7/28/25: Trump Floats Ghislaine Pardon, Newsmax Says Ghislaine Is Victim, Dem Approval Rock Bottoms

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2:12Speaking of Israel, by the way, let's move on to the Jeffrey Epstein story, shall we? Here with Donald Trump now floating a potential pardon for Ghislaine Maxwell. Not saying he's going to do it, but, you know, not ruling it out either. Quote, I am allowed to do it if I want to. Let's take a listen. Would you consider a pardon or a commutation for Ghislaine Maxwell if you're cooperating? It's something I haven't thought about. It's really something I'm allowed to do it, but it's something I have not thought about. Something I haven't thought about, but I am allowed to do it, you know, if I am allowed to do it.

2:45This is after Ghislaine had this extraordinary meeting with the Deputy Attorney General, Todd Blanche. We have video of her. I'll talk over it while it is playing. You're actually watching her walk back into prison in Tallahassee, Florida, carrying the boxes of her discovery. The details of this, guys, are extremely unclear. So the circumstances that this all kind of came about, if we go to the next part, is that these meetings were initiated by the Department of Justice. Quote, she answered questions for about nine hours over two days and was, quote, granted a limited form of immunity. Now, people took a lot out of this, but let me just slightly explain.

3:25Because she's already been convicted, the limited form of immunity doesn't necessarily apply in the way people are thinking. She's not getting away with anything. According to them, Ghislaine Maxwell mentioned over 100 different names that bear investigation in relation to the Epstein story. Now, that's according at least to some leaks coming out from the government as well as statements by the deputy attorney general. But the entire thing stinks to high heaven, and this kind of gets to the pardon question because all of this is coming about as these Wall Street Journal story drops about Trump and Jeffrey Epstein and the letter that he wrote to him as well as all of these other powerful people, all of whom, by the way, have verified connections to Epstein.

4:06We have the photo of the book now dropped by the New York Times where Trump signed it to Jeffrey Epstein in 1997. Photos of the two of them being released. Who was it with James? James Brown, the singer. Just to show photos at his second wedding of Epstein who is attending there. Ghislaine Maxwell, obviously. These photos have all been out there for a long time. Not Trump and Epstein, but Ghislaine at the Clinton wedding. So obviously to the way that they were enmeshed in this high society is part of the entire story. The question is, why now? Because what we've seen previously is the DOJ said that at no time was Ghislaine ever asked about third party individuals who were may or may not have been enmeshed in this blackmail scheme.

4:51But the problem is that Trump has a direct political incentive right now to make sure that his own name doesn't surface in any of this. And so any form or deal cut by the government that, let's say, implicates other people, it doesn't implicate Trump, and then leads to some sort of pardon that is not immune from the political process is going to have a lot of open questions. This is why they should have a special prosecutor. They should have somebody who's immune from the political system who is not directly answerable to Donald Trump or anyone really on the matter because any sort of deal and files or whatever that is released has to have confidence.

5:29Otherwise, this is going to be some JFK-style cover-up all over again. So the whole thing stinks. It's so obvious. It stinks to high up. It's so obvious what's going on here. She wants a pardon. Trump is thinking of giving it to her. And what, in exchange, you think she's going to blow the whistle on if he did anything wrong? Of course not. It's going to be all about handing over like whatever Democrats or Democratic aligned billionaires, you know, which fine. But again, the government has that we can put the next element, D4 up on the screen. The government has like 100 ,000 pages of documents.

6:00They have terabytes of information, including financial records and all and videos and all sorts of information that they could release. We don't have to pardon a pedo sex criminal trafficker who should spend the rest of her life in prison and frankly wasn't prosecuted for even close to all of the crimes that she actually committed. I mean, let's not get it twisted. This woman, you want to talk about a groomer, like this woman is an absolute monster. We're talking at the least hundreds of girls, young girls, that she would recruit and herself personally victimize and get into this trafficking, what was effectively like a pedo trafficking Ponzi scheme.

6:42She was the main person doing that for years and years and years. So, you know, I'm starting to cover the like MAGA reaction, this idea that she got a raw deal or, oh, this is so unfair. Like, what is unfair is that there aren't other people in prison alongside of her. 100%. But don't get it. She belongs there. And so the fact that it's even being considered, and I think he's going to do it. I do think he's going to do it. But he's even considering pardoning her. And we have reporting from the past, according to Michael Wolff at least, that he had considered pardoning her before. It's so grotesque.

