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22:45Those who enter, never leave. And Abrego Garcia is one of the only cases that I think we even know of, whether in El Salvador or anywhere else, of somebody leaving CICOT alive. Soon after getting there, it seems like they had them all kneel for 24 hours, which, Manny and I are old men at this point. If we kneel for two minutes, we're struggling hard. And then they were beaten if they collapsed. And the filing says that he soiled himself while they were being forced to kneel kind of overnight, among a bunch of the other abuses. Do you think that this is the reason why the Trump administration was initially so reluctant to, and is still reluctant, to return anybody from the detention center because they can then talk about what happened down there.

23:46It's part of the reason. I don't think it's the whole reason. I think even if they weren't being tortured there, it's a point of principle, right, for the bullies not to give in and they don't want to say that all the liberal media and the Democrats made and the human rights actors made us bring people back. You'll remember that the ridiculous cosplaying Homeland Security Secretary, Kristi Noem, went in front of Congress and said, I guarantee you he's never coming back. Well, he did come back, but for this bullshit Tennessee indictment for human trafficking, human smuggling. Yeah, I think it's part of the reason.

24:14It's not the only reason. And Human Rights Watch have documented that this is a prison where people never leave from. And yes, they are just literally disappeared inside of there. It's a horrific gulag in El Salvador created by a kind of autocrat, President Bukele, Trump's ally. People are treated horrifically. He was threatened with being put into cells with gang members where he would be killed, he was told by the guards. He had his head shaved forcibly with a zero razor. He was beaten with wooden batons. He was punched in the head. He was, as you say, forced to kneel all night long, kicked and beaten if they weren't able to kneel all night long, soiled himself, deprived of food, malnutrition, lost dozens of pounds.

24:54You'll remember that photo that the Trump administration released with him and Chris Van Holland having margaritas, which, as the senator from Maryland pointed out, they didn't order. It was placed in the picture by the El Salvadorans to make it look like they were having this great time. He was not having a great time. And we can only dread to imagine what is happening to some of the other innocent people who have been sent there. The gay barber who was sent there, the guy with the autism tattoos who was looking after his brother. So many cases. There was a case just this week I read of where the Trump administration have admitted for once that they sent someone who shouldn't have been sent to El Salvador, but they can't find him anymore.

25:29I tweeted this yesterday, and I stand by this. You said you and I are old men because we can't kneel. We're also old men who remember 2001, 2002, 2003. I think this is as big a scandal, if not bigger scandal, than Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay. This is happening in plain sight, at least we could argue in 2001, 2003. We didn't know till much later. We didn't know till Senator Dianne Feinstein's report. We didn't know till Seymour Hersh is reporting in The New Yorker. This is happening in plain sight. We have known since day one, we didn't even need Kilmar Abrego Garcia's report. We saw the video that the Trump administration put out.

26:05Remember, they put out a video to music showing off their torture and beating and forcible shavings of innocent men sent to CECOT. Now we have this 40 page amendment with the details in it. I think history will judge what those of us who know about it and saw did in this moment. This is a scandal that Democrats in Congress should be screaming about from the rooftops, which every Democrat who wants to be president in 2028 should be talking about. The Trump administration took a bunch of people in the United States, including possibly legal residents, we don't know because they haven't told us who went, and sent them to a foreign gulag to be tortured and refused to bring them back, including when the court said send them back.

26:41That is a crime. That is a scandal. And I think Americans need to stop thinking it can't happen here. We're not like those other countries. The descriptions in this report, in this amendment, are the kind of descriptions you would read about from a North Korean prison, an Iranian prison, a Russian prison. Let's stop pretending we don't do what everyone else does.

26:58Emily Jashinsky:So this is something that Ryan and I actually debated a little bit yesterday, and we can put D2. This is a VO of alligator Alcatraz flooding on the screen. So this engineering marvel that was constructed very quickly in the middle of the Everglades is already flooding. Probably no surprise to anybody who would conceive of what it might look like after you throw up a massive 3 ,000-bed facility in the Everglades in like a week's time. And Ryan raised the point that hurricane season could be especially devastating to people who are kept there in the future. So 3 ,000 beds, they want to increase that to 5 ,000 beds, and they just got an infusion of funding for immigration enforcement.

27:40Emily Jashinsky:But Mehdi, I think the public hates the Seacott stuff. I think most of the public hates the Seacott stuff because it feels profoundly un-American. I think it's a blind spot for the Trump administration that gets very online and sort of falls for the appeal of the memes on these types of things. I think the Trump administration has sort of understood that, which is why they didn't send another group of people to see caught, at least not yet, on the political front. So I guess I'm curious what you make of alligator Alcatraz, which you mentioned Kristi Noem like cosplaying. Honestly, I feel like it, I think we need to take it seriously.

