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26:16You know, I don't I've never taken an APAC funded trip and I don't take. Seems fun, though. Yeah, I mean, I don't know about that, but, you know, I've never taken like those kinds of funded trips. Yeah. But which is probably another reason why I haven't gone. But but in terms of visiting, I'd be more than I would be more than happy to. You think there needs to be action taken after they detained him, especially the idea of playing a role in taking the side of the settlers? You think there should be sanctions, anything like that? I think there should be sanctions. And then beyond, you know, of course, what happened to Congressman Kanna is unacceptable.

26:53And also we need answers on the murders of many U.S. citizens at the hands of settlers and the Israeli government. You know, we still do not have accountability on U.S. journalists and other people. And so I think absolutely, absolutely, we need to we needed to have been instituting these sanctions in a much harsher way for a very long time. So there was a very interesting moment there in that exchange where Julian asks if she'd be willing to take a similar Palestinian led trip to the West Bank, like similar to the one that Ro Khanna just took. And she brought up how the Israelis had blocked Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar from traveling there, I believe it was in 2019.

27:38And at the time, she had said as long as they were blocked from going, that in solidarity, she would also refuse to go. But she's now saying, as you saw there, that she would that she would be willing to go on a Palestinian trip to the to the West Bank, which I expect now that she has made that pledge. We're going to see that. And as more members of Congress take that trip and see for themselves kind of what the apartheid-like conditions are on the ground, I think you're going to continue to see American policy among Democrats slide further and further in a more skeptical and hostile direction when it comes to supporting Israel.

28:18And I think one test of that is going to be today in the House of Representatives. Thomas Massey, who was ousted by AIPAC in a primary, is still serving out the rest of his term and has put forward an amendment which is a very blunt amendment that will get a vote on the House floor, which would block all aid to Israel, military and otherwise. And so yesterday you had Hakeem Jeffries, the Democratic leader, come out and say that he opposes it because he said it's too blunt and it would affect transfers to humanitarian aid, to Palestinians and such. And either way, it's not going through the Senate.

29:00So it's really just a kind of symbolic vote to see where members of Congress are. But importantly, Jeffrey said that he was voting against it, but he understood if other Democrats voted for it. That's what they call a vote of conscience on Capitol Hill, where you're not required to vote party line. I mean, you're obviously not required. You report only to your constituents. But if you break with the party on a vote where they're whipping, it's going to then come with consequences from the party leadership. And what Jeffries is saying here is that there would be no consequences for members who either vote president, vote or vote yes.

29:38Although he said he personally is going to be voting no. So J Street, the liberal Zionist organization, put out a statement saying the same thing, that they oppose the amendment, but they also understand that this is an unusual opportunity for members of Congress to go on record against military aid to Israel. And so they will support members who vote yes on it. And that support ends up being helpful and can be helpful in primary campaigns. Now, at the same time, if a Democratic member of Congress votes no on this or votes present, what they're doing is they're putting themselves on a list of people who are going to be researched to be primaried by populist progressive organizations like Justice Democrats, DSA, and others who are trying to figure out who are the ones who are with us, who are the ones who are against us, who are the ones that are vulnerable.

30:34And so I think, you know, there's some reporting that you could see a huge number of Democrats kind of swing and end up supporting this Massey Amendment. Meanwhile, we can put up E3. The NDAA, which includes the provision, which would fuse elements of the Israeli and American militaries, was blocked in the United States Senate by Democrats. Democrats. Now, it was, you know, some Democrats in the Senate spoke out about the provision that that merged the Israeli and American militaries. Overall, what they were objecting to here was the restarting of the Iran war, which, by the way, is completely illegal.

31:22Like the Congress has passed a war powers resolution that says the president cannot engage in war with Iran. He's just doing it illegally anyway. And so we'll be tracking the debate and the vote on the House floor. And I'm sure Crystal and Sager will be covering that tomorrow when they're here. Up next, we've got congressional candidate Donovan McKinney running in Detroit. Hi, I'm Chris Fairbanks. And I'm Karen Kilgariff. We host Do You Need a Ride, the mobile comedy podcast that answers the question, what does it sound like when we drive our comedian friends around the wild streets of Los Angeles.

