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21:13Emily Jashinsky:It was like$30 billion in 2024. I think there are like significant problems. By the way, this is what people, not me, but people who are optimistic Doge would start targeting, is that like there is legitimate fat to be trimmed. We have a problem with workforce participation among men in particular. The Joint Economic Committee at one point, this was under Mike Lee. We can't get men to go to a doctor anyway. To go to a doctor, right. Taking their Medicaid is not actually going to get them back to work. Not the problem. That's your theory of why men are not working. Anyway, so that's actually up significantly since over the last like several decades.

21:50Emily Jashinsky:There's a lot of stuff that you could do with this, but pairing it with a tax cut just politically is a huge giveaway to Democrats. You are quite literally paying for tax cuts on the wealthy with this. And then on the other hand, morally, for a party that is now trying to represent working class Americans, you're actually not putting a dent in the debt. Right. And I know that they dispute the Congressional Budget Office analysis, which is fine because Democrats often take issue with the CBO scores. Everyone has problems with the CBO scores. CBO has absolutely been wrong. I get it. But the idea that this is going to generate enough growth to offset the revenue law.

22:30Emily Jashinsky:While you took a hammer to the IRS. Yes. It's, I mean, I think it's highly unlikely and everyone basically understands that. So you're not putting a dent in spending or the debt basically at this point. And let's also think about how we're saving the money. So, and then think about, it's often not helpful to think about, you know, the country as like a household or a company. But let's do a little exercise there. Imagine you're a company or a household and you're, you know, one of your lieutenants comes to you and says, you know what? But the way we're going to cut spending and become profitable, either as a household or as a company, we're going to stop paying our insurance, health insurance.

23:12And we're going to stop basically, in this case, whatever the equivalent is of energy production. So we're cutting half a billion dollars in investment towards energy production. And that's going to make us richer. I think the CEO would be like, okay, but we're going to need energy. So where's the energy going to come from? Because if we look at the charts of energy use, the demand is going through the roof. Guys ever hear of AI? Like it's a thing. It's going on now. It's gobbling up a lot of it.

23:43Emily Jashinsky:It's happening. Clouds. Everything's becoming electrified. Everything in your house is using more electricity than it did before. Electricity demand is going up relative to what it has been in the past. So we need more electricity production. You can hate wind, solar, batteries ideologically because you hate them. They represent two thirds of the capacity that we've added over the last year and were projected to represent more than that going forward. So now you're going to do more natural gas, like more oil. There are limits to what you can do. So what you're actually going to do is get rolling blackouts.

24:23You're just, you know, demand is going to outstrip the supply that you have. And then you go, you're like, wait a minute, we're going to stop paying our insurance bill? Are our employees or our family members all of a sudden not going to get sick? No, Americans are still going to get sick. Where are they going to go? Oh, they're going to go to the emergency room now. Who's going to pay for that? The hospital is going to pay for that. Oh, also the hospital that is now getting provider tax hit, you know, hit with a provider tax too. This is projected to throw 17 million people off of their health insurance and is likely to bankrupt a ton of hospitals.

25:00Like we're already losing hospitals all over rural America. Yeah. And some like struggling urban hospitals and mostly rural hospitals. Holly was making a huge stink about this.

25:10Emily Jashinsky:Yeah. Susan Collins as well. They were even like figuring out ways. there was an amendment on the floor to, you know, slightly tweak the estate tax to create a fund that would protect rural hospitals from going under. It failed, like 80-20. So people are still going to get sick. People still need energy. So, okay, all of the savings in the bill, quote unquote savings, actually make us poorer. Meanwhile, the things we're cutting, Like, you know, cutting taxes, et cetera, also make us poor. It's like, it's the most self-destructive piece of legislation, I think, that we've ever done, like, on purpose.

25:55It's like, it's so weird.

25:56Emily Jashinsky:Well, Stephen Miller is saying, and you will remember this from, like, a month or two ago, that it is the most important piece of legislation for Western civilization. Yeah, we're going to get millions of people out of the country. And that's also going to make us richer. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's a tax definitely on the social safety net because of people who are in the country illegally or waiting asylum. Unless they're in their 20s, 30s, 40s paying in and not getting money out. That's right. Which is the case for a lot of them. Well, yeah, I mean, that's absolutely an argument. So I don't – to the point about it being self-destructive, they would say that immigration enforcement is – it's not even about the spending.

26:35Emily Jashinsky:They would say that immigration enforcement is about, like, safety and culture. That's the Stephen Miller argument. That immigration enforcement— As Trump said, if Stephen Miller had his way, there'd be 100 million people in this country, and they'd all look like Stephen Miller. They'd all look like— That's Donald Trump, I'm quoting. What a country that would be. 100 million school shooters, yeah. Right? I mean, come on. You were thinking it, too. Let's move on to the feud between Elon Musk and Donald Trump, which is actually related to everything that we are talking about. This is a clip of Donald Trump being asked about Elon Musk yesterday on his Alligator Alcatraz tour.

27:12Emily Jashinsky:Go ahead and roll this. What happened to Elon Musk? Nothing. He's upset that he's losing his EV mandate. And he's very upset about things. But, you know, he could lose a lot more than that. I can tell you right now. Elon can lose a lot more than that. We might have to put Doge on Elon. You know what Doge is? Doge is the monster that might have to go back and eat Elon. Wouldn't that be terrible? He gets a lot of subsidies, Peter. But Elon's very upset that the EV mandate is going to be terminated. And you know what? When you look at it, who wants? Not everybody wants an electric car. I don't want an electric car.

27:56I want to have maybe gasoline, maybe electric, maybe a hybrid, maybe someday a hydrogen. If you have a high usage cost, it has one problem if it blows up, you know? So I'm going to give that one to Peter.

28:08Emily Jashinsky:So, Trump, that was at the White House before he left for the Everglades. He is asked by a reporter, are you going to deport Elon Musk? Trump says, we'll have to take a look. We might have to put Doge on Elon. You know, Doge is the monster that might have to go back and eat Elon. Wouldn't that be terrible? He gets a lot of subsidies. Musk replies on Twitter, this is the next element, quote, so tempting to escalate this. so, so tempting, but I will refrain for now. Then Musk also posted cut it all now in response to Trump saying that Doge might look at Musk's subsidies. Musk's argument, Ryan, is not entirely dissimilar from the point you were just making about some of these or the nature of the cuts being self-destructed, but he's coming at it.

28:55Emily Jashinsky:When he's right, he's right. He's coming at it from a totally different perspective. Not totally. There's some significant overlap, which is that he is desperately concerned, and it goes back to both his business, but also his venture to Mars. He's desperately concerned with electricity production. He keeps posting these various charts of Chinese electricity production versus American electricity production. And, you know, they're on track to make as much electricity with just wind, solar and battery power as we are total. And if you're in an AI race, which is related to his Mars race, then how do you think that's going to go?

