7/24/25: Trump Exposed In Epstein Files, Judge Denies Release Of Epstein Docs, Nelk Boys Scripted Bibi Interview

22:13It's like, okay, fine. Then release it. But clearly, Trump is either afraid as that even those breadcrumbs as to what it will all lead to. That's very possible. The intelligence angle, by the way, I still think is a very, very plausible one beyond his own personal motivations. And if you just put the totality of the way that all of the original statements from the Trump administration now align with where we are today, it just tells you nothing but cover up. I mean, Pam Bondi, thousands of hours of footage, all of these files, hundreds of FBI agents, et cetera. Remember, there was a statement from Dick Durbin, the senator from Illinois.

22:51I think he's on the Judiciary Committee in the Senate. And he put out a statement saying, hey, we were told by FBI agents to flag when Donald Trump's name was in the files. But now it kind of makes sense, right? Because this is part of probably why they were coming to Trump just like, hey, just so you know, your name is in here. But that is all just – it's such a massive conflict of interest. And for people, the Streisand effect of this story now is unbelievable. It's one of the top stories in the country. I'm not joking. If you look at Google traffic and especially if you look at people who are, quote, apolitical or, you know, kind of online, a lot of them probably voted for Trump.

23:27They may not necessarily consider themselves MAGA. They're really starting to break for, you know, if you want evidence, the QAnon shaman has now broken with Donald Trump and said, fuck this piece of shit. Just saying. All right. Listen, you can say whether or not, you know, I mean, he stormed the Capitol, you know, on behalf of Donald Trump. I think he's a constituency of some sort for these types of people. He was a hero, you know, if you'll recall. So I'm just saying, all these types of people, this is a very important story. He's not going away. Well, and I think it's really the first time I can think of where all of Trump's go-to tactics are just really not working.

24:02Yeah. You know? He's normally so good at being able to change the conversation and get us chasing after something else and having to deal with some. And obviously he's trying. I mean, I've seen the list of, like, all the attempted distractions. The Redskins. the cane sugar in the Coke and the Rosie O'Donnell should be denaturalized and lose their citizenship. And, you know, the now we've got the Obamagate stuff, the MLK files and whatever. And it's like, nope, people are still focused on this. And it's so obvious to what he's trying to do that not to say that the right isn't interested in the Russiagate stuff and whatever.

24:36We're going to cover it in the show. But it is not throwing people off of this particular case, especially as the story just continues to drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, continues to develop. And then the other thing is, and you and I were talking about this a little bit before we started the show, like I don't think Rupert Murdoch is the type of media figure who's just going to be terrified and run away from the case because of the threat of a lawsuit. You know, Trump has already, okay, he's already played that card. He said he threatened them before they published their birthday card scoop. He threatened them, said, this is absolutely fake.

25:12I will sue you. I will ruin you, et cetera. They went forward with it anyway. And so he's already played that card with them. And then that's the other thing that's significant about this coming out in the Wall Street Journal after that initial scoop is it's sort of a message to him, too, of like, OK, well, we're going to keep going. Like, you're not slowing us down. Yeah, let's play. Let's go. I'm not afraid. We're moving in this direction. And Murdoch obviously has a sprawling media empire, including Fox News, including Wall Street Journal, including the New York Post, all of which are incredibly important and influential.

25:44And I think he also is someone who does not see Trump as being bigger than him. Look, Murdoch has always hated Trump. In a secret way, like they despise him. It is an alliance of convenience at the very best. Trump both fears and respects Rupert Murdoch and vice versa, right? But the thing is people need to understand about Murdoch is, and I was reading from Dylan Byers. He works at Pug. He's one of the best like true inside the room media journalists. And he pointed this out. If you look at the previous settlements, ABC settles with Donald Trump. Why? They were going to win. There's no question that they were going to win the George Stephanopoulos case.

26:20Why do they settle? Because ABC is owned by Disney. Bob Iger is like, look,$16 million and I get to keep my theme park permits, which print hundreds of millions of dollars a year? Easy trade, right? Because they don't care about journalism. They care about business. CBS owned by Paramount, which needs to merge with Skydance, which needs the FTC and the FCC to approve their merger. $16 million is nothing for a multibillion-dollar deal. Sherry Redstone has been trying to offload this shit for years. She's like, I will pay anything to get rid of this. Oh, and by the way, she's super pro-Israel. So at the same time, she's like, I don't care.

