7/25/2025: BREAKING: Ghislaine Meets DOJ For Potential Epstein PARDON as Gaza STARVES

23:59Saagar Enjeti:republican logo they're cooking they're starting to get some juice they're starting to get some as the kids say motion it's all about it's all about epstein here's the one right after that You do the math on Ghislaine Maxwell, they say. Then the Pedophile Protection Party set down Congress because they know Trump's in the Epstein files. They keep rocking the Summer Lee clip. Here's another one. I'm sorry. I'm sorry I missed this. Why is this? Another Ken Martin post on Epstein. Another Summer Lee post on Epstein. Another Epstein post. They have literally been posting almost entirely about Epstein.

24:31Granted, this is just on X. And I think, Griffin, that you are right, that there is this among the sort of it's a problem for Democrats, actually, that the commentary, the commentary at the chattering class is actually so liberal in a sense, like it bites them in the ass every now and then because they think they are too good. I agree with you. They're better than this story.

24:55Saagar Enjeti:Right. They've minimized and downplayed it. And they would look at those Dem meme posts and be like, that's kind of icky. These read like MAGA Twitter. And that's actually – that tells me that whoever over there is over there doing this for the DNC on the digital beat is actually doing a great job right now. because that's how you like get back into the demo that you're going for. Now, it doesn't mean that it's not cynical. It doesn't mean that it's a matter of great principle. But I think you're right. They sense blood in the water. That's interesting. Yeah, of course. Yes, absolutely. And I think you're right, though, that they feel as though the sort of chattering class has spent so much time downplaying the story as the QAnon fever swamp that it's very difficult for them to now reckon with the potential ramifications because they're on the record over and over again.

25:53And even like on the cocktail party circuit with their friends being like, nothing, nothing to see.

25:58Saagar Enjeti:Yeah. I mean, this is not comet pizza. Okay. Like this is something far more substantial than that, but I think it all gets lumped together in like the same attitudes or whatever. But I mean, listen, Trump has lost the QAnon shaman. This whole Pizzagate QAnon coalition is breaking. Maybe they're too good for their votes. I guess Ezra Klein maybe needs to get on the Democrat Twitter account beat because I think that, yeah, Yeah, Summer Lee, some Democrat congressmen, like, but they don't have that presence, that internet presence to really like, yeah, the Democrat Twitter account, if you're following it, you're already like very locked in.

26:43Saagar Enjeti:But I think like they need real vocal, like on camera leadership stuff, like grilling about this constantly, if they're going to like own the subject and not kind of be bystanders to the event. But anyways, good for the Democrats, Twitter account. And let's just while we're on the New York Times article, I do want to kind of dissect the sourcing and some of the information that they're revealing here, the picture that they're painting, because this is the most, I think, complete. This is the most complete picture of what's been happening at the DOJ and the FBI over the course of the Trump administration related to Epstein that we've seen so far.

27:23So the Times reports that over the spring, FBI, DOJ made, quote, an all out push involving hundreds of employees to scour the Epstein files with a single goal in mind. Find something, anything that could be released to the public to satisfy the mounting clamor from the angry legions of President Trump's supporters. So what we get from that is actually the New York Times reporting that there is this, quote, all out effort with hundreds of employees scouring the Epstein files. Now, they imply that it's being directed very cynically, and I think this is important because that likely goes back to Pam Bondi as the attorney general, saying that all you have to do is find something that will satisfy the public.

28:08Now, the Times continues. After devoting countless hours to the project, working at times around the clock, searching databases, hard drives, network drives, cabinets, desks, and closets, the Bureau and the department finally acknowledged this month that they had little to show for their efforts. And then, Griffin, you noted they came to realize that there was no client list. But also, let's keep going here. They say this captive frenetic scrambled to sort more than 100 ,000 pages of materials. 100 ,000 pages of materials. We now know because of this New York Times report that the Justice Department has more than 100 ,000 pages of materials related to Jeffrey Epstein and that they, according to the Times, diverted hundreds of FBI employees and federal prosecutors from their regular duties to go through the documents at least four times.

29:01And they say including wants to flag any references to Mr. Trump and other prominent figures. And just finally, I want to point out that the Times is sourcing. This is interesting with the Wall Street Journal sourcing that we were just discussing. They say details of the review were based on accounts by three former FBI and Justice Department officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of fears of retaliation. So, Griffin, this is really important because it tells us at this point that where some of these leaks may be coming from to the Journal and the Times, people who were at the DOJ, at the FBI, during the Trump administration, and who are no longer there.

29:38You can think about people like, for example, what was her name? Danielle Sassoon, who is now taking a job with the Manhattan Institute. She sort of quit in protest over whether or not the administration was following court orders early on. I have no idea if she's involved in this, but you can think about a person like that who would have knowledge of what was happening may be getting it second hand though. I mean, that's another thing is if they left, how much do they know about the inside? We can't make conclusions about the sourcing other than that. It sounds likely it's disgruntled people who have left during the Trump administration.

30:17Right.

30:18Saagar Enjeti:That doesn't, to me, Like 100 ,000 documents, 100 ,000. Like that is that is the volume alone is incredibly incriminating, not just on Epstein, but on the Department of Justice, who's had these for how long, like in multiple administrations at this point that like, you know, yeah, obviously we can poke a lot of fun at what's going on with the Trump administration. But just the idea that they've had like what must be terabytes of documents that just like were just collecting dust until someone wanted to talk about it again or there was enough pressure. Like, I think just the the volume itself is so is such an indictment of, I think, both parties that none of this stuff had been released in any in any kind of redacted form.

31:01Saagar Enjeti:And there just seemed to be, oh, I guess no one really cares about this. Kind of like like Trump said, kind of boring, kind of boring stuff, I guess. Kind of boring. But, you know, we do have more material news. But did you have anything more than the New York Times? I just wanted to add quickly that it's worth noting because we're hearing now from people that there's all these 100 ,000 pages, you know, only it's like a needle in a haystack. Like maybe one line in one of those 100 ,000 pages is your smoking gun or is worth, you know, disclosing to the public. But that's not how we should be doing this.

