborne and the proximity for how. Sorry, not why COVID spread so easily, not deadly, was because it was airborne and spreads very, very easily. Whereas Ebola literally only spreads through direct contact with bodily fluids. And I also, isn't it the whole, like, it actually kills you so fast it's not that easy to spread?

42:23Yes. Because it's so deadly to the body. Your ideal for a virus, you know, from the virus's perspective, is that it is deadly but not in a large proportion of the cases. Because if you kill the host, then you're unlikely to be able to propagate. Exactly. So, yes, unfortunately, the fact that it is so brutal and so deadly is one of the things that it has going for it. in terms of it not spreading too far. But still, you know, for people in this region and for concerns with global air travel, et cetera, it's obviously something that has to be taken very seriously. Yeah, and that's another thing we learned about, the global interconnectedness, how easy it is and how often we'll see somebody who, you know, you're like, how could somebody from the Congo end up here?

43:02It's like, well, it's not that hard. You can get there in less than 16 hours. Like, that's all it took. I remember the last Ebola outbreak. We had multiple doctors and others that were present here in the U.S. And remember, there were cameras on all the hospitals and all those things. I do think I think I think this was an important story for the reason why you let off with, which is CDC. And I do think it actually bears out like the genuine dual crisis that we have right now in public health, which is first and foremost, a significant part of the population. My hand up. The last people I would want in charge are the Biden era people who bungled the last public health disaster.

43:36A significant reason why Jay Bhattacharya and Marty Macri and RFK Jr., I mean, literally, I think the number one reason why RFK Jr. is a current HHS secretary is because of the COVID response. Now, I'm not also going to sit here and say they've done a whole bang-up job, right, because that hasn't happened either. And so what we've seen is a significant, significant, verified, and in my opinion, appropriate skepticism of the broad public health establishment. I mean, Dr. Tedros from WHA is the same COVID guy, right? I remember all of the nonsense that they were spewing around over COVID, many of the lies.

44:11But then also we have to deal with, well, oh, but we also have now these Maha guys who are in charge. They've defunded. It doesn't seem like they're all that competent either. So we had a crisis of competence, I think, on literally all levels here in the United States when we're facing now a genuine disaster potentially here with Ebola. And people are going to freak out. That's one of the reasons we're covering it early. I remember – I mean do you remember 2014 with Obama, the whole – It was a national story. It was wall to wall. Yeah, I forgot. Yeah. So it was wall to wall coverage. Tracking one guy coming in and everyone's cameras tracking him from the airport.

44:47I remember I freaked out. I went to the same bowling alley as one of the guys who was a doctor at Ebola. And they had to shut the whole bowling alley down. Oh, my God. And we were all like, oh, my God, we're going to get Ebola. But this is a big thing, I remember. So anyway, we're covering it now for that reason. But this is going to highlight, I think, the same problem. them is that worrying, you know, expert opinion. We don't have a real public health infrastructure here in the United States. RFK Jr. and others are not trusted by a vast swath of the country. The others, you know, many of these other docs, I don't trust them either.

45:19So you're like, okay, what do we do? And then when this hyper politicization, especially with Trump now in charge, I mean, there's, there's, there's a crisis, I think of competence and of trust right now in public health, which is look, RFK and others were supposed to restore it. They haven't done so. And And honestly, I think that's part of the tragedy. It's part of the reason why people were so upset and concerned about the Hantavirus spread as well. Because I think everyone with three brain cells looks at this and is like, if there's another pandemic, we're so fucked. Like in every way, there's no trust.

45:49The agencies here have been dismantled. They've been doged to death. You've got wildly incompetent people who are in charge. And you can see here, too, some of the fallout of, OK, completely dismantling USAID. There are some consequences to that. And one of them is that we didn't have people there to be able to identify this spread. Now, like you said, I don't think that this is a grave threat to the U.S. because of the nature of Ebola. You know, it's horrific for the people who are impacted in the region. But as a drug threat to the U.S., I'm not deeply concerned about it. But it's a warning sign.

46:24OK, well, what if it wasn't Ebola? What if it was something that spread more easily? What if it was a virus that, you know, was not so deadly that it killed the host, but deadly enough that it's going to kill millions of people like COVID did? We are not at all prepared to detect that. We're not prepared to be part of the global response. Our own domestic facilities are, you know, in shambles. The level of population trust is complete and utter chaos and disaster. What if your soda actually did something for you? Introducing Sky Pop Protein Soda. With 10 grams of complete protein, zero sugar, and 45 calories, Sky Pop Protein Soda offers four delicious flavors with big taste and real benefits.