26:59Whatever. Let's make a deal. Murdoch, people forget this. He sold the bulk of the Fox empire, the Fox networks and all the other stuff, years ago. And he sold it to Disney. He doesn't need the regulators nearly as much. He still owns Fox. He still owns News Corp. That's basically it. A lot of his personal empire has been offloaded. He's sitting on a shitload of cash as well as his foreign media empire. He doesn't need the same regulatory approval. Now, listen, the FCC can make life miserable for anybody, so I'm not saying it's theoretically possible. But also what Dylan said, if you note inside the lawsuit that Trump filed, it specifically doesn't go after Fox News.

27:36It actually doesn't touch Fox News very carefully. It was crafted to make sure it only goes after Murdoch, the two journalists, and others. Another thing is, is that Trump may actually have filed the lawsuit in such a way that it will require immediately dismissal because Florida law basically requires that you have to wait like five days or something after a story to be published, to actually publish, to file suit. They did it obviously before the five days was up. They may have actually crafted the lawsuit in a way where it will require dismissal and then both sides can claim victory. So it may be possible that they knew it was a fake lawsuit from the very beginning.

28:13It was all posturing. And also, So what, I mean, let's think about the implication here. Trump would literally have to sit as president of the United States for a deposition for hours about Jeffrey Epstein. About his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. Sworn deposition. You really want to go through with that? And then Murdoch. There's 0 % chance he would go through with that. It's not happening. Yeah, exactly. Like the risk for Trump is exponential. The risk for Murdoch is not that high. He's sitting on$40 or$50 billion and he's 94 years old. And by the way, he loves to fight. As you can look at all of his past, I really recommend people go and look at some of the past legal broiling this guy has gotten himself into here in the UK and in Australia.

28:57This is what animates them, you know? And so I put that all together. I'm not saying Murdoch may not settle. He may do it just to basically bribe Trump. Maybe Trump will say no more Trump administration officials on Fox News, but I don't think so. They need each other. It's a symbiotic relationship. shit. So anyway, I'm betting on Rupert on this one. I really am. Well, like I said, I think the fact that they published this scoop so soon after the original one, it really does send a message of like, we don't care. Go ahead. We don't buy that you and your fake threats, that this is any sort of a real risk for us.

29:28And we're proceeding. There are a couple other details that are worth pulling out in this Wall Street Journal piece that were interesting as well. First of all, they had some details about Dan Bongino and Pam Bondi fighting. So let me read this section. They say that Bongino has told colleagues his association with the administration's decision to keep the files private has eroded his credibility among the base of support that fueled his rise as a successful podcaster and media personality on the right. So he's concerned that this is all damaging his brand as a podcaster, which is, you know, important thing for for high level FBI official to be worried about.

30:04Bongino did not respond to a request for comments. They also have these details of this fight. So on July 9th, they say after ABC News reached out to the White House about Bondi's briefing to the president, Bongino and Bondi clashed in a meeting in which Bondi alleged Bongino was secretly providing information to the media to damage her reputation. Bongino in turn exploded about Bondi, his face red, and called her a liar, a senior administration official said. They also have some details in here about FBI Director Cash Patel, who apparently is privately going around and spreading the information, gossiping about the fact that Trump's name is in the files.

30:41So this is becoming common knowledge in D.C. And so no surprise that Elon, I think Elon knew. That's almost certainly the source of where Elon came from. And it makes sense because FBI director was the one who gave the order to the agents. to all, remember they said hundreds of agents and said, hey guys, flag anything there that's in Donald Trump. So yeah, I mean, look, nobody can deny this. The actions of the administration are so unbelievably sketchy now at this point that I don't even know how they dig themselves out of it. Again, other than a full release. But even at that point, there's just gonna be so much scrutiny, so much requirement for transparency to say, what the hell are you guys hiding?

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34:09So, I mean, this is where a lot of the ways that these, you know, a lot of the way in which they even, like, said that they were going to request the transcripts, it was obvious basically from the beginning that it was almost certainly likely to fail just moving through the court system. It just gets to this whole fakery about what the Epstein files are. Like, it's in the IRS, in the Treasury data, and inside of the FBI, which you have executive purview. You don't need no judge to release any of that. You can release all of it yourself if you want to. Look at the MLK files, right? You can release all of this data, 302s, et cetera, for the public interest.

