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24:25Saagar Enjeti:She's selling a book. We will we will sell that book. Crystal, your immediate reaction. We haven't really talked about Kamala almost at all on the show since the election. This is like one of her most public facing appearances. Yeah. What was what's your take on what you just watched? Well, I think what you just said is very revealing. Like as someone who's oh, my God, I've devoted my life to public service. Like, where have you been? There's kind of a lot going on. You know, like you are warning that Trump is a fascist. I agree. And he is behaving as a fascist. And it's been worse than any of us could have imagined.

24:55And you've had nothing to say about that. Like you told us that you were, you know, your heart was breaking over what was happening in Gaza. Where have you been to say even say anything about that? So, like, I mean, she's she's so hollow. She's trying to follow the Obama model of being like a brand. She doesn't have nearly the like charisma or talent to pull that off remotely. And, you know, it's just it's just if she actually thinks she has a shot in a presidential primary, let alone a general election, this is the most delusional person on the planet. But based on what she said there, I think she does.

25:34I think she's been convinced. And, you know, the polls will come out and they'll show her. Yeah. With, you know, leading the Democratic primary, which is very disturbing to me. But we all know the moment that she's actually out there on a debate stage, people will be reminded of why it is that they didn't vote for her back when she ran in 2020 and how she was part of losing in 2024. And I don't lay all of that at her feet because I think there were she came in with a lot of baggage. But she also gets responsibility since she was the one on the ticket and made some really bad decisions, especially down the stretch.

26:05So I what happens with these politicians is they have people around them. Kamala is very much a person who puts herself in a bubble. She's very cautious. You know, she's very sort of brittle in terms of taking criticism. And so she's got people around to her who would profit off of her running for president. So they're pumping her up. Look at this poll. Look, they love you. Look at go on Colbert. See how the audience is cheering for you. They'll you know, they'll be delighted to have you back in. Like, it's just it's it's absurd. Kyle and I have a disagreement on this. He's concerned that Kamala could actually do well in a primary.

26:39I just don't.

26:40Saagar Enjeti:You're saying don't trust the polls because we see her name and maybe it's just name recognition right now. It's just name recognition. Yeah, right. She's I mean, there's just she there's a reason why people rejected her the first time she ran. And and even putting everything before Iowa before Iowa. Yes, that's right. And putting everything aside. You think the Democratic electorate is going to put somebody back up who's a proven loser? Like if there's one thing they're going to be desperate to do, it's going to be to pick someone who could maybe actually win. So I, you know, I don't think there's any way that she would be able to secure the nomination.

27:17I guess you never know. But for me, that's not really a fear.

27:20Saagar Enjeti:I also wanted to point out something that's a connection between that Kamala Harris interview and the Alyssa Slotkin interview on Stephen Colbert and actually even Slotkin coming on Breaking Points and talking to different people. Kamala Harris just said her primary reason for not running for governor of California. I think we can probably all agree it's likely that she does want to run for president again based on that interview. It sounded like campaign-y. But she said it was because she thinks the system is broken. And that sounds like a tested, strategized talking point. And that is about to be a very deeply cynical, I think, a very deeply cynical strategy of the Democratic establishment.

28:04Saagar Enjeti:They have picked up on the mood of the party base when you have the fighting oligarchy tour going into red states, drawing massive crowds of, as Dave Weigel said, normie Dems, not just, you know, sort of Bernie people. But that's the Democratic establishment. And I would just tell people right now, you're about to hear this ad nauseum until 2028. It's how Trump took some voters away from the Democratic Party. And it's obviously very, very easy to say. But it's from people like Kamala Harris and Alyssa Slotkin. They know that's the mood of the country. That was their first step. They didn't understand it.

28:42Saagar Enjeti:They didn't acknowledge it. First step is admitting you had a problem. They've been failing that for a decade now, and they're about to adopt a deeply cynical strategy of using that to try and, I guess, sway people back to these moderate candidates. Yeah. Well, and because Griffin, it's like, oh, the system's broken or the institutions weren't strong enough. It's like, lady, you were vice president. So, you know, that's the thing. That's what annoys me maybe more than anything is when they act like they are powerless or were powerless. Jeez, I wish someone with some power had bolstered our institutions.

29:17That seemed like a good thing to do while you were literally vice president of the United States for four years.