31:36Like when you get JFK files, for example, as they have been shamefully dripped out over the years. Yeah, you get a lot of boring documents. That's good because the boring documents are coming out showing that you're just sort of getting it all out to the public. And so, no, it's not good if you're only putting out the boring documents intentionally to keep running out the clock. But nobody is saying, please refrain from releasing boring documents, because sometimes even those boring documents, members of the public are able to compare with the public record, are able to read something deeper into that.

32:14the government, you know, it's like put the boring documents out. We would all love to see the boring documents so long as, of course, they're not re-traumatizing victims. And if they are mentioning different people, you do have to be careful that they're not obviously incriminating people whose names randomly pop up because someone, you know, made a mistake or whatever. Like nobody, nobody's interested in a wild goose chase. Like people just want justice. They want to understand why Donald Trump and Bill Clinton were in a birthday album in 2003 for Jeffrey Epstein. And fortunately, people have or unfortunately for them, people have filled in the blanks for years and not unreasonably so with some really disgusting theories.

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35:07Saagar Enjeti:There's more document news here outside of the hundred thousand documents. Apparently, Lady Ghislaine has a box of material of her own. She was just met with Trump's deputy attorney general. And we've got a little video right here that I'll share. Yeah, her. This is video of Maxwell returning to prison just moments after meeting with Trump's deputy attorney general. And you can see her there. Actually, if you look closely, she's carrying a box of material. Maxwell's attorney says she was forthcoming with every question that Trump's team threw at her today. Okay. So, yeah, deputy attorney general Todd Blanche was announced by Pam Bondi yesterday, and he confirmed this himself, that he was going to meet with Ghislaine Maxwell in federal prison.

35:59And Blanche did meet with Ghislaine Maxwell, indicated after that meeting that they are going to meet again today, I believe. And Erin Burnett rightfully pointed out there on CNN, Ghislaine Maxwell was coming back from that meeting ostensibly with a giant box. You could see her actually in the second clip that CNN rolled, sort of struggling with the weight of the box um that that's quite interesting uh that's quite

36:27Saagar Enjeti:interesting is she keeping that in her cell like is she like using as like a like a like a prop up for her pillow like i what is what is the what does she get to have that in her cell like can we can someone visit her and see the box like what what is i wasn't aware that like you could just have classified materials in your in your prison cell well they may not be classified they may just be personal affects. But that's very odd also to me that you would have personal affects. What it could be is that, so Ghislaine Maxwell's attorney also obviously has been involved in this whole process. This is from A.G.

37:02Blanche who does say on the screen you see, I met with Ghislaine Maxwell and I will continue my interview of her tomorrow. The DOJ will share additional information about what we've learned at the appropriate time. So that means they could be meeting literally as we speak here, Griffin. But what the box could have been supplied to Maxwell by her attorney to whom she has given some of these materials. And I think we have here, yes, we have here a statement from Ghislaine Maxwell's attorney, whose name is Dave Marcus, on all of this. Let me put that up on the screen. David Oscar Marcus, he says, looking forward to another productive day tomorrow.

37:38Ghislaine honestly answered every question that Deputy AG Blanche asked, and she will continue to do so. We are grateful that the government is trying to uncover the truth. They have never before spoken with her. And we trust the process.

37:51Saagar Enjeti:Trust the process. Trust the plan. Yeah. Now, this is getting interesting because, well, first of all, the point that the government has never done this. I mean, if if that's the good that comes out of this Trump administration circus, then I guess if we end up getting more information out of this Trump administration circus because they fumbled the bag, looked ridiculous because Trump told them not to put anything out, then I mean, good, I guess. But where this is going is let's take a listen here. Charlie Kirk. They are in discussions with the federal government about holding discussions. Maxwell is currently sentenced to 20 years in federal prison for sex trafficking, but is pursuing a claim that her trial was unfair.

38:39Since she is still contesting her own case, that may impact what she is ready to tell prosecutors. But maybe some kind of a deal could be reached for information. We will see. Okay, so that's Charlie Kirk saying maybe a deal could be made. And here we also have Griffin, Representative Tim Burchett, who has said all kinds. He's sort of known for saying wacky stuff. He's a yapper. He's a yapper. He sure is. And I saw him walking around the house last week with a skateboard, which he makes his own skateboards. I don't even know.

39:17Saagar Enjeti:We need a Tim Pool, Tim Burchett combo. Oh, they probably already worked on it. Yeah. So, yeah, he's been on this story, but also said, you know, things like I also hang out with dirtbags like people hang out with dirtbags like me. I think that's another thing he said yesterday, but he said about there's a difference between dirtbags and pedophiles. I'll say, you know, we're all allowed to have a dirtbag friend, maybe not a pedophile friend. Well, it's like a square. What is it? A rhombus is always a square, but a square is never a rhombus. So a pedophile is a dirtbag. Right. So here's Birchit.

39:51At least they don't trust her. She's a liar. No, she is a liar. And she's a dirtbag. So then why subpoena her if you can't trust her? Well, because the one thing we got holding over her head is if we find out she lies, she goes back to her original sentence. And that's looking at lifetime. And if she's looking at maybe parlaying this into reducing her sentence, then we could have some leverage there. Okay. So Griffin, yeah, there's, you know, all of that sounds in theory fine, because that's the normal process here. That's how oftentimes you get bombshell type information that helps you better understand and pursue justice in the case of Epstein, for example, Epstein himself, for example, and the victims.

