7/24/25: Whistleblower Reveals Gaza Aid Site Massacre, Candace Owens Sued Over Macron Wife Attacks, Tulsi Says Obama Guilty Of Treason

26:31Lo and behold, it turns out sometimes siblings kind of resemble each other because they have the same parents. In reality, Brigitte Macron, they've released her birth certificate, pictures of her as a child, she has three children, et cetera, et cetera. But this has now, because this series was such a sensation, in some right-wing circles, has become almost like an article of faith. And so that's where this lawsuit ultimately comes from. And, you know, on the legal piece, Pisco, who we've had on before, he told me he was like digging into the legal aspect. I'm curious what his take will be because he's pretty good at parsing these things and calling balls and strikes as he sees them.

27:09The standard is very high. You have to either demonstrate like a reckless disregard for the truth, which I think is a standard they might be able to meet. It's very hard to prove. Or that she knew and, you know, intentionally lied. I can read from it. Yeah, go ahead. What's the standard? Section three of the, no, of the lawsuit. Oh, the lawsuit, okay. These claims are demonstrably false, and Owens knew they were false when she published them, yet she published them anyway. The reason is clear. It's not pursuit of truth, the pursuit of fame. Quote, after being fired from the Daily Wire, she used these demonstrably false claims to promote her independent podcast, and then they note the number of followers that she gained after following.

27:51Now, the reason they frame that specifically is because that is the legal standard. Now, from what I have read as well - And she did, by the way, she got a lot of paying sums off of this. Yeah, that's fair. She made a lot of money and got a lot of notoriety off of this thing. I will say, I mean, I think that's definitely true, but I wouldn't say that's the totality of what she's more recently known for, which is Israel. Oh, sure. A lot of her popularity. This was big. I agree, but this is part of where the financial things come. She's filthy rich already. She's married to a billionaire. So it's like, is it really monetary, perhaps, as they say, it is fame.

28:27The legal standard is very tough. The one thing going against Candace, actually, is people need to remember, she's a Delaware LLC, and this is some of the talk that I've seen online, is that this is going to be litigated in Delaware state court, specifically in terms of the way that it was filed against her, and that the standard there, a lot of people are pointing to remember the Elon situation in terms of the way that the state courts there can rule, are not as pro-business as they originally were, and the way that this all works out. And this is part of why I'm not a lawyer. I'm only relying on two.

28:58I've looked at actually two separate conservative lawyers, people who looked at this. That guy Will Chamberlain who we had on the show. He says he thinks that Candace is going down and is going to be owing a large sum of money. But he does hate her though. Yeah, he does. Over Israel. Yeah, I'm framing it. I think, yeah. He said that. Mike Cernovich, also was a lawyer, looked at it and he was like, you know, actually the legal standard here is a little bit different. The only reason she may go down is because she's in Delaware state court. if this was in California or elsewhere, you know, the legal standard is such that it would be very difficult.

29:27The thing is, though, is that the damages that they're claiming here are also really tough for somebody who's a first lady because they say that she's been inflicted. Let me find it. These lies have caused tremendous damage to the Macron's. Defendants have subjected them to a campaign of global humiliation, turning their lives into fodder for for-profit-driven lies. Owens has dissected their appearance, their marriage, their friends, their family, and their personal history, twisting a grotesque narrative to inflame and to degrade. The result is relentless bullying on a worldwide scale. I just think that's a very high bar.

29:58You know, in terms of, when we talk about public figure, there is nobody more public than the president and the first lady of another country. I mean, look, we can say here about Donald J. Trump, and everybody can. I think that's the way that it should be. So the ability to prove damages here, I think would be incredibly difficult, you know, which for the lawyers to be able to argue. Again, I'm not a lawyer, but having looked, and read a couple, and I specifically tried to seek out two conservatives or whatever who were talking about this. I think it's iffy in terms of the way that it comes out.

