7/22/26: Trump To Bomb Pickaxe Mt, Lebanon Civil War, GOP Screwed In Midterms

22 Jul 2026 · 50 min · 22 chapters

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In short

Breaking Points episode covering U.S.-Saudi nuclear cooperation and Iran strikes (including claims about “Pickaxe Mountain” at Natanz), Lebanon instability and proposed training of Lebanese elite forces, Houthi threats to block the Bab al-Mandeb Strait affecting oil routes, and U.S. midterm election polling/power rankings for House and Senate control.

Key claims

Trump approved a landmark Saudi civilian nuclear deal that could enable uranium enrichment; U.S. airstrikes are degrading Iran’s ability to threaten shipping; Trump is escalating rhetoric about “finish the job” and targeting Natanz-related sites; Lebanon could face renewed civil war via U.S./Israel plans to disarm Hezbollah through vetted units; Houthis are banning Saudi-flagged ships from Bab al-Mandeb; Fox News projections show Democrats leading/toss-ups in Senate and likely taking the House.

Notable examples

strikes across Iran for the 11th night; alleged dormitory attack at Tower 22 in Jordan; Bezalel Smotrich saying Israel has “no interest” in ending the U.S.-Iran confrontation; Fox Senate toss-ups in Alaska/Iowa/Ohio/Maine; House generic ballot favoring Democrats by ~4%.

Guests

Kyle Blumquist (Democratic candidate in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula against GOP Jack Bergman; also discusses Abdul El-Sayed and Haley Stevens races).

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Upcoming Topics and Personal Insights

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Krystal and Sagar share what's coming up in the show and personal anecdotes.

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Upcoming Topics and Personal Insights

2:52 to 4:06

Krystal and Sagar share what's coming up in the show and personal anecdotes.

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Political Climate and Midterm Elections

4:06 to 5:01

Discussion on the political landscape, particularly for Republicans in the midterms.

“Ryan Dropside's been doing a lot of work on this.”

Trump's Nuclear Deal with Saudi Arabia

5:01 to 6:29

Analysis of Trump's approval of a nuclear deal with Saudi Arabia and its implications.

“So we'll go through those numbers with everyone.”

Iran's Nuclear Response and U.S. Actions

6:29 to 8:02

Insights on Trump's military actions in Iran and escalating tensions.

“Let's start now with this Wall Street Journal story.”

Iran's Escalating Military Actions

14:01 to 17:46

Learn about Iran's military response following recent U.S. strikes and their implications.

“And then the IRGC vowed to keep operating to punish, quote, the aggressor.”

Iran's Escalating Military Actions

17:47 to 18:00

Learn about Iran's military response following recent U.S. strikes and their implications.

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Iran's Escalating Military Actions

18:04 to 18:34

Learn about Iran's military response following recent U.S. strikes and their implications.

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Political Accountability in Military Operations

18:35 to 22:40

Discussion of political responsibility and military strategy in light of recent incidents.

“It's the Jordanian air defense operators.”

Comparative Military Strategies: Iraq and Iran

22:41 to 24:48

Insights on the historical military strategies used in Iraq and their potential application to Iran.

“He's talking about Operation Northern Watch there, which is a reference to how in the 1990s, the U.S.”
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Funding and Resource Management in War

24:49 to 28:00

Analysis of military funding requests and their implications on U.S. military strategy.

“Now, Secretary Hegseth, speaking of money from or for the Department of War, Secretary Hegseth was on Capitol Hill yesterday asking for what was it right?”

Discussion on War Powers Resolution

28:00 to 29:00

The hosts reflect on the passing of a War Powers Resolution ending the war.

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Discussion on War Powers Resolution

29:38 to 30:09

The hosts reflect on the passing of a War Powers Resolution ending the war.

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Lebanon and U.S. Negotiations

30:09 to 37:44

The hosts discuss the implications of U.S. actions in Lebanon and Trump's meetings.

“Well, Ryan, let's talk now about Lebanon, also crucial to this entire conversation about the negotiations in Iraq.”

Houthi Threat and Regional Stability

37:44 to 42:01

Discussion on the recent actions of the Houthis and implications for U.S. policy.

“Meanwhile, the agreement that Trump has with the Houthis interestingly remains in place.”

Introduction to Midterm Election Polling

42:01 to 42:44

Discussing the context of midterm elections and health investment.

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Trump's Midterm Election Remarks

43:38 to 44:18

Analyzing Trump's comments on midterm elections during a White House meeting.

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Senate Power Rankings and Predictions

44:19 to 46:32

Discussing the current state of Senate power rankings and implications for Republicans.

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House Election Dynamics

46:33 to 47:57

Exploring the dynamics of House elections and forecasts from Fox News.

“Sherrod Brown is up in the real clear politics average by 0.6 at this point.”

Impacts of Polarization on Elections

47:58 to 53:09

Examining how polarization affects political dynamics and election outcomes.

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Trends in Independent Voter Identification

53:10 to 56:00

Discussing the rise of independent voters and its historical context.

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Exploring Gallup's Record Highs in Political Independents

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Learn about the trend of increasing political independents since 2008.

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2:57That'll be Emily's review of her first Fish show. That's what everybody wants to hear. Any top-line thoughts? What can we talk about at the end of the program?

