7/9/25: Trump Shuts Down Epstein Question, Tucker Blasts Trump On Epstein, MAGA Journo Flips On Trump AG

25:36And it would end up being just this same as it is now. People would believe what they believe and would keep asking questions about it for 20 or 30 years. and but they wouldn't be blaming trump for standing in the way of it even though he would still be kind of standing in the way because he'd be he could selectively hold some important stuff back so that path was available he didn't do that he's trying to actually straight up shut it down while the israeli prime minister is just like what why are you who are you doing this for and why like look again uh you know i think again many of us know the answer to that question and it involves very very high level intelligence what it sounds like when you road trip to the iheart radio music festival in the all-new hyundai palisade hybrid wow this is really nice inside the palisade hybrid has more luxury than ever whoa this sound system is awesome turn it up more tech than ever sweet you got the available built-in dash cam and more range than ever because the Palisade Hybrid gets up to 600 plus miles of range on a full tank.

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27:54This is par for the course for a lot of the U.S. intelligence community, which has long held up and or not prosecuted, cases involving the exploitation of children just to cover up, quote, sources and methods and intelligence. So here's some clips of me talking about this with Tucker Carlson. Let's take a listen. I think this, for a bunch of reasons, it's so obvious. It is salacious. People have followed it for years. The president promised to reveal the truth about this. Pam Bondi, as you said, well, on television, so we have the truth. We're going to give it to you. Yes. I think this is kind of, I think this is a big deal.

28:34It's a really big deal. I hope so. Well, I hope so too, actually. So let's just assess this logically. They're covering up, the DOJ, the current DOJ under Pan Bondi is covering up crimes, very serious crimes by their own description. Why are they doing that? Yeah. So there are really only two potential explanations that I can think of. Maybe you've got another. The first is that Trump is involved, that, you know, Trump is on the list. They've got tape of Trump doing something awful. I don't believe that for two reasons. One, I've talked to Trump about it a lot. And I know him. He's not that, you know, for whatever his sins.

29:10I don't think he's that guy, actually. I don't think he likes creepy sex stuff. That's just my view. But moreover, but more, I think, convincing is that this is all information that the Biden administration had. And if there was evidence that Trump had been involved in illegal sexual activity, you think the people who made up Russiagate wouldn't have leaked it? Right. Come on now. So the only other explanation that I can think of, again, maybe you've got another, is that intel services are at the very center of this story, U.S. and Israeli, and they're being protected. I think that seems like the most plausible.

29:42It was obvious. I have a history of this. There have been multiple documented cases of pedophilia inside of the CIA perpetrated by CIA officers, documented that in many of those – I believe over a dozen cases. This was a BuzzFeed news piece years back where the CIA specifically did not want to prosecute those individuals in federal court for fear that they would reveal sources and methods if they were pulled into open court, and they basically just made it go away. The only time they actually prosecuted somebody for child pornography was whenever he had already being prosecuted for mishandling classified information.

30:15Well, when they want to crush you, they put kiddie porn in your computer. Why don't I have a computer? Don't own one. If you're an important person, you should be careful. No computer in my house. So that's the problem with this Epstein thing. One of the most important things. The problem with the DOJ decision yesterday to cover up the crimes of Epstein, which they are doing, is that it leaves people at the very end of their electoral options. It's like I voted for this guy, and I'll speak for myself. I voted for this guy precisely because I'm really distressed. I want justice. I want honesty.

30:45I think secrecy abets evil. I want someone to focus on my country, like all the basic things. And I think Trump wants all those things, too. But if you – when you allow something like this to happen, people are like, you know what? The system itself is beyond reform. There's no reasonable step I can take to improve this country or my own life. I have to do something crazy. Like you're creating true radicalism when you do stuff like this. And that really gets to what your analysis was there, Ryan. And I was – by the way, if anybody wants to fact check me, it's from BuzzFeed News from 2021. Put BuzzFeed aside.