30:29In terms of the evidence, like you said, yeah, it seems to rely on this blog. By the way, I have not watched Becoming Brigitte. I don't particularly want to. It's not what I appreciate Candace for, which is her Israel commentary. But broadly, I mean, I don't know. I don't know what you think of this. I think it was a Streisand effect, personally. From Brigitte Macron, you're the fucking first lady of France. like you got bigger problems. You know, is this really something that strikes at the heart of like your personal, you know, narrative and all that? I mean, I can't. It just seems weird. I can't blame.

31:02If I had to guess. Develop some thick skin, lady. I don't know what to tell you. But if I had to guess, remember there was that whole thing that went viral of like her like slapping Emmanuel and whatever. It was weird. And I think that brought back up because when it, Becoming Brigitte, that was posted, I don't know, a year ago or something. Whatever. It's been a while back. But I think that brought all of this back up. And so they probably decided, because I'm sure they are aware of the Streisand effect and how this will draw more attention, what an extraordinary action is, or whatever. They probably got to the point where they're like, okay, well, this has gone beyond.

31:37This has become a widespread accepted phenomenon. And what other recourse do we have than to fight back and prove this in court? Now, she had sued these two individuals in France who originally surfaced these claims. And originally they sided, the courts in France, sided with her on her defamation suit in France. And then it was overturned on appeal basically because they found that like, oh, you know, we believe that this was done in good faith. And they didn't really know that they were lying and making things up. And they have a different standard too. About you. In France, they have a very, very different libel and defamation suit.

32:14Yeah, and I'm not an expert on that standard either. But this isn't the first lawsuit that she's launched surrounding these claims. I will also just say, like, there's this whole phenomenon, like putting Candace and Brigitte and how you feel about them and this whole particular situation. There's this whole, like, transvestigation phenomenon that I found disgusting. And I find it disgusting as a woman because it's just basically all about, like, policing whether or not you look womanly enough. Like you fit the societal expectations of what a woman is supposed to look like and vice versa for the men of like, are you manly enough?

32:52Is your jawline strong enough? What do you look like over the years? Let me like do this whole thing. And so I find it very damaging. I find it very damaging to men. I find it very damaging to women. and you know I think it's a truly disgusting thing to ultimately engage in because like let's say that Brigitte Macron is was born a man and is um is transgender like I don't give a fuck I don't care how is this relevant to my life to Candace's life to your life what like I don't care so that's the the other thing that I would say that I would say I hadn't thought about that I mean I honestly can't really relate to it or whatever but it makes sense I I wouldn't want necessarily be dissected Yeah, for somebody to pick you apart.

33:31Oh, you're not this, you're not that. You know, I mean, it's a disgusting thing to do and to engage in. I guess what part of me is, do you think what really gets her is all of this, A, like the circumstances of you guys getting together is sketchy? Because I was thinking about that too. That may be one of the more personal aspects, where, by the way, I think Candace is correct, in terms of their original relationship, where a school teacher and all of that. By the way, I went to the town where Macron is from in Amiens, and it's the talk of the town, let's just say that, in terms of the way that they all joke about it.

34:07They're like, oh, Macron is from. This is where he met his wife and all of this. So it's a joke in France, just so people know. I don't know. I mean, perhaps that's the gossip. Apparently, there was a report that Donald Trump called Candace, and he was like, you need to drop this whole Brigitte Macron. Yeah, she said that. She was like, if you drop this, what did he say? He's like, then I'll give you an interview. And he's like, I've met her, darling. She's a woman. I promise you 100%. So I'm assuming then that maybe the Macron's asked Trump to intervene on their behalf. I'm not so sure. That was her belief was that they had.

34:43Trump is going to call her for no reason? Yeah. And then the last piece we can put up here, D4, on the screen is her original like, I will stake my whole reputation. Well, she's done it now. So, you know. Yeah, you did it, girl. You put it out there. This episode is blowing up, she says. So I just want to say, after looking into this, I would stake my entire professional reputation on the fact that Brigitte Macron is, in fact, a man, any journalist or publication that is trying to dismiss this plausibility is immediately identifiable as establishment. I've never seen anything like this in my life.