7:18And he thinks that we're all stupid, that we can't see what's happening here. people need to acquaint themselves with the term if you're not familiar limited hangout because that's exactly what's going on here is like in order to sort of like push off the pressure from this emerging scandal of how closely affiliated Donald Trump was with Epstein and how he clearly is acting guilty as hell like he's got all kinds of things to cover up in order to like diffuse that scandal are you'll selectively release a little bit of information to try to convince people that you're blowing the lid off of this scandal, but obviously you're carefully concealing anything that would implicate Trump, anything that would implicate anyone really on the Republican side of the aisle, but him in particular.

8:00And at this point in time, what is the most important information that we can? Yes, expose all of the pedophile criminals, do that. But the most important piece of information we need right now is, does Mossad have blackmail pedo material on the president of the United States? And if you if we are not in pursuit of relentlessly in pursuit of that information, then it is, you know, we are really, really missing the train on what is going on here. I mean, it sounds like Russiagate level stuff. And completely. But that's part of the issue is that I'm going to be clear. I didn't believe that. I'm still not really.

8:34I still don't really believe that. But the way that Trump is acting makes it so that it's pretty clear that, you know, you got to ask something about like what the hell is going on with your actions around these files from the very beginning. And let's put this next one up here on the screen, shall we? This is from The New York Times, D4. Because what you see here is, quote, how a frantic scouring of the Epstein files consumed the Justice Department. And in the story, they talk specifically. By the way, I don't fully believe this. This is all kind of like a – it's kind of the FBI line in terms of how they didn't end up discovering some sort of grand conspiracy.

9:14But they're saying they compiled more than 100 ,000 pages of materials related to Epstein in terms of grand jury testimony, in terms of his bank records, all of the different stuff that they've seized and all of that over the years. and that of those 100 ,000 files, none of them, absent what previously has been released, is yet going to be released here by the government. Now, they claim the Bureau's own expert document reviewers have raised questions about whether it's being rushed or whether it would violate laws and internal protocols to protect sensitive information about witnesses, child victims, and other grand jury material from being released.

9:53But let's not pretend that they care all that much about what the – they care about the actual privacy of the people who are named in here that are not the victims. they're afraid. And I guess maybe I'm relatively conflicted about this. They keep saying things like, oh, well, we don't want innocent people to be smeared as a result of the release of these files. But, and everyone says like, oh, just appearing in the file doesn't implicate any sorts of wrongdoing. But that's not really the point as to the story. Because even let's say if you're in the files, but not connected to the sex trafficking, which by the way, as I've said here before.

10:30I don't even think that's like really the tip of the spear of the shadiest stuff that he was up against. You could still be involved in some extremely like grand intelligence, money laundering, bag man operation. So, you know, you might still be guilty of all of this other different stuff. And at this point, considering the promises and all that from the Trump administration to just come out with a memo and just cut everything off from the very beginning and not release any of the info, you know, especially that points in the intelligence picture, that just screams cover up at like the highest level.

11:02So the point is there's 100 ,000 pages of Epstein documents. Trump may have a personal compelling interest in terms of not wanting to get his relationship with Epstein out. But again, I really still don't think that that's the full story. I think that the original intelligence impotence stems from, you know, has been there from day one. And that these 100 ,000 pages and all of that inside of the FBI, and even now all of this talk with Ghislaine Maxwell, like you said, Ghislaine, the limited and hangout stuff, that's what this entire thing looks like. And a lot of it has been distracted in terms of installation, media coverage.

11:32And people don't necessarily know the full story. But when you do, there's so much still out there that they could easily release while still protecting victims and all that. And actually give people some compelling information about what's inside of the possession of the government. You don't have to go to the courts and ask them to release it. You don't have to pardon a convicted sex criminal. You don't have to do any of that. You have in the government, in the FBI. Under the executive purview. Yeah, under the executive purview, you have vastly more information than you're going to get from this criminal or from the grand jury testimony, which isn't going to be released anyway.

12:05So then, OK, well, why doesn't he just release it? And we already know this has now been reported. He's in the files. We know that when they were scouring through this 100 ,000 pages of information that they were specifically told to flag his name and identify where he appears in the files. And we also know, and this is, you know, Ryan brought this up and really reminded people of this whole episode who weren't familiar. The Israelis are known, Netanyahu specifically, is known to have blackmailed President Clinton with Monica Lewinsky recorded sex tapes that they had collected and sort of dropped the information to him in the context of ongoing negotiations with Palestinians.