34:48There's direct executive purview for all of this. You have that ability today. You don't be putting this on some judge. And especially here, the grand jury documents, part of the reason why I said even that would be dramatically insufficient, is that those grand jury documents and transcripts are specifically about the narrowly tailored charges against Epstein, which only involve him and the sex trafficking allegations against him. It doesn't get to any of the broader implication. Senator Ron Wyden, who, by the way, I got to give credit to. The guy's been working on this story for multiple years now at this point, so long before it was convenient.

35:30He literally said, I personally looked at treasury documents which show$1.5 billion in suspicious activity reports that were filed after Epstein's death. $1.5 billion in wire transfers from the richest and most powerful people in the world also connected to sex trafficking rings all across the world, including Eastern Europe. That fits with the New York Financial Services document. The government has it in its ability to release those documents today if they want to. Where is it? You know, this is what I'm getting at in terms of the they're trying to fool the public with stunts like this. And genuinely is very important for people who are interested in this to be able to parse and say and say, oh, Trump tried.

36:11No, he didn't. OK, this was guaranteed to fail basically from day one. And, you know, it's a stunt. There's no other way to put it. And you know what? If they had pulled this stunt first. Yeah, then fine. Then, you know, not not fine. But I think people would have bought it more. I think you're right. Would have been like, oh, we're trying and the courts are standing in our way and these liberal Marxist judges, blah, blah, blah. And by the way, there's still a question of whether the grand jury transcripts from Manhattan will be released. But that judge has also already said basically like my hands are tied unless they provide additional submissions and rationale for why we would do that.

36:45So listen, this is very, very, very unlikely to happen. And even if it did happen, what it would provide would not be the quote unquote Epstein files. But, you know, the Ron Wyden thing is actually really important. And this is the thing that Julie K. Brown, who has been, you know, focused on this case down in Miami for years and years at this point. This is what she always says. I heard her interview with Ross Douthat over at The New York Times. She said, I've always insisted that the government has tried too hard to rely on the victims to build the case instead of following the money. She's like, if you really want to know what was truly going on here, follow the money.

37:20And that's why the Ron Wyden piece is so important. I've said it here, too. And that's why it's just so preposterous. The money is the center of the Epstein story because that's where the arms trafficking stuff comes in, his connections with Maxwell, all of his fake wealth, the Leslie Wexner stuff. And it's because of the money and it's because of what I believe, what I believe is his work with these intelligence assets is what leads to the sweetheart deal of a non-prosecution. It's not that the government was running the, quote, blackmail ring or whatever. It's not the government was running his sex trafficking operation.

37:55It's that when he got in trouble for that, they're like, all right, guys, we're going to help this go away. There are documented instances of this going back for decades. Multiple times CIA officers and others have been let off for sex crimes because they don't want to release sources and methods. The actual financial documents and others, I believe, would show a vast array of sketchy financial transactions which have basically no other explanation other than intelligence work. Yeah. Where did all the money come from? Well, yeah, exactly. And who did it go on to? Who did it go to? And for what purposes?

38:27And for what purposes? Why was it all offshore? Why did all these banks just look the other way? This is the story. And yeah, you're right. I'm glad that Julie Kay Brown continues to beat that drum as well because that is the beating heart of why you're allowed to get away with everything. And also, I think that's what would implicate way more. And this is where, look, I mean, no offense to Donald Trump, but he's not actually even all that wealthy compared to the people who are actually. He is now. I was going to say now. But at that time, that's when he's filing for bankruptcy and all of that dealing in the 1980s with the Atlantic City and all that.

39:01He didn't actually have the chops to be dealing at the highest levels of global finance. The people who did, they have a lot to lose if those files come out. And I think it was Mark Epstein, Jeffrey's brother, who said that Trump always wanted to fly on Jeffrey's plane because he wanted to save the gas money. Yeah, so, you know, I think probably the seven times on his plane is probably an understatement, because remember, they were basically neighbors in Palm Beach, lived like a mile away from Main Street. Yeah, it was a mile long ago. And then, you know, obviously they were in Manhattan together as well.