35:15The implications here are terrifying. I do not intend to let up on the story. I'm calling on other journalists to look into this explosive story and report accordingly. So. All right, well. There you go. To Candace's point, I guess we'll find out in Discovery. But that's part of why I think it's humiliating for. Or she may, I mean, she may end up settling. She may. But I think that'll be, given how hard she's gone, it would be embarrassing for her. And how filthy rich she is, right? Like, you can burn money in a pile. Like, the main reason people settle is because they don't want to spend any money.

35:41but if you're that rich, what incentive do you have? I have no idea. This kind of gets to the point about Trump. It's like, Brigitte Macron, you really want to settle this by taking a fucking blood test and submitting it to Delaware Superior Court? That's humiliating to me. But I think she already feels humiliated. Maybe, I don't know. You know, I mean, what other recourse does she have at this point? At a certain point, you get to her, okay, you have to, you know, you can ignore it for so long, and then it's like, all right, I guess I have to fight back. I have no choice. We'll see. I'm wondering how this story's playing in France.

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38:41And for our purposes, he has done all of the reading into the new Obamagate scandal. And so what's there, what's there there? There's been a lot of claims from the Trump administration. Yesterday, the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, took to the White House podium and told our own Emily Jashinsky that she would pursue or refer criminal charges against former President Obama regarding this matter. Let's take a listen to that and then we will dig into it with you, Isaac. Do you believe that any of this new information implicates former President Obama in criminal behavior? We have referred and will continue to refer all of these documents to the Department of Justice and the FBI to investigate the criminal implications of this.

39:23For even former President Obama? Correct. The evidence that we have found and that we have released directly point to President Obama leading the manufacturing of this intelligence assessment. There are multiple pieces of evidence and intelligence that confirm that fact. Ed, go ahead. Director Gabbard, thank you. So just two questions, but to begin on that, the president yesterday, you've inferred that the former president helped lead a coup. Based on what you now see, do you believe President Obama is guilty of treason? I'm leaving the criminal charges to the Department of Justice. I am not an attorney, but as I've said previously, when you look at the intent behind creating a fake manufactured intelligence document that directly contradicts multiple assessments that were created by the intelligence community, the expressed intent and what followed afterward can only be described as a years long coup and a treasonous conspiracy against the American people, our republic, and an attempt to undermine President Trump's administration.

40:31All right, Isaac. So let's go and put this graphic up on the screen. It was released here by Tulsi Gabbard and the Trump administration. And this is what they've put together. Now, given all the reading, start from the beginning. Tell us what's going on here? What's the core allegation? Yeah. So, I mean, the core allegation is basically that there was this House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence report, which was done, you know, 2017 and edited up until 2020 that kind of analyzed an intelligence community assessment that was released by the Obama administration in January of 2017. And we did not have access to the HPSCI for a long time.

41:10It kind of got buried. And what Tulsi Gabbard, the DNI released this week, yesterday, was basically the goods on that report, what it found. And to be clear, I think a lot of what was in the report was previously known information. It is things like the Obama administration, you know, CIA officials relied on pretty shoddy intelligence that was, you know, manufactured, I think is a pretty strong word, but at least was ginned up to make it look like Trump was very much in the pocket of Russia. The way the intelligence was released and leaked to news organizations sort of created this circular ecosystem where news reports were feeding the intelligence community.

41:55The intelligence community was feeding the news reports. They were applying for FISA warrants using news reports. And, you know, they used all this to surveil a person who ended up becoming the United States president. This is a really big deal. I don't want to downplay the fact that what happened in 2016, 2017 was not a big deal. I think it was. That being said, the same report that Tulsi Gabbard's citing here, I mean, literally, if you go read the report that she released yesterday, on the very first page of the report, it says things like, most of the ICA judgments on Russia's activities in the U.S.