31:18It's Jason Leopold, who you and I know, Ryan. One of the FISA kings. BuzzFeed News did some serious investigative reporting. Yeah, back in the day. They actually were a powerhouse in their time, at least in some particular areas. But Jason in particular was, you know, he was the guy. He got Pfizer documents. He got declassified intelligence reports. This is all verifiable information about the previous track record that they've used. And it's really the only one that fits. I mean, look, I would say I was probably more willing to agree with Tucker on his first point about Trump until that video that just came out, boy, that we covered, by Trump.

31:50And now I'm like, I don't know, man. Maybe it is something that involves you at this point. Tucker's point that you would think Democrats would have leaked it if they had something damning on Trump is a persuasive one. Then on the other hand, you're like, well, maybe they just didn't want to open that can of worms because what? Right. Who else is in there? Bill Clinton and all of these. I mean, at this point, though, like Clinton is Clinton is out. He's been has been president for over 30 years. Like, you know, it's like for Bill Clinton. Yeah. It's like, well, I'm sorry, 25 years. But, you know, I mean, if we think about it, it's all a little bit preposterous.

32:23I did find it interesting, though, is that both Tucker and I came under attack for in particular for calling out Pam Bondi, Cash Patel and Dan Bongino. Now, I mean, I think actually they should be held to a high. There's only one Trump administration official ever who should be held to the highest standard. Alex Costa, the guy who was the U.S. attorney who let Jeffrey Epstein in a sweetheart deal who also said who said he did it, who said it. Quote, I was told he belonged to intelligence. That's a report by Vicki Ward. It's a report, by the way, that he was asked about when he was Secretary of Labor in a press conference in 2019.

32:55And he said he couldn't comment on that and he wouldn't neither confirm nor deny. He's had six years to correct the record and he's declined not to do so. OK. Yeah. So just putting that out there. But here is the basically the defense of Kash Patel and Dan Bongino. Let's put this up there on the screen. Will Chamberlain. I like Will. I got nothing really hard on the show last week. He was on the show. Here's what he says. Not even an ounce of intellectual humility here. responding to Tucker and I. What if Cash Patel and Don Gino, people we all respected enormously, people Tucker interviewed, are telling the truth?

33:24That doesn't mean Epstein wasn't a spy or that any of the other conspiracy theories aren't true. It just means Cash and Dan do not have any evidence of that. Why would you assume they are lying? They've gotten decades-long records of being straight shooters. Getting to the bottom of serious wrongdoing, quote, they are our guys. Now, what I see in that is a perverse trust that is taken to an extraordinary level. Here's Cash Patel using his previous reputation, right, where he said, if I had this, don't you think I would give it to you? That's what he said to Joe Rogan. So there's a presumption there that he doesn't have it.

33:53And that's part of the reason is that it doesn't exist. The other presumption of why you don't have it is if you'd never go looking for it, Ryan, is if instead somebody comes to tell you and say, hey, you need to make this all go away. All right. You can say that you don't have it because we didn't give it to you, but you know, there's some stuff there and it's, it's troubling. Um, what it's one of the most classic Washington things in the book is I don't want to know. So So that way, if I'm ever asked about it under oath, I don't have to give any real testimony as to that case. And really why it's disgusting from Bondi, from Kash Patel and Dan Bongino is they entered the government as these renegades who, by the way, filthy rich Kash Patel and Dan Bongino off of what?

34:32Off of what? By talking about stuff like this, talking about the deep state and their own expertise. They were trusted and confirmed by the United States Senate and the government, put in faith by the American people to get to the bottom of the very things like this. And so then to not have the competence or to at least come forward and explain exactly how you tried to get to the bottom of this and put out this bullshit letter from the attorney general after claiming otherwise while you were in office on camera in front of the South Lawn, it's just all a little bit too much for me, isn't it, Ryan?

35:03Yeah. One of the things you accuse him of lying about in the interview I noticed was whether or not he killed himself. Yes. And that's a place where I hold out a little bit of space because to me everything about Epstein, all of the conspiracies, his connections to intelligence, his blackmailing, et cetera, all that could be true. And he also could have killed himself because let's say he sees the life that's ahead of him. Right, but if it was only him, why did he kill himself? Yeah. You're looking at a life. You're a billionaire. You could afford the best lawyers in the world. You're looking at a life in protective custody.

