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25:53And yet they're exerting so much control over information and policy and all of that. So So in some way, they're the same story, like on that basic fundamental level, which is really depressing. Let's get to this video of to the point Ryan made about this not going away. Here is Ways and Means Committee Chairman Jason Smith getting asked by Casey Hunt about subpoena power. Would you ever use subpoena power to try to find out more information about Jeffrey Epstein? Well, you may use subpoena powers at any point. That is not a common thing that I have utilized within the Ways and Means Committee.

26:33But if I felt like that it was a priority for Americans, then of course. But like I said, this has not been something that's been a driving force. But you did use subpoena power with Hunter Biden. Exactly. We have the authority to use it. But that is the only time that I have used it. Epstein is not the priority of everyday American who's working nine to five, just trying to put food on their table, clothes in their backs and gasoline in their cars. That is not their focus. And I don't think their focus was Hunter Biden either. But this is another point where two things can be true. Hunter Biden, important story.

27:15Epstein, important story. Trying to put food on your table, important story. And people can care a lot more, and rightfully so, about putting food on their table, feeding their families, and creating a good— And also about child sex rings. You can care—yeah, we do have room in our hearts and minds for all of these things. And certainly people had room for Hunter Biden when inflation was even worse than it is right now. So that's not a good excuse. It does show to the point you were making Ryan how silly it is They are not just voting on this and it seems as though they're not voting on it because of the president Not wanting to continue giving an inch and inch and inch and fearing that they'll eventually have to give up a mile And do even more disclosures from the Department of Justice Right.

28:03Yeah, Trump clearly told Johnson don't vote on this voting would make it all easier But jump don't care even cynically. Yeah, so the other thing they're gonna they're doing is bringing Ghislaine Maxwell out Yes. You can put up. So they're inviting her to testify, tell us like, hey, actually, are you and your dad Mossad agents? Mossad says you're not. So I don't know. So so Ghislaine Maxwell's attorney, David Marcus, told CNN, quote, I can confirm that we are in discussions with the government and that Ghislaine will always testify truthfully. We are grateful to President Trump for his commitment to uncovering the truth in this case, unquote.

28:40So it is likely that we'll get to hear from Ghislaine if she makes it to the hearing. So that'll be... Now, like, okay, if she says she's not Mossad, do we then just wrap this up? But that's the thing. Like, this story, it's actually really good for people in power in a sense. Like, it's constructed in such a way or it exists in such a way that it's the sprawling network of different threads that you can keep pulling on to distract from never pulling on the big thread that unravels everything. And so you can say, OK, we're going to go talk to Ghislaine. And you can run out the clock by saying we're pulling on this thread and then taking a really long time to pull it.

29:24And then you never actually have to deal with everything. So it's actually not the worst scandal in the world to have to deal with from like a purely public relations perspective because it's so sprawling that you can say that you'll never exhaust new angles to say that you're looking into basically. And it's so easy to run up the clock and delay. So, I mean, that's probably what the next three years of the Trump administration looks like. So in order to talk more about what Epstein's life in prison was like and the end of his life was like, let's bring in Martin Gottesfeld, a former inmate from MCC.

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32:21And so to try to rectify that, we're joined now by journalist, activist, and former MCC inmate, Martin Gottesfeld. Marty, thank you so much for joining us. No problem, Ryan. Thank you for having me. So to set the stage here, can you talk about the time that you served inside the MCC and how that relates to Jeffrey Epstein's time there? Okay, so I was there from November 2016 to early February 2017. Epstein died there about two and a half years after I left. But at the time I arrived at MCC, Epstein had not yet been there. El Chapo had not yet been held there. And the facility was really kind of flying under the radar.

33:06People really weren't aware of it, even though that, you know, attorneys and prisoners had been active trying to reform the facility for a long time. The facility was already dilapidated. The staff were already out of control. Disaster was very clearly on the horizon. Anyone could see it. But at the time, I was a contributor for HuffPost. You were my editor there. And we published quite a bit about the facility before it rose to national prominence. And so we were really kind of like the early warning system that something was very likely to happen here. All right. And so one of Epstein's, tell us about your connection to one of Epstein's cellmates.