3:06Emily Jashinsky:Vibes were chill. The vibes were chill. Three words. Vibes were definitely chill. Seeing Ryan at a Fish show is seeing Ryan at his absolute peak. My happy place. Yeah, no, truly. Truly. And Ryan brought his kids, which was super fun, too. The kids were, they were not so keen on it, but. They got, you know, slushies or whatever else you could get. It was an education. It was, it was. But lots to get to on the show today, Ryan. Breaking news on the Iran front. Also, Trump striking a brand new deal with Saudi Arabia on, it's about nuclear proliferation in the Middle East. So obviously relevant to ongoing negotiations in Iran and strikes continuing as well.

3:44Emily Jashinsky:So much to break down on that front just in the last few hours. Hegseth was on Capitol Hill. Trump was in the Oval Office. So we've got a lot of sound to work our way through. Yes. Hegseth begging for money on Capitol Hill. And I promise you, he's going to get it. Well, he will. He's going to get it. It might be a little bit of a fight, though. We'll pay up. Yeah. Also, huge, huge developments in Lebanon that we're going to go through. Ryan Dropside's been doing a lot of work on this. Yeah. Nobody's ever tried a civil war in Lebanon. So Trump's like, let's let's do that. But meanwhile, Yemen is threatening to close down and has, in fact, four Saudi ships shut down Bob Elmendeb Strait, which has been running a couple million barrels per day of oil.

4:25So if you liked$4 gallon gas, you're going to love what's coming next.

4:33Emily Jashinsky:Just you wait. It's only getting better. Midterm elections, we have some results to get to in Arizona, but also new polling showing exactly how bad the situation is for Republicans. New polling putting the House and the Senate. We won't—this is another radio trick, Ryan. We won't tell you who the polling is from, but trust us, significant that the polling is showing Democrats now face toss-ups—face a toss-up in the Senate and leading for control of the House. So we'll go through those numbers with everyone. new tariffs on Canada. This is a pretty significant economic development, lots of foreign policy and politics in the show, but a pretty significant economic development to go through.

5:16Emily Jashinsky:Jon Stewart and his thoughts on the DSA. Yeah, that'll be fun. You're going to want to hear this. Jon Stewart's thoughts on the DSA, also Republicans saying the, quote, Bolshevik takeover of the Democratic Party is in full swing. We might debate who the Bolsheviks are in this scenario. And Ryan, who's our guest? We got Kyle Blumquist, who's running in the upper peninsula of Michigan against Jack Bergman, a Republican, if he wins the Democratic primary. And we'll talk to him also about the Abdul El-Sayed and Haley Stevens race. And also he's another candidate who's really being propelled by his opposition to data centers.

5:53Emily Jashinsky:Yeah. You know, one thing that is the new data center, it's just, it's not in the show, But it occurs to me there's the data centers and there's the flock cameras. And I feel like flock cameras are starting to be slotted into that same role as the data centers and being this like sneaky under the surface issue that unites people who are maybe on the left and on the right are just normal and hate what this stuff stands for. And it's starting to have political ramifications. So a quick thought, not in the show, but much to discuss. Everyone likes their own flock camera. They just don't like the other.

6:26people's flock cameras.

6:28Emily Jashinsky:Yeah, flock cameras everywhere at the Phish concert. I'm sure. Personal flock cameras in your pocket. All right. Let's get to the show. Let's start now with this Wall Street Journal story. It is an exclusive to the journal. They're saying Trump has approved a landmark nuclear deal with Saudi Arabia in a big win for the kingdom. Reading a bit from the piece, they say President Trump has formally approved a landmark agreement with Saudi Arabia that will provide the country with a civilian nuclear program and potentially open the door to uranium enrichment in the kingdom's territory, according to administration officials.

7:03Emily Jashinsky:This piece popped at 6 a.m. Ryan, quick reaction to this development. Well, see, this is a theocracy that is responsible, and so we're going to provide them with nuclear weapons. They haven't dismembered a Washington Post journalist for at least several years at this point. They haven't launched a reckless war. Well, actually, they've launched several reckless wars fairly recently. So never mind. They have an they're led by an impulsive authoritarian dictator who actually has very few checks on him institutionally and happens to be very good friends with the president's son-in-law. Yes. The the friendship between Mohammed bin Salman and Jared Kushner and Trump was forged with billions of dollars of bribes.

7:51And so that makes it the kind that is able to be kind of endowed with a nuclear proliferation agreement in which we proliferate nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia, which, by the way, credibly involved in the attack on 9-11.

8:10Emily Jashinsky:Yeah. Now, they say the new deal... But that's fine, right? It gets better because this is going to last for 30 years, according to the Wall Street Journal. The new deal, which would last 30 years, is estimated to be worth tens of billions of dollars. It is designed to give American companies a central role in developing Saudi Arabia's nuclear infrastructure while shutting out other foreign competitors. The journal says a key provision of the new accord would have American companies build a uranium enrichment facility in Saudi Arabia if a joint U.S.-Saudi study determines such a step would be warranted.

8:38Emily Jashinsky:warranted. So very Trumpian, Kushnerian, if that's a word, to bring in the American companies and make the deal worth tens of billions of dollars for apparently at least 30 years in Saudi Arabia. Just so happy for everybody involved. Meanwhile, Trump is moving forward with his attacks on Iran overnight. There were continued American airstrikes across Iran. And he's claiming that he's going to attack a pickaxe mountain. If you're confused about where this pickaxe mountain is coming from, all of a sudden it's part of the Natanz nuclear complex. Why is he calling it pickaxe? Well, because you're not an idiot and you heard it.