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48:18Visit Bahamar.com today. You know, I thought there was a quote here from a former CDC director who said that it's too simplistic to tie the Trump administration actions. This is the Axios report, the B6, that it's too simplistic to tie the Trump administration actions to late detection of the virus. But he said dismantle dismantlement of USAID, withdrawal from the World Health Organization and deep cuts to the CDC staff delivered what he described as a one, two, three punch to global health architecture. It's sort of like climate change where it's very hard to say, OK, this climate event is because of these, you know, this level of temperature rise or whatever.

48:57But you can look at the overall framework and say, yeah, this probably did not help. So this is I don't disagree with genuinely a word you're saying. I just am not going to sit here and live in a world where USAID was some great functioning organization, right? Or it was like, oh, it was like it was a money laundering organization for the CIA. It occasionally also did some good work. Well, it did both. Yeah, right. But there's consequences to, you know, just completely defunding all of that public health architecture. I don't disagree. I don't disagree. Same with CDC. It's like we shouldn't also live in a world where every CDC bureaucrat was some like incredible public servant.

49:30Like, no, they massively fucked up the last pandemic. I will tell you this, for me, the way you probably feel about Trump and RFK Jr., I feel that way about both. If I have some masked-up freak telling me about what to do with this pandemic, I'm doing a hell of a lot of research this time around. Saying people, oh, Dr. Fauci and all these, no, no, no, no. For me to put a mask back on or put some vaccine again in my arm, the amount of skepticism that's going into that is going to be 200 times fold. From Dr. Tedros, from CDC, from anybody. I never thought I would be the person who's sitting here trying to read preprints of pharmaceutical studies.

50:03But I am now, have to be, after what I just lived through. Now, I'm not saying you should sit here and say, oh, yeah, RFK, you tell me what to do and I'm going to do it. No, that's also not the case. But that's the issue, I think, that we— I mean, Trump and the HH, the revolution of Trump in particular, which a lot of us forget now this time around. It's been—I get it. But in the beginning, a large part of it was the Biden skepticism of the way CDC, WHO and everybody handled the last pandemic. That is kind of crazy because Trump was the one who was president during the last pandemic. Oh, sure, sure.

50:34Well, I'm not I'm not defending him either. I'm just saying like the the rewriting of that is kind of wild since he was the one who was actually president during the initial outbreak that implemented the initial measures. Biden did a lot to roll all of that back. But, you know, I mean, I would just say that I share some of your critique, certainly, of the COVID response, especially, I mean, things like, you know, once we figure it out. School closures. The school closures is to be the most cut and dry, where once we figure it out that, OK, this is not particularly, you know, it's very unlikely to be deadly to a child.

51:07And now we can see the learning loss that, I mean, we still have kids who are recovering, especially lower income. There's no doubt about that. I would just say, look, as flawed as it was, I would take them every day over what we've got now, which is like completely defunded. RFK Jr. is a maniac crank. And to me, it's the difference between, OK, if you think about the pharmaceutical industry, which I have a lot of critiques of, and the fact that money is so central to it and the way all of that works and the revolving door, I've got a lot of concerns and problems with all of that. I would trust them a million times over the snake oil supplement salesman, which is what RFK Jr.

51:47will pump up all kinds of bizarre supplements. Those have no testing. Those have no efficacy. They can lie to you directly, and there's effectively no regulation of it. The pharma can lie to you directly, too. No, but there are at least you have to go through clinical trials, and there is a process, and the thing usually works the way that it's supposed to. I would trust that million times over the supplement industry and the snake oil salesman, which is effectively what we I do think it is, and which is effectively what we put in charge of the public health apparatus. No, see, the current the previous CC.

52:20I mean, think about all the lies from masking to the vaccine to the booster shots, the mandates that were put in place. I mean, the vaccine didn't work like period. End of story. It was OK. Not in the way that they said it was. That's not what they said in the first place. out there saying that if you get your child circumcised, it's going to give them autism. Okay. That's what we're dealing with now, Sagar. Yeah. What am I saying here? And all the infectious disease specialists have been, you know, all of that has been dismantled. I didn't mean for this to turn into this, but like, don't forget we had the same public health authority said it's because racism is a virus.

52:51It's okay for people to go outside and to protest. But for if you have a mass protest or whatever, that you're actually violating public health. I remember a lot of mandates will engage in gay bondage porn while posting it on time. Like, let's not forget who some of the freakazoids who were in the previous administration. So you would take this over that? No, I'm saying both are bad. Okay, but this is worse. No, I wouldn't say it's worse. It is absolutely worse. It is a mess. They've accomplished nothing. All they've done is dismantle the public health apparatus that exists. I am not ignoring those disasters.