35:40I'm not saying it's great life, but it's not horrible. And there's counterarguments like he was participating in his defense actively. Yeah. He was friends with the president. He had reasons to think that it might not be a worst-case scenario for him. On the other hand, there's reasons you could see that he might have done it. So I would be nervous if by putting too much of the eggs in the basket of he was killed, if there did emerge some proof that he actually killed himself. Like let's say, oh, we found the video. Okay, but Ryan, if they had – Then they'd be like, see, none of this other stuff is true either.

36:15Ryan, if they had definitive proof that he killed himself, don't you think they would have released it? Okay, let's look at the body of evidence. Now we have the government here, which has multiple different stories in the cell about how he allegedly hanged himself. Right, we don't have the autopsy. Michael Bodden, the most famous forensic pathologist in the world, says that the autopsy is not consistent, at least what's available in the autopsy, is not consistent with the person who tried to kill themselves. If they had the autopsy, which proved it, then they would release it, okay? I mean, look, they're asking an extraordinary amount of trust here.

36:43So, fine. Go ahead and release the autopsy. Ryan, you and I have been in this game for a long time. You can use FOIA and other public records requests to get out in cases where it's compelling interest to the American public. Yeah, it happens all the time. What are we protecting? Beyond that, Tucker made a great point. None of the other inmates on the cell block, their names have ever been released. They've all been transferred to various different prisons. Their name remain unknown to us to this day. And I can keep going in terms of the whole killed yourself thing. It's just if you're going to ask some extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

37:17And all of this evidence is allegedly that you have. I mean, same, coming back to the so-called lists, flight logs, ever, et cetera. You know, Epstein was a billionaire. Last time I checked, Ryan, billionaires have a lot of paperwork that they have to fire. He's a tax guy. Yeah, he's a tax expert. That's why these billionaires paid him all this money, right? Well, last time I checked, you know, you have to release all that to the IRS, all right? So every year, no matter who you are, you got to file something, all right? And in that something, tell me. Tell me about the LLCs. Tell me about the pastor entities.

37:50Tell me about what was paying for this and that. We already have so much body of information. I talked about this on the Tucker Carlson Show. I probably did. It might have been with you. We talked about this five years ago. The Department of Financial Services in the state of New York fined Deutsche Bank a lot of money for ignoring all of its own policies. And it gave us exact insight into the bank's handling of the Epstein case. The Barclays CEO lost his job, basically, over his previous role working with Epstein in wealth management. All of that is a paper trail. And there's a lot of names that are in the picture.

38:24That's exactly what you could easily put out. You could put it out in a report. You could have subpoena power, which the federal government has. These are serious crimes, by the way, that regulators are supposed to have a compelling interest in because we're talking about money laundering at some of the highest levels. Leon Black was worth$9 billion, head of the Apollo Group. paid him$170 million for tax advice that he later came out and said, actually, his tax advice wasn't even good because it was all in the public domain. Okay. Okay. I mean, yeah. I mean, I always pay people$170 million for publicly available tax advice, right?

38:57Yeah, fine. I mean, this is the level of BS they want you to swallow. And so, you know, these are all things anybody remotely interested in the Epstein case could bring up and could talk about. But Ben Shapiro has another take. He says, I accept. I accept. I accept the word of Kash Patel. The word. I accept his word. Let's take a listen. The DOJ and the FBI, again, run by people like Dan Bongino and Kash Patel and Pam Bondi are telling you. They are. I'm not telling you. They're telling you he was not murdered. He did not keep a client list. And he did not blackmail powerful figures. If you're willing to throw that over and claim they're lying, then I'd like to see you present your evidence that they are, in fact, lying.

39:35Because I know Dan. I don't think that Dan Bongino is lying to me. I know Kash Patel a little bit. I don't think Kash Patel is lying to me. I don't think these people are lying to me. And now is the point at which the facts on the ground have changed. And so either you ought to shift your opinion based on the facts that have now emerged, or you ought to acknowledge that this was never a fact-based inquiry in the first place. I know him, and I don't think he's lying to me. Yeah, I mean, what we know about relationships between powerful people in the government and influential journalists is that they never lie to each other.