28:22Emily Jashinsky:I do feel like the Trump administration likes to LARP as Bukele. I don't think it's popular. But I don't foresee alligator Alcatraz looking like Seacott. That doesn't mean I don't think we should take the threat of that seriously. But I'm curious what you expect to see from the facility in the next several months as they start filling it. Just on the LARPing point, I should also point out that when the history books are written about this period and about the torture in El Salvador, you will have a series of Republican members of Congress who went to El Salvador, stood outside prison cells, said, what a great place this is.

28:52Christy Noam. Christy Noam led the charge. She stood in front of a cell full of dozens and dozens of men with shaved heads, lined up for a photo op. Many of those men who have been tortured, as we now know. And this is what the American government was part of, which is what I'm saying. It's worse in many ways than Abu Ghraib because the Bush administration, Cheney and Ashcroft, didn't go and do photo ops at Abu gray. They tried to keep it hidden. And this administration, as usual, the cruelty is the point, to borrow Adam Sawyer's line. So yes, and I think, look, whether you call it alligator, whatever stupid name these people give to their concentration camps, even already ice detention facilities were overcrowded.

29:29We were hearing reports about abuse. We're hearing stories about people not eating for days, not having beds, sleeping on the floor, no blankets, all sorts of abuse, 911 calls from ICE detention centers with people collapsing, that we had a death, I believe, of a Cuban-American man this week or a Cuban man this week. I don't know what his status is. I can't remember. Who knows with this administration what the status is? Also, Medhi, just to underline that, because I was just in Miami and they were talking about this down there a lot. He was a 75-year-old man who had been in the United States since 1965, since the age of 15.

30:03So he fled what they will called in Miami the Castro dictatorship, which, I mean, kind of was dictator. Yeah.

30:13Emily Jashinsky:Glad to have you guys on the record here. We know that. So he'd been here for 60 years. Now, a lot of people in Miami, because of its cultural nature, like maybe he never became a citizen. I don't know. Like it's quite possible he didn't. He easily could have. If you've been here since 1965 as a Cuban, you could have become a citizen. But just in Miami, like a lot of people didn't, he died in ICE detention. And Tom Homan responded, well, you know, bad things happen. People die in every prison. People die in every prison, but we're saving so many lives with ICE. Anyway, so I just wanted to give you a background.

30:47But ICE prisons in particular are overcrowded. We know now we have this new budget. We have this budget bill that's gone through giving them more money than most, than a lot of foreign militaries, as a lot of people are pointing to that. I believe they're going to have half the levels of personnel as the United States Marine Corps when all is said and done if this bill goes through. So they're getting lots of money for fancy new centers and troops. But what I would say is even already, the overcrowding is insane. The conditions are horrific. You mentioned the elderly Cuban man. There was an Iranian woman who's been here 50 years.

31:19She came in 1979. Her family and her came to visit the United States, and the revolution happened, and they stayed, and she never got citizenship. and they are now, I think they got her in her front yard while she was gardening, this dangerous threat, this elderly Iranian woman. So these are the kind of ridiculous stories coming out from the ICE detentions. But the conditions, to go back to Emily's question, are horrific. I don't think even if they get$37 billion from this bill that they're somehow going to build nicer facilities. It's not about lack of resources. The reason people are being abused in detention is not because they lack resources, that's part of it, but it's also because the cruelty is the point.

31:51They don't see these people as fully human beings. They don't see these people as deserving of rights. You've heard United States senators have gone on live television and said, no, foreigners don't get due process. Foreigners aren't covered by the Constitution. This is the kind of ridiculous shit that is said by people with law degrees serving in the United States Senate, which is obviously nonsense. Everyone gets due process. So that is the fundamental problem. It's not about resources. It's not about where you locate your concentration camp. It's about the fundamental mindset of Tom Homan and Stephen Miller and Donald Trump, which is that these people are not fully human.

32:23These people are not people deserving of rights. These people need to be punished to send a message. And these people need to be out of here. And I think that is the key point that, you know, Ryan mentioned Miami. Bunch of Republicans in Florida, members of the House are saying, well, come on, can you tone it down a bit? Because they're feeling some backlash from their constituents who are like, you know, the leopard eat, what's the face eating leopard party meme? Like, I didn't know they'd come for my friends.