29:36Like the country with more juice is going to win this one. So that's where the overlap is. He also wants he doesn't like the deficit busting stuff because he wants to spend that money going to Mars. Well, that's where when he's saying cut all of the subsidies now, I mean, it's just it's easy to say that when he is on the outside looking in.

29:59Emily Jashinsky:I don't know. Is it that easy to say? I'm sure his shareholders. Yeah, shareholders are probably super excited. He doesn't mean that. Don't cut all those subsidies. I mean, you also we and I blame everyone from Obama up empowered this guy to have this power. Oh, he wouldn't exist without federal subsidies that Obama – With Starlink and SpaceX and all these things. Like these guys – this guy's got – this guy has cards to play as Trump likes to say. Tesla was rescued by Barack Obama. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean – But now he's got cards. Easy to say. Yeah. Yeah. Now he has cards. That's right. So, I don't know.

30:37Emily Jashinsky:The threat to start a third party and all of that. Musk also had a pretty interesting – I thought it was a pretty interesting admission on X yesterday, Ryan. And he was like a full reply guy. But he, in response to somebody saying that the chainsaw kind of made it harder for Doge to do anything, he basically agreed and said that Millay gave him the chainsaw backstage. But in retrospect, he thinks that it did lack empathy. I believe that's what he said. Yeah, he says a fair criticism. He said, you know, Millay gave him the chainsaw backstage and he just went with it. And yeah, exactly. And I always, I kind of wonder, I'm like, how much, like the original name for ecstasy was empathy.

31:24Because that's closer to the feeling that it produces in a user. And so I always wonder, they didn't go with empathy because it's like, that's not very cool marketing. Like ecstasy is going to sell better in the club. Sounds terrible. but I always wondered like how is this guy eating this much molly and this callous like how does he how does he not care about the tens of thousands hundreds of thousands millions tens of millions of people plus who are affected by like the whims of of this uh bender that he's on and And it turns out that, you know, now that he's come back to Earth a little bit, he actually does know the word empathy and he regrets that it lacked empathy.

32:13Emily Jashinsky:In his own. It also accomplished nothing except ruining a whole bunch of people's lives. I mean, I think he just exists in the strain of libertarianism, which is kind of weird to say from somebody whose businesses are based on subsidies. But he exists in this train of libertarianism where empathy itself is used to – the belief is that empathy itself is used to hurt people and is used to like inflict cruelty. I mean it's just a standard like Milton Friedman argument about how subsidies – Suicidal empathy, isn't that what they say? Toxic empathy. Toxic empathy. But this is more of like how people get trapped in government dependency spirals and it's cruel.

32:48Emily Jashinsky:And I think he thought in his own way – Also, by the way, if you guys think having humanity is bad, you took a wrong turn somewhere. Like, retrace your steps. Anyway, go ahead. The Ryan Grimm argument for USAID. Well, for some programs, yeah. But I'm not even going to go down those. I was going to say you could make that argument about some of the bad programs that you lack humanity if you strip away this USAID aid. Well, I mean, it depends. It very much depends. Right. But Elon's perspective. If you take away a kid's infant formula without a plan to replace it with something else that they can live on, that's bad and lax empathy.

33:30Whether or not that cutout was also involved in some regime change.

33:35Emily Jashinsky:Regime change baby formula. It's the tastiest baby formula. But Musk is, I think, felt like he had the wind at his back culturally in a way that he didn't. So that post was really interesting. Yes, exactly. He spent too much time with his own reply guys. Yes. Yeah. 100%. All right. Let's move on. Who would have thought that cat turd too would lead you astray? But here we are. And he's, Elon is like admitting that in this really, it's just a post on X, but he's admitting that he had basically terrible political instincts and then demanding the Republican party currently follow his political instincts.

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35:17Emily Jashinsky:Let's talk about Alligator Alcatraz because Ryan actually took a trip to Alligator Alcatraz while he was in Florida over the last several days. We can roll B1 here. You can see how basically Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump constructed their own sort of little seacot, brought a little flavor of El Salvador up to the Alperglaze. It does seem like inspired by seacot. It does. If you're listening to this, what you're seeing is bunk beds behind fencing. And it's being sort of trumpeted as an amazing feat. And it was put up really quickly, Ryan. You said you saw the trucks rolling in over the last several days.

35:57Emily Jashinsky:They did this in what? I mean, less than a week, right? Yeah, today's Wednesday. So I was there Saturday. And there was a big protest there. There had been a protest, a smaller protest the week before. And I talked to people who had been the week before. and there was basically nothing then. You could basically drive onto the base at that point. By the time I got there, you couldn't drive on there because there was so much traffic from the dump trucks and propane trucks and generator trucks and food trucks that were just streaming onto this site in a way that was like affecting. It was like ominous, like how much energy was being put in this.

36:32And most of the trucks had names like, you know, Rodriguez Trucking or something like that. and they were planning to put this thing together in days, and they did. And on Tuesday, I'm getting my days mixed up, yeah, July 1st, Tuesday, Trump and DeSantis inaugurated the thing. They're going to spend, they say, these estimates are always low, they say they're going to spend$450 million in the first year of the operation of this site.

37:06Emily Jashinsky:um meanwhile it is hurricane season yeah so there is it took us about an hour i drove from miami um down to the the protest there did you drive your wife and kids to alligator um well we only have one kid with us now because the three are in camp and it was too early in the morning she refused to go but a friend's kid did go okay um and get up dad's driving us to alligator The Dazz are going to Alligator Alcatraz. Yeah, and it was packed. Maybe in post I can send Mac some of the videos. We can put them in there, although we're kind of late, so maybe I won't do that. But it's the beginning of hurricane season.

37:46There's one road that takes you there. That's it. Like this is, you're driving through the Everglades. trying to evacuate all of those people in the event of a hurricane plus evacuating there are a lot of um miki suka there's indigenous people that live down there there's also i think it's mostly mostly native people that that live down there because it's mostly native uh area um but there's some you know and there will always be like um florida residents down there as well trying to evacuate all the workers and all of the staff um and all of the people in detention and all of the other people on that this little two-lane road would be calamitous um so we just have to i guess cross our fingers that we don't get a extreme mass casualty event so actually hurricane that that forms quickly and hits that area where i thought you were going with us um

38:47Emily Jashinsky:was that some of the news reports included statements from people whose homes have been flattened by hurricanes and saw DeSantis really quickly construct this massive facility. With FEMA money, yes. $450 million in, I think it was like eight days, something like that. It wasn't there last week and now you have this massive facility. We haven't rebuilt Western North Carolina. We haven't rebuilt even like from Hurricane Michael in like the panhandle in Florida, DeSantis. It still looks like it went through last week. So, yeah, they're wanting it to get up to 5 ,000 beds. I think it's 3 ,000 right now.

39:22Emily Jashinsky:Now, a couple of things that I would just add to this. We have a serious problem with lacking detention capacity for immigrants. We don't lack land in Florida, though. Yeah, that's a totally, totally legitimate point. And if I were someone who was waiting for their house to be rebuilt in Florida, I'm not sure that this would thrill me at all. But we have like 59 ,000 people detainees because of the ICE enforcement. But the ICE enforcement itself is because the Biden administration at minimum created an influx of 8 million people over the course of a few years. And so the Trump administration enforcing that means that they have a record number, 59 ,000 people.

40:04Emily Jashinsky:They are running out of room. And so there is absolutely, unless you are full, and this is probably where Ryan and I disagree, full let people stay, you absolutely do need more room for all of this. And you do need incentives for people to use things like CBP Home, which allow you to just very humanely self-deport. And you don't end up getting detained. You don't end up getting arrested. At least that's the theory. So they believe these are disincentives for people to continue staying in the country if they're, you know, if they have not shown up for court dates or anything like that, if the process has run out.

40:40Right, but they're trying to break the process by arresting people at their court dates. They're definitely doing that. They're doing this loophole where they will dismiss somebody's proceedings at a hearing and then just arrest them at it and say, okay, now you're moved into expedited removal. and so basically it's incentivizing people not to show up what it let's say okay y 'all won you want to deport lots of people uh why not just do like ankle bracelets like okay like here's the process we're going to change the law they just showed they can pass any law they want we're gonna we're gonna make the laws such that if the expedited removal is actually expedited there's going to be a little bit of due process but we won so it's going to be you know fig leaf but there's going to be some process and then once you're ordered deported you're deported yeah and in the meantime you can you know you wear an ankle bracelet or whatever like or like there's

41:37Emily Jashinsky:other ways like we live in a surveillance society we sure do like just have peter teal handle yeah if like this should this should not be like something that like the if if the right is going to go in this dystopian direction of building like mass camps in the Everglades. The Bukele LARP. Yeah. Then it's not as if they have something like they would they would shrink it like exercising some extreme surveillance authority. Let's watch how Donald Trump was describing all of this yesterday. This is B2. Take care of our farmers and hotel workers and various other people. And we're working on it right now.

42:15And Ron's going to be involved and You were involved already. So we have a case, a lot of cases, where ICE will go into a farm. And there's a guy who's working there for 10, 15 years. No problem. The farmers know them. We're going to put what's called farmer responsibility or owner responsibility, where they're going to be largely responsible for these people. And they know these people. They've worked on the farms for 15 years. And all of a sudden, so I have a great, Ron does, Christy does, we have a great feeling for the farmer and for others in the same position. And we're going to give them responsibility for people.

42:50And we're going to have a system of signing them up so they don't have to go. They can be here legally. They can pay taxes and everything. They're not getting citizenship, but they get other things. And the farmers need them to do the work. Without those people, you're not going to be able to run your farm. Mr. President, Mr. Governor, what's your message to Governor Gavin Newsom inside of this facility? The first thing you should do is come here and run something. Because they don't do this. They wouldn't have quite a bit of a deal. And if they did it, it would have less of 100 times. Are you sure?

43:19To be honest. Hey, Biden wanted me in here, OK? That's it. He wanted me. It didn't work out that way, but he wanted me in here.

43:29Emily Jashinsky:Trump's saying that Biden wanted him and Alligator Alcatraz. We have a couple of more clips because he was on a roll yesterday. This is Trump being asked about what the sort of point of the alligator branding is. And when the alligator outpour says, it's the idea that it's done to be delivered. It's cheap. They just get eaten by an alligator or a snake or something? I guess that's the concept. This is not a nice business. I guess that's the concept. If you, you know, snakes are fast, but alligators, we're going to teach them how to run away from an alligator, okay, if they escape prison. How to run away.

44:07Don't run in a straight line. Run like this. And you know what? Your chances go up about 1%. Not a good thing.

44:15Emily Jashinsky:He's sort of bragging about his knowledge of alligator escapes. From his golf courses. Oh, that's a good point. If you're looking closely at the hat, by the way, which I didn't until it was just in front of us now, there's a subheading on the Gulf of America MAGA hat that says, Yet Another Trump Development. That's what it says on the hat. I'm glad he's having such a wonderful time bringing abject fascism. Like this is like completely. It's not fascism. Fascism to like build a giant concentration camp in the middle of the Everglades. I mean. Where the people are like at immediate risk of getting killed if a hurricane comes through.

44:53And then joking about them getting eaten by alligators and snakes.

44:56Emily Jashinsky:Well, yeah, that part. Oh, okay. And also. It's fascism. It's him LARPing. It's like fascist LARPing. And he's also doing some weird planter class LARPing in the first clip that you played there. He's like, we're going to have owner responsibility. That was his, I'm not putting words in his mouth. He said owner responsibility for migrants who work on farms. I don't even have to like say anything else about it. Yeah, you're right. I thought we settled this. And he's also like, we're going to take care of the hotel workers. Yeah. You know, Stephen Miller, speaking of Stephen Miller, that his brain is exploding when he hears that.

45:38Yeah, because Miller's like, I guess he's torn there. He's like, hmm, slavery. We're really moving the Overton window here.

45:47Emily Jashinsky:But he's like, will they assimilate? Will the slaves assimilate? That's the question. Well, you know, owner responsibility. Like, we literally did a war and we settled this. You're not owning people in this country. We don't do that. Yeah, I mean. Everything's apparently up for grabs. gets i think that's where i think the administration is often it's it feels like a larp to me like it feels like they're not he doesn't do half of the stuff that he does he does some of it and then he doesn't see what maybe they never fill this camp let's hope honestly not impossible that because they're saying they want it to house up to 5 000 people they want to keep doing more of this um i don't know i mean they they were doing this this is actually a really good illustration of the way that i'm thinking about like they said they were going to use guantanamo trump said he was going to use actual alcatraz half they're using guantanamo but it's like it's costing them half a million per detainee there's like 30 people there yeah there's like 30 people he said he was going to send all these people to seacott to be fair he sent 300 some people but stopped after that and it's like i think part of it is they're trying to create the this very like visual vivid sense of fear so people just leave which is probably Probably working to some degree.

47:01Emily Jashinsky:Probably to some degree. And then they don't go all the way. But it ends up feeling like a big fascist Bukali LARP. I don't disagree with that at all. Yeah, and also in immigrant communities, people are like, you know, kids are told don't open the door for anybody. People don't congregate outside. Afraid that if somebody there is undocumented and gets picked up, they're just going to sweep everybody up, even the citizens, which they are doing, you know, which they are doing like in L.A. and elsewhere. Anyway, yeah. So there is definitely always LARPing when it comes to Trump. But sometimes the LARPing becomes reality.

47:39Emily Jashinsky:Yeah. You talk it into existence. You never know. And that's where, yes, I think one thing I disagree with a lot of conservatives on is I think you actually always have to take him seriously. Because sometimes you don't actually know when he's serious and when he's joking. So you can't just be like, oh, it's Trump being Trump in every circumstance. Because then he goes and does stuff. Didn't catch the latest Roland Martin unfiltered podcast. Here's what you missed. And the argument is, do you want to win? If you don't win, you have no power. It's real. Those are the very people who I always say vote against their own economic interests and they complain about the very thing they're receiving.

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49:02Emily Jashinsky:Let's talk about what he said yesterday regarding Zoran Mamdani. We are going to go ahead and roll the SOT. It is B6, Trump being asked about Zoran Mamdani. Your beloved New York City may well be led by a communist soon, Zoran Mamdani, who in his nomination speech said he will defy ICE and will not allow ICE to arrest criminal aliens in New York City. your message to communist Zorhan Mandani? Well, then we'll have to arrest him. Look, we don't need a communist in this country, but if we have one, I'm going to be watching over him very carefully on behalf of the nation. We send him money. We send him all the things that he needs to run a government.

49:42And by the way, they get already, they get about three times what you get run. If you look at the per capita, Florida gets one third of what New York gets in terms of the numbers. Why don't you give us those numbers? Because that's what we should send him. Yeah, sometimes people say Florida gets more because they count Social Security recipients, but that's not money to the state. Those are seniors that live here. If they move to North Carolina, you could count it there. So it has no interaction with the state government. They get more in the city and state governments than we get. Substantially.

50:14We're going to be watching that very carefully, and a lot of people are saying he's here illegally. We're going to look at everything.

50:22Emily Jashinsky:So here's B7. This is how Zoran Mamdani responded. And I actually am curious what you make of this, Ryan. I found his response to be quite interesting. He says, the president of the U.S. just threatened to have me arrested, stripped of my citizenship, put in a detention camp, and deported, not because I've broken any law, but because I will refuse to let ICE terrorize our city. His statements don't just represent an attack on our democracy, but an attempt to send a message to every New Yorker who refuses to hide in the shadows. If you speak up, they will come for you. We will not accept this intimidation.

50:49Emily Jashinsky:And then he goes on to talk about Eric Adams, says Trump included praise for Eric Adams and his authoritarian threats is unsurprising, but highlights the urgency of bringing an end to this mayor's time in City Hall. Goes on to talk about destroying the social safety net, kicking millions of New Yorkers off health care, enriching their billionaire donors and expensive working families. It's a scandal that Eric Adams echoes this president's division distraction. And, hey, Ryan, the reason I found that statement interesting is he pivots to the social safety net and pivots to Eric Adams kicking New Yorkers off health care, et cetera, billionaire.

51:19Emily Jashinsky:donors. Yeah, he pivots the class warfare, essentially. And when Trump was asked that question by very MAGA, Benny Johnson, he, I think, is in his own mind, the strategy, not that he wouldn't have said that anyway, but in the strategy or in the question of strategy, what they're trying to do is get Mom Donnie to talk about immigration as much as possible, because as unpopular as the way Donald Trump's ICE has approached this is in a blue city like New York, the immigration policies of the Biden administration and the way Eric Adams handled them at first was deeply unpopular, which is why Eric Adams then pivoted.

51:59Emily Jashinsky:So I think Republicans see an opportunity to talk about immigration over and over again. Mamdani in his statement pivoted. That I thought was pretty interesting. Right. I think that's right. Because as Bannon said, Mamdani is the first populist who has connected populism to affordability. Yes. Which Which is a huge indictment of our political class across the spectrum that this guy's the first one that's been able to do it. And so I think Trump and Bannon recognize that they're vulnerable to him on that issue. And prices are going up and they just, you know, your energy bills are going to be going up pretty soon thanks to this big, beautiful bill, et cetera.

52:39And so, yes, they think they're on better ground if they can get him back to, they want to be back in like 2018, 1920, where they're fighting Democrats on cultural issues.

52:48Emily Jashinsky:That's where Bannon and Trump feel comfortable. And when Zoran, by the way, was tweeting things about how defunding the police was queer liberation, which he doesn't talk about anymore. They like that. Like, that's where Trump wants to be. Like, he wants to bring that Democratic Party back. They want to force him into that. The problem for Trump is, A, Zoran's not really going to take that bait. But B, like, their issue of immigration, Trump's losing the public on his own issue by being so over the top. Like if you look at the polling. Yes, yes. Independents are now swinging. Again, people have very fluid views about immigration policy.

53:28Emily Jashinsky:But then he and Stephen Miller are betting on being the lesser of two evils, right? That even if their popularity dips, Dem's popularity with things like sanctuary cities, for example, which are massive poll factors. What he's letting them do is defend against masked ICE agents, just scooping people off the street, which the Pope's like, yeah, what are you doing? This is not how we do things. Yeah. Especially with all these people now impersonating ICE agents across the country. It's becoming like an actual legitimate crime problem. It's like a safety issue, what ICE is doing. And so if you let them just say we're against CECOT, we're against Alligator Alcatraz, we're against the masked agents doing fascism on the streets, then you don't force Democrats to grapple with their unpopular immigration policies.

54:22Right.

54:22Emily Jashinsky:And I think the Trump bet is that as long as Mamdani is talking about immigration, then Trump and Republicans and probably Eric Adams as well, it's an opportunity for them to talk about sanctuary cities, sanctuary cities. Yeah. And for Mamdani, as long as Trump is boosting Eric Adams and attacking Mamdani, Mamdani is just growing in popularity in New York. That very well may be the case. The poll that came out yesterday, which showed – was it their poll that came out yesterday that showed him hypothetically beating Cuomo? We got the final margin yesterday as well, which was what, 12 points? Yeah, 44.

54:58Emily Jashinsky:A 12-point rout of Andrew Cuomo. Unbelievable. I thought a general election poll came out yesterday showing if Cuomo were to win. Anyway, I'll look it up. But it wouldn't be surprising at all if it were the case that Mamdani was winning. But the more, yeah, it's just the more that Eric Adams gets associated with Trump. Right. Or Cuomo with Trump. Right. Or Mamdani as the anti-Trump, and it helps him. Right. Yes. And finally, did you see, Ryan, this apology from Kirsten Gillibrand? Yes. So we have this last element up on the screen. I'm reading from Politico here. Kirsten Gillibrand apologizes to her on Mamdani on Monday after she falsely claimed in a radio interview that the presumptive Democratic nominee for mayor of New York City had made, quote, references to global jihad.

55:42Emily Jashinsky:The junior senator at Mayoral Candidate spoke by phone Monday, and there was a readout of the call that Gillibrand's team gave to Politico that said Gillibrand apologized for mischaracterizing Mom Donnie's record and for her tone on the call. This is in reference to a Brian Lehrer segment where a caller asked Gillibrand about holding Mom Donnie to account for, quote, glorifying Hamas. And, Ryan, this was like the Brian Lehrer segment heard round the left. This was crazy everywhere. Tell us a little bit about it. I mean, it was bonkers. Go listen to it. She sounds completely unhinged. And she just and Brian Lehrer gives her like three or four like opportunities to like correct herself and to like add in a little bit of complexity or humility or uncertainty about the situation.

56:31She's like, no, absolutely not. And at one point, accuses him of wanting to wage global jihad, which which which actually goes to Zoran's point. The reason he said in that initial interview where he gave this long, like nuanced answer about why he wouldn't condemn the phrase globalizing the Antifada. So basically because you're asking me to condemn a phrase that to some Arabic speakers or to all Arabic speakers means, you know, globalize the resistance. Right. And you can't ask an Arabic speaker to condemn the word resistance. Right. Like just because some people don't like it. It would be like saying that the Trump administration, whenever they arrest a Palestinian, a pro-Palestine protester, they tweet out shalom.

57:12So therefore, when pro-Palestine people hear the word shalom, they get in their feelings about this assault on their dignity and their liberty. So therefore, nobody should say shalom anymore. It's the same logic, but it's absurd. No, shalom, that's not what it, like, I'm sorry. Like Trump is misusing the phrase, but that doesn't mean that nobody else can say it. And Gillibrand then makes his point that the whole argument is racist by confusing jihad and intifada because it doesn't matter to her. It's just scary sounding Arabic words. and so the entire political class the media all the sunday shows everyone tried to get him to condemn this phrase he wouldn't and gillibrand winds up being the one that apologizes that's i don't know it's too much to say it's a watershed moment but it's uh it's definitely a data point

58:11Emily Jashinsky:they're gonna have to bend the knee they are slowly but surely realizing it even tavi hochel told Gillibrand, there's no room for this racism in our state. If you lost Kathy Hochul, that's probably when she was like, okay, I need to apologize for this. It's over. Speaking of unlikable and unpopular governors, let's pivot to Gavin Newsom. Ryan, that was really... So mean. It was. Such a likable character. It was low-hanging fruit. We were talking about Kathy Hochul. It just made sense to talk about Gavin Newsom right after that. So Gavin Newsom is now taking aim at the California Environmental Quality Act, which if you've read Abundance, if you followed Ezra Klein's work, that is a sort of fixation.

59:00Emily Jashinsky:Ezra's been writing about it for a matter of years. And Gavin Newsom held a press conference yesterday. Let's take a look at his nod to the abundance community in this clip. To the NIMBY movement that's now being replaced by the YIMBY movement, go YIMBYs. Thank you for your abundant mindset. It's a plug to Ezra. And it really is about abundance. And to the movement that they represent, which I think was reflected in the comments made a moment ago about getting big stuff done. Okay, we can put the tear sheet on the screen. You heard him there say he appreciates to the YIMBY community the abundant mindset.

59:46Emily Jashinsky:They are rolling back that landmark, quote, environmental law, quote, landmark environmental law, as the New York Times puts it. Ezra Klein has has written, Ryan, pretty extensively for a long time, as we mentioned earlier, about the California Environmental Quality Act. it's sort of become a symbol, not just, you know, obviously there are substantive complaints, but it's become kind of a symbol of what abundance, the sort of abundance world is trying to change about blue state governance. This is how Klein put it in an op-ed. I want to say this was like a year ago, quote, laws like the California Environmental Quality Act have been used to block countless harmful projects.

1:00:30Emily Jashinsky:A faster, more streamlined process can make it easier to build solar farms and rail systems, but streamlining could also make it easier to build infrastructure that communities have reason to oppose. So what's going on with this, Ryan? Well, and so Ezra tells a story in his book about the creation of this law being quite a quiet affair. Like it's now understood as this landmark law, but it was not actually, and this is the case for a lot of laws. They pass quietly. Nobody really knows what's going on. And then only later did they take on some significant importance. And this one took on importance because the California Supreme Court interpreted it in a way that the original authors of it did not intend, which gave it enormous amounts of teeth.

1:01:19And then, yeah, so you did then have a lot of communities and other people that wanted to block projects able to hire lawyers and gum things up. And so, you know, it's, I think there is some nuance to this because I think on the one hand, the political power of billionaires and incumbent kind of monopolies and power centers are the thing that is their power that blocks a lot of these projects and their power, if it is unchecked in what should be a democratic society, is going to find different vehicles for it to be exercised, just like, you know, water running downhill. It's going to find a way to get there.

1:02:07And right now it's fine, CEQA. You get rid of CEQA, but you don't check the power of billionaires, it's not going to solve the problem.

1:02:16Emily Jashinsky:Is it a short-term But on the other hand, maybe you packed a little bit of dirt there for a while. And maybe it does move the flow of the water in a productive direction for a little while. It doesn't solve the underlying problem, which is that we're not a democracy. But, yeah, maybe it gets some projects going. It might. Like, I don't want to say that it won't. But my point is, unless you restructure the political economy, these people are going to continue to mess with you and gum everything up. No question about that. I think, actually, Ezra would agree with that point, don't you? I think he might.

1:02:52Emily Jashinsky:We should have him back on. Yeah, I think he might. I think the centrist groups and the pro-corporate groups that have basically adopted all of the messaging, they would not like that. But Ezra might. Yeah, come on. We've got to get him back on and see if he does agree with that. Big win for abundance. I mean, yeah. You get name-checked. Your book gets name-checked at the signing of the repeal of this major law. I mean, Ezra getting results. Yeah, within months. Co-author. That's right. Within months of the book coming out. Yeah. I think it played a role. Definitely. Because here, Newsom said that he would not sign the budget unless they included this with it.

1:03:31So this was not like a standalone thing that the legislature wanted to pass. Newsom demanded it through this process. Didn't catch the latest Roland Martin Unfiltered podcast? Here's what you missed. And the argument is, do you want to win? If you don't win, you have no power. It's real. Those are the very people who I always say vote against their own economic interests, and they complain about the very thing they're receiving. It's raw. I knew that the issue of transgender athletes was not going well with a lot of black men. Roland Martin unfiltered. I went off. I said, this is exactly what I'm talking about.

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1:04:39Emily Jashinsky:Let's talk about Israel, Ryan. We'll move on here to a post from Piers Morgan. This is D1. We can put it on the screen saying, Huge, great work, President Real Donald Trump, because Trump posted a Truth Social yesterday saying, My representatives had a long and productive meeting with the Israelis today on Gaza. Israel has agreed to the necessary conditions to finalize the 60-day ceasefire, during which time we will work with all parties to end the war. The Qataris and Egyptians, who have worked very hard to help bring peace, will deliver this final proposal. I hope for the good of the Middle East that Hamas takes this deal because it will not get better.

1:05:14Emily Jashinsky:It will only get worse. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Ryan, when he signs the post, thank you for your attention to this matter. It gives me any time, every time, even in these awful, awful news cycles, which is what we're talking about here. because some way, somehow, this is D2, it's a VO, we can start rolling. This is getting worse. The situation in Gaza is getting worse. Right, yeah. Every time you check the drop site Twitter feed, it almost seems like you're going to see another report of 25, 30, 45, 80 Palestinians killed in the latest strike or attack at an aid center. This was shot by one of our reporters.

1:06:04in Gaza. And as you could see there, it's this absolutely beautiful seaside cafe, which is very popular among journalists.

1:06:15Emily Jashinsky:Because it has Wi-Fi. Because it has Wi-Fi. And it is very, all you have to do is look at it to see that obviously this would not be anywhere that a militant, you're not building, you just, I mean, just physically, you can't build a tunnel right next to the beach. like that. You can see the beach from the cafe. This is a place where journalists go. And families too, of course. And it's known for being a place where journalists go. Right. And there was a and this is about a month after they struck a Thai restaurant in Gaza City that was also known for its Wi-Fi, but also just culturally it became known as a place where all the journalists hung out.

1:06:53And they struck that directly. Killing multiple journalists both times. And in that case you saw the results. More than 20 people killed. And they go on and on. Anyway, there's more to that, but you can read about it in the story. You don't need to burden people with it here. But it's just an absolutely ongoing genocide. It's unbelievable that this continues to go on. So how serious is this ceasefire? The Israelis finally are now, there was a long pause between Trump posting that he had gotten their agreement to a ceasefire. Very, very long pause. And the Israelis coming out and saying that there's some optimism around it.

1:07:42They didn't even go all the way and confirm it. Kind of like when, these long pauses can be disturbing, like when Peter Duthat, or Ross Duthat's like, should humanity survive? It's like Peter Thiel's like, well, I mean, you know, so they're now saying, OK, so it's clearly some pressures being applied and they're saying, OK, maybe we're going to get there. Hamas is saying, you know, that they're open as always to any deal that leads to an end to the war. Like that's that has long been their position. and they have said that we will turn over authority in Gaza to somebody else. Not the Israelis, like they have to withdraw, but they will turn over authority to somebody else.

1:08:34And, you know, we could have this deal by now. All the hostages could be out by now because the deal that was reached in January was in phases and phase one went off effectively and then as phase two was supposed to start, Netanyahu unilaterally broke it. And so the only, now at the end of July, the Knesset goes out of session until the fall. So there's some thinking that Netanyahu wanted to wage war all the way up until the Knesset went out of session, then be pressured into the ceasefire. and then he can't lose his government because even if Smotrich and Ben Gavir quit at that point, there's no Knesset to overthrow him.

1:09:24And also there was a vote to oust him and you can't have a second vote within six months. So he actually should be fine. He could take this and his government shouldn't fall apart at least for six months or so. Meanwhile, Trump's been trying to get the judges to drop these corruption charges against Netanyahu thinking that like that might be some obstacle to Netanyahu getting a deal because if Netanyahu feels this gun to his head that if he loses his power he's going to jail then he will just continue the genocide indefinitely just to stay out of jail and Dropset had a report on the cafe attack this is d3 yeah put you can put up d3 this is yeah check this one out this all this this piece also includes lots of details about the ongoing negotiations yeah and in the meantime right

1:10:14Emily Jashinsky:Brian D4. This is from HuffPost. A couple of interesting developments out of the Pentagon. Yes. Well, I shouldn't say out of the Pentagon, but out of the Trump foreign policy. So I think this was what Patriot missiles. They're halting some shipments of air defense missiles to Ukraine amid concerns that its own stockpiles of such supplies have declined too much, officials said, according to HuffPost. And Bridge Colby was getting tons of heat from Hawks on X yesterday, who were saying this is just shameful, people like David French, just absolutely shameful. I don't think Bridge has said anything yet.

1:10:48Emily Jashinsky:He's undersecretary for defense. But the argument, according to his defenders on X, and it is a very legitimate argument, by the way, is that the United States' supply is running low for our own defense. Dan Caldwell had a good post that I'm pulling up right now about all of this, it's just like incredible that you can be treated. Yeah. So Dan says the choice was either this was this either prioritize equipping our own troops with ammunition in short supply and which was used to defend U.S. troops last week or provide them to a country with their limited U.S. interests. So does David support supplying Ukraine over our own troops?

1:11:28Emily Jashinsky:He asked in response to David French saying terrible halting patriots in particular is vile. Yeah, David French and these others want to live in a world of no limits. I would love, that'd be great. I mean, not necessarily when it comes to weapons. Patriot missiles for everyone. Abundance. Times. Get the environmental rules out of the way and you'll just have endless amounts of shells and Patriot missiles and all the other things that you need to wage. And high speed rail. Yeah, you can wage war basically anywhere you want all the time and shoot as many rockets off as you want and you will never run out that is the world that David French would like to live in it's not the world that we live in we instead have just been emptying all of our warehouses putting them on planes flying them to Ukraine and Israel for whatever they're doing over there and yeah now we're running low right and who like who you're gonna get mad at like Like physics?

1:12:28Yeah. Math? Like you're not mad at yourself for exhausting all of your supplies. Yeah. Killing how many people? Good Lord. I mean, if you combine the number of people killed in Gaza and the number of people killed in Ukraine, Russia, you haven't killed enough people yet? I mean. And you're upset that you exhausted all your supplies killing many hundreds of thousands of people, maybe over a million? For what? Like how like it's it's now 2025 doing this since 2022. Is the world better today because we killed those million people?

1:13:06Emily Jashinsky:Well, here is a connection between what we were just talking about, Gaza and Ukraine. We're going to get to Syria in a moment as well. So that's one of the other interesting developments out of the Trump foreign policy just in the last couple of days. But when the Ukraine war broke out, correct me if I'm wrong, Ryan, but I believe Israel did not send weapons per Zelensky's request. We were asking them to and Zelensky was begging them to send us some of these patriots. Look at these poor people in Kiev getting attacked. Send the missiles. Help, help, help. And the whole world is standing with Ukraine.

1:13:44And Israel's like, no, I don't think so. We don't have enough.

1:13:47Emily Jashinsky:In a sense, they're recognizing they have not an infinite supply of Patriot missiles. Yeah. Right. And they cost enormous amounts of money. Yeah. Oh, incredible. And then we make like 90 a year or whatever of the Thams or whatever they are. Yeah. Actually, there's probably an abundance argument for the price of Patriot missiles being wildly high because of capture. Yeah. And it's probably actually more of a strategic argument because if you can't get the cost of those down, you can't win a war of attrition. This was a 12-day war with Iran. And they were basically out? Yeah. Okay, so your whole strategy is you're going to win every war in 12 days?

1:14:24Yeah. That's it? Okay, good luck.

1:14:27Emily Jashinsky:And let's talk about Syria for a bit as well because, Ryan, I don't know if you've caught this Reuters report. This is the next tarot sheet that we can put on the screen. It's an insanely horrifying report. You always have to be skeptical of journalism in the region, I guess is maybe one broad way to put it. It's such a chaotic place, though, that the journalism is actually more doable because people are freer to speak than they would have been under Assad. Yes. You know, you have to obviously take everything with a grain of salt. Also, you have to be careful with the claims of competing, you know, like sometimes literally tribal factions and all of that.

1:15:08But this report is incredibly well detailed.

1:15:13Emily Jashinsky:what Reuters said basically was put together names of like 1 ,500 people that were slaughtered by, no, they make a connection to the government forces. People can dispute that. But the Reuters report is that with knowledge, complicity, and probably direction from the new administration, the Trump administration, meanwhile, has just lifted sanctions on the new government. Yeah, and particularly on the guys who were singled out for these massacres. Right. But I don't know. So here, go on. So the back story here is in March, there were some moves by regime remnants to try to reassert authority in certain areas.

1:16:03They had become, and Maz has been on the show talking about this. Assad wasn't, his forces were not totally routed. Some of the regime elements became like gangs that controlled particular areas and were still involved in like the captagon drug trade and were going to hold on to these territories. And actually, you know, in some respects, depending on how you count it, they still do. And so there was some sense that they were making a move to kind of actually take back power because Jolani's hold on power is extremely tenuous. Like, you know, he's swept in with, like, you know, a couple hundred, a couple thousand guys on, like, on pickup trucks and motorbikes trying to hold a massive country.

1:16:48And how much he actually controls Syria is exaggerated. Like, you know, Maz was there. It's been, you know, several weeks since he was there, But he was saying like in from suburb to suburb, like there's different like controlling authorities with various levels of allegiance or rivalry with the quote unquote central government. So he's like a fake it till you make it leader. He acts like one, but he can't really do much in the way of direction. So these.

1:17:23Emily Jashinsky:Although the sanctions are now lifted after he had a apparently good meeting with Donald Trump. Trump was in the Middle East. That's the make it part. Yeah. Yeah. So he might end up making it. Put that suit on until you get those sanctions lifted. That's right. And so these two guys, I don't have my laptop, I think. One of them's Noam Daguerre is Abu Bakr. Another is like, was it Hamza? These guys are directly tied to Turkey. These are, but, you know, Turkey has, you know, sponsors the entire thing. But, like, they directly sponsor particular factions. and this massacre was carried out by this faction that was directly sponsored and takes direct orders from Turkey.

1:18:07And so, yeah, these were, this was out, and it became like a complete massacre

1:18:13Emily Jashinsky:that roped in many, many civilians. The Reuters story starts with a man's heart being literally cut out of his chest and placed on top of his body. Just medieval. It was a dark, dark several days. And then, interestingly, it was, quote unquote, central government that sent in troops, quote unquote, because we're watching state formation take place. So I'm putting all these things in quotes to tamp this down. And then you had Israel come in and like bomb the Druze or whatever in like a totally bizarre way. What are you doing? Like, why are you attacking the Druze? Like, stop. Like, not helpful here.

1:18:55and so the central government did put a stop to it after this like extreme level of violence like absolutely horrifying level of violence and then so now Trump has lifted all these sanctions across the board which is a separate policy from specifically lifting sanctions on these two guys who are known to be or understood to be like the main culprits who are tight with Erdogan. So that feels like that was an Erdogan ask. Because you could lift sanctions on Syria and say, all right, you want to do reconstruction? That's fine. Energy infrastructure? It's fine. Telecoms, American companies can work there.

1:19:43We're lifting all of those sanctions. But these butchers who carried out this massacre, they're still sanctioned. Those are different kinds of sanctions you could do to lift those is a choice. And I'd be curious, hopefully we'll get some reporting like of what role Erdogan played, like why and why the Trump administration was like, yeah, we'll do that.

1:20:04Emily Jashinsky:Well, yeah, especially because Israel was not in favor of the United States lifting all of the sanctions. Jelani now goes by Al-Shara says that they want to start talks over a deal with Israel potentially. It shows you can be like former Al-Qaeda. And as long as you're cool with Israel. It's inspiring really. Anybody can make it. Anybody can make it. Just one condition. Just one condition. And they can still bomb you whenever they want. Israel continues to just bomb Syria at will.

1:20:43Emily Jashinsky:Like I said, Just a true heartwarming story of, yes, of redemption and peace. Maybe someday. Didn't catch the latest Roland Martin Unfiltered podcast? Here's what you missed. And the argument is, do you want to win? If you don't win, you have no power. It's real. Those are the very people who I always say vote against their own economic interests and they complain about the very thing they're receiving. It's raw. I knew that the issue of transgender athletes was not going well with a lot of black men. Roland Martin unfiltered. I went off. I said, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Y 'all gonna scream at Chanel, but you don't want to see a black luxury company in the same vein.

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1:21:55Emily Jashinsky:Let's talk about this CNN threat from Donald Trump, the latest CNN threat from Donald Trump, and also pair it with breaking news. This happened actually not long before we came into the studio that CBS, which has a pending merger, which, by the way, is with a company owned by Larry Ellison's son, run by Larry Ellison's son. Larry Ellison is obviously an Oracle founder, very close with the Trump administration, pending merger between Skydance and CBS. CBS settled for the exact same amount of money that ABC settled the Trump suit over. And that was a much more serious lawsuit, by the way, because ABC had actually misreported information about Trump's liability.

1:22:42Emily Jashinsky:And I think it was the E. Jean Carroll case. Sixteen million dollar settlement for CBS. That's a small price to pay to potentially get their merger through. And we'll talk about that in a second. Let's, before we circle back around to that, play this point that Trump made or play this clip that Trump made about potentially prosecuting CNN over its coverage of the Iran bombing. This is E1. CNN yesterday pushed an app that lets you track where ICE agents are. Tom Homan was saying that perhaps CNN should be prosecuted for that. That's a structure of law before it's been your response. Yeah, we're working with the Department of Justice to see if we can prosecute them for that.

1:23:23Emily Jashinsky:Because what they're doing is actively encouraging people to avoid law enforcement, activities, operations. And we're going to actually go after them and prosecute them with the courage of the fam if we can. Because what they're doing, we believe, is illegal. And they may be prosecuted also for having given false reports on the attack of Iran. Yes. You can tell me false reports. It's totally obliterated. And our people have to be celebrating and come home and say, what do you mean we hit the target? We hit the target. You know, the pilots came home and they said we hit the target. So they may be very well prosecuted for that.

1:24:01What they did there, we think it's done.

1:24:03Emily Jashinsky:Oh, boy, Ryan. We were talking about this earlier in the show. We were sort of debating it earlier in the show about fascism and Trump's seriousness about fascism or not serious about fascism. Because I tend to think a lot of it is a LARP. Not all of it. ICE agents pulling Ramisa Ozturk off the street over an anti-Israel op-ed is a good example of them very much not LARPing and making good on their sort of flirtation with authoritarianism. This, how serious do we think this is? I don't think this one's serious. I guess, I don't know. I think, I think what presidents say matters. So it is direct intimidation of the press to threaten to put them in jail for reporting something that they don't like we we also speaking of maz over at drop site we have a piece today at drop site which is an interview with a um iranian nuclear scientist saying i saw that yeah they didn't actually like according to his information they moved a bunch of stuff and like the fordo was not you know totally destroyed like um trump is saying which matches with what the intel is that's been leaked so far and so are they gonna prosecute us too like you're just like what's what i'm saying is anyone actually intimidated by this though i can't i wasn't yeah we published that's true good point we're making fun of it um so yeah um i guess not afraid of that the funniest part to me remains trump's fixation on the feelings of the pilots he does like that they there's they were so brave and they were so proud of what they did don't you think that works with the public though don't you think the public hears that and they're like yeah no because these are fighter pilots not nine-year-olds playing soccer yeah they don't need a participation trophy like it mattered like yeah like sorry we keep score like we're not doing this thing we're like what was the score dad oh we don't keep scores doesn't matter if the ball went in the net or missed the net like that's the like new american approach to it i mean i also feel like if you're doing war it matters if the ball goes in the net like did you did you hit the target or not it's not it i'm sorry that your feelings are hurt if you missed it well per usual i well you just did uh everyone gets a trophy that's got to get rid of that mentality no but yes you don't get a trophy just for pressing the button on your bomb it's got to actually hit the target the media i feel like actually was pretty celebratory about they were like the media loves usually are about yeah military action and And also, I'm happy to pretend that the nuclear program was absolutely annihilated.

1:26:40If it stops. Let's just say it here. No need for any more war. The beautiful pilots courageously struck all of their targets. Took it out. Especially the ones way underneath the mountain. It's completely obliterated.

1:26:52Emily Jashinsky:And nothing was moved either. Nothing was moved. And we need no more war. And give them all a trophy. Give them like four foot tall trophies that they need. They need like both hands to carry them home. just to continue the point about whether this is actually intimidating or not as i recover from the double-handed trophy illustration um how do you take a selfie like you don't want to drop your trophy yeah that's a good point uh and you can't pop the champagne if you have two hands on a trophy or take a so maybe a little smaller some dignified size metal yeah it could be a beautiful medal because then you have both hands free.

1:27:31I participated in the 12-day war.

1:27:34Emily Jashinsky:Okay, recovery. The seriousness of the threat, a great example of this is the CBS lawsuit that was just settled at the recommendation of Sherry Redstone because they want to get the Skydance merger through. This was not a serious lawsuit. I was reading through the lawsuit this morning. Actually, while I was waiting to pick Ryan up outside Union Station here in D.C., It refers to like Kamala, not Ms. Harris, Senator, Vice President Harris. Kamala throughout it cites like Breitbart articles. It wasn't a serious lawsuit. And it just speaks to the fact that CBS was not at all intimidated that they were going to be found in violation.

1:28:15Emily Jashinsky:They won an Emmy for that interview. By the way, I will say they deceptively edited the Kamala Harris interview. Every network does that every single day. What they aired on Face the Nation was different than what they aired on 60 Minutes, and I think it was materially different. I think you got a different version of the answer, a significantly different version of the answer. She was being—Kamala Harris was being pressed on Gaza, basically on Israel, and whether the Biden administration was being taken seriously by Netanyahu, basically. And they aired a very different version of it on both shows, and that speaks to the power of the media.

1:28:51Emily Jashinsky:Everyone kind of knows that the media is doing that. This was a good example of it. But it is not and it should not be something that you can actually be found liable of defamation or whatever by a politician for doing. It's wrong. Can you imagine, though, if the president was set that everybody who doesn't give full context to a clip of an interview has to pay$17 million to Trump? Seriously. Like how many Twitter accounts are out there clipping like 25 seconds of an interview where Trump would be like, you know, the whole two and a half minutes gives a slightly different context. Yep. So that'll be$17 million or you don't get your merger.

1:29:32Emily Jashinsky:Yeah, or you don't get your merger. This is not about what it's about. What it's actually about is this merger. It is a way to give money directly to the president so that he will sign off on a corporate merger that's worth much more than$17 million. Right. And CBS is not admitting wrongdoing. in the settlement. It is money that is going to his presidential library, which I think was the same thing in the ABC case, both$16 million settlements. I think when ABC settled, people who at the time were worried about the precedent that they set by settling are being vindicated because Trump has realized that he can essentially extort money for his presidential library.

1:30:11Emily Jashinsky:if that's what is going on behind the scenes of this, it looks like Redstone saw that and realized that you can sort of come to the table and look like you're making a deal with the administration in a way that actually grants favor with the president. And we'll see what happens with their merger. I mean, that's a... The other 10 cups... Zuckerberg tried to do that. Sorry, Zuckerberg tried to do that with the FTC and it did not work. Zuckerberg tried to give a ton of money to Donald Trump into the inaugural fund and all of that. And the FTC is continuing its suit. It's meta suit. Yeah. The other tin cup that they put out, and I wonder if you've heard this around town.

1:30:50And so people should look to see whether or not ABC or CBS end up becoming like investors in Melania's documentary.

1:30:58Emily Jashinsky:Like Amazon? Like that's the word around town. Another way that you need to, another, basically it's a coin operated and you have to find the different buckets. And one of the buckets you're supposed to put coins into is this Melania documentary. We'll see if it ever gets made. But you can imagine how the scheme would work, that the thing will raise a billion dollars in investment capital. And then it'll make 100 million. And you'll go back to the investors and be like, real shame that investment didn't pan out. But you got your merger. You don't even know how much it makes, though, because it's going to be on Prime.

1:31:35Emily Jashinsky:So it's not like there are tickets. Right. And then Prime can like overpay them for it. Yeah. A hundred percent. Um, so as, as dumb as the CBS editing was, it's also just like, we're, I don't even think Trump would deny this. We're in Roy Cohn territory once again. Oh yes. Yeah. He's loving it. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks everyone for sticking with us on this wild travel 24-hour period as we made our way into the studio. Ryan doing a literal planes, trains, and automobiles journey from Miami to Washington. Also, the show would have been on time if this were in China. It took like three and a half hours in the end to get from Richmond to D.C.

1:32:21That's a 30-minute train ride in China.

1:32:23Emily Jashinsky:Yeah, the Richmond leg of your trip was especially egregious. I had... It was supposed to start at 4.52 a.m., didn't start until 6.05, didn't get in until 9. And here you are. I had two delayed flights and one canceled flight yesterday. It was trying to get back was also wild, but not quite as wild as yours was. Stick around for the Ask Me Anything if you are a premium subscriber. If you aren't a premium subscriber, breakingpoints.com. Monthly subscriptions are back. You'll become one. Good deal. Yep, absolutely. So head on over there. Otherwise, Ryan, I think both of us are back here tomorrow.

1:32:58That's right. We will be. It'll be an easy one. Just coming in from inside the city.

1:33:03Emily Jashinsky:Yeah, compare it. It'll be very easy. All right, we will see you back here tomorrow, everyone.

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