40:01Of course, yeah. So if a government official says something to a powerful person in the media, especially if they say it privately, Right. You could take that to the bank. You could take it to the bank. I mean, Ryan, I've never been lied to by people in power. In fact, part of the reason I do this job is to make sure that they would never lie to me, right? If anything, I get lied to more by the people who I know who are in the government. Isn't that interesting? But look, you could take all this for what you will. I don't know. I mean, it's something I said on Tucker's show is the lie is not meant to actually be told to the public.

40:35It really is just a signal to everyone in the Imperium, everybody who's involved in the scheme. we will go to the ends of the earth to protect you. I have no other conclusion that I can draw. There's no reason. It's just like the magic bullet theory. It takes one second for somebody to say, yeah, that's just not what happened. I mean, it's just not. It just didn't happen. But the reason why it stands to this day as an explanation for the Kennedy assassination is that the alternative is just too difficult to contemplate. And the magic bullet theory, it remains that idea that is perpetrated for the single reason of telling everybody involved from the CIA up and down from the Cubans and all, you know, the anti-Castro Cubans, all the group, the mob, whatever, any of the groups that are particularly involved in this, and to just say, don't worry about it.

41:21We will never tell the public the truth. I'm going to Dallas this Friday for the first time. Are you? I'm going to go to Deleuble. It's an okay town. No offense. I just want to see all the stuff. Yeah, I mean, it's a little underwhelming, to be honest. But yeah, everyone should go see it. It's an okay city. Sorry, Dallas. In Dallas. Sorry, Dallas. It's all right. All right, let's get to Liz Wheeler. She's standing by. We're going to talk to her about this influencer event and how she feels duped. What it sounds like when you road trip to the iHeartRadio Music Festival in the all-new Hyundai Palisade Hybrid.

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43:06And OxyClean isn't just for laundry. Mix it with water for use all around the house, kitchens, bathrooms, and even floors. When my kids go all in, I say go for it, because I've got OxyClean to get the stains out. It's not clean unless it's OxyClean. Joining us now is Liz Wheeler. She is host of The Liz Wheeler Show on Blaze TV. Liz and I go way back, but for our purposes, we're here to talk to Liz about the Epstein files, which she herself was involved in. The Epstein files. Exactly. That's an important point here for Liz to join us. Liz, you were unwittingly part of this event, which got a lot of attention.

43:42We can put the photo up here on the screen, shall we, where you were coming out of the White House with some other, I guess, personalities, I guess is the best way to describe it, where you were part of a meeting with the Attorney General Pam Bondi where she handed you this binder known as the Epstein Files Phase 1. Now, it turned out later on that most of that was publicly available information. And Liz, you've since, especially since the letter released by the DOJ, been very critical of Attorney General Pam Bondi. So we wanted to give you a chance as somebody who was basically used by the White House as part of this event to talk about this.

44:18Go ahead. Yeah, I think one of the most important things to establish is that day at the White House in late February, we were not invited there to meet with Pam Bondi. We were not invited there to be given those infamous white Epstein binders. We were actually invited as a really cool initiative on the part of the White House. They invited a bunch of new media personalities, conservative commentators, independent journalists there and told us, listen, we're not going to reward the mainstream media anymore for their propagandizing, their lying, their smearing. We're going to start giving access to independent figures, which means we're going to give you access today to all of the top administration officials.

44:55So we actually spent the day meeting with all the most of the cabinet secretaries and a lot of the most powerful people in the West Wing from the president, the vice president and all of his staff. And it was really cool. Unfortunately, it got hijacked, which from a personal perspective is very annoying and frustrating. Also a political issue for President Trump that hasn't quite been put to bed yet. But when we did meet with Pam Bondi, it was about a 15 minute meeting. The attorney general came in. She talked to us about some of the other initiatives that the DOJ is working on. And then towards the end of the meeting, she hands us these binders.