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34:26Tune in this week for my interview with Dr. Jill Wittler, a street doctor turned influencer whose work with the unhoused community has made a huge impact online and in her community. Listen to We The In House on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So in 2018, a man named Sri Thanedar, who had made his fortune in some quite curious ways, which we'll talk about in a moment, met with a group of Republican consultants telling them that he wanted to run for governor. And he had a very unusual question for them. what party should I run in? The consultants, and we wrote about this at the Intercept back at the time, the consultant said back to him, well, what party are you in?

35:17And he said, well, isn't that up? You guys are the consultants. Like, you tell me. Like, and they're very confused. Like, well, what do you believe? And he's like, what do you mean, what do I believe? Like, you're the political consultants. You tell me what I believe. And then I run for governor. They eventually told him, look, we've never heard of anything like this from a political candidate before. I don't think this is a good fit for you and us. Eventually, he decided that he was a Democrat and he was going to run for governor as a Democrat. He was leading in the polls for some time until that story emerged, plus a story about some Beagle abuse, which we'll get into in a moment, also came out.

35:58So in 2022, He spent his considerable fortune instead running for Congress. He was challenged at the time by AIPAC, who saw this Shri Thanedar coming onto the scene, and they were concerned that maybe this guy is anti-Israel. We don't really know. So they spent millions of dollars against him. He spent millions of his own money, and he won. Afterwards, he became one of AIPAC's biggest allies in Congress. Now he's being challenged by State Representative Donovan McKinney, who has the backing of DSA as well as Justice Democrats. And so State Representative McKinney, thank you for joining us. I want to run through a bunch of this today.

36:43This is it's one of the strangest political journeys I think I've ever seen. That's just the tip of the iceberg. What did I miss about Congressman Thanedar here? No, Eric, I just appreciate you and inviting us on your show. I'm a big fan of Breaking Points. Oh, I'd love to hear it. But like what Sheree, he's a conundrum of all sorts. He's voted to thank ICE last year. He's increased the Department of ICE budget multiple times sitting on that committee as a sitting legislator, as well as he tried to introduce legislation to abolish ICE just a few months later because we're gaining steam in our campaign.

37:30And so he's trying to do some things that are politically feasible. He's taking money from ICE contractors to our utility companies, Monopoly Utility, DTE, to APAC, Crypto. Funny story about him, Eric, he's the first congressional member. in the history of Congress to invest campaign money into cryptocurrency. And so, you know, he's representing one of the poorest districts in the country, and we need somebody that is going to put the people of this district top of mind, and that's why we decided to run and take a shot at it so we can bring some real representation back to Michigan's 13th district.

38:11Yeah, his connection to the Beagle testing lab was one of the, you know, among all the crazy things about the guy, is one of the craziest. I want to play F1 because this is one of the things you've been using to go after him. Do F1, please. I'm Donovan McKinney, and I approve this message. We have new information now on Shri Tanadar. He's a Democrat and running to be Michigan's next. Shri Tanadar tested drugs on dogs that left them to die. Look, I love animals. The allegations involved mistreatment of dogs and monkeys used for testing. The dogs were found abandoned without food and water. Employees had to break into the building to save them.

38:49Billionaire pharma executive Sri Tandar left 100 beagles to die. Sri Tandar, one sick puppy. So this was something that did come up in the 2018 campaign. So tell us, what happened with his abandoned beagles? So he owned a pharmaceutical company. He sold half of it. uh and so uh it's actually he he made probably like double the money back um because it actually increased in value um like doubled in value so uh he made the money back and then some but the pharmaceutical company tested uh drugs on on dogs and animals and pretty much when he sold half of it and closed up shop um at a lot of facilities he just left all these animals abandoned, over 100 beagles, some monkeys, just terrible all around human beings for doing that.