29:22Saagar Enjeti:yeah i mean it was such a botched explanation too she was like well i i worked in the system but now i don't want to be in the system because the system is broken like she's like i argue with my mom and dad about being a car like it was just it was kind of all over the place and it reminded me because we haven't watched her in so long like every time mama gets asked a question it's like she had never expected the question before like she's like totally improv 101 like just trying to figure it out. It's like, this is the most basic question you're going to get asked. Why aren't you running for governor?

29:55Saagar Enjeti:And what are you doing right now? And it takes her four minutes of word vomit to just kind of like, just give the most like unconstructed anti-establishment, you know, we're going outside the establishment of all time. And so it's like, but yeah, they can say that to Emily, if they're going to run on that 2026, 2028, but what's it going to be like just a 5 % tax credit if you're a local business who's been in college and just graduated grad school for POC businesses? Like, is that the anti-establishment thing? Like, there's going to be nothing else outside of like these kind of just airy garbled statements.

30:31Saagar Enjeti:No, it's going to be, it's going to be more like, oh, let's edit our videos like Zoran does. That's what it's going to be. It's completely stylistic. Yeah. Yeah. Did you guys see this, this like abundance centrist guy who's running with Reid Hoffman money in New York City against Jerry Nadler. And he's doing like the Zoran like cuts and like even sort of stylistically like his font looks a little Zorani. And then his politics are just like the literal polar opposite. And he's challenging Jerry Nadler from the right. And his whole pitch is just like, I'm young and I've got cool videos. You like me, right?

31:07I'm like the next Zoran. It's so cynical and everyone sees immediately through it. it's the same thing with the Pete clip that we, Emily, you and I covered where he's like, I think the key to Zoran wasn't really about his ideology. It was, you know,

31:21Saagar Enjeti:it was about premier pro using editing the right way. I mean, that's, and I, that's part of why slot can came on breaking points. Like to bring it back to that is because that's the sort of lessons they took is just like, we need to go on podcasts. We need to edit videos differently. Like we need to smile more, like just the most surface level stuff. And it's like, no, people like this guy because they see that he actually stands for something and exactly in particular one thing he stands for is like uh adamantly opposing a genocide even as everyone is like smearing him as being an anti-semite for doing that so um yeah they i mean they just they want to take all of the the visual grammar of an anti-establishment and maybe some of the like surface level rhetoric and then offer to your point griffin like tax credits for people who make less than$25 ,000 in certain disadvantaged neighborhoods.

32:13Saagar Enjeti:Zoran's got free buses. Kamala's got fire buses with a monthly subscription service. Yeah. This kind of leads to what she's selling here, which is her new book, 107 Days. Who wants to read this? Who is this for? and for people just listening on a podcast so the cover it says uh 107 days it looks a lot kind of like an airport book i mean i don't this kind of just like struck me before we played the video but yeah like after two years of israel palestine looking at the numbers 10 7 on a book like just kind of like threw me off i i didn't even pick up on that i don't know that's just that's just what I saw right off the gate here, but let's hear what she has to say about the book.

33:01A year ago, I launched my campaign for president of the United States.

33:05Saagar Enjeti:107 days, traveling the country, fighting for our future. The shortest presidential campaign in modern history. It was intense, high stakes, and deeply personal for me and for so many of you. Since leaving office, I've spent a lot of time reflecting on those days, talking with my team, my family, my friends, and pulling my thoughts together. In essence, writing a journal that is this book, 107 Days. With candor and reflection, I've written a behind-the-scenes account of that journey. I believe there's value in sharing what I saw, what I learned, and what I know it will take to move forward. All right.

33:53Saagar Enjeti:So that's basically it. And this comes in the context of that Jake Tapper book about Biden's decline. That was like a huge bestseller. Do we think that there's going to even be a page on that in this book? Because that would be the only thing to kickstart Kamala for 2028 is to completely throw Biden under the bus. And honestly, that was the only moment where she popped in the primaries when she threw Biden under the bus on busing. So is any of that going to be in this book? Is there even going to be a page? What's your prediction? No, no. I mean, even OK, she may make some vague allusion to it.