40:34But combined with the details about Donald Trump's friendship with Jeffrey Epstein, combined with Donald Trump's DOJ's history of obfuscating just in the course of six months on Epstein, the possibility that you end up with some type of deal struck to exonerate Trump while getting information on Bill Clinton. for example yes um that is a different story so the idea of striking a deal with galene maxwell um now for her victims uh and i've seen epstein's victims probably sounds absolutely disgusting on its face um and we don't know exactly what a deal would look like what kind of deal it would be um you know does she still spend life in prison what does it look like i don't know um but the idea that politically the republicans could like just pardon maxwell and uh get away with the they can't i mean i that would take another level of of idiocy um because people who are power hungry typically aren't quite that dumb but we'll see and and also she was correct me if i'm wrong

41:54Saagar Enjeti:already criminally charged that's the reason that she's like currently in jail so like you are essentially freeing someone who was criminally charged for sex trafficking, for taking minors across state lines or traveling them for the purposes of sex trafficking. So yeah, it would seem like a little absurd to be like, well, Trump's not Trump's not in it. And we're freeing just like maybe like they're talking about a reduced sentence. But I mean, think about it from like just lane's perspective, like essentially your option is like to tell a certain truth to get a limited reduced sentence or to be freed that doesn't implicate Trump or any of the Trump DOJ handling or any of that, or you tell a truth that implicates Trump and what, so they're going to make, oh, you were extra honest.

42:46Saagar Enjeti:So we're still going to free you or reduce your sentence. No, like, of course that's not going to happen. So it doesn't seem like, it seems like no matter what comes from these just laying testimonies or interviews or questions that it needs to all be very, very heavily scrutinized and that we're probably only seeing a small peek through the curtain, even if some of the stuff that she says does turn out to be true. It's probably going to be very partisanly directed in one direction. And listen, like, I think taking anybody down, Democrat, Republican, independent or, you know, not nonpolitical ace, you know, celebrities, you know, a listers like I'm OK with basically anyone going down is an improvement.

43:32Saagar Enjeti:But, yeah, it's like it really does seem like this is kind of starting to be crafted in a way to protect Trump. But it doesn't really seem like they've thought through the ending of that story because I don't think people that are upset about the handling right now are going to feel good about Giz Lane getting any kind of reduced sentence. I don't think there's any ending to that story that makes people happy. I'm so uncomfortable with the way you pronounce her name, Griffin. Sorry, Giz Lane. I think it's Ghislaine, but even if it is just Ghislaine, you are so emphatic about the first half of the word.

44:17Saagar Enjeti:I don't want to be psychoanalyzed on this podcast. I'm doing my best with all the names today. We should actually do an episode like the It's Always Sunny episode where they get analyzed by Carrie Kenny Silver as the therapist. I think it's called The Gang Gets Analyzed. We should do that with the Breaking Points crew. That can be in a paywalled second half of a Friday show for sure. Oh, it would have to be paywalled. Yeah. I do think, though, that the MAGA commentators, the people that are trying to take the smoke off of Trump, are flying very close to the sun with this one. We've got here from Newsmax describing Ghislaine as a victim.

44:59She's also been subpoenaed by the Oversight Committee. I think this is great. I do have a feeling that she has been. She just might be a victim. She just might be. There was a rush to judgment. There was a lot of chaos there for a while. All right. Granted, she hung out with Jeffrey Epstein. Granted, she procured the women. Granted, the women who have been victimized have said that it was Ghislaine Maxwell who was oftentimes either abusing them or procuring them for abuse. That aside, she may also be a victim. him.

45:38Saagar Enjeti:Yeah, the hangout was limited. So not only are they, you know, I think this is just a huge, huge fumble, because it's like, listen, if you're gonna be like questioning her and suggesting a reduced sentence, you got to still say that she's bad. Like, you can't be like, actually, this whole thing might be wrong. Like, maybe everybody's innocent. This was so rushed. So So, yeah, I do think that this stuff may actually come around to to potentially hurt them even more unless the only the only antidote is just a mass dump of documents. And, yeah, you can redact the hell out of them or whatever. But like that is the only cure to this, not like a rehabilitation of Maxwell.

46:25Ghislaine Maxwell. Well, if you start rehabilitating Ghislaine Maxwell, then, yeah, you lay the groundwork for potential. I'm not saying Greg Kelly is doing that, but if people in the MAGA world start getting nudged by the Department of Justice to rehabilitate Glenn Maxwell and saying, hey, hey, she was sort of railroaded on this, this and that. And you start seeing rhetoric like this, then, yeah, it's definitely a sign. I mean, Maxwell, if anything, was like got off kind of easy. so people can go revisit how she was prosecuted but the idea that she's a victim is like beyond far-fetched I don't even sort of want to do it justice now Griffin want to steel man that I don't even feel the need to at this point but I'm sure we will get all kinds of steel manning of that in the days to come before we get to well actually we might as well at this point get to the South Park dust up and Gen Z a little bit.

47:31Although I guess South Park is sort of millennial coded. I don't know. The Zoomers who are like Zoomer hipsters who watch South Park can correct me in the comments. I'm sure you will.

47:42Saagar Enjeti:Well, the Zoomers are watching it in like 32 sections on TikTok. Okay. So we're not respecting their viewing habits. Yeah, it's like Quibi never died. Quibi will always be with us. Whoa, you know what Quibi was. That's a very deep cut. Oh, I was on Quibi screeners. I was watching. Whoa. Yeah, I used to be a culture writer, Griffin, lest you forget. But yeah, lots of, well, basically I used the Quibi screeners just to watch the Reno 911 screeners and called it a day. Oh, okay. All right. All right. You're innocent, actually. You're a victim. You're a victim. Just like Maxwell. Thank you. Thank you for acknowledging that, finally.

48:27But yeah, South Park. Well, actually, let's just put a bow on the Trump segment. This is both – it's given them a lot to work with, and it's given them – so they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. And I just want to say that's kind of an obvious point, but because of the nature of the Epstein case, I think this is worth noting. It gives them a huge advantage and a huge disadvantage. The huge advantage is that this is sprawling. This case sprawls across industries, across decades and across different crimes that have potentially been committed. So what that means is like the Kennedy file, and I think that's where this is heading, the Trump administration and any other administration can come in and run out the clock and keep pulling at threads here, threads there and say, we're waiting, we're waiting, we're waiting.

49:12okay, we got what we wanted. It wasn't enough here. So we're going to go over here. We're going to go look at those treasury department records. Okay. Well, we're going to go talk to Maxwell in prison. And then you don't hear from it. You don't hear much from it for a few months. And then by the time the administration is over, they've sort of gone through the motions of pulling on these threads and we have gotten drips and drabs. And I think that's probably what will happen. We will get drips and drabs and people who wanted drips and drabs or wanted more information will say by the end of the Trump administration, they gave us something.