39:30So a lot to pull back there. Trump says, though, Sogret, this is all going great for him. And his approval rating has never been higher. Let's go ahead and take a listen to that. We've achieved incredible things in a very short period of time. And in polling released just last week, it was announced that the approval for congressional Democrats under Hakeem Jeffries has reached the lowest ever recorded 19 percent. And Republicans are doing well. And I have the best numbers I've ever had. You know, it's amazing. I watch people on television. Well, what about Donald Trump's polling numbers? They're the best numbers I've ever had.

40:08And with this made-up hoax that they're talking about, my numbers have gone up four and five points. They want to do anything to get us off the subject of making America great again, and we're not going to put up with it. And remember, don't let them forget, it's so important, Obama cheated on the election. Look, the camera just went off. The red light just went off. Can you believe these people? how bad they are. So obviously his approval rating is not going up, although it is important to parse these things because the polls that have come out so far do show that with his base, his numbers have stayed the same or gone up.

40:48I mean, all within the margin of error, but he certainly hasn't fallen off with like Trump supporting MAGA base, self-identifying Republican voters. His numbers haven't fallen off at all. If anything, they have actually gone up. But Harry Enten broke down the numbers of how his approval rating is actually doing at this point. Overall, let's take a listen to that. Look, he started off back in January, plus six points on the net approval rating. Minus three in March, minus seven in May. And now he's at a term too low at minus 11 points. His net approval rating has dropped nearly 20 points in the aggregate since the beginning of his presidency.

41:25He's underwater on all the major issues of the day. Trump's net approval rating on all the major issues. Minus five points in immigration is best issue. He's underwater. How about the economy? That was what he was elected for. Minus 14 points. How about foreign policy? Minus 14 points. How about trade in those tariff wars? Minus 15 points. And of course, the Epstein case, the lowest of the bunch. Minus 37 points. I do have one piece of good news for Donald Trump and that there is one other presidency that has a lower net approval rating at this point than this one. The bad news is that it was Donald Trump's other presidency, His first presidency, net approval rating six months in.

42:02The worst was in 2017. Donald Trump was 16 points underwater. The second worst, however, is this Donald Trump presidency, 11 points underwater. The average president at this point since 1953 has a plus 27 net approval rating. So there you go. That's the reality of where he actually is. I mean, with regard to the base numbers, I was talking to you a little bit about this before. But look, I'm sorry the liberals were right. It is a cult. And I see this as sort of whether it's an intentional or unintentional. It's basically a test for his base. Like, will you stay with me even as these sort of like core central mythology of MAGA and Trumpism, even as that is completely blown apart?

42:47And it does. It reminds me of the, you know, grab her by the P word moment. It reminds me of these like doomsday cults that, you know, the day that the world is supposed to end comes and goes. and you would think that faced with this evidence that like you've been lied to and this is all ridiculous and lo and behold you're in a cult that people go would sort of snap out of it and go about their lives and some of them do but many of times what happens is they actually because they've dedicated so much of their life and their being their identity this they double down on it and there's some rationalization of oh well actually god has given us another chance to recruit more members to our cause there's some rationalization that spun why didn't happen this time, but now you have to believe even harder.

43:27And when you look at the numbers just among his base, that process is unfolding right now as we speak. I don't disagree. I mean, I just don't think it's all that unique, I guess. I mean, it's one of those where, let's think about Russiagate, right? I mean, we're going to talk about Russiagate later, put the actual thing and all that aside. I mean, even after the release of the Mueller report, the vast majority of the Democratic base still believe that Russia stole the election and directly influenced the vote count in 2016. Bullshit, but they still believed it. If you look at the cult around a lot of political figures, Obama is probably a good example.

43:59I mean you have somebody who literally ran on – I mean I think his approval rating with the Democratic Party never suffered a significant blow up until the day that he left office. And in fact, his affinity at this point is still one of the highest within the party, right? And so, I mean that kind of is unfortunately a deep part of the American system. But this is why I do think that the base argument is an irrelevant one because the base doesn't matter. Bases always stick together. They always are cultish in their support of political parties. If Obama had the Democratic base in his pocket or the Democrats had their base in their pocket, then they would have won the election.