32:45Emily Jashinsky:Manny, I know you have to run. So thank you so much for sticking around for a second segment. We appreciate it. Thank you, guys. Of course. We know kids don't hold back, and I wouldn't want them to. Get in there, make a mess, slide for home, bring on the stains. I've got OxyClean Versatile Stain Remover. It works on over 100 stains, and it's America's number one stain fighter additive brand. It's color-safe and chlorine-free, so I use it on whites, colors, and dark fabrics. And OxyClean isn't just for laundry. Mix it with water for use all around the house, kitchens, bathrooms, and even floors.

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34:20per month equivalent. Taxes and fees extra. Initial plan term only greater than 50 gigabytes may slow when network is busy. C terms. Zoran Mamdani held a press conference to respond to President Trump's threat that he was going to do all sorts of things to him, including round him up, deport him, jail him, etc. Here's Mamdani. Yesterday, Donald Trump said that I should be arrested. He said that I should be deported. He said that I should be denaturalized. And he said those things about me, someone who stands to be the first immigrant mayor of this city in generation, someone who would also be the first Muslim and the first South Asian mayor in this city's history, less so because of who I am, because of where I come from, because of how I look or how I speak, and more so because he wants to distract from what I fight for.

35:14I fight for working people. I fight for the very people that have been priced out of this city. And I fight for the same people that he said he was fighting for. This is the same president who ran on a campaign of cheaper groceries, who ran on a campaign about easing a suffocating cost of living crisis. And ultimately, it is easier for him to fan the flames of division than to acknowledge the ways in which he has betrayed those working class Americans, not just in this city, but across this country, and the ways in which he continues to betray them. Because we know that he would rather speak about me than speak about the legislation that he is shepherding through Washington, D.C.

35:47Legislation that will quite literally take health care away from Americans. Legislation that will steal food from the hungry. Legislation that looks to build upon one of the largest transfers of wealth we've seen in recent history in his first administration and do it once again for the very Americans who already have enough. We should be fighting for those that do not. have what they need to live a dignified life. That is what I will do. And I am thankful to have the protection and to have the support of so many New Yorkers who have stood up and said how unacceptable this is, including our governor, including members of the labor movement.

36:25And ultimately, what I fear for is that if this is what Donald Trump and his administration feel comfortable about saying about the Democratic nominee for the mayor of New York City, imagine what they feel comfortable saying and doing about immigrants whose names they don't even know. So also yesterday, and we can put up this element here, President Trump's Homeland Security Advisory Council, which is a group that includes such luminaries as Bo Dietl, who is the founder of Bikers for Trump, and Rudy Giuliani, who is, believe it or not, the former mayor of New York once in his life, as well as some other folks.

37:02They met and they quickly decided that the main thing the Homeland Security Advisory Council needed to focus its meeting on was what they're going to do about Zoran Mamdani. And talking about the Homeland Security Department having authorities that haven't been used in the past that maybe need to look into that. So before we get into the actual threats on Mamdani, Emily and I wanted to talk about his response to it, because I think we both think that this is an expression of a populist democratic party that could exist that does not exist but these are the kind of green shoots of it popping up and that if it did exist it would represent a genuinely interesting development on the scene and would become a party that was actually worth working people respecting and voting for which is stunning because it's happening at a time when the democratic party could not be at its lowest

37:56Emily Jashinsky:We saw when we were here yesterday, we saw a preview of Mom Donnie's strategy towards this when he just first put out his statement after Trump made his comments and pivoted. And we talked about that yesterday, how he pivoted to basically class warfare, did the same thing right here. He pivoted not to I shouldn't say class warfare because I think that diminishes it. He pivoted to affordability. And it's like this is what you do if you realize your average voter isn't Liz Cheney. this is how you run a campaign where you're going after Trump, but you're not fully taking Trump's bait. And I think it's genuinely a pretty interesting development for Democrats that they now have a kind of textbook example of how to do the thing.

38:38Right. It's not backing down on the initial charge. It's not apologizing for any of the culture war stuff that Trump is doing here. It's pushing back on that, but then it's moving and saying the reason you're doing this is because you're a billionaire that doesn't care about people and you just want to distract from the fact that you're stealing everybody's Medicaid and that you promised to run on making groceries cheaper and you're not doing it. It's really interesting because the 2017, you know, the first term version of Democrats against Trump would have just fully seized on the culture war aspect of it and said, Donald Trump is a bigot.

39:19He's a xenophobe. We are a nation of immigrants. And he doesn't back away from all of that rhetoric. He believes all of those things. But that's not really where he puts his energy in response.