45:27And of course, the cover sheet of that binder says the most transparent administration in history. It says phase one of the Epstein files. Our first reaction, of course, was, oh, my goodness, what is this? She very quickly clarified that the juicy stuff, the dirty stuff wasn't in these binders. She said, when I got into office, I immediately requested the Epstein files. This is what I was given by the FBI. But I thought 100 pages or however many however many pages that is that can't be all of it she's like and i soon came to realize that after a whistleblower she said called me um and told me the sdny was hiding other documents truckloads of documents the real dirty stuff she told us the real story is that the um fbi is stonewalling me the fbi is lying to me that's the story and she offered that story to us to break now that's where things i don't even think that's where things start to go south one of the things that I revealed this week that I hadn't talked about before is one of the first red flags for me is the attorney general told us during that meeting that she created the cover sheet on that binder.

46:26She was bragging about it. She said, you know, I made this, I put it in here. Look at this. Isn't this beautiful? The most transparent administration in history. And at the time, I'm like, what are you talking about? Especially given the fact that it didn't contain any of the bombshells that people had come to expect from the idea of the Epstein files. Of course, we want this to be solved. We don't we don't want someone who committed the crimes that he committed to get away with it. If there's government cover up, we need that to be exposed. It's why people have this visceral reaction to it. So that never quite sat right with me.

46:56There was, of course, then the botched embargo. The picture that you showed on the screen, I think, is also important to clarify. We were never smiling about the Epstein binders. I know that's what the the accusation on X is. And I clarified this probably five minutes after it happened. We were rushed out of the West Wing. You know, when you go into the West Wing, you put your phone in a secure box. You can't have technology in the West Wing. So we had all of our stuff, our coats. It was the middle of winter. The files, we'd met with President Trump in the Oval Office. So we had some hats and some coins and some pens.

47:25It was really a cool experience. It's the White House, for goodness sake. But the U.K. Prime Minister was set to join President Trump shortly. And our meeting ran long. He arrived early. So we were kind of rushed unceremoniously out the back door of the White House. And we unintentionally ran into a gaggle of mainstream media. on the grass in the back. And you should have seen their faces, Sagar. They were so bitter that we were invited into the White House, that we were given access to these cabinet secretaries. That's what we were smiling about. Yeah, we were taunting them, of course. They were bitter and they deserve to be bitter.

47:55They lied and they propagandized. So we were also giddy because we had just been in the Oval Office. We had just taken a collective vote that President Trump had asked us of which painting he should hang, George Washington or Ronald Reagan. I mean, you can't help but feel a high after an experience like that, notwithstanding the grisly crimes of the Epstein binders. That was just in our arms with the rest of our stuff. Now, I understand the optics of it. And again, it frustrates and annoys me because I think some people even on the right allowed the mainstream media to define this story. They allowed the mainstream media to say, oh, look at these influencers smiling and dancing about these binders.

48:30Like, no, that's not what the story was. We were told we could post this stuff immediately. So we thought, okay, we need to set this record straight. It looks bad if people believe that were smiling about the Epstein binders. So we posted the pictures of them, say, hey, we got access to this and we're going to give it to you. We're not gatekeeping this. But then as soon as we posted that, we were told retroactively that there was an embargo on the real story, which is the SDNY cover up and on the contents of the binders because they didn't want questions during President Trump's press conference with the UK prime minister to be hijacked by questions about Epstein.

49:05Now that, of course, totally screwed us over because then it made it appear that we were engaging in gatekeeping and clickbait and lying. And I cannot even tell you, and I won't because I want to keep this show family friendly, what kind of communications, I don't want to speak for other people, but what kind of communications I was having behind the scenes with the White House at that time. I told them in no uncertain terms, they better lift that embargo stat because what this was doing, not just to me, Sagar, I mean, I'm but a small cog in this story. but to their administration as a whole you watch this unfold it's like watching a train wreck so obviously it took us a little time I was going to respect I chose to respect the White House's embargo even though I thought it was a huge mistake beyond a mistake a severe lapse in judgment but by the time I posted the real story people were already and I understand why angry about having seen those photos so that's February right and I was very transparent very honest about how everything unfolded immediately.