44:38They did not win the election. Why? Because there are independents. There are other people who still vote, especially in these higher turnout elections like presidential elections. and that ultimately is how Donald Trump came to the Oval Office. I mean, the MAGA base is not going to win you the state of Pennsylvania. The MAGA base is not going to win you Georgia. It's not going to win you Michigan. It's not going to win you Wisconsin. It's not going to win you North Carolina, Nevada. I could go on. Arizona, right? It's the swing, 2 % to 3%. Go look at the margins in PA. It's not like it was a blowout.

45:10It was like 1 % that he won the state. Those are the people that matter. I think this is an important moment for them, and that's part of why I get frustrated with the convo because, yeah, political bases are by and large cults. Now, Trump, I'm not going to deny, okay? The guy is unique for sure within the context of politics. The cult he has, I think Obama is probably the closest analog, but I still think Trump is unique. In your and my lifetime, he's the closest analog. I'm trying to think about – Reagan actually came pretty close in terms of his cult with the base. It's hard for me to really, because I was young when Reagan and you weren't even alive.

45:46So it's hard for me to like have a real sense of texture. Well, I've read about it. People should read the Nixonland books that kind of go into the rise of Reagan. It's important. I mean, he was the most beloved figure in the Republican Party before Donald J. Trump. Yeah. And I mean, I sort of feel like, though, his mythology was almost more after the fact, though. In some part. I mean, he was still very popular in 1986. Sure. And he left. I'm trying. Actually, OK, let's put it this way. FDR. FDR is probably the most analogous example. Or JFK is another one where even after he died in the 1980s, he'd walk into a Boston coffee shop or something, and there'd be a picture of JFK up there with a Saint medal or something like that.

46:23That's a cult, okay? JFK amongst Catholics. He was a martyr to his fair. Yeah, JFK amongst Catholics. I'm just saying, that type of stuff is, I wouldn't say normal, but it rhymes throughout American history. But that's not enough to win elections. To win elections, you still have to appeal to a broad enough base. I have been with Rasmussen University since 2013, all virtual. All of my professors throughout the entire journey have been nothing but supportive of making me reach my dreams. Rasmussen professors, they want to see you grow so that you can be what you went to school to be. I'm so thankful for Rasmussen University for being able to make it so easy and seamless.

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49:11This is probably a good segue to our Nelk Boys segment because that is a watershed cultural moment for the future of the country and for a lot of these people who did vote for Donald Trump, putting Nelk the guys out of it. I'm talking about young people. Remember, young men specifically broke hard for Trump in the 2024 election. Now, will they come out to vote again? Nobody knows. All right. I think so. Especially people, especially age, they gain some, you know, grasp in society. They start to. And I think this Nelk boys moment is a very important one for, I think both in the Israel conversation, but really politically and media wise as well.

49:48So it's been, let's transition here now. The Nelk boys continue to talk both about the details of their interview with Bibi and Netanyahu, but more importantly, the incredible amount of remorse that they show that they have never done before. Remember, these guys have had on Trump. They had Trump on in 2020. I remember when their episode got taken down after he was talking about the stolen election or whatever. They had on Candace. They've had on all the most controversial people. They've never apologized. And yet this time, the level of freakout from their own audience and within their own cohort is such that they are doing public mea culpas.

50:28Here we have Kyle from the Nelk Boys, basically not only expressing remorse, but saying he would have changed everything about the way that he did his interview with Bibi. Let's take a listen. I wish we could go back in time and fucking grill him a thousand times harder. And we just went in there fucking unequipped to fucking interview him. We have a lot of Muslim friends. We fucking, we've been to fucking Dagestan. We all know what's in our hearts. We don't hate anybody. We're not taking sides in this shit. We love everybody. I'm sleeping great because I know how I actually feel on the inside.

51:02So, and I know a lot of you guys are fucking, and this is not an apology. This is just, we fucking walked in there and we weren't fucking ready for it, man. And we were just, we walked in there uneducated and I can admit that. But life goes on. There's nothing you could do. It's an apology. He's sleeping great. You can tell. It's an apology file. He's barely even thinking about this. You're thinking about it, brother. I mean, in some ways, I'm like, look, you got a bunch of prank, frat, degen morons who are walking in there, and they didn't know what they're doing. But they have enough. Okay, these are 30-year-old men.