33:46So Epstein's, I understand it was Epstein's first cellmate, Nick Tartaglione. I was in the shoe on G-tier. So the shoe's got like different hauls. They're called tiers, wherever you can have cells, right? and like g-tier in that shoe is like the most elite it's where the higher profile guys uh tend to go and so i was already on g-tier when tartaglione uh came in like was arrested fresh off the street had never you know seen a jail cell from the inside before here's a cop so you know he had uh seen lockup but never actually experienced it for himself um and then um you know i understand that Nick was not Epstein's cellmate at the time of the death.

34:27I think that's important to underscore here. So what can you tell us about the way that the cameras work? I can tell you a lot. And we have this on A5, by the way. We can loop this. This is the video that Pam Bondi released. And Martin, you've certainly seen this by now. It's obviously, as Wired has said, spliced together. It's missing a second. And now people are actually saying we're in three seconds. And so three minutes, three minutes. Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah. And they tried to explain away one minute as like a nightly systems reboot. But then there's apparently two other minutes. I should I should add, I've not double checked the digital forensics on this myself.

35:06One thing, given my background, the government alleges I'm a hacker with Anonymous and that I single handedly orchestrated one of the largest cyber attacks the government had ever seen. So I just have to say I've not double checked the digital forensics on this. So I'm going off of what Wired wrote. To my understanding, there's no meaningful contradiction. Like no one's come forward with an alternative theory or whatever. But I can't personally vouch for, you know, there's digital forensics on the files. But, I mean, that's a view from another tier. And so the tiers are stacked like one on top of another.

35:41And they're in different like arms shooting off from the main area in the chute. And you can see the officers stationed there from visible from that tier. but obviously there's no cell doors right and so this doesn't really make a lot of sense the video is not particularly useful for anything and and in that shoe just so you guys know because this is something that's that's not been covered there's a camera in every cell and on g tier there's a cam there's two cameras in every cell and the problem is that guys cover them up right like you're you're trying to use the bathroom there's a camera pointing at you like what are you going to do cover the camera up, right?

36:18And so pretty much at any given time in the occupied cell in that shoe, the cameras cover. Now that's against policy, but the facility, I mean, what are they going to do? Send a team to every single cell every single day to uncover these cameras? Because the guys will just cover them back up again. You also though expect that they would have cameras in the hallway, that we would have a camera that's facing Epstein's cell door, right? And there's no explanation given for why that tape is missing or you know what happened to that camera and and they're trying to say the the cameras weren't working the DVR system had problems with the hard drives all this okay in the floor above that shoe is the 10 south special administrative measures unit okay this is national security stuff this is like where the 9-11 guys were held these are the guys who don't even get attorney-client privilege even their attorney-client meetings, their visits with their attorney are listened in on by DOJ.

37:13This is the highest of high security. And they're saying that the floor right below it that someone could use to access the 10 South unit had no working cameras or the drives were bad. Epstein died a month, two months after El Chapo left. It strikes me as very unlikely the cameras would be allowed to get into that position and very scary if in fact they were. So what's your sense of, you know, knowing people who kind of come in and out of that place, what's your sense of whether or not he would have been in a state of mind to have given up on his defense? Like you've seen other white collar criminals come and go.

37:59Yeah. Do they, because one argument is this guy's, he felt like his life was over. And so that's a reason why he would just take his life. You know, he had this high-flying life, Jets, mansion, partying, the elites, and now all of a sudden he's here. So it makes sense that he would just be like, you know what, I'm out of here. I cannot take this abrupt shift. What's your read on knowing other people who've gone through that situation? Personally, I obviously can't comment to his particular state of mind or his mental health, right? I can say that generally speaking, I have two problems with the narrative that he took his own way.