12:45So it's not like this is so outlandish and, oh, they would never do that. And it's crazy to think that they'd be collecting sexual blackmail material on American presidents. We know they literally have already done that. So is President Trump one of those American presidents, the next in the list of American presidents who the Israelis are holding some sort of blackmail material over his head? We need to know that. And it certainly would explain a lot of how he has behaved vis-a-vis the Israeli state. And – well, not just him, by the way. There's other cabinet officials, I'll leave it at that, who have some questionable behavior on the topic.

13:21But it is one of those where when you – you make it seem like that is a possibility in terms of your behavior. The only way to quash it at this point is to actually release everything to show that you have nothing to hide. But the Republicans are not acting that way. The Republican Party right now, quite literally, has shut down the entire House of Representatives just to make sure that none of the Epstein files get released because they don't want to vote on the floor. Any rule, nothing, no piece of legislation to be able to move through. And the Speaker, Mike Johnson, has a new line. All credible evidence must be released.

13:56Credible being the key word in terms of protecting identities and others, as if they're so concerned about that. Let's take a listen. Should all of the files related to Jeffrey Epstein be released and made public? Yes, I agree with President Trump, with the Department of Justice, with the FBI, that you need all credible evidence and information out there. That word credible is important. And why? because you have to protect innocent people's names and reputations whose names might be, as you noted at the outset of the program, intertwined into all these files. This has been a long legal process.

14:30The Massey and Kanna discharge petition would require the release. They would require the DOJ and FBI to release information that they know is false. So there you go. In terms of the new line is all about credible evidence, about this grand jury stuff. Guys, you know, none of that has anything to do with all of the vast troves of information that the government can and should release immediately. So that's just—just everybody keep that in mind as the story continues to fold. Reminder that this man literally shut down Congress to avoid a vote. Yeah, shut down Congress. Releasing the stuff, though.

15:03I will say, I'm actually somewhat heartened at some of the congressional Republicans here. You know, they basically fold on everything, but it's pretty clear from the— They actually did have the votes to vote on the bill from Tim Burchett, Thomas Massey, a few others. They have done the subpoena now for Ghislaine Maxwell. I don't really know what it is, but they at the very least are not, you know, sitting down yet right now about the release of the files. I think a subpoena of Ghislaine Maxwell is worthless because she's just going to—she's not going to. She wants a pardon from Trump. She's never going to implicate him or be fully honest about what she knows.

15:34So I don't really put much credence in that whatsoever. But, I mean, they clearly realize that this has a lot of heat with their base and feeling under pressure. Yeah, but, okay, but let's say, so, good point. But at the end of the day, a subpoena and a compelling testimony puts somebody on the record. If you lie to Congress, that is a crime. And that's actually one that a future Congress, let's say a Democratic Congress, can lead you to. So if she says, you know, something about Donald Trump or whatever, you're under oath, right? You literally could be prosecuted for that possibly in the future.

16:00So I wouldn't say it's as worthless as you might say because also it's important for those transcripts and all that to exist in a place outside of the Department of Justice and to have it in an open testimony or at least have some screened or whatever by intelligence and then released. The point is about getting other bodies of the U.S. government actually involved in the investigation, which always is important because that's part – honestly, that's really where a lot of the information, if you look back on the Warren Commission, 9 and 11 Commission, that's – or Snowden and so much. A lot of the info that we learned never came from the executive branch.

16:32Right. Getting Congress involved here is important. No, at this point, I don't think there's no way. Like even if Trump today, oh, I'm going to release the files like you couldn't trust that he's actually like releasing everything. There's no way you could trust what's coming from them. So. So, yeah, it's going to have to come from like either congressional action, whistleblowers, journalism. Like that's the only way that you're going to get. The funny thing, my last word here is it's pretty clear that all of this is coming from in the FBI. in my opinion, the Trump letter and the book and everything.

17:02The reason the journal hasn't released the book, guys, they don't have the book. It's from the pages. And they actually even say in the story, the book is part of scans that were included in the FBI. It doesn't take a genius to figure out where this is all coming from. Same with that scan that the New York Times released of that book. They have the scan because it was part of the scan that's in the FBI. So obviously, Trump is, what he's doing is setting up the incentive mechanism where all these other people in the files, their names aren't getting leaked. But he's allowing, obviously, disgruntled or people or whatever in the FBI to continue to leak to the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, or any of these other people, all of the specific mentions, which he forced them to flag in the files to the national media, making him look even more guilty.