42:30election employed proper analytic tradecraft and were consistent with observed Russian behavior. It says that the key judgments found to be credible include that Putin ordered conventional and cyber influence operations. I mean, I'm reading directly from the report, notably by leaking politically sensitive emails obtained from computer intrusions, which was the DNC hack. So, you know, Putin's principal motivations in these operations were to undermine faith in the U.S. democratic process and to weaken what the Russians considered to be an inevitable Clinton presidency. So it requires people holding two things in their mind at once, which I think is, one, that the investigation into the Trump campaign was basically built upon really shoddy intelligence and that what the intelligence community was telling us and telling the Obama officials and what Obama was sort of projecting to the world in 2016 and 2017 was kind of overwrought based on what they had at the time.

43:23It was an exaggeration. This report specifically, the most damning thing in this report is that the idea that Putin had a clear preference for Trump, according to the HPSCI report, was based on scant, unclear and unverifiable fragment of one sentence from a human source that five CIA authors read five different ways and was initially left out. But Brennan asked them to put it back in this ICA, this initial report, which blew the top off the whole thing and generated all the news coverage. That's right. I covered it at the time, the 2000, you know, the ODNI report, et cetera. But that's that's the core revelation here.

44:00Is that what you're saying? I would say that is the to me, the biggest thing that pops off the page is that this idea that they knew then in January of 2017 that Putin had a clear preference for Trump was based on really, really, really shoddy intelligence. And the reports kind of list the four or five different sources, which include things like this sort of this sentence that they heard that everybody interpreted differently. The Steele dossier was included in it. There was sort of like reports from 2014, well before the campaign even started. Diplomatic and media reports is is what was quoted.

44:33So it seems like that is, to me, the biggest thing that's sort of damning evidence that that initial ICA was built on really insufficient intelligence. What happened later was that many investigations that that ICA launched did kind of verify that Putin preferred Trump and that they did hack the DNC. You know, if you believe the WikiLeaks Russia story, which I think our government and intelligence community does, you know, so they use sort of shoddy intelligence to get the investigation going. The investigation sort of concluded some of the priors that the Obama administration had. It's a weird – you have to hold some complicated things at the same time.

45:14Yeah. And what about the direct connect to Obama here? Like, I mean, I don't think any of us believes that criminal charges are going to be filed against Obama even if they were. The Supreme Court has said basically, hey, you can do whatever you want when you're president. There's no reason. Not really anything anyone can do about it. So what are they using to try to even make the case that there should be criminal charges against Obama? So earlier in the week, a couple of days before this, a different report and a different trove of files was released by Gabbard. And in that report, there was, you know, the sort of bombshell, if there was one there, was that there was a presidential daily briefing which was about to be published that was assessing that Russia did not have the capability or the intention to hack our election infrastructure.

46:01And the FBI pulled that report, pulled the presidential daily briefing right before it was about to be published. And then Obama sort of ordered all his intelligence officials together. And then, you know, weeks later, they produced this ICA, this assessment that I was just talking about. And that the sort of fundamentals of what that assessment would end up being leaked to the press immediately before it was published, before it was released. And the core allegation is basically that Obama brought together these intelligence officials hell bent on, you know, advancing a specific narrative that he didn't really have the goods for.

46:40The problem with that is that, you know, Obama and the Obama administration, weeks before any of this had happened, they had already applied for the visa warrant for Carter Page. And in applying for that visa warrant, they had stated their case to the court, which was that they thought Russia hacked the DNC and they believed they were going to strategically release those emails to damage Clinton. So the Obama theory was not like invented after the presidential daily briefing was squashed. You know, they they they had already believed this for weeks. We know that because they went to the FISA court and made their case to the FISA court.