39:42And so, you know, think about this. If he's wanted to abandon those dogs, just imagine what he's doing in the seat of Congress. He's abandoning the people of the 13th District here in Michigan. Yeah. And it was one of kind of one of those pump and dump schemes where you kind of take the company, you drive up the fake value of it, you take your piece of it, and then you bankrupt the thing. And then, yeah, when he bankrupts it, just walk away. And whatever it's doing, yeah, exactly, just keeps unfolding. I want people to get a sense of him himself. Let's roll F2. This is when he became allies with AIPAC, deeply thanking them for the help.

40:23Hi, this is Congressman Shri Tanidar, proudly representing Detroit and the Michigan's 13th District. Here I am a whole week in Israel learning about this little country that is surrounded by terrorism and how it's important that the United States and Israel must have a strong relationship. But more importantly, also that I, as an entrepreneur, I met many young innovators, entrepreneurs, and I'm talking to them about collaborating with the city of Detroit and working with the rich culture of Detroit and the innovation and entrepreneurship in Israel to make better things for both countries and the people of my district and the people of Israel.

41:15My sense is that Sri was hoping that the enough APEC support plus his own money, plus then a divided field of opponents would be enough for him to be able to continue to get reelected in Detroit. Right. How how did you your political operation and the community more broadly avoid that trap of having, you know, if you have three or four credible, good candidates who are all better than the incumbent than it are, voters are like, well, what do I do? Like, who do I who do I pick to beat him? But now it's pretty much a one on one race. How did you get to that place? So we started off. So how he ended up in Congress in the first place, he won in a nine-way primate.

41:59Right, exactly. And this is one of the only, if not the only majority black congressional district in the current country not represented by a black person. And so, you know, it was nine black or eight black people in the race plus him. So the vote got really split. And he won with, I believe, 28 % of votes, something like that, with like just a couple thousand votes or so, a couple percentage points. And the second time around in the 24 election, there was a couple of women, black women on the ballot, but they didn't have the money. And some of them had a lot of baggage that he exploited with APAC money and his own money because he's also a self-founder.

42:42He's a multimillionaire. That left a lot of bad taste in a lot of people's mouth. This time around, a bunch of folks tried to do it. We had conversations initially, and people either decided to drop out to support our candidacy or got kicked off the ballot. Because it's crazy because the incumbent, Cherie, he's the one who challenged a lot of people's signatures and got it kicked off. So it's like a catch-22 in a sense because he literally dug his own grave. And because of that, we have a great opportunity of winning the seat. And we're building the biggest and baddest coalition in the country.

43:28We have over 150-plus endorsements from congressional members on the federal, state, local, county, and local levels to faith leaders, to all the unions, Metro, the Michigan AFL-CIO. I come out of the SCIU movement. I'm a labor organizer. I got UAW, you name it. To all the progressive organizations on the ground, faith leaders, we are building a big unit and a big coalition to take him out, to take him and his money out. Because organized people can beat organized money every time. And that's what we're looking to do in less than three weeks away from the election day, August 4th. Tell us a little bit about yourself.

44:09I know you grew up poor in, was it northern Detroit? Like what was your... Northeast Detroit. Yeah. So what was your upbringing like and like how did you become political? Like, do you remember a moment where you realized that you're that you recognize the power of kind of organizing and people power to do something about the conditions facing your community? Was it was that a gradual thing? Like, yeah. Like, yeah. What brought you here? Yeah, no, good question. And I grew up with my mom, my brother, and my grandmother. We moved around over 13 times across the city of Detroit. Spent the vast majority of my life in northeast Detroit.

44:46But there was times we lived in cars, shelters, sometimes on the street. There were days where we didn't know where our next meal was going to come from. But I remember what the principles my grandmother raised me on. and one of them is no matter what happens in your life there will always be people worse off than you there will always be people better off than you but to never fight the urge to give never fight the urge to give eric and i put that i put her quote on my first piece of literature when i ever ran for state house and i still live by that principle today and it led me to a life of public service to helping people understanding that we're no better than anyone else and vice versa but we all have to utilize our God-given talents and abilities to serve people.