39:30Emily Jashinsky:And what you're saying is that 2017, because I think this is so true and easily forgotten. I feel like that's really what everyone would have done. The conventional wisdom is that maybe you throw in a couple of lines about grocery prices and Medicaid and SNAP. But actually you spend the bulk of your response talking about how you are going to be the first Muslim mayor of New York City. and how that's what scares Donald Trump. He's scared of brown people. He's scared of change. I think that's totally true. If we put that in a time machine, if we put Mondani in a time machine and say he was running in 2017, maybe he would have been smarter about it.

40:07Emily Jashinsky:But the strategists on the left would not have. Yeah, they would not have. And I think it's probably, it's tied up in the intra-democratic fight that happened at the time where Bernie Sanders had just come off this very bitter primary where a lot of Hillary Clinton supporters were still even blaming Bernie Sanders for the fact that Trump was in at all. And anybody who said that Donald Trump supporters had, quote-unquote, economic anxiety, that was said to be code for the real reason that they supported Trump, which is their racism and their homophobia and their bigotry and on and on. And so because that was the case, if Democrats shied away from talking about economic anxiety, because they were afraid that they would then like, oh, look at you, you racist much.

41:02Mamdani instead takes Trump at his word and says, if you notice in that clip, he says Trump ran on these things. People voted for him. The point he's making is people voted for Trump because he promised he was going to lower grocery prices. He was going to make the city more affordable and fill their lives with some dignity, make their lives better. That's what Trump said he was going to do. And he's talking to Trump supporters and saying he's not doing that. What is he doing? He's getting you all riled up about me when all I'm trying to do is lower grocery prices.

41:37Emily Jashinsky:I revisited this last week. when we talked to Zoran in, what was that, December? Yeah, something like that. Yeah, it was November or December. Actually, you know what, I think it was November because he, that's what I was going to say, told us. He was interviewing the Trump people, yeah. Yeah, he did. He sort of followed Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's lead and went out into, I think he told us, the Bronx, and he was in Queens. He was interviewing people, talking to them, trying to pitch himself to Trump voters. And he said the number one thing they were concerned about was the price of groceries. They feel like they have less in their bank accounts than they used to.

42:16And that's, again, it's so obvious.

42:18Emily Jashinsky:But circa 2017, you just couldn't make that argument, period. Which is weird because, of course, you could. You could. Just the structures of the Democratic Party at the time were just not allowing the party to respond. And also, they were so thoroughly rewarded by the media for leaning into the culture war. Yes, yes. And rewarded by a significant chunk of their voters. Right. Doesn't mean those voters wouldn't also have been with them. Right. On other stuff. Now, inflation was not what it was in 2017. Right. Like we had, you know, 1 % inflation since basically the financial crisis. Right. So, you know, the context is actually different.

43:03Now, the economy stunk, and that's why Trump won, I think, in 2016. But it wasn't exactly prices. It was wages and joblessness, which was slowly getting, you know, had gradually come back from the financial crisis, but took so long. And people were mired in debt and student debt.

43:19Emily Jashinsky:Oh, opioid crisis had wrecked local economies. So I think Democratic base would have been there for it. But Democrats didn't need to go there because they would get donations. They would get donations, they'd get crowds, and they would get fawning media coverage for pointing out what a bigot Trump was. And so they didn't need to go and be like, look, he actually said he was going to run on all these things to make your life better, and he's not doing that. They didn't want to compete on that. They didn't want to take seriously the idea that he actually ran on that stuff. Because they thought that the silver bullet was their own cultural arguments against Trump.

43:54Emily Jashinsky:And it wasn't. That wasn't enough to persuade voters who have always baked into their calculation. And this is what the media doesn't understand because the media is pretty friendly with a lot of politicians. Other voters understand that politicians are probably bad people, right? Like they know that you're not convincing people to stop supporting Trump by saying he's a bad guy. That's not like a slam dunk own on a Trump supporter. They actually are making a calculated decision that he was going to disrupt the system. And if you're not competing on that field, you're not competing at all. You're arguing totally past what they're what you could possibly persuade people on.

44:33Yeah. And I think also the party's donors are ambivalent about any class first messaging.

44:39Emily Jashinsky:Yeah. Yeah, of course. That they're like, like, can we do some of the other stuff? Were you at HuffPost when they did the asterisk after every mention of Trump? I look back in that and I remember it said like Donald Trump is a racist, xenophobic, homophobic bigot, something like that. And every mention of Trump had an asterisk and said that. I was like, I mean, many people believe all of that is true. I mean, you can make arguments about all of that, but it's not persuasive. It actually distracts. I don't know. We don't have to relitigate that. But it was a good example of the approach at the time.