47:17So, yeah, I don't think Obama is going to be tried for treason. I mean, this is the frustrating part is that Gabbard gets out over his skis and has to kind of say this ridiculous stuff. And we all know why he's going to jail him. They're trying to they're trying to distract from Epstein and Tulsi's trying to get back in his good graces after the whole, like, you know, Iran situation and her coming out and being like, oh, Iran is not actually pursuing a nuclear weapon. So, I mean, that is what hangs over all of this and why this quote unquote disclosure is happening now. And Isaac, I mean, I know that the DOJ has announced a quote strike force around this, but, you know, my friend Christian Daytok, who was in the briefing room, asked a great question.

47:54He said, you know, statute of limitations for conspiracy is five years. So you've only got one charge at this point that you're looking at. I mean, even with, you know, RICO, conspiracy, fraud, I mean, wire fraud, which is apparently all the things that they usually look at, these so-called strike force teams, they have a very limited, you know, number of crimes that they can go into. And as you noted, treason basically is the only one that could even be pursued here against the former president. So like go into what that would actually mean at a practical level for trying to charge that in a criminal court of law.

48:30Yeah, I don't look again. I don't think that there is I mean, it is it's a fantasy. I think it's, you know, the Andrew McCarthy, who wrote an entire book making the case that Trump's presidency, his first term was basically destroyed by a ginned up conspiracy that, you colluded with Russia. I mean, a very sort of pro-Trump narrative. He's been covering these latest releases. And I think doing a really admirable job at National Review, writing honest pieces, like none of this information is new. John Durham did the most thorough investigation of the Mueller probe and the investigation into Trump.

49:08And he didn't charge anybody even close to Obama's orbit after that time period. I mean, there were some, you know, there's the FBI official who kind of edited the email and there are real crimes there that got charged. But the idea that Obama, I mean, you know, as McCarthy put it, it's not a crime, unfortunately, to kind of gin up a political smear using vaguely worded, you know, intelligence assessments. There is no crime there that they can actually charge him or it's certainly not treason. And as you just pointed out there, the maybe more reasonable idea that they would go after a former president for like conspiracy is something that has passed the statute of implementations, which is something that Andrew McCarthy mentioned too in his reporting.

49:49So I honestly don't have the imagination to tell you what a treason charge against Obama would actually look like. This is what is important here. Look, there are three people here, I think, Isaac, I can't speak for you, who did a lot of stuff on Russiagate and about how it was BS and about the way that it was used, how politically disastrous it was. By the way, I think it has major foreign policy implications and all of that, et cetera. We are still here eight years later now at this point, which is part of why there's almost a deja vu aspect of which Tulsi was asked. It was like, hey, listen, wasn't the time to do all of this in the first Trump administration?

50:25Right? And she was like, oh, well, there are people working for him at the time. But that's part of where when we bring the politics into this, it just seems a little bit convenient to be having this full-scale rollout at a time of all this uproar and concern over the Epstein files when, look, the information released, the historical record is now clear. It was BS from day one. Okay, that's great. And I guess it is a scandal, et cetera. But the context in which it all is happening just seems like it undermines the maximal extent for what they're trying to go for. Is that your read of it? Yeah.

51:00Yeah, I mean, what I would add, and this is something that I've said a lot in my writing, is just the Trump administration and the Trump campaign didn't help themselves at the time. You know, they were Trump was asking WikiLeaks to drop more emails. Rush out there if you're listening. Donald Trump Jr. was taking the meetings with the lawyer promising dirt on Clinton. I mean, there was stuff there that I think justified skepticism and concern about them. But we have had we've turned over basically every rock. And the collusion theory has obviously crumbled. And it is very clear that the Obama administration and intelligence officials from that time period were feeding the media stories to make it look as bad as possible.

51:39And they were preventing us from hearing things that probably would have calmed the air a little bit, that would have calmed tensions a little bit. So I get the anger and the fury from the Trump camp. I just think what's happening now, as you guys have pointed out, is very obviously designed to be a distraction. I mean, the self-interest from Tulsi Gabbard is obvious given where it seems like she stands in the administration. And the Epstein file stuff is consuming the base and dividing Trump's most loyal supporters. So sort of trotting out this eight-year-old story that puts the focus on Obama and Obama officials.