51:38Yeah. Okay? This is the other thing is the, like, infantilizing. Even, like, the Nelk boys. I know that's their name or whatever. But, like, you're a grown-ass man. Yes. And people warned you. You knew going in. That's fair. And you didn't do like a day of research. Like you didn't do five minutes of research into, oh, here's what he's going to say. And here's actually what all the organizations say about whether or not they're starving Palestinians. Oh, look, here's a picture of a dead baby who's been starved to death and is clearly amazing. You couldn't be bothered to do that. And the part where he's, oh, I've been to Dagestan.

52:13It's like, I mean, and then he's, well, we don't take anybody's side. still just in the, you know, we'll just let people speak their truth. You just, it's, I think it's important because this is the logical conclusion of the idea that you just platform anyone. And this is not like against platforming people, but that you just have anyone on and just let them spin some bullshit and let them use your platform for their own ends. And the heartening part about it is that their audience was not having it. Like, that is actually heartening, but it still displays that this approach is completely morally bankrupt.

52:52And I don't care that you're going to have, quote, unquote, the other side on. Like, you had the biggest monster on the planet on your podcast and asked him about Burger King and McDonald's. No, that was the only time that they pushed back, Crystal. Right. It was on Burger King. It was on Burger King. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, it's just, like, unbelievable. You know what? You're right. At the end of the day, Kyle, Sinead, you guys are 30 years old. you've built businesses you're multi-millionaires you're right I shouldn't get I shouldn't excuse their idiot because they were also self-aware enough where if you remember because you watched the whole thing in the beginning they're like we're so not qualified to do this bro you know like we shouldn't even be doing this I can't believe it and you're like well if you have the self-awareness to be saying something like that then like maybe you shouldn't be saying it and in fact the details coming out of this make them look so bad here they are admitting that they got a script from the Israeli government when they walked into the room.

53:44Let's take a listen. So we walked in and there was just like 20 people in suits there. Yeah. The setup was already there. Like both flags. We couldn't touch anything or move anything. And they don't give you any restrictions like don't ask this. I'll be honest. They gave us a paper with questions to ask. But they also said like they kind of, you know, they gave us a script to ask, but we didn't really follow it. We tried our very best to ask some questions, but I think - I personally, I like the questions you ask. So we tried our very best, but we had a script. Now look, I will defend them in a certain respect.

54:26I have interviewed Trump on multiple occasions where the White House will hand me, it's ridiculous. It literally looks like it's from Microsoft Paint and it'll be like Trump accomplishments. And it's like a single space document of all of his stuff. You're just like, oh, thank you. And you just put it off or whatever to the side. But I was prepared. I had a list of questions that I actually wanted to ask. And it's like, brother, I don't think you had a list of questions that you wanted to ask. And that's the problem. It's not like he was like, yeah, they gave us a script. We threw that in the trash.

54:53No, he's like, well, we didn't totally follow the script. Yeah, and it also gets to the preconditions, right? So when you walk in there. So for example, they're like, oh, we weren't allowed to touch anything. Everything was set up. There's 20 guys in the room. It basically sounds like what happened is that the Israeli and White House set this – the Israeli government and the White House set this interview up. Yeah. They were like, sure, no problem. They didn't give any conditions. They didn't ask for the ability to ask for whatever they want. Apparently, you know, the whole set is there. By the way, why are there 20 people in the room?

55:27That's fucking crazy. I would never agree to an interview like that. It's insane to have all these people in there. They didn't exert any of, like, the interviewer's prerogative, in my opinion. Yeah. And then you put all that together now with what we're about to show you, which is that they were basically used as useful idiots here by the White House. This was revealed when Hassan started talking with the Nelk boys about the exact circumstances. And here's what they had to say. All right. So you guys interviewed the incarnate Benjamin Naniahu. And now everybody's yelling at you guys. OK, so first and foremost, who the set that up?

56:03So some communications team at the White House hit us up, connected us with their communications team and presented us the opportunity to do it. But with the full-time podcast, hate or love it, right or wrong, if we ever get the opportunity to have a controversial guest on, we're never going to turn it down. Because in my opinion, what we want to do with the full-time podcast on is we're not afraid to have controversial people on. We're going to ask them questions. Sure, we're probably not the best at asking questions. We're not the best journalists, never claimed to be. So we might not be the best at pressing them.