45:14Yeah. I mean, and I think if we went back and looked at it, it didn't I don't think it had any class messaging in it. because like you could have led with Donald Trump is a billionaire blah blah blah right but I think the only way the union busting yeah right the only rips off everyone who's ever worked for him I think the only way HuffPost was able to get away with that and yeah I was I was there and involved with it at the time, like, journalistically, was because it would feel more partisan if it was class in a way.

45:50Emily Jashinsky:Mm-hmm. Like, because what it was doing was pointing to their universal American values, which are, you know, equality, justice. We treat all people with dignity. Right. Civil rights, like, at least at that time. Aspirational. Yeah, everyone believed in the civil rights movement, like left to far right, like that the civil, not far right, but left to right, civil rights movement was seen as like a very good thing. Yeah. That was brought to people who fought for justice. Yeah. Brought by people who were. Charlie Kirk had not yet discovered Martin Luther King Jr. Yeah. Yeah, right. They hadn't gone down different rabbit holes and come up with theories.

46:32And so it appealed to these universal values. whereas if you say he's a billionaire and wants to rip people off like that feels that's us against them that's that's that's more partisan and in not in a party sense but in a uh we are um there's just fundamental disagreements here that we're not going to win by persuasion we're going to just have to beat the one percent right we're just like or the one percent is gonna have to beat us. Like this is a fight over something.

47:06Emily Jashinsky:Yeah, that makes sense. And so then as journalists, that feels like you're now engaging in that fight in a way where if you're just upholding universal values, like when the Washington Post says democracy dies in darkness, like they can say that and not feel partisan because of course, we're all for democracy and we're all for transparency and we're all against darkness. Yes. When you say, you know, the one percent are ripping us all off. I don't think your owners love it. Yeah. And the point one percent are ripping the one percent off. Yeah. Yeah. Then that feels you're tank. Now you're tangling.

47:51Emily Jashinsky:Which is also the massive, like unanswered question to the extent that Democrats are able to replicate if they want to win, if they put power above everything else. And that's not all of them. You know, some like some Republicans have genuine ideological values that they want to advance. But if they just want to win, do they replicate the Mamdani campaign in congressional races in the midterms, for example, in gubernatorial races where you learn from him? Imagine if Democrats made affordability the thing that was associated with them. Right. But they're already getting hammered for what they're already Republicans running ads comparing like random Dem candidates.

48:30Emily Jashinsky:I forget who the first one I saw was, but like random Dem candidates to Mom Donnie. I think Glenn Youngkin said it about the Dem gubernatorial nominee in Virginia. Right. Spanberger, right? Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And it's real mom, Donnie. It's it's suicidal on part of Democrats, because the question is, how do you define what he stands for to the national public before you're then linked with him? Right. And so if the national public is like, oh, yeah, mom, Donnie, this guy who like ran to make groceries cheaper in New York, then when Republicans are like Spanburgers, nothing but another mom, Donnie, people are like, oh, cool.

49:06So she's also going to make groceries cheaper in Virginia. But if Republicans are all saying that he's a Sharia law loving jihadist, and then Democrats are also saying that they have deep concerns about his use of the word global jihadist, and then Kirsten Gillibrand apologizes because he never said that, but like that they have all these concerns about him. So all the leading Democrats have still not endorsed him. Hakeem Jeffries, Chuck Schumer, Jell-O brand,

49:40Tom Swozy from Long Island just had an op-ed in the New York Times about how bad he is. And so if Republicans are saying he's really awful and the worst and basically

49:50Emily Jashinsky:a terrorist, and Democrats are saying, leading Democrats are saying, yeah, he's kind of bad. He's not that bad. Republicans are over the top and bigoted in the way they're talking about him. But I do have a lot of concerns about him. Then nationally, if you're a voter, you're like, oh, this guy seems pretty concerning. You have to actually like engage with him or media that covers him honestly to get the accurate impression. And there aren't enough people that do that. Yeah, I mean, this is from a like just a purely cynical perspective. But Republicans are basically able to do this with Nancy Pelosi back in 2010.