38:41The first is that, you know, any good attorney would have told him that he's got two things that are very important going for him. First, he's got the money to retain a vigorous defense team, right? And this can really matter because like I put this in my write-up, you only need look as far as Sean P. Diddy Combs, right? Who just beat federal sex trafficking charges in the same courthouse brought by the same prosecutors who are going after Epstein. Right. He had a big legal team. He did it. You know, if you read the media and the press, you would have thought he was done for. But, you know, he had the money for the lawyers and they squeaked it out.

39:18Right. So I don't really buy it. And, you know, Sean Combs, he didn't hang him. He didn't kill himself. It's called hanging it up in prison parlance, but he didn't do it, right? Facing a very similar racket in the same courthouse. They actually held him in a slightly different facility, but it's also very poor conditions. It's the ADX Max shoe in Brooklyn. And I've also done time there. I've done time in the shoe where Biddy was and the time where Epstein was. So, you know what I mean? Like, he didn't hang it up. And then as to the second thing is that Epstein was in a position potentially to cut a deal, either with the Trump administration or with some future administration.

39:58He had no shortage of people that he could have informed on. Right. And there's actually a federal rule of criminal procedure. It's rule 35B. Right. Where the government can the court can depart downward, can give a much lighter sentence. You can give a sentence lower than the statutory minimum. So even if he was facing, like, say, a statutory minimum of 10 years, the court could go below that statutory minimum if he had provided substantial assistance in prosecuting another individual. Right. And so the guys that you think of in prison as being desperate enough to take their own lives are generally the ones.

40:32Right. Who's all their boys have figured them out. Right. Everyone's right on them. They have no one left to sell out for a deal. That's the guy who's, in my opinion, the very large suicide risk. Here's the other thing, too. Epstein was a Wall Street quant. And if you do any game theory study, you hear about the prisoner's dilemma, which is basically the question of, do you rat someone else out in jail? That's one of the core exercises in game theory. I'm sure Epstein was familiar with it. It would be very unlikely in my mind that he would not have heard of the prisoner's dilemma. And so, you know, I've got these problems with the narrative.

41:10And from your understanding of the layout of the jail, does the footage that we have cover all the ways in and out? Or would there have been other ways that people could move around? So the footage doesn't even show the main entrance to the shoe. That camera does not even show the main entrance to the shoe. The main entrance to that shoe actually has written above it or had written above it when I was there. America's strongest shoe. It says that right as you walk into that shoot. So if it showed the front door, that's what it would show. This is the footage from some ancillary tier that is, and again, it's built with this central region where you have a little law library cage and you have the officer station.

41:52And then there are hallways shooting off in different directions. And they're stacked one on top of the other. So you'll have G tier above H tier. Like J tier above I tier. And they shoot off in all these different directions. The narration of the footage that I've seen shows that Epstein's tier was somewhere off way to the right of the footage that's been released. And there should be another tier camera. Like the camera that you're seeing here, it's recording the people walking onto a tier, the entrance of which is below the camera. So anyone coming onto this tier has to cross this camera and be seen.

42:26There should be a camera just like that on the tier where Epstein's cell actually was. But we've not seen footage from that camera. And so are there other things, as you've thought about this for years now, about the facility that people don't know? Like, you wouldn't know if you were just sort of a member of the public that influenced the way you see the allegation that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. Like, are there things going on there that make you see this story differently than if you've never stepped foot inside the shoe, people would see it? I think mostly the stuff that I've gone over.

43:05I mean, obviously, knowing the facility itself and having experienced the staff, you know, and you can, this is all public record. I published it back in 2016 and 2017 at HuffPost and Shadowproof. And we dropped an article at The Intercept, I think, in 2018 or 2019. Right. So, you know, it's all out there. But, you know, I sued over this facility. I filed in federal court because of the conditions there. Um, so yeah, I mean, it is, it is, I will say that it is a place where people can feel particularly desperate, especially in the winter or the summer, because you freeze in the winter and you boil in the summer in that shoe.