56:31But in my opinion, it's it's up to the viewer to form their own educated opinion. Just because we have someone on and we're sitting beside someone, people are going to be like, oh, my God, milk's with them. Like, I love this person. My question is, do you feel like there is a culpability that you have? Because like, look, Donald Trump is a contentious figure. And obviously he's responsible for a metric ton of pain and violence as well. But so is every other American president. That's one thing. but Benjamin Ninjahu is like unique in the sense that he's also a foreign leader because he's getting something out of this right he's getting something out of this where he gets to I guess like try and humanize himself that's the thing that's honest we'll have anyone on like next episode we're gonna have someone on with the complete opposite ideology we're talking to a few different people and we want to choose the right person to kind of represent you know the opposite side okay but Benjamin Ninjahu isn't just like a podcaster you know what I mean like he's literally the prime minister that is a war criminal by the international criminal court he's like literally branded as a war criminal i think i think if you watch it though too i think yes i mean i think being signing could have pressed them a little bit harder but we did ask him what is your response to when people say you're starving children in gaza do you think october 7th could have been prevented are you trying to implement regime change in iran we definitely did ask him some questions that i think people wanted to know okay what did he what did he say?

57:52I mean, of course, he said he's over starving children in Gaza. He said that they bring the food in and Hamas steals it and then sells it. That's a lie. No human rights organization that works on the ground from the UN to the World Food Program has ever agreed to the Israeli position that this is all Hamas stealing aid or whatever. See, and that that really is what gets to it is like, you know, just tossing things out without being prepared on the facts of it is actually worse because it means that you just get their response. And, you know, he gets, Hassan, I actually think, put it quite well.

58:25Trump, I get it. It's one thing. But, baby, in the prosecution of a war, it really is another. When the stakes are so high for millions of people and people are dying as a direct result every single minute of every hour of every day that this continues, the death toll goes exponential. That's another level, right? And I just come, I said this in our original thing. I was like, look, he doesn't sit with his own goddamn journalists in his country for a reason, because they would ask him. He only agrees with the fucking Milk Boys and Brett Baier, who are all going to glaze him about Iran. They don't even ask him anything substantive.

59:09But to the Fox point, sit down with Trey Yinkst, my brother. Go sit down with Trey in your own damn country and see how that goes for you. It's not going to go well. Like for anybody, even who has a, quote, you know, neutral stance or whatever, who's prepared with information. And that's the part that just gets me so hard with this no thing. They say something else interesting there, which I think is very illustrative of their mindset. They're like, we'll have on any controversial figure. Like they see him as in the same lane as like Candace Owens or like, you know, Nick Fuentes or whatever. Yeah, like they see him in that same bucket.

59:44And I was watching R.M. Brown, who has a YouTube channel, he's a comedian, his take on this. And he was like, in their brains, there were two types of people, people who get clicks and people who don't get clicks. And Netanyahu, in their view, was like, oh, this is someone who it's like the ultimate example of content brain. Sure. And it's like, you know, I think I think either Adam Friedland or Hassan Piker said this to them, too. They're like, not everything is content. Like not everything is just about generating clicks and getting eyeballs and stoking some sort of controversy. So you're the center of attention.

1:00:15Like some things actually matter. This man is doing a genocide right now in real time with the support of our government. And you are not equipped at all. You acknowledge you are not equipped at all to actually know what's going on and be able to ask him intelligent questions or even more importantly, ask intelligent follow ups when he lies to your face as he did multiple times. And so I think that's what this comes down to is like this incredibly amoral view of the world where it's just about like who's going to get eyeballs to my channel. This will be hot, hot topic. This will get me attention.

1:00:49This will get eyeballs to my channel. Therefore, I'm going to do it. I'll sit down with any controversial figure. That's what they say. As if this is just, you know, some podcast or somebody like, you know, trying to sell some merch or sell a book or whatever. And not to say those things aren't consequential as well, but this is so different. This is on such a different scale. And so I hope that it's a cautionary tale because this did not go well for them. I mean, their own audience, their sub count has gone down somewhat. Their own audience completely revolted against them. I haven't seen anyone come out and say, I haven't even seen the Israeli like.