34:37But that's the reason I say, who is this book for? Because it's not like you could think that this woman is going to actually tell you the truth. She's going to give you her like propagandized version of what happened. And so if you're a Republican, you're certainly not interested in that. If you're a Democrat, I don't think any Democrats really want to relive that election and what happened and, you know, the ultimate loss. Plus, it's just not going to be honest. So, no, I mean, it's just an excuse for her to travel the country and do her book tour and, you know, imagine that she could be president of the United States.

35:13Saagar Enjeti:Yes, some soft image rehab before anything happens in the cycle. I mean, that's what publicists tell you to do. And so who's this book for? Probably the publisher who will make money when she goes and gives paid speeches where they buy the book. And it's an excuse then to also go on a speaking tour and a media tour. And I'm sure she got a decent advance for it. So that's I'm sure that's what it's about. Now, I would be surprised if there wasn't, to Crystal's point, some vague allusion to Biden's issues in the book, just because even again, from the cynical perspective, it's so obvious that people are mad about it and curious about it and all of that.

35:51Saagar Enjeti:So but I don't think it goes beyond something that's like typical Kamala Harris canned, predictable, and you learn basically nothing. It's the opposite of the candor that she's promising in that clip. I've never seen Kamala Harris be candid once in my life. You know what? I have Emily. Talking about food. That's what I was going to say. Yeah. She loves cooking. That's where I see her like authentically in her joy, like doing the thing. And she's in her element. I'm like, just go like start a cooking YouTube. Like go do that. Crystal tells the first female vice president to go back to the kitchen.

36:26Literally.

36:27Saagar Enjeti:That's the clip. That's the headline. Listen, it's part of Vibe Shift, part of my new, you know, part of being anti-woke. I have to make up for my take on Sydney Sweeney earlier this week. So that's what I'm here for. That's amazing. Honda ice cream has turned to soup. I think the fridge is finally dead. Hopping on grandappliance.com. Great idea. They were awesome with the Samsung Ranger microwave we bought last year. Oh, they have matching Samsung in stock and next day delivery. Let me see. Oh yeah, that looks perfect. I hope we get the same delivery crew. Those guys were awesome. Agree. Total pros.

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38:27Saagar Enjeti:She's a Brooklyn-based urogynecologist, so sorry to bumble that one, and executive director for International Medical Response. She recently returned home from volunteering at Nasir Hospital in Gaza, where she was stationed for approximately three and a half weeks. Doctor, welcome to the show. Thank you. It's great to be here. Yeah, of course. So thank you not only for being with us, thank you for the work that you were doing in Gaza. We actually just talked to a whistleblower who's a former Green Beret who was working at one of these, quote unquote, aid distribution sites. And he was actually telling us how a lot of the people who are being massacred, then they would be brought to Nassar Hospital where you were working.

39:08So I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about what you saw, what type of injuries were coming in. Sure. We were, I think, one of the closest hospitals in southern Gaza to the major GHF site that was in the south. So we it was almost like clockwork. The mass casualty events that would come in through the ER at at any point during every single day. once the GHF site would open up a few hours later, there would just be hundreds of people brought in with gunshot wounds. And it would range anywhere from kids to, you know, adults and older people. It would be mostly men and boys because these were the, you know, people who could go and if possibly get food, walk back the many, many kilometers with, you know, 25 pound bag of flour.

40:13But you could tell immediately that people were coming from the GHF site because the ER would just be full beyond capacity. And when I say ER capacity. It's not like beds. It's floor space, any space available because it was well over the number of beds. Just any floor space available, families would bring their loved ones or rescue workers or whoever happened to be there. And it would be on donkey carts. It would be in ambulances. It would be on blankets held between two other people just to get somebody into the ER. So it was pretty remarkable.

40:58Saagar Enjeti:Can you also talk to us about treating malnutrition or what you saw people coming in with famine conditions, starvation? How much of that did you see as well? So I just wanted to, first of all, just point out that I went with an organization called Beit Amal, which is a US-based organization out of Texas. Very few organizations are given permission by the Israelis to actually enter Gaza. And I think a remarkable number of people are rejected with no reason given. So that was just one thing I wanted to clear up. The other one was that I spent most of my mornings and days in the maternity hospital.