49:45But of course, by giving you something, they've probably often hidden other things. We're learning this right now with the John Edis file in the Kennedy case, that you can disclose all kinds of things and use those disclosures as good as the disclosure is as a way to obfuscate. And so I think that's where we're heading. I think it's an advantage for the Trump administration that the case is so sprawling and for any political party, Democrats as well, given the Clinton affiliations that they are not conveniently ignoring. But this is going to be an advantage for the political class to just run out the clock on the case until basically everybody is dead, which is what's happening, exactly what's happening with the Kennedy case.

50:24So I think that's where this is.

50:26Saagar Enjeti:Interesting. Well, and then my final bow is this statement from Trump, who, you know, is feeling still very stressed about all this, how Trump sees it. Trump has ruminated about the Epstein fallout for weeks. They're going to accuse me of some funny business, he said recently in the Oval Office, according to a Republican close to the White House, who personally heard the president make those comments. Trump again maintained his distance from Epstein's criminal behavior, but lamented, they're going to fuck me anyways. So we'll see. We'll see who's getting fucked by the end of this thing. Could be quite a quite a few people.

51:02Saagar Enjeti:But did we want to move on The answer is the public. The answer is the public. Yes. Let's move on to South Park and South Park's war with the Trump administration. Now, we should be clear at the top of this. Griffin and I are going to play some of the full video in the paywild section. So breakingpoints.com, if you want to see that and get the second half of these Friday shows, we're going to roll the clip there. But for copyright reasons, obviously, but there are some poll numbers that we're going to talk about along with the Trump administration's war on South Park. So Griffin, set this up for us and then we'll talk a little bit about what's happening.

51:39Like this was happening in the White House while I was in the briefing room yesterday. And the scuttlebutt was like it was it was one of those like everybody was like, oh, they just put out a statement on South Park. So set us up for us. Yeah.

51:51Saagar Enjeti:So, I mean, this is amidst of a$1.5 billion deal from Paramount to own all of the South Park catalog and all of the future episodes coming out, which is a massive media deal. And Trey and Matt have done what is honestly the most honorable thing to do as a comic, which is to spit in the face of the money men and, you know, kind of stick their nose at kind of everyone by immediately taking that money. And I actually don't know if that deal is even fully finished being inked yet, but taking that deal and immediately going and essentially going, I was what I'm calling dark woke against Trump. We're going to we're going to play.

52:41Saagar Enjeti:I'm going to just I'm going to share that video and I'll describe it for the audio listeners here. What we're looking at Midas Touch ended up sharing some of the copyrighted version of this here. I won't play the audio, but this is, I think, the scene that upset people the most. If you're seeing this on screen right now, you've seen this, Emily. Yep. So this is a video that ended the South Park episode of Trump walking through the desert, taking off all of his clothes, getting naked. And then I'm not going to you know, I'm not going to show this last part for the YouTube sensors, but, uh, revealing his micro penis and then his micro penis, um, speaks and that's the end of the episode.

53:27Saagar Enjeti:Um, it's wow. It reminds me, you know, it really reminded me of like early resistance in 2016, uh, around Trump and this, like, you know, this, this, uh, the micro penis thing was huge in 2016. I remember in LA, there was this coffee shop that installed a naked Trump statue that showed, and it was actually a big flare up. And they actually ended up taking the statue down and apologizing because back then it was normal woke. And they're like, actually, this is body shaming. This is wrong. We don't like him, but it's wrong to be a body shamer. But now in this Trump II era, now we're in dark woke.

54:12Saagar Enjeti:Now body shaming is back in a big way. And we're allowed to be as cruel and as rude and as disgusting as the other side because they deserve it. It will be really interesting if the death of cancel culture makes Dems attack on Trump more potent. Because cancel culture is over, Dems actually get their mojo in attacking Trump because they don't have to worry about body shaming Donald Trump. Like if it actually empowers the attacks on Trump. But that's actually a thing, by the way, not that South Park was compliant with quote unquote wokeness. But there was just like a total chill of obviously comedy on the left for the first Trump administration.

55:04That's when all of this was building. So it may be the case, actually, that this is a these attacks on Trump are going to be a lot better. honestly i kind of i'm not a south park fan that probably won't surprise anybody but i kind of expected better from the clips that i've seen um like am i right like i don't know i feel like there's more the diaper done micro penis stuff is so it feels like um it feels like so

55:33Saagar Enjeti:it doesn't have substance it feels like it's yeah i've been like yeah well there there's a few things about it and kind of put a pin in that because I do have a little bit more to to say about like the I guess the the type of comedy they're doing with it but there was a lot of this did feel like a big moment for the show because they'd refused to mention Trump before this uh they had set up a different character as a Trump stand-in this like teacher at the school who like painted his face orange and he was kind of the Trump stand-in because they feel like they didn't want to just be like ripping on Trump every week.

56:08Saagar Enjeti:They felt like it might be tired territory because that's what the rest of the media was doing. But it seems like now they were just like, you know what, fuck it. If he's going to be around for another four years, you know, we might as well do it. And they represented Trump in the show in sort of a very sort of full circle way as what they used to do for Saddam Hussein. Right. So we're just going to play it with no audio here. But for people who just listening, they're doing a full animated realization of like Trump's face. But they're doing it in the style that they used to do Saddam Hussein.

56:45Saagar Enjeti:And in the episode, they are like, oh, you know, the biggest, I think, substantial critique the episode makes about Trump at all is that Trump is acting like a Middle East dictator is essentially what they say. Yeah, that's not a bad. I mean, that's actually more novel. Like, right. He's he's he's like redecorating the Oval Office to look like Sagar always says, yeah, there you see him in bed with Satan. And there he's with Satan. Yeah, we'll get into that in the premium half. But he is like redecorating the Oval Office to make it look like a soccer says Versailles. But like, as other people say, Saddam's palace.