50:02I did a lot of media in the days following, even though some people told me to hunker down, I was like, absolutely not. Like the opposite of hunkering down is going to happen here. I'm going to tell the exact truth about what happened. And I, I don't care who it reflects badly on because I'm just, I pursue the truth. And that's why my audience respects me. So fast forward to this weekend, I've given attorney general Pam Bonney, um, the benefit of the doubt. You want to give people on your side, the benefit of the doubt. I thought, you know what? Let's see if it's true. Let's see if the SDNY actually does have other documents.

50:33That's very believable because we know from sources within the intelligence community, especially the FBI, that there's been destruction of evidence. We know from the highest ranking officials in the FBI that they have tried to, that the deep state swamp creatures in the FBI have tried to hide evidence, even from the director and the deputy director. So it's very believable that that the SDNY would be hiding these documents from Pam Bondi, especially if what we think, what the evidence leads us to believe is true about the Epstein story is true. So I give Pam Bondi the benefit of the doubt, even though she had said, I have the client list.

51:11It is on my desk. Well, then Sunday night happens and we get this memo, this unsigned weird memo. I have no reason to think it's not it's not authentic because the White House and the Department of Justice didn't deny it. I think it's it's a real memo. And it suddenly states unequivocally a definitive pronouncement that there is no client list. There is no blackmail. Epstein killed himself. And that's and you're not getting any other documents. Done deal. Don't ask any questions. Goodbye. And I'm like, what? But so suddenly I'm in a position where I cannot square Pam Bondi's behavior from back in February, bragging about this cover sheet, making the cover sheet.

51:51I asked her directly on that day, have you seen the SDNY documents? And she told me on that day in the White House across the hall from the Oval Office, no, she had not seen those documents. So I'm left in a position thinking I can't square her comments and her behavior that day with this Department of Justice, this Department of Justice announcement. The only explanation that I can reasonably conclude is that she got out over her skis. And that's the most generous term that I can think of. Truthfully, it appears as though she's click thirsty, that she wanted to be a Fox News star, that she wanted to be a mega champion.

52:26And she made promises, made statements over promise and didn't deliver. And if I'm President Trump today, I am thinking very carefully about the amount of political capital that Pam Bondi has cost me. The fact that she has become a liability to the administration because this could all have been put to bed. You and I and other people who are who feel strongly about learning the truth, discovering the truth about Epstein. We would have been like, OK, if the Department of Justice told us, listen, we got in here and the files are empty. We don't know what happened to the stuff. We don't know if it's destroyed or hidden.

53:01We don't have anything. We're just being honest with you. Sure, we would have been disappointed, but we would have been like, OK, that's believable. But to have this, these politicians, these government officials tell us, ignore the evidence before your eyes and instead believe us without evidence. So there's not a politician in the world, no matter how strongly I support that I would extend that level of faith. No, should you? How's your audience responding to this? good question my audience that I would say my regular audience is very much willing to listen we're truth seekers we are natural skeptics so we're used to challenging the status quo I have been in this industry a long time and anybody who has ever watched me knows that I don't engage in hot takes you make a deliberate choice at the beginning of your career right whether you're going to engage in clickbait whether you're going to be deliberately bombastic and hyperbolic in order to get views and become popular.

53:56Like I said, I've been in this business a long time and it's very clear to anybody who is analyzing it, analyzing me in good faith that I don't do that. So my audience has been pretty wonderful. They've been very interested in this story because this is, this is what I told president Trump yesterday. Um, the reason people care about this story is not necessarily because they care about Epstein, the person himself. It's not because they care about Epstein's list itself. It's because of what it represents. We voted for President Trump because we want justice. We want justice for everything. We want justice for Russiagate.