45:32And at the end of the day, so many folks are struggling. They need folks to be their most authentic selves, but they need people who are going to rise to the occasion and meet the urgency of this moment. I got seniors on fixed income, Eric, that literally make, you know, receive$900 a month from Social Security every month. Literally, their rent is$800, right? Their food assistance from the federal government just got cut down to less than$30 a month. And their out-of-pocket costs to do doctor visits and for prescription drugs has skyrocketed. And so every few weeks, they have to make a conscious decision.

46:10Either I'm going to have food at the table, I'm going to be able to eat, I'm going to be able to pay my rent, or I'm going to have to figure out ways to have some dollars for my life-saving medicine. These are the conditions of our district and people are going through. Folks are working two, three jobs, not even making ends meet anymore, Eric. And so for me, this is deeper than politics. This is about adhering to the moment and the needs of the people in the district, not sending money for bombs and weapons to kill families and children overseas, and not for any type of foreign influence or special interest or running a grassroots campaign.

46:47not taking any corporate PAC money, APAC money at all. We've raised over a million dollars so far, Eric. The average donation in our campaign is$30. And so when people are looking at this nationwide movement and when people are looking for leaders to step up, to not only meet the moment, but to be present and fight for them and what they care about, that's why we're running and that's why a lot of people are grabbing towards our campaign. And that's how we're going to win on Tuesday, August 4th. And you were endorsed by Bernie Sanders. Early on, you were endorsed by Justice Democrats. And last month, the kind of Metro Detroit DSA endorsed your campaign.

47:25And I know that when it happened, there was there was an argument internally. They're like, well, he's not been a longtime kind of DSA member, but but he he supports everything that we believe in. And so, you know, the argument carried the day to say, like, let's let's get behind him. There's also been this national pushback from the right about DSA saying that it's a bunch of white gentrifiers, which is kind of ironic to hear Republicans complaining that something's white. But anyway, we'll we'll we'll let them have their fun over there. um but so i'm curious when it comes to dsa i think dsa desperately wants to have more people who grew up poor in northeast detroit um organizing behind democratic socialism so what what's your relationship been like with them and what what advice do you have to dsa chapters both in detroit and also uh you know around the country about how they can be more resonant in neighborhoods like the ones that you grew up in and kind of push back against some of that criticism that they get for being kind of white outsiders coming in to put like a fancy democratic socialism label on their gentrifying politics?

48:37No, I would say, listen, this is not about labels in particular. This is about the issues that are impacting the everyday life and the quality of life of our residents and community members. And I preach about it all the time, but we have to, if the Democratic Party wants to continue to act like or at least claim that a party of the people, then we need to act like it and we need to ensure that we deliver on the resources as much as possible. How I define politics is the redistribution of resources, Eric. And so if you're in these powerful positions of influence and you're at the table deciding these things, you need to bring back home resources when people are struggling to make ends meet And so, you know, to DSA, to all Democratic socialists, talk about the issues, right?

49:25The fact that people have to, like, decide if they're going to get health care or not. Their premiums are skyrocketing. More importantly, these corporations get to decide who gets health care or not, who gets to live or not, based off if they have a pre-existing condition or not, right? We have so many. We live in the wealthiest country in the world, but we got so many people who are unhoused right now. Even our veterans. Is that right? No. Making sure that we have opportunities for our kids to grow up in higher education, free college, abolishing ICE, stop sending money overseas for genocide.

50:01These are the simple issues that people care about. Living in a world where our kids can be able to breathe clean air and drink clean water, that's something in my district that is near and dear to every resident of mine. So, you know, this is not necessarily about, you know, who's more socialist than whoever, but these socialist ideas, these are common sense ideas, Eric. And it makes sense when you break it down to people and you talk to them and you realize, damn, we all care about the same things for the most part. 80 % of us pretty much want the same thing. We might differ on how the execution of it and how to get there and achieve it.

50:39But in reality, most folks want to be able to work one job to not only make kids meet, have some disposable income, maybe take a family trip once in a while, have benefits to take care of their family, and a retirement to look forward to. That's what probably the most, that's the American dream. But right now, that is being wasted. There's no longer that that thing that people can capture and hold on to. And so we got to fight like hell for it. And I'm a proud DSA member. But also, I need DSA to stop over talking people and really talk to the issues at heart and what people care about day in and day out.