57:22Right. That's that's what it's giving. It's giving Saddam. And so that's I mean, there's something to it. Right. He loves being sort of a – I say mob boss in a sense that I don't know how much he would even disagree with it. Like the Roy Cohn, I'm in charge and I'm going to actually act like I'm in charge, not like I'm delegating all of my powers to the bureaucracy. But I'm calling shots. And they zero in on the lawsuit part.

57:50Saagar Enjeti:They zero in in South Park on the, oh, I'm going to sue you. Like they kind of make Trump's lawsuits to be this like soy, like, I'm going to sue you. They make the lawsuits and how Trump sues people to be this kind of like essentially like bitch made kind of way of acting. It's like, oh, like his main thing is like whenever he doesn't like someone, he's going to sue them. And that's kind of like the main critique of Trump in this outside of like Middle East dictator. there's really no talk of like immigration or any of the other things that I guess liberals are upset about with Trump. I mean, there's like a little bit about like bombing or something like that.

58:27Saagar Enjeti:But essentially the episode cuts to just sort of like a deeper character critique of Trump, that he is this Middle East dictator, that he's very full of himself and that he is in bed with Satan and that he sues people because he is so insecure himself. And this all really triggered the White House so much that the White House felt like they had to give an official statement, which I'm going to put on the screen here. They gave a statement to Rolling Stone. So Rolling Stone reached out. Clearly, Rolling Stone reached out and the White House responded. And the White House said through dried tears, the left's hypocrisy truly has no end.

59:11Saagar Enjeti:For years, they have come after South Park for what they labeled as offensive content. But suddenly, they're praising the show. Just like the creators of South Park, the left has no authentic or original content, which is why their popularity continues to hit record lows. This show hasn't been relevant for over 20 years and is hanging on by a thread with uninspired ideas in a desperate attempt for attention. President Trump has delivered on more promises in just six months than any other president in our country's history, And no forthright show can derail President Trump's hot streak. So, you know.

59:47Saagar Enjeti:The best way to tell people you're not mad is by giving a very lengthy statement about why you're not mad. Yeah, that's a good point. So people found a Don Jr. tweet. I'm pulling it up right now, an old Don Jr. tweet. I think this is when South Park was – yeah, here it is. this was him this is at don jr responding um back in 2023 to south park going after what someone on twitter said was quote a quote woke uh disney content um but here's don jr said um this is the poll numbers on gen z we're gonna get to that in a second sorry we're sharing this one don jr ha ha ha ha ha as always do it all yeah every ha south park doesn't miss uh 2023 and you know like in the white house statement they're like they they refer to south park as the left whereas south park has always been known as more of this like libertarian streak where they kind of like hit both sides um over the years it does seem like and like i'll and i you know, to give the White House some credit and not that they deserve any.

1:01:03Saagar Enjeti:Do it, Griffin. Do it. I will say I will steel man their case and say that I do think that South Park has evolved to be a little bit more left liberal than sort of snotty libertarian. Both sides are equally bad. They have done big things like they have gone back and apologize for man bear pig saying that they actually think climate change is a big problem. and they were being too flippant about it. They've done a few other things like that where they're kind of like updating the way they talk about these subjects because I think they feel like probably a lot of other independents and libertarians that, well, maybe they felt 10, 15 years ago like both sides were equally bad, but when they see this Republican administration in action, they find themselves far closer identifying to the left than to the right.

1:01:57Saagar Enjeti:And I do. So I do think it is it is fair to say that South Park is a little bit more liberal than it used to be. Yeah, I think that's actually a really good point in many such cases, by the way. And I understand why people have done that, because they don't want to have any culpability for what they see with Trump as being so beyond the pale. I get that. I mean, I think a lot of people on the right have a similar thing where they no longer want to give any credence to the idea that like the left might have some points here and there, which is where you end up with these like absurd partisan defenses of every breath that Donald Trump takes instead of just kind of calling balls and strikes.

1:02:39Even when he does something that is like very non-conservative, for example, you get conservatives kind of – this is where the Saddam critique is actually pretty good – breathlessly defending him at every step of the way. So yeah, I understand the argument. Like you don't want to feel like you have blood on your hands, so to speak, for creating Trump or like fueling Trumpism from their perspective. It's the same thing with people on the right. um but it it is just like kind of lame i don't know griffin so okay to to to the sort more of the if sauger were here if sauger were here he'd be like shut the he'd be like you shut up they are the best that have ever lived oh oh really okay oh sauger loves south park nice he said to us yesterday he was like and i think i think crystal does too i i'm not positive but sagar was like you don't understand how how important they were during the bush administration

1:03:40Saagar Enjeti:i agree with that i agree with that well sagar has a liberal media diet sagar is a harry potter conservative a harry potter conservative i love that that's a great yeah you know that's like you know it's like the he he loves media and let's be honest most media is liberal leaning like i mean like you know there's yellowstone i guess there's i don't know some more like like i don't know is bosh republican conservative media like i don't know like there's very few conservative directed blue bloods uh land man i mean they're all from the same guy anything with uh yeah um but yeah so So there is always been this lack of conservative art.

1:04:27Saagar Enjeti:I don't know if that's because conservatives thought that doing art was gay or not a great profession or whatever. I'm not really sure. Well, I think it's gay coded, but in a good way. But yeah, I mean, I wanted to go back to your critique of the humorous South Park. because I did kind of agree like that is like, oh, OK. So the jokes on Trump are like he has a micro penis and he's gay for Satan. Yeah. And and it's like, OK, it's like it's kind of like an old school way of like making fun of like a like a politician or whatever. I don't know if I needed South Park to have like a more substantive like dismantling of like ice or anything like that.

1:05:13Saagar Enjeti:And in a certain way, it was kind of fun to just kind of go at something more libidinal with Trump because they knew it would it probably would upset him more. I think it seemed like a lot of the goal was to just upset him and to kind of scare this media sphere that's afraid of lawsuits that's been paying off Trump and and very scared of these lawsuits. So I think from a sort of a meta comedy narrative perspective, I think it was the funniest way to do it because it really did spit in the face of Paramount and Trump at the same time, which is kind of the best way to be a comedian, to kind of like give respect to no one in power.