41:37So I had, and not many volunteers are let in to go work as OBGYNs and urogynecologists, because obviously trauma, orthopedics, burns are more needed. But I felt really privileged to be able to work in the maternity hospital with amazing colleagues and also help take care of pregnant women, but also women who came in with gynecologic conditions. And everybody who came in showed some form of malnutrition. And I mean, from the patients that came in that were pregnant, from our gynecologic patients that came in with chronic conditions that hadn't been treated for years to the babies that were born to women who were malnourished came out obviously much smaller than expected.

42:24And also the healthcare workers, like my colleagues, my OBGYN colleagues, the nurses and all the staff, anesthesia, would show pictures from before times, before the siege of what they looked like. and you could tell immediately that there was a massive amount of weight loss and also just that you could see bones that in normal, you know, healthy individuals we don't see. So the malnutrition and the effect of the acute blockade, which started in March, where Israel did not let any food in or supplies to a more chronic condition over even before October 2023 there was always limited amount of aid that would come in for about 20 years so you're seeing sort of this this siege which is the last few months now on top of chronic malnourishment and this is what we saw and and I think the pictures that people are seeing now which we saw in person And again, I can just speak to my experience was, you know, it was just it was very remarkable.

43:38It was very remarkable. How long were you in Gaza, doctor? I was there just short of four months. I was supposed to leave. I'm sorry, for four weeks. I was supposed to leave at the three week mark. And we because of safety concerns, actually, our exit was was canceled, which was a little concerning. Yeah, I would. I'm sure it was. I know you're not here to complain about your own discomfort, but I'm curious, you know, what about were you able to to eat, have sufficient meals, nutrition? Because we also are seeing reports of medical workers who are fainting and collapsing and dizzy, making rounds and trying to treat patients.

44:17Saagar Enjeti:And I would just add your own safety. Did you feel as though, you know, somebody was treating people, you were safe? um well okay let me answer the first question as as volunteer doctors who are there for a very limited time um we were allowed and actually told to bring in food if we wanted to for ourselves but nothing more because at the border everything was scrutinized and looked at and if it looked like you were bringing in i'm sure you've heard stories of baby formula that was taken away extra baby formula. That was not allowed. So people who, like in my situation, we were taken care of because we brought in our own food for the time needed.

45:04But what we did see was all our colleagues and the staff in the hospital, including patients, got maybe one meal a day. And right before I left, about a week before I left, World Central Kitchen, which was supplying a lot of the hospitals, ran out of food. So that one meal would also be like just a small bowl of rice, you know, with maybe some lentils in it or some combination of that. And then that would be it. And then physicians and nurses, again, there was there's no really great supply of clean water. So people are dehydrated. And absolutely, we would need to put in IVs to hydrate people so that they could continue doing the work of taking care of others.

45:49But everybody did speak about how hungry they were and how hard it was to find food. That was a daily conversation that was happening.

45:58Saagar Enjeti:I wanted to ask you about what you said about, you know, 100 people a day coming in shot, coming in from these GHF aid sites. Now, like 100 people coming in shot to a hospital in America would overwhelm it with their modern resources, with all the doctors being fully fed. What does that look like for a hospital? Like what is a hundred people coming in shot? How many are you even able to treat or save in those moments? And then kind of a part two of my question is, you know, we had a recent whistleblower who worked at the GHF aid sites on, what is your impression of the GHF and their aid delivery?

46:40um so one the impression i can make from what i saw and talking to my surgical colleagues who i would join after maternity in the afternoon i would go to the general ors um and help where i could and again we all lived collectively so um conversations were constantly going on about what came in through the er um what the pattern was that we saw from the ghf um and there was a clear pattern of, you know, shooting that looked like it was target practice. I mean, this, we, they have documented in the ERs and the ORs when they wrote their notes that one day it would be, you know, torsos, one other day it would be legs.

47:25Another time there was a string of, you know, genital shots that would come in through the ER. And I think that to try to feed 2 million people that are starving with a few centralized sites and with a system that I can only describe as target practice or some sort of, you know, squid games, hunger games type of situation is not a good system. It's a dehumanizing system. It's a system meant to humiliate people who are starving. That's what I can tell you. We were obviously not allowed near close to the sites. We couldn't even really leave the hospital compound because the area outside was a red zone.