51:15Also wanted to get your take on the Michigan Senate race. You've endorsed Abdul El-Said, and that race may be decided in Detroit. And there's there's been some controversy in the state lately because Haley Stevens, with some with support from her outside super PACs, has been very strongly suggesting that Barack Obama is actually supporting her campaign, which is not which is not true. I want to roll. They're running ads like crazy. I just right before I hopped on, I saw four ads from, I think, I think APEX funnel group about how Haley is, you know, getting the support of Obama. It's crazy. Let me show let me show one of those ads, because, yes, I think they're over 50 million dollars at this point.

52:00And we're not. It's August 4th. So we've got a ways to go. They might spend 60, 70 million dollars in one state by the end of this. Let's let's roll F3. My husband worked at Ford for 41 years. My father worked with General Motors for 30 years. And when they came for our auto jobs, Haley Stevens stood up. She was chief of staff to President Obama's auto rescue. And Haley Stevens, by the way, she was a critical part of my team that helped the American auto industry come roaring back. That saved 200 ,000 Michigan jobs. She helped save jobs for my own family. If President Obama trusts her. So do I.

52:36Stronger Michigan is responsible for the content of this ad. So sorry to make you watch that again. You've probably seen it a thousand times at this point. So strongly suggesting that she's got the auto worker support, too, by the way, at the beginning of that. But UAW has, in fact, endorsed Abdul El-Sayed. Obama has not endorsed at all. But it's it's it seems like this these ads are breaking through and that the public is starting to believe that Obama does support Stevens. A new poll has her up seven now against El-Sayed. And I think it was a Detroit News sponsored poll. What are you on the ground?

53:10Like, is that accurate? Like, are you meeting people who are like, yeah, I'm with Stevens because Obama's behind him? behind her. I've met a few folks on the doors at different events who have heard this propaganda and have started to believe it. But I will say Abdullah has a great ground game and I think it closed that gap. People kind of see through that propaganda, so to speak, but we have to... Listen, we're going to get outspent. They're going to run more ads. They're going to try to run more attacks against Abdul as well as myself because we are the progressive candidates, the working family candidates, you know, UAW endorsed, Bernie endorsed.

53:56I mean, you name it. And so we have to come back that through people power. And so we're making these phone calls. We're knocking on the doors. We're showing up to events where people don't normally show up to. And that's how you try to figure out how to come back that and bridge the gap and bring people together to understand our message. But it's sad that we got to spend so much money in our politics. That's why me and Abdul, we both support New Citizens United, getting all corporate money out of our politics. I've led it at the state level here in Michigan to taking back our power legislation, which we couldn't get a hearing on it in Lansing.

54:33But guess what? The people on the ground and organizations on the ground decided to take our legislation, create a ballot initiative, collected over 600 ,000 signatures, and we'll know in a few weeks if the State Board of Canvases is going to approve it to put it on this year's November ballot. And Eric, if it gets on this year's November ballot, I guarantee it's going to pass with 80 % of the vote. You want to know why? Because Democrats, Republicans, independents alike understand that corporate influence in our politics is just too much. And we got to level the playing field to ensure that the people's voices are heard and can be reigned true.

55:09I also wanted to get you to respond to another controversy that's going on in Michigan and in a different race. That's kind of fascinating in the way it's been been unfolding. And this is Will Lawrence, who's running against kind of two centrist candidates, has had some of his comments from a podcast with Curry Peterson Smith, who describes himself as a black internationalist, twisted to say that he's like a racist guy. I want to roll the actual comments so that people can hear what he said and then get your reaction to it. Because I think what he's actually probing at is an interesting conversation.

55:46So let's roll F4 here. That is a contested space that we need to show up to. I mean, how do you feel? What do you think is the trajectory as a millennial black leftist? It's not something I can talk too much about because I'm white and it's not my struggle. That being said, like the extent to which the older generation of black political leadership are such a pillar, frankly, for establishment, capitalist, imperialist, American power through their role, you know, as this kind of traditionalist, establishmentist pillar of the Democratic Party. it's a big problem. It's a big problem for left politics in this country.