1:05:54Well, this is, I think, an important point because they obviously CBS made the decision to cancel its late show franchise, storied franchise in the history of American media. And a lot of people saw that. And I don't want to disagree with, for example, Stoller, Matt Stoller, who says, you know, it's all about the merger. They want to, you know, give them a grease the skids a little bit, tell the Trump administration they got rid of Colbert and it'll help Paramount Skydance merger. I actually don't disagree that some of that may be happening behind the scenes that they're using it. Like it's it is a financial decision.

1:06:31I think clearly it is a financial decision because they're not just getting rid of Colbert and trying to juice the ratings and get more ad revenue. They're getting rid of the entire late show. And so but that could be kind of juicing the right. That could be juicing their taste. Right. They can use that behind the scenes, be like, listen, we got rid of Colbert. even if it wasn't really about that, you can sort of toss it in there. It doesn't hurt, I'm sure, because Trump also put out a long post on True Social about Colbert after Colbert lost the slot to the point we were making about how long the South Park statement was.

1:07:05This stuff really does get under his skin. But they do have this merger that the FCC, which is now Brendan Carr was talking about The View potentially being in trouble. He is reviewing like licensing. I think it's it's mostly posturing because it is true that the government does have it have a job to make sure that people are using their broadcast licenses, quote unquote, in the public interest. That has been I mean, South Park is one of the originals that challenged those back in the day when Sager is talking about the hits that they were taking against the Bush administration, for example, in a wartime period.

1:07:48It was really edgy then to challenge what you could put on cable television.

1:07:54Saagar Enjeti:On TV, yeah. They were constantly on the verge of being canceled just for the provocative material they put out. Right, which is why when you do it now, and I actually feel very similarly about Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, it does lose the edge because they were part of that. That's a testament to their success. They numbed us to the edginess of some of this. But if Paramount thought that Nixon Colbert would help with the merger, that argument definitely doesn't make sense because they knew the South Park shit was about to drop. No, the thing is South Park makes their episodes in four days.

1:08:29Saagar Enjeti:So there's no way Paramount knew the level of how hard they were about to go with this episode that was most likely written on Monday and Tuesday. Right, that's true. But they knew South Park was coming out during the Trump. Sure, sure, sure. Yeah. But they were like, well, it's not Trump. They have kind of shifted it off to this other character, so it's in safe territory. But Matt and Trey decided to do something far funnier. So overall, on a comedy critique level, on a meta comedy level, I do think it's funny. I think it's funny to shit on not just Trump, but on all these media institutions that are scared of him.

1:09:04Saagar Enjeti:But OK, we've got some Donald Trump's approval among Gen Z. He's second terms low here. Yeah, and let's get to Israel in one second and just wrap. We want to get to that as well before we go to the second half, just for just a little touch on that for sure. Yep. And let's let's just wrap on this point, though, about the vibes. So Trump was actually above water, according to this polling, which is from CBS and YouGov. When he took office, which is for a Republican president, shocking. That's we're talking about 18, 29 year olds. That's crazy for, again, a Republican president. He is now so underwater with Gen Z and that happened in six months.

1:09:46So this is being connected in the media. The polling results being connected to the Epstein scandal. Morning Consult has polling on this, too. They put Trump's approval rating at an all time low with Gen Z, 71 percent disapproving of his job. only 28 % in the CBS poll approve of him and 24 % in the morning consult pro poll approve of him. And again, that is a hell of a decline from when he was, I mean, he was barely above water. This, this chart's really helpful. But you can see here, this is the YouGovCBS numbers. There's a point where he's at 55 % with Gen Z, 55 % approval with Gen Z. That is now at 28%.

1:10:32And just 45 % disapproval with Gen Z. That's now at 72%. That is a really, I mean, that is a really, really sharp change. You don't see that often in political polling where something changes so dramatically so quickly. And the right was using those numbers at the time to say, this is a new chapter. This is a vibe shift. This is Trump doing the unthinkable for the culture and for the right. But Griffin, that has actually all crumbled really, really quickly. And the vibes are, I mean, the vibes are, we talk a lot about Gen Z votes on economics and all of that. But I think this is a pretty clear indication that Trump is not making the argument successfully.

1:11:17If he thinks it's true that he's delivered on his promises uh he's not making that argument at all yeah i mean

1:11:23Saagar Enjeti:for just for me like to me it just reads as you know these these people these gen z conservatives they seem to be a lot more reachable if you're trying to convince them of a more left liberal perspective like because they're not conservative right well they could yeah they're not conservative it's based on vibes they're not they're not they're majorly not driven by um by like a religious faith. They're not driven by like a neocon view of the world. And Trump hasn't made the economy like much better for them to notice in their own lives. They can't still afford a house, grocery prices. I mean, I'm told they're going down.

1:12:00Saagar Enjeti:They still seem really expensive to me personally. So yeah, it doesn't seem like there is much for them to get excited about. And you know, I was at 4th of July with some MAGA patriots. I did a little MAGA 4th of July. Where were you? Venice Beach. Listen, they're out there. Oh, no. No, California is a MAGA hub. Absolutely. And, you know, they were just low energy, kind of depressed about the whole thing and just being like, ah, just kind of feeling like they got burned on Iran, on Israel. They even told me that they hated watching these ICE videos of some mom getting taken away. That wasn't what they were expecting.

1:12:43Saagar Enjeti:So I don't know. Just to say that these people are movable. These people are not like a monolith that is going to go along with everything. I don't know what that means for Trump's term, if that affects the midterms truly or not. Because at the end of the day, you can not like Trump, but then you see whatever the next Kamala Harris is, and you don't like that either. So everyone has to kind of make the devil's choice there. Do we want to get to Israel before we jet over to the second half? Yep. I was going to say, that's the point. You can, you can hype. You had a lot of disillusioned lefties either stay home or vote for Trump because he seemed like the lesser of two evils, actually, even on the Gaza question.