54:28We want justice for censorship. We want justice for January 6th. We want justice for COVID. We want justice for FBI targeting of parents and Catholics and pro-lifers. We want justice for the phony Ukraine impeachment. We want justice for all of these egregious abuses of power, the weaponization of the federal government against us. We've been hurt defending President Trump and the America First agenda that we share with him. We have been hurt and we want justice. Justice does not mean pushing these crimes into the into the past and simply moving forward. Justice means accountability and accountability means identifying the people who committed the crimes, Indicting them, arresting them And putting them on trial And when we see the Department of Justice Again tell us Okay, well this Epstein case Which a lot of people feel is foundational A bad crime was committed Maybe politicians, rich and powerful people were involved And so he was held to a different standard of justice When they see this They feel that this is injustice They feel they are not getting justice Combine that with the fact That Pam Bondi's Department of Justice They've done a lot of good things I support many of the things that she has done.

55:36However, on these really, really pivotal issues, I mentioned a couple of them a second ago, we haven't seen the justice that we voted for. And so it really resonates deeply and viscerally with his base, many of whom are viewers of my show, that this is not the correct course for him. And Liz, you know, I saw you say, we could put this on the screen. You said it's time to fire Pam Bondi. I also saw you react. We played earlier a clip on our show of President Trump shutting down the conversation about Epstein. And you said that this was really an issue that he's getting away from his base on. And so, you know, part of the reason we wanted to have you on the show is you were willing to speak up here about how effectively the administration, like you said, generously got over his skis.

56:19I would say they lied to your face. And so as somebody who was basically used here by the Trump administration in this way, why do you think it's so important to try and hold them accountable after not just what they did to you? Because, you know, you are representing people who voted for Donald Trump in good faith, some some on this very issue. Well, listen, I think the person who is who bears the responsibility here is Attorney General Pam Bondi. And again, I say this somewhat sorrowfully. I am a true friend of the America First agenda, which means that I'm going to tell the truth even when the truth has consequences, even when the truth is unpleasant to hear.

56:53I always say that the truest test of loyalty is whether you're willing to tell the truth when it's uncomfortable. And constructive criticism helps sharpen the effectiveness of the administration. So that's what I'm doing right now, because this is a problem for President Trump. And it's a problem. It's an unforced error. Attorney General Pam Bondi should have been smart enough, should have been sharp enough. If you're the attorney general of the United States, for goodness sake, you should not simply take the word of an anonymous phone call. If the whistleblower was anonymous, anonymous to me, at least you don't just accept the veracity of that and try to create a news story out of it in order to portray yourself as a mega champion.

57:29That means that you are at best incompetent at pursuing power, pursuing fame. That is not the right person for this job. And it didn't have to happen. She didn't have to give us those binders. She didn't have to misrepresent the truth. She didn't have to say she had the files on her desk. She didn't have to put out this Department of Justice memo the way that she did. None of this had to happen the way that it did. And it's hurting President Trump. So, Sagar, there's a story that country singer John Rich tells about having dinner with President Trump and President Trump turning to him and saying, why do people boo at my rallies when I talk about the COVID vaccine?

58:04And President Trump listened when John Rich told him because people have been hurt by that jab. And I think that this is one of those moments. President Trump is so smart. He's so strategic. He's so connected with his base. And this is a moment to listen to why the base cares about this. The base cares about this because we voted for justice and we feel that this is a canary in the coal mine of whether the Department of Justice is going to actually pursue it. Latz's administration, we were told Hillary Clinton, you know, lock her up and it didn't happen. We do not want that to be repeated. And as I said, President Trump seems to be misrepresenting or not listening to his base as well as he does often in this case.

58:48But he's also very good at course correction. So I saw that video yesterday, too, in the cabinet meeting where he snapped at the report and said, why are we still talking about this? And I hope that that's not a rhetorical question for him. I hope he actually turns to someone who cares about this and says, why are people talking about this? Because when he hears the answer, I think that it will make a difference. Just real quick. You said you talked to you told Trump yesterday. Did you mean just publicly or did you talk to him privately? No, I I met on my show. I met in the various media appearances.

59:16I keep private communications private out of respect until until until the point at which, you know, the country deserves to know. OK. All right. Well, Liz, we appreciate you very much for joining us and for giving us some of the background on that story. And we'll see you later. Thanks, Sagar.

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