50:26Emily Jashinsky:Socialist Nancy Pelosi back in 2010. When they put enough money behind it and enough like – what's the right word for it? Craft into like Carvillian public relations efforts into it. You can – it's one of the scary things about politics and media in general. But you can in a red state pretty easily capitalize on a Mamdani narrative. It doesn't mean that Mamdani is in any way a net drag on the Democratic Party. But I think it will probably work for them in red states, not so much of Virginia. But, yeah, I think if Democrats wanted to, like, avoid this problem, they would say, of course I support Donnie and his call to make groceries cheaper.

51:10Yep. But they just can't do that.

51:12Emily Jashinsky:I don't agree with him on everything, but I sure as hell agree with him making groceries cheaper. So easy. For advice here. I mean, we're always just giving it out. Yeah, we are. Nobody takes it. Yep. We know kids don't hold back. And I wouldn't want them to. Get in there. make a mess, slide for home, bring on the stains. I've got OxyClean Versatile Stain Remover. It works on over 100 stains, and it's America's number one stain fighter additive brand. It's color-safe and chlorine-free, so I use it on whites, colors, and dark fabrics. And OxyClean isn't just for laundry. Mix it with water for use all around the house, kitchens, bathrooms, and even floors.

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53:27Emily Jashinsky:All right, Ryan, let's move on to the Diddy trial. Yes. So Sean Diddy Combs is not walking out of the courthouse a free man. He thought he might for a second. So he was acquitted. We can put this first element up on the screen. He was quitted on the most serious charges, the racketeering charge and the sex trafficking charges. But he did get found guilty on two counts of transporting prostitutes. He was not he did not get hit with any domestic violence charges because they were outside the statute of limitations. Yeah. And so did he collapse to the floor and like praying? Do we have that? Do we have that image of him like praying?

54:08There is. Seat there. Yeah. He thanked the jurors, and then it did seem like he felt like he was about to get out, and the judge said no.

54:16Emily Jashinsky:Yep. Interestingly, cited the domestic violence that was in the case as a reason why she was not giving bail before sentencing, or he, she or he? The judge. The judge? I didn't watch enough of the case. Great question. Which is interesting because clearly he was guilty. It's on video, but he was not tried for it. Right. So it's this gray area where bail and accusations can have an interplay that leads to you being behind bars. But clearly, the jury felt that it was not a conspiracy. Right. And what Diddy had argued, or Diddy's lawyers had argued, is that, yes, there was a plan to have these freak-offs.

55:02Emily Jashinsky:Yep. And they were organized. and in that sense they were as a conspiracy because he would tell hey you do the drugs you do the baby oil yeah you bring the women yeah um and he had i and he had an overarching kind of leverage campaign that he would uh use with women where some would have you'd be getting 10 000 a month in child support others others would have an emotional connection others you know there's different various ways that he got them involved, plus some, you know, according to them, and it seems credible, fear of violence. So all, there are all these pieces, but he made this, they made this kind of loophole argument almost that the other people were not partners in a conspiracy.

55:48Emily Jashinsky:Right. They were just his flunkies who he paid to do work. And that if you could use Rico for this, you could use RICO for anything where you didn't single-handedly carry out every aspect of the crime. Like, you know, if you go and buy a handgun and then commit a crime with it, like, and it was just a business transaction with the gun owner, like, did you conspire with the gun owner? Right. Even if the gun owner knew what you're going to do, that would be, and the point is that would be a different crime. Right. Like that's the underlying crime. Right. But layering conspiracy on top of it doesn't get you there.

56:29That is my guess at trying to get into the jurors' mindset. What did you think of the response?

56:36Emily Jashinsky:Yeah, I mean, I think that's— I mean, what's your response to the jury's response? No, I think that's right. I think the RICO is starting to look like an over-prosecution. Bundling everything into a RICO is starting to look like a real mistake. And you will be shocked to learn that one of the leading prosecutors on this case is Maureen Comey, who's James Comey's daughter. Yeah, just wild stuff. But it looks like a really overconfident prosecution team. To be clear, he could end up with 20 years in prison. So he was denied bail. He has to stay in prison until his sentencing, which is on October 3rd.

57:12Emily Jashinsky:So he's still got a ways to go, but he could still also get 20 years. It's probably unlikely, right? So there's two charges and they're 10 years maximum, right? So if they were served one after the other and both the maximum, then he could get 20 years. Right. But this is when sentencing guidelines come in and you have to kind of set aside who he is and what we know about the case. and pretty sure he's a first-time offender. Does he have any other charges from before? Yeah. Does he? Yeah. What does he have? He was, I mean, he's been involved in so many things. I mean, he's got a bunch of lawsuits.