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1:15:28Visit Bahamar.com today. Griffin, we are now awaiting really a response from the Trump administration that is matching the tone of the public and even some people on the right who are increasingly sounding the alarm about the famine in Gaza.

1:15:48Saagar Enjeti:Yeah, I mean, it's it's it has been a 24 hours for sure on the topic where people from all over that from the pro Zionist crowd are starting to what I would say, it's kind of cover your ass time where all of a sudden people are putting out statements on the record saying, oh, actually, we don't like the starvation policy here. And it's really alarming because we're seeing people like Barry Weiss, people from the free press and stuff like that, make statements, which really, to me, is a sign that we are at a very dark point, potentially a point of no return with this siege and starvation. So let's I'm going to share this right now.

1:16:34Here's the free press, Barry Weiss. The price of flour shows the growing hunger crisis in Gaza. Important report she points to that was in the free press just yesterday. So that was the headline of the story. The price of flour shows the hunger crisis in Gaza. A month ago. I'm sure if I scroll down, we'll see it in the mentions.

1:16:56Saagar Enjeti:Yeah. Griffin, go ahead. This is what you're talking about. A month ago in the free press, there was an article that says the Gaza famine myth less than like 30 days ago. So everyone is kind of trying to get out of this when it's far too late. I mean, we're getting reports right now that I would say there's almost like what there's the majority of the population is in now stage five of malnutrition and starvation. And what's so dangerous about that stage is that's kind of the point of no return. That's the point where even if you are given food, even if you are finally given aid, your body will be irrevocably changed and that it's not enough to ever recover from.

1:17:45Saagar Enjeti:And we're hearing that a majority of the population is currently in that stage or nearing that stage. And I was going to say, don't take it from Lefty Griffin. You can take it here from Haviv Rettigur of the Free Press, who's this obviously staunch defender of Israel. The Israeli left. Yes. So, yeah, this is the Free Press posting. Israeli journalist Haviv Rettigur, after 22 months of false – and he's been on our show, by the way. Ryan booked him and debated him a bit a few months back. After 22 months of false or misleading reports in Western media, Gaza is now actually approaching catastrophic levels of hunger.

1:18:21We are very close to real, actual, desperate hunger in Gaza. It's hard to convince Israelis of that because literally everything said to them for 22 months on this topic has been a fiction. We need to wake them up. Here's a little bit. And the major news reports about hunger over the last 22 months has been wrong. Sometimes mistaken, sometimes brazen and ridiculous lying. And when you hear a report about hunger in Gaza, always wait 48 hours. Just pin it, stick it in your bookmarks on your browser or print it out and put it on your desk and come back to it 48 hours later and check if it's still true.

1:18:57Because most will turn out not to have been true. So, Griffin, what we're getting from that is basically it's the media's fault. It's the left's fault for crying wolf. Right. And what's I think important about that is as somebody on the right, one of the lines that you've heard over and over again from the Israeli right and the American right that basically takes talking points from the Israeli right or defers to the Israeli right over and over again is that, OK, so if people are hungry in Gaza, why aren't they dying of starvation in droves? and it's because people were on the cusp and that's always been a line.

1:19:38People are on the cusp of starvation and death and you need to get food in now. What's happened, correct me if I'm wrong on this Griffin, over the last week or so, more than a week, is that it stopped. It actually stopped. That's what everybody was warning about to the point that he's making there. Those warnings were insufficient. Now the food is not getting in and now people are dying.

1:20:03Saagar Enjeti:Yeah, starvation deaths are in the hundreds now. We were seeing starvations over the last six to eight months, typically with children that had health conditions and things like that. But now we're seeing people without health conditions starving to death. We're seeing pictures of children that are just bones, babies that have trash bags for diapers because there's nothing left and they're just skin and bones. And I think what frustrates me so much about Haviv and this free press and all these people coming in super late and saying, oh, well, it's been so tough to talk about this subject because, you know, everyone's been crying wolf for two years saying they're starving.

1:20:47Saagar Enjeti:But that's not how starvation works. You don't wait till people are actually falling over and dying of starvation to prevent a starvation. You have to do it in the early stages or it becomes impossible to stop. It becomes this large snowball. And we've got right here pulled up an experience from a few kids. These are teenagers that were abducted from the Gaza humanitarian sites and were tortured. But this person is saying, if you can't read, if you're just listening on the podcast is a group of children. I believe that this man right here, this child is like 14 or 15. There were people as young as like 10, 11, 12 with him.

1:21:34Saagar Enjeti:They were at one of these sites looking for aid. They were taken by Israeli forces and held and tortured. They were talked about being beat for hours with batons. They would play loud music in their cells so loud that they couldn't think. They were forced to kneel for 24 hours at a time. They were in rooms that were so hot they couldn't even breathe. And there were even reports of IDF throwing stun grenades into the cells, just tossing grenades into these cells to torture them. And so imagine if you are someone who hasn't eaten in two or three days and you make this trek through this long, dangerous path, waiting for food desperately.

1:22:22Saagar Enjeti:People are being shot around you. And then instead of getting any food, you're kidnapped and tortured for weeks. I mean, I don't know how anyone physically could survive something like that. You know, here we've got. Yeah. Go for it, Emily. Well, yeah, no, I was saying the momentum on this is shifting. Now, Amy Klobuchar is obviously not a Republican, but she is somebody who just a couple of weeks ago was in that photo op with Benjamin Netanyahu. Wasn't she, Griffin? I got that too, yeah. Here you have her. This is a quote from her yesterday. Let me play a little bit of it. As one pediatric doctor, the leader of the ward at Nasser Hospital in southern Gaza, said, there is no one in Gaza now outside the scope of famine, not even myself.

1:23:11This is the pediatrician. So Klobuchar goes on to say acute malnutrition is rising. Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed in recent weeks while seeking food, most in the vicinity of Gaza Humanitarian Foundation distribution sites and others on the routes of aid convoys. This is simply unacceptable. and Griffin, actually the implication of what Haviv Rettigur and Amy Klobuchar are doing here is that they were wrong. I mean, I'm sure Haviv, I mean, Haviv has actually been talking about this a little bit longer than some other people, if you were listening closely. But I mean, before saying that everything else was disinformation, which he's saying now, Now, of course, there's some disinformation, there's some misinformation, of course, because this is political and that's what happens.