48:16Speaking about safety, and again, we are limited in, we knew that we would be there for an X amount of time and hopefully be able to leave. But I I really think that we need to consider the people who are living this every single day for now 20, 21 months. This is the daily life of somebody who is unable to leave because it's also true that there is no safe place in Gaza. regularly in addition to GHS injuries that would come in we would always have a steady stream of people men women children babies who were suffering burns injuries and shrapnel from the bombs that were constantly going off and bullets from quadcopters that were constantly targeting civilians So this is the reality.

49:15It wasn't just GHF site injuries coming in. It was a constant flow of other types of injuries from bombs. What does Gaza look like at this point? I had a limited view because of where I was, but it looks utterly decimated. And I can, I can, we can all see pictures of what Gaza used to look like. It's available on the internet and it's, you cannot believe that the, the Gaza I saw and my colleagues saw was the Gaza of the videos from before. It looks utterly decimated. It looks like a wasteland. Almost all the buildings have been bombed, collapsed. And then in the middle of that, in these areas where civilians are supposed to live, are just tents after tents after tents, like kilometers and kilometers and kilometers of tent cities everywhere.

50:19and these go basically up until the shore of the ocean of the sea up until the sea and this is where people have been dislocated to after being told you know multiple times three four or five times throughout this genocide that they have to move pack up their kids pack up everything take what you can and quickly, very quickly leave and go to another tent site. And so that's what I could tell you it looks like now. There was a balcony off of our accommodations in the hospital because we all lived in the hospital for our entire stay. It was a balcony and it looked south towards Rafa. And I really think about the time when all eyes were on Rafa at the end of last year.

51:09And I will tell you Rafa is flattened because you could see Rafa and because it's flattened, you could see the Rafa crossing from the balcony and the Rafa crossing right beyond that is where all the aid trucks were being blocked from coming in. So this is, this is what you could see. You could also see in my four weeks there, the site even to the Mediterranean Sea or was also visible as more and more buildings were just collapsed while I was there. Because again, the Nasser Hospital was in a red zone. And there was a time where we were really worried about security once we had just gotten there.

51:51A few days afterwards, where the hospital was under siege, there were tanks in the street right outside. There was a real fear in the hospital because the year prior, Nasser actually was invaded by the Israeli military. and people were, you know, fled. Some people, healthcare workers and doctors were kidnapped and some of whom still are being held. And we don't know exactly where. There's a graveyard right on the grounds of Nassar. Nassar, they call it the graveyard where bulldozers had come through. And there was a tent city there that was supposed to be a safe zone. And it was actually just bulldozed over by the Israeli military.

52:39And people found IV poles, people still attached to IV poles. Because you have to remember, especially in a hospital setting, you have people who have severe burns and bandaged amputations. They're in wheelchairs. They're weak. They're malnourished. They're starved. They cannot just evacuate. Right. So that just became a very huge graveyard, which is now.

53:04Saagar Enjeti:I wanted to ask specifically about the starvation. You know, there's been a lot of debates in American media about the starvation. What we know is that a lot of people are entering stage five of malnutrition. And I was wondering if you could explain to our audience not only what your view is on the from what you've seen in your experience, the extent of the starvation in Gaza, but also what it takes medically to save people that are at that level of malnutrition? Like what would it actually take to medically save people at that point? So what I saw personally and what my colleagues were reporting is that there is, you know, a huge amount of malnourishment and starvation.

53:49And this is what we saw in our patients, all of our pregnant patients, the babies being born, like I said. and stage five there is a point that you reach in starvation where you have to be very careful then about reintroducing food so it's not just that you can start feeding people immediately at this point in starvation because there's such an imbalance in electrolytes and nourishment that it has to be done in a very careful way so it's not just that you're letting in you know more beans and lentils and flour, you need to be letting in the proper nutrition, you need to be letting in, you know, magnesium and phosphate and all these, you know, electrolytes that have to be in the appropriate balance.

54:38Otherwise, the body system will actually, you know, you'll end up in a coma. And this feeding, if it's not done properly, people will die from actually the feeding. So that's a huge concern. It's not just, you know, letting in food aid, it's, it's letting in nutritional balance and the right, the right amount of balance. So people don't die from, from being fed. Dr. The, the last question I had for you is, let's say that they open the floodgates for food and nutrition and medicine and everything that the population needs at this point, you know, what, what will be the lifelong, what will be the lifelong consequences of, you know, those babies who were born suffering from malnutrition, these young children whose little bodies and brains are trying to grow and don't have nearly the caloric resources and nutrition to be able to do so, you know, even if you completely open the floodgates now, what, what does the fallout look like?