56:37And it gets us every single time. And it really defangs the white left and puts us in impossible positions, really. It's very effective politically. And so, I don't know, I'm curious, but we're also seeing, you know, now that unfortunately, I don't want anyone to vote for Trump, but like young black people are falling away from the Democratic Party and the support is not showing up in the same way. We'll see what happens in November. I'm curious where you think this is headed and what the younger black left needs to do in order to change this dynamic. Yeah, totally. I mean, And just to start again with a kind of like, you know, internationalist answer of a kind is this is this is a question that is faced in different places around the world where like the centrist parties and the kind of, you know, and some center left parties have just failed.

57:47I mean, I have failed to. Well, I shouldn't say fail. I'm curious for you. Obviously, it's a lot more nuanced than it got portrayed in the headlines. I'm curious what you thought when you saw the headlines, but then also where you are on kind of Will Lawrence and the general idea he's talking about there. I've met Will and known Will for some years now and on the environmental justice side of things. He comes out the Sunrise Movement. I came out of SEIU. SEIU was the first union to sign on to the Green New Deal. And so, you know, our agenda lines around environmental justice. when I first saw the headlines, I was a little taken back.

58:26I'm not going to lie, but I actually listened to it. And I'm like, man, actually, he's not totally wrong there, right? Like, me as a young black man, husband and father of three young children, ages four and younger, like, I think about my upbringing, and I think about, and I give you three examples, Eric, of what has happened that has disappointed me and not want me to even engage in the political process, but I have to because I do believe that's part of changing the landscape of not only the now but the future. What happened in the 2008 recession and housing bubble? What did the Democratic Party do at that particular time?

59:12We ended up bailing out the banks instead of the people that were going through the housing crisis. Like Michigan, in particular the city of Detroit in my district, We had the largest home ownership rate, 82 % at the time in the early 2000s, out of any city in America. And now we're plummeted. Now we're a majority-renner city right now. Because of the policies back then, the Democratic establishment decided to bail out the corporations instead of the people that needed those resources the most. Another thing, what happened with the George Floyd movement and the Black Lives Matter, right, the George Floyd Justice and Police Act.

59:49We had two black men in the U.S. Senate trying to figure out how to hash out a deal with that legislation. You had Tim Scott, Republican out of South Carolina, Cory Booker, a Democrat out of New Jersey, discussing and trying to figure out how to make it happen. But to no avail, they couldn't get it done. And that let down a lot of black people, and particularly a lot of people of color and young people, millennials especially, to be, not necessarily be hopeful in the democratic process and into politics. Another thing that let us down, and just recently happened, the Voting Rights Act, the overturning of the Voting Rights Act, how the Supreme Court just got it just a few weeks ago.

1:00:32and under Democratic leadership under Biden, we could have got the John Lewis Voting Rights and Advancement Act done, but just couldn't. And so where are we meeting the moment in terms of the Democratic Party? We're tired of the establishment. We're tired of the status quo. We're tired of people just giving us the platitudes, the talking points, just to tell us what we want to hear, Eric. We want leaders and fighters that are going to adhere to the urgency and the issues at hand. And that's why people are excited about Will. That's why they're excited about Abdul. That's why they're excited about us and our candidacy for Congress in Michigan's 13th district.

1:01:09Yeah, it's August 4th, all those primaries, and Kyle Blomquist over in somewhere else in Michigan. Yeah, Kyle. Yeah. He's in District 1. So that's northern Michigan and then the entire Upper Peninsula. Yeah. It's a kind of coalition of four candidates coming from different places, but headed in the same direction in interesting ways. So Donovan McKinney, August 4th is the primary. Thanks so much for being here. That'll do it for us today. As always, breakingpoints.com. Sign up for our new newsletter. Become a premium subscriber so you can support what we're doing. Crystal and Sager will be back here tomorrow.

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