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19:23Which brings us to our next part here on Ghislaine Maxwell, where the MAGA kind of media has now embraced a position where maybe Ghislaine is the victim and she needs a pardon. So let's take a listen. She just might be a victim. She just might be. There was a rush to judgment. There was a lot of chaos there for a while. All right. Granted, she hung out with Jeffrey Epstein. And I know that's apparently not good. She may be a victim. Apparently that's not good. So, you know, you may wonder, who is this guy? This is Greg Kelly over at Newsmax. And then you may ask, like, what is Newsmax? Newsmax, obviously, like the pro-Trump channel that really exploded after 2020.

20:09And then you may want to take a look at their board of directors. And on that board of directors is a guy whose name is Alex Acosta. Does anybody remember who that is? Oh, right. He's the prosecutor who gave the sweetheart deal to Ghislaine Maxwell and to Jeffrey Epstein. In fact, Alex Acosta's sweetheart deal, the non-prosecution agreement, is the very reason that Ghislaine is trying to protest her innocence all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court. Because per her definition of why she's been unjustly prosecuted is she's like, look, this isn't about the trafficking. You promised me I can't be prosecuted back in 2007.

20:46So what, am I just guilty of taking a notice here as to who exactly has been on the board of directors and is now saying that Epstein got his, or that Ghislaine is actually maybe the victim of prosecution? The whole thing is crazy. Also, I'm not gonna let off the Biden people here either because the, sorry, the original 2019, the Trump people, the sheer acknowledgement of we never asked her if she had any other, Does anyone realize how insane that is? Is we prosecuted her for crimes that are only narrowly tailored to implicate Ghislaine and Epstein. And we were never like, hey, do you have any information on anybody else?

21:27Yeah. How can you say that? Well, because this is one of the things that, you know, people say, oh, there's really no larger conspiracy here. They always point to that. Yeah, this is Michael Tracy points to this. Right? And he'll say, well, OK, well, don't you think if she had all this information on powerful people that she would have sung and lessened her sentence, made some sort of a deal? And it's like, what makes you think that the government wanted that information? Like, what makes you think that this prosecution wasn't just about, OK, let's narrowly let's get this one person in prison where we can control her and make sure that it basically stops there?

21:58I mean, that's effectively the way they went about that case. They called it. Remember, we covered it. It was called like a thin case or something like that. where it was like, we're just going to make it as narrow as possible on things that we're 100 % sure we can get her on. And I don't think there's any indication that they were curious about whatever else she may have been able to tell them. So, yeah, I mean, in addition to you've got that now idea that, oh, she's the real victim. I just, you can't, I can't even believe that they would say these words. Like, again, this woman was a monster.

22:32She is a monster. hundreds of go and listen to these women whose lives were destroyed they were never the same after whether it was one um you know rape by jeffrey epstein or whether it was you know over a long period of time of control and abuse their lives were destroyed like she destroyed these women and she was the one she was constantly on the lookout for you know girls who are getting out of high school and let me jump out and get their number and let me get them into this sexual abuse, pedophilia ring. That was her. And so to try to rewrite history now and act like she, you know, oh, she was done dirty and this was, she's a victim and she deserves some sort of leniency here or that she's a hero for blowing the whistle on whoever she's, you know, whoever she's talking about now to the Trump administration.

23:23It truly is disgusting. And we didn't pull the clip, but Alex Jones said something similar. He's like, he didn't call her a victim, but he said, Trump has opened the floodgates. The Democrats' worst nightmare is about to come true because Ghislaine Maxwell sang like a canary and answered questions about 100 different people associated with Jeffrey Epstein. So they're trying to get back to this place of like, oh, this scandal has nothing to do with Republicans, certainly has nothing to do with the Republican president of the United States, who was Jeffrey Epstein's best friend for years and years.

23:53No, it has nothing to do with that. It's all about now Ghislaine is the brave truth teller blowing the whistle about all of the Democrats who were implicated. And listen, it's bipartisan. Don't get me wrong here. I'm sure there are Democrats, donors, wealthy people who have contributed to both political parties. But it's so incredibly dishonest to paint this woman as a brave truth teller, to paint what Trump is doing as anything other than a desperate scheme to distract and to cover his own ass from whatever the files have to say about him. Yeah, and you know the other thing that bothers me is having covered the Ghislaine thing, is she was not just convicted of sex trafficking.