55:39Right. So I think that's such an important question. And thank you for bringing that up. I believe that there are many babies that were conceived and born at the beginning of, you know, from October 2023. And already, again, with those that are now one years old or even more, they're going to have long term effects from malnutrition. Just imagine the, you know, the stunting, the mental growth, psychological trauma is going to be huge. And I'm not sure people are going to be ready to, but we have to be ready to be able to confront that and deal with that also, the mental trauma that everybody, all populations are going to be suffering with.

56:28But also the starvation. I mean, we talk about when we take our kids to the pediatricians, they're looking for, you know, these very specific, you know, growth milestones, right? And how worried they are about meeting these milestones. And nutritionally, everybody's got their growth weight. You know, if you have kids, you know, you're always looking at the growth chart and making sure our kids are on that growth chart. But what it means when you don't hit those milestones are going to be long-term effects to brain development, to physical development. And also the psychological trauma, and in particular kids but adults too.

57:05You know, we can't forget about that. And I think it's going to be a very profound, profound impact that this siege, starvation, and just the trauma of the bombings and the genocide is going to have on the population. Yeah. Yeah. Well, doctor, um, thank you so much again for spending some time with us and sharing, you know, your, your testimony about what you witnessed. I think it is comes at just such an absolutely critical moment and we're incredibly grateful to you for that. Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it. It's our pleasure.

57:41Saagar Enjeti:Thank you, doctor. Um, all right. Well, that was a Dr. Salimi. Uh, we're all very grateful for her coming on the show and for doctors like her who are risking their safety to go work over in what seems like hell on earth, to be honest. Yeah. I have to say people like her give me hope for humanity. I mean, the barbarism that we see unchecked on a daily basis makes me feel pretty dark about us as like a species sometimes. But then on the flip side of it, you see absolute angels like that woman who, you know, gave up a month of her life to go and be in a war zone in the worst conditions you can imagine at great physical and personal risk.

58:28Um, and, uh, you know, it's, it's an extraordinary thing.

58:33Saagar Enjeti:I also feel that way about Aguilar who we had on the show this week. Absolutely. That gave me hope. Cause it's like, you know, you think about, you know, these military guys, these army guys, but like, you know, he never shot his gun the entire time he was there he led with you know bravery and courage and uh he's put a target on his back for what he has said on our show and on other shows and he's just doing it because it's the right thing to do um so yeah i i've definitely seen examples of that give me hope right now yeah um i like we should mention whitkoff is actually in gaza or was in gaza for this like little propaganda stunt where they, oh, look, everything's going great.

59:16We're not shooting at people. Don't worry. We're not massacring Palestinians on a literal daily basis for no reason at all. And luring them into what, um, you know, Tony Aguilar called intentional death traps. So, um, you know, the, just, I don't even know what you, what you say about it at this point. It's so, it's so dark and feels so, um, you know, like there's no end in sight really.

59:41Saagar Enjeti:I think it's also worth noting that Trump, this was a story that broke yesterday. Trump in the Times of Israel was quoted as having told a donor. It's a total anonymously sourced story, but telling a donor that the MAGA base was turning against Israel, which is quite interesting. And then I'll share this. Trump was taking questions from reporters yesterday. And he ended up saying right here. Sorry, I'm sharing my screen. He ended up saying, well, OK, he ended up saying this is really meta. i'm stopping i'm just gonna read the quote uh he ended up saying it was asked if he agrees with marjorie taylor green that there's a genocide in gaza gaza trump said quote oh it's terrible what's occurring there yeah it's a terrible thing people are very hungry uh and then he said part of the problem is hamas taking the money and food so that's where trump is uh but it reminds me even the israelis say that's not true i mean that was the new york times report they had israeli military officials would say that's just not true.

1:00:54I mean, we all know, like we all know that's a total and complete lie. We just heard the doctor say, look, all the aid is lined up there at the border. They just won't let it through, you know? And that's the other thing that pisses me off about the pretext of the Whitcoff visit. Is he supposed to be there to like study a plan for what we could do? It's like, you don't need to study a plan. The UN knows how to operate. Just let them operate and, you know, call off the Israelis so that they're not shooting at aid workers and are allowing them in from from multiple crossings, by the way, too, because that's an issue.