1:01:25No, they're humiliated. Like, oh, this was great. And you guys did a great job. They compared him to Adolf Hitler afterwards. In what world did that go well for you? Right, right. Whoa. Like in their post, in their post interview spin, they're like, yeah, you're, somebody wrote in and was like, yeah, you just interviewed modern day Adolf Hitler. And he's like, yeah, you kind of got a point there. So it's just, no one is defending this. Let this be a cautionary tale of like, if you're going to play in these waters, number one, you could bring someone in. You could have as a condition for the interview, I need to have whoever it is that you trust that you think is insightful on this to ask some real questions.

1:01:59You know, I'm going to have this person in the room. I'll do it, but we're going to have this person in the room too. Or just don't do it. That would have been infinitely superior to this absolute mess for yourselves and for the world. I think it was a good turning point, though, in the culture of the internet. I think it could be too. Let's put this final one up here. This is from Mike Sternevich. I actually thought it was very insightful. And what he says is the Nelk boys who are wildly popular with Zoomers, far more than any political or MAGA influencer, had on Netanyahu and their audience is furious.

1:02:28Netanyahu is deeply hated. We are talking 90-10 hated, more so than even I realize. He actually followed it up with, if you spend time on Twitter, you would think it's like 60-40. And he's like, no, guys, it's 90-10. And in fact, if you look at the like-dislike ratio on the video, I mean, look, to be fair, these can be brigaded and all that. It's like somewhat, you know, indicated. I dug deep into that comment section. I did not see a single positive comment, not one. 33 ,000 likes, upvotes, 168 ,000 down. I mean, that's insane. Now, again, you can be brigaded from outside and all of that, but it speaks to the point where there's not a single defense.

1:03:08In fact, every single person in their cohort either is ignoring it or condemning it, right? And that is really very, very indicative to me. I also think it's a bat signal broadly to everybody on this issue where, like you said, it's not just content. it's really not even I hesitate to say ditch neutrality but it's about confrontation and it's really about holding facts like holding people accountable for facts and really if you're going to agree to it to actually get into the nitty gritty and not allow some eliding lies and that really was like the biggest problem with all of it and this is what pisses me off too is because you and I have done many confrontational interviews Neither of us likes doing it.

1:03:58I hate doing it. It's not fun. You have to prepare a lot. It's uncomfortable. You know, there are some people out there who, like, enjoy the, are the, like, debate bro types. And they enjoy the vibe. Chris Matthews, peers, and all these people. I hate doing it. Yeah, I mean, I think Glenn loves to get in and mix it up. Like, there are people who are wired that way. Most people are not wired that way. I'm not wired that way. But when you have someone who's sitting in front of you who aspires to power, has some position of prominence, it is a responsibility that you have to be prepared and to be uncomfortable if that's what the interview requires.

1:04:31And so this idea that it's somehow like noble and good to do none of that and just let people spout off whatever they want, it actually pisses me off because it's a coward and a lazy way out. Yeah, it's not fun to have to do those things. I get it. but that is actually, if you want to play in these ponds, if you want to swim in these waters, that is actually what is required. And you don't have to be an asshole about it. It doesn't have to be personal, but you need to come equipped with facts and replies and think about, okay, here's what they're going to say and here's how I'm going to follow up.

1:05:03You have to game all of that out in advance and be willing to sit in that discomfort and just do it anyway. I agree. And that's why the NELC guys would be better off not doing it. And they would have been better off passing. And by the way, the fact that the Israelis would only agree to Nelk and not to anybody else, I mean, it tells you something, right? It really does. Honestly, I'm being serious. This will sound crazy to say. Even like a pro-Zionist political person might have actually done a better job because they are going to be equipped with some— or they're going to know what to tee him up on.

1:05:35And they're going to actually get him on the record for various things instead of generic stuff. Like, what's up with all these people starving in Gaza? Or what did he say? He's like, why does everybody hate you? That's a stupid fucking question. And he didn't even ask, like, why are people starving? He said, why do people say? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, exactly. And then Bibi could just, oh, well, they're lying. And we love the Palestinians. And we're trying to get them made. And Hamas is stealing. And it's just like. Some people use ChatGPT to answer questions. Others use it to get real work done.

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