53:29I was here with you covering them, and I share your skepticism. But to replace them with just a bunch of influencer cranks who just make shit up. But why is the previous - Why is the person I - Why was the guy who I just laid out here, literally who's posting and celebrating his gay kink porn while working at the CEC, who is in charge of my child's vaccine schedule? I don't even know who you're talking about. Oh, I'll send you exactly what I did. But, Trader, again - But no, this is a very serious person. You won RFK Jr. over that. Yeah, yes. Do you think things are better now than the way they were when you had actual people who were at least professional and trying to follow some sort of scientific guidance?

54:07How could you say that that's professional? It's not professional. The same people were talking about racism is so horrible. Racism is horrible. OK, sure. Go out and protest. But if somebody else wants to protest, that's not OK. I mean, everybody should have been allowed to protest. And there were plenty of protests against the mandates as well. They said one thing was fine and one thing wasn't. You have to lock down for this. You shouldn't lock down for that. Like, that was a serious problem. I am not denying that, Sagar. But I'm saying at least you had some professionals who had some expertise.

54:34But that's not professional. Now you have all you have with these people between Doge and the RFK Jr. approach. All you've had is a complete dismantling of the entire public health approach and a replacement with a bunch of cranks who just make shit up. That's what I'm saying. Based on vibes. You're saying that the other people weren't cranks either. That is crank behavior. saying that mandating vaccines for a one-year-old is crank behavior, mandating vaccines or lockdowns and school closures and recommending all that. That's crank. Vaccines literally save millions of lives. Hey, well, in terms of reducing hospitalization.

55:07I would much rather have those vaccines going out to the public and millions of lives saved and going a little too far than saying let her rip and millions of people can just die and it is what it is. The sins committed in the direction that we agree with are fine. What I'm trying to point out is that I think that what a lot have happened with RFK Jr. and others for dismantling, let's say, of some organizations. And what they have done has not been necessarily good. But I will never sit here and defend the previous public health regime and system. That's all I'm trying to say, is you can recognize the disaster and dramatic failures and then also see, yes, we were supposed to have a revolution in a different direction.

55:44Ultimately, I don't think it's gone in the correct competence way that it has. But we cannot, I just, I cannot sit here and ignore the absolute failures. No one is ignoring that. But you say you prefer it, and I don't prefer that at all. I'm saying they took something that was bad, and they made it vastly worse. And there is no doubt in my mind, if we had a pandemic now, it would be way worse. And I just don't think that there's any doubt about that. The response would be worse. These people are incompetent. They're out here like, we're looking for some volunteers to go to the airport to screen for Ebola.

56:12Good luck with that. We've got measles, outbreaks, diseases from the past coming back, and complete obliteration. I mean, yes, there was damage to public trust that was done under the previous approach. But is anyone going to believe what RFK Jr. has to say about anything when he just makes up insane things which are completely ideological? I will treat it with the same skepticism that I did under Dr. Anthony Fauci. That's what I'm trying to say, and I can see very clearly how we will be in that position. I will also blame them because they're the people who are in charge if that's where we end up.

56:50And this is, look, this is why we had to cover this, because this is the reality. We're going to have Annie Jacobson on soon to talk about her biological war book. And, like, this is probably the number one thing I'm, like, most worried about now. After seeing, because, look, like I said, Ebola is not the big threat. But I'm like, okay, well, these people are in charge now. As you said, fair, fair. It's all fair. We can debate DOGE, CDC, and all that other cuts. Many people, like me, will remember many of the failures of the previous administration, too. And basically anything the government tells me from now on, I'm like, yeah, we'll see.

57:21We'll see. That's basically kind of where I'm at. And I think a lot of liberals now, like yourself, are in that position because of the people. I'm not a liberal, but anyway. You know what I mean? How dare you offend me that way? I apologize. A lot of people who are against the Trump administration, the catch-all, right, are now also in a similar position to where some of us were under the Biden administration. And I think that is genuinely like a crisis point for public health. Again, it was the Trump administration where COVID was, most of the COVID response was. Okay, sure. What? So to say that, what, Biden didn't preside over?

57:52No, I'm just saying there's such an erasure of, you know, what the early decision making and the way that went down. And there's such a like, there's just such a fabrication of reality around the fact that the COVID response was all under Biden when that's not true at all. I mean, yeah, we covered it together. The masking, school lockdowns, all that all happened under Trump. It was, Warp Speed was under Trump too, which a lot of people, also forget. Yeah, well, in my opinion, warp speed was one of the best things that Trump did. All right. Well, there you go. All right. Let's get to Hormuz. What if your soda actually did something for you?

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