1:24:02Saagar Enjeti:And guess what? There's no reporters allowed in. There'd be a lot more of the information type if they actually let reporters in. But we're forced to just hear from underground reports from journalists in Gaza and whatever horror show videos we get on the side of the GHF. But I do think that this is an implication that people were wrong to say this is your you are anti-Semitic or you are slandering Israel if you're saying that they would do this, because that was actually part of the defense. Right. That Israel is a Western civilized democracy that does not treat civilians this way. and that is what you know the I feel like that's actually been a sort of cornerstone of the defense and if you now say but that's why Griffin then I was hoping that you could explain some of this to the audience because you follow this so closely that's why now the the line is basically hey it's the UN Ryan has a good report up on this in job site so so yeah Ryan did a great job with this one.

1:25:12Saagar Enjeti:So basically now they're saying, oh, it's like not us. Israel's like not the people who have been enacting a siege for months where no aid has gotten in. It's not us doing it. It's actually the UN that are starving the Gazans. And essentially through Ryan's reporting here, what they find is that the reason why the UN isn't bringing trucks in anymore is because every time they bring a truck in, their truck gets shot at by the Gaza humanitarian forces that, you know, we're seeing reports of, you know, 80 people dead, 90 people dead, 110 people dead every single day. And so what's happening is UN truck workers are bringing trucks in through these crossing points, and then they're getting lit up.

1:26:02Saagar Enjeti:They're sitting targets. They know every day people right outside their truck are being shot. So their lives are like being put directly in the line. And they literally are the UN is expected right now to put their workers in front of a firing squad, essentially. And so that is why the UN has slowed stuff. I mean, nothing has been more destructive in the last three months than this Gaza humanitarian foundation thing. I mean, it's been a explicit. I mean, just kind of out and out open, just killing field. And, you know, these people like Barry, like Kaviv, like all the other Hezbollahs and the Democrats too, like Klobuchar, who are all saying this now, when honestly, it's fucking too late for a lot of these people.

1:26:51Saagar Enjeti:A lot of these people are going to starve to death in the next couple of days. And even getting food might not be enough to save them at this stage of malnutrition. These people, all smeared UNRWA, smeared all the other aid mechanisms that were getting food into here, that were doing it because they have processes that actually work. But guess what happened? UNRWA's Hamas or the World Central Kitchen is just going to get their cars triple tapped by IDF drone strikes. And all of that was actually okay and blood liable to report on, according to these voices from before. It was anti-Semitic to report on this stuff before.

1:27:35Well, and yeah, so let's take a look. This is a point that's actually being made sort of implicitly here by Barak Ravid of Axios, who says Israel will now allow Arab countries to resume the airdrops of food into Gaza. This is a step that hasn't happened for many months. It happened last year when the humanitarian situation was extremely dire. Now here's the the key line, and this is just new reporting this morning. He says, at the same time, Israeli officials continue to claim there is no starvation in Gaza.

1:28:07Saagar Enjeti:Yeah. And I just, you know, obviously Israel is what seemingly in not just a PR, but a cultural sort of death spiral with this stuff. I mean, and I guess I would just have to say to anyone who is still not pro Israel is a really big umbrella, but people who, if you care about Israel, if you care about Jewish people all around the world being safe, and if you care about this rise of anti-Semitism sentiments, then moments like this are making Jewish people around the world incredibly less safe and making this future of the state of Israel greatly in question. Because you can't starve hundreds of thousands of people to death and not have it backlash and come back to you.

1:28:57So these messages from these people who helped and allowed and created cover for Israel to create the situation,

1:29:07Saagar Enjeti:they're just trying to cover their asses right now. But for normal people, non-commentators, people that really care about this, that care about Jewish safety, this has to stop. This has to stop now. or you're putting just the future of you and other Jewish people in a great danger. And I just think that it's really, really scary and it has to stop. But there just seems to be no line other than, well, we're going to get some food in and then we're going to keep bombing them again. It's like we can't bomb kids on an empty stomach. We can bomb them on a full stomach, which was the de facto position before the siege that started three or four months ago.

1:29:51Saagar Enjeti:It was like, well, we're feeding them, but we're still going to keep bombing them every single day. The bombs have continued. The food is gone. And it's it's hell on earth. And it stains Israel and it stains the U.S. and it's made the whole world unsafe because the sanctity of life itself is at risk. The idea that we care about human life and that human life is precious and matters, all of that is being thrown out the window. And that makes not just Jewish people, but everyone unsafe. Well, to your point about Israel, it punctures what Israel sees as its, I think it zaps the credibility of Israel's claim to being a important bedrock of Western civilization in the Middle East, which is used to convince Western allies, including the United States, heavily the United States, that they are the bulwark against, you know, all kinds of awful, inhumane, barbarous behavior in the Middle East, this is something that really, if that's an important kind of founding myth to the nation of Israel, and it's an important part of the politics of the foreign policy, the credibility of that is, it's not at risk, it's gone when you see this happening.

1:31:15Yeah.

1:31:16Saagar Enjeti:And, you know, it's been two years of a horror show, but we are at a new low. And I just think that people need to protest, get back out into the streets and let and, you know, and hold anyone that had anything to do with this in American politics accountable. And essentially, you know, just make sure this never can happen again to anyone else, like actually really never again. So I was going to say, Griffin, we have some more political updates on this. So France recognizing Palestinian state and the ceasefire talks basically ending. And I think we should move to the paywall section of the show, second half of the show, and where we'll cover that.

1:31:57We will then inject some levity to the best we possibly can into everyone's weekend with some reactions to longer South Park clips. And then we have a clip of Joe Rogan talking about Hunter Biden that you are definitely not going to want to miss because it's interesting in all kinds of different ways. So, again, to see the rest of the episode, details on the ceasefire, and then, of course, Rogan on Hunter Biden, go ahead and head over to breakingpoints.com, get a premium subscription, and we'll see you over there.

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