57:55Emily Jashinsky:Well, there was the, I'm trying to remember whether he got charged for it, but there was the J-Lo. Mac is already screaming. Yeah, Mac, yeah, send this to us, producer Mac. But there was the J-Lo shooting. There was the nightclub fire that people died in that he was implicated in. Right. Did he catch charges on any of that? Right. That's a good question. By the way, he is 55. So if he gets 20 years and serves out 20 years, he'll be an old man before he gets out of prison. Right. And my guess is that he definitely will not. Serve all 20 years. I don't think even close. Even now, there's some indication from the fact that he was denied bail here that the judge is going to go as hard as they feel like they can get away with.

58:37But I'd be very surprised.

58:40Emily Jashinsky:I think he was acquitted of murder in the first. I think there was like a big, if I'm remembering correctly, there was a big case in the nightclub murder situation. This would have been around 2000. and I want to say he was acquitted of that actually. Let's take a listen to Megan Kelly's reaction, followed the case very closely and had some legal experts on when the news came down. We'll go ahead and take a look at this next clip. Combs shook his head vigorously and put his hands together in prayer. Oh, it's all just so chummy inside the courtroom for this disgusting pervert female abuser who I can't believe is about to roam our streets again.

59:21I'm sorry, I'm disgusted by this verdict. This is fucking ridiculous. I just find it absolutely outrageous the amount of crime that this guy just got away with. I believe he committed arson. He definitely battered Cassie. He battered Jane, too. The statute of limitations for battery in Los Angeles, California is one year, one year. So if they didn't charge him for battery within one year and they couldn't because he bought the tape and it remained hidden thanks to those security guards out there, then they could never charge him with that again. There's no question. He dragged her back into that hotel room.

59:55Why wasn't that kidnapping? They only talked about the kidnapping of Capricorn Clark, who was his sort of main assistant, because she said he grabbed her and made her go with him over to Kid Cudi's house. There's no question he broke into Kid Cudi's house, in my view, and that he opened up the Christmas presents and locked the door in and made a threat. There's no question in my mind he was behind the arson of Kid Cudi's car. And there was proof, plenty of proof to prove that. No. OK, there was female fingerprints they found on that. The firebomb that was left there, the Molotov cocktail. And the prosecution said there's no question he didn't do it himself.

1:00:31But he said, I'm going to bomb Kid Cudi's car. It's in writing. Cassie Ventura emailed her mother saying, oh, my God, he's threatening to bomb his car. And two weeks later, it got bombed. Oh, gee. It was just some third party who also had it. It's just like the proof was there. The beatings, the threats that if they didn't go back into those room and get off with these male escorts that they were going to get beaten. The testimony from that Daniel Philip, who was the male escort, who heard Combs abusing Cassie behind the door. And she was screaming, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. As he heard him slapping her.

1:01:05Get back out there. She came back out. She was shaking. She got back into the escort's lap, physically shaking. She was so scared to the point where that guy couldn't perform sexually because this was so horrifying to him. What what in the actual F went on in there?

1:01:20Emily Jashinsky:Yeah. So I feel like that's probably the general public's reaction. It's just baffling. And it seems, Ryan, like the prosecution just I mean, in that clip, at least one of the legal experts goes on to kind of blame the jury. But I would think that the onus for the failure here has to lie with the prosecution. Yeah, sure. I mean, it's very hard to lose a federal case. Like, it's like their conviction rate is absolutely through the roof. And so, yeah, they clearly own the blame for this. You know, we didn't cover this trial a whole bunch, but whenever we did, and I would look into it, I remember, you know, I would think like they're really leaning into the emotional aspect of this.

1:02:04You know, how poorly he treated Cassie and these other women and how just what an absolutely like repulsive lifestyle he was leading, using violence and emotional manipulation to, you know, pull these multi-day freak offs off. and but i remember thinking every time like okay but where where what are the crimes here the cassie one was obvious yes the violence yeah but then that's out of the statute of limitations right the drugs no charge right uh prostitution convicted but like beyond that But like where's the – and trafficking is an interesting like concept and charge.

1:02:53Emily Jashinsky:It's like if you pay someone – if you pay a prostitute to get in a car and then go to a hotel for a freak off, did you traffic them there? Right. Right. And it's like – What does that mean? Yeah. No, I mean that's a really good point. And so I guess partially another thing is it's not that it was – Clearly the jury was like that's not trafficking. That's paying a prostitute. And it's not necessarily easy for the prosecution then to build a case based on all. And I think a lot of it also is him. So he's alleged to have drugged people many, many times. Which would be a crime if they didn't charge that.