43:43Uh, there's no air conditioning. The heat is insufficient. You know, I had leaky water. There's cockroaches and rodents and everything in the shoe. You have to like put something under your, in the gap under your cell door. So stuff doesn't come in at night. You know, so that I mean, I can see how someone could potentially get somewhat desperate. But again, you know, you have all these guys who are facing, like, frankly, worse situations who don't have the money for the attorneys, who have their friends fingering them, and they don't commit suicide. They don't die by suicide. about three or four dozen guys were on death row, sentenced to die for really heinous crimes, right, on the day that the Biden administration announced the commutation of their death sentences, right?

44:29None of those guys had killed themselves. Can I ask also about the guards? You just mentioned that, and that's part of the story, is that the guards just, who were subsequently fired, just were, they were distracted, they were asleep, they just missed what was happening. that also is an element that it seems insane to a lay person. And maybe it is insane. But what have you made of that? So when I was there, you had a couple of COs who were good, a whole mess that were lazy, and some of that were outright malicious. And that's pretty much the mix wherever you go in the Bureau of Prisons, in the U.S.

45:08Federal Bureau of Prisons. It's going to be that way in pretty much any facility. You know, certainly they're supposed to do half hour rounds in any SHU. So a SHU is a special housing unit and SHU, and it's pronounced like footwear, a SHU. But there are certain rules in the SHU, and they're supposed to be the same wherever you go in the federal prison system. So they're supposed to do these half hour rounds. We haven't seen camera footage that definitively answers one way or the other whether those rounds were done. but we're told that they were not done and that, you know, there had been this long period, you know, before anyone had gotten to them.

45:45I find that realistic from my time there because you pay attention, you hear when the guards are coming on rounds and they definitely did miss rounds more than this. Yeah. I would think, yeah, that, that part actually did square for me too, just knowing people. And it's been in the middle of the night, like if you can get away with staying in your chair and, and, you know, closing your eyes and sleeping, you're probably going to do it. So that part of me kind of did track. In the Army, they call it pencil whipping when you're told to go make sure all of these Humvees have a sufficient amount of oil in it.

46:24And instead, you don't do it and you just check off that you did it. That's actually pretty standard bureaucratic laziness. I mean, again, you see it in the Bureau of Prisons everywhere. But there were a couple of COs. There was one, his name was Ortiz, and he would make his rounds every half hour. And you'd see it from the light because the light's off in the hallway at night, right? So you can see the flashlight coming and going. And I was up late writing a lot. I took 500 pages of notes in that shoot because Rolling Stone had asked me to write down everything for a piece that they were working on about my case.

47:00So I have 500 pages of notes, date and timestamp about everything that happened in that shoot. And yeah, so there were a couple who were diligent. I'm not trying to throw everyone under the bus, but for the most part, lazy and some outright malicious. Yeah. Yes. If people want to learn more about it, I would encourage they go Google Martin Gottesville and you can look up HuffPost or Intercept for his piece on the conditions at MCC. And then also his story on serving alongside Chapo. That's a pretty pretty interesting one that people can go find if they want to. Well, for a minimum security guy, for a guy who was supposedly minimum security, you know, the whole time.

47:41Yes, indeed. Well, Marty, thanks so much for joining us. Very much. Appreciate it. Thank you for having me. This is Matt Rogers from Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. You know, when people try a new food and suddenly it's like, wait, That's the reaction a lot of people are having when they first try Kewpie mayo. It's the one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. You've probably seen it in the grocery store before. And if you've ever just walked past it, some people would say that's a huge mistake.