1:01:24If you just let in a few trucks through one crossing. Oh, yeah. Guess what? A starving population is going to mob those trucks immediately and grab whatever they can. Survival of the fittest style. Yeah.

1:01:37Saagar Enjeti:There's like four aid sites when there needs to be like 40 at least. No, 400. That's what the that's what the U.N. was operating was 400 aid sites. They had kitchens and bakeries throughout the entire Gaza Strip. And so, you know, the idea that you can, I mean, the intention of GHF was never to feed the population. That was never the intention. The intention of GHF is to weaponize military aid, to use it to create further displacement and misery, all wrapped in this sort of like PR of, oh, look at us giving a bag of lentils to this starving child. I was just going to say, the Trump comments remind me sort of similar to what we're seeing from Slotkin and the Mallory McMorrow position that you mentioned, Crystal, which is this recognition that even among Republicans, there is horror at what's happened over the course of particularly the last month.

1:02:34Saagar Enjeti:And that's frustrating to people who have been watching it for longer. But I think what we're seeing is that trickle into the political calculations in a way that it hasn't before. so it's becoming it really is becoming Trump has now Christians who are very supportive of him we covered Michael Knowles a couple of weeks ago saying you're losing me and that was after the Catholic Church was hit I listened to Eric Prince on Bannon's show recently saying he thinks that it was intentionally targeted the cross on top of the church he thought was intentionally targeted and when you're losing Eric Prince you have problems that's pretty bad should we go ahead and transition to the premium show guys And we can talk about the jobs numbers, the tariffs and the playlists list, importantly.

1:03:17Saagar Enjeti:Yes, of course. Before we do, just a note, Michael Tracy over at mtracy.net wrote a piece rebutting what he took issue with from Nick Bryant, who Crystal and I interviewed on Wednesday, a guy who originally broke the Epstein Black Book story. And Tracy has all kinds of, this is over at his subsect, Tracy has all kinds of criticisms of what Bryant said, but he particularly criticized, I actually think rightfully, a number that Bryant listed for human trafficking. and that's by the way I will just say as an evangelical there's a lot of bad human trafficking stats that bounce around the religious world because you know it's there are a lot of NGOs that work in that space and there are a lot of people who are genuinely concerned but I you know these stats are so easy for groups to...

1:04:11Saagar Enjeti:Are you saying that there's an undercount or an overcount? There are a lot of stats that Not overcount. Overcount, gotcha. Yes. So here's, I'm just going to read a bit from Tracy. He says, well, he's quoting a study that Bryant referred to, or he thinks refers to. So he says, this is what the study says. It is estimated that between 15 ,000 to 50 ,000 women and children are forced into sexual slavery in the U.S. every year, and the total number varies wildly, as it is very difficult to research. One study from the DHS estimated the number between 240 and 325 ,000. Now, I looked into that. Elizabeth Nolan Brown over at Reason has always, for at least the last decade, has done a lot of work going through those numbers.

1:04:59Saagar Enjeti:And so it's just worth noting. You can take a look at her work. I went to the Department of Transportation. Their estimate, they say in 2023, the National Human Trafficking Hotline received a total of 30 ,000 substantive signals nationwide and received reports of 9 ,600, basically potential human trafficking cases, referencing 17 ,000 potential victims. So these numbers are sadly a political football. But Tracy wrote like a thousand word probably rebuttal to Nick Bryant that people can check out if they want. All right. Thanks for flagging that. And for those of you who want to hear about the jobs report, the tariffs and also J.D.

1:05:41Vance's eyebrow raising Spotify playlist, along with who else do we have? Mike Johnson. There's one other. Oh, we have Pam Bondi. And I think Bondi's might be the worst. I got to take another look. There were some. Yeah, there were some questionable choices all the way around. But in any case, if you want to see all of that, go to breaking points dot com. Thank you guys so much for supporting us. You know, obviously it's been a very, very big week, very consequential week. And, you know, we're grateful for the opportunity to be able to do those things. So head over to breakingpoints.com if you can to support us.

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