1:03:26Emily Jashinsky:Right. And I think because it looks like they were overconfident and started bundling things into the Rico case, thinking that they had him get the rights on racketeering because they could. He clearly conspired to organize these freak offs. But the jury was like, not really illegal. Right. Except that most of the pieces within it are actually illegal. Right, within it, yes. And so, yeah, we were just looking up his criminal history. He has been charged many, many times. He was— He never got charged for the nine people dying. He should have been charged with some type of negligence there. It's a pretty— Everybody probably knows about this case.

1:04:03There was a stampede at an event that he put on. It's like 1992. Where he knew, I've got it here, December 91, where he knew that too many people were there, didn't care. Wanted too many people to be there for the spectacle. Nine people end up dying, doesn't get charged for that. He got convicted, 1996, convicted of criminal mischief for threatening a photographer with a gun. So that's a conviction. That's something that the judge can point to.

1:04:32Emily Jashinsky:That's a pretty easy denial of bail predicate right there. And then in 99, Combs and his bodyguards are charged with attacking. This is PBS I'm reading from. Attacking Interscope Records music executive over a dispute over music video. He was sentenced to an anger management course. Didn't work. But at least that's something on the record that the judge can then point to. December 99, he's arrested on gun possession charges for that nightclub shooting that you mentioned. Yep. Where Jennifer Lopez was in the car. Three people got wounded. A woman still says that Diddy was the one who shot her in the face.

1:05:16Emily Jashinsky:Yeah. Yeah, there are people that say that he was shooting and that he shot her. Yep. He was later charged with offering his driver 50 grand to claim ownership of the 9mm that was found in the car. We know from this trial that him offering to pay people to get out of trouble is something that he does. So that's a quite credible charge there. However, he was then acquitted of all charges. Old Shine took the fall for that. So the judge can point to the arrest, but you're not supposed, if you're arrested and convicted, that's not really supposed to factor into your sentencing. because you're supposed to have been found.

1:06:03Like, innocent is supposed to mean innocent. It doesn't always mean that, but that's what it's supposed to mean. Then he got arrested in 2015. It looks like he got in a fight at a UCLA game where his son was playing football, but the charges were dropped.

1:06:19Emily Jashinsky:This is why 50 Cent referred to him yesterday as the gay John Gotti. Nothing's sticking to him. Teflon diddy. Yeah. It's all that baby oil. Yeah, he's slippery. Yeah, slip right off. And then these charges. It's Scotty-esque. So he has not zero criminal record. He has a very long criminal record, most of it ending with acquittals or misdemeanor stuff. So that's why it's going to be a real stretch for the judge to hit him with the maximum. And even if she does, he'll appeal this. So I expect he'll be walking free in a matter of several years, like 5, 10 max. Unbelievable. Well, on that note, Ryan.

1:07:06And a lot of people took a lot of risks. Coming forward. To come forward. Yeah. And that they are suffering greatly right now. Yeah.

1:07:14Emily Jashinsky:Oh, my gosh. The trial was just awful. It was one of those ones that was just hard to follow because Cassie was testifying about all of this while she was pregnant. It was just a really, really, really dark trial. And I forget, I want to say this was on Hulu. Someone did a fantastic documentary into the sort of influences emotionally on that sort of forged ditty. Like, how did he become who he became? And it is just incredibly sad and dark. So I hope that there's at least some closure for people who suffered from this. And I was saying yesterday, I actually liked doing the show without the laptop here because fewer distractions.

1:07:51On the other hand, when it comes to something I really don't remember, which is like Diddy's criminal record, it's actually helpful.

1:07:59Emily Jashinsky:It's not at the top of your mind. To have it here, yeah. I knew he'd been in and out of trouble, but yeah. So my memory actually served mostly correct. He's basically gotten out of all the jams that he's been in. Yeah, but there's so many of them. I think that's when you look it up, you're just like, holy smokes. It's Gotti-esque. Yes. It is. No Friday show. it's July 4th. We will be independent of our laptops in the morning. Happy Independence Day to everybody. I hope you enjoy the fireworks or a barbecue or whatever you're up to. We'll be back on, somebody will be back on Monday. Yeah, I think Crystal and Sagar are back on Monday.

1:08:35Emily Jashinsky:So, great news. You're getting rid of us. Yeah, we promise they'll be here. Yeah, well, no we don't. Can't make promises. They're going to try very hard. They will be, yeah, well, maybe they'll get caught up in the system like we did. There you go. Alright. Alright, see you guys then.

1:09:06We'll see you next time.

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