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50:07The Bravo-worthy feud between Hunter Biden and the Pod Save America hosts rages on, and not surprisingly. Here's Tommy Veeder yesterday and actually John Lovett as well reacting to some of Hunter Biden's comments about them on Andrew Callahan's show just the other day. Let's roll the clip. You were on the board of Burisma because of who your dad is. And that is what people hate about Washington. And it was part of the problem. And like there's some other weird shit. Like he said he did blames the debate on his Biden staff saying they gave him Ambien on his foreign trip. but like biden got back from the g7 on june 14th the debate with june 27th a lot of fucking ambien if ambien was the issue like i don't think it's ambien it's age also like he was tired so they gave him ambien also like just like allow me to rant one more second like his big beef is that republicans stick together and democrats are united but he's obsessed with this show obsessed with george clooney they don't talk about gaza until two hours and 50 minutes into the interview I'm guessing that that was the bigger threat to party unity than a George Clooney op-ed.

51:19You know what I mean? It's just this sense of entitlement that like from Biden, from his family, from the inner circle that he was like owed the presidency, owed a second term. It is just very fucking grating. That Hunter Biden throughout Joe Biden's presidency was a terrible liability for him. And put the addiction aside, it is because he was on Burisma, because he became an artist, because he was part of a kind of sleazy Washington that, as Tommy said, people hated. You were a liability. You should be ashamed of the ways in which you made your father's political life worse. And the idea that we're going to listen to you now, give me a fucking break.

51:58Ridiculous. So you may remember that Hunter Biden actually really was cooking, Ryan, when he slammed the Pod Save America host for basically being guys holed up in multimillion-dollar mansions in L.A. Beverly Hills. Yeah, in Beverly Hills, and then giving the Democratic Party advice based on their time in the Obama White House, you know, at least 10 years ago at this point, and saying this is how the Democratic Party can, like, recapture the hearts and minds of the American people. Hunter's kind of right, and they're kind of right. Yeah, Hunter's definitely right. On the other hand, who is Hunter Biden to be talking about?

52:36It's incredible. He goes on and on about all of these people who he says have insignificant life accomplishments, including James Carville and David Axelrod. By the way, if all you ever do in your life is get a president elected, you actually accomplished a pretty significant amount. But without looking inward and being like, oh, wait, I'm Hunter Biden. I was born on third base and I just got tagged out, like standing off the bag. So, you know, while his brother, you know, was, you know, governor of Delaware and was possibly on his way to being president, I think, if he had not gotten killed by the burn pits in Iraq.

53:18So anyway, let's hear a little bit more of Hunter Biden's griping, particularly about Clooney and Smothers. He's not a big fan of Clooney. And this is not on Callahan's show. This is from. So it's actually sort of making the rounds. Yes. Well, he's he's done two podcast stops. So the first one was his good friend Jamie Harrison's new podcast that is being pitched in all seriousness as like a real effort to reconnect with the American people, to connect with the American people. Yeah. Weigel made that joke in his semaphore exclusive, like debuting the podcast. And it actually isn't like you can tell Jamie Harrison thinks that's what this podcast is.

53:57And anyone who's funding it thinks that's what this podcast is. But Jamie Harrison didn't like have any idea how to promote his newsy conversation with Hunter Biden. So nobody discovered what he said to Jamie Harrison until after he was going on that he had said anything like interesting on Jamie Harrison. He had all the good stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Hunter Biden with Jamie Harrison on George Clooney. The president of the United States didn't know who the actor was. They had written him and his staff. I don't know, 10, 5, 6, 4 letters, text, texting the staff over and over again saying he's going to pull out.

54:35He's going to embarrass the administration. He's going to embarrass the Democratic Party. He's going to pull out of the biggest fundraiser because you disrespected his wife, because you don't agree with the policy as it relates to an arrest warrant for Netanyahu. whether that's right or wrong, I don't give a shit. That's good for the party. I'm not saying he's not a good Democrat. I'm not saying that he's not smart. I'm not saying that he's not a brilliant actor. I'm not saying that he's not a good friend to the friends that he's friends to. But in that moment, no, he wasn't. He didn't do the right thing.