52:14I mean, it's smart. We're sitting here talking about it. It's working and they're getting a lot of attention for it. And I think it's an effective thing to do. I think we as journalists have to look at it honestly and explain exactly what's going on. But yeah, that's basically my best read of the situation, I think. Yeah. I mean, I also think Hillary Clinton sort of escaped scrutiny in some ways in this too because, yes, Obama administration, they were in place and their officials and like, you know, the official actions are being taken there. The reason this took off so much with the liberal base is because Hillary Clinton wanted an excuse for why she lost to this guy.

52:46And that's where, you know, this was intentionally like planned after she lost of, OK, how are we going to escape culpability? And that's, you know, that was very successful. And so for me, Isaac, it's very ironic to see the way Russiagate usually originally used by Democrats to cover for their failures and now being used by this Republican administration to basically cover for Trump's failures. So it truly is the story that never dies. Yeah, it's a good observation. I mean, if you go back and watch the Clinton campaign and look back at their old tweets from this time and even what Hillary was doing on the campaign and, you know, on the debate stage, I mean, he's a Putin puppet.

53:28All their tweets, all their social media was about tying Trump. And we know now we have contemporaneous documents in their internal communications where we know the Clinton campaign was strategically trying to tie Trump to Putin. I mean, they were involved in this. And to believe that the Clinton campaign didn't have contact with Obama officials or people in the intelligence community, I mean, of course they did. So we know that that was part of their strategy to win the election that obviously backfired. And, yeah, it's a good point. I mean, we sort of memory hole that part of it too. Actually, that's my last question here.

53:59I know there was – so she talked a lot about Hillary and some of this info that they sat on with Hillary. This just goes to my old coverage at the time. Is there what was she talking about, about they were sitting on information that she was on tranquilizers and that her health was compromised? Can you go into any of that? Yeah, I mean, this was I would you know, this wouldn't be like the main headline. Like I said, I think the biggest story from this drop was that the assessment that Putin favored Trump was based on really bad intelligence. But they did. One of the allegations that is made in this report is that the Russians had much more damning information on Hillary Clinton, that she was going through these like violent mood swings and she was taking tranquilizers.

54:42And she was basically in some like manic state and was not emotionally prepared to sit in the White House, basically. And part of what they found or what they're saying they found is that Russia had this information and they sat on it. They didn't release it to the public. And that sort of raises questions about, you know, what their real preference was. And the idea was basically that Russia thought it was a foregone conclusion Hillary Clinton was going to win and they wanted to push some stuff out to sort of weaken her presidency. But they also didn't want to go too far that maybe they blew up the entire relationship.

55:18And then, you know, Trump won and shocked the world and that changed everything. But, yeah, it is. I mean, there's some juicy stuff in there, certainly, if you're in the kind of salacious things. But again, I don't really know. It's hard to know how legitimate any of that information is either and what kind of stuff like that is just sort of the classic Russian compromise or whatever. Yeah, exactly. Nobody knows if it's real. The equivalent of the pee tape or whatever. Yeah, that's right. I will say. I will never forget that day when she collapsed on 9-11. That was like the craziest thing for those of us who are involved in right-wing media.

55:52But Isaac, thank you for joining us, man. You did such a great job breaking all this down. Tangle. We will put a link down in the description, and we recommend people go ahead and subscribe. So thanks for joining us, man. We appreciate you. Thanks so much for having me, guys. I appreciate it. Thank you guys so much for watching. We appreciate you. We didn't unfortunately have the time to get to the home segment. We want to get the show somewhat on time out, so maybe we'll kick it to the Friday show discussed then. But thank you all so much for watching. We appreciate you and we'll see you later.

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