9:20You're like, wait a minute, Natanz. Didn't we obliterate that in the 12 day war last year? Yeah, we were told we obliterated it. So if we're going to attack it again, we have to rename it so that people don't realize we're attacking the same thing. So there's another hole in the mountain, like a mile away or half a mile away from what we previously bombed.

9:43Emily Jashinsky:We call it Pickaxe Mountain. Pickaxe Mountain. That's what Trump says he's going to get now. We're going to call A1. Do you believe that Iran has moved nuclear centrifuges into Pickaxe Mountain? And when you say we're not done yet, what is left to finish? Well, I think that they may have, we don't have it on record. All we do is read the fake news. You know, we see the news is so wrong so many times. So, you know, maybe maybe this one they have right. But it's OK. It doesn't mean anything unless they have the material. You're talking about the centrifuges. It doesn't mean anything unless they have the material they don't have.

10:18We follow the material. That's where the action is. And we'll be hitting that area very probably pretty soon. And there's not not a thing they can do about it. Normally, I wouldn't say that if I thought they could do something about it. I would never say that. But we'll be hitting that area pretty soon and very heavily. So there's Trump saying that, OK, maybe they did move the centrifuges. But what good is a centrifuge if you don't have highly enriched uranium to spin in it? He makes a very good point. So the Israeli intelligence, which is pointing towards Pickaxe Mountain, comes out. They're like, oh, update, by the way, we forgot to tell you that also we can put up A2 here.

10:58Israeli intelligence concludes that, yes, they also moved their enriched stockpile there, too. That's according to Israeli intelligence. I think this sounds totally on the up and up and you could take this to the bank, right? Yeah.

11:13Emily Jashinsky:I mean, it seemed like that Israeli intelligence, it's always interesting to go back and anatomize how something goes through the media, like the life story of peace of intelligence as it makes its way through the media. Again, it does seem like that really was the genesis of now everybody talking about Pickaxe Mountain, including, of course, the president of the United States. Also worth bringing back in the Saudi nuclear deal we were just talking about further in the journal article. You have a quote here from the executive director of the Nonproliferation Policy Education Center who says, with or goes Saudi Arabia, so goes the UAE, Turkey, and Egypt.

11:47Emily Jashinsky:The idea that this will have a happy ending is delusional. And so just to bring it all together with nuclear proliferation, this is the Trump administration now going after pickaxe mountain while cutting deals with the Saudis on nuclear proliferation. Yeah. And when it comes to things that Trump has consistently believed in for many decades, tariffs are one of them. Thinking that Japan is ripping us off is another. He just flipped that to China, like the 90s. Being against nuclear proliferation is one of them. Like if you go back to his interviews from the 80s, he's been concerned about nuclear weapons and their proliferation for decades.

12:27Clearly, he has a higher value in life, and that is corruption. And so he's willing, like he doesn't, think about it. There are very few things he actually believes in, and nuclear proliferation being one of them. But he doesn't believe in it so much that he's not going to just discard it for a couple billion dollars.

12:47Emily Jashinsky:He's not even conditioning this. on normalized relationships between, or normalized relationship between Saudi Arabia and Israel, according to the Journal of the story. That used to be one of the holdups there. Yeah. He's recognizing that Israel's just not going to do it. He also said on Truth Social, this is our next element we can pop up on the screen, enough is enough, no more talks because they just lie. It's time to, all caps, finish the job. So what that is going to look like, still a bit unclear if we move on to A3B. What you're seeing here, according to drop site analysis, is basically U.S.

13:25Emily Jashinsky:striking Iran for the 11th straight night overnight as air defenses were activated over Tehran. Explosions were reported across Iran overnight in the 11th consecutive night of U.S. attacks with air defenses activating over Tehran for the first time in the current round of escalation. That's according to Al Jazeera in Tehran. The strikes hit a military base in Tabriz that's in the northwest of Iran for a second straight day. And then explosions were reported in three different cities and one overlooking the Strait of Hormuz. U.S. CENTCOM said it targeted Iran's maritime capabilities, drone facilities and aircraft hangars, describing the campaign as an effort to degrade Tehran's ability to threaten shipping through the Strait of Hormuz.

14:06Emily Jashinsky:And then the IRGC vowed to keep operating to punish, quote, the aggressor. And Iran's rhetoric escalating significantly, Ryan, in recent days as well, if that's even possible for escalation at this point. But clearly, there's always room. Yes. And so if you remember, was it last week we discussed the U.S. strike on a dormitory housing conscripts in Iran? Iran vowed to retaliate for that because like we were saying at the time, okay, you're in the military. It's plausibly that's a military target, but there's something unspoken that just like killing people in their sleep. It's just, it's not gentlemanly, maybe we could say.

14:50And so Iran vowed at the time, okay, we're going to respond. And so they had been, Iran up until now had mostly been targeting military infrastructure, the early warning satellite systems, all of our multi-billion dollar pieces of what are now smoldering junk that we had lying around the Gulf, they now appear to have moved to targeting actual service members. And so we can actually put up roll A3C. This is footage that was posted from a base in Jordan by a service member. You You can hear the warnings coming from the sirens and everybody just kind of scrambling to get to the safest place that they can before the ballistic missiles hit, which you now have much less time to do this because they have hit so many of the early warning radar sites.

15:46And so the missiles are getting much closer. In some cases, you're seeing video of strikes impacting without even hearing the sirens. Or in Kuwait, you might hear the siren for eight seconds and then a building has hit nearby. Or Bahrain, you're unlikely to get even eight seconds. We can add in post, this is something I put up on Twitter last night, a source sent to me, two photos of the results of the attack on Tower 22, which is a base in Jordan. And there you can see that the dorms were just completely annihilated. I was told that there were no fatalities, but a significant number of traumatic brain injuries as a result of this attack.

16:35And they've evacuated this quite influential and at one time powerful base as a result of them being unable to fend off drone and ballistic missile attacks. It's also told that they are shifting from the Shahed 236s down to like 231, basically. The point being that they're sending smaller drones, which are harder, as you can imagine, to shoot out of the sky. So the bigger ones obviously pack a bigger punch and have a longer range, but the smaller ones are much more able to kind of weave their way through American air defenses.

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18:25Rasmussen University. Are you ready to be your own hero online and on campus? Learn more at rasmussen.edu. President Trump has found the guy responsible for all of this. It's the Jordanian air defense operators.

18:42Emily Jashinsky:He really, Sherlock Holmes. He did. He figured this out. So demerits to that guy. So let's go to A4. They did slip something through in Jordan. And if we had other operators, you know, would have not happened, unfortunately. But we because we have the best equipment in the world, you know, we've stopped almost everything. But when you let other people do your job with the United States, we let other people do the job. And sometimes it doesn't work out so well. Oh, yeah. Trump never fails. He can only be failed. He said they slipped something through in Jordan. Three American soldiers died in Georgia.

19:25Emily Jashinsky:And a hundred wounded. Isabella Gonzalez, Tyler Fian and Angel Rompersad, in addition to another death that occurred, I think it was in Iraq over the weekend. That's what slipping something through in Jordan is. Right. And that's right. And so that's three people who would be alive if Trump had just stuck with the MOU. Yeah. Plus the fourth in Iraq, who was apparently nearby when they were trying to detonate an unexploded drone. and was killed in the explosion. Plus, then we're talking about at least 100 casualties. Some of them would probably be suffering from the results of it for the rest of their lives.

20:06There's a lot of complaints that the medical attention they're getting is extremely substandard, even when they get flown to Germany, which Tammy Baldwin was bringing this up in the Senate yesterday. It's like, we've been doing this for 25, 30 years. Like, how do you not have better medical care for people who are paying the price here for this absolute folly? Meanwhile, Bezalel Smotrich thinks this is, in fact, actually the best of all worlds. Let's put up A5, rather startling remark from Smotrich, reported by Amit Siegel, who's very close to Benjamin Netanyahu. Finance Minister Smotrich after the lengthy security discussion last night.

20:49He says, quote, the state of Israel has no interest in joining the contained confrontation between Iran and the United States. The current situation is the best one for us. rather crass i think after um four american service members are are killed and and iran continues to obliterate our all of the military infrastructure that we've built up in the in the gulf to protect israel by the way like we built we built it to protect israel but as we said at the top of the program the american war planes continue to strike iran so that's what that's what Smotrich means. Like he's, he's completely content with that.

21:32And Israel can use its time to continue to destroy villages in Lebanon and continue to launch daily attacks in Gaza, despite having agreed to a ceasefire and continue to try to push their imaginary yellow line deeper and deeper into Gaza. And luckily for Smotrich, according to Fox News, or this Fox News guests, you know, he might get the best of all worlds for another 20 years or so. Let's roll a six. How much longer do you expect this to go on? And do you think munitions should be a limitation at this point? What do you hear? No, I don't think, you know, the Pentagon has done a great job of restocking the munitions.

22:16I don't think that's an issue at all. But I can, I do expect that we're going to be there a long time. You know, Operation Northern Southern Watch went on for almost 20 years, I think. So I think this is going to be something similar. We're going to have to stay there. Those guys aren't going to change their behavior. We have to adapt. And I think we're going to have to get the Gulf states and those that rely on the oil coming from the Gulf states to help pay for this. Curious for your take on this, because I thought that was an extra revealing remark. He's talking about Operation Northern Watch there, which is a reference to how in the 1990s, the U.S.

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22:52had a no-fly zone over Iraq and would just bomb it like once or twice a week and sanctioned it to death. In the 70s and 80s, Iraq was the wealthiest country in the Middle East. It was very powerful. And then in 1991, there was this, what seemed to be a deliberate miscommunication between the U.S. and Iraq in which we greenlit them going into Kuwait. We then launched the first Gulf War. And after that, Israel considered Iraq to be its greatest kind of geostrategic threat in the region. Saddam Hussein was very sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. And so we spent the 90s just bombing the hell out of Iraq and sanctioning them.

23:44And then once it was sufficiently weakened in 2003, we went in and we topple it. And so what he's suggesting there is that that should be the roadmap for Iran, that we just spend 10 years just like bombing it once or twice a week. And then maybe 2035, we can send some troops in there and just push over what's left of it.

24:04Emily Jashinsky:Well, and as always, it's worth popping the general's name. Anytime you see a talking head on Fox News, that's very excited. Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, honestly, that seems to be analyzing a war as a never-ending one that might involve years of conflict. Who's he worked for? Let's hear it. Oh, he's a founder of his own AI company that happens to have contracts with the Pentagon. And it's a data center. It's a micro data center company. It's called Semper. Axios did a whole write-up of his company back in 2021. He's also a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, which, of course, gets a significant amount of money from defense contractors.

24:43Emily Jashinsky:So no surprise to hear Spaulding thinking this just might take a long time. Just pull himself up by his bootstraps. Let's see hard work rewarded. Now, Secretary Hegseth, speaking of money from or for the Department of War, Secretary Hegseth was on Capitol Hill yesterday asking for what was it right? Like 70 billion more dollars. He said the 67 billion, I think he wants. Right. Yeah. And he said the war so far precise amount for a organization that doesn't know how to count its money every year. The price tag for the Iran war, according to testimony from Dan Cain and Pete Hegseth yesterday, is now up to thirty seven and a half billion.

25:21Emily Jashinsky:How do they know that? They can't they don't know how to do an audit. How do they even know they're out of money? Thirty seven and a half. They're like, we're out of money. Like, how do you know you're out of money? Not thirty seven. Look again. There's money somewhere. Check out of the couch. But anyway, he was confronted by Senator John Ossoff. Let's take a look here at A7. You stated on March 8th, day nine of the war on 60 Minutes, you assured the American people of Iranians surrender. Does that remain your prediction? Ultimately, Iran will never have a nuclear weapon to threaten the United States of America.

25:54That has been the objective and it remains so. So just to review, you will not answer whether your statement made on the 14th day of the war that Iran's military had been, quote, destroyed and made combat ineffective was a truthful statement to the American people as you sit here and ask for tens of billions more. The senator's time has a historic and effective military campaign against the largest state sponsor of terror. Won't answer the question. They never get into the weapons center.

26:20Emily Jashinsky:Meanwhile, split screen here on Capitol Hill, Mike Johnson, Speaker Mike Johnson, who's looking at potentially becoming minority leader, Mike Johnson, is a little bit more concerned about the timeline of the war. Let's take a listen. The administration is working very hard. The commander in chief and the whole Department of War, they're working very hard to bring this to a resolution. There's a lot of discussions about how that will be done. We're all closely watching those developments, of course. I don't think an AUMF is in order right now. I think we need to bring this to a resolution. Look, I think it's important for all of our international partners, is my personal view, to have a role in this.

26:59I mean, we've got all of our allied nations through NATO. We've got the Arab countries over there, the Gulf states that are in closest proximity to Iran. Iran is now fired on all of its neighbors, and they're turning everybody in the world into an enemy. And I think this is an important moment of history for all of the world community to decide how they want to handle this. It shouldn't just be America's obligation. My view is that everybody needs to play a role. So we'll see how that develops. I think we have to allow the space to do that. And I know that this administration is working around the clock to resolve that in a way so that we don't suffer any more troop losses.

27:34This is a great tragedy. It shouldn't happen. But it is a very important, very important objective that I believe we've achieved to ensure that the largest sponsor of state of terrorism does not have a nuclear weapon. That would be a disaster for everybody. And everybody around the world understands that. Now we've got to wrap it up.

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30:09Emily Jashinsky:All right. Well, Ryan, let's talk now about Lebanon, also crucial to this entire conversation about the negotiations in Iraq. Trump was saying yesterday that he's it was going back and forth on whether or not he's negotiating with Iran. He would be willing to Senator or Secretary Rubio in the same kind of vein fluctuating on whether or not they're willing to talk publicly, privately, all of that. So let's move over to Lebanon, because Donald Trump was with the president of Lebanon yesterday in the White House. Yeah. And so Trita Parsi had flagged, and you can put this element up on the screen, this Wall Street Journal article that floats the various ways that the U.S.

30:48is exploring the idea of basically sparking a civil war inside of Lebanon. And I wanted to just read a little bit from this Wall Street Journal article because I think just hearing how the mainstream media writes about it, you as a normal person will be able to immediately spot all of the problems with this proposal. Also, the journal writes, Israel has battered the Lebanese militia Hezbollah over two years of fighting. Many Lebanese are turning against the militant group. And there's growing consensus in Beirut that Hezbollah must finally be forced to give up its weapons. But American, Israeli, and Lebanese officials are finding there are no easy options to disarm a U.S.-designated terrorist group that is embedded in society and bound to its cause with religious zeal.

31:36Complicating matters is Israel's invasion of Lebanon and its continuing occupation of swaths of the country's south, creating a point of tension with Beirut just when the two countries' leaders are aligned on disarming Hezbollah. And then they go on to say the dilemma has opened the way for once unthinkable ideas, pushing ahead. U.S., Israeli, and Lebanese officials are pushing ahead with a plan to train and vet elite units of the Lebanese armed forces. The idea here, they will train these Lebanese armed forces and then Israel will then kind of, after training them, turn over the occupation of southern Lebanon to them.

32:14But I just love this delightful line in here. Complicating matters is Israel's invasion of Lebanon.

32:19Emily Jashinsky:Unbelievable. Small matter. A mere complexity. Does make it a little extra. A wrinkle. We'll agree with that. But the piece then goes on to kind of try to disentangle this complexity, which comes primarily from, well, lots of different elements. But the fact that Hezbollah is a key element of the Lebanese military. There are Hezbollah sympathetic and Hezbollah linked people who make up significant swaths of the Lebanese armed forces. And so anytime the Lebanese armed forces try to move against Hezbollah, Hezbollah gets tipped off immediately because they are in there, because they are Lebanese.

33:05Complicating matters.

33:07Emily Jashinsky:Another wrinkle. Yeah. So then they go on to say, well, maybe we can get al-Shara to, you know, like they don't even say they're going to get al-Shara, who's the Syrian president, to go to war against Hezbollah. what the journal is suggesting here is that they'll get al-Shara to cut off the supply lines between Iran and Hezbollah. That would be a plausible thing that you could do and is a reason that Israel wanted to overthrow Assad and replace him with al-Shara. The problem is Israel couldn't help itself. And as soon as al-Shara took over, Israel threw a series of airstrikes obliterated the entire national security infrastructure available to al-shara blew up every truck every tank every plane every everything capable of firing a shell and so now israel saying oh hey can you go ahead and use your state apparatus to intercept the smuggling that is going on between iran and hezbollah and al-shara is like yeah about our state apparatus.

34:24You may recall or may not recall, you destroyed it all. So, sorry, we can't. So then you could build them back up, but that would create state capacity on the part of Syria. Israel has said that their strategic assessment is that state capacity itself is a threat to Israel. They don't care if a country is threatening them. If they have the capacity to threaten them, they consider that a geostrategic vulnerability. So they want to degrade every state near them to the point where they don't even have the capacity to think about challenging Israel. So they want Syria to have the state capacity to intercept smuggling routes.

35:14but they don't want Syria to have any state capacity because then that could be used to challenge Israel's occupation of the Golan Heights and increasing occupation further north towards Damascus. So the entire idea here is completely convoluted unless all they want is just a giant civil war to go on for decades. Then maybe they could get that if you send enough enough weapons and train enough, quote, unquote, Lebanese special forces or elite units.

35:47Emily Jashinsky:It put the Lebanese president in a rather interesting position yesterday as he was meeting President Trump at the White House. Let's take a listen to a flavor of their conversation in front of reporters. B2. Mr. President, it's an honor having you. Thank you very much. No, thank you. Thank you. I've been looking forward to this visit for a long time. Thank you. Meeting such a great president like yourself. That's a very nice state. See, he knows how to get to me. He can have anything. Now he can have anything. Would you like to say something? Well, the meeting finished and then Donald Trump posted on True Social that after it, he says, I am hereby directing my administration to allow all U.S.

36:25Emily Jashinsky:airline carriers to fly directly to Lebanon so that Americans can easily visit this beautiful land. Hopefully other countries will do the same. Enjoy President Donald J. Trump. Now, Ryan, I'd love to go to Lebanon. I'm not sure now's the time. A little weekend. Especially in the context you just laid out about the ambitions for potentially a civil war. We got friends there. We'll make sure you're taken care of there. It'll be fine. At first, I read that as all airlines will go directly to Lebanon. Every single one. You're not going to Detroit anymore. No. Everyone's going to Lebanon. There haven't been direct flights from the U.S.

37:02to Beirut since, I think, 1985, when there was a Hezbollah-linked, I think it was Hezbollah-linked, I don't know enough about it to confirm that, but hijacking, I think a plane that was flying from like Rome to Athens or something got hijacked and flown to Beirut, and Reagan was like, okay, Reagan had already taken all the Marines out, and I was like, okay, no more flights either. But yeah, so Trump and Awun are clearly making, forming a bond, what that's going to...

37:36Emily Jashinsky:What that does politically to Lebanon is an interesting question. Yeah. Like to the competing factions for power in Lebanon. Yeah. Meanwhile, the agreement that Trump has with the Houthis interestingly remains in place. The Houthis over the last couple of days announced, we'll announce that they actually would start with this. You put up B6. they announced that any ships docking in Saudi ports or any Saudi-flagged ships are now banned from going through the Bab al-Mendeb Strait, which is the way that oil has been basically flowing. It would go across a pipeline to a Saudi port and then through the Red Sea south over to Asia.

38:21What it has to do now is go up through the Mediterranean if it gets struck at all. If you want to have some fun, you can pause that video and read the actual Houthi statements. They're all so over the top and kind of crazy. Sounds right. The AB5, some Saudi tankers, you can put this up, have already made U-turns immediately after this warning because they have seen that the Yemen forces there have the ability to carry those strikes out. But interestingly, the U.S. and Yemen still have a ceasefire in place because it's a bilateral ceasefire. It doesn't involve anybody else. It's just between us and them.

39:07And Trump observed that, that it's still in place and but threatened that if it if it falls apart, he'll, quote unquote, take care of it. Let's listen to Trump in the Oval Office. This is before. What's your level of concern of a blockade of the Red Sea by the Houthi rebels opening up another front in the war? What happens so far? It hasn't happened. It might happen. But we take care of things. If something like that happens, we take care of it. You know, we've done that with the Houthis before and we haven't heard from them in a while since we did what we did originally. That was about 45 days of very powerful action we took against the Houthis.

39:48and we've had no problem with the Houthis. They've had no problem with us for a long period of time, including during this conflict. I think that if there is something like that, we'll just have to take care of business. Also, that Oval Office, by the way, I just can't get over it.

40:05Emily Jashinsky:I know. It's really, it's something. Have you seen the outside of the White House? No. Oh. Thai restaurant chic, just cursive. It's like a resort. It's like a golf resort. It's like one of his golf resorts. I don't know why we're on this tangent right now, but it's truly like the Oval Office in gold cursive outside. So, you know, when you're on a big resort campus, you have entered the rec room. You have entered the restaurant. That's what it looks like. It's egregious. And then if you want a little laugh, you just turn over and you see on the wall the auto pen under Joe Biden's name. The actual auto pen?

40:45Emily Jashinsky:Yeah, no, he is a picture of the auto pen instead of Joe Biden's portrait. It's all the other presidential portraits. And for Joe Biden, it's a picture of an auto pen. It's actually real. It is actually real. Can confirm, have seen it with my own eyes. Amazing. Yeah, it's something. But truly the region in chaos right now. But don't you worry, Donald Trump is at the helm. Yeah. And so this is, yeah, if Saudi Arabia is crimped from exporting, it's several million barrels per day through the Red Sea. The ability of the U.S., like we're still drawing down our strategic petroleum reserve. Like, yep.

41:24The latest we heard from our government experts like, you know what? Maybe we can go a little bit lower on the petroleum reserve than we thought we could before. And as somebody pointed out on Twitter, the U.S. is just basically driving with the light on at this point. The gas light is on, and we're like, this is fine. Next exit, 22 miles, we can make this.

41:48Emily Jashinsky:We do that with basically all of our policy right now. There's the gas. There's the debt. We can keep making it. Future's down, to your point, basically across the board, except for oil this morning as we record. And that probably explains what we're about to discuss in terms of the midterm election polling. Summer is here. At Orderly Meds, we know this time is a reminder that life is full of new beginnings. Whether you're celebrating the nice weather, starting a new chapter, planning a vacation, or simply looking ahead to what's next, this season can be the perfect time to invest in yourself and your health.

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44:08Emily Jashinsky:Well, amidst this conversation at the White House with the head of Lebanon yesterday, Donald Trump got a question about the midterms. Here's what he said. Do you believe that Iran is trying to impact the midterm elections by threatening the street of hormones. They won't have any impact on me. I'm just going to do the right thing. I don't view it as, gee, we're having an election in a period of time. You know, everyone says, oh, I'm doing something before. Now, the election, I can't think about that having to do with this. I think people are very impressed. I mean, we took over Venezuela. We now have a great relationship with Venezuela.

44:45We went to war with Venezuela, and the war ended in one day.

44:49Emily Jashinsky:What he said there was it won't affect me, which is exactly what is getting so deep under the skin of Republican operatives around the country and certainly here in Washington, D.C. Yesterday, Fox News rolled out updated power rankings for the House and the Senate that spelled disaster for Republicans. Let's go ahead and roll first here the Senate power rankings. Take a listen to Bill Malurgeon. Beginning with the Senate forecast, Fox News is projecting that control of the Senate is essentially just a toss-up right now, with the balance of power likely coming down to Senate seats in four states that are all considered coin flips right now.

45:30Those four states are colored in yellow. Fox News projects that Alaska, Iowa, Ohio, and Maine all have Senate races that are all toss-ups. And these are the matchups that will likely end up determining control of the Senate. Now, Republicans are eyeing a handful of potential Senate pickups in Georgia, New Hampshire, and Michigan, all of which Fox News power rankings project as a leaning Democrat, while Democrats think they can flip Texas, which obviously leans Republican.

45:58Emily Jashinsky:So a couple of takeaways here, not at all surprising if you've been following the developments, but they have Michigan leaning Dem, they have North Carolina leaning Dem. I think that's abundantly clear from the polling that North Carolina, as of right now, at least unless there's some black swan event will likely be on election day, leaning Dem. Ohio listed as a toss up. Alaska listed as a toss up. Ohio, particularly interesting, very big struggle for Republicans. They didn't expect to have such a significant struggle in Ohio at this point. But that's exactly what happens. And Sherrod Brown coming back.

46:31Emily Jashinsky:Yeah, absolutely. It's exactly what happens when you get into an unpopular war. Sherrod Brown is up in the real clear politics average by 0.6 at this point. Polling's been kind of clustered together in either direction, but that's just a disaster for Republicans at this point. And I noticed, and you probably did too, since you guys watch this show, that they didn't put Nebraska on that list. Yeah. If you look closely at it, they have it as a likely, so pretty dark red Republican. I would rate Nebraska as, now it's not a Democrat, it's an independent who's running Dan Osborne. I'd rate Nebraska as more likely to flip than Texas.

47:05Emily Jashinsky:I agree with that. he's running at about 30 percent according to real clear politics right now but uh that can 30 percent likelihood you mean 30 percent in the let's see what we have here looks like this is actually polymarket so he's real good politics integrates polymarket now yeah so they have him at a 30 percent odd in in polymarket 30 that's higher than i would give talarico agree completely what do they give talarico that's a good question not that we should be promoting this yeah i know I thought it was going to be the poll and I pulled it up and it was Polymarket. It looks like Tallarico is at 44.

47:40Emily Jashinsky:Time to get in on this one. But yeah, so maybe a real clear politics is selling out to the Polymarket. I'm sure they're not doing that for free. That's annoying. But in any event, if this war continues, I think that it gives Tallarico a better chance, but also gives Dan Osborne in Nebraska a better chance. because this state is just getting wrecked. Turek could plausibly win. He's up in the latest Fox News poll. They had him plus four. Iowa has been hit harder by Trump than basically any other state. The tariffs, the cattle stuff, the soybean stuff, he's just killing them all over the place. Which in the first term, you would see a lot of...

48:31Emily Jashinsky:You'd see a lot of patience or you'd hear a lot of patients, particularly from Trump-friendly farmers in Trump's first administration, because they understood there needed to be, I think everybody understands, there needs to be some type of rejiggering. But no question that in the second administration, as Trump has been much more ad hoc, that patience has likely worn thinner in many communities around Iowa. So on the House side... Of course, it's Maine. Yeah. And Maine could... I mean, what do you think of Maine right now? Because Troy Jackson was up in a recent poll over Susan Collins. Yeah, Troy Jackson doesn't have the same riz, obviously, as Plattner.

49:09Emily Jashinsky:To say the least. For better or worse. But he's a very credible, progressive, populist, working-class guy with a lot of people in Maine don't know who he is. But that's... And so that'll give... That could be a good thing for Democrats. Could go both ways. Susan Collins is going to spend, you know,$100 million defining him as God only knows what, who knows what they'll try to unearth about him. But he's a very, very serious candidate, and I think he's probably more likely to win than not. And it doesn't help Susan Collins for Trump to continue this war for another, you know, deep into the fall.

49:55Emily Jashinsky:This is a brutal one ahead. Let's take a look at the House now. This is Fox News' House power rankings now projecting that Democrats will take the House. And by the way, before we leave the Senate, it just occurs to me, about a year ago here in Washington, talk in GOP circles was basically, we got the Senate. Don't worry about this. The House, we might lose a little bit in the House. We might have a slim minority. There might be a little bit of a margin, a small margin between us and Democrats. We might go back into the minority, but the Senate will almost certainly be OK. That's what you were getting from the kind of sages of Republican politics here in Washington a year ago.

50:33Emily Jashinsky:Now, not only is that a toss up, but of course, the House is looking worse and worse for Republicans. Let's roll new Fox News polling again or new Fox News projections C3. As for the House, Fox News projects that Democrats have the lead to flip control of the House back to blue, and they're in better shape than Republicans there right now. There are six 16 House seats projected as toss-ups that will end up deciding control, though Republican redistricting wins could end up blunting some of the losses that the GOP was potentially facing. The Fox News power rankings also show, as of right now, voters prefer Democrats on the generic ballot against Republicans by about 4 percent.

51:13That's a flip from 2024 when Republicans led that by 1 percent. So you're looking at about a five point swing towards Democrats since the 2024 race.

51:23Emily Jashinsky:Now, that's interesting, Ryan, because actually Democrats probably should have an even bigger lead in these House races. And Harry Anton on CNN recently was showing differences in how Democrats are running now in the generic congressional ballot versus 2006 and 2018, both blue wave 2018, basically blue tsunami years. and they actually don't have as big of a lead in the generic congressional ballot right now as they did at the same points in time, 2006 and 2018. So those numbers, I mean, 16 toss-up races, Dems right now with I think it was a three margin, plus three margin in the Fox News power rankings.

51:58Emily Jashinsky:If they pick up all 16 toss-ups, all 10 toss-ups, that's getting in the healthier direction, but it's still going to be a pretty slim majority for them. It's either way we're looking at probably more deadlock. Yeah. My my sense, I guess, and this is not a novel thought, is that just the increasing polarization of the country as as more people just identify as either a Democrat or a Republican or they call themselves an independent, but they always vote Democrat or Republican. And as that phenomenon continues to kind of calcify or coagulate, you're just going to have there's less room for a wave.

52:39Like it's a wave. Instead of washing up on sand, it's washing up on granite.

52:44Emily Jashinsky:To your point, in January, Gallup found a record number of people in the United States identifying as political of political independence. That's up to 45 percent. And it's been a very steep increase. They say that, but they're less independent in their behavior. They're people who are ideological, but not necessarily partisan. They just tend to swing one direction or the other. But that's towards populist candidates in a lot of cases. I think that's probably where you see the increase growing up, especially with Trump and Bernie Sanders, that somebody who's a Sanders or Trump voter might think of themselves as independent, but find themselves reliably voting in one direction over the other.

53:21Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so no matter what happens, you're going to have just less of a movement. Plus, with the redistricting, you really take off the board a lot of races that might otherwise be in play.

53:35Emily Jashinsky:With the redistricting, Republicans have had so much swagger in the last couple of months about how they're going to be just fine in the House of Representatives. And again, here you have Fox News projections putting them. Like they think they might hold it at this point. That's what they're pretty confident. They had a newfound pep in their step after the redistricting on the Supreme Court decision. But it's... I mean, the Democrats have no money. Yeah, they're being outspent for sure. There was just a report in Playbook this morning about Democrats frustrated over their spending disadvantage.

54:06Emily Jashinsky:Trump... Like, the entire D-triple-C has, like, you know,$5. And Haley Stevens has, like,$70 million being spent for her. And she's going to probably lose. She is the D-trip. Yeah, like, yes. Trump ran the table in Arizona last night. He got Andy Biggs. His endorsement also got Karen Taylor Robson. And it's looking like some interesting races for the fall down there. What else happened in Arizona last night? Any interesting DSA stuff? Populist stuff? stuff yes uh the first first district um what's his name uh amishah um was uh had like two or three million dollars spent against him basically by apac um front groups and the d triple c supported his opponent and so it's kind of like an apac d triple c alliance and and sha won and so he'll go to the general.

55:04Then you had in the fourth district, Kai Newkirk, who we had on the program, spent almost no money and ran against Greg Stanton, a top kind of pro-business new Democrat, and ended up with, I think, 30 plus, 35 percent or so. So not terribly close, but he got a much bigger chunk than an incumbent would like to see from somebody who spent like 100 grand or something wow yeah and nobody voted like the the like if you look at the actual turnout um yeah here look so in the first district um you've got um amishah won 40 of the vote with 26 000 votes and beat the dccc uh candidates so like total of 60 000 um people voting it's arizona doesn't have the most robust kind of democratic primary participation, we could say.

56:05Emily Jashinsky:Yes. All right. And finally, I just wanted to note, since we mentioned those Gallup numbers, record high. 50 ,000 voted in the fourth district. Jeez. Wow. That record high of people identifying as independents, just an interesting note on that. If you go back and you look at Gallup's data, that starts to spike at a very particular time, and it's 2008. So it tells you about the direction our politics have gone since.

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