55:02And to say something that is so patently untrue in order to justify what you did afterwards is cowardly, is weak. He's also right that George Clooney was kind of cowardly. He wrote that New York Times op-ed not until after Joe Biden had his debate crash and burn. Right. When Clooney said. It was pretty like it was pretty close. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It was a couple of weeks. Yeah. But Clooney and this is, I think, reported out in the Tapper Thompson book. People at that L.A. fundraiser were really apparently kind of shocked by Biden's state. And if you remember, it was televised. Like, it was a huge, one of the biggest fundraisers ever.

55:46We covered it afterwards. It's when he, so there's video footage of it where he, like, wanders off the stage and Obama has to, like, grab him. And that was one of the times that they called it a cheap fake. So it wasn't just Clooney. Now, Clooney had the interaction where Biden's aide was like, sir, this is George Clooney. George who? George who? George who? And that's when Clooney was like, what? But now what Hunter Biden is referring to there is that Amal Clooney is an advisor to the International Criminal Court. And Biden was threatening sanctions on anybody involved with the ICC, which would mean that perhaps Amal Clooney would be barred from the country and would have her like bank accounts frozen and couldn't do financial transactions.

56:30So Hunter is saying that Clooney actually had an axe to grind there. Which is crazy. I mean, that's like a huge story. Also, it's like Biden, what are you doing? Yeah. You're choosing the side of this war criminal who's trying to cost you the election, and you're going to sanction Amal Clooney over this? Get a grip. It's such a crazy set of circumstances that Hunter Biden is casually revealing on this podcast appearance. But, Ryan, that's— Also, a crystal flag that he took credit for Leonard Peltier's commutation. I asked somebody who was involved with that, and they said it is a fact that that last-minute commutation was done with the family.

57:15So that's a credible—we can confirm that that's a credible claim, at least, from Hunter Biden. I mean, he went pretty deep with Callahan on Leonard Peltier. Yeah, so it tracks. And to overcome Biden's instinctive hostility to somebody like Peltier, who was convicted of killing two FBI agents, it must have taken somebody like Hunter to overcome that. So I actually, did you watch the whole Andrew Callahan interview? It was three hours long. I think I actually really like it, to be honest, because I found his comments on narcotics and addiction to be really interesting. He's a smart, charming guy.

57:53He's very smart. He's obviously beyond messed up and in the most tragic ways, some of which he's aware of, others of which he's not aware of at all. But I was thinking about yesterday, like there's this part of him right now that's the jokes about him being the new Joe Rogan. There's it's funny because it's actually he's kind of like the new Trump in the sense that Trump. The reason that people are making this joke about Hunter being the new Joe Rogan is because he comes out and laughably, of course, flames the Dem establishment and positions himself as a victim of elites, him and his family as a victim of scheming elites who just couldn't wait to get rid of his dad, which is obviously not true.

58:37But he's flaming the political establishment. He's flaming elites in a way that Jamie Harrison sure as hell isn't going to do. None of these influencers, Harry Sisson, sure as hell isn't going to do. That's why they got rid of David Hogg. And that's the thing that Hunter Biden is doing, that Trump forced Republicans to do in 2015 and 16. He went out there. He wasn't scared to criticize Fox News. He wasn't like, ooh, I won't get on Fox News or ooh, Pod Save America will go after me if I say something mean about them. And Hunter Biden's kind of forcing them to reckon with the reality that people want to hear you flaming the establishment right now.

59:17And that's the best way to get traction. I don't want it to take away from his art career, but Hunter should do a podcast, right? And with Hunter, there's so many pun names you can come up with for a podcast. Yeah. But yeah, Hunter, I mean, the right should love him. He loves guns. He loves liberty, freedom. I think the sad thing is he doesn't actually love guns. Not, probably not anymore. No. Maybe sober Hunter doesn't love guns as much as addict Hunter. But yeah, three-hour conversations with Hunter and like whoever. Just about Leonard Peltier. Like, I'd listen to three hours from Hunter Biden on Leonard Peltier.

59:52Get Netanyahu on there, like with the Nelk